#Banish The Beyond Feedback Thread

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spring needle
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It has its niche and it can crush teams that arent able to counter it

vagrant fog
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The lag be real currently, spirit can’t even hit people

dim tulip
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the niche for terror is bunker

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outside bunker terror has 0 chance unless survivors are bad

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give terror wave spell as a buff like

polar blade
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idk if intentional or not but u can both power a well and destroy a burrow at the same time

safe junco
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@ocean marsh

ocean marsh
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indeed that is not intentional

near slate
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When all Surprise Strike is used for is the rng fest of auditorium 2nd floor

safe junco
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surprise strike is quite good

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i think you are simply coping

polar blade
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what does auditorium second floor even mean

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upstairs in bunker…? the top floor of the church in woods…?

wintry cliff
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This thing clearly

near slate
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Is it church?

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I never really thought about it

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And all I've ever seen anybody but myself use surprise strike for is the sections where it's just a stupid amount of lockers too close to one another

polar blade
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some sort of chapel or something idk

near slate
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Also please make pfinder consider a world being crashed or with like 20% lag whilst finding you a world to be flung into

gentle tulip
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pfinder picking worlds that begin the restart process 2 minutes into the game saltroll

polar blade
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pfinder choosing potentially laggy worlds has been an issue ever since the feature was released

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it’s been improved a lot over time and I don’t think you can just make it perfectly select every time

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especially when the server as a whole today seems to be struggling

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anyways surprise strike can also be used if there’s a locker near a well some teammates are powering or the lockers near the gates on bunker while someone else is opening

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it’s still not the most consistent ability but it’s pretty solid

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it’s far from my first pick but there’s also a lot of other garbage I’d take it over

civic token
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its been bad recently cuz a lot of worlds r laggy now

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world two >:)

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also for some reason a lot fo plp r invisd in pfidnedr now

lucid wolf
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Wasn't able to get a screenshot but just had a glitch where the exit gates were closed after being 100% opened?

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one other guy and i were at an exit gate, it opened, we escaped. then the two remaining people ran to the other side's gate but were chased so they booked it back to the gate we opened. when they got there the mf was CLOSED but the lever read "100%"

ocean marsh
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ah

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yeah thats an unfortunate case of chunk unloading

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very little i can do about it

lucid wolf
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just fix chunk unloading sounds like /j

ocean marsh
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cant

lucid wolf
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hey you can do whatever you put your mind to lexnt. dont you ever give up on yourself or sell yourself short

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reach for the stars my friend. for all you know, you might be the one to..... fix lag 🥹

ocean marsh
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the possibility of chunk unloading is why the maps arent bigger

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this is like. just about as big as we can get them before chunk unloading becomes more than a very rare occurance

azure yoke
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Does unsnaring a snare permanently reduce the Terror's max snares?

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It should, if it doesn't.

ocean marsh
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it doesn't

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intentionally

azure yoke
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Aw, darn, I thought it did.

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Disarming snares seems not that good.

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What's the point if they can just be reset, and it sort-of alerts the spirit to your location?

ocean marsh
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the point is to be able to move past them without triggering them

azure yoke
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hmmmm

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i feel like it still isn't worth it to disarm

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just sneak past

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my favorite thing about bunker is how i can be in the walls

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last game i was powering a well, heard spirit, and just hit shift because i was in the walls

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they broke the well then left

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and i went right back to powering it

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it was so fun

peak lance
ocean marsh
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you can sneak past but then you might trigger it later

azure yoke
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But the spirit can just immediately replace disarmed snares!

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They see where their snare has gone missing, immediately head over, and put it back!

chrome dirge
lucid wolf
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i’ve played quite a few games as terror, it’s definitely my most played spirit. traps coming back makes sense

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2 ways u can play around them:

  1. disarming them doesn’t immediately tell terror where u are unless ur stupid about it. if they’ve placed all 10 of them and u disarm one, chances are they have no clue where u are.

  2. not disarming them is also a good strategic option. often times, snares can give me (or whoever is playing terror) a false sense of security of having an area “covered” so they won’t go check on it as often. u can use this to ur advantage and charge wells surrounded by snares. also by the end of the game if ur trying to open the gates, and the terror has a ton of their traps already placed, they’re literally useless.

lucid wolf
near slate
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Basically never disarm a snare if you don't need to (This includes having stupid teammates who will run into a snare WHILE IT IS IN PLAIN SIGHT)

jagged yarrow
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please fix spirit XIII its bugged for some people and you cant reveal it

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it wont reveal for me after bringing spirit XVII

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it revealed before

tired wedge
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wrong channel

jagged yarrow
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dont say forums

tired wedge
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So...

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I won't

jagged yarrow
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ok

snow steppe
tired wedge
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no...

polar blade
jagged yarrow
tired wedge
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It is tho...

vagrant fog
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Did y’all make it so rat’s burrows get destroyed faster, or did I get completely outplayed

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And the people didn’t glow for some reason

polar blade
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u gotta be in a certain range to see players glowing breaking burrows

vagrant fog
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Oof

ocean marsh
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will fix soon though

jagged yarrow
near slate
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More so about the things that come with the event, can the wisp be made a ranged attacker?

safe junco
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what

near slate
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Could the Wisp pet be a ranged attacker

spring needle
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i dont think so

near slate
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I'd really just love a ranged pet that I don't have to pay a ton to have be useful

peak lance
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none of the pets are ranged

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pets barely do anything anyways, and they cant die so what advantage could there possibly be to being ranged

near slate
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Being more consistently useful

