Patch the "wall cheese" in The Nameless Anomaly.

[polar token]

Like I cant add it anyway

[sharp ibex]

exactly

[wet nymph]

i think there should be some reason why dps should matter

[polar token]

like we are talking hypothetical changes

cuz i cant even add a dps cap

but there is ligit nothing i can do

if u can kill the nameless in 5 seconds

[sharp ibex]

and increasing hp just makes slower runs even slower

[polar token]

if u can do 20 million damage in 5 seconds

like

I cant do shit to stop that

[slim grail]

Ease of killing things in challenge rooms is enough imo

[wet nymph]

i think the issue lies more with powercreep being so beyond horrid, being even worse than hsb powercreep 😭

[plucky helm]

Have you considered separating their healthbar across different entities instead of using the current system?

[slim grail]

Things take a while to kill on most builds

[polar token]

yes

[plucky helm]

So that you can't skip watched phases

[polar token]

so like th watched

I do agree its slow

if i forced watched

I would make it faster

like 1 warning lazer and only 6 shots

not 12

[slim grail]

Isn't it 10 shots?

[polar token]

oh its 10

it was 12

lol

either way

I would make it 6 shots

and prob change it up for the 50% and 25%

so its not the same thing again

just to make it more interesting and not the same each time

sorta like how the eye

has the falling eyes

and the lazers

not just falling eyes each time

[wet nymph]

the black pill is realizing 2.0 is the issue

[polar token]

AT is just such a balance issue

nameless was hard af without it

like it was made before AT was a thing

so without AT the boss is a hard long fight

but with it its a fuckign joke

and so is every other boss

[wet nymph]

so uh whens xavier gonna fix at

[polar token]

its not just xavier that has to fix it

[plucky helm]

yea

[gritty summit]

time to add a new hard raid with customizable difficulty for fun mode and/or make wars mainstream 👍

[polar token]

Some back end shit

fucking no one likes making raids

[wet nymph]

this doesnt combat the real issue lol

[polar token]

Like fr most CT hate making raids

[wet nymph]

if i had to deal with these raidas, id hate it too

[polar token]

Not just that

[wide edge]

@sharp ibex look its cath

[polar token]

Like

its sooo much work and data

probably the hardest content to make

in terms of technical stuff

and then when its made

everyone complains to you

about everything

there is a reason I am never making a raid again

I almost quit the CT making it

it just killed me

[wide edge]

please dont make fruma's end game content just another raid i think that would suck

[devout roost]

fart

[wet nymph]

i think what you should do

[sharp ibex]

real

[slim grail]

Well thank you for still being here and working on it, I enjoy seeing balance improvements all the time

[wet nymph]

is make forgery cooler, thatd be the saver of the endgame and your mental

[wide edge]

surely

[polar token]

I much prefer making the loot runs and caves and all that stuff

that was much more fun

[wet nymph]

can u fix this one corkus challenge and tune down se thanks

[polar token]

fix what corkus ones

and no to the se

[wet nymph]

u need to resign

[sharp ibex]

wait no if it was cath it would have like 700 wynncraft tattoos and 16 different cats

[polar token]

se Lr already got nefed a lot lol

[wide edge]

cath before and after

[sharp ibex]

true

[wet nymph]

this challenge spawns anti camp mobs literally no matter where u are

its a defend, and it sucks. i hate it.

[polar token]

uhhh have you consdiered not camping 🤓

[wet nymph]

I COULD BE ON TOP OF THE DEFEND AS LOW TO THE GROUND AS POSSIBLE AND IT STILL SPAWNS, THE Y LEVEL CHECKER VALUE IS WRONG

I AM ON THE GROUND AND IT SPAWNS

[polar token]

wait what is teh defend object there ?

i can check that real quick

[wet nymph]

uh idk on a path or smth, its the defend right infront of fallen factory

idk the name sorry bestie

also ngl man for a couple of the challs, the anti afk mobs spawn way too easily, speaking as an acro player that is

[gritty summit]

agreed if you are aerial in any form those mobs start spawning like wild in a lot of challenges

[polar token]

this?

