Patch the "wall cheese" in The Nameless Anomaly.

[polar token]

then fires it

fires the red beam

then the explosion at the same spot as the red beam is pointed at

[wraith osprey]

visually it looks like its correcting the course

[white solstice]

I thought it fires a white beam after

If my memory serves me right, this is roughly the pattern that TNA's Watched currently follows (ignoring timing differences)

Unless I got something wrong somewhere

[median badge]

@wet nymph

[severe turret]

first white then red

[steel beacon]

Not even shifting power from damage to something else for example?

[polar token]

yea u got it right there

white beam, red beam, explosion

[polar token]

man idk like I said I have no control over AT

[steel beacon]

I am blind

[steel beacon]

Congrats you have found super rare mob in tna that drops it

[median badge]

yeah ik, i havent successfully drop it before that

[white solstice]

Oh wait it’s white beam first

Shoot lol

[steel beacon]

I forgot to mention, orphion has also HP threshold based attack in form of crystallization

[dire scarab]

make greg spam as much minion as orphion do

[steel beacon]

chain spell of 5 heavy pulls

like this thing

[coarse sparrow]

i wish greg would drop nuclear bombs every 5 seconds

[wraith osprey]

The Cyclone Watches
(a new spell has been added)

[shrewd shale]

Notg is kinda better

[velvet burrow]

Corrupted tna

We need courrupted raids that you can solo

[steel beacon]

Make greg channel 1 heavy pull every 1 milion hp lost

Watching tricksters getting tossed around would be hilarious

Or heavy explode

[polar token]

Not the worst joke idea tbh

[wraith osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-gif-26558298

[dire scarab]

The nameless(obfuscated) stares
A new spell has been added

[white solstice]

@polar token Actually there’s another issue that I don’t think I actually mentioned

Mostly because I completely forgot why I wanted to punish the player for going near the edge in the first place

TNA kinda can’t really create Void Holes if players kite the boss around the edge?

Not sure if you did anything about that because if I remember correctly you only fixed wall hugging TNA in place

[polar token]

yea uhh idk what to do about that

I cant control who the boss targets right

so I cant just make him stop targeting someone if they are near the edge

[steel beacon]

could drag you into stacked purple circles (a mere skill issue )

[devout roost]

can we play chess against greg instead

[polar token]

greg can't play chess

he is not very smart

[devout roost]

make him smarter then
you made the raid

[coarse sparrow]

they said the art reflects the artist

[devout roost]

[coarse sparrow]

[steel beacon]

[polar token]

no its cannon lore that greg is dumb

[polar token]

this is true

IRL I look a lot like EO style and have a very small brain like greg

I am also weak to kites

[devout roost]

why is he smart enough to fight back with multiple mechanics

[coarse sparrow]

very relatable

atleast Greg is smarter than pfinder since pfinder hasn't evolved to the point of being able to kill greg

[polar token]

you know how people give their dog like 20 buttons on the floor to press to communicate

greg is like that

he can't do complex thought but can press a button to do a preset task

[devout roost]

he was the cause of the void holes though and the entirety of the raid

[polar token]

and the dog is the cause of the shit piles in the yard?

[devout roost]

nah that was me mb

[polar token]

[devout roost]

if greg keeps watching me like that he gon make me act tf up

[polar token]

greg is naked canonically also

greg is also 27 years old, write that down in your lore books

[devout roost]

where did his lower body go

[proper plinth]

motorcycle accident

[devout roost]

what is that big ball in him

[tropic lily]

!

[polar token]

"The balls of greg" will make an appearance in dern itself

[devout roost]

is it the wynncraft version of the fortnite cube

also can i have his balls

[steel beacon]

He is not smart enough to be not circled by one cloning lad tho

[devout roost]

can greg do eco?

[coarse sparrow]

@muted meadow

waiting for lumi to make Greg have proper phases in which phase 3 involves killing his balls so he can't reproduce

[white solstice]

I was more thinking of discouraging players to stay near the edge

[polar token]

I mean yee I could do something with that

I am looking at replacing the blue line attack

cuz its pretty random and easy to ignore

and maybe an attack on the edges would be a good replacement

or I could add the wretches

[devout roost]

can he use his balls as an attack

[polar token]

i mean

I am working on changing the 4 dragon fireball attack

to target 4 players instead of just 4 in a cross that are stupid easy to dodge

and also attack flying players

[devout roost]

can greg start flying like a wither

[polar token]

no :(

[muted meadow]

What

[coarse sparrow]

draw Greg now

[muted meadow]

Already did

[river skiff]

turn greg into eldrask

[devout roost]

drask is literally the easiest world boss 💀

[median badge]

solution: add touhou bullet hell mechanics

[river skiff]

not when 20 billion player particle blocks everything youre trying to see

[devout roost]

how about what if if you’re too far from greg, he tp’s into your face

[river skiff]

turn greg into twisted shadow

[prime talon]

Y'all wanna make greg him

[muted meadow]

Greg Him?

Why can't we greg her?

[prime talon]

No like

He's him if u get the meme

[gritty summit]

yeh

[tough pond]

suggestion add terraria to minecraft

[wide edge]

true

[dire scarab]

do greg pee

[wide edge]

true

[steel beacon]

He pees blue

[dire scarab]

how heavy is greg then

[wide edge]

hes only bones ive gotta say like 130lbs

well actually doesnt he levitate so its 0

[white solstice]

Flying beings still have mass

[wide edge]

mass and weight are different

[wheat mango]

How does roar do damage then... @wide edge

[wide edge]

it doesnt if you avoid it

[polar token]

some of the nameless reworks are gunna be pushed later than expected cuz im doing more to the rework then I had first intended

I am basically gunna also be doing the idea from @white solstice with some modification. Removing the barrier wall, pushing it out, and having danger at the edge of the arena

also I am removing the blue line spell that greg has as frankly its pretty fucking useless, kinda laggy, and gregs charge and jump attack now use a blue line of particles to indicate where the jump is gunna go and act as a telegraph

[steel beacon]

hmm how it will look when he stacks charges

[polar token]

just multiple lines

[steel beacon]

asking cuz he's very unpredictable when he does that

[polar token]

this should help with that

for each charge he will get a line

[steel beacon]

I'm just concerned that it will be mismatched

[polar token]

how so?

like a line will appear, but then he will charge again and the line will be facing the wrong way?