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Also broken ankles overrides the speed boost from injured

peak lance
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in the first place the damage pets do is peanuts

low wedge
peak lance
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yes but combat wise

low wedge
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early game pets are great combat wise

near slate
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I think them being ranged means I don't have to run at the enemy for my pet to attack

near slate
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And that's useful for half the classes bc they aren't melee

peak lance
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all the classes can play melee if they don't build for spells

peak lance
chrome dirge
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my snare tp didnt work a couple times

steep saffron
polar blade
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does it really matter

near slate
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Yes

vast shell
polar blade
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escape beacon rng is pretty wild

ocean marsh
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thats funny

polar blade
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feel like most games where im the last player or the spirit it just always either spawns next to me or the spirit

safe junco
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the escape beacon experience

lucid wolf
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pfinder being funny per usual

rich sinew
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3 parties with 4; 4 and 3 people

lucid wolf
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yeah lol

lucid wolf
rich sinew
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uh oh

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wynncraft has a lot of features like

lucid wolf
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finally got one

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heartbeat glitch 😭

spring needle
lucid wolf
spring needle
lucid wolf
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There was no heartbeat until after they hit me

spring needle
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and you're aware that rat loses its heartbeat for 5s after leaving a burrow

vast shell
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mechanic

lucid wolf
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hmmmmmmmmmmm

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i didnt hear burrow audio but maybe just... didnt hear it

spring needle
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its p quiet

lucid wolf
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i was not aware that the rat loses heartbeat

vast shell
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burrow is a quieter sound right

spring needle
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ye

lucid wolf
fathom fossil
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How

vast shell
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skull

long meteor
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funny bug where a locker was perma glowing for me as a spirit

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like from the start of the game

lucid wolf
# fathom fossil How

got downed early cuz rat spawned near me. inconventient spot to rez so i lost a life from death timer, then i was revived only for heartbeat glitch to happen and ended up dying

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so i basically spent the whole game unable to do anything

long meteor
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tbh only 3 was kinda impressive for that game

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the other two people didn't know how to revive at all that's why waiter didn't get revived

lucid wolf
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i thought they were still close but i guess not

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sadge

long meteor
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no they like

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legit did not know how

lucid wolf
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that last game was something else

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bro wanted us to mind read

long meteor
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one of them spent like 10s trying to figure out how before I told him

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like literally just standing on my grave swapping items

lucid wolf
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i remember seeing the "shift" in the party chat 😭

fathom fossil
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Wynncraft players do not read

polar blade
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damn bro what were u doing to get 3 essence in 13 minutes 😭

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did u just get targeted from the start

long meteor
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^ died like two minutes in from bad teammates and then stuck around for the rest of the game

lucid wolf
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this is too funny

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PINNA I JUST EXPLAINED HOW IT HAPPENED LIKE 6 MESSAGES UP

polar blade
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Cuz the image is the first thing I saw when I opened the thread

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That was so embarrassing I had to ask what happened

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Don’t care about other peoples messages

lucid wolf
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😛

indigo plume
polar blade
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ngl this well has always felt like a death trap against any competent spirit

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same for the pit well in woods

near slate
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Instant stun for the spirit on top floor of church

steep saffron
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one half of wells are placed in about the most blatantly open areas of the map you could think of
the other half are placed in the most niche, isolated corners of the map, to the point that you'll never actually go there unless you're specifically looking for that well

lucid wolf
chrome dirge
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that one has like an actual escape route + you can hope the spirit gets janked with jump fatigue

polar blade
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both are death traps really

polar blade
chrome dirge
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idk I havent gotten hit when powering that well usually

polar blade
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against any competent spirit you’re usually guaranteed to take at least one hit which sucks

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god help you if you get both those wells, and the upper well when taking the ladder

chrome dirge
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though to be fair I mostly play pfinder

polar blade
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game basically becomes unwinnable against an ok player

chrome dirge
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we gave up on wells, waited out the timer, and got both gates

ocean marsh
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we're probably not going to be making any more changes for this year, but feedback will be taken into account for next year's event

chrome dirge
ocean marsh
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that is the exception

chrome dirge
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me omw to spend countless hours looking for bugs with 4 alt accounts

polar blade
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i mean if it’s literally impossible to win then I’ll just wait it out but I prefer to avoid doing that whenever possible

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i want to try and win

chrome dirge
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to be fair it was like 2 minutes left

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and it was so incredibly boring

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Crouton was the spirit in that game

polar blade
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make a minigame for blizzard with just one month’s time 🔥🔥🔥

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it’ll be so easy

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surely

chrome dirge
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doesnt blizzard have like 3 minigames already

polar blade
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it’s the wynnter fair

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you can’t really call any of the things in it a true minigame

vagrant fog
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the person who was healing me got killed

chrome dirge
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Moment

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Also you can heal someone while being healed

vagrant fog
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They were lone

rough otter
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easy to just stand behind a pillar when they dont know to check

polar blade
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what.

rough otter
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theres a few pillars for things like that

polar blade
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not sure you can possibly think there are any death traps for a spirit but you can also just… take 2 seconds to check corners

chrome dirge
polar blade
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and if the well has progress then you usually know that someone was there

rough otter
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not a bug smh!11!

ocean marsh
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i remember adding a check for it

chrome dirge
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I cba to log into forums rn but maybe later

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It happened yesterday

ocean marsh
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wild

rough otter
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why wouldnt you want to be able to heal people who are healing you tho

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like you and a bud healing eachother

chrome dirge
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I was healing a 3rd person while being healed

ocean marsh
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healing should take up the entire actions of two people

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the person healing and the person being healed

polar blade
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it should be a bit of a time waste

rough otter
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weird

chrome dirge
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Yeah idk

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Might’ve been lag idk

ocean marsh
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i mean i believe you that theres a bug

chrome dirge
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I didn’t clip it unfortunately

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But it was very weird, the overlay for being healed and the overlay for healing were kinda fighting for priority

long meteor
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yeah that can also happen with spirit stun/destroy/attack cooldowns

chrome dirge
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I think you might still be able to stand on some barriers in graveyard but I haven’t tested in a bit

ocean marsh
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maybe

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the barriers dont go all the way up so they dont block spectators

vast shell
safe junco
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Linny you are giving me flashbacks to when you play with me 😭

near slate
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Broken Ankles overrides injured speed

ocean marsh
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thats nice

civic token
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:3

lucid wolf
steep saffron
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factor of skill

polar blade
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finally. a way to power pit well

civic token
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me wehhn i totem in pit well as a strategy >:)

quaint sentinel
quaint sentinel
polar blade
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im bored so i wanna make a perk tier list

s: parkour, fight and flight, blood rush
a: broken ankles, tactical retreat, not done yet, get out of here, surprise strike
b: vanishing act, healing streak, renewed hope, survivor syndrome, premonition
c: light in the tunnel, common knowledge, narnia, countermeasures, dire motivation, ironwood blockade
d: lone soldier

