Banish The Beyond Feedback Thread

[spare glen]

It’s a mind game just like 360

aka the micro side of things

The simplest way to deal with ppl who you may expect to perform a 360 is to follow them but not hitting immediately

If they know how to strafe that’s when you’ll see them attempt doing it, then you can readjust the direction you’re looking at and melee after their attempt failed

If they don’t do anything they prolly don’t know how to do it then and you can just hit

[low wedge]

yeah, literally the trick is only good though if you know they went in to a locker but don't know which one. E.g top of the church one. Not always possible to figure out the locker.

So punching one makes them jump out of one of them

[spare glen]

Punching is helpful

Or if you know they have surprised strike then go by the locker that you suspect, then onto another one without doing anything, pretend to walk away then hide in a corner or whatever that allows you to see the lockers in f5

Some players will think that they’re safe due to not hearing heartbeats anymore plus killers gone

[indigo plume]

if you take it with 1 heart left youre basically gaining an extra heart

[spare glen]

More experienced ones will stay around for a while knowing they always have a stun and it might be a bait so there’s that scenario too

[low wedge]

yeah but i'd rather be able to be healed

[spare glen]

You must have gotten good teammates because I’ve had like 2 teammate heals in 30 games

[low wedge]

not every time but a few rounds teammates did

heck at one point me and a teammate healed each other multiple times saving someone else

[spare glen]

Luck diff ig

If you’re playing with ppl you know then the healing perk will be pretty good

[vivid quail]

#nerfsprinttracks

[late venture]

Just spam chat to heal

[low wedge]

I feel like healing perk will be good with the injured ones

[spare glen]

Which one you’re referring to

[low wedge]

you can effectively become a major nusiance for the spirit as long as you're good at escaping to be healed

[late venture]

Also ngl this gamemode feels more polished than anything wynn main content

[low wedge]

speedy healing

[last fractal]

petition to keep this gamemode for longer (maybe hidden in death's realm?)

[vivid quail]

i disagree but its certainly more enjoyable

[ocean marsh]

limited time means limited time

[vivid quail]

definitely has some bugs, balancing issues etc. but its a lot more fun than the rest imo

[hearty heron]

But how does that actually avoid the hit? Wouldnt you still be in the area

[late venture]

Im looking mainy through raids so my point of view has kinda low bar

[spare glen]

Because it’s completely based on a well-developed game, although I’m glad to have seen it in wynn too

[vivid quail]

im looking as a nearly 10 year player

[late venture]

Looks better than anything besides lr for me

[spare glen]

Spirit melee attacks have rather narrow melee register. If the spirit aimed left and you suddenly turn right, the melee attack will most likely be a miss

[hearty heron]

oh, it thought you meant not moving and only spinning

[indigo plume]

people ask this every time theres a new minigame, you gotta consider that the minigames bring players to the festivals and having them available year-round would greatly take away from that

[late venture]

In fact i enjoyed this gamemode more than actual dbd which is 🤯

[indigo plume]

• the games die eventually

[spare glen]

Not moving is a death sentence lol. Also 360 can involve one quickly moving to another direction + going in the opposite direction of the spirit (think of it as doing a u-turn within a second) so the spirit may have lost sight of you

[civic token]

its like hypixel lucky blocks
when it wasnt permanent it had liek 100 players but now its perm and has liek 50

[spare glen]

Dbd in 2023 is even worse than a couple of years ago

[civic token]

how goofy is dbd rn

[low wedge]

i just reguarly jump in this. Because you can easily annoy a killer with jumping

[vivid quail]

can yall pls make the spirit spawn later or give us a cooldown at the start btw i hate spawning basically right next to the spirit and immediately getting downed

[civic token]

unless u take the self revive perk ui can prob run away

[low wedge]

yeah spawning next to the spirit is still weird

[civic token]

but ye a bit goofy

[ocean marsh]

yea i can do that

[spare glen]

It’s how dbd works except the two maps here are rather small, so it’s a terrible experience to have spawned right next to the spirit lol

[ocean marsh]

fixing this for next patch :)

[polar blade]

Slightly random but @ocean marsh it would be cute if the 1 hp trinket activated like 2 seconds after right clicking so you can switch to your spear and activate corruption then get your health reduced

[spare glen]

Like a 5s delay would be nice

[low wedge]

nooo why. It's just literally to help dodging

[ocean marsh]

to clarify

what im changing is just make the hitbox extend down a block

[late venture]

Btw are Maps based on dbd? I dont think they are but making sure

[ocean marsh]

nope

not that im aware of at least

[low wedge]

oh so they can be hit at the same height no matter what basically

[spare glen]

They are conceptually similar to certain dbd maps but definitely not copied

[polar blade]

This would be so awesome

[ocean marsh]

ye

[polar blade]

Fallen players that didn’t play spirits will just have to cope

[safe aspen]

nope nope nope too op

[polar blade]

Nuh uh

[spare glen]

Also expecting some players to wear camouflage skins into this

[polar blade]

That wouldn’t really help ngl

[vivid quail]

not rly very easy to do because of all the texturing though

[spare glen]

Having a full set of diamond armor isn’t exactly the best idea

[low wedge]

someone did to me.

[spare glen]

I mean to change their mc skins to sth less obvious

It’s rlly easy to spot survivors in full gear

[low wedge]

black skin and a brown hat so i kept walking past them because their body blended in with the background while their head blended in with a tree.

[spare glen]

If you have silverbull it’s prolly easier lol

[civic token]

jsut dont werar armour
🤯

[vivid quail]

or buy silverbull

(don't buy silverbull)

[civic token]

but 64 le for cosmetics is a good deal
i love gambling

[gentle tulip]

is blendette invading banish the beyond now

[spare glen]

Prolly going to type “switch off wynntils maps for more pleasant gameplay” and “take off armor” in advance then paste in chat every game

[civic token]

make a wynntils macro for that

[spare glen]

Might want to remind teammates to turn on sprint too because without sprint it’s dirt easy to get caught lol

[low wedge]

still hate the fact falling is jumping

amount of times i've suddenly slowed due to that

[spare glen]

Bunker slabs lol

Even that can result in jump fatigue

Also kinda interested in knowing if escape beacon spawning positions are fixed?

[polar blade]

When going down stairs you should always just jump off them instead of falling down

[ocean marsh]

they are not

[ocean marsh]

it is really annoying. i wish i could find a way to fix this but ive literally tried everything and nothing has worked

[low wedge]

yeah can't blame you, it's just minecraft's honestly bad coding there so it's probably impossible to get around

[gentle tulip]

hmnnn how limited are your detection tools

[ocean marsh]

well

apparently minecraft's built in jump detection for scoreboard is bad

thats what this is using. and it doesnt work well at all

[gentle tulip]

are there any launches in the game?

like upward launches

[ocean marsh]

the only one is jumping over a blockade but thats accounted for

well i guess vermin exiting burrows also is

[gentle tulip]

cuz otherwise solution:
If player {IsGrounded:0b} -> set some score to 3 or a little higher and make it decrement every tick
If y coordinate > old y coordinate and that score is above 0, that's a jump
old y coordiante = y coordinate

walking up slabs should keep you grounded which prevents the y increase trigger from firing

and any other time you want the player to go up you could have a protective score you set to however long the launch takes
and while that score is above 0, it won't trigger jumps

would this be implementable?

[ocean marsh]

you'd think this'd work but for some reason it still triggered

[gentle tulip]

hmnn okay so

one change then:
If player {IsGrounded:0b} -> increase some score by 1
If {IsGrounded:1b} set it to 0
if it's above 5 idk, then jump fatigue on y level increase

[azure yoke]

Yeah, the jump fatigue thing is busted.

[rustic widget]

First time playing today, pretty fun most of us said a large party version with 2 killers would be fun

[azure yoke]

It triggers going down staircases, a lot.

[ocean marsh]

fully aware yes

[vivid quail]

whats the reason for disabling it anyways?

