More Missions

[spiral plaza]

idk maybe shaman or archer with trash build

[forest nest]

Real

[rancid cypress]

Hey even if you don’t do 5 hour runs “slow runner” is still like a +40-50 pull on avg runs

Prob just put a “cap” on slow runner of like 2 1/2-3 hrs

[spiral plaza]

we are talking about people who lr slow instead of a specific mission

[edgy sinew]

koh hmelee

[forest nest]

I did a lr with lunar spine hmelee once

[spiral plaza]

wtf...

[rancid cypress]

Mission “lerpercan looter” after finishing one of every beacon color spawn 30-50 flying chests

Also no idea how to spell that so get fucked

[forest nest]

30-50? damn

[mellow sequoia]

what the fuck

no that is ridiculous

[rancid cypress]

Seemed funny lol I don’t think 10 flying chests is worth a mission and with materialism u get like 80-160 flying chest avg a run?

30 seems like an “ok” number but a bit low 50 seemed a bit high

[spiral plaza]

i love ur short run ideas

[rancid cypress]

I wanna give like 60-80% value of long runs the option for short runs

[rocky herald]

so you reckon in the time you could do a good 5 short runs...

[rancid cypress]

Can u give me ur reasoning a bit for why this is bad semi compared to materialism

[pastel crypt]

if its too low of a payoff then its trash, and if its too high then its op because its way less work

[rancid cypress]

But there is a balance within that range?

Prob not 50 lol

[spiral plaza]

20 is at most imo

[rancid cypress]

Idk short lack the ability to also loot in the ways long runs can

20 feels slightly usless to me for a “long run” but ig it doesn’t “need” to fill both niches

[spiral plaza]

it is obviously not for long run

[rancid cypress]

See if it was 50 id still take it on a long run cause 50 chests just feel funny/crazy to me

But in retrospect it’s still only like 1/3 of materialism runs

Also as much as you’d want it for short runs the requirements is “get 1 of every color (maybe exclude the 1 time beacons I’m not sure how it would work) it would still take a “bit” of time

[spiral plaza]

dont ignore the time u need to do a full materialism run

[rancid cypress]

I’m trying to keep it in mind

[rocky herald]

I am not fishing for feedback. why would you say such a thing

[spiral plaza]

instant rewards usually too good for short run burst

unless they are sac or rr related

[rancid cypress]

I feel every mission being a scaling mission is kinda op for long runs, imo there needs to also be some “flat” values

[rocky herald]

maybe not op for long runs
just against doing short runs, on account of only having a solid 20 challenges or so before ending

[spiral plaza]

then nerf the instant reward just like how they nerf dgrey

[rancid cypress]

I’m slightly confused

Trust me I don’t like doing short runs either I just wish it was more viable/diversified

Oh I have a better idea

[spiral plaza]

short is good already with sac, and if u can get instant 30 flying chest it is broken

not mention that we might have other new missions combo with flying chest

[rancid cypress]

Mission “lerpercan looter” your next beacon spawn is a rainbow and spawns 10 fly chests at the end. (If you already are under the effects of rainbow a aqua effect is granted and x20 flying chest spawn)

[rocky herald]

leprechaun

[rancid cypress]

I can’t spell that shit

[rocky herald]

now you can
congratulations!

[rancid cypress]

What do u think I have fucking brain cells

[rocky herald]

presumably speaking

[spiral plaza]

what is leprechaun

[rancid cypress]

Fr

Lepercan all the way 🇺🇸

[rancid cypress]

Not sure if ur joking it’s little Irish fucks that hide their gold under rainbows

[spiral plaza]

english is not my first language so idk what is that, but after i google it i think i knew this before i just dont know their name

(also i dont know the story behind them)

[rancid cypress]

Ya just Irish folk lore I think idk

[spiral plaza]

i seen them number of times but i never know their name

[rancid cypress]

Mission “leprechaun luck” all flying chest are x2 (this is applied at the end so any other effects granting flying chests are also x2)

[spiral plaza]

how this applied at the end? do they all spawn after run?

[rancid cypress]

So I mean so like if u have materialism and rainbow effect then x2 is applied

Leaves room to synergize with any other missions that might spawn flying chests

[spiral plaza]

actually why dont let them spawn after challenge

i dont think spawning over 100 flying chest at the end is good (this might kill my pc)

[rancid cypress]

That is not what I’m trying to say

[rancid cypress]

It would spawn after the challange I’m just saying if anything else also + flying chest it gets x2

[rancid cypress]

^ like this would also get the x2 effect if you got it to line up correctly

[spiral plaza]

ok so what u mean at the end is the end of the formula?

[rancid cypress]

Yes

[spiral plaza]

tbh people can get 6 mythic boxes in a run with this combo with materialism

[rancid cypress]

Mission “greedy pockets ” every emerald picked up during ur lr is stored in a separate “cashe” and double at the end of your run

Idk I wanna think of more -negative missions with fun rewards

Idfk I can’t think of any good ideas

I keep thinking about Greg chasing me around lutho 😭

[spiral plaza]

running around false despite to experience it before it is out

[rancid cypress]

Mission “liquidation” every item is coverted into emeralds (something like uniques are 32 emeralds ish, rares are 1-4 EB, legendary are 4-10 eb, set items are 1-8 eb, fables are 20-32 eb and mythics are 48 le) (maybe make it so this mission doesn’t apply to mythics it’s the only this it doesn’t “convert”)

[rocky herald]

-mythic drops
-64 emeralds
-

[rancid cypress]

Fr

[spiral plaza]

item from flying and normal chest?

[rancid cypress]

Yes

[spiral plaza]

i like this i never take anything besides mythics or ing from chests

[rancid cypress]

Updated

^commons would be 16-32 emeralds I forgot about them

Subject to change uniques might be too strong still I haven’t really done that much math with those numbers

[spiral plaza]

how about ing?

[rancid cypress]

Maybe? Idk how to balance that. The main idea behind liquidation is it avg out the cost of uniques, some are work 4 emeralds and some are worth 1-2le it more to remove the knowledge check from newer players, ing doesn’t necessarily have the same knowledge check imo

Like they semi do but it’s different idk how to balance

[rancid cypress]

@mellow sequoia opinion on this is i think I actually like it a lot

[mellow sequoia]

sounds like huge inflation

[late valve]

^

[pastel crypt]

could be 1.5x or 2x the unid box blacksmithing price maybe, as that is already kinda low, and you can blacksmith/id things mid run after all challs already

[little sun]

orphion inflation

[mellow sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-you-fucking-did-gif-25579294

[rocky herald]

orphenomics

[spiral plaza]

economy after 2.0.3 lr

[rancid cypress]

How does one deal with gate keeping item rarity then? For those who “know” they have such an extreme advantage

• also removed the champ being objectively pay to win with pet perks

[mellow sequoia]

what

[rancid cypress]

Like aquamarine being worth 1 le but ceansor being worth like 6 emerald blocks. How does one deal with the knowledge check of finding that out? Imo setting them to a base “liquidation” is gives an option to players who don’t much to just simply convert most items to an “avg” rate that hopefully isn’t extremely op

Also let’s my brain dead ass not have to constantly check of items r the ones I want

[pastel crypt]

i didnt know what items were worth much, if i saw something expensive in market i checked if they all were that price, if they were then i marked on wynntils item book

[mellow sequoia]

my face when being knowledgable of item prices rewards you

[pastel crypt]

(came back in 2.0.3, and all my bookmarks are starting from there)

[mellow sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/602850002485641236/1172069309850341457/v12044gd0000ckq68ofog65tmru3bf10.mp4

[rancid cypress]

It creates a gate keeping mentality imo

[mellow sequoia]

your opinion is wrong

[rancid cypress]

Ppl don’t want prices go down so they don’t tell ppl what to collect or not

[mellow sequoia]

you're wrong, there are literally guides on what to grab while lootrunning

[pastel crypt]

every people that has asked me for what i collect ive given my list to atleast

[rancid cypress]

^ constantly changing as the meta changes

[spiral plaza]

u should grab mythic from lr

[pastel crypt]

its a fluctuating market, staying up to date should be their job if they want to be a part of high tides

[rancid cypress]

Idk I am constantly find new boots that have like 4 pairs on the market and I only found out cause I randomly collected an item an decided to check market price myself

[pastel crypt]

its not like there are "hidden" markets

[mellow sequoia]

buuns this is literally a skill issue holy shit

[rancid cypress]

I’m saying ya for majority of players who don’t have that knowledge check pass having a mission to subvert that check doesn’t seem that back to me

Especially if it avg out to less

[mellow sequoia]

the mission isnt a totally bad idea, but your reasons for it are so so so wrong that i dont even wanna consider it anymore

is it gatekeeping to know the main stats on a mythic and pricing it accordingly?