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theyre not in any order

vast shell
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s: parkour, fight and flight, blood rush
a: broken ankles, tactical retreat, not done yet, get out of here, surprise strike
b: vanishing act, healing streak, renewed hope, survivor syndrome, premonition, ironwood blockade
c: light in the tunnel, common knowledge, narnia, countermeasures, dire motivation, lone soldier (goes higher depending on party)

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personally

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premonition also goes to c depending on spirit

polar blade
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im ngl i like never take premonition

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its kind of annoying honestly

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but i put it in b because it has usage... i think

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could be c

safe junco
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Personally I put countermeasures higher up because I'm not the best at keeping track of blockades and stuff, but generally agree with everything else

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Healing streak also depends on the people you are playing with imo

ocean marsh
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im a lone soldier enthusiast

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is it the best perk ever? god no

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but its funny

wintry cliff
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its funny to play against lone soldiers as keeper, easy oneshots

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speaking of keeper, do you get bonus points for the spirit missing if you nearly get shot, or do you have to be close to the spirit for it to work?

ocean marsh
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i think its only if youre close

wintry cliff
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Good to know

gentle loom
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Vanishing Act should be S tier

polar blade
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it could maybe be a

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it’s just alright though I think

civic token
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light in the tunnel is honestly rpetty good now that u can take it after wells r powered and get healed

vast shell
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oh what

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that’s good

civic token
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i love using it when i want to gert poitns from spirit at end by dodgin attacs

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premonitions is kinda ass

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idk when u would use it

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most of the time u want to greed a well anwyays and if ud ont u can jsut look around

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;3

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in a good pfinder and no vc(rare!) common knowlefge is nice

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narnia is simlar to surpise strike tbh

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both of them u hope the spirit wont chekc yoour locker for a bit whiel u get the perk chagr

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also sometimes u just cant right clcik barricades

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so annoying :(

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happened two games in arow

polar blade
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light in the tunnel is still pretty niche

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and you can’t hold onto narnia and choose when to use it which sucks

civic token
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ye

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light in the tunnel is still cool cuz u can chosoe when to activate it sometims and i refuse to belive otherwise

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if all yoru choices are shit and one of them is light in tunnel u can just not choose a perk for a bit >:)

quaint sand
steep saffron
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As much as Tactical Retreat was placed at A, I still think it's one of the best perks
One of the hardest parts of getting away from the spirit is the fact that they can see which direction you went, and you can't lose them without making some weird turn and hiding in a corner
With TR you can just. run away. and you'll be entirely free after 3 turns

polar blade
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i mean i literally put it in a

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ofc i think it's good

near slate
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If you're in pfinder Healing Streak is an easy F.

lucid wolf
quaint sand
lucid wolf
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well narnia can be helpful, it's just that its a specific scenario where you want to hide but not want to tp

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and thats not something u know when you're choosing the abilities

quaint sand
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I wonder if Narnia could work if you run to a locker, 10 seconds pass and then the spirit checks the locker just as you teleport

lucid wolf
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so its like an in-the-moment "oh man i wish i didnt have narnia" or "oh man i wish narnia allowed me to choose whether to tp after 10 seconds"

quaint sand
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ye, it's just super situational

near slate
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I seem to not be able to dig up some cheese

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And I'm very confused

chrome dirge
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had a bug where I was invulnerable forever

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I was lone wolf and got revived by someone with the 15s perk idk

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it didn't go away when I revived someone or started working on a gate btw

steep saffron
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"don't revive me"
-revives anyway
-saltroll

chrome dirge
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literally

static pawn
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since its almost over

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best festival minigame by far

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only minigame that has kept me playing for the duration of the festival without buying currency (for the exclusive items) or grinding it rather than playing legit

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thank you CT

near slate
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I enjoyed this twist on the pvp minigames

last fractal
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amazing minigame, first one that was actually fun after over 200 games

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finally 😄

near slate
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The only one I can remember is bonfire, were they not amazing?

last fractal
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Both heroes and bonfire miniges were way more repetitive

near slate
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Ah, that probably got stale

rich sinew
polar blade
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I’m not really sure how this was any less inherently repetitive

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it’s just what you prefer playing

civic token
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smacking barricades on spirit is always fun

near slate
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Yea this one involved more strategy than bonfire, that's for sure

polar blade
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bonfire was pretty repetitive but i am cth fan numero uno

peak lance
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the other minigames were too complicated and too slow imo

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they also suffered from horrible pvp attack hitboxes

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i might have actually enjoyed heroes minigame if attacks didn't miss 90% off the time

long meteor
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skill issue tbh

peak lance
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idk maybe the proxies near me all happened to have terrible ping during festival of heroes

steep saffron
long meteor
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damn crazy that you would have different experiences in completely different pvp scenarios

peak lance
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though i didn't experience any other forms of connection lag

ocean marsh
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spirits almost suffered from those same hitboxes

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but a gm on the team made a tool that allows for better hitboxes, which was used here

long meteor
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funky

peak lance
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nice

ocean marsh
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i mean lag is still a factor but its hopefully better than the alternative

ocean marsh
long meteor
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I was a fan of the heroes minigame personally

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at least the initial part, not so much the heroes phase

ocean marsh
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i like claim to heroism but it also had a fair few flaws

peak lance
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i'm probably biased about the whole complexity thing for claim to heroism tbh

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me not being able to hit stuff meant it was very hard to tell what my priorities should be

steep saffron
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~~fix red enemy hitboxes like ~~

lucid wolf
# ocean marsh i mean. heroes is kinda similar complexity-wise to this

i feel like btb has a gradual learning curve. it doesn't take too much to understand the premise. Run and hide from the spirit, heartbeat means they're close. Power wells and try to escape. The most frustrating thing was simply understanding what actions gave you what score. Everything else that can be "learned" is more strategy.