[polar blade]

Just makes balancing speed way easier I assume

[vivid quail]

its already unbalanced enough

[polar blade]

🤔

[vivid quail]

getting away from a spirit is basically impossible on the open map or without very specific perks

if u dont get away in the first 5 sec with the speed boost u might as well /lobby

[polar blade]

I mean, you’re not supposed to be able to consistently outrun the spirit

[vivid quail]

yeah but it just makes it a guaranteed death and then if they camp u then just dont even bother playing the game anymore lol

[polar blade]

Then they won’t be stopping other players from activating wells if they perpetually camp a grave

It’s a balancing act of time and if you could always avoid the spirit then it’d be impossible for them to win

[azure yoke]

It depends on the skill of the spirit, I think.

I played a game against a spirit good enough to consistently kill me. But I was also a spirit who consistently killed (against noobs who didn't realise I was hostile). And a spirit who had trouble, but killed 3/4 survivors.

I mean, the whole point of the game is evasion. You need to stay hidden away from the spirit; it doesn't seem like you're supposed to be able to outrun the spirit without tricks, like Narnia or such.

If the game ends up being too unbalanced - and I don't think it is, because most games I play as survivor the survivors seem to win - they might rebalance it in 2024 SpiritFest with more ways for the survivors to evade the spirit.

[polar blade]

It’s a balancing act of using your time to activate wells and support your teammates, dying is just part of the game and you’re gonna have to live with that

[azure yoke]

But maybe not. It seems fun enough as is, especially when you're at a similar skill level to the enemy.

[spring needle]

playing tbt with similarly skilled players is some of the most fun ive had on wynn

im hopeful that people will keep playing this throughout the festival and i can encounter better people more often

[polar blade]

It’s a neat game but like all the other festival games it’s likely to dip in popularity as the weeks go by

[honest forge]

HMU I’ll be spirit

[spring needle]

werent you the one who camped west gate when east gate was bugged

[spare glen]

New players will struggle against new spirits even

[honest forge]

No clue what your talking about

[spare glen]

A somewhat skilled spirit can still win against somewhat good players

[quaint sand]

Hey tealy there’s a spirit that causes panic is that a panic zealot reference

[spring needle]

maybe im getting you mixed up

[honest forge]

Sounds like a real jerk though

[spring needle]

no that was just a coincidence

[spare glen]

decent survivors can be very annoying to deal with

it’s an asymmetrical game so it’s not supposed to be too balanced or whatever

[quaint sand]

I like to think it’s the spirit of the panic zealot coming out for people despite it being a coincidence XD

[hearty heron]

maybe its a yahya referece because yahya is high on shrooms and thats similar to being panicked?+

[polar blade]

It’s an asymmetrical game but you can always make it as balanced as possible, obviously it’s not possible however to get it 100% perfect though

[spare glen]

Yea basically

[quaint sand]

The spirit uses red AOE circles like PZ to trap ppl and has the purple gems like the PZ mobs chest so I like to think there’s parallels

Despite it not being it

[spring needle]

the model may be slightly similar as well

[spare glen]

A common mistake made by spirits is prolly not finding a good balance between chasing and defending your wells

[quaint sand]

I’ve never seen the model for it since I always use it when I get the chance “XD

I know one spirits use Aledars shadow skin from AJF, one is the Spirit of that one Twain, one’s just the giant rat that makes all the rules, coincidentally Panic Zealot cameo, , etc.

[hearty heron]

nah no way bro

[civic token]

the mob named panic who is shaped like the panic zealot and has snares liek the panic zealot? no its called panic so its not a refernece to panic zealot

[vivid quail]

assuming its been mentioned previously but there's a bug with the rat spirit where you can get stuck in woods after using a burrow, seems to be around the spirit well thats like in the ground

[hearty heron]

it has

[vivid quail]

just making sure :3

[azure yoke]

I feel like you should be able to jump through the hole in Detlas to get to the Beyond. Maybe next time, there's a magic circle to descend?

[ocean marsh]

so, if we don't prevent sprint jumping, it makes the speed stat we set kind of meaningless. sprint jumping is like roughly the same as i think speed 2 potion? or something? it's quite strong.

[vivid quail]

130%ish i think

[ocean marsh]

it's just easier for us to fine tune spirit vs survivor speed if we don't allow it

[civic token]

also u will probably be able do funny parkour to get to weird spots which will then have to be patched with barriers :(

[vivid quail]

eh idk, it seems to do more bugging than balancing atm but fair enough ig

[ocean marsh]

there's a bug rn where your death timer still goes down when the spirit is nearby

which shouldnt be happening

and yea the jump fatigue trigger is bad rn

im making some changes for next patch to hopefully improve it

theres still gonna be false positives because its not possible to make it perfect, but im hoping itll be better

[gentle tulip]

misremembered it's OnGround but w/e
but yeah this does work for detecting jumps from cmd perspective (i would hope in wynn version too?)

[hearty heron]

you tried stairs?

[gentle tulip]

yeah they work perfectly fine too

[ocean marsh]

i think the issue is mainly server lag and inconsistencies

[gentle tulip]

what is the way jumping is currently detected even

that it triggers on going downwards

if mojang actually managed to make jump objective trigger on light downward falls i will cry

[vivid quail]

ngl the invis spirit seems really op in this, too much to id say

[ocean marsh]

yeah it'll be receiving nerfs

[vivid quail]

yippee

also maybe a way to cancel narnia if you dont want it to activate?

[ocean marsh]

i've considered changing narnia so it's an item you use one time to teleport

or more than once

[vivid quail]

i think more than once is better

i still wish there was more inplace to stop spirit from camping people ngl but oh well

[civic token]

i mean makign their timer not tick down is all u really need i think

[stuck seal]

first impressions: this is escape the facility but in minecraft which is fun i guess

[vivid quail]

it's dbd but close enough

[vast shell]

btw- if anyone whos a little too invested in the minigame wants to play games in vc with other minigame enjoyers (spirit deafens) i have a server i can invite ppl to

it has been really fun so far. i would recommend

[harsh sphinx]

correct me if I’m wrong, but there is a jump scoreboard right? if you could use that it would be easy to just implement that

[civic token]

ok bet

[ocean marsh]

apparently thats what this uses

or the same functionality

[harsh sphinx]

his should use the OnGround nbt value, which is kinda wacky, I’m saying a scoreboard that pulls temporary stats from the player data (the statistics page) and puts it into number, which might work better because it isn’t telling you if your on the ground, rather telling you when minecraft recognizes that the player jumped

[ocean marsh]

no im talking about

current ingame

functionality

[harsh sphinx]

oh

yeah if that doesn’t work then idk what would

[ocean marsh]

i'm pushing an experimental change to the fatigue trigger tonight

hopefully it has less false positives

[harsh sphinx]

we shall see

Also maybe make an area for people to read all the “buffs” because commonly it forces me into one thing while I’m reading

[indigo thunder]

we already have this tho? arent we?

[ocean marsh]

speak to the guide

[harsh sphinx]

wait he exists…

prob the chunk render error got him

[civic token]

lol

[indigo thunder]

unplayable

[ocean marsh]

hm

the logic shouldnt allow for that. ill have to look into it

[spring needle]

#📫noticeboard message

[indigo thunder]

holy shit huge nerf to "wraith"

[quaint sentinel]

noooo wanderer nerf

valid tho
breking wells while invis was not ok

[spare glen]

Imagine if nurse / spirit / blight can be introduced here

[indigo thunder]

blight probably the hardest thing to code

[spare glen]

I think oni would be fun too

[indigo thunder]

blight's hug technique probably is a bug

[spare glen]

Realistically if some of the stronger killers are to be brought into this gamemode survivors need more perks by default

[indigo thunder]

wraith is already broken before this patch tho

[spare glen]

Rn vermin is just demogorgon without lunge

[indigo thunder]

invisible is so op in minecraft

[spare glen]

Funny how it’s broken af pre-nerf here and then it’s prolly the worst 3 in dbd

how many different spirits we have rn someone remind me

[indigo thunder]

5

[spare glen]

Vermin, huntress, wraith, the terror guy (basically hag) and who else

[indigo thunder]

wraith is one of the worst in tier list but somehow i enjoy playing it in dbd
i dont know how they queue me

[spare glen]

At least it’s better than trapper

[indigo thunder]

dredge

we have dredge in wynn

[spare glen]

Oh yea

Pog

[indigo thunder]

which is fun to play

[spare glen]

Big L for the locker lovers

I also just realized

There are only barricades here but no windows

[indigo thunder]

and wynn player who dont know how to play this game keep get in the locker somehow

[spare glen]

Prolly the biggest reason why it feels hard to loop

[indigo thunder]

also the ping

[spare glen]

Prolly fear response

[spare glen]

Don’t u love it when you’re right after the survivor and you start seeing their 3d model in fragments

Or they suddenly stopped

Then you know ping happened

[indigo thunder]

some survivor i can hit them far but some i need to stand on their block to hit them

also we dont have body block here

[mental pelican]

did they patch funny boating?

