#[Experimental] Epoch minmax (4/8 crafted)
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Crafted Epoch - (Frenzy, Grapple) (Mid Dura)
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=5#8_CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g910KF0PW0Qz0JfCR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c910uH0uz1a1R-Y-Y1B1g1000361000361000361000361001Z60z0z0+0+0+0+0-zV5lchrwC
WynnBuilder build:
CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g91
Twilight-Gilded Cloak
Leictreach Makani
Warchief
Breezehands
CR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91
CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c91
Recalcitrance
Epoch [e6e6e6]
Hotbar:
- Epoch (e6e6e6), Epoch (t6t6t6)
- Gale's Force (t6t6t6)
- Epoch (w6t6w6) , Epoch (f6t6f6)
- Health Potion
- Sigil of Terror
- Skaxis , 32 str and 32 dex crafted bow
Extra accessories for swap outs
- 36% melee damage ring (Low Dura)
Low Dura Melee Ring
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter/#19i9k9H9x9i9k9W91
Ring Lv. 100-103 (3✫, 3✫)
[ Naval Stone | Obelisk Core
Eye of The Beast | Old Treasure֎
Naval Stone | Obelisk Core ]
Crafted Bow (32 Str, 32 Dex)
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter/#1A-9uA-9uA-A-9P91
Bow Lv. 100-103 (3✫, 3✫)
[Strange Trinket | Pride of the Heights
Strange Trinket | Pride of the Heights
Strange Trinket | Strange Trinket ]
Usage for everything
-
Epoch (e6e6e6)
Main bow, damage, boss damage -
Epoch (t6t6t6)
Second bow, damage, clearing rooms -
Gale's Force
Speed bow -
Epoch (w6t6w6), (f6t6f6
Charge up curse/courage in third room and use it in boss fight, after using curse/courage, swap back to Epoch (e6e6e6) -
Sigil of Terror
After using powder special, you may use Sigil of Terror to get the 45% Melee Damage boost and Max Rage -
Skaxis / Crafted Bow
More Consistent berry room because higher crit chance and more damage from strength buff
Buff Selection In TNA
First room
- Hopeless 1
- Fading 1
- Sojourner 1
Conditions:
If you get Fading 1 in the first room, swap out your binding brace with the crafted bracelet
Second room
- Hopeless 2
- Fading 2
- Sojourner 2
Conditions:
If you get Hopeless 2 in this room, replace breezehand with crafted ring
Third room
- Hopeless 3
- Fading 3
- Sojourner 3
Conditions:
If you get Hopeless 3 in this room and in the first room you didn't get Fading 1 then switch out binding brace for crafted bracelet
_ _
Additional minmax
Using Crafted Bow doesnt give you 150/150 for strength and dexterity however its the least tedious
You may use 2 of this ring with Skaxis to get 148/150
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter/#17u7u7u7u7u7u9W91
Ring Lv. 100-103 (3✫, 3✫)
[Ruins Shard | Ruins Shard
Ruins Shard | Ruins Shard
Ruins Shard | Ruins Shard]
Knucklebones Cancelstack
(by TrainerEevee)
This helmet can be swapped for the other helmets if you do get Hopeless 3 or Fading 1 (This must be paired with knucklebones)
I'd recommend using this for Greg only
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter/#1739e736b9T6c9g91
Helmet Lv. 103-105 (3✫, 3✫)
[ Ironwood Chips | Mahogany Heartwood
Ironwood Chips | Enhanced Pathfinding Microchip
Incremental Mapping Module | Enhanced Potential Microchip ]
actual insanity
me when i have to buy two epochs
3
one more to go!
!!