CtH has an initially steep learning curve. There were 4/5(?) different "resources" to juggle from the different enemies. You gotta learn where each of the enemy types are. you gotta learn how to not die to them. you have to learn each of the classes functions so you know how to not die against other players. then the ascension is like a different gamemode (not super complicated but still different)

ocean marsh
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thats fair

steep saffron
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small reminder, the default squire sword does higher dps to players than the bought weapons, because cooldowns! how silly!

ocean marsh
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i think thats fine because the bought weapons have higher range and differing effects

safe junco
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it was slightly goofy yeah

steep saffron
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yeah for most use cases the other weapons will be better just for usability
but in the very niche case that you're on top of the hero and they can't hit you

ocean marsh
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ah thats true

peak lance
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so if i'm not mistaken the inspirations for the minigames are
pig hockey -> hockey
battle of bonfire -> ctf
claim to heroism -> league?
banish the beyind -> dbd

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oh there was also that tnt run blizzard minigame

ocean marsh
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there was no real game that inspired heroism

peak lance
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ic

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i got league vibes from the resource collection phase i guess

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either way we've certainly come a long way from pig hockey and tnt run

near slate
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How did claim to heroism work?

peak lance
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uh

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kill mobs to collect resources, use resources at base to upgrade stats gear & get perks. some guy gets chosen as the big bad, everyone fights to kill then before the big bad destroys everyone's bases

polar blade
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the only hitboxes that were funky in heroes were the hitboxes for some of the mobs

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specifically the boss that gave the red material

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there was nothing wrong with hitting other players

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heroes did have quite the learning curve and it's fine if you simply didnt like the core gameplay loop but theres way too many people who whine about there being a "sweat" problem as if they couldnt also learn the game

bronze willow
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I had issues with hitting other players

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Especially with Tisuan

polar blade
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just so many people who cried about having to learn something new

bronze willow
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Well and Lari

polar blade
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never had any issues at all with any of the heroes

bronze willow
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Could have been a skill issue tbh

polar blade
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if i missed, i missed

bronze willow
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Still managed plushie on ironman

polar blade
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the only main problem with heroes was that if you were up against a good hero you really needed all 4 players on the same page trying to kill them to win but 99% of the time most people in pfinder just gave up if they didnt ascend first after resource phase

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and im not sure thats something that can be fixed

peak lance
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you were probably on the better end of proxy ping

polar blade
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🤷

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ping will always be an issue no matter the gamemode

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it's unfortunate but it is what it is

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and im not denying that at times the mob hitboxes were... really fucking horrible lol

safe junco
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Yeah lmao

peak lance
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i mean if even lex says that the hitboxes were improved since then, are you really gonna just dispute that?

polar blade
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the only thing i disputed was player hitboxes lol

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maybe thats part of what she meant. but that was literally never something i found was an issue in my time playing it

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there were quite a few games where i was literally unable to ascend because the red boss mobs just couldnt die at all

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so i kind of made it my goal to always try and go for the red bosses first since as the game goes on the more prone they were to breaking

chrome dirge
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can people who only farm essence be like blocked from pfinder

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theyre so annoying

polar blade
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went off topic a bit, but i just wanted to defend heroes a bit because it's still easily my favorite of the 3 main festival minigames and i get a bit sad whenever i see it receive so much criticism

safe junco
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heroes was really fun imo

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once you were higher on the skill curve at least

polar blade
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i definitely wont deny it took getting used to

safe junco
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yea

polar blade
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my first like... 10-20 games i was just getting shit on constantly

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but after you learned it a bit and went up against other players who knew what they were doing it was really fucking fun

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for me at least

chrome dirge
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alternatively make it so you can't end up in a pfinder party with ignore added people

safe junco
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i thought thats already the case?

polar blade
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that would probably cause more issues than it solves

chrome dirge
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nope

safe junco
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ah

chrome dirge
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I never want to see thomasmann again

safe junco
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i see

chrome dirge
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got matched with them twice anyways

peak lance
polar blade
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the weapons may have had a front leaning hitbox

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as in they didnt really originate from you but spawned a bit further ahead

chrome dirge
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obviously like ignore adding good players to only match with noobs is bad

safe junco
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true

polar blade
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also would just make getting parties together harder if you just ignore multiple people

safe junco
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people were queuedodging in that game regardless though 💀

polar blade
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yep

safe junco
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I just remember me, linny, and yy all getting queuedodged a lot

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at least those were the most apparent from what i saw

chrome dirge
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lol

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Ive matched with you and linny but not yy

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as of right now

polar blade
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i got queuedodged quite a bit

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i think the best player i played against in heroes was lefatboy

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guy was annoying as hell to go up against

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also now that the festival is nearly over, and that im only 2 condensed crystals away from mask after playing pretty on and off, ive definitely taken longer to get mask than getting both salted plushie and ring of memories lol

civic token
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i didnt grind the mythic trinket for either of the two minigames but bonfire just wasnt rlly fun for me cuz of how repetitve it got and how slow it could be(i didnt even get the new hp trinket from it lo))

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this minigame is def soem of the most fun ive had in wynn in a bit lo

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also pz buff made me play shamna again so extra fun poitns

polar blade
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bonfire was definitely really repetitive

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maybe if it also had a mythic trinket id have played it more

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but the games always got really stalematey towards the end unless you were just completely hard rolling the other team

civic token
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i think the equilivant of shitty hitboxes in this game is not being able to right click sometimes for me

polar blade
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and phase 1 is still a bit of a running simulator

civic token
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cuz most of the times barricade hitboxes make enugh sense

ocean marsh
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it's because the right-click detection sees you clicking the barrier block

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instead of the entity hitbox

civic token
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:((

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it doesnt happen often but when it does it is the worst!

polar blade
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lex u should add a relik to next heroes

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idk what it would do

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but it would be funny

peak lance
polar blade
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🤷 maybe

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in my experience though the mob hitboxes were just like, objectively bad lol

ocean marsh
ocean marsh
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i think ive perfected how to handle this sorta stuff

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with btb

polar blade
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lets go

polar blade
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initial thought is to make it a spread weapon but bow volley already covers that