[ocean marsh]

not yet

[indigo thunder]

wait what?

[mental pelican]

LETS GOOOO aw what a shame

[indigo thunder]

report the boat cheater

[low wedge]

Jumping is 130% speed

The only way i could see it working is going the dumb way and giving everyone speed 2 but that'd probably cause so many problems

Also every single speed 3 perk going speed 5 would be dumb so yeah not good idea

[indigo thunder]

and the map will be much smaller compare to normal speed

[low wedge]

Yeah. Not really a good way to deal with it.

[indigo thunder]

how about jump give u longer fatigue?

need to fix the random fatigue first tho

[ocean marsh]

i think random fatigue is impossible to fix

[indigo thunder]

that's sad

how that happen tho

[ocean marsh]

i dont know why its happening

[mental pelican]

report the whole entire community who knows all of it

[indigo thunder]

everyone knows now

[polar blade]

Looks like good changes

I’m gonna be real i never even knew you could disarm zealot traps

[mental pelican]

so true..

[spring needle]

New worlds will have an updated Bunker map, with a few changes. It has some issues, which we are working on, but general feedback on the direction of the changes would be appreciated 👍

[civic token]

boat is fake boat is not real

[low wedge]

So something i should probably point out, you can effectively revive chain.

Like, me and another guy revived each other despite the spirit trying to go for both of us as we both did revivals, solely cause of full health.

[safe junco]

doesnt really matter

since you have a limited number of lives

[low wedge]

actually kinda does, because you can get away with a single hit.

[quaint pike]

I like that this minigame doesn't have problems like festival of heroes had

[low wedge]

I got downed, he revived me, he had 1 hit left revived me then got downed so i revived him and we both escaped with only me getting hit afterwards

[low wedge]

yeah, literally only issues are minor balancing issues

[ocean marsh]

having more than 1 person working on ideas and balance was nice

[spring needle]

🙏

[indigo thunder]

in dbd u are injured after revived but not in Banish but i guess it is to balance that u dont need to hook survivor here

[low wedge]

yeah also the anti camping thing needs to be added soon because some people are trying to camp until they get called out

[indigo thunder]

try to find the wells when they are camping

[low wedge]

nah i was downed and they wanted to revive me but had to hide at the well nearby since they couldn't get any closer

but the timer shouldn't go down if the killer is near

[ocean marsh]

it doesnt now

on latest worlds

there was a bug that caused it to go down that was fixed

[low wedge]

Ah least it's fixed, just gotta get rest of world with it now

[indigo thunder]

wait so the timer wont go down now when killer nearby?

[ocean marsh]

ye

[indigo thunder]

i thought it is intended

[ocean marsh]

that was the intended design but it was bugged

nah

[indigo thunder]

what is the range tho

[ocean marsh]

like 12 blocks

[indigo thunder]

holy shit that's far

[low wedge]

tbf it's only bunker where it might be an issue

and even then it's more of a "spirit's completely lost and does not know how to leave the area"

[indigo thunder]

now u really need to do a real generator defend playstyle as killer now

bunker is a true maze

[low wedge]

also tried vermin, i kinda like playing it? Like I played it in a slow start but well prepared later style

[ocean marsh]

vermin is a wild card

it has high potential to be strong

but you need to set it up correctly

[low wedge]

Like they got 3 wells but by the time i got burrows sorted they had major difficulties getting to the 4th one and didn't end up getting the 5th well

[polar blade]

Heroes was awesome put some respect on its name

[ocean marsh]

heroes was something

[indigo thunder]

yeah vermin is a defend type killer

[quaint pike]

awesome for sweats but not fun for average player

later on when you were doomed to stumble upon one

[ocean marsh]

i hope banish the beyond's fun for avg players

[low wedge]

i'd say taken is the more aggressive form of vermin

[polar blade]

Is taken aledar

[ocean marsh]

locker teleports

[low wedge]

also vermin burrow glitch is getting annoying now

[polar blade]

Ok so it’s aledar

[ocean marsh]

try new worlds

[indigo thunder]

taken is a kind of killer that rely on locker spawn near well

[low wedge]

ah that's fixed as well? sweet

[polar blade]

Idk both taken and vermin are incredibly similar

[quaint pike]

not pz and vermin?

[ocean marsh]

i added a 1s cooldown between exiting a burrow and being able to enter again

[indigo thunder]

they are same type of killer

[low wedge]

taken relies on rng for it's lockers to be actually useful.
Vermin has more control at the cost of survivors can just annoy you about it.

[polar blade]

They both just have the ability to fast travel around the map there’s not a huge difference but taken is a bit harder to use

[low wedge]

I'd still rather be taken though

[ocean marsh]

taken has more freedom

vermin has more control

[polar blade]

I prefer being a tower of rats

[low wedge]

Also fight or flight is really easy to use i've found

since as long as the spirit thinks you're not actually near the barricade you essentially activate it whenever you want

[polar blade]

Ngl sometimes I feel like I get blockade stunned on spirit when I’m like 5 blocks away from it anticipating it

And then my blockades just never work point blank

[ocean marsh]

its a 6x6 square around the blockade center

[polar blade]

Seems pretty high

[quaint pike]

sometimes I feel that killer doesn't get stunned even though it's literally hugging it

[ocean marsh]

intentionally so yes

[indigo thunder]

holy shit that's huge...

[low wedge]

mine's been consistent

heck even to the point i've literally pulled it on top of them and they get caught directly in it

[polar blade]

I mean even if there is intent for it to be gracious with its hitbox that seems pretty huge

[quaint pike]

ah yes cubic hitboxes

[ocean marsh]

mm

[ocean marsh]

was easiest to do

[low wedge]

isn't the killers attack 4 blocks though?

[ocean marsh]

yea

ik ive very often struggled to pull off a stun without getting hit

[low wedge]

yeah that's fair, you're not really gonna abuse the stun at it's max range, so you'll more likely get hit if you try it mid chase

it's why i prefer to do an ambush because if the spirit's chasing me anyway but doesn't know i'm there it works much better

[ocean marsh]

surprise strike is even funnier

10x10 centered around locker lol . might be a bit excessive

[polar blade]

It’s probably not the worst tbh

[low wedge]

Tbh, with how surprise strike works, i think that's fair since you rarely can activate it

[ocean marsh]

it used to be same size as blockade but i found it hard to trigger

[polar blade]

I don’t find myself making consistent use out of lockers anyways

[low wedge]

you kinda have to hide on the basis that the spirit might come your way? Or you get such advanced warning.

[ocean marsh]

i was playing a game as spirit today where one survivor would hide in a locker w surprise strike while another lured me over to them

[polar blade]

That’s funny

[ocean marsh]

was very funny when theyd just surprise strike me

[low wedge]

I find lockers REALLY useful the moment you have silent locker perk

[quaint pike]

maybe if it bypassed the limitations of ghost searching the locker

[low wedge]

otherwise that noise is a bit too loud imo.