[wet nymph]

yeah that one

[median badge]

ye

[gritty summit]

SE seems a bit overturned to me but just my opinion

[polar token]

lol

[wet nymph]

some challenges are worse than others

[polar token]

someone

moved that defend object

and the height on the anti camp mobs

wasnt changed

Ill fix it

[median badge]

i love how i can do 100 challenge in sky but i died at challenge 3 in se

[wet nymph]

👍

[polar token]

fixed now

[gritty summit]

idk if the goal is to make se hardest or make them all similarly hard but I def noticed at some point SE difficulty just jumped like crazy. haven't run much recently tho like 1-2 runs to feel

[wet nymph]

thanks lumi!

[polar token]

se is meant to be the hardest lr

people have fucked with the difficulty so like

maybe someone buffed it

i spent most of my time nerfing it cuz everyone yelled about it

[river skiff]

skill issue

[median badge]

real

[polar token]

that fix wil be pushed in next patch

also the corkus lr got some QOL changes

the farming spot has 2 paths to it

[wet nymph]

LFG!!!!!!

[polar token]

and the avos animation totem cave

the pipe next to it

now is a fan

that will pull u up

[median badge]

YIPPEEEEEEEE

[polar token]

if u jump into it

so u can easily get back up

[wet nymph]

kewl

[median badge]

No more unnecessary spamming rrr!

[wet nymph]

did u do a le epic toxic cave nerf

also why did u change toxic cave comp to like that one witch bat guy instead of the giant

or was that something else question mark

[polar token]

wait what?

the giant was removed?

[gritty summit]

oh ye it might've been toxic cave it was just one random cave challenge that randomly one tapped suddenly and then the rest were normal

[median badge]

i think one of the them is that the bat is unaffected by gravity

[wet nymph]

no its there, but u need to kill the witch to open the chest

[polar token]

oh ye

its always been like that

[wet nymph]

yeah but why

[median badge]

i think aassin meant before 2.0.3 you kill the giant instead of the witch

[polar token]

ooh

yee that was a bug

[wet nymph]

it was changed in like 2.0.3, and it just seems weird

[polar token]

so like

the witch guy toxic guy

[median badge]

giant drops the key is a bug?

oh god my life has been ruined

[polar token]

is meant to be controlling the other toxic mobs

[dusky forum]

the solution is to remove the walls and if you fall off the platform you die 👍

[polar token]

the guy

was based on

this guy

demongo from samurai jack

who is like a dude that summons monsters from hell or whatever

[wet nymph]

is that why he shotguns you once and one shots you on warrior

[polar token]

and the toxic guy

is meant to be like

summoning monsters

from the toxic waists

to fight for him

and he turns into a bat to like run away

and let his monsters fight

but he is the guy u are meant to kill

[median badge]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[polar token]

^ this guy summons deamons to fight for him

I think he even turns into a bat

and thats why the toxic guy turns into a bat

it was heavily based on him

the giant dropping the key was not intentional

[fluid pewter]

wall cheese is in their blood, i hope the community gets well soon

[wet nymph]

that bat is so obscenely annoying man, not to mention the shotgun literally one shotting me in chal 10 if i dont get like 5 defense boons

[fluid pewter]

(this was after the patch)

[polar token]

in a lootrun?

[wet nymph]

chal 10 insinuates camp lootrun ye

[polar token]

well my point is that

yea ofc

he does more damge in a lr

[wet nymph]

dude

dying at chal 10 instantly is not normal, im not using a glass build i have 90 defense 45 agi and 12k hp on assassin

[polar token]

leme look at his stats then

[gritty summit]

I agree something wrong with the bat shotgun loool

[wet nymph]

some other chals are a little overtuned hp wise if anything but its like not as pertinent or bad as that specific challenges

altho i do find it funny its like insane warrior tax but sadly that also means its assassin tax which is NOT based.

[gritty summit]

hp tuning seemed fine to me

just some cave mobs randomly one shotting through high ehp

[wet nymph]

do u play warrior

[polar token]

ah his damge

on arrowstorm

is stupid high

also I can make his bat be less annoying

[wet nymph]

YES 🙏

[polar token]

also

do u have - earth def?

most if his damage is earth

[wet nymph]

i think i have neutral

[polar token]

NEUTRAL: 370-380
EARTH: 700-700

thats his base damage

and his arrow storms did

75%

[wet nymph]

oh i have like -50 oops

[polar token]

that

each shot

well

hmmmm

hmmmmm

that would explain

[fluid pewter]

everyone i've talked to finds it too op

[polar token]

I still nerfed it

75% arrowstorm is crazy

[wet nymph]

i will say i doubt even if i had neutral it wouldnt insta pop

[polar token]