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maybe it could do 2 damage like meteor but it just has super low range

steep saffron
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alt version of staff
casts an explosion centered on yourself instead of the ground target
which comes with decreased range and the same 3 second wind-up

civic token
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also sort of unrelated i think letting all players have an armour stand disguise they can claim (like the chicken pet)) would be cool, as if u are able to enable only this free digsuise in the minigame invis players could swap to the diguise and then swap back and then not be invis anymore
also why does the invis gltich even happen

peak lance
polar blade
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give it a spread similar to bow volley but not as wide and its right click could be a roadhog hook

peak lance
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just make overwatch in wynncraft while they're at it

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no matter how scuffed it is it can't possibly be worse than what blizzard made

polar blade
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blizzard

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minigame

peak lance
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yess

polar blade
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festival of the blizzards minigame will be overwatch

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🤯

vast shell
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the hitboxes werent even bad for bonfire

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like, they were consistent

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oops i was way up in teh thread

vast shell
polar blade
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he was the only person who could actually beat me to ascension

vast shell
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if you queued with someone you knew was better theres no point in playing

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non hero games were pretty fun tho

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but ig ppl would stomp on hero due to not being able to rely on party etc

polar blade
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i dont really agree

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i think thats just a bad mentality that keeps people from actually improving

vast shell
vast shell
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easy for us to say though since i was getting hero basically every game (and then still some amount of the time playing with better playerS)

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yea fair

polar blade
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i dont really think its something thats solveable

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if someone doesnt inherently like the game in their first couple runs, then they just wont really try to improve

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and something like that cant really be fixed unless you just fundamentally rework the entire gamemode

vast shell
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i mean it is what it is. i think that if you did want to improve to the point of being good it might take an unreasonable amount of time

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depending on where the starting point was

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but yeah

peak lance
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beginner characters would be a decent way to fix this

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for example btb, new players have no idea what perks are good or what spirit is good

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so for their first few games, rig the rng a bit and recommend some choices

vast shell
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i think it is REALLY easy to figure out how to play btb

peak lance
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it is already really easy

vast shell
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but yeah some sort of more obvious tutorial would be nice

peak lance
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partially due to how popular this type of game is rn

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dbd, prophunt etc all use this same formula

vast shell
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its not rly like theres a whole perk system you just look at which one seems cool and take it

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same with spirit

peak lance
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imo spirits should definitely have a difficulty rating

vast shell
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like yea youll still probably get stomped by a spirit with any experience but it feels very different to heroes

vast shell
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or pz but

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mm

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idk i think it would be just less / more complex

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if anything

peak lance
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thats the whole point of games having tutorial characters, they are generally the baseline for the game or otherwise just well rounded and easy to play

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a playable tutorial would solve this tbh

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i'm not trying to say btb is hard to pick up, its probably one of the smoother learning curves of the minigames we've had

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but still i've seen my fair share of games where one side (or even just one player) keeps getting stomped, everyone else swears in chat that the game is fun once you understand it, and said player just quits mid game after a couple rounds

vast shell
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yeah i get it

ocean marsh
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unless the whole party is new

peak lance
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oh thats good to know

lucid wolf
vast shell
#

for Real

peak lance
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trueee

lucid wolf
#

the openness of church lends itself well to learning the map. there's basically 4 major quadrants and they're all grounded by the giant church in the middle (or cathedral or whatever).
while each area isn't super visually distinct, they are definitely layout distinct
bunker on the other hand was miserable before learning the map. Not knowing where wells are (so where to check as spirit OR survivor), not knowing what hallways led where, not knowing what rotations to make to escape spirit or check on wells

vast shell
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idk i just learned bunker by playing it a bunch

peak lance
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bunker needs more visibility

lucid wolf
vast shell
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its cool

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i think if anything we should just make a third map for next year

lucid wolf
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every time i got it i was like "fuck" but u build up that memory

peak lance
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oh i guess here's one idea

lucid wolf
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and then one day i stopped hating bunker (still like church more)

peak lance
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name the rooms in bunker and put signs in the corridors

polar blade
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btb has a learning curve but its not as steep as cth imo

vast shell
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agree

polar blade
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especially since it isnt pvp

lucid wolf
peak lance
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that's true

lucid wolf
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i think the actual way is to make the rooms much more visually distinct

vast shell
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i think the learning curve is like. generally fine

lucid wolf
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use very different color pallets (difficult when trying to make a gloomy and suspenseful atmosphere ofc)

peak lance
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requires more work though

lucid wolf
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some sort of map in the game lobby could help too

polar blade
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anyone can become a competent btb player after like 10 or so games

vast shell
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yep

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idk you don’t have to be good at the game at all to be good at btb

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it sure helps though

polar blade
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cannot wait to have to wait until heroes to have a reason to log on again

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when is heroes again

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is it march or april

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i forgor

lucid wolf
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2022 was 7th to 31st of march

peak lance
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blizzard is up next

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we can pray that there's a minigame this time

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(pig hockey and tnt run don't count)

polar blade
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i dont think therell be a big minigame for blizzard

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btb was apparently pretty last minute for lex

ocean marsh
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i'm not planning on making one

polar blade
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and there isnt really enough time to make a big minigame

ocean marsh
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we decided we were gonna do it in august

polar blade
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i c

ocean marsh
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but work only really started in september

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i dont see myself having time for it though, since id also like to work on other things

polar blade
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maybe next year

lucid wolf
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just do btb but holiday themed :3

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cover the maps in snow and cute lights (indoor snow real)

polar blade
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the spirit selection is just the council of santas

lucid wolf
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make new spirits called evil santa

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omg wait its craftmas chaos santa returned

ocean marsh
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lol

peak lance
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honestly wouldn't even complain if it was just retextured btb

ocean marsh
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it wont be

peak lance
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yeah i know

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more parkour for our yearly christmas trinket farming 😔

hasty sorrel
#

So personally I feel this game has a glaring problem in the jump fatigue triggering by even so much as a misstep and falling down a 1 block ledge

lucid wolf
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what we have rn is the best solution sadly, until mojang makes a way for servers to detect jumps

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(but i wholeheartedly agree that the jump jank definitely hurt enjoyment)

chrome dirge
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Doesn’t the server get info on the player’s velocity

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Like just check if the player is moving up and isn’t on the ground

wanton oracle
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i didnt like heroes cause it was the same people who won every single time. Just frustrating

quaint pike
#

^

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Maybe this could be better if it was 2v2v2, idk

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All that is known is this minigame has to be changed somehow

pale swan
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make it permanent

quaint pike
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doom

vast shell
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Yeah... I tried to play heros but left because of the learning curve, losing every game, and just not having fun. I started playing BTB late into the month but it was much easier to learn, plus it being a team game made the chance of victory higher.

gentle tulip
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Heroes was a major 💀 moment.