[steel beacon]

or like to the side of it

same direction just few blocks to the side

[polar token]

hmmm

I mean its fair but I dont think itll happen

even still

just any attack indicator is helpful

[steel beacon]

yeah, thanks

[coarse sparrow]

you know what i think greg should just have the ability to blow up half the arena because he feels like it

his mango

[steel beacon]

phase change?!?!?!

[white solstice]

The what spell

[steel beacon]

arena becomes permanently cracked with void holes and his attacks no longer create it (also this state doesn't reset)

[polar token]

exactly

[coarse sparrow]

his mango is to blow up

[white solstice]

Anyways I haven't thought of any new ideas so far

The one where TNA just forcibly opens up a void hole to grab you works as a mechanic, I just find it a bit too hard-locked

Or hard... whatever it's called
Basically the opposite of soft

It's essentially of the game simply forcing the player back in rather than introducing something that makes the player really not want to stay at the edge
Like how instead of tping the player back down into the arena Lootrun camp spots spawn mobs that discourage the player to stay there anyway

Both lead to the exact same outcome but the second one is arguably more interesting

and gregs charge and jump attack now use a blue line of particles to indicate where the jump is gunna go and act as a telegraph
Good
Although asides from warning the player that the attack is coming will the line in of itself inherently matter?

Because TNA dashes in the direction it is facing
And given that Wynncraft mobs can change this direction instantly on a dime it ultimately serves no useful telegraphic purpose asides from like, a first-time player

[steel beacon]

the void claims

[white solstice]

Wait sorry rephrase

[white solstice]

Because TNA dashes in the direction it is facing
And given that Wynncraft mobs have a hard camera lock on the player when chasing them it ultimately serves no useful telegraphic purpose asides from like, a first-time player

In this case, the only time the line would be useful is if TNA actually slowly turns towards the player while it's charging up the dash attack rather than just locking their sight in the player's direction at all times

Which to be honest would actually be pretty cool albeit a bit too much to ask for given Wynncraft's current tech I think

[limber pilot]

holy shit real big raid changes, best ct out there on 🔝

wouldn't mind if some CT finally changed Hive reward system without consulting anyone

[dire scarab]

aprently soemone already calculated speed of light in wyncnrab
and i think the gravity can be calculated

maybe from the failing coconut scene?

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/the-insane-speed-of-the-wynncraft-main-character.272578/

[wraith osprey]

@polar token is the charge direction determined when its cast or when the charge happens?

[polar token]

Both

It moves with the boss

It casts like a little bit before the charge and moves with the boss until be charges

[wraith osprey]

ok so you can say its already telegraphed then

[wraith osprey]

yeah i dont know what i was thinking when suggesting a telegraph, i think tna just targets the player right when the charge happens, coz if it moves with the boss (as in rotates with the tna) then the only time tna doesnt charge at the player is when switching aggro

[plucky helm]

Gravity is inconsistent

Minecraft player falls faster than falling blocks

And animated falling stuff might not be the same speed

[wraith osprey]

so a telegraph would either look like a small vector of where tna is looking, or a giant line sweeping across the floor as it tries to follow the player's movements (even funnier when greg is spamming charge)

[wraith osprey]

holding ctrl after a movement spell temporarily increases the speed of light

[plucky helm]

what

[wraith osprey]

makes you fall faster

[plucky helm]

[plucky helm]

how is that the speed of light. what are you talking about

[wraith osprey]

idk, werent you talking about getting the speed of light from a falling coconut or something

[plucky helm]

😭

That is not how that works in any world

Your own speed does not change the speed of light

[wraith osprey]

strange, i could have sworn it did...

[wraith osprey]

that isnt orphion

[plucky helm]

yeah it isn't

[wraith osprey]

if only there was someone who could draw orphion like that...

[steel beacon]

whenever I just fly close I sometimes one melee hit deals 1/3 of my hp with raid buffs and 35k hp at base

well, turns out small things add up very quickly

because I don't get knocked out so this melee sometimes hits multiple times

note to @polar token just in case ig

[wheat mango]

From what

[steel beacon]

that new melee

[wheat mango]

There is no chance you are taking ~12k dmg from New melee

Even on shaman with lunatic mask there is no chance

[steel beacon]

I know that's impossible on single hit, but what I'm trying to say it's somewhat easy to get hit multiple times

also true damage so each hit might add even 1-2k extra

[polar token]

It has .5 seconds between hits

It's not true damage

R u so close ur getting hit by his normal Melee

[white solstice]

Wdym

[white solstice]

I thought the player had to shift to fall faster

[steel beacon]

Hard melee got more range too? I thought only this got implemented

I just don't remember I was taking that much damage pre-patch, that's why I'm asking

Charge also seems to deal more damage

[polar token]

It literally doesn't

Charge wasn't changed at all

I think it might be something on your class idk

[steel beacon]

I was thinking because of that range increase he can melee you mid-flight and that's why it seems like it

[wraith osprey]

ma bad, shift

[wraith osprey]

the normal melee is still present

[steel beacon]

I know about that

[wraith osprey]

normal one hurts still, and doesnt knock back

[devout roost]

uhh nmememmf cna i get uhh erm chesmeborger?