[ocean marsh]

it is

i forget how far away you can hear it

its either 8 or 16 blocks and i dont recall which it is

[low wedge]

I feel like it's 16

[ocean marsh]

it might be

[quaint pike]

silent lockers + no sprint trail after getting hit mmm

[low wedge]

since some spirits have beelined it for the lockers i go in just after I entered it

[polar blade]

Lockers are just ok

[low wedge]

even though they were pretty far off and not seeing me

[ocean marsh]

ok its 12 blocks

[low wedge]

I feel like 12 blocks would be fair if there was a quieter option

i know that's mildly impossible, but having an option to get in a locker quietly with a reduced noise would be nice sometimes

[ocean marsh]

i think i'll go poke at the blockade stun hitbox so its more of a rectangle than a square

[quaint pike]

while crounching entering locker takes time but makes less noise

[low wedge]

is that a thing or a suggestion?

[ocean marsh]

suggestion

[indigo thunder]

can u make the hitbox more visible for killer tho?
or is it just unbalance?

[ocean marsh]

uh

[low wedge]

I feel like that's just lag

[ocean marsh]

maybe i can show it with particles ?

[low wedge]

since hitboxes are janky when lag gets involved

[ocean marsh]

im not sure how thatd look

[indigo thunder]

idk if that will lower the skill needed to dodge it

because u can say it is a skill issue

[low wedge]

lex mentioned she'll do a vertical hitbox 1 block lower. So dodging would be harder

[ocean marsh]

that was just for survivors

the stun hitbox already wouldve gotten you if you jumped

[low wedge]

oh wait for some reason i thought they meant as in actually hitting survivors for killers.

Yeah fair then, since it's gonna be annoying if you think you're not possible to be stunned

[indigo thunder]

it is weird to see a 1block size thing can hit u like 2to3 blocks away

[ocean marsh]

lol

[polar blade]

@ocean marsh can u add an ava spirit

[indigo thunder]

wtf...

Lari spirit would be better

[quaint pike]

imposter of death spirit

you can disguise as a survivor

[low wedge]

honestly surprised garvan didn't do that

[quaint pike]

taken is hella fun

you can to telefrags

[vast shell]

the barricade hitboxes piss me off

i know they cannot be changed. but they still piss me off. that is all

[low wedge]

taken, is it intentional you can basically just jump lockers as much as you want?

[quaint sentinel]

I think so?

Mostly depends on how lucky you are with locker placements

[low wedge]

no it's a LONG range

like it's not even luck xD

[indigo thunder]

taken is a kind of killer that try to roaming with the locker and defend the wells

and it will become super powerful when there's lot of lockers near the well

[low wedge]

will say btw, the blind thing, either does not work or is too weak to do much

[indigo thunder]

what blind thing?

[low wedge]

if you go in to a locker and hit someone while inside with your 20 block range attack. they don't care much

[radiant galleon]

theres no limit on range you can tp with lockers

[indigo thunder]

i guess it is intentional

[low wedge]

it's intentional to not take damage

[indigo thunder]

because the dredge in dbd also have the same thing and the blind is not useful

[low wedge]

but i meant the more blind, idk if it's just players being dumb but they just do whatever

[indigo thunder]

idk how it looks like in Banish tho

[low wedge]

in banish all it would really do is stop someone from sprinting

[indigo thunder]

that's crazy

[low wedge]

yeah blind is weird like that

ok checked, it's bugged Im guessing? It's meant to reveal their positon for 8 seconds as well

But that's not happened for me, outside of telling me "oh yeah you hit someone"

[lament viper]

i didn't get the event item

[quaint sentinel]

You might wanna do /toggle outlines
It does highlight them with a purple outline

[low wedge]

kinda annoying that.

would of thought toggle outlines would just apply to friends and whatever else

[quaint sentinel]

It applies to everything sadly

Even bosses

[hearty heron]

um uhh

(guy hid in a locker and was injured)

[indigo thunder]

holy shit this guy is killing spree

[hearty heron]

also, blockades visible through walls

[indigo thunder]

i wonder how many scores the killer have

[wicked osprey]

the wanderer is still completely broken imo

[indigo thunder]

ok so that's just a fake thing

[hearty heron]

lockers too

[hearty heron]

well ,game still ended

[indigo thunder]

that's the real last survivor or what?

i guess it is not

[hearty heron]

no, 3 people were alive and i killed one of them

[indigo thunder]

wait so the downed actually glitched

holy shit insane essences farm

[hearty heron]

e

aaaand wc44 crashed

[polar blade]

im ngl if the way u wanted to make terror's traps harder to see, was to make them literally invisible, then u did a good job

also sneaking to disarm just doesnt work lol

maybe theyre just completely borked right now but i just had a game where every single trap was just entirely invisible

[indigo plume]

theyre meant to just be grey

like dark grey

[polar blade]

they were just straight up poof

[indigo plume]

insane

[polar blade]

something neat to add would be a message in chat that tells you what map it's gonna be during the spirit/perk selection opening

sometimes you dont get to see what map it says in the minigame lobby before it starts

[vivid quail]

agree

[hearty heron]

The jewel doesnt exist anymore?

[polar blade]

no there was nothing

[vivid quail]

also what about a survivor chat? so you can type and ask for revive etc. without spirit knowing (since they may just come back to you so they can get another kill)

[low wedge]

ok saying it now, i think there's a new bug because i keep getting double jump fatigue

[vivid quail]

i got jump fatigue going through an un-built blockade

[ocean marsh]

uhh thats a bug

[polar blade]

It was kind of funny

[ocean marsh]

what i did was change the red ring to smoke

[polar blade]

Yeah no there was literally nothing and I’d just be walking and boom ear rap

[ocean marsh]

wild

[polar blade]

I’m gonna see how many games it takes me to get everything from this festival and the mask compared to how many it took for heroes

I’ve already played 60 games and just finished getting all the trinkets and armor including Hallowynn mask and I can now start making progress on mask

Compared to 158 games for heroes to get everything and salted plushie

[spring needle]

Its not revealed by design

[polar blade]

That’s… really silly

[spring needle]

Cause you could have an advantage picking spirit for a certain map

[polar blade]

I think that’s fine

Shouldn’t be a dice roll

[spring needle]

What would be the benefit of tipping people off?

More panic zealot on the bunker?

[polar blade]

How is that remotely a similar comparison

[spring needle]

What comparison

[polar blade]

Comparing basic information to “tipping off” as if it’s somehow malevolent lol

I don’t think the effectiveness of a killer should be left to a dice roll depending on the map you get

It’s already random that you get a selection of 3 specific killers

[spring needle]

I agree, but it is inevitable that some spirits will be stronger/weaker on some maps. If its made clear which map youre going to before you pick your spirit, then you'd obviously be incentivized to pick the strong one all the time. This would invariably lead to less variety in gameplay, for no real benefit imo

[polar blade]

If anything, that signals to me that spirits need some rebalancing, which I don’t fully agree with, zealot is definitely strong on bunker but I wouldn’t consider it overwhelmingly meta as a must pick

And like I said, your killer selection is random anyways

[spring needle]

We'll certainly keep tweaking spirits, and perhaps in later years when we have more spirit options then it could be worth it to reveal the map

[polar blade]

Still seems needlessly annoying

Also why are 80% of my games bunker 😭 please I want to play woods

[hearty heron]

#1162460754289627228 message
this a bug too?

[ocean marsh]

obviously?

[vast shell]

im ngl it is a little too easy to 3 gen with aledar

you can kinda just. keep tping between three wells next to lockers and people can’t do shit about it

which forces them to just fuck off to save lives until the 10min well timer is up

[low wedge]

Yeah aledar kinda just is WAY too good at patrolling, which made me question if tping from locker to locker was a bug because it feels WAY too overpowered.

[ocean marsh]

no its intended

but we can look at nerfing it

[low wedge]

yeah i'd say it needs nerfing because when i did it, it genuinely meant they could not go for the wells without me noticing since the lockers were always within at least reasonably close enough i'd hear a well being worked on.

[ocean marsh]

current thoughts are limiting # of locker jumps before you need to uncloak, and possibly also raising the cloak cooldown

[low wedge]

I'd say limit number of lockers.

[ocean marsh]

i meant doing both

[civic token]

r u guys talking about the tp locker man?