I nerfed it to 25%

[wet nymph]

ur so real for that

[fluid pewter]

best ct

[polar token]

also I made the bat phase quicker

2 less charge and the time between charge is shorter

[fluid pewter]

nerf spire of eyes pls 🙏

some mob can 1 tap you there at any challenge and you can't really do anything unless you have a flying class

[plucky helm]

How fragile are you

That you are being one tapped

[fluid pewter]

like 30k ehp no agi

[wet nymph]

thats kinda tanky rn ngl

[fluid pewter]

its a very weird destroy tbh

[wet nymph]

spire of eyes is the tree one right?

[fluid pewter]

its clear that it got far more attention than any other destroy but its also the hardest one by far

[plucky helm]

It's the koth one

[wet nymph]

koth?

[fluid pewter]

idk if it's fair to complain about permafrost drake 1 tapping you since its more or less a boss enemy, but that is still a thing, also at any challenge with the same ehp

also fumedragons and the last mob of dragon delta are way too strong compared to other enemies at the same difficulty

[wet nymph]

the rodo cave one?
tealy confirmed he plans to nerf that mob

[fluid pewter]

yea all of the above were about rodo

you mean the dragon delta one?

[wet nymph]

think thats dragon delta one

[fluid pewter]

ooo thats nice

[gritty summit]

wait what is normal astorm base multiplier

[polar token]

what mobs

do u mean teh anti camp mobs in the trees?

[polar token]

if u mean the mbo spell there is no base multiplier

basically u just set what % damage each arrow does for the spell

mosttt of the time its around 25%

[fluid pewter]

there's a big guy that does way too much dmg, he spawns normally without going to a safespot

[polar token]

which big guy lol

[wet nymph]

where tf is eyes of spire

[fluid pewter]

ok time to go do se lootrun xd

[polar token]

hold on maybe i can tell u the nams

[wet nymph]

its se?

[fluid pewter]

i probably dont remember cause i barely did se after 2.0.4

[polar token]

the Gurana?

[fluid pewter]

something like that

[polar token]

thats the like "boss" of the are a

ill look at his stats

NEUTRAL: 400-450
EARTH: 800-800
FIRE: 800-800

his spell is HEAVY_CHARGE HEAVY_CHARGE HEAVY_EXPLOSION

with damage % 200 200 300

so yee thats a lot

hmm

[fluid pewter]

this mf just ate 10k of my hp at 3rd challenge with no curses D:

[polar token]

yes

his 3rd spell does 6k

and if u nave negative ele def

it will be worse

• loot run mob bufs

its a lot

[fluid pewter]

i only have -29 fire def

[polar token]

then maybe he hit u 2 timesi dk

but I am nerfing his spell damage

and his base damage a little

[fluid pewter]

🙏

[wheat mango]

Damn I guess we need a dps cap for forgery bosses too so we can see all their spells

And LI

[polar token]

I mean I really only think this is an issue with raids

given how u have 4 people

and also nameless is the highest level

rn at least

and either way its not like I can eve nadd a dps cap

the point is that if the "end game boss" rn can be killed in 5 seconds something has gone terribly wrong and there needs to be some kind of change

and I dont wanna just give the nameless more hp cuz that would fuck over anyone who isnt min maxing some insane build

[wet nymph]

imma be honest forgery just doesnt have much complexity or spells to thme so thats already a shrug

[wheat mango]

Picking "you skip his spells" as an argument out of all the points you could make is like picking grape out of a bag of skittles

[wet nymph]

LI on the other hand, if you wanna skip mechanics like you do in raids, it takes infinitely more skill than greg

[polar token]

I mean yea?

thats a huge problem

is that u skip the fight

if there was a bug that let u skip the greg fight in 5 seconds

we would patch it

[wet nymph]

i think he just wants to do an easy fight lol

[polar token]

just cuz u do the same thing with AT

doesnt change the issue

you dont have to engage with gregs fight

dodging his ttacks

dealing with him as a boss

when u can kill him in 5 seconds

[wet nymph]

even 1 watched is beyond easy as shit

like i only semi pay attention to see if he charges, and then kinda watch for when he goes into watched

[polar token]

I will not respect or do anything to appease people who have the opinion that it is ok and normal to have the hardest boss in the game totally be skipped with a certain stratagy

its the same as I do not respect walling as a ligit strat

walling is a cheese

and this is just an OP strat and build

but it still casues the same thing

[wet nymph]

no but mid takes so much more skill and grace period is like not a bug so it should be a real strat!

idk man these people have thousands of tna raids... theyre kinda serious raidas... they know what theyre talking about...