@regal stirrup epoch main pop off
bring air powder for your local shadestepper
guardian angels also allow you to stack frenzy easier inside tree and in greg when you need more walk speed!!! (when taking insid 3)
also if you stack high enough dodge dmg bonus when using non-rage epoch, swap to t6t6a6/a6w6w6/a6f6f6 right after the last powder special procs to increase dps
this build doesnt use dodge
by removing nephilim e6e6e6 epoch is better (well it has always been better but now its even better)
earth epoch bald smh
also if you use earth epoch you would still wanna use a thunder one outside of boss
knucklebone is detrimental
no
chain is always better outside of boss
you are more smelly
chain is good for stage 3 void matter room
either way the optimal way to play epoch is to have 8 epochs
so true wise
if there was another 992 damage or 1000 damage epoch i will consider t6t6t6 epoch
but i think 4 epoch is too much swapping
might accidently drop it
i dropped a melee ring on accident 2 days ago
so now i always open my compass when i swap
i mean if people literally have 20 items while doing dung in skyblock
surely you can handle like 10 bows in inventory
aware
i'll add it in the minmax i guess
I dont think people can even get a 2nd epoch in the first place 😭
2 epochs is the bare minimum to optimally play epoch
also guardian angels is better than normal arrow shield if you wanna truly minmax this
but its probably not worth most of the time
I HATE GUARDIAN ANGELS
I WANT TO WALK INTO ENEMIES MINDLESSLY AND NOT HAVE THE CONSEQUENCE
I LOVE GUARDIAN ANGELS
JUMP OFF
should i ping the other epoch mains
from the looks of it they dont even have a second epoch
i dont think they will like this
we are the only people who unironically minmax this shit smh
fr
WHAT IS THIS
@astral sluice i went on tna pfinder today for the first time in 2 months
this game is literally not fun
/guild rewards
i’m not gonna claim them now just to spite you
it has a mythic
u mean 5 le
Wait whats up whats happening here
light room speedrun
i’m not playing bye
come back when fruma comes
for sure
ill see you in the snavig waterfall boss fight
truth
updated low dura helmet
now it's better and can bracelet swap
more durability and slightly less dmg (-2%)
Epoch minmax (4/8 crafted) No Knucklebones
Added an alternative helmet under additional
i used sigil of terror for this one
so dmg is a bit more
my helmet is 8% dmg away from max
Also uh greg has thunder and air defense sooo earth becomes even more effective
cope and seeth thunder epoch users
🤬
watwr powder!
@fast echo
@stone cairn
@fast echo can i buy you
ask @pastel blaze
Epoch minmax (4/8 crafted) (KBones Swap included)
NOOOOO
its additional
Epoch minmax (4/8 crafted)
which im planning to use
now that i see the true power
rage epoch
ironwood chips moment
@marsh trail
ty
Updated the build
now it uses a walkspeed bracelet with some walkspeed, from testing this build i find it to be annoying that it has a lot lower walkspeed than the normal epoch build, this swap from binding brace to walkspeed bracelet only has a 1.5k dps difference while also giving you better scaling because you are not relying on dexterity for damage
but I think the 1.5k DPS is not really "gone" because now you get to get 10% melee dmg that affects your quake
so realistically speaking you didn't lose any DPS and you gained better scaling and walkspeed
500k quake my beloved
truly minmaxing
1m quake
why do you need to use specifically another epoch to charge curse/courage?
and is knucklebones cstack ideal for minmaxing?
becayse +tier attack speed allows you to switch out a piece that is better for damage
early damage that may or may not help you 0 cycle
depends on the party
ohh i see, ty!
have you seen the helmet i use
well
the helmet is in this chat i guess
the one in the first msg?
so switch to that one instead of other crafted if able to use knucklebone
+105% main attack
i could run this build with 1 epoch too right
you are always able to use knucklebones
yea
it would still be better than the popular epoch build
is there an actual wynnbuilder
Crafted Epoch - (Frenzy, Grapple) (Mid Dura)
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=5#8_CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g910KF0PW0Qz0JfCR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c910uH0uz1a1R-Y-Y1B1g1000361000361000361000361001Z60z0z0+0+0+0+0-zV5lcTkd1
WynnBuilder build:
CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g91
Twilight-Gilded Cloak
Leictreach Makani
Warchief
Breezehands
CR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91
CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c91
Recalcitrance
Epoch [e6e6e6]
I use the epoch helmet with kbones
yea
u dont want to run kbones 24/7
detrimental since no mana
- negative lifesteal
no mana = no sprint
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/crafter/#1739e736b9T6c9g91
Helmet Lv. 103-105 (3✫, 3✫)
[ Ironwood Chips | Mahogany Heartwood
Ironwood Chips | Enhanced Pathfinding Microchip
Incremental Mapping Module | Enhanced Potential Microchip ]
all of the things is in this chat
alright and to get rage do i just
just scroll up if u need anything
sigil of terror
fair play
if you dont have sigil of terror u can just take off armour and put it back on in the tp room
nice
what's the difference tho
oh are you using it for berry room
skaxis
clearing mob rooms
So this prob curse epoch then I try find another epoch with low lifesteal right
yea
your offhand epoch can have higher lifesteal
i'd recommend it
-22% should be fine
make sure to get tomes
Ye just all main atk and thunder tome right
Got it tyty
[Experimental] Epoch minmax (4/8 crafted)
I'm going to rename this to experimental because
I'm still finding ways to further minmax this setup
@obtuse laurel
thank you ruby very cool
Wow
@zenith kayak
hi
decent enough for rage right
Is this with knucklebone?