[rancid cypress]

Cause players don’t know prices of 100% of items and for players without pets collecting those items consumed alot more “resources” than those with pets who can store over 3 pages of items per lr

[mellow sequoia]

if you know the value of random uniques and rares then you should be rewarded for grabbing them

[rancid cypress]

Agree so don’t take the mission but those who don’t give them an option to “auto cash out”

[mellow sequoia]

this wont solve the issue of pets being used because even with this mission, grabbing the items will still be superior, so using pets will still be better

[rancid cypress]

Yes^ but it gives an option still

Idk maybe I’m just so brain dead I’d rather just speedrun item to emerald process even if it’s more “inefficient” than actually finding the items and taking time to id them and sell them

[pastel crypt]

i just id things mid run usually when i only have around 1-2 open slots left

[rancid cypress]

I like selling things un id which you can’t do since you can’t interact with the market

[pastel crypt]

gamble

[rancid cypress]

Thus it exclusively locked behind pets

[spiral plaza]

am i the only one who ignore everything besides mythics?

[rancid cypress]

Some rare chest plates like delirium are worth like 3-5 le un I’d so I keep my eyes out

Again that would avg to like 8 emerald blocks with “liquidation”

[spiral plaza]

i dont care about things that less than 1stx

[rancid cypress]

Idk who to make my point any better than that. Like of course having the knowledge check is gonna be better but sometimes I don’t wanna id the 25+ potential deliriums I’d just rather brainlessly convert them all into avg emeralds and not gamble

@mellow sequoia sorry to keep @ u I just rlly want u to expand on ur thoughts more

[spiral plaza]

actually is this a good chestplate?

wait wtf is this ws

[rancid cypress]

Yes walk speed and thunder dmg is vry good I think

[rocky herald]

very good chestplate

[spiral plaza]

what mythics use this?

[rancid cypress]

I believe my hero spell spam build uses it

[mellow sequoia]

buuns yeah its not the worst idea but like missions are really meant to change up the lootrun not just be convenient for you in a specific circumstance

[rocky herald]

whatever etw mythics there are which need to have walk speed cope
fatal

[rancid cypress]

I feel like removing 99% of items changes lring quite a bit?

[rocky herald]

I figure
High Roller and Redemption don't really do anything to shake up the lootrun
they just give you more end loot to play with, and don't impact the actual run

[rancid cypress]

this suggestion has no relevance to why I rlly want “liquidation” to be a thing

[spiral plaza]

yeah they are just random mission A and B

they are like the basic of lr

[rancid cypress]

Wdym all of Wynn isn’t specifically designed around my special brand of skill issue

[mellow sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1171922058888880128/togif.gif?ex=655e7078&is=654bfb78&hm=957cde67891b9cc939c7378e3fa1160492548e71b4aa79f752ee68330cddecd2&

[rancid cypress]

Rlly I was feeling a gorgus reaction to that

[rancid cypress]

What do u think of the “rainbow mission” ideas I had before or does “do one of every color” just “bad design”

[rocky herald]

that was a yellow mission
if leprechaun looter is going to give you 20 flying chests for taking every colored beacon, that is going to be a yellow mission

[spiral plaza]

@mellow sequoia what missions design u/devs like so far?

[rancid cypress]

^

It would be nice to know what direction is “acceptable” I feel like some of my ideas are shots in the dark that I’m not sure fits with the themes of lring

[spiral plaza]

most of ur ideas too op imo

maybe i should say hard to balance instead of op

[rancid cypress]

Another “picky looter” mission. Condensed all of your flying chest into one. For every chest condensed multiply your lq and lb by amount and applies to said chest. So if you were suppose to open 4 flying chest is condense into 1 and ur lq and lb are 4x for that chest(break the soft cap unless to op)

[rocky herald]

Could still use more blue missions

[candid sand]

Ohey neat thread. Might come up with some ideas in a bit

[rancid cypress]

^ idk how to touch those besides the few random ideas I had

[rocky herald]

we only have the single boring one in game right now, and it could do to have more options for Better Boons

[candid sand]

That would be like the old aqua -> yellow interaction and just spawn a bunch of ingredients as is

[spiral plaza]

the problem of blue mission is that they can only interact with boons

[candid sand]

Which may or may not be a bad thing

[rancid cypress]

My random ones are every time you choose a boon gain 2 random boons and be able to have choose 2 boons when selecting

[rocky herald]

Well that
that's probably debatable
Given there's only 1 in the game that doesn't seem like a great sample size for exactly what they can do

[spiral plaza]

tbh if this break soft cap it will become too op, if not it actually make u get less rewards

[rancid cypress]

I’m hoping ing don’t over take stuff like legendary fable and mythic ideas but I doubt it

[candid sand]

From my experience, they do. They'd almost fill the entire chest

[rancid cypress]

Ya imo it’s a slight problem but idk if they will ever address it

[rocky herald]

One of my ideas for a blue mission was to get a permanent damage buff if you got to complete a challenge quickly
not boring, rewards you for trying to play the game

[rancid cypress]

Oh ya that one was also a banger

[spiral plaza]

where is the blue part

[rocky herald]

player buffs

[rancid cypress]

^

[spiral plaza]

is that a huge scaling boon but in mission form?

[rancid cypress]

Basically

[spiral plaza]

that's cool

[rancid cypress]

Imo it was rlly cool and syngerizes rlly cool with some of the other “speedrun” challanges

That we proposed earlier

[candid sand]

I like that idea. Could make it a damage/speed buff maybe ?

[rancid cypress]

If anyone wants to be a gigga chad prob tomorrow would could use another “collection/link” to all the good ideas

[rocky herald]

eh
walk speed caps out pretty fast with boons so I would refrain from that

[spiral plaza]

better dont be speed because it can reach cap easily

[candid sand]

Maybe both then ?

[spiral plaza]

both is ok

[rancid cypress]

Remove the speed cap 😈

[spiral plaza]

and i dont know should they add a cap on it

[pastel crypt]

Thats just a boon yk

[spiral plaza]

dont do it, i dont want to become uncontrollable with equili

[rancid cypress]

I gotta hop out but I hope y’all come up with some more bangers for blues

Agree it was a meme but my shaman could only wish

[spiral plaza]

maybe no cap or super big value

u can say orphion grace is just a boon tbh

[rocky herald]

orphion's grace: The Boon Boon

[spiral plaza]

bigger boons!!

[rocky herald]

50% more boon per boon!

[spiral plaza]

finally my blue beacon can become 1.5 boons instead of just more choices

[rancid cypress]

Oh ya I forgot about the other one. 3x ur boons no longer able to gain time in and form

[spiral plaza]

I can't see why u need this

[forest nest]

pick your poison: when you get a curse, you can choose which curse it is (enemy damage, enemy resistance etc) but curses are 50% more effective

[spiral plaza]

cant wait to make a 10000% speed mob

[forest nest]

lmao

[spiral plaza]

this actually can be so good with resis spam

unless u cant choose resis when it is full

[forest nest]

uhhh yeah lets say u cant pick resis if its full

[spiral plaza]

it is a customize mobs DIY

[candid sand]

While I don't have the numbers in place for this idea, I think it'd be neat if a mission reward could somehow be tied to the type of challenge you would do (Be it Slay/Destroy, Defend or Scavenge)

Like doing X Defend challenges in a row to get X amount of pulls, or giving you a random boon for each Scavenge challenge clear

It would have to be a worthwhile reward to compensate for the lack of a more consistent beacon choice. Would also give another purpose for Beacon rerolls and taking Oranges late game

Hell could even make it a mission requirement

Side note : I'll take a look at the whole thread and compile the hyperlink connected to those at some point

[rancid cypress]

I also enjoy that type of variation of mission, I feel a ton of different varieties can come from it

[rancid cypress]

Literally the goat

[candid sand]

I've already done a quick skim so I made an idea that already wasn't discussed, but I'll look again to note stuff when I'm not uber tired

[sharp echo]

hi

for every consecutive yellow beacon you take, increase the amount of flying chests it grants by +1 (max +3 if stacks with vibrant/aqua, max +5 if not)

after completing purple beacon challenges consecutively, gain +1 more pull and curse (max +5 each)

[spiral plaza]

insane ritual equili combo

but that's fair

[sharp echo]

oh my GOD another mission that's gonna be broken with equi

uhh

whenever you increase your time by 5m, get a random boon

[spiral plaza]

it is fair with 3 rare mission tho

and u probably need a sac to make the combo worth it

[sharp echo]

you can't aqua boost it either since taking aqua will reset the bonus

[spiral plaza]

yeah but aqua purple spam is 4 pulls per challenge but that's 8 per challenge

[sharp echo]

oh I thought it's 6, ig that's with vibrant

[spiral plaza]

probably should nerf the value

[sharp echo]

fuck, and vibrant will double the amount

[spiral plaza]

vibrant +2 pulls mission+5 and base 1 pulls

[sharp echo]

there, max 3

[spiral plaza]

just make that calculate after vibrant

[sharp echo]

too much dev time (I'm kidding)

yeah I'm gonna change it to "after completing a purple beacon"

[sharp echo]

there we go

[spiral plaza]

is that a huge difference?