[coarse sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172012952325472276/1179747363837988904/image.png?ex=657ae85a&is=6568735a&hm=7729445cc29034593d19ab8d936513b0eeb9f03c8a3150971ed9fd61bde64e06&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[steel beacon]

just to make sure, is it range on hard melee still the same or it got increased too? (still not sure about that)

[wraith osprey]

I don't believe the range is bigger

[final cobalt]

In case anyone wishes to know how to wall and does not know the main way I have seen that is easy is to get a boat with a gaurdian build and provoke boss and then run to wall sit in boat and provoke again

[wide edge]

nuh uh

[polar token]

fear what is to come

https://tenor.com/view/cat-evil-evil-cat-mischievous-mischief-gif-13289589621298169963

[steel beacon]

shush you are killing the last bastion of tanking

[polar token]

I'll give greg anti tank rockets

[steel beacon]

agony

fun is forbidden for tank users

[tropic lily]

can u avoid the true dmg purple circle thingies in a boat??

[steel beacon]

I can tank HQ tower aura but not purple circles? preposterous

[polar token]

tbh using an actual boat in the nameless is a cheese

like horses are blocked also in raids

[tropic lily]

i love boats

[steel beacon]

wdym a cheese you have goddamn 70% damage penalty when using them

[tropic lily]

unlews they allow u to avoid an attack its prob fine

[steel beacon]

or not being able to attack at all

[tropic lily]

just a bit of a silly item(please do not block boats from raids they are my only source of fun in waiting rooms)

i lost the screenshot but i was able to get under the floor in void matter room with them

[steel beacon]

also considering what cheeses exist, horse "cheese" is nothing compared to them

[polar token]

then why would you use the boat then?

[tropic lily]

funny

[steel beacon]

because it's comical

not particularly practical

unless there's something with them that I'm unaware of

[polar token]

Where you not saying being in a boat blocks damage? Am I missing something

[steel beacon]

no, I wasn't

[polar token]

I might have misunderstood I thought it was being said using a boat can make certain damage sources miss you

iir this was an issue in the past with other things

[steel beacon]

hitbox blocking projectiles?

[polar token]

I mean it could block that lol

[tropic lily]

i was asking if it blocked dmg

[polar token]

I guess it could block the dragon ball projectiles

but those dont do anything rn anyway

[steel beacon]

well, you can't attack and you can barely move, I think it's fair tradeoff

[tropic lily]

im assuming hitboxes blocking projectiles was removed when shaman totem couldnt block them anymore or smth idk

[polar token]

nuu they still exist

the replacement for the dragon ball projectiles coming up can be blocked by stuff

but they explode on contact with anything

[steel beacon]

speaking of shaman, lumi, what do you think about its viability in tna

like the boss room

[polar token]

I want shaman to be more viabale

I like shaman a lot

[tropic lily]

i love shoe man

[steel beacon]

waiting for that day to my inner shaman main be awake once again

🙏

[polar token]

tbh shaman just needs to be made better in general imo

[tropic lily]

shaman will become viable when wynndata loads

[final cobalt]

You cannot avoid purple circles but If you see them just move

[final cobalt]

.

I want wall to be so destroyed it actually no longer can be done so make Greg break boats

[tropic lily]

just make it impossible to place boats in the boss fight only( i need to throw by boating mid raid)

[wheat mango]

How would removing boats suddenly delete walling

[polar token]

try and get greg stuck in a ring of boats

[steel beacon]

someone do this

comedy gold

[tropic lily]

25 second trap frrr

[steel beacon]

fr

[slim grail]

Mythril Skin does not prevent knockback from the new greg melee, being in a boat is the only way to prevent that right now

you cant play hypertank unless you get enough hpr while using Galloping Spurs

[steel beacon]

doesn't almost every hypertank run infernal impulse instead of relying on hpr

[slim grail]

no? ii has a 20 dex req and hypertank is wfa ideally

and it wouldnt be needed if Boreal was useable

[steel beacon]

it's 20 dex for infinite and on-demand health sustain

[slim grail]

hypertank gets enough hpr to survive forever without it

[steel beacon]

• you heal teammates

[slim grail]

the heal range is insanely small; your teammates would have to join you in being right on top of greg to get healed from it

[steel beacon]

(in rooms)

[slim grail]

being useful is infrequent anyways, since most of the time people are either on full health or dead
tna doesnt slowly wittle down your health, it just kills you or you avoid getting hit too much

[steel beacon]

tree room, stump room, uhhh

[slim grail]

light room is the only place where I've used rally on teammates multiple times, but most of the time people are trained to just use potions anyways

[coarse sparrow]

reject potion
embrace 300% rage dmg

[steel beacon]

honest voidhole jumper reaction:

[coarse sparrow]

cant be killed if you kill them first

[unborn crescent]

Are people trying to get boats removed from TNA? This is the worst suggestion in history.

[plucky helm]

if to tank you rely on a borderline bug abuse cheese strategy; skill issue

hope his helps

[polar token]

naa Im gunna add stuff to make boats a ligit strat now 100%

make it so nameless cant hit u in a boat

but u cant hit nameless

fair trade tbh

[plucky helm]

boat strategy

[median badge]

galloping spurs allows you to hit greg

you just replace boreal with spurs and spam taunt / prevoke

[steel beacon]

too much true damage~

[plucky helm]

Skill Issue

[steel beacon]

so bald

[plucky helm]

My head is So full of Hair

[white solstice]

What exactly is the hitbox of TNA’s dash again?