[low wedge]

Ooh. yeah do both

Like. Number of lockers is defintely needed. Cooldown would help a bit
And yes.

He's not brokenly overpowered like garvan since he's still avoidable if you play as paranoid as possible and hide at the mere mention of heartbeat.
But still problematic. Especially since both exit gates in bunker are basically easy to jump to for him.

[azure yoke]

Oh, Dyla!

[near slate]

Garvan is the wanderer?

[hearty heron]

yes

[near slate]

Alr

[azure yoke]

Just played a game with you.
A bit of feedback: Terror is OP. Too many snares. Halve the quantity and they'd be better balanced, I think.

[near slate]

Yea the traps are super hard to spot and give quick kills

[hearty heron]

terror depends on map tho

like, a lot

[azure yoke]

Woods Terror was so OP.

Played a game as that.

[hearty heron]

woods??

[near slate]

The trap particles are also fairly inaccurate. I just almost got past one and then I get pinged and die

[azure yoke]

Bunker Terror? Also OP. Lost to that.

[hearty heron]

pfinder?

[azure yoke]

Yeah, it was a pfinder party.

[spring needle]

Terrors main weakness is its speed. Its only 5% quicker than survivors

If you can path away from snares you can time waste until they leave you pretty consistently

[azure yoke]

The speed of the Terror definitely was an issue.

Also, could Keeper be buffed? It could do with an improvement.

[vivid quail]

yeah keeper sucks and trapper (forgot the proper name) is beyond op rn

[spring needle]

My idea for slight keeper buff

[azure yoke]

Terror

[quaint pike]

Snares can be defused btw

[azure yoke]

They can be.

But they weren't, in that game.

[spring needle]

bad teammates makes spirit seems way stronger than i think they are

[azure yoke]

Fair.

[spring needle]

The goal of survivors should be to get chased for as long as possible, so that teammates can crank spirit wells

[stuck seal]

can there be a perk that allows to rebuild barriers with a long cooldown

[spring needle]

Maybe there will be one to pick up dropped ones, but not destroyed

Fixing destroyed blockades would be busted as hell

[lucid wolf]

Even post-nerf, wanderer continues to be the most fucking abysmal spirit to play against

It's so unfun

[spring needle]

Are you just not seeing them approaching

[lucid wolf]

Every ounce of strategy as a survivor is removed from the game when he can wander around the map looking and listening without a heartbeat detection

no i definitely see them approach

but by then theyre already in the room

[stuck seal]

wdym dropped ones

[spring needle]

Such that you can vault them

[vivid quail]

hi please fix the hitboxes of traps

[vivid quail]

the terror in question:'

[lucid wolf]

sometimes u get lucky with barricades, but the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time they do it, all the barricades end up broken and it's basically impossible to get away unless u have movement like linny

[lucid wolf]

nah

[lucid wolf]

agreed tho

[vivid quail]

terror needs a huge nerf imo

[spring needle]

ima be real I really dont struggle against wanderer more than anyone else

[vivid quail]

10 traps + instant teleport is far too op

[lucid wolf]

10 traps what are you yappin about

[vivid quail]

terror gets 10 traps they can place which they can teleport to the instant it gets set off meaning a free kill

[lucid wolf]

imma need to fact check this ive never seen 10

[vivid quail]

• it gets them back as well to place again

[ocean marsh]

yea its 10 max

[gentle tulip]

Ngl i find it very difficult to judge the power of different spirits in public matches

[ocean marsh]

im not necessarily opposed to reducing the max amt of traps

[lucid wolf]

wtf......

[gentle tulip]

Wether you stand any chance at all is basicly just a function of how aquainted your teammates are with the game

[ocean marsh]

& i'll edit the hitbox so it's closer to what the particles indicate

[vivid quail]

i think traps should be decreased and also maybe add a cooldown to teleporting like 1-2 sec

[lucid wolf]

thats crazy

[vivid quail]

trapper rn is a free win if the players dont spend all day hiding in lockers

[spring needle]

I am because it would make terror unplayable on woods

[lucid wolf]

yes pls

[gentle tulip]

the woods do be kinda crazy for keeper and the bunker kinda crazy for terror...

[low wedge]

I dont even see it half the time i just hear him uncloak, still means nothing even if i do it right as he starts to uncloak because it still has that delay in stopping a well.

woods I just dislike as a map though gotta be honest, feels like it's WAY too killer sided with the fact most of the survivor oriented stuff is mildly useless.

Barricades only barely work and that's because the stun radius is big enough it makes them justifiable.

[spring needle]

All the tile layouts are the same across both maps, bunker has more god blockades because its smaller and has way less tiles

[low wedge]

Keeper though, yeah i like the spirit but i'm not ever picking it solely because I can not tell if i'm going on bunker or woods. If i know which map i'll be playing i'd gladly pick it. But rn keeper sucks solely due to the "if it's bunker im screwed"

[low wedge]

fair, although even as spirit i would gladly play bunker over woods. Although that might be since I actually enjoy playing taken and surprisingly snare spirit.

[low wedge]

also uh lex found a slightly... annoying bug. Turns out if you already have speed using any speed skill does nothing other than just put it in to cooldown.

[ocean marsh]

?

oh like speed potion

[low wedge]

yeah

[ocean marsh]

that would make sense

that should be an easy fix though

[low wedge]

i used parkour a tiny bit after getting hit and the speed ran out nearly instantly after due to it still going off the injured speed

[ocean marsh]

would you prefer it just not activating until a previous speed potion runs out

[low wedge]

yeah

[ocean marsh]

or it overriding the previous speed potion

[low wedge]

I'd prefer just not activating

Makes more sense that way since you are nerfing yourself if you cut the first speed short.

[hearty heron]

what exactly? (im kinda confused by what that means)

[steel willow]

i gotta say, i didnt know He could jump from locker to locker and i still think hes a bit too strong, i got told in the normal dead by daylight the survivors can close lockers so He cant to there, maybe thats an idea?

[spring needle]

What

[spring needle]

Locking them just delays him exiting by like 2s for the first time

[steel willow]

oh i see, maybe Just actually being able to close lockers entierly could be an idea

lets say each survivor can close 1 locker He cant access anymore

i dont think that would hurt that bad and considering you basicly cannot open the doors in the bunker bc of him tping around it would be helpful

[azure yoke]

You should be able to hear the spirit heartbeat when Wanderer's invisible.

[vivid quail]

discovery: there is a rotation of spirit wells such that the spirit can easily camp middle and make it practically impossible to escape using wells, perhaps could do with another well location or some kind of check to prevent it?

[hearty heron]

i dont understand what this means

[ocean marsh]

which map

[vivid quail]

woods

[ocean marsh]

oh yeah i think i know what you mean

[radiant galleon]

you should just make sure that doesn't happen

BUT i will grant that queueing with randoms that isn't always possible

[lucid wolf]

damn i literally just spawned five blocks away from the spirit

and insantly got downed

[ocean marsh]

huh

which map

[vivid quail]

yeah happens, for some reason you can just spawn directly next to the spirit and there's nothing you can do

would be nice if we could get a cooldown before they spawn or just some way to avoid insta dying because you spawned next to spirit

[ocean marsh]

yea ok but which map\

[vivid quail]

happens on both, seems to be worse on bunker but both have the same issue

[spring needle]

If the spirit destroys a blockade, it wouldn't be able to be repaired

If its just dropped down then maybe we could add a perk that lets you pick them back up

[lucid wolf]

why do i get such little essence

it was a total shuitdown, they got 1 well activated

but i only get five essence?

[azure yoke]

I have an idea to prevent people cheating with Wynntils minimap.

[safe aspen]

you get more essence if both parties are doing good

[azure yoke]

I assume Wynntils draws from the website map or something similar to determine party member locations; could that be coded to be disabled for the Beyond's region?

[safe aspen]

its not the website its all in-game you can disable it its called hades

[safe aspen]

you get lots from draining wells and killing them multiple times and stuff so in a longer game you will get more essence just because you did more stuff

[azure yoke]

huh???