I see, so crafteds for that one is the knuckle bone helm and two rings?
yea
the dps on wynnbuilder isnt true dmg to greg btw because greg has elemental defense
so earth does 100% effectiveness against greg while thunder and air does lesss
i presume its about 30-40% less
thats what it feels like
so even without switching it does more than the normal build alrdy
i think cathy said that elemental def is flat subtraction
and if this is the case then theyre the same
so tripple arrow does less dmg then

idk how much flat reduction is it but
feels like alot
i think cathy said 200
idk if its true
but thats like nothing
wait
the main advantage of triple is ws
@tawdry zenith
double can access frenzy too rn
so triple has nothing going for it except for like 8% dps increase (that is, if you dont miss any arrows, which you definitely will)
does it easily sustain max frenzy?
ye
but it takes a while to stack up to max
thats why i usually take guardian angels as well
o i heard it didnt that well
i use shield triple
it takes like 2-3s for frenzy on triples
(and triple is fun)
i used to run triple but then it really is too hard to maintain focus with it in pf
so i just went to double
fair
@tawdry zenith
first clip 500k second is 400k i think
cant make out the first clip other than
might be 430k smth
1 of them has to be no crit
ssac + 100% = 250% no ssac ehhh
nvm probably the same thing
but ssac without max rage is = 250% is crazy
after some testing
the average damage with self buff in Greg room is
7 million damage first phase
5 million second phase
with ragnorok it's close to 10 million damage first phase
with courage and ragnorok user it's about 12 million
with fortitude and curse it's 1m quake
@rain lichenwhat would a verson of this build with olny 1 bow look like
also, how dose the bow compare to a normal epoch
seams to me that it has way less dps
just rage epoch
for tna greg has 3 elemental defenses
water
thunder
air
earth is not part of this
secondly, rage actually enhances quake damage and dodge doesnt
thirdly, with the up coming greg change it will be much more riskier to get dodge because greg's hitbox will be increased
ok, i might be looking at the wrong bow, can you send the link for the rage epoch?
Crafted Epoch - (Frenzy, Grapple) (Mid Dura)
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=5#8_CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g910KF0PW0Qz0JfCR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c910uH0uz1a1R-Y-Y1B1g1000361000361000361000361001Z60z0z0+0+0+0+0-zV5lcTkd1
WynnBuilder build:
CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g91
Twilight-Gilded Cloak
Leictreach Makani
Warchief
Breezehands
CR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91
CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c91
Recalcitrance
Epoch [e6e6e6]
are you sure the build you looking at has no tomes
oh, ok i see. i was looking at just the bow. i didnt relise that by crafter epoch you ment a set with crafted gear with epoch as bow i thouht it was a bow that was crafted to be as good as a epoch
thank you for clarifying
how do i see how to craft that gear in wynbuilder?
you can scroll down and double click the crafted gear
there is a swappable variation of this build which outputs even more damage
ah, thank you very much. now i actally have to afford a epoch lol
but i only use that in boss
as playing in normal rooms with 1 hp is not ideal
it uses this helmet with knucklebones
ok, what do you sujjust for a all around build that dosent need more than 1 bow
that link i sent earlier
this one?
yea
and what would you recomend if i cant afford the epoch (i cant)
also, isnt the ring taking spell damage a bad thing?