[sharp echo]

yeah it means it won't count vibrant or aqua

since the value is provided by the mission itself and does not base on the purple beacon

[spiral plaza]

it is not bad to make it playable with aqua pruple

[sharp echo]

nahhhhhhhhhhh

maybe if we get a mission that makes beacons aqua-boosted by random but gets rid of aqua beacons

[spiral plaza]

aqua purple only get 1 more per challenge

[sharp echo]

but tealy didn't like it sooooo

hey it's max 5 already it should be fine

[spiral plaza]

why? aqua beacon is good

[sharp echo]

bc he said it's just like vibrants

[spiral plaza]

if it is max5 it should be a rare mission

[sharp echo]

yeah idc either way

[spiral plaza]

BIGGER VIBRANT

[sharp echo]

I said it would stack with vibrants cuz well, it's just like taking an aqua beacon

it's basically gonna be materialism but for aqua beacons

[spiral plaza]

also u probably need a huge orange to prepare for it

[sharp echo]

why

[spiral plaza]

to prevent rng that break ur streak

[sharp echo]

luck issue

[spiral plaza]

that actually can slow u down by a lot

[sharp echo]

ig tealy also said that if the missions only does its thing sometimes then it would suck

[spiral plaza]

and u definitely not want to see it

[spiral plaza]

so less rng in mission effect?

[sharp echo]

so maybe something like uhhh

every 3rd challenge, your beacon options will become aqua-boosted. aqua beacons will no longer appear

[spiral plaza]

that's terrible

[sharp echo]

3rd or 4th?

hey, one less beacon to worry about

[spiral plaza]

that's so toxic

[sharp echo]

I feel like every 2nd challenge would be broken

cuz that's every other challenge

maybe I should change the wording

[spiral plaza]

it will either force u to have beacon rr to prevent "skill issue" or too op with the purple streak mission u just put

[sharp echo]

take backup beat then

[spiral plaza]

what about with purple streak? (or just dont add it in the pool )

[sharp echo]

hey I only made this mission bc you want purple streak to work with aqua beacons

[sharp echo]

right here

[spiral plaza]

i mean not bad if u can get +1 pulls even u dont have purple streak not with +5 multiple with aqua

idk how should aqua work with it but how many pulls can u get each challenge in this combo?

[sharp echo]

oh also purple streak's extra pulls and curses won't be boosted by vibrant or aqua

cuz it would be too powerful like you said

[spiral plaza]

well that's way more balance

also hopefully /class wont reset the streak

[sharp echo]

so the max you can get is like, 11 pulls/curses with vibrant+3rd aqua mission

[sharp echo]

LMAO

[spiral plaza]

so it is 8 8 12

so average about 9 pulls per challenge

well that's fair for a 4 missions combo

[sharp echo]

wait, vibrant purple grants 3 right

[spiral plaza]

2?

[sharp echo]

oh

so aqua vpurple is 4?

[spiral plaza]

if vibrant purple is 3 what is normal purple

[spiral plaza]

normal aqua, yes

[sharp echo]

how about vaqua purple

[spiral plaza]

6

[sharp echo]

and vaqua vpurple?

[spiral plaza]

wait hold up, vaqua purple is 3

vaqua vpurple is the 6 one

[sharp echo]

why is it three but aqua vpurple is 4

[spiral plaza]

because aqua multiple with vibrant instead of just adding up

vibrant is 2x and normal aqua is 2x so 4

[sharp echo]

ohhh right right, math is mathing

with rainbow, purple streak + aqua every 3 would be 7 7 11 then

since vpurple is just 2

[spiral plaza]

yes without counting the base pull reward

[sharp echo]

I totally forgot about that

can we have it be 9 9 11

[spiral plaza]

wtf

[sharp echo]

but yeah it requires like 2 missions and a rainbow

not to mention the chances of getting both

[spiral plaza]

u need ritual equili purplestreak and that aqua mission working together so that's fair

actually it is quiet bad in this way

[sharp echo]

yeah otherwise it's useless unless you take a bunch of reds and greens beforehand

[spiral plaza]

u have 0 rr

[sharp echo]

alr +2 per consecutive then

max +6

[spiral plaza]

how about i dont take that the aqua mission and get a sac or rr then

[sharp echo]

well it depends on your preference

[spiral plaza]

it will probably become op then

[sharp echo]

so is it good or bad???????

bro you're confusing me 😭

[spiral plaza]

it is bad when u take all 4 as combo because u have 0rr or sac unless that's ur daily run

it is too good when u ignore that aqua mission and take rr or sac

the combo actually make it worse

[sharp echo]

even then you'd only have 1 mission slot for it

so like what, 2 rrs or 1sac, or both with ult sac

[real nexus]

Mission that makes purple beacons passive

[spiral plaza]

2rr/1sac definitely better than that aqua mission

[sharp echo]

the aqua mission will increase your pulls by uh, 16% ew

yeah 2rr/1sac is better

[spiral plaza]

maybe it is better with other missions if we dont think around ritual and equili (although i dont think there's 1 mission to replace both of them)

[sharp echo]

simply nerf the two mfs

[spiral plaza]

i will definitely use it with other missions now then

[sharp echo]

if we make the aqua mission trigger every other mission, then the increase in pulls would be +25%

is that any better?

or do we make the aqua mission rainbow beacon 2.0

[spiral plaza]

idk what will happen if u use this with other new missions

[sharp echo]

im crying, I hate game design

I'm kidding I love game design what I hate is game balance

[spiral plaza]

actually do they accept that player can get 10k epulls in a single run with a fixed 4 rare missions combo?

[spiral plaza]

yeah that's the worst part of online game

[sharp echo]

well rrs and sacs are gonna be more rare with all the new missions

[spiral plaza]

that's why single player always much more fun(when u dont have friends play with u)

[sharp echo]

and I'm buffing the heck out of the missions bc you keep saying it's weak

[spiral plaza]

it is actually possible to become more common

depends on the ratio of rr/sac missions

[sharp echo]

nahh tealy said they want rr/sacs to be rare. there probably won't be any new rr/sac missions

[spiral plaza]

they can be weak on alone and then too op with combo

[sharp echo]

ikr 😭

[real nexus]

This won't fix the economy anymore

[sharp echo]

rrs effectively doubling your mfing pulls like

[sharp echo]

simply print more money

[spiral plaza]

save this job for new mythics in fruma(hopefully dont destory them again)

[sharp echo]

yeah whatever happens happens right. all I'm here for is spamming ideas and storming that brain

[spiral plaza]

i should ask tealy about do they accept super rare chance combo to get insanely high epulls in a single run

[sharp echo]

his response to buuns' mission idea says no

[spiral plaza]

(this might bring back toxic reset)

buuns' missions are broken for a single mission but we dont know for broken for a full combo

[sharp echo]

yeahh just make em balanced and chill, man

then let the players break the game for you, then adjust things accordingly

[spiral plaza]

because we dont have a real full combo at live server now

[spiral plaza]

imagine if no 2.0.4 beta

love to see a 239k epulls run in live

[sharp echo]

yeah exactly, there's gonna be a beta anyway

[sharp echo]

missing those 200+ challenges lootruns

[spiral plaza]

hopefully beta can fix things

[sharp echo]

as long as the players are doing their part and actually providing feedback bc that's what betas are for then yeah

[spiral plaza]

i dont know why they add lr caps in the last patch in 2.0.4 beta

i dont think they dont know that those missions can be broken when combo together

[sharp echo]

it's a good solution to the "infinite challenges" problem

[spiral plaza]

and they cant fix sacrifice bug till the first week of live

[spiral plaza]

but they definitely know that at first place right?

why they add it in the last patch in beta, which is literally a day before live

[sharp echo]

idk

it can be hard to gauge if something will be game-breaking or not. getting feedback directly from the players is the best way to know that

[spiral plaza]

tbh no cap is no longer broken anymore with the gb in live now

ok maybe it is broken for a 24hours run

[sharp echo]

if you take gb then it won't be broken

[sharp echo]

lmao yeah exactly

[spiral plaza]

u need to get a good objective and store like 100 hours time

[sharp echo]

hey at least it'll be harder to utilize specific mission combos if there's more missions to choose from

I hope they increase the mission cap to 5

[spiral plaza]

and hopefully they wont become randomly broken with random choices

[sharp echo]

it's gonna be fineeeeeeee, just beta responsibly yk

[spiral plaza]

i never trust beta

[real nexus]

The main thing that new missions should have is that they should synergize with old missions and with each other, so there's no 2.0.3 runs where all runs are usually shitty or game winning

[rancid cypress]

Mission “randomized” beacon colors are now invisible but are 3x more effective (maybe even 1.5x end reward pulls at the end)

(This would also be able to break the challange cap but only to a limited amount)

[real nexus]

this could be very fun

[rancid cypress]

Tealy opinion on that one?