It was really funny seeing optimal hero swap from Lari to Tisaun with every patch applied, only getting in the ballpark of similiarity towards the end

quaint pike
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seeing sweat getting 11 tokens while rest of party 4

ocean marsh
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yeah the reward distribution wasnt great

quaint pike
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or even sometimes just one if sweat was too good

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because the game would think you were afk while in reality you weren't able to damage the hero

safe junco
hollow willow
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noticed that rat can come out of a burrow even after it has been destroyed

indigo plume
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or if they go to it as its about to break

hollow willow
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might be hard to tell from this screenshot

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but broke burrow

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then the rat started making particles at the location

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and he popped out

indigo plume
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thats really odd

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maybe its like

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if they are on their way to a burrow

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and it breaks while they're selecting the location

hollow willow
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that makes sense actually

civic token
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that happened to me once too

polar blade
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better late than never

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stats i needed to get everything in heroes compared to getting everything in spirits

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personal minigame ranking is cth > btb >>> bftb

rapid totem
#

Hmmm I agree with your ranking but I think btbf was that bad

polar blade
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do u mean wasnt

rapid totem
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Yeah mb

polar blade
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bonfire was still enjoyable but pretty easily the weakest of the three imo

safe junco
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for sure

dim tulip
near slate
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Don't right click it with your weapon

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  • Soulfueled Crossbow
dim tulip
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not always viable when chasing someone who jukes a lot

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you need to have your weapon ready

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in case they jump over the barrier while you break it

near slate
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Ok but Soulfueled Crossbow

dim tulip
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huh

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just get keeper every time?

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5head

near slate
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Soulfueled Crossbow loads/unloads with left click

dim tulip
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I think I see what you mean, what I mean by attack is using your main weapon

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the ability items are fine

lucid wolf
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i dont even have words

civic token
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szamm

civic token
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spirit unpowered well right when it got to 100% and then the well still got unpowred

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:3

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but the well still coutned towards total powereed well

lucid wolf
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wtf

civic token
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att he end there were 4 total wells to chosoe from

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lo

steep saffron
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In theory, could you always prevent banishment by locking 3 close by wells the whole game

rich sinew
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what da ya think i try to do

spring needle
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thats why i try to make that difficult, from a map design perspective

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cause just guarding 3 wells the whole game is boring

quaint pike
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Not only that but there were other things to farm like fragmented jewels

rich sinew
chrome dirge
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Also keeper

polar blade
#

spirits minigame on average is slightly shorter but not by much

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and as said earlier it’s so easy to not lose as spirit when the last 3 wells are incredibly often close together

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the only times I lost were my first 2 spirit games ever

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when you realize you can just guard the last 3 wells it’s nearly impossible to lose

polar blade
polar blade
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it’s a bit frustrating when you’re trying to win on survivor and some wells are just so close

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or just some straight up bad well spots

lavish matrix
#

@polar blade

polar blade
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overall though I enjoyed the minigame quite a bit

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not too far off from cth for me

vast shell
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wahoo 400 games

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cant get enough queues to make it 500/i dont have the free time but

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this game was pretty awesom

lucid wolf
#

btb (not counting extreme cases like 3 min game or 17 min games or whatever) generally go from like 5 min to 15 min

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heroes for sure never had 5 min games like btb does

polar blade
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if ur getting 5 minute games then one side is just getting rolled

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I’m ngl i don’t remember how long heroism games were lol

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But on average I get like 10 minute games on spirits

vast shell
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my average game is probably around 9 minutes

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i dont think its 10 really

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but yea agree

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heroes games got pretty fast if you were ascending every time though

polar blade
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yep

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also 94 spirit games to 306 survivor games is crazy wtf

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nearly 1/3rd is spirits

vast shell
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i left a bunch of spirit games too

gentle tulip
#

The entire mc speedrunning team is already writing a 90 page document on the statistical unlikelihood of this blatant ct bias saltroll

vagrant fog
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not sure why in the game when I opened a item bomb the powder was called ink sack in the message

ocean marsh
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think thats just a bug in general

quaint pike
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ah, speaking of that, you can kinda do a little trolling as a spirit

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simply throw item or ingredient bombs to find survivors saltroll

wintry cliff
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if you claim an item bomb midgame you deserve to be found

quaint sand
quaint pike
peak lance
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i've seen someone drop a mob totem mid game before

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no idea why

chrome dirge
wanton oracle
polar blade
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i have idea for spirits minigame rebalance: what if we give survivors guns and they can shoot and kill the spirit

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do u like my idea/

wanton oracle
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yes

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i think it is a great idea!!

quaint pike
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new spirit idea which is just a stat stick

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no special ability, just high stats saltroll

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ok maybe an ability in a form of non-controllable charge which stops when you hit a wall, but if you grab a survivor you insta down it (crushed into a wall)

chrome dirge
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Sounds stupidly overpowered on bunker

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And just really bad on graveyard

quaint pike
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bunker does have some narrow corridors but also maze one, so will be easily jukeable

rough otter
#

pov: sirkiddo

quaint pike
polar blade
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not sure how a stat stick (presumably really high base speed) would be easily jukeable

quaint pike
#

during charge

polar blade
#

what

polar blade
#

that seems like a horrible idea

quaint pike
#

like walking normally to survivor then charging in their face?