[safe aspen]

yea search hades in the wynntils setting and disable all of it

they introduced it in 1.19 in the early versions

early 1.19 wynntils versions ^

[ocean marsh]

maybe theres something i could change so youd get more score for getting a win like this

im a bit worried to do that though because it might make it easier to just supergrind the game

[safe aspen]

btw is it a known bug that sometimes you die twice and also sometimes you can revive people twice for not reason whatsoever

it just happens during normal gameplay basically randomly

[ocean marsh]

mm. no but i might need to look into that

its probably caused by lag if anything

[hollow willow]

really cool game, I will note that the lily pad room in one of the maps is wack with the jump detection and can be really annoying (when you walk from a lily pad to a full bock and vise versa)

[ocean marsh]

is a bit annoying

[hollow willow]

how long will this gamemode be there?

[ocean marsh]

another 3 weeks or so

[safe aspen]

until the end of the festival of the spirits so yea 3 weeks

[hollow willow]

will all the shop items still be available after the game dissapears?

[safe aspen]

the armour will be on the isles of fiction eventually but the trinkets and food and masks wont be

[hollow willow]

got it ty, so thats what i should be going for

[civic token]

huh

y barrier

[ocean marsh]

tiles might be bugged in your instancew

sometimes the previous map doesnt unload fully and tiles overlap

its an issue im looking into

[lucid wolf]

yea def not a simple fix, i appreciate that u feel the same tho

[civic token]

wom wpomp

also most skilled pfinder parrty

bro died a tthe very end

[low wedge]

Yeah both maps have the issue bunker does it more but the maze like structure stops it from being instant death woods on the other hand will mean you're in for an instant chase which can feel pretty unfair

[ocean marsh]

ill add a like 10s window where the spirit cant move but survivors cant power wells either

[lucid wolf]

oh ur the mf

[civic token]

lol
sorry

camping wells is sorta op tbh but u were staying at the same well 💀

[near slate]

I want to note that trapper boi's particles are innaccurate, and I think it's near impossible to dissarm them

[ocean marsh]

not near impossible

you just need to sneak right up to the center

[delicate rapids]

game is cool i got to play it for the first time earlier

well aside from the ppl that love complaining about everything because i was a newbie but w/e not the games fault

[safe aspen]

I feel like narnia should have a minimum distance it tps

especially with how many groups of lockers there are

multiple times now I have gotten teleported about 2 blocks

[ocean marsh]

yea alright

[indigo thunder]

COOL

[safe aspen]

I saw that aswell 🔥

[spring needle]

Just ignore for now, will be fixed soon

[chrome dirge]

Buff vermin fr it sucks

Also I would ask to make the terror faster in exchange for like less max snares or smth but it’s probably fine as is

[steep saffron]

very small question
what is the point of listing the heartrate radius and attack range for each spirit if it's the same 30/4 blocks on each
(also also, what is the specific purpose of having Grasp of Darkness on Taken? If you've already found someone through a locker it'd probably just be extra hassle to mark them with the beam)

[ocean marsh]

mm kind of a holdover from heroes (where i copied the format for the stats from), & in case we made a spirit which did change it up

[steep saffron]

I really did expect Zealot to have a larger heartbeat radius given it's whole gimmick
my absolute surprise that it had the same range as the other spirits

[spring needle]

Vermin is likely one of the strongest spirits

[spring needle]

For your second question, using grasp of darkness blinds the survivor (which stops them from sprinting) and exits you from the locker instantly. This usually leads you to get a hit in on them instantly

[vast shell]

i think it’s one of the strongest spirits if you play it very well & survivors aren’t super coordinated tbh

its kinda saved by base movement speed if you fuck up burrows anyways

so fair

[spring needle]

panic zealot is the weakest spirit if you dont use your snares

[vast shell]

and yet like half the pz players i see only drop a few snares instead of spamming them in every relevant intersection lol

tbh i think my fav thing to do with pz is trap all exits of a room but one and then chase people into the room

and close their entrance with another trap

it is so silly

[spring needle]

pz is very fun if you play it well

[delicate rapids]

pz was fun the one time i tried it yeah, although i wasnt able to figure out how to tp to my snares when possible

if anyone knows please enlighten me so i know for next time

[spring needle]

Left click your snare item

[vast shell]

ok! major issue with pz actually

if you are placing a snare while someone sets one off you can’t cancel it. and then when you tp to the snare it tps to the one you just placed

@ocean marsh

[delicate rapids]

alright thanks

[spring needle]

this is known

[vast shell]

ok fire

i swear to god i can not place any for 30 seconds and as soon as i go to do it someone will set one off crossmap

without fail

[spring needle]

fr...

[delicate rapids]

the snares are a neat mechanic as well as the sensory overload panic debuff

[silent bronze]

needs gambling ngl

[earnest wharf]

would it be possible to put cooldowns on the scoreboard?

it's kinda hard to keep track of how long until your ability is off cd

[ocean marsh]

nope

not a thing we have access to

[earnest wharf]

how about like a boss bar

[ocean marsh]

too cluttered

[earnest wharf]

isn't there only like 2 while you're alive?

[ocean marsh]

i think 3 boss bars is already a bit much

spirit wells tracker, heartbeat, health bar

[earnest wharf]

you could just make them appear when the cooldown is actually there then vanish after it's off cd

[ocean marsh]

still would get to be a lot

esp if you had multiple

[earnest wharf]

well you could probably just combine them into a single one

[ocean marsh]

uh

[earnest wharf]

like "ABILITY - Xs"

[ocean marsh]

maybe? i think it'd still be too much

[earnest wharf]

fair i suppose. just a little janky having to guess how long left on your cds

could be like a message at like half-way / 25% off cd

this is wholesome 🥹

[ocean marsh]

thats good

[low wedge]

Unless you're lightbender. Or arcanist. Like there ends up being a lot

Guild. Heartbeat. (For some reason) lives. And then if appropriate archetype boss bar

[earnest wharf]

also opening the exit gates should provide score

[hearty heron]

btw you can see lockers/blockades through walls because they show "lvl. 1"

on bunker btw

[earnest wharf]

had a glitch where i had no movement debuffs

disrespected him so hard 😭

[spare glen]

I wonder if anyone is virtually close to getting the lantern

It’s like 20hrs of grind assuming 5 shards per game in 10mins

[safe aspen]

That's a bad assumption you get way more if you deliberately farm them

So some people already have one 🙀

[hearty heron]

i think 1 shard/min is a reasonable assumption

[vivid quail]

1 essence*/min is generous

but it depends if ur gonna sit there and farm deliberately

[hearty heron]

also you sure you mean latnern and not the mask?

[vivid quail]

i think they do mean the mask

[hearty heron]

tbf i am playing pfinder

[safe junco]

the lantern?

[spare glen]

the mask that summons a lantern* sorry for the confusion folks

[safe junco]

ah the haunted mask

also its not 20 hours

its more

[spare glen]

Deliberate as in custom party? I only play pfinder coz

If I want to deliberately grind it I would be quitting every game that I didn’t get spirit

[hearty heron]

/kill injures you but also always tps me back to the same spot

[spare glen]

Doesn’t /kill end the game

[indigo thunder]

u can /kill in the game?!!!

[hearty heron]

no

lmao i can power a well and /kill to get away fom it but itk eep powering

i asssume theres been a shadowpatch?

because it s on wc31 (new server) and on the same server spirits also cant attack

[safe junco]

if you assume 8 shards per game, its a total of 192 games, which is 32 hours already

source

anyways, as to how close people are to it

linny is at 20.5

im at ~19.5

and idk about other people

[hearty heron]

im at 2

do you guys have a live btw? (how long did you play for that)

[safe junco]

uhh i think ive played ~20 hours or so(?)

a lot more if you include playtesting

[polar blade]

It’s a bit funny that it takes longer to grind than salted plushie

[safe aspen]

It really doesn't though

[polar blade]

It doesn’t?