[modest crescent]

that does sound fun

[rancid cypress]

Mission “treasure goblins” a x% chance a glowing treasure goblin will spawn at some point during a challenge. Killing the goblin will drop 3-8(10 maybe?) flying chests and between 1 eb - 1 le worth of emeralds

Goblins could have different skin’s depending on area if y’all rlly like that idea

[dull sonnet]

You addicted to hsb too?

[rancid cypress]

Hypixel skyblock? No actually never played it the # scaling turns me away from games like that

I was thinking about treasure goblins from Diablo

[vale tartan]

a mission to get more flat emeralds would be awesome

maybe just some amount of EB/LE is guaranteed in the end chest based on how many challenges you’ve completed

[rancid cypress]

I semi like my “liquidation” mission for that reason but different effect ig

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[vale tartan]

yeah kinda

[mellow sequoia]

possible, would people really wanna take that though?

[rancid cypress]

If it let me break challange cap, have a chance for D grey glory days and im imagining it might even be slightly op for mission depending on how you implement it

[modest crescent]

it would be quite funy, one time you take it and you get a cracked run
the other it sucks

[rancid cypress]

I imagine it’s something like every beacon is now v and 2x Aqua stack with the heavy risk of purples and reds being extra threating while making good synergies also it let’s players choose what camps they like to do since they can’t see color anyways

[mellow sequoia]

what if it was just like

all beacons are now 2x power, can be stacked w aqua and vibrant

[rancid cypress]

Also goated

I wasn’t sure how it would work with rainbows or aquas

I’m hoping it let it semi break challange cap so reds and whites aren’t inherently less powerful

That’s the thought behind it

Atleast

[dull sonnet]

Oh, because theres pretty much that system (you can get golden goblins which you kill for bonus rewards)

[real nexus]

would it work with materialism?

[mellow sequoia]

no, it would double the beacons power, not other missions

[real nexus]

I think it's really important to make new missions to have synergies :/

because like, what would be even the point to take it after you picked materialism and all one time ones

you would have only reds and greens, which they are already covered up with rainbow beacon

maybe purples, idk

anti-synergies aren't ok

[dull sonnet]

They are

• too many positive synergies makes it more frustrating if you DONT get them

[real nexus]

ig, but they aren't fun to work around them

for anti-synergies

[real nexus]

no, if most of the beacons will synergize a lot of them I think

[rancid cypress]

^ I’m more on board with this mentality

[rancid cypress]

Tbh I’m not sure how it would apply. I wish y’all would make the change to materialism “triggers yellow beacon effects when flying chests are opened” it would fix some “bugs” (imo) with some boon scaling and it opens the mission to syngerize with many other “common” mission we might come up with

[real nexus]

I mean, if rainbow beacon works with materialism then I think this could too (aqua not working is kinda of an anti-synergy but I understand why this wasn't implemented)

[rancid cypress]

Yellow beacon and flying chest beinf classified as 2 different “objective triggers” doesn’t feel like a good idea to me

[rancid cypress]

Agree with this aswell

[real nexus]

current mission system is kinda built around synergies as well

[rancid cypress]

@tired pine also if ur ideas are so great plz bless this thread aswell

[tired pine]

I do not Lootrun so I will not be weighing in because I know when I am not needed in a thread...

[rancid cypress]

Shame…

[rancid cypress]

Maybe someone who has a raid perspective could give interesting missions seeing as your perspective might be vastly different from ppl who focus on lring

No meme I just want more ideas in this thread

[spiral plaza]

that "randomized" sounds fun but i guess i will only take it if i have equili (or any new mission that can against the purple curse scale)

also it should give u some permanent more choices or even full choices

[real nexus]

Materialism is kinda like that

[broken rivet]

It’s already majority useless missions we don’t need any more

There’s like 3 that are worth while

[pastel crypt]

well suggest something that isnt useless then 🤨

[broken rivet]

That is my suggestion

No more

Read

[spiral plaza]

[rancid cypress]

Bro rlly is just a single brain cell hater

[rancid cypress]

Actually make them treasure cows lol

[spiral plaza]

is there any goblin in wynn?

no way we actually have goblin

[rancid cypress]

Wait I gotta find that place now lol

[floral spade]

Llevigar plains exists

[spiral plaza]

only thing i know about Llevigar : spider grind

[rancid cypress]

I hope ppl come up with more + mission slot missions. I can’t think of very many good ones

[edgy sinew]

+mission slots missions are L

[rancid cypress]

Idk 4 feels so limiting to me especially if we are gonna have some less powerful options

Something like +2 mission slots curses are 30% more effective (boring to me)

Something like “multitasker” +4 mission slots, you can completely multiple missions at the same time. Missions only have 1/4 of their effectiveness (idk how to balance idea like this)

[dull sonnet]

the only thing i can imagine is smth like
Double or Nothing
Your next mission has a 50% chance to double its effect and a 50% chance to do nothing. Select another mission after finishing this one.
(the selecting another mission doesnt take a gray beacon)

actually sounds kinda fun if you get lucky

[rocky herald]

wasn't there the whole discussion about "RNG makes the game less fun" already?

[spiral plaza]

rng is part of mission

[dull sonnet]

yes

[modest crescent]

needing rng to get a good run is not fun, but a mission that you can choose to get to make the run itself more rng seems fine

[dull sonnet]

actually yeah, kinda like gb

[rocky herald]

something about taking a mission that has a chance to do absolutely nothing seems less fun
if it were a chance for 1 of 2 effects that still benefited you, maybe

[rancid cypress]

Memes

[spiral plaza]

can they give us more choices when there's tons of missions?

[rocky herald]

say
what if we just add the extra option to take a completely random mission, if you don't like the ones you're given

[spiral plaza]

better than nothing

[dull sonnet]

not so equilibrium - for every beacon you (did already) max out gain 1 random mission

so red, rainbow, white, dgray, gray
orange, blue, purple, yellow, green, aqua cant be maxed (except yellow materialism if you count is as that)

[spiral plaza]

so 5 more random mission?

maximum

imagine got gb from it

[edgy sinew]

ui issues

[pastel crypt]

cant they just use a double chest instead of a normal chest

[edgy sinew]

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[real nexus]

Seems too frustrating

[real nexus]

That's why there could be extra missions that give rerolls (but still to make them slightly less common that they are currently because this could make people frustrated if they don't get anything like this)

[sharp echo]

can I get a

aqua beacons will last for +1 more challenge

(this would make aqua not appear for +1 more challenge too after taking one)

[sharp echo]

I think that's the inverse of what they're trying to do here

[spiral plaza]

that's sounds like smth that will be so buggy

[sharp echo]

depends on how aqua beacons are coded

[spiral plaza]

actually why u need that

[sharp echo]

bc free aqua hello

[spiral plaza]

oh wait i see why

easier to use with red or green

[sharp echo]

yep, and with purple too

[spiral plaza]

it is a good common mission

[sharp echo]

yeeee

[edgy sinew]

Yeah, that would be cool actually

[real nexus]

I have the funny idea ( ): Get 5 rerolls. Your rerolls and pulls are swapped with places

sacrifice pulls also would be affected and if you sacrifice, if would get from your rerolls

[astral turtle]

this changes literally nothing except you spend an eternity on rolling

[rancid cypress]

Heavily disagree this would change weighting in chest pool making uniques much more likely while still not losing your effective pull amount

[pastel crypt]

nobody wants to churn through 300 rerolls

with like 5-7 pulls in each chest

[dull sonnet]

server resest moment

[pastel crypt]

that aswell

[old shard]

mission ideas but

[vale tartan]

backup beat is actually really nice when it’s used

[mellow sequoia]

we're not removing any missions

[rocky herald]

inner peace halving the cap for enemy resistance can be pretty useful
of course that's in the case scenario you end up taking it

[vale tartan]

yeah, i think the issue is not with inner peace itself but rather the fact that it takes away the chance to get a better mission

yeah kinda

what about something that takes away beacon choices

like every challenge you lose one beacon choice to get something like rerolls

hmm

yeah idk it’s just a thought

what if ultimate sacrifice takes away beacon choices instead of boons?

maybe, i mean you could get stuck with one beacon choice and that would kinda suck

[spiral plaza]

2 more missions probably too much

[old shard]

well tbf thats only one bonus mission, since you just used one

[spiral plaza]

yeah and that's too good

[old shard]

but idk if thats a good idea as it would ruin the exclusivity of missions

[spiral plaza]

it should only give u 1 slot so it is use to rr mission

extra mission is crazy

[real nexus]

Isn't stasis cracked with gambling beast because 0:00 doesn't end your lr?