what
its naval stone fliop
its giving +32% melee dmg
do you want melee dmg over spell damage?
interesting

you want an epoch but dont know how it works?
when you realize epoch kites greg so you dont even use sprint
i never said epoch was used for mobility in tna
that cat does NOT mew
@sturdy lark
grapple is better than normal escape in tna
at least when it comes to minmaxing that is
stage 2 skip + faster tree
if you are minmaxing by playing earth epoch you may as well maximise your mobility as well
I believe grapple skip for light is the 2nd fastest skip
could be faster if someone kills the mob ontop
mage has faster skip cuz you can tp up to there right when you spawn
you can immediately grapple to the top from bottom with grap
but its pretty much risky if your team isnt full mage
cuz other classes cant keep up
u can land on the 2nd part before the black room
will only damage people who are at the bottom
meh mage is still faster by experience
by the time your grapple lands the mage can already get up there
ye
and I think idol third
non aero warrior is third but non aero builds are too rare in tna
decimator is good for faster focus
phasing is qol
can be replaced
phasing is good to bulb room because it ACTUALLY hits the enemy
the catchers can sometimes be too fast
and blue arrow storm looks better than red
speaking from experience here homing shots are unreliable for killing catcher's
thats why you go phasing
but if u don't want decimator/phasing this works too
CR-16b6b8r6b9T6W9g91
Twilight-Gilded Cloak
Leictreach Makani
Warchief
Breezehands
CR-19i9k9HAS9i9k9W91
CR-14N4N8c8c8c8c9c91
Recalcitrance
Epoch [e6e6e6]
for qol
I might put this up instead
also twain arc doesnt proc when you have powder special charged
so i use another method to consistently kill stealers
because I don't know any epoch users with the brain capacity of using twains arc for catchers
I sometimes don't either
i use a trick to kill bulbs easier tho
or arrow bomb spam if you are desperate
only reason why spell dmg does matter on epoch
epoch weighting is like 99% melee 1% spell 20% ws and then negative 20% ls
for my build I need to bomb it three times
because helmet has -spell I believe
I personally have a high lifesteal epoch on chain
for room clearing and healing
my main epoch has bad lifesteal I think
ssac the moment u have high ls epoch
doom
support role with just curse and -15% as support
doom
I use pots alot in shitty soul depo rooms
pfinder inability to not stack or kill mobs
other than shrubs
I did
this is my list so far
👍
2 shitty waller ( they quit the game )
1 idol no provoke epoch no use chain or arrowshield
I should probably delete this before someone sparks stuff
discord shits itself when you edit "announcement" messages too many times so this is as much as i got down
ETA (Tierstack) Epoch
[3/8
] [Warchief 
] | 2.0.4
#1016896287007842415 message
I have a video of how to skip with light
my channel is suspended so I need to make a new one
smh
kekw
alternative if for SOME reason you dont want crafted ring is dfiber
@slow stump mid range archer tstack (DPS is comparable to epoch)
delirium swap for walkspeed and interchangable depending on third room buff
fire emoji
wtf is this...
what are you cooking...
does it actually
yes
what's the price/skill difference
price of this is 3stx
the weapon itself i bought for 8eb
its just the armour thats expensive
skil difference is you need to offhand a stinger for this imo
mmmmm
the negative lifesteal from the armor eats ur hp slowly
oh
just put ragnarokkr
same thing
278k vs 253k
i'll use the kbones version rq
kbones epoch
technically epoch has more dps since ssac is a global buff
but having the ability to use ssac is crazy
ssac would be better for team!