[wide edge]

big

[severe turret]

The only ways to relibly dodge (0 damage taken) dahs is either warp and just
Tp to the other side of the arena
Or assasins vanish
(Note that i do not play archer or shaman in tna)

[wide edge]

for archer u can double escape

and shaman has blood connectio

[river skiff]

mfw
https://discord.com/channels/1074033333496983646/1138811371652382751

[river skiff]

flat escape in question

[river skiff]

also isnt true

tremorcaller offhand works and non aero charge can also dash charge pretty well

[median badge]

are you going to dm her the discord invite link

[fluid pewter]

how do you flat escape anyways

[river skiff]

time escape with a jump

like right at the start of the jump

[fluid pewter]

ohhh

thats how i got it randomly so many times before

[mortal moon]

how did u just find out about this

[fluid pewter]

i have like 20 runs on archer lol

cant rly find any interest in playing it

[elder trout]

speaking of tna

fix pfinder being abusable thanks

[tough pond]

pov 4 players that are greedy and keep under 5 tols in inv

[devout roost]

they then take their time to get the tols after the party has been made 💀

[tough pond]

in order to make the costs more fair we have increased the raid fee to 20 tols

[wide edge]

bring back the tol merchant

[proper plinth]

o hell na

[trim cove]

o hell ya

[proper plinth]

xd

[fluid pewter]

hell make it 8 tols so everyone pays 2

idm paying 2 runes if those tax evading pf bіtches are no more

[steel beacon]

6 for little trolling

[limber pilot]

Do 7 so that it’s expected of party leader to pay 4

[steel beacon]

no, everyone will have to pay 2 instead of leader

[severe turret]

Wich would make pleader a wanted position
And stop people from not carrying tols

[velvet burrow]

It’s a competition to see who can have the most tols

[steel beacon]

6 is more funny because random person would have to pay as well

or 2 random people not particularly leaders

[tough pond]

make it customary that party leader pays all the fee

[fluid pewter]

Na that's dumb

[median badge]

no im sure that is dumb

[limber pilot]

yes, that is genius

[tough pond]

TNA 30 in queue

[wheat mango]

It's not a problem bro 😭

[plucky helm]

paying tols or wall cheese

everyone laugh at this waller 🫵

[wheat mango]

I was referring to tols

Bro must be using pande the way a random topic is brought up 😭

[sharp ibex]

never make a wynncraft joke again @wheat mango

[steel beacon]

The moment when you show a brainrot lootrunning where they can farm insane amounts of runes to run their favourite raid and earn money on top of that

[fluid pewter]

nuh uh

if your runs are good enough for a solid mythic chance, you dont get tols

would be nice if we could change the priority of drops, maybe i'll make a thread abt it at some point

[steel beacon]

Yes, but nobody will stop you from running for runes anyways
(Also gambling beast exists)

[fluid pewter]

taking gb without like 200 pulls sacrifice is a waste of time and braincells

[steel beacon]

It's not possible usually because you know
Gray beacons fking disappear if you don't pick them
And requirement... you know, you can't never avoid it

• gb still is time efficient even without sac pulls

[fluid pewter]

gb is shit unless it has a usable condition

(thanks ct for making stasis completely useless and making an already rare mission require a certain condition)

[fluid pewter]

also grey beacon disappearing is not connected with skipping it

my theory rn is it stops appearing if you dont activate a mission for too long

again, thanks ct for making a vital beacon have some weird ass mechanics and not explaining anything

[steel beacon]

That sounds more like devs would do, not ct

[wheat mango]

Explode

[sharp ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/389532588957499392/1181337612586319922/IMG_2574.jpg?ex=6580b163&is=656e3c63&hm=4f9bd4c6aa67905cc322d2f5b3b890dd83f20080bfc78a2b9e9734b82882f4b1&

[plucky helm]

all hamsters die horrible deaths

[wheat mango]

????

Bro had a nuclear hamster

[dire scarab]

no

maybe i will explode soon

[proper plinth]

this would be a defining point in my life if i was 13 holy shit LOL

he let out a final squeak and bursted.

[median badge]

ate a bunch of baking soda and exploded

[wet nymph]

i hope this is #not #real

[plucky helm]

This isn't the first time I've heard of a hamster exploding either

I heard of one that gnawed into the wall and ate drywall

And then drank water and the drywall expanded, but unfortunately the hamster did not

resulting in a minor hamsplosion

https://tenor.com/view/hammond-ow-overwatch-well-rip-hamster-gif-17703808

[tender folio]

this is fucked up wow. And why tf would they let him drink vinegar????

[fluid pewter]

my first hamster died to a fridge door lmao

[tender folio]

hamster ownership should be banned if there are children in the house istg

[fluid pewter]

i wasnt even the one who killed it D:

eventho i was like 8 or smth

[limber pilot]

My hampter ate pebbles and died, dumbest mf ever

[severe turret]

why do bulb catchers have cci now ?
:c

[river skiff]

as if having cci makes them more threatening

[steel beacon]

Because they would teleport to a bulb anyways
Another bandaid fix

[severe turret]

no but
i cant bulbyeet anymore :ccccccc

[steel beacon]

In a way that it favors damage over crowd controll 😴 💤

[elder trout]

goodbye this lovely moment

[velvet burrow]

I love using arrow shield to get bulb up top

[wraith osprey]

you mean using hook?