[real nexus]

I know this was a thing, but hmm, I thought stasis synergy was still there

[spiral plaza]

no because it just kill u

stasis just save some time for u

[modest crescent]

yeah gbeast stasis synergy died with the gbeast nerf

[spiral plaza]

although that's not a huge time compare to the time consume

[candid sand]

I've tested the interaction and it doesn't end your run, but you won't get extra rolls from it

It needs to have enough time to consume in the first place to give you the rolls

Still if you want to get more pulls it's decent

And yes this was after the nerf

[dull sonnet]

Why??

[edgy sinew]

There are no beacons to reroll into for bbeat, but stasis and inner peace could see synergies with new missions

[sharp echo]

then add missions that would work with beacon rerolls!!!!

Whenever you reroll your beacon options, make them aqua-boosted. Aqua beacons will no longer appear.

For every 3 beacon rerolls you use, add +1 Challenge.

Whenever you use a beacon reroll, remove one of your curses.

Whenever you use a beacon reroll, add +1 flying chest to your next challenge.

[rancid cypress]

Decent ideas imo

Beacon rr do feel pretty useless unless you have pretty specific synergies going

[sharp echo]

that's true. though I personally don't mind taking bbeat if the other beacon options aren't good for my current setup. the rerolls are especially helpful if you're unlucky with orange beacons

speaking of which:

gain +1 beacon reroll whenever you complete a challenge. reset your beacon option count. orange beacons will no longer appear.

[rocky herald]

Backup Beat is partially annoying just due to how gaining time works
Unless you're spam /kill-ing before each challenge you can't gain as much time as you should for those checks

(Also, where are the missions that change your time cap )

[dull sonnet]

inner peace is alr good for just like farming pulls, stasis is really nice qol and backup beat is indeed useless once you stack white and dgray

[edgy sinew]

Stasis is a good QOL in theory, you kinda just don't need it with a good build

[edgy sinew]

The problem with that is you need rerolls to get any value at all

Dark Summoning - Whenever you get 1800sec added to the timer, add an additional Dark Grey beacon to the pool / Dark Grey beacon can appear once again
||New mission for ctrl f||

[spiral plaza]

dgrey every 4 challenge

[edgy sinew]

I can numbers

[spiral plaza]

now u need to /kill tons

can they make that in a way so that u dont have to /kill anymore?

[edgy sinew]

All the Takebacks - For every 4-5 beacon choices rejected, gain a random boon and an extra pull (reroll = reject all, picking a beacon = reject all others)
||New mission||

You can reword gaining time to "[time] you would gain" or just make it work like that by default

[spiral plaza]

holy shit orange mission!

the main issue is if they want to do

[edgy sinew]

I mean it is an obscenely annoying thing to spam /kill

And it is not casual friendly

So it is in their best interest

Anyway boom 2 organic missions that support bbeat without relying on it

[spiral plaza]

time combo let's go!!

I want a mission that remove clockworker cap

[rancid cypress]

Ya I’ve said it a few times now I think just too lazy to ping it. Have a mission the let’s white break the 15 min cap i#

[edgy sinew]

okay but it is useless on its own no?

like, if you want to do something like higher timer cap it needs to come with a clockworker buff (and maybe slowrunner buff too?)

or some other way to get value from all that time

Chromatic Channelling - Gain an end reward reroll for each different mission colour eхcluding this one.
||new mission||

[spiral plaza]

so maximum 4?

[edgy sinew]

3

[spiral plaza]

we have 5 colors

[edgy sinew]

4 missions, -1 for eхcluding itself

[spiral plaza]

oh yeah

[edgy sinew]

1-3 rrs

ofc this breaks if we get more mission slots*

[spiral plaza]

so just highroller but better maximum

[edgy sinew]

in theory it can be a lowroller too

[spiral plaza]

it actually sucks

probably better change to sacrifice

[edgy sinew]

nah that would be op

[spiral plaza]

if it is sacrifice reward it should be a red mission

[edgy sinew]

honestly disagree

[spiral plaza]

so taking more sac is a waste of mission slot

[edgy sinew]

I don't think redemption is placed correctly as a red mission

[spiral plaza]

because it gives sac?

[edgy sinew]

Sac is just as "risky" as a reroll

[spiral plaza]

what?

[edgy sinew]

Like, when you rr the chest you also refuse the rewards to get something hopefully better

But highroller is yellow and redemtion is red

[spiral plaza]

because one is gambling one is sacrificing

[edgy sinew]

Same thing lol

[spiral plaza]

nah u always get things with rr but get nothing from sac

sac is for making ur next run op

[edgy sinew]

You get the same epulls with sac + daily rr

with a better ceiling

If anything, sac is gambling, not rr

[spiral plaza]

I dont see why this is the reason it is not a red mission

[edgy sinew]

Because you dont risk anything

[spiral plaza]

why red is risk

[rocky herald]

if you really want to get into it, they do the exact same thing
you salvage pulls to try and get something better out of them.
Going by the logic, I'd almost say that High Roller is incorrect as a yellow mission, and should be red

[edgy sinew]

what is the red identity then?

[spiral plaza]

actually eventhough it is red I dont think they are op

[spiral plaza]

they are more like sacrificing smth instead of risky I never feel risky with them, gb can't even kill u before that huge nerf

[edgy sinew]

The nerf was a bugfiх if we trust CTs

[spiral plaza]

TRUE

[edgy sinew]

And ult sac is definitely nothing but a risk

And well gbeast could effectively kill you if you didnt have stasis b4 nerf too

[spiral plaza]

that's not risky that's skill issue

[edgy sinew]

That is very much a risk, just a minor one

because GB design is ass

[spiral plaza]

the only thing I feel risky in lr is smth that instantly scale the mobs

because I can't continue the run anymore

[edgy sinew]

vaqua vdgrey on 2

[spiral plaza]

2.0.3 dgrey

[edgy sinew]

actually aqua doesnt spawn on 1 now

early 2.0.3 dgrey 🔥

[spiral plaza]

let's say no matter it is red or yellow, how can it be op?

[edgy sinew]

It isn't?

or you mean chroma

[spiral plaza]

can it be op with missions combo we have now?

[edgy sinew]

3 sac in one mission is just nuts

[spiral plaza]

but what other missions u gonna take?

imo missions are usually weaker if they are not playing in same color

unless there's no better mission atm aka gb after nerf

[edgy sinew]

equi/cleansing, materialism/ultsac depending on colour, grace/other blue mission

what are the blue missions i genuinely cant remember

[spiral plaza]

50% boons power?

[edgy sinew]

thats it?

[spiral plaza]

yeah 50% higher value

usually u want ritual more than it

[edgy sinew]

no i mean aint no way there is a single blue mission

[spiral plaza]

when u have equili

dont talk about new mission we dont know what we gonna have

[edgy sinew]

anyway equil/cleanse + materialism/ultsac + blue/green new or orphion's grace + chroma

materialism equil grace would be goated for LB/LQ run, esp. if grace got a buff

and you get to sac like 85+% of pulls

[spiral plaza]

it is more like just ritual equili with double sac run

higher sac usually are better when u spamming short run with stacked sac

[edgy sinew]

sure, pick highroll/ultsac + chroma and 2 random blue/green/purp missions

2 rr + 3-4 sac

close to no setup

[spiral plaza]

I rather take highroller with ult sac double sac

so 4 rr

[edgy sinew]

okay but it is guaranteed we will have more mission so get 3/4 on what you want. even if every piece is common, will be less likely

[spiral plaza]

the only thing better I can think about it is that it require less rng after pick

tbh I think we will have a much more op combo than 3sac in one mission

[edgy sinew]

the most important reason why I don't want to highball it to 4 rr or 3 sac is that I want it to get accepted lol

[spiral plaza]

unless all the new missions sucks

[edgy sinew]

oh that would be an awful outcome

what if first mission pick was always out of 5 missions

since we are getting more missions

[spiral plaza]

so dont think that 3 sac in one mission is op it is not free 3 sac, it has limitation

[spiral plaza]

I dont think they are doing it

they want more rng so every run is different

[edgy sinew]

2 sac in one mission is already better than what we have

[spiral plaza]

just make it rare

it is not that op when it is rare

probably rarity between gb and equili?

so u can't get it every run

[edgy sinew]

what if

there was a sac one and a rr one

[spiral plaza]

if they are not in same color they are good combo

[edgy sinew]

yeah

Chromatic Offering - Gain an end reward sacrifice for each different mission colour eхcluding this one. Highly rare mission.
||new mission||

[spiral plaza]

actually probably gb rarity is enough with tons of new missions adding in future

[edgy sinew]

It would be funny if sac one was yellow because it is guaranteed redemption basically, but channeling is red because it can be worse than highroller

[spiral plaza]

I will just take highroller

I can't imagine how green blue and purple combo together

if they can combo together it is probably just one of them too op

[edgy sinew]

Purple and blue combo well, don't need all 3

If you get chroma rr + chroma sac it is 2/4 alr and if you get one of them either yellow or red are open

[spiral plaza]

I dont think u really need blue anymore with purple

[edgy sinew]

There is definitely something there

[spiral plaza]

the only thing I think can combo with blue is equili

[edgy sinew]

Cleansing ritual is good enough alone

If you had a good blue mission to get strong enough to spam more purples, why not

[spiral plaza]

that's not even a combo

just a random mission to make ur run easier

[edgy sinew]

It is just as much of a combo as critual equilibrium

"save 10-20 beacon choices" kind of combo

[spiral plaza]

ritual and equili combo well because one of them produce curses and other one consume curses (also they are op on their own)

and they have multiple function with only 2 missions

[edgy sinew]

Not really, critual equilibrium works because critual covers the only weakness of equilibrium without interfering with it/its playstyle

[spiral plaza]

what is the weakness of equili

[edgy sinew]

It needs extra challenges

[spiral plaza]

is that even a weakness of equili?

it is more like a weakness of every run

[edgy sinew]

That doesn't change that equilibrium lacks in that area

[spiral plaza]

can u really call that weakness?