[safe aspen]

Simply use alt accounts 😼

[polar blade]

I’m talking about actually playing the game

[safe aspen]

Ok

And if you didn't farm for salted plushie but actually played the game it took longer anyway

[last fractal]

Im at 5 rn, this will be a long grind 😔

[polar blade]

It took me 158 games to grind everything in heroes including all the trinkets, armor, plushies, and ring of memories

[safe aspen]

158 games but how long were they

[polar blade]

The average heroes game was also a bit longer but I don’t think it matters too much if you grind for everything in spirits

Tbh I may be wrong I’ll see for myself when I end up getting mask

It does look a bit more grindy though

[safe aspen]

Difference is this game is actually fun

[polar blade]

I loved heroes

[safe junco]

i like both

[polar blade]

I prefer the actual combat minigames but this one is cool too

[vagrant fog]

Sadly the servers seem to be having an issue where the spirit can’t hit the survivors

[polar blade]

Actually bonfire got pretty stale after a while though ngl

[safe junco]

itll be fixed soon

[polar blade]

Maybe if bonfire had a mythic trinket I’d have played it more

[vagrant fog]

If it doesn’t get fixed, it just makes the grind for the lantern faster

[safe junco]

it will get fixed

dw

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1041741529179488321/1109346779742347305/ConcerninglyFunnyCat.gif

[polar blade]

Wynncraft invincibility trick 2023 working

[vivid quail]

clueless icl

[polar blade]

When did the game just completely break anyways for survivors to not die

I played some games like 6 hours ago before I went to sleep and it was fine

[rapid totem]

guys this is so fake

[vivid quail]

2 hours later still broke

[vivid quail]

also removing most the wall spots in bunker is rude >:( they werent even that good

[quaint sand]

You smurfed them

[earnest wharf]

i have like 300 hours on DBD i'm sorry i'm too good 😭

[earnest wharf]

they were insanely good on 1.13+ since people on 1.12 couldn't see you underneath them

especially if you had silverbull to disable armour and have a skin that blends in

[vivid quail]

wait they literally couldnt see you wat

fair enough ig but man, still sadge

[earnest wharf]

not completely invisible but like it is fairly easily for me to blend in with my skin lol

[vivid quail]

zzzz

[steel willow]

how did it happen that the spirit literally cant hit people?

[earnest wharf]

stop ghosting my requests to join party and yo ass may have known❗❗

[steel willow]

we full bro

[earnest wharf]

nuh uh

[vivid quail]

about right

[steel willow]

man the game was normal

[vivid quail]

wdym ur supposed to have 23 snares out of 10 max

i dont see anything abnormal about that :3

and damaging survivors was never intended, it was a bug and we don't have bugs round here 😇

[earnest wharf]

hag addons:

[cunning hare]

Are any other people experiencing an issue with spirits attacks not working?

[vivid quail]

everyone

[cunning hare]

damn

[steel willow]

HOUSING IS ALSO DEAD LMFAO

[cunning hare]

Who put wynncraft servers in israel

[polar blade]

damn is the game really still broken

[last fractal]

me when I have a lot of time but cant grind for mask 😔

I feel truly slothful

https://tenor.com/view/petelgeuse-romanee-conti-re-zero-anime-crazy-gif-15532106525237087876

[polar blade]

can someone ping me when it works again thanks

[last fractal]

me too pls

I dont want to be slothful anymore, I need to repay love with love

[vivid quail]

me too :3

[keen orbit]

me too 🙂

[quaint pike]

spirits can't attack despair

[ocean marsh]

fixed on newer worlds

[tight rapids]

[idle cosmos]

Round up the essences at some point I hate getting 3 essences for 199 score

[ocean marsh]

hmm

maybe i wont round up but i could have it store whatever extra score you had and give you an essence when it passes 50?

[last fractal]

that sounds amazing

[ocean marsh]

ill look into it

[hearty heron]

You can just take off armor?

[vivid quail]

bugged? or just weird display

i didnt take it on purpose i took it as a joke thinking it would be a bugged server 😅

[ocean marsh]

weird display i think

ill try see why thats happening

[steel willow]

seeing this, maybe add in the description that it resets on death, could be useful to know

[vast shell]

most considerate event token farmer

[polar blade]

Wynncraft players when they have to play the game

[quaint pike]

on god

[spring needle]

can we farm pls 🤓

[low wedge]

ok saying now, there REALLY needs to be a warning to the player about destroying barricades

had to explain to someone because they genuinely couldn't destroy barriers due to not realising the fist thing

[safe junco]

I think it might be a bug I'm pretty sure(?)

[low wedge]

it is, issue is rn some people believe barricades are unbreakable cause of it

[ocean marsh]

it is a bug

i'm trying to sort it out for next patch but it's annoying

items with left click functions just cant trigger left click interactions for some reason

my options are either getting that issue fixed, or switching all left-clicks to right-clicks

[low wedge]

which would be annoying

[ocean marsh]

yep so i'm hoping for the first

[low wedge]

it's just i feel bad for spirits who genuinely don't realise how to break them

[steel willow]

i refuse to play the game if people farm personally, i wanna earn my tokens while having fun

[ocean marsh]

i know. i'm working on it

[civic token]

farming 🤮

[safe aspen]

half the parties I get on pfinder want to farm score :/

kinda sad but I guess its too be expected

[azure yoke]

The Terror makes me caffeinated every time I play it.

And jump detection is so wack, I hate it. I missed half my chases my last game because I kept getting randomly jump-detected.

Although to be fair I thrashed those guys so really they needed the advantage.

(12 Essence, all players killed, keheheheh...)

[indigo plume]

Based

[azure yoke]

necro, i guess, but: my tactic as PZ is to trap every well i can get to. it's so fun and i love it. best part is it's not even that unbalanced, my enemies last PZ game still managed 5/5 (although i trapped the gates too and ended up killing them all eventually, PZ snares are so good if you use them properly)

[civic token]

i feel like the escape beacon resulting in a feels bad position from the spirit perspective is kinda annoying, like they ccan be steamrolling the entire game but not get 4/4 kills just because they got unlucky and the beacon spawned nearby the survivor instead of them, i get that its supp\osoed to help bad survivors sometmies still get a win but ye plz let me be able to get 4/4 kills 😔

[low wedge]

it's meant to be that way though

since the game becomes functionally impossible if it's 1 survivor and there's wells left

[azure yoke]

ye

especially on woods, which is much easier for the spirit to navigate, and therefore circle, and therefore flush out every attempt at a well

the escape beacon is a necessary balancer to make the game playable for low-skill players

[civic token]

ye ik that but its just kinda annoying that some games i cant get all kills cuz of luck
i can tthink of any possbile fix for it and it isnt the biggest deal

mabye if th survivor uses the beacon it still counts as a kill for the spirit so they get mroe essences idk

[azure yoke]

while normally i would agree that it reduces the impact of skill, this is ultimately a minigame and they want it to be accessible to every wynn player, even the ones who can't devote hours to gaining skill at BtB

so i don't think the escape beacon mechanics should be changed

[vivid quail]

new bugs discovered:

• on woods, theres a chance that you can get stuck inside a locker when teleporting as taken. i think this is a 1.16+ bug as you get stuck crawling and have to find your way out, funnily enough i just spammed jump and hop saved me
• on bunker, the two lockers next to the spirit well next to one of the exits (the death trap one next to obsidian spike) were un-openable as spirit once
• not a bug, but more a request, why are we still able to spawn right next to the spirit when starting the game? i thought that was being changed days ago :c
• not a bug part 2, terror still too op ngl
• triggering a barricade on a wanderer as they are removing invis will cause them to be locked in a state of extremely low walk speed (the same as the ws you have when returning to normal) until they re-enable invis, theres also a similar bug that affects taken but im not sure how to reproduce it
• terror snares appear to still have inaccurate hitboxes

[azure yoke]

i mean there's already a 50/50 shot theoretically that the spirit will find it first

[civic token]

ye

[safe aspen]

terror is fine if the survivors are somewhat competent

the fella that can tp to lockers tho 🔥

[vivid quail]

even against competent survivors i still ended up with a somewhat confident win, unless im just good at terror it feels a bit too op

it's mostly about the instant tps imo since if you set up your snares well enough then you can kinda rely on them to counter the low ws once you initiate a chase

[safe aspen]

if you were able to catch them in chases they were doing somethign wrong

if they arent blind and see your snares they should disable them and then theyre barely an issue

[vivid quail]

yeah but once you initiate the chase they cant sit and disarm them lol

[ocean marsh]

we havent pushed changes since the changelog posted in noticeboard

working on a balance/bugfix patch for today or tomorrow

[azure yoke]

So, what I'm hearing is that I should try Taken once or twice.