[velvet burrow]

Hmm I wonder if u can still use hook

[wraith osprey]

you cant

[plucky helm]

whomp whomp

[tropic lily]

i love killing bulbs with reflectio[n

[velvet burrow]

same

[median badge]

me when setting this thread muted after 48 hours inactive

[devout roost]

hushy wushy

[wide edge]

finally

[muted meadow]

I smelled someone using my drawings

[wraith osprey]

You must take dire action- Alone, your light shall illuminate nothing. Let me provide direction, and strike me down

[limber pilot]

@polar token Did You intentionally shorten greg's leap time between roar and leap itself? It seems like nerf to etw but it ends up being only another reason to use etw cata (which doesn't care about leap since it can easily dodge it always) AND a huge nerf to I assume intented way of fighting the boss which is kiting.

nah melee changes very cool

would give greg his old melee dmg though

[median badge]

we dont want greg one shot divzer users again

[limber pilot]

1 old melee always left me at like sub 1k health

[river skiff]

rn i cant even use tremorcaller to dodge leap

[steel beacon]

He still has his hard melee but that change was another thing to discourage tanks (not only % damage but true knockback as well) :doom:

[limber pilot]

Well at least now it doesn't cancel elusive which is a minor w in comparison with new leap giga L

[polar token]

I havnt changed it yet

it is gunna be changed when the attack line comes in

to show where its attack goes

[limber pilot]

There is no way leap time delay has not changed, now it takes ~1 second where before it was ~2 👀

[polar token]

It has not

[steel beacon]

well

[limber pilot]

Previously I was able to turn around cast charge 2 times and then greg leaped, now I die at moment of casting charge.

[polar token]

was that added yet?

can u see the attack line

if so yes it was changed

[steel beacon]

idk, perhaps salted is just bald and implemented it without you knowing it

[limber pilot]

Also Greg sometimes now jumps for like 1 block of height

[polar token]

idk why that is

but yee he is now likw 1.5 seconds

and before it was 2

[limber pilot]

It practicaly Impossible to dodge for people with bad ping

Currently you need to 1. Have VERY stable connection, 2. Be on adderall to be able to play at almost superhuman level to dodge it

[polar token]

I can make it back to 2 sec

[limber pilot]

(I would suggest making his leap hitbox higher to kill catas [I will become public enemy #1 for trying to stop meta])

Not as if they aren't high dps enough to never have to worry about those

[steel beacon]

(suggest adding a undodgeable instance of damage )

[polar token]

naa just

making it back to 2 seconds

the ping issue is something I didnt consider

the nameless has a lot of changes made to it rn but they arnt pushed

we are holding off on pushing them to make sure they are like good lol

I talked about some before, I wasnt sure if the jump changes were pushed or saved back

[limber pilot]

The low jump thing was one of these changes? I can give get a clip if needed

[polar token]

no it wasnt

i have no idea why thats happening

can u give a clip

[limber pilot]

Alr need to crop/host

[limber pilot]

https://streamable.com/gbfvwy

[polar token]

hmmm

I wonder if maybe he is hitting his own line

wait

can u guys see the blue line?

that shows where he is charging?

[limber pilot]

To be honest I don't know I personally have never noticed it but maybe it's because I always play close archetypes

[polar token]

its not in game then

something didnt get fully pushed

maybe that is causing the issue

I think its a pretty obvious line

[limber pilot]

Also this lil jump is very rare

This is the only case I have personally seen it and only 1 other person said they encountered it as well

[polar token]

Im gunna figure out what file didnt get pushed

cuz u shud see a bright blue particle line

in the direction he is jumping

or charging

[limber pilot]

Checked 5 seconds after this clip ends (I die due to fast leap ) And there was no line

[polar token]

yeee that might be why there is the short leap

[unborn crescent]

Did something change about the nameless in the festival of the blizzard? Or is everyone just talking about the changes that were pushed a week or two ago (or whenever it was)?

I do remember seeing a blue line though, it pretty much shows up when you're looking away from greg as to not get hit by charge. It is quite small and relatively invisible though.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1144780928800014456/1180098527532171305/image.png?ex=658ea466&is=657c2f66&hm=396d3c31b635ff9075be875bb860022f2768df13542fc4fa18c4bc4a6a706403&

[limber pilot]

This is the line 👀 ?

Gotta rewatch with it in mind then

I think i see it in this frame

[unborn crescent]

Yes it's up quite high, you barely ever see it in gameplay because you will never be focusing on it. (Mostly because of the new reduced charge delay).

I don't know if it's on the ground slam like the patch notes suggest, it might be.

[polar token]

huh odd

its much more obvious on gm

I wonder if like the particle amounts are just

lesser?

on main

this has been an issue with stuff before where particles seem to just not be as easy to see on main, this is why we use explosion a lot for effects as its hard to miss

[steel beacon]

hmm, I wonder if there's an option to make greg hard lock on the line when he's charging (like for example, spawning a stationary, invisible target dummy on targeted player position whenever he roars and then after delay making him charge to it)

[velvet burrow]

I got an idea instead of using particles, replace blocks in the ground with a blue line of concrete lol

[river skiff]

that probably wouldnt look good at all

[white solstice]

What about over void holes

[dusky forum]

if it was a single line it would be really ugly but if it was a bunch of blocks.. nexus of light shifting tiles ☹️

[dire scarab]

me with particles mininal

[coarse sparrow]

@polar token why is the endermite capable of doing over 15K dmg

[polar token]

idk

it shouldnt

u sure something else didnt hit u

[coarse sparrow]

nope

[polar token]

it does 3.2 to 3.3 neutal

[coarse sparrow]

i looked back where i died and it was gone

[polar token]

so I dont think thats what killed u

[coarse sparrow]

also the lightholder can take dmg from being too far away from light

[polar token]

how can they be too far?