[edgy sinew]

Like, sure, critual equilibrium work on the same engine but so does inner peace
What matters is the benefits

[edgy sinew]

Yeah, that is what solo equilibrium is weak at

[spiral plaza]

u can still run with solo equili, just less efficient

but without equili u cant really get good rewards with ritual

[edgy sinew]

Yes, I know and I always say that critual+equil is close to overkill

[spiral plaza]

i dont do run with solo equili tho

[edgy sinew]

Because critual doesn't have a good mission to cover for a rather significant lack of combat strength other than equil

Hence critual + good blue mission would very much be a combo

[spiral plaza]

how can this be a good combo

unless that blue mission can give u boons while doing other things like purple (it is literally equili now)

[edgy sinew]

Bruh

Picking up 10 boons or w/e is not an option

[spiral plaza]

do we have any good blue mission design

[edgy sinew]

Yeah, I'd say so

[spiral plaza]

if we have a mission that give u boons when gaining time is it a blue or green?

[edgy sinew]

I think trigger > effect for colour priority?

So green

Equilibrium is purple>blue
Cleansing greed is yellow>purple

[spiral plaza]

actually why we dont have a green for combat

can we have a green for combat?

[edgy sinew]

Why not

[spiral plaza]

so green can extend ur life(time) and stop mobs scaling for one challenge and now even give u combat buff

[edgy sinew]

This is a combat-ish green

[spiral plaza]

why we dont have combat green at the first place

[edgy sinew]

This is a good blue

[spiral plaza]

they are kind of useless in most situation now

[edgy sinew]

This had good blues (end of the thread)

[spiral plaza]

are they trying to make green become smth more utility?

[edgy sinew]

Idk

It is just annoying to make green missions

[spiral plaza]

they look like that (or just because we have only 2 green)

[edgy sinew]

Well i'd argue current ones suck because they didn't cook long enough

Green is kind of limited by the fact you are always gaining/spending time but also by the fact you don't really care about time

[spiral plaza]

tbh beacon rr is more like a challenge place rr

[rocky herald]

this has gotta stop happening

[edgy sinew]

ez materialism/hroller?

B-G-G is like guaranteed the worst

[rocky herald]

high rolled

it taunts. it hates and it laughs all the same. a hand for a sock puppet to only speak rhymes and dissapointment
(it was redemption)

[pastel crypt]

redemption is great

[rocky herald]

I did not get to finish redemption
I got no white beacons

[sharp echo]

yes pls

[edgy sinew]

Vivid Reminiscence - At the end of every third challenge, if the last 3 chosen beacons were all of different colours, get their effects again. More missions cannot be chosen this way.
||New Mission||

[pastel crypt]

+1 ^^

[spiral plaza]

good mission

this mission can make beacon rr great again

[real nexus]

Holyshit more than 3 grays if it wasn't the last mission

[spiral plaza]

wait i forgot about grey

it should not work with grey

[edgy sinew]

oh yeah definitely

[real nexus]

Let your intrusive thoughts win

Or just make it ultra rare or something

[pastel crypt]

it should work with white, dgray and gray

its rare and hard to pull off, definitely a dream

[edgy sinew]

white and white

[pastel crypt]

[edgy sinew]

It is too easy to pull off with greys tbh

[pastel crypt]

only one you can realistically pull it off with is open chests no? since 1 mission at a time

[edgy sinew]

Gain boons/curses/time is possible in 1 challenge too

boons х/1 is a possible roll

[pastel crypt]

boons defo isnt since its usually 2/3, and you cant do that within the 3 challenges to proc the mission effect of duping beacons

like you have gray - blue - purple, or lets say gray - aqua - green

to proc the beacons again, thats not alot of window to complete the quests

[edgy sinew]

vgreen is enough in sky/cork if you need 8 minutes for mission

or simply 2 chals

gray-aqua-dgray

we do a little bit of trolling

[pastel crypt]

definitely a cool mission though, alot of different choices, and its not unga bunga i picked equilibrium so i have a guaranteed god run

😂

[edgy sinew]

Yeah, and odd number of beacons means you need 2 different cycles at least

[spiral plaza]

aqua purple yellow with beacon rr to do materialism and purple at the same time

[dull sonnet]

its kinda good with gb but i guess for it to actually have a reason to exist thered need to be some more missions that drain your time or limit it in some way

[edgy sinew]

Yeah

But that is just the bane of all time missions

[real nexus]

I mean, makes last gb nerf not affecting it at all

which means you can still get a quite large amount of pulls (after last nerf usually not so much unless you can stall very well)

[edgy sinew]

Doesn't it still eat you to 0s?

[edgy sinew]

i dont think that is needed

[rancid cypress]

@mellow sequoia any opinions on some of the recent ideas? I’ve been in and out of this thread a bit the past few days but I’ve been busy

[real nexus]

It does but apparently doesn't end your run

[edgy sinew]

Ik, but it is still quite hard to climb out and the most time you can sac is 16m

Even less since you won't complete an objective instantly

posts a mid take
clueless reacts whoever disagrees
doesn't elaborate
leaves
Anyway, if some colour fixing was added i'd much rather prefer "all offered missions can't be of the same colour" rather than completely disallow 2+ missions of same colour. There isn't anything wrong with getting, say, 2 yellow missions out of 4 choices
And if all missions offered have to be of different colours that makes chances of getting certain missions very skewed, especially with 5 choices due to colour imbalances which definitely will be present (there are almost no purple missions suggested iirc, for example)

[spiral plaza]

no same colour mission is ok if we getting tons of new missions

[edgy sinew]

I think at least 2 of the same colour should be allowed

[spiral plaza]

if we have similar effect mission in different colours we dont really need it

[edgy sinew]

It is just a change that achieves nothing

Oh no you can get 3 mission choices that synergize bad oh noes

[spiral plaza]

it can remove some situation like multiple same type missions trigger together and become insanely op

[edgy sinew]

Again, doesn't exactly solve the problem

[spiral plaza]

what problem are we solving

[edgy sinew]

Idk!

[spiral plaza]

wtf...

[edgy sinew]

Don't fix what isn't broken

[spiral plaza]

that's why i said it is ok if we getting tons of new missions

[edgy sinew]

I guess i misinterpreted your first msg, my bad

[spiral plaza]

yeah it is ok but not a must needed ( it might be a good idea to solve problem if they messed up again )

[edgy sinew]

Without having any stats on mission appearance chances (and also mission/color numbers with new missions included) it is hard to tell what would happen with such a change

[mellow sequoia]

difficult to find good ideas amongst all the yapping (respectfully)

im cautious of people making mission ideas that are OP because they want an easier time lootrunning

[spiral plaza]

for op do u mean op for combo or op in single?

[mellow sequoia]

both

[spiral plaza]

does a combo that req 4 rare missions and can get 1000 raw pulls with 0 rr op?

actually should be higher epulls

[mellow sequoia]

1000 raw pulls is a lot, but if it requires 4 rare missions (lets say 0.1% chance of happening) then no thats not op

if it required 1 rare mission and a common mission though, for example, that would be op

[spiral plaza]

because we are getting more missions that means it is harder to get specific combo right? so idk what is op

what about only 2 rare missions and give u huge reward?

[mellow sequoia]

id rather larger rewards be more tied to time investment and difficulty of content than just luck

[spiral plaza]

does time investment means combo or missions that harder to get?

[spiral plaza]

i mean because missions are full rng so it is hard to tied right? so if u want it be tied that means high reward combo/mission harder to get(which means higher rng req)?

[rocky herald]

new Blue mission
Waffling: Gain 5% damage every second you spend on a challenge
(numbers may warrant tweaking.)

finally, we may know what they were waffling about

[rocky herald]

I clarify this resets after each challenge. Whoops.