Hey, I have a wacky idea for BtB2 next year; a special mode with 8 10 survivors and 2 spirits.

[low wedge]

Taken's spot ability is also fun

since it means you can track a survivor much more effecitvely if they try to escape

[vivid quail]

okay awesome, just noticed some other changes so i thought there were some silent patches (like the map reworks that werent announced at any point)

[ocean marsh]

what map reworks

the only one is the bunker, which was announced

i dont think woods has seen any changes yet

[safe aspen]

is there some randomness to the maps or am I just going insane

[vivid quail]

oh at the end it was mentioned though there were also the wall changes near one of the wells and the removal of another well in the upper floor

[vivid quail]

wells and barricades are random, other changes like walls may just be an old server

[ocean marsh]

yes

there's a bunch of tile locations on each map

which randomly load in each game

from a set of options

[safe aspen]

like a wall instead of a barricade

that kinda stuff yea that makes sense

[vivid quail]

probably just switching between old and new servers

after the spirit attacks were broken they also changed some walls in bunker in the same silent patch that fixed spirit's attacking

so if you played anywhere around like 18-21utc that was when servers were starting to switch

[ocean marsh]

nah the map does semi randomize

[chrome dirge]

Sometimes disarming snares doesn’t work

[ocean marsh]

you need to get very close

[chrome dirge]

No real rhyme or reason to it

[ocean marsh]

within a block of the center

im increasing the area to be larger for next patch

[chrome dirge]

No I’ve done that and it just activated them

[ocean marsh]

were you contiunuing to sneak

[chrome dirge]

I was sneaking for the record

[safe aspen]

are you sure there wasnt someone else than ran over them

[ocean marsh]

strange

[safe aspen]

someone ran over them while I was disarming an unsetteling amount of times

[chrome dirge]

This was the game you were in earlier lol you were the only other person alive and you were a grave

[safe aspen]

I love not being able to revive myself with the broken shield

[ocean marsh]

hmm

did you pick it up after being dropped

[safe aspen]

no I had it since the start and used it twice before that

[ocean marsh]

ic

ok i actually see why this happens

[near slate]

Btw, The Guide won't let you select The Wanderer when talking to them

[ocean marsh]

yep, im aware

will fix for next push

[lucid wolf]

There should be an item/info section when you talk to The Guide that explains all the different things that actually grant you spirit shards. cuz rn i think it only talks about doing wells = in-game points and x number of in-game points = each shard

[rustic widget]

Sometimes it really hurts me seeing 28 different Ct extremes active for one time events but bugs that have been in the game for 7+ years are still around “cuz to much dev time”

[lucid wolf]

So there's no info on what gets shards when playing as a Spirit as far as I've seen

[rustic widget]

Like there’s almost 2k comments alone about this one event but y’all will leave forgery half baked for the next 3 updates most likely (I’ll leave now so thread doesn’t get off topic)

[lucid wolf]

id rather play this game than a fixed forgery so

why would they focus their energy on forg rn

[ocean marsh]

🤔

[spring needle]

it wasnt removed, I moved it further down to the end of the stone hallway to help prevent well-locks

[lucid wolf]

what are well locks

[near slate]

Where the spirit can easily cover all three wells at the same time

[lucid wolf]

ah

[rustic widget]

I just don’t enjoy how much stuff just gets “outdated” and then left behind cause they want to add more instead of fix old content to be on par with what they are releasing now

[ocean marsh]

forgery's on my list

[lucid wolf]

bump

[rustic widget]

^

[ocean marsh]

maybe. the reason the stats screen doesnt go into too much detail is to try to prevent people from learning what's most efficient and just grinding it

[spring needle]

most if not all stuff that you'd expect to give you score, does

[lucid wolf]

fair but i feel like that happens already.
on one hand: the people that play it the most figure out how to optimize shard-generation. it’s their work that they put in, so it’s deserved

on the other: now only a few sweats know how to make the most shards, and everyone else is left wondering why they got the score they did, and there’s nowhere to find out why. (this kinda ties back to that game i posted about as Spirit where i got like 5 essence even though i did really well and they only got 1 well)

[ocean marsh]

it's cause you didn't get many hits/downs/kills

i do need to figure out a way to reward you for a fast game, but it's tricky

[spring needle]

??? getting points isnt being gatekept by sweaty players. you can find out how to get points just how other people did, by playing the game. doing more stuff in the game will naturally get you more points, so yeah even if you're really effective as spirit and end the game in 3m, you wont get many points cause you didnt do many actions

^ not saying that that should be the case, but thats currently how it is

[lucid wolf]

that’s fair

[rustic widget]

Tldr let spirit kill everyone 2 times then let’s players charge well and leave to meta game it for everyone?

[ocean marsh]

new patch sneak peak

[spring needle]

🔥

[chrome dirge]

holy moly

instant ladders?

[civic token]

nooo now people arent guaranteed too die when they go up the vines when injured 😔 (assuming this appleis to vines too)

[ocean marsh]

takes 1s to climb but its better than getting stuck there

[chrome dirge]

is the spirit actionable while going up

if not then I forsee ladder chases that last indefinitely

which would be very very funny

[scarlet trail]

i love this
not only the ladder thing, but the mass of amazing features i can smell coming

[quaint sentinel]

ALREADY?

[safe junco]

yea

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1041741529179488321/1109346779742347305/ConcerninglyFunnyCat.gif

[civic token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stare-stare-wtf-whatever-gif-25183190

[chrome dirge]

gg

[proper cedar]

nerf wanderer speed

they can just control the entire map instantly its sad

[spring needle]

their speed is part of their strengths

cant taken do that better anyways

[chrome dirge]

Not on bunker

Wait I confused bow and locker

Taken is better on bunker wanderer is better on graveyard imo

[civic token]

wtf cannon ohm skeleton...

[gentle loom]

I love it when scripts break

for no reason

[grand tapir]

Add more spirit/perks and dont remove it after spirit event

[ocean marsh]

1. if there's time, maybe
2. no

[grand tapir]

Then 1 doesn't matter, cool minigame tbh

[vagrant fog]

Also the new update prevents you from using Surprise strike if they have started to open the locker

[ocean marsh]

that's always been the case

[vagrant fog]

Oh

[civic token]

i wish there was a timer for abilites in chat or smth
would be nice to not have to use wynntils chat timer to roughly estimate when locker skills r ready when u infrotn of the spirit

[ocean marsh]

it sends a chat msg when it goes off cooldown

[steep saffron]

honestly
would be funny if Narnia could activate instantly
emergency "go away" ability

[civic token]

yeah but its nice to know how much longer u hae to hope the spirit wont find until u can use yo ability to escape
like i was waitinf for narnia message to pop up in chat and rthe spirit was like a second away from searching my locker
if i had a timer that was like "narnia can be used in x seconds" then i prob wount have risked it

[vast shell]

@ocean marsh

[ocean marsh]

👍

[vivid quail]

wynntils on their way to make thos a mod

[lucid wolf]

HUGE

[safe junco]

💪

[vast shell]

@ocean marsh the 2020 wynnter cookies give speed in the minigame

[ocean marsh]

you could have just dmed me

[vast shell]

if a single other player still has these i will give them all my le

its just rather silly

[spring needle]

I think I do, get ready to pay up

[vast shell]

ur ctn ot player :3

[safe junco]

goofy

[spring needle]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-art-cry-melting-disappearing-gif-17119531

[vast shell]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-by-daylight-killer-haha-among-us-boi-oil-gif-19643513