[polar token]

slogging out the nameless with a normal build. dealing with is attacks, doging, fighting, tanking, retreating, jumping over the void holes

that is skill

that is the point of the fight

if you dont like that

I dont care

[fluid pewter]

selfish idiots who only care about faster runs rather than the game's state

[polar token]

dont play the fight then

[polar token]

facts

[wet nymph]

isnt someone like really close to 10000 tna runs lol

[wheat mango]

I am convinced you have not completed the the raid past room 3 by this point

[polar token]

I made the fucking raidd

[grave halo]

They literally created the raid

[wet nymph]

this mf REALLY wants to do tna in 5 seconds

[polar token]

I made the boss

[wheat mango]

It literally doesn't matter if I do it in 5 seconds or 500 seconds I don't lose lol

[wet nymph]

no but dude this guy has done so many tna raids he literally knows good game design

[polar token]

but doing in in 500 seconds takes skill

and you have to engage with the content

dodge

attack

run

tank

not just come in with a perfect setup

and do damge for 5 seconds

[wheat mango]

No lie it is way easier doing it in 500 than 5

[polar token]

your full of shjt

frankly there is no point in convicing me, I will never come to the opinion that doing the boss in 5 seconds is healthy

or a "good fight"

like ffs should we let you skip every quest if u have a good build

skip all parkour all quests all content

in 5 seconds

cuz u had a good build

and its faster?

[wheat mango]

Crazy

[polar token]

yea I am crazy

[wet nymph]

u should try and steal the entirety of hsb dungeons

[river skiff]

rats

[polar token]

I spent 1,500 hours of my life making this fucking raid

[fluid basin]

room

[polar token]

jsut to deal with people like you

thats what is crazy

[fluid pewter]

hsb dungeons are more skippable than tna

[wheat mango]

? Half the things you're accusing me of saying I haven't even brought up

[polar token]

you are saying you think its ok to kill the nameless in 5 seconds

[wet nymph]

i mean first off its actually hard

[polar token]

and that it should be allowed

and normal

and is hard

and is a better fight

hey just for you, for the next raid I will make the boss have 1 hp, so u can kill him extra quick

I'm sure you will find that fun

[wheat mango]

I haven't brought up 5 seconds = healthy literally once or suggested it LOL

[polar token]

Then what is your point?

state it clearly then

sense I am so stupid I can't understand it

[wheat mango]

The only point I made to you was this and you ran a marathon with it

[polar token]

what do you beleive then?

cuz you are being intentionally vague

and saying uhh uhh I didnt actually say that

[wheat mango]

I believe this was a great conversation

[polar token]

do you think the fight taking 5 seconds should remain?

and that the ct shouldn't do anything to adress it

cuz its clear that is why you are implying

[fluid basin]

i know my opionion really doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things

im for lengthening boss fights but u gotta add more depth to the fight

[wet nymph]

probably matters more than the average raida take

[wheat mango]

I'M LISTENING HENRY

[polar token]

I agree

[wet nymph]

i think tcc did well with phases and shit

[polar token]

lol I actually hate tcc

as a boss

[wet nymph]

maybe dont rip it exactly from that but boss phases ae cool and stuff

I HATE TCC OUTSIDE OF BOSS!!!!

[polar token]

I only made the tcc boss

I didnt make the whole raid

[fluid pewter]

imo the boss and its attacks should be so cool that players won't want to skip it, then it's the best bossfight achievable

[polar token]

I do agree that the watched could use better phase changes

[polar token]

thats never gunna happen

players will always want to do the most optinal easy strat

[wet nymph]

^

[polar token]

people used to say the nameless spells were so cool but when u play the raid 100 times

it looses its cool

[fluid basin]

if theres an end rewards you will always optimise the path to the reward over savoring the journey

[polar token]

my thoughts for now, cuz I can not actually do a dps cap

[fluid pewter]

then make the attacks unskippable, but make them worth the players' time

[polar token]

thats what i want to do

but some people are saying it doesnt mater

how cool the fight is

they just want to skip it cuz they have a proper build

I think really I wanna changed the watched

phases

to be only 1 watched

and 2

something else

different

[tender folio]

selvut said he nerfed it

[wet nymph]

lies

[tender folio]

really feels like it was buffed 5x

[wet nymph]

i just had an amazing idea

which spawned out of like pure vindiction out of raidas

brb.