[coarse sparrow]

i have a clip of me taking dmg sec

[polar token]

I mean I really dont think the grub is what killed u in that first clip

maybe u got caught in a spell or something u were weak to

it wasnt even really close enough to melee u it seems

[mortal moon]

it did over 10k hp to my friend who used gma

[polar token]

oh

something got fucked up with its back end

it has a attack rate of 10

not 1

for some reason

lol

so it does like 30k dps

[coarse sparrow]

💥

[steel beacon]

🔥

[polar token]

was it always like that?

cuz we just did some mob back end reworks and it was automatic

[polar token]

this mighta been fucked up form that

[coarse sparrow]

it has been i cannot tell you how many times a random mob has 1 shot me in that room alone

[polar token]

I mean its cuz u moved that fast? there isnt much i could do that wouldnt lag the server

[steel beacon]

Skipper, deserved

[polar token]

like I could make it move and check with the player super fast but it would be laggy

[coarse sparrow]

other times it has not really happened, this is my first time experiencing it

[polar token]

but yee the bug guy is fixed

that was odd lol

[coarse sparrow]

do we have to wait for servers to restart

[mortal moon]

yes

[steel beacon]

TNA try to have 0 issues for 5 minutes challenge (impossible)

[coarse sparrow]

youll barely noticed it

[polar token]

tbh minecraft lgiit just isnt built to have something like raids in it

a lot of the issue just cant be fixed or by fixing them u cause other issues

add on server lag causing even more issues

its just a pain in the ass

this is why Im never making a raid again

I hate it

[coarse sparrow]

no more fruma raid

there will be no war inside the fruman walls

[mortal moon]

guild war

[polar token]

I mean someone else might make future raids

but I just am not

[sweet warren]

what's your thunder defense

[sweet warren]

...

[coarse sparrow]

am i suppose to have 1000 thunder defense

[sweet warren]

is that ehp from agility

[coarse sparrow]

probably

[polar token]

that might be it

it does like 9k self destruct

it coulda self destructed on u

well 10 k

[sweet warren]

You literally just missed your agility proc. Its damage was fine.

[polar token]

and that would be why u didnt see it

I mean I still nerfed it down a little bit

[coarse sparrow]

the mobs damage is 3 neutruel but the self destruct is 10k

[polar token]

3k

3.2 3.3

[sweet warren]

It deals ~3250 damage, and its self-destruct is three times that. It also deals 1 thunder damage, so if you have thunder weakness it hits harder but if you resist it doesn't hit for less

there's no problem with the mob, you just missed your agility proc.

[polar token]

I dont think its self destruct should be so much

considering how often it goeso ff

300 self destruct is a lot

for a basic mob

[wraith osprey]

its telegraphed well enough

what sucks is homing shots miss that mob cvompletely

[coarse sparrow]

i was relying on arrow shield to kill it

[polar token]

that mob was not its home

[sweet warren]

It's also got super super low health for a raid enemy, and only middling speed, so that self-destruct isn't likely to hit unless you stand completely still

like what was happening in the clip.

[wraith osprey]

what

[sweet warren]

this is NOT the void grub's fault, you just needed to do something other than stand in place holding right click

[coarse sparrow]

i was actually moving backwards in that clip

[sweet warren]

barely

[wraith osprey]

notice it

[sweet warren]

that 100% is not the mob's fault, you just needed to pay better attention.

[steel beacon]

youll barely notice it

[coarse sparrow]

ok im moving in this one what is the issue with this

[tough pond]

i think that the funny boom endermie should be able to 1tap low ehp users

[steel beacon]

Your skill

[severe turret]

simply too little ehp

[coarse sparrow]

you'll barely notice it

[wraith osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155296858692911145/1185131449888804865/89fygr.gif?ex=658e7eac&is=657c09ac&hm=0bfad3355c4bbd2df2d3e8ae92178cac304991175cb2fee488d3b3f99dfa2175&

[steel beacon]

(Sorry I had to)

[sweet warren]

There seemed to be a lot of enemies around and that Metaphysical Walker was charging up a spell

[wraith osprey]

switch to hmelee

[sweet warren]

you probably walked right into something.

[coarse sparrow]

hmelee trying to charge up to 7 focus (it hasnt hit greg once)

[coarse sparrow]

i checked the path and there was nothing

[wraith osprey]

dont use homing shots on hmelee problem solved

[steel beacon]

bug abuse

[coarse sparrow]

i also had my arrow shield up so if i did run into something the shield would bounce it off

[sweet warren]

You probably got hit by the Metaphysical Walker casting Heavy Explosion. It deals 250% damage and it has about 3625 damage

and archers take more damage from mobs, so your agility most likely failed you again

[wraith osprey]

foiled again

[sweet warren]

you were definitely within range of it, heavy explosion goes out 9 blocks

[polar token]

fake news cnn agility never fails

[coarse sparrow]

9 blocks in radius or diameter

[sweet warren]

Radius. It's big.

[coarse sparrow]

💀

so ur telling it it has a 17 block diameter

[steel beacon]

It can knock out players standing on platform...

[coarse sparrow]

thats why i was tryna kill it

[sweet warren]

and you stood too close, and got whacked.

[coarse sparrow]

didnt know half the mobs in tna have a self destruct 17 block diameter nuclear explosion spell

[steel beacon]

It can legit 4 shot rainbow idol user

[polar token]

self destruct doesnt

[dusky forum]

my bad next time ill just sit in the corner of the room like tricksters and not participate in gameplay until a voidhole spawns

[coarse sparrow]

💥

[wraith osprey]

4 people on stump

[sweet warren]

self-destruct and explosion have 5 block radii, heavy explosion has a 9 block radius.

[sweet warren]

or perhaps since they were an archer they could have Utilized Their Longer Range

[coarse sparrow]

the long range in question when the mob moves 3 blocks to the left (homing shot misses)

[dusky forum]

phantom ray 10 block

[sweet warren]

16 block

[sweet warren]

it was standing completely still aggro'd to the guys on the stump.