ok sponsor this build for me rq
if im not laggy
stop being asian
pfinder SUCKS
me and ruby got CSPRING RAINBOWSLAP BOLTSLINGER
he killed BOTH of us in watch
Bro I have 600 pfinder runs 300 of them are solos pfinder is absolutely hilarious
I use warp in pfinder cause then they literally cannot kill me no matter what they do
same
I have died once with warp
Greg melied me in the air charged jumped and then watched after throwing a eye that I ran into
Mortal Kombat fr
epoch for pfinder
doubt for premade
Skull
doubt can retain nearly the same dmg while also giving ssac to allies 80% of the runs
but 20% dmg boost to pfinder is basically nothing
because 0 dmg * 1000% is still 0

What do buffs look like
For room 3
Hopeless>fading>idfk
If you get fading does chestplate switch
yea
currently the main epoch can get either
but doubt can get both
once i release this video
i feel like i will cr ash epoch prices
I take fading if I get it and no hopeless cause with sigil I boost my dmg a littke
💀
Real
Ong
I actually feel bad for epoch player bro got shamed by unmythic
Couldn't full crafted epoch do hella dmg
doubt has the same dps as crafted epoch
including global selfbuff
but if u include global buff for both
epoch out dmg by 80k dps
But why
Does it scale better with rage why does doubt do more dmg
Ah ok
Skull
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=5#8_0uh07N0X90VN0EE0BK0BI0OO0Ed1d1a0012061g1000361000361000361000361000360z0z0+0+0+0+0-zV5lchLF3
WynnBuilder build:
Luminiferous Aether
Calidade Mail
Physalis
Nether's Scar
Downfall
Flashfire Knuckle
Flashfire Gauntlet
Diamond Static Necklace
Doubt [e6e6]
non crafted set that costs like 4 le to buy
Luminiferous Aether
Calidade Mail
Runebound Chains
Battleground Dancer
Breezehands
Flashfire Knuckle
Flashfire Gauntlet
Recalcitrance
Doubt [e6e6]
damage is also nearly halved
wjat
I made this thread
so maybe
it can use some walkspeed tome
but other then that beats antballs
doubt unid is 10le trol
cause of you
I wonder who did that

you should give one to cyana
idk but i calced yours do 260k
and mine to 204k
so its 78% the damage
i didnt forget about ssac or sorc
this is the true budget epoch set
tho whole point of epoch in the first place is actually for failsafe
playing at 1hp is not failsafe

cata prices actually went up since brass brand
Your set also relies on 1 hp??
they prob wont untill theyre in the lr chest
epoch being in lr chest? thats a funny joke
I'm going to keep the build private
:3
I shared it to a group of people and they all kept saying it's bad
because "I feel like"
"why use 11hr" "nice ws"
I told them swappable with delirium
they said "then why put 11hr"
im working on getting dis build rn
fire
i think i also know which people youre talking ab
if im doin this shit with 1 epoch, do u just replace everything with earth powder and helm with crafted
(not late to this at all)
@rain lichen
u can use island sniper
I have no idea
The owner advertised in #💰trade_market and 5 minutes later I told him I offer 5 stx, and he said he alr sold for 15 stx
wut htat
bow
non mythic tna meta?
I guess that's meta for people who can't afford 2nd epoch for chain
ok ig im buying a 2nd epoch for chain
yea
non mythic in question has warchief
the dps of island sniper is like 3/5 of epoch
Real
@fringe sparrow
does most of the dmg come from quake or regular shots
quake is 1/6 of the dps mathematically
but i feel like its 1/3
How does ragepoch do that much more than regular
cuz regular shots won’t do much earth dmg
I mean still
epoch is thunder and air
so most of the dmg still comes from that I assume
and u also gotta pray that ur teammates don’t just nuke u in watched phase
no
if u e6e6e6 earth is the majority
owning like 38% of the dmg output from just the arrows
more like 34.7%
but yea thats more than thunder and air
boosting the dmg by 300% is like a total of 70% dmg increase
assuming nothing elsse is affected
but realistically its around a 30% dmg increase because leictreach makani and twilight has also given alot
should also mention its kbones -2helm
i'll do a comparison to itself sec
having max rage on the main arrows is a 17 something % increase
49% increase in quake dmg
429,910 dps
57,800 quake dps
= 487,710
365,593 dps
38,779 quake dps
= 404,372
roughly a 20% dps difference
wynnbuilder shows avg quake including crits
its never avg its either below or above if you crit
statistically it wont average out to be the same as wynnbuilder, even if you solo from full hp; greg can't survive that many quakes to where it can average out to be normal
wynnbuilder is accurate; dex is fucking up your calcs i think
@rain lichen what buffs do you prioritize for each room? (for epoch)
hopeless, hopeless, aaand hopeless
wow
the naneless anomaly