[fluid pewter]

I'd say greg lacks "lore" as a boss. All we get is a brief introduction upon opening the area. I'd say we need a quest telling us what he is and why we even need to kill him, explain in-depth how strong he is lore-wise. As of right now, Orpion and Colossus feel more.. important? As bossfight, and the nameless is just a walking source of mythic tomes. It's not really related to the issue with 0 watched but it's something that is also lacking a bit

[polar token]

that was the oriognal plan

to give greg a quest

but no one wanted to do it

so it didnt get one

[fluid pewter]

moreover, lets be honest no one reads area descriptions

[polar token]

tbh I think some future content ideas would be to add a quest to SE for nameless

SE needs another quest anyway

I did heavily plan out the nameless lore

we just didnt get to add it in more than just some text

cuz of time

[fluid pewter]

idk maybe I'm just too much of a lore nerd lol

[polar token]

I mean do u know the nameless lore

Im not sure how clear some of it is in game rn

[fluid pewter]

well he creates void holes and he's the right hand of the dernic beast, that's it really

[polar token]

yes and no

he is not a servant of dern beast

[fluid pewter]

oh

[polar token]

so like

Basically the nameless is just like, some guy from dern lol. A powerful being. Not everything in dern is a servent of dern beast.

and he is creating the holes to try and escape dern but he cant

he just makes the holes

and cant go through them

[fluid pewter]

did he come to wynn at the same time as dernic beast did?

[polar token]

he never came to wynn

he cant leave dern

[fluid pewter]

oh, well, started creating holes

[polar token]

not clear

but there is some lore text

in the boss room

that says like out lie in

and the lore idea is

[fluid pewter]

whenever the realm of darkness releases, I wanna find out the reason why the nameless wanted to escape

[polar token]

in order to leave the nameless

u have to kill him

and by killing him

u basically unleash a void hole

that can finally suck u the players

out of dern

back into wynn

This lore is kinda bearly explained

in the lore text

and some build stuff

but its SUPER hard to see and I think its said on the wiki

I wanted a quest

but no one wanted to do it

[fluid pewter]

so blueshift archipelago is located inside dernic realm?

[polar token]

and i couldnt

yes

[fluid pewter]

i see

[polar token]

I believe that is stated on the wiki

either way its meant to be heavily implied

by the raid

this isnt like a leak of lore

the parts do exist to put this together in game just becuase we didnt get a quest out

its not super clear

[fluid pewter]

now we end up killing him despite him being peaceful

[polar token]

hes not like a peaseful guy

just some little guy

he just isnt a servent of dern beast

not everything in dern is one

[fluid pewter]

so he isn't an enemy

he's neither a friend nor an enemy yet we're forced to kill him

[polar token]

yee kinda

its some ironic shit where like

he can make all this void holes

all the creatues can go through

but he nameless

cant go through them

and only by killing himself, or the player killing him, can he or the player enter back into wynn

[fluid pewter]

It'd be so sick if he gave up at the end of the fight realizing all his efforts to leave dern were in vain.. buuuuut thats dev time xD

[polar token]

again I am looking into making som bigger changes to the nameless fight

thats why I keep aruging with people about the 5 seconds to kill

cuz the changes would stop that but also make the fight more interested

[fluid pewter]

while you're at it you could make his arena somewhat more interesting

like removing the barrier and adding some floating islands beyond that the players can stand on

a rectangle limited by barriers is kinda disappointing

[polar token]

it has to be like that

or else u can corner camp

or the nameless will fall off

[fluid pewter]

make him float! :D

[polar token]

I cant

he wont be able to jump

if he can float

[fluid pewter]

D:

[mortal moon]

make him tp back to the center of the arena if he falls off

[fluid pewter]

that's kinda stupid of him to fall off, just make him stop at the edge instead if that's possible

and if players camp outer islands he starts shooting something at them

tho its more dev time again

[polar token]

thats just not good lol

he will fall often

players will just fly over the void

and make him keep falling

lol

also it just looks like a bug

every time he would fall

[steel beacon]