[sharp echo]

feels like a boon ngl

[sharp echo]

#1171931570261729311 message

#1171931570261729311 message

#1171931570261729311 message

#1171931570261729311 message (pretty weird to balance but the idea might give some inspo)

#1171931570261729311 message

#1171931570261729311 message

#1171931570261729311 message (this one's 4 mission suggestions in a row)

#1171931570261729311 message

here's some more from me!!

[sharp echo]

there's also this guy's messages. they add a "new mission" at the end of their suggestions so you can search for em

[sharp echo]

i completely missed this but yes that's a really good point

they would only produce significant results if you have bbeat, and even bbeat isn't that good at giving rerolls bc of the 15m time limit

maybe make a beacon give beacon rerolls? orange, maybe?

[spiral plaza]

what is this

[sharp echo]

the message I replied to was referring to my beacon reroll missions

also mission idea to make you not want rainbow beacons!!

whenever you complete a non-vibrant challenge, gain +3 extra pulls.

heck or even something to make rainbow even better, like

completing a vibrant challenge will grant you +1 flying chest

[old shard]

New mission suggestion, Counter balance: Gain +1 pull per challenge completed for each reroll you currently have. This will sacrifice all your current rerolls.

Here's an example of how it would work; by challenge 25 I have 40 pulls and 2 rerolls (120 effective pulls) I complete this mission and now i have 40 + 25 * 2 = 90 pulls and 0 rerolls (90 effective pulls) You may be wondering, why would anyone accept this? It has two main benefits, 1) End rewards sacrifices, this combines well with end rewards sacrifices because it allows you to stack up many pulls to go towards your next run
2) build up pulls for long runs by sacrificing your first rerolls early to midway through then getting more rerolls resulting in a high effective pull count at the end.
Let me know if this is a stupid idea, or too overpowered or whatever else you think.

[spiral plaza]

does this mean u can still get rr after this mission?

[old shard]

yes

[edgy sinew]

I'd rather have it be more dynamic but disable rerolls completely

[vale tartan]

this, but rainbow beacons only last for like 20 challenges, like orange

and possibly they can appear multiple times but idk

[rocky herald]

#1171931570261729311 message
Globus glinted

[sharp echo]

photos printed?

[sharp echo]

from this thread i kinda learned that putting something so powerful behind an rng would be frustrating. this fixes this somewhat, however consider this:

rainbow beacon will not appear for the first 20 challenges, but will appear right after that. not taking the rainbow beacon will make it appear less likely until it's completely removed from the beacon pool (kinda like gray)

^not a mission idea but a beacon change idea

this would heavily punish short runs but uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk

[dull sonnet]

cant aquastack vgray anymore

[edgy sinew]

But it gives more value to orange beacons and beacon rerolls

[sharp echo]

wait why

[dull sonnet]

*you can but its highly unlikely

or unless you would wait until challenge 20 to finish your mission

[sharp echo]

that's true

[sharp echo]

yeahhh it would suck to not have a lot of mission options with more missions

[dull sonnet]

also, lootrunning as a whole seems to be balanced around you getting rainbow or not getting further than like 30 challenges

[rancid cypress]

Tbh I’m gonna be really disappointed if I can’t get back to my mythical 3000+ potential pulls. One of the “fun” parts of 2.03 was really pushing the extreme limits of curse runs by the end. I think the best I ever got was 2400+ pulls or something

Again idc about mythic rates just big number big lots of dopamine

[rancid cypress]

I rlly liked 2.03 cause you could pretty consistently get to that “hard large time investment” by being smart and having good beacon pathing and not just controlled by rng of a few “rare” missions. I much rather reward be tied to how “smart” I charted the run and not exclusively “rng” mission

Idk I’m yapping about nothing just reading that made me think of 2.03

I’m of the opinion makes “runs” op and rewards “lackluster” rather than have runs feel “lackluster” and rewards be “op”

[rancid cypress]

Idk. I lr an entire patch and now I’d rather get whipped by wet towels then do more lrs rn

[edgy sinew]

the riveting gameplay of orange rainbow 10 red 10 green 2 aqua grey 2 aqua dgrey every run, so smart

[rancid cypress]

Idk personal preference? Currently it’s “riveting gameplay” of get cleanse or equalib or just end the run. It’s much less “fun” for me

[rancid cypress]

The fact the thread about mythic data being so dead shows majority of the ppl who enjoyed the old system do not like the new system. And since ppl who “seem” to like the new system are not imputing their data it just looks like everyone hates this new system

[modest crescent]

its honestly the same for me, what killed my interest in lring over time is how common mythics are.. i havent felt the mythic dopamine rush since the very first 2 weeks of 2.0.3

[rancid cypress]

^

[modest crescent]

the system has had its ups and downs both in 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 and ultimately they are both meh, i just want the purple dopamine rush 😭

[mellow sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1129915525531701278/togif.gif

shut up elitist, cheap mythics are good for the economy

[edgy sinew]

1. new lrs in general arent the new shiny thing anymore
2. mythic prices are dead so there is less incentive to lr
3. thread was dead before 2.0.4

[wet rain]

The Decision is final:
We shall remove mythics and add them after a decade

[modest crescent]

😭
jokes aside i dont even care about the price as much (but the price is closely connected to wether finding a mythic feels rewarding or not so i guess i sorta do)

[edgy sinew]

And the mission pool is still really low considering many missions are useless

[mellow sequoia]

BLOCKED.

[modest crescent]

dang

[mellow sequoia]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1130986600701108274/togif.gif

[pure gale]

can we honestly e date? you’re so beautiful. You always make me laugh, you always make me smile. You literally make me want to become a better person… I really enjoy every moment we spend together. My time has no value unless its spent with you. I tell everyone of my irls how awesome you are. Thank you for being you. Whenever you need someone to be there for you, know that i’ll always be right there by your side. I love you so much. I don’t think you ever realize how amazing you are sometimes. Life isn’t as fun when you’re not around. You are truly stunning. I want you to be my soulmate. I love the way you smile, your eyes are absolutely gorgeous. If I had a star for everytime you crossed my mind i could make the entire galaxy. Your personality is as pretty as you are and thats saying something. I love you, please date me. I am not even calling it e dating anymore because I know we will meet soon enough heart OK I ADMIT IT I LOVE YOU OK i hecking love you and it breaks my heart when i see you play with someone else or anyone commenting in your profile i just want to be your girlfriend and put a heart in my profile linking to your profile and have a walltext of you commenting cute things i want to play video games talk in discord all night and watch a movie together but you just seem so uninsterested in me it hecking kills me and i cant take it anymore i want to remove you but i care too much about you so please i’m begging you to eaither love me back or remove me and never contact me again it hurts so much to say this because i need you by my side but if you dont love me then i want you to leave because seeing your icon in my friendlist would kill me everyday of my pathetic life.

[mellow sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/blank-stare-homelander-antony-starr-the-boys-dead-inside-gif-25853869

elitist blocked

[pure gale]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-plinko-gif-23007413

its a tough balancing act cause we have to make lrs feel fun and worthwhile without mythics being worthless

not sure

[mellow sequoia]

not public info

[pure gale]

but its pretty rare now

[mellow sequoia]

but no at this point killing rates even more is a fools errand and will just make lootrunning useless

the issue is the damage thats already been done. its an issue that will fix itself over a few years, but id rather implement a mythic drain system to fix it

[pure gale]

"disco run" requires you to already own a disco

[rancid cypress]

My “answer” to this is have more “consumable” items that r in reward chest. Have items I want to get every single time but will consistently have uses for it cause it’s a consumable like “speed surges”

[pure gale]

we care about accessibility

[mellow sequoia]

i think we all need to realize that cheap mythics are actually a good thing for the game. now regular players can do things like beat EO and LI without needing to grind for HUNDREDS of hours

[pure gale]

idk if people want more filler

[rancid cypress]

Let them choose the filter then

Why force players to have 16 tomes when they r usless

[mellow sequoia]

toss them out

[rancid cypress]

Type of idea

[pure gale]

cheap mythics were funny for like a week and then it just went "oh god"

[rancid cypress]

Still takes room in the chest that other items I would want would take

[mellow sequoia]

buuns what you are asking for will not be implemented

[rancid cypress]

Idk item filter seems so easy for me to implement

[modest crescent]

"Oh God I'm no longer feeling the slightest bit of joy when I find a mythic"

[rancid cypress]

Why force players to be stuck to the whims of the “developers filter”

[modest crescent]

That's what I'm doing sadly

[pure gale]

i still feel joy when i get a mythic from a daily in a festival

cause i dont play the game

[edgy sinew]

mythics are a bad chase item idea in general, cosmetics, vanity trikets, etc are just way more healthy

[rancid cypress]

Especially when multiple players are saying specifically tomes are extremely annoying with how they take up 1/3 of reward chest slots on big pull runs

[modest crescent]

Salted already said he doesn't want a tier above mythic if I'm not mistaken

[mellow sequoia]

❌

[modest crescent]

Yeah but cosmetic in wynn just aren't the same as cosmetics in other games :/

[rancid cypress]

Tealy plz explain defending tome filter I truly don’t understand

[mellow sequoia]

i run a casino

[mellow sequoia]

weird archaic confusing fix to a small issue

[edgy sinew]

shinies have too many problems but the idea is cool

[rancid cypress]

Just letting player “blacklist/whitelist” certain items cause they are extremely common conpaired to what I might by trying to “target farm”

[modest crescent]

Shinies when they offer almost no vanity value at all besides a glow that you have to closely stare at to see and I think is clientsided but don't quote me on that

[rancid cypress]

Also I don’t think 1/3 of your reward chest being filled with usless items is a small problem

I’ve been raving about it since the start of the lring update

[mellow sequoia]

you can sell tomes

[rancid cypress]

For like 4 emerald blocks of profit?