[wraith osprey]

power shots 🤓

[coarse sparrow]

well if id go any further my homing shots would hit other things really

[dusky forum]

the long range homing shot in question vs a bulb catcher (the shot will never hit a moving object going the same direction 🔥 )

[wraith osprey]

btw i always wondered why do homing shots actually home instead of having like a 1 block radius hitbox for mobs

[steel beacon]

Still I'm just sometimes "amused" by amount of issues 2.0 brings over 1 year after its release (almost 1.5 if you include hero beta)

[wraith osprey]

makes no sense to not have them just land when they are close

[sweet warren]

So what you're saying is your setup was experiencing problems with the task at hand

obviously homing shots needs to have better velocity, but

[steel beacon]

You could make power shots working with it

[coarse sparrow]

only half of homing shots can actually hit greg when its spinning in circles

[wraith osprey]

feel like coding for them to home is more work than having them just hit, and it creates more problems too

[polar token]

actually wait nvm im stupid i can add a fix for this without lagging the game

Ill do that

[dusky forum]

this is so awesome and cool this is my favorite part

[sweet warren]

I don't see much of a reason to change the raid over the problems you're having, it just sounds like you're falling victim to a few abilities being suboptimal that we already know about

[wraith osprey]

does anyone have more footage of greg charge telegraph particles?

[coarse sparrow]

when the walker does its explosion does it create explosion particles

[sweet warren]

yep, but you wouldn't see them in that clip cause you died

[coarse sparrow]

i feel like the inconsistency of damage in the raid is a bit annoying

[wraith osprey]

agility moment

[sweet warren]

where is the damage inconsistent? the only thing inconsistent in the clips you've shown is your agility, which is by design

[coarse sparrow]

there will be mobs doing 1000-2000 dmg and then some doing 10K+

[sweet warren]

such as?

Also, that damage range sounds very agility-like, must say.

[coarse sparrow]

the walker doing 10k and then the normal mobs in that room does nothing

[sweet warren]

3625*2.5=9062.5

It is an explosion that occurs with telegraphing, preceded by multiple smaller explosions that deal much less damage

You're saying that mob spells shouldn't deal extra damage compared to normal?

[coarse sparrow]

isnt it its only attack other than melee

[sweet warren]

No????????

[coarse sparrow]

in like 10 seconds i seen it explode twice

[sweet warren]

It has two combos- either it rapidly explodes three times and then does Heavy Explosion, or it explodes four times with greater delay between the explosions, then uses heal.

[coarse sparrow]

rapidly as in how many seconds

[sweet warren]

The explosions from its healing combo deal the same damage as usual, but the explosions from the combo that ends in heavy explosion do 1/3 standard damage, as they're intended to clue you in that he's about to do a powerful attack.

[sweet warren]

Three times in three seconds, then there's a 2 second gap after that before the heavy explosion.

[polar token]

they appear to be broken on main

[sweet warren]

With the healing combo, he explodes four times in 10 seconds instead.

[polar token]

cuz particles seem to just become like lesser cuz or particle limits

[coarse sparrow]

what about the heavy explosion what is the timer on that

[polar token]

I am looking at a different solution for an attack indicator that isnt particles

[coarse sparrow]

so its a 2 second timer for the heavy explosion?

[wraith osprey]

im curious how you solved the problem of greg changing tragectory as it follows the player

[sweet warren]

after three explosions in a row over three seconds.

[polar token]

what do u mean?

[wheat mango]

How are you dying to these fodder mobs 💀💀💀💀

[sweet warren]

And that's not even accounting for the usual spell chargeup time.

[sweet warren]

They're assuming their EHP is their actual HP without regarding the fact they're using agility

[coarse sparrow]

i dont usually play games where a normal mob has a huge explosion radius

[sweet warren]

It's not a normal mob. It's a strong enemy in a raid.

[wheat mango]

You have more than enough experience with tna to know the mobs mechanics

You're just bad lol

[coarse sparrow]

the strong enemy in question dies to like 5 shots

[polar token]

https://tenor.com/view/muzeke-gif-27066381

[wraith osprey]

remember i asked if greg decided where to leap at the moment of the leap or before and you said both? i undestoon that as following the player, which means the telegraph of the attack probably follow as well?

[sweet warren]

Then boy, you shoulda shot it, huh.

[polar token]

yes it does

[coarse sparrow]

how am i suppose to know that it has a 17 block diameter explosion

[polar token]

every mob with explosion has either a 5 block radius or a 9 block radius

[polar token]

its not like this spell is only used in TNA

[sweet warren]

by having played the game before and looked at other mobs who have used spells

[coarse sparrow]

you are crazy if you think a human cant make mistakes

[coarse sparrow]

the rapid explosion doesnt look rapid and they look the same

[sweet warren]

This is an endgame activity. You've had 103 levels to get used to this.

[polar token]

if the mob dies in 5 hits why didnt u just hit it 5 times forehead smh my head

[coarse sparrow]

i didnt know it has a 17 block diameter explosion radius so i got closer

the explosion looks small asf as indicated from that video i just sent

[wraith osprey]

is there anything in the game that prepares you for heart of darkness?

[sweet warren]

That's cause it wasn't using the heavy explosion

[coarse sparrow]

hell it looks exactly the same as my explosion radius which has like maybe a 3 block radius

[sweet warren]

to hell with this, I'm getting a video of it ready

[polar token]

ok dude Like ligit have u never seen ANY mob in the game that has the spell heavy explosion? its not a unique spell to this 1 mob that is upsetting u

its ligit used in hundreads of mobs

I personally have made tons of mobs that use that spell with the crazy 9 block radius

[coarse sparrow]

i have not

[polar token]

Sorry but like

[polar token]

get good

is all I can say

[coarse sparrow]

i have been playing this game for 4 months

[sweet warren]

265 mobs have heavy explosion.

[coarse sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-risk-of-rain2-ror2-artificer-gif-24205374

[polar token]

then why should we listen to you when so many other people dont have this issue with heavy explosion?

[coarse sparrow]

i am asking about it

[polar token]

Like every other raid uses it

a lot actually

tcc and orph use it in their spell combos

[coarse sparrow]

i dont do any other raids than tna

[polar token]

and a ton of loot run mobs

use it

and other mobs in tna use it

[sweet warren]

sounds like a personal problem to me

[steel beacon]

the good times when orphion's heavy explosion could wipe entire team with one proc

or was it just normal explosion, idr

[polar token]

that was def heavy

[sweet warren]

Here. Explosion versus Heavy Explosion.