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giving charge windup time

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and higher heartbeat radius too so you would know earlier that he's coming ig

mortal current
#

which doesn’t really do anything different then saying coords in chat but whatever

rough otter
#

it gives a visual marker too which can be nice

peak lance
#

thats a pretty expensive way to ping a location

patent birch
#

Idk what to do and say but have this picture of the void gaining more power

chrome dirge
#

The void consumes

finite spruce
#

Mods got hungry and crunched the chunks again didn’t they

minor lotus
#

Sorry i didn't have any breakfast today

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got hungry

finite spruce
#

Watched a chunk get eaten live by a mod yesterday, was terrifying

minor lotus
#

lots of nutrients

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all those rocks

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minerals

finite spruce
#

Nearly ate me with it

#

Still miss my left foot

quaint sand
#

Interesting detail I saw in a match yesterday but for some reason when all the players died the game didn’t end

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Idk how it happened but it was kinda odd

lucid wolf
#

i think we should give the survivors cc like in overwatch

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there should be a mei freeze, cass's grenade or old flashbang, sombra hack, lucio boop, ana sleep, doom punch, roadhog hook

civic token
#

wha t the scallop

wintry cliff
#

festival of the blizzard just has overwatch (it makes sense)

lucid wolf
#

if they can put overwatch in roblox, we can put it into wynn

quaint sand
#

Just like in the real thing saltroll

vast shell
#

For next year, maybe increase the distance between spirit wells. It's easy for the killer to find 3 tightly grouped wells and defend them for the whole game.

quaint pike
#

well, the survivor's job is to not let him do that

rich sinew
#

taken with tpsaltroll

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any well with a locker is close

near slate
#

That one well with the locker like 3 blocks away

spring needle
polar blade
#

the "survivors should target wells close together first" argument doesnt really work because spirit can still defend them from the start

near slate
#

Always thought about that

polar blade
#

in general this well is often just a death trap or forced damage taken

near slate
#

You can also shoot around the block with keeper 😄

polar blade
#

also in bunker the well at the top of the middle ladder is just right above a well at the base which can be annoying if they spawn together

#

woods has the two wells that can spawn northwest that can be guarded especially if you get a well by the pumpkins near the west gate

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pit well in woods in general is pretty atrocious to get due to being dead center in the middle of the map

near slate
#

I had a match where it was that annoying tunnel like well, the one out in the open, and the pit one as the last 3

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It just sucked

#

This one

polar blade
#

generally i think there could be some checks in place that makes it less likely or impossible for some wells to spawn right next together

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pit well maybe could stay and it could be interesting if it had a faster default powering rate

spring needle
#

like we removed well on bottom of church and made it impossible for well behind church and pit well to spawn at the same time

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as an example

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but yeah I think we could have used with some more checks like that

polar blade
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the removal of that one well

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didn’t know pit well and the well behind church couldn’t spawn together

#

still there could probably be some more checks

polar blade
near slate
#

Like

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A check for the well next to the church and in the pit?

rough otter
#

how many wells spawn per game? 6-7?

vast shell
#

7

rough otter
#

makes sense

vast shell
#

Huh. seeing the Bunker map is pretty cool. Perhaps a change could be to expand the rat tunnels and add a well there, replacing the well below the middle ladder.

rough otter
#

rat tunnels?

vast shell
#

On the southwest side of the map there are vines that you can climb to access a different part of the map.

rough otter
#

but also wow no wonder i couldnt find my way around bunker very well lmao, two levels and a ton of small paths

indigo plume
rough otter
#

erm their memories smh

hearty heron
rough otter
#

previous games 👍

#

WTF why does :th correct to 👍 now like it should

pearl spoke
#

why u guys talking about a game that u won’t be able to play in a year

civic token
#

coping that we cant play it forf another year

pearl spoke
#

they just gonna close this thread too

civic token
#

😔

pearl spoke
#

literally 1 month of stress and crunch only for it to be enjoyed for not even 1 month

ocean marsh
pearl spoke
#

i just thought that would be a trend

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no use in threads for constructive feedback so it gets closed/archived

ocean marsh
#

i mean it might happen automatically. i dont know how discord forums work

lucid wolf
civic token
#

i love entering lockers frmo behind

near slate
near slate
bold anchor
#

Rip btb

polar blade
#

was fun while it lasted

ocean marsh
#

o7

lavish matrix
quaint sentinel
#

Best event minigame so far

hollow willow
#

loved the minigame, lots of great memories

#

till next year! 👋

mortal current
#

prob my favorite minigame, and so many jumpscares and heart attacks

rough otter
#

agree ngl

gaunt knoll
#

cant wait to play the hit video game inspired by this minigame dead by daylight after this

safe junco
#

deceased by dawn 🥺

gaunt knoll
civic token
#

😔 no more trolling in btb

#

time to do homewokr

#

obligatory rat

ocean marsh
#

...why does the cgg cannon work outside the dungeon

civic token
polar blade
#

TIME FOR CLAIM TO HEROISM WAIT WHOS WITH ME 🔥🔥🔥

steep saffron
#

snoork.... mimimi.....

civic token
#

;3

#

scuffed blizzard game go brr

lavish matrix
#

no one is with you

#

no one will ever be with you

safe junco
vast shell
gentle tulip
#

heroism is cool but if mythic vanity trinket makes a return i will actively scream

civic token
#

plushie go brr

gentle tulip
#

i don't mind the haunted mask

#

the grind with btb was a fair grind because the game wasn't about lobby dodging until you were the hardest sweat in the game

#

where as claim to heroism was just unplayable at times because 4-6 essence if you didn't get hero was rough

#

so if it returns with the kind of hero balancing it had and the kind of reward system that would be massive saltroll

quaint sand
vast shell
#

just logged in to play heroesm inigame

#

gg :(

safe junco
vast shell
#

i have actually nothing to do in this game other than play btb minigame..

#

augh

gentle tulip
#

linny needs her daily dose of btb NOW!

vast shell
#

i htink i can get ct to play it in like two months... surely

quaint sand
# safe junco 🔥

Is it gonna be the running joke that the little one mob will take multiple forms in cosmetic appearances due to them being puddy but never a pet

safe junco
#

shrug

safe junco
vast shell
#

☺️

#

just need 3m ore..