[edgy sinew]

tomes are overvalued in chest loot

[rancid cypress]

^

[mellow sequoia]

buuns what else should you be able to filter out

[edgy sinew]

suggest a good one 💀

link?

[rancid cypress]

Imo every items. If I want to souly farm ruins by lring I should have the choice to be able to

Is that a bad take?

[pure gale]

me when i filter out every non mythic item 😎

[rancid cypress]

I don’t rrly understand why it would be. If I “generated” the item and I prioritize it when not let me have it over a dumb tome

[mellow sequoia]

buuns this is confusing and niche and unnecessary

[rancid cypress]

I’m just saying if I would want “aquamarine” and it’s in the pool let me choose to filter it over tomes that r uselsss

I think players would enjoy that qol change

[edgy sinew]

fanum taх is fun, wouldnt call it something that outstanding though

this is just 💀 tho

[rancid cypress]

I mean I generated the item but it gets deleted cause some developers thought I’d rather have a tome? Like it’s just dumb to me

[rancid cypress]

Someone actually address this instead of changing the subject

[edgy sinew]

just like 2 lootrun tomes every week in each camp

[rancid cypress]

Also an option. If I would see all 200 pulls I generated that would be a better fix imo

Agree

[edgy sinew]

wynn coders adding a second page of loot: mission impossible

[rancid cypress]

Maybe the entire pull system is a flawed system then????

I generated a pull how about you give it to me?

[edgy sinew]

it is too late to change how pulls work tbh

[rancid cypress]

It’s not to late for anything imo

[edgy sinew]

salvage it by reducing chances of every common item by 75% (multiplicative) and add 1-2 ems in that 75% chance

[rancid cypress]

Almost like you’d expect to be able to do if there wasnt some weird ass filter

It’s more like after 70+ pulls you active hurt your chest by getting useless items like tomes. The only “benefit” is the mythic chance and that lame to base almost everything around mythics

[edgy sinew]

new mission: Knowledge Moratorium - lootrun tomes will not appear in the end reward chest. Gain an end reward reroll.

You lose like 10ems on average?

Yeah

[edgy sinew]

You need like 100 pull runs to get runes (optimally i mean)

[rancid cypress]

1/3 of chest is tomes….

[edgy sinew]

isnt this old

[pastel crypt]

aint no world where you want some common items over two mythics and heaps of le

[rancid cypress]

What if there is

[rancid cypress]

Yes but 1000 pulls still very possible with multi sac strats

Just saying if/when it’s a thing having your chest be 1/3 tome is very annoying

[edgy sinew]

It is, but in reality you'd get an item you want earlier

[rancid cypress]

Not if I just specified was able to filter out tomes….

[edgy sinew]

sounds like a tomes issue more than annything

[rancid cypress]

If I specifically filters out every items besides aquamarine maybe I’d get 13-20 of them but like….

[edgy sinew]

Like, it isnt viable to create a filter system just because tomes are poorly implemented

[rancid cypress]

Idk I’ll hop off the topic but reward chest filter should be a player controlled thing not some random dev. That’s my 2 cents

It’s like a dev has already “made” a filter to what they “think” I will want but it doesn’t really work the way certain players will want to play leaving this bitter taste of “well I would perfer this item but it’s being deleted for this useless item that holds no value to me but some random ass dev that hasn’t been on in 3 + months still thinks is relevant” idk it’s that type of stuff that lead people to stop playing.

[edgy sinew]

IMO missions should add different viable ways to achieve similar end results, whatever those are

[rancid cypress]

^

[rancid cypress]

Imo missions should be balance in a way to make short runs and long runs both equally as fun and rewarding to do

[edgy sinew]

Equally rewarding per time spent, I assume

I find it hard to make missions that would reward short runs without being too polarising or unsatisfactory weak

Because all combat risk you can add is voided due to equilibrium eхisting

I guess you can cook something with challenge cap and/or time

[rancid cypress]

Having flat value would help short runs while not making longer runs enherently better. Example mission reward +30-50 pulls flat

Flat rewards help short runs scaling rewards help long runs

[little sun]

accepting rewards should drop all pulled items on the floor and make the player sift through them

[rancid cypress]

Yan putting a troll face reaction doesn’t stop basic game design theory?

I’m very confused by your use of reactions

[pure gale]

short runs arent meant to be good

[rancid cypress]

There meant to be viable tho? Or are long runs suppose to be meta? I prefer long runs anyways I just would think you would also cater to ppl who don’t want to sit down for 3 hrs to lr

The whole point of lring is only mythics?

[pure gale]

why ever do a long run if a short run can give you really good rewards

[rancid cypress]

Cause restarting runs is annoying

10 hr lr…

Don’t get me wrong I enjoy long runs. Just I don’t think everyone does

[rancid cypress]

There’s alot of different reason to perfer one over the other

So force everyone to do long runs cause you enjoy them?

[pure gale]

😭 we're not forcing anyone to do long runs its just obviously better to reward a long lootrun more than a short one

[rancid cypress]

?

[rancid cypress]

I’m just saying balance lring in a way to where short runs can also be a viable strategy?

[pure gale]

you have to be trolling

[edgy sinew]

that is like avg tho lol

[pure gale]

im not even gonna argue this anymore it should be quite clear why a long run should be significantly better than a short run

[rancid cypress]

Me when he doesn’t debunk anything I say goes to try to insult me then blocks me cause idc about his middle schooler level insults…

[rancid cypress]

It’s not rlly an agrument it’s just balancing a system to allow different styles of gameplay?

[rancid cypress]

Long runs can still be better than short. Just to me currently there is ZERO reason to do a short run unless you are specifically target farming a unqiue that isn’t in common loot pools. It feels like an extremely niche thing compared to just letting to turn into a semi viable strategy. I don’t understand the extreme push back to saying short runs should be a semi viable strategy aswell as long runs. By making long runs meta you are kinda forcing players to do long runs?

[edgy sinew]

balance wise a short run has to be somewhat inferior

because you can convert a short run into a long runn

but not otherwise

[rancid cypress]

Ya I’m not trying to say make short runs better than long runs just let them be relevant in the meta? How is that so controversial

[rancid cypress]

Flat caps makes short runs good while not breaking long runs?

[pure gale]

its almost like short runs take 0 effort compared to a long run

[edgy sinew]

Giving flat pulls in a mission is a shit idea, how is that controversial

[rancid cypress]

Cause it making scaling/long runs mindlessly meta?

?

[edgy sinew]

you can design fun payoffs for short runs that don't just say "end the run"

[rancid cypress]

I just disagree is a stat race anyways? It’s not like long lrs are hard if you are above the curve with boons. It’s all just a long rng check

Yan how many lrs have you done?

Ya so I’m just gonna disregard ur opinion no offense

On what points?

I just cause 3 ppl don’t enjoy short runs doesn’t mean it isn’t neglected

This is bad?

Equalib runs way less effort way more reward than anything else?

Effort only= time?

Lmao no effort means a lot more than that holy shit

It’s like talking with an 8 yr old

Ya this is why I just am gonna disregard everything you say respectfully

It’s the proof of concept the flat values help short runs or is that too complicated to get thru ur monkey skull

[pure gale]

what effort is there in a short run? in long runs, you actually go far enough for mob power scaling to get pretty rough. there's also a time investment in long runs. short runs are a joke

[rancid cypress]

Disagree I know quite a few ppl who prefer shorter runs

[edgy sinew]

long run difficulty is invalidated by equilibrium IMO

[rancid cypress]

^

It’s all bullshit to me imo

[edgy sinew]

it is a mission that actively hurts everything and limits the design space a lot

[pure gale]

well that doesnt mean short runs should have meaningful rewards lol

[rancid cypress]

Like I’ve said I perfer long runs it’s just why not design a system to work for multiple play styles nkt everyone has 3 hrs to sit down and lr

[pure gale]

the concern should be more with nerfing equilibrium so that it becomes less of a joke