See the difference?

[coarse sparrow]

in my clip it didnt do that explosion like that though

[polar token]

cuz u died

[sweet warren]

In your clip you died.

[polar token]

before the particles showed up

[coarse sparrow]

i meant this

[polar token]

that was normal explosion

[coarse sparrow]

the 3 explosions happened instantly rather than in 3 seconds

[sweet warren]

Did you forget when I said it had two combos?

[steel beacon]

normal is single particle and heavy multiple, right?

[polar token]

also heavy has just a large radius of particles

[coarse sparrow]

u didnt really explain what the 2 combos did

[sweet warren]

It was using the combo that ended in heal, which has it casting its explosions much smaller.

[sweet warren]

I literally did, but okay.

[coarse sparrow]

so the walker used heal twice?

[sweet warren]

Receipts.

[coarse sparrow]

neither of those have explained the 3 explosions that happened instantly twice in 5 seconds

[sweet warren]

The 3 explosions that happened instantly, twice, in 5 seconds.

You've named four different time scales. Try again.

[coarse sparrow]

wym

did you not see the clip I sent you said it happens 3 times in 3 seconds but in the clip it happened 3 times instantly

you then it's a combo which I don't see how anything you have said makes it a combo

[sweet warren]

Are you even looking at your own clip? I've watched it like ten times and he explodes twice.

With about 3 seconds between each explosion.

As in, the exact explosion timing on his combo that ends in heal.

[coarse sparrow]

so it healed twice?

[sweet warren]

...

[coarse sparrow]

well it looks like 3 explosions to me but what you are saying is 1 so I'll go with that and so far the only thing that has 1 explosion from it's attack is heavy and heal

[sweet warren]

LEARN TO READ.

I have been telling you in the exactest terms I can manage what is happening and you're somehow taking away from this a bunch of completely different sentences.

Let me get you another video that shows both combos.

Can you see the difference now? I was looking away from the first explosion of its combo, but it did the heal combo, the heavy explosion combo, the heavy explosion combo, then the heal combo IN THAT ORDER.

Four explosions, then heal. Three explosions, then heavy explosion. Three explosions, then heavy explosion. Four explosions, then heal.

What you saw in your clip was it doing the heal combo, where it explodes four times over the span of 10 seconds, then does heal.

Explode, wait three seconds, explode, wait three seconds, explode, wait two seconds, explode, wait two seconds, cast heal.

[wheat mango]

Bro is going in

[wraith osprey]

date idea: Sevlut's enemy testing coliseum

[coarse sparrow]

I gues it was prob server lag or smth

because what I seen in your clip is the attacks have like a 3 second delay between each

the one I saw from my clip had a 5 second but yea I see the healing ability it tried to do at the very end

[sweet warren]

No, it wasn't.

You just weren't paying attention. It wasn't done with its combo.

You killed it before it finished. You recorded the clip, how do you not know this.

[coarse sparrow]

I dont have any of the information you have none of this is public besides observation of the enemy

unless it's in the wiki

[sweet warren]

It exploded at around 2 seconds in on the timer of your clip, and then exploded again at around 5 seconds in on the timer of your clip.

Let's do some math! What is 5-2?

3!!!

[coarse sparrow]

what do you mean 3 seconds

[sweet warren]

I'm done

[coarse sparrow]

?

it looks like 5 seconds to me looking at the end of the explosion for both

[sweet warren]

if you do another playthrough please actually try to pay attention to how mobs cast spells and maybe you won't be so utterly lost

[coarse sparrow]

I don't think anyone looks at a mob that is killed in 3 seconds on average to observe the attack it does that spans over 15 seconds

hence why I am asking you

[sweet warren]

I can't trust you to use your eyes. I've got coke bottle glasses and I can tell what's happening what is your excuse

[wraith osprey]

i still dont know what the boss in rol 3 does

[coarse sparrow]

not alot of people know what it does even through thousands of runs because nobody sits there observing that it does

asking you guys helps bring the information more accessible and clearer

[sweet warren]

You have a literal timed clip and somehow you're measuring from the first moment its spell telegraphing particles appear to the last moment the explosion particles end on the second explosion. No one measures like that unless they're arguing in bad faith

[coarse sparrow]

I am not arguing and I did not intent to I was simply asking since the beginning

[sweet warren]

Yes, you very literally are. I'm not continuing this.

[coarse sparrow]

you seem like you surrounded yourself with people who argue a lot

not everyone is trying get you or smth

[limber pilot]

Epoch users when agility fail 🤯

[coarse sparrow]

gambling my survivability with this one

[plucky helm]

inflation

[elder trout]

epoch users when they expect their agility to work

(they want to make their braindead class even more braindead)

[limber pilot]

Hey don’t trash talk entire class we have gma/div and uhhh uhhhh BB Spring?

[spare ingot]

What happened to this thread

[steel beacon]

people went insane

[spare ingot]

I mean personally I think being oneshot in the hardest raid with a 9k hp build is completely fine

[steel beacon]

it is

people when: drawback for deleting greg in less than 20s

[sharp ibex]

true

[wide edge]

true

[mortal moon]

mehku y r u a turtle now

[wide edge]

dehydrated

also is a dino

[mortal moon]

oh

[wide edge]

epoch users truly experience the most brain rot of all

[sharp ibex]

how tf do you see a turtle

[mortal moon]

i did not click on that image and i was on phone

[sharp ibex]

look closer

also turtles aren’t blue

[river skiff]

yeah no greg doesnt give enough time for shamans to dodge dash

i casted totem at like 9 cps and then greg dashed not giving me enough time to haul