#

tealy would

safe junco
#

fish might as well

gentle tulip
#

linny preparing so next year she can be the 5k hour dead by daylight player getting put into a lobby with someone that just got the game

safe junco
#

probably not as consistantly as tealy and i tho

vast shell
patent birch
safe junco
vast shell
#

oh ALSO

#

look at this literal tick perfect stun i got

safe junco
#

lmao

vast shell
#

hang on

safe junco
#

wild

vast shell
#

truly

#

this game is not very clippable but it sure was fun

safe junco
#

damn

quaint sentinel
vast shell
#

i hate invis bug!!!

civic token
#

god i just got reminded of the goofy ahh spirit gameplay i played during those games 💀
i think i only got like 3 or 4 downs cuz i didnt want to chase anyon and they jsut got healed

#

i dont wanna wai anothr year to play this again so mabye ill try dead by daylight

indigo plume
quaint pike
azure yoke
#

Claim to Heroism!

#

I never won as the Hero in that game but it was fun.

#

I still think Banish the Beyond is better than it but Claim to Heroism is good.

indigo plume
#

i think in my first ever claim to heroism round on day 1 of the event i got hero and won

#

but that was like

#

basically it

minor lotus
#

I played one game of claim to heroism when it had only just come out and I was the only one who knew what was going on

#

Then I never played it again

indigo plume
#

i only got the ring of stories cause nip nop won every game he played and then gave me the stuff to upgrade my ring

gentle tulip
quaint pike
static pawn
#

AOT is over

#

BTB is over

#

i cant take much more

polar blade
#

At some point it’s no longer criticism

quaint pike
#

Sure, but like, game should be designed in a way to counteract this issue

static pawn
#

hey guys 🤓 this isnt hero festival

gentle tulip
#

Not what they said lol

quaint pike
#

Otherwise it's just not fun to play for anyone, even the sweat might find stomping every single game boring at one point

quaint pike
static pawn
#

how much is it

gentle tulip
#

Cth being pathetic talespun memories for everyone except the person playing for the win with every method possible the game to ascend first every time and basically being near unwinnable against hero unless hero plays hero for the first time is not enjoyable for anyone except the hero

quaint pike
#

But it was also free at one point in epic games store

coral stream
#

wynnter minigame that isn't parkour for 1749073916th time when

quaint pike
#

there's tnt run too, isn't there?

coral stream
ocean marsh
#

dont expect anything huge for blizzard

#

i might see if i can improve wf some but theres probably not gonna be a big minigame

wintry cliff
#

we should have invented the holidays further apart

coral stream
#

nooo they used full power on hero and spirit on this year..
maybe they'll use power for the others next year

coral stream
#

Why were wynnter smth quest minigame thing is removed on last wynnter?

ocean marsh
#

it wasnt

#

it was removed the year before that

coral stream
#

e
(We're talking about which gives santa chestplate for reward right)

ocean marsh
#

yea

coral stream
#

sad gaming

ocean marsh
#

avalanche wasnt very good and it was buggy as hell

coral stream
#

~~still better having stuffs to do...

wynnter with quest > first wynnter > current wynnter~~

patent birch
near slate
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Shhhh

rich sinew
silk flume
civic token
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wtf bread necroposg!

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I will banish you to the beyond

silk flume
peak lance
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best minigame

ocean marsh
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man this game sucks

civic token
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lo

silent bronze
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can we make this the true wynncraft endgame chinatf

lucid wolf
vast shell
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364 days remain

civic token
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:3

tired wedge
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:3

coral stream
radiant galleon
coral stream
radiant galleon
chrome dirge
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Surely spirits will be buffed by next year

lucid wolf
civic token
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copium

coral stream
# chrome dirge Surely spirits will be buffed by next year

*more spirits
Are you sure about spirit buff when certain people gets 80~100% spirit win rate
-# could be questionable if it was 4 people with communication but in general pfinder even several pro gamers can't solve 3-wells easily

safe aspen
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Pfinder btb is a cruel thing

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But the spirit was never weak even in parties with competent survivors, no need to buff them...

safe junco
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closer to 60% survivor winrate

snow steppe
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my feedback: some of the interaction priorities need to be changed for next year. Namely the executioner prefers to throw its weapon over opening a locker, which can make checking a locker a bit awkward and the keeper prefers breaking a barricade over shooting its bow which kind of makes it impossible to shoot someone through a barricade

coral stream
snow steppe
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i mean it means you have to change slot to search a locker and i dont see any realistic scenario where you would prefer to throw your scythe at a locker rather than search it

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so it might as well be changed

coral stream
# snow steppe i mean it means you have to change slot to search a locker and i dont see any re...

"Banish the Beyond" is the Wynncraft's minigame based on "Dead by Daylight", playable during the Festival of the Spirits.
It is known as the best minigame compared to others, but despite of opening it 2nd time, it seems there's almost no video about it, so I decided to record those moments myself!

If you wonder how this game functions, feel fre...

▶ Play video
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and hmm
unlike blockade, scythe is only throwable when it can be placed properly so this won't miscast as we think

quaint pike
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I believe so that I had instances when Instead of breaking a barricade I threw my scythe

ocean marsh
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scythe being on the main weapon is always going to have annoying interactions

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no matter what

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there will always be times you get caught doing one thing when you wanted to do the other

quaint pike
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hmmh aren't there like interaction priorities or something like that?

ocean marsh
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yes!

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that is what is happening here

coral stream
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(wtf)

ocean marsh
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the decision was made to prioritize scythe throw

quaint pike
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idk what would be better honestly

ocean marsh
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keeper is probably a bug though

ocean marsh
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there is no way to make everyone happy

quaint pike
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community vote!

ocean marsh
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no

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because it might vary

quaint pike
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i mean just yes no

ocean marsh
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based on scenarios in game

quaint pike
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not like there's a lot of philosophy

ocean marsh
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as a player there are times when you want to throw the scythe and times where you want to break the barricade

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a community poll does not solve that

snow steppe
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make the spirit pick their own interaction priority before every game!

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dont actually do that

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it would be very stupid

quaint pike
ocean marsh
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this is silly

quaint pike
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if something is stupid but it solves a problem then it's not stupid

ocean marsh
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hang on

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WHY is this in the 2023 thread

quaint pike
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because there was no 2024 one

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I think

ocean marsh
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what

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yes there is

quaint pike
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oh well

quaint pike
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it really doesn't matter in the end