Can't you ring xavier to nerf AT of the 2 most problematic classes currently? Like I'm pretty sure there could be a way to nerf assasin by a way the more clone it has, the less damage it deals

Ignore the message I responded on to

[polar token]

I mean maybe

the issue is other peole have a say in ability tree

not just xavier

[steel beacon]

It's kinda both

Greg is cheesable and there's too much damage and some classes can abuse the large hitbox

[polar token]

yee hmmm

regardless of dps shit

that i cant fix

I want forced phase changes

not forced watch 3 times

but 2 different phases

and 1 watched

[fluid pewter]

i agree with chargespam but assassin's dps is justified for how much risk it has to take; except that it's not a risk due to greg being too helpless

[steel beacon]

You can easily hit greg with all clones

Like I saw clips him getting melted in 20s by brass brand

[fluid pewter]

yea and that's normal, because if trickster clones wouldn't be able to hit greg it'd just make the entire archetype useless as it revolves around clones; also you have to be quite literally directly inside or above his hitbox, which would be a huge risk if greg was as strong as, say, colossus

[fluid pewter]

brass brand needs a nerf tbf, it outdamages all assassin mythics except 2

[polar token]

hmmmm what if the dragon fire balls

only shot at people in the air

instead of like the x shape on teh ground

cuz people flying basically have nothing that attacks them

[fluid pewter]

so it forces tricksters and chargespammers to land for a period of time? sounds cool, but only with a sound a few seconds before it

[polar token]

na for sure

basically im thinking like an extended upwards melee

[fluid pewter]

then idol and cata users would have to dodge or run from greg on the ground, thats interesting

[polar token]

so if u are like above 2-3 blocks above the ground

and close enough to him

he will make a sound and shoot a fireball

at u

[fluid pewter]

that'd completely kill pirouette, so ig it should have some cooldown

[polar token]

oh ofc lol

not like

spamming fireballs

just like every 2s it has a 20% chance to shoot 1 maybe

just as an example

[steel beacon]

Hey, I have one more question regarding dps cap and saying that you don't have technology. Is it rather because you don't have the tools to check how much damage mob took in X amount of time or it's something else, like not being able to give greg damage reduction?

If it's the first there could be a very stupid workaround for that

Like, every time greg loses 1 milion HP, he gains like stupid amount of damage reduction for 1 second

[polar token]

its both

tbh a lot of these changes to nameless

I would need to totally refactor the main spells script

he has

which I might just do

[plucky helm]

lumi.

[polar token]

madie.

[plucky helm]

its not. you just leaked.

[polar token]

na its pretty clear enough

[plucky helm]

no thats genuinely a leak

[polar token]

I made the lore, I added enough so people could put it together

[plucky helm]

hhrhrrrrrrrrrrrghhgh if you say so

[polar token]

if its not clear enough

then we didnt do a good enough job

making that clear

cuz while making the raid the intetion was to make all that lore clear

[plucky helm]

its alluded to, but its going to be a lot more obvious to you as the person who implemented that then the players who don't already have an idea of what the answer is

lore theorists have followed the idea that it could be in the realm of darkness, but its never been outright confirmed

[steel beacon]

Hmmm
Wait, spell script can't have negative numbers, right

Maybe mob resistance could be done in form of a player spell "debuff" but being actually a buff

[polar token]

naa

that would be janky af

[steel beacon]

I thought wynn code is atrocious enough already so this is nothing

[wet nymph]

its not THAT bad anymore iirc

[polar token]

we have way more features now to do cool stuff

but we dont have everything

[limber pilot]

if you were to focus flying people to not be able to do this in 5 seconds then people would just kite for 5 seconds and murder greg without fight anyway. (The only way to stop this is hard gutting warrior buffs, curse, courage, ssac accessibility)

Which as I understand is unfortunately not within your current possibilities

[polar token]

still the fact that nothing actually attacks flying

is an issue

even without the op shit

well I guess the skulls later on

but still

another attack that can target flying is ideal

[mortal moon]

nah

that kills acrobat not pirouette

[wet nymph]

what makes pirouette invulnerable to something that acrobat would be severely hurt from

[mortal moon]

piro isnt invulnerable

it just does more dmg

so each phase is faster

[coarse sparrow]

humongous tea u have been typing for quite while

[slim grail]

Got around to playing a few runs of tna since the change today on two different builds, Ignis Boltslinger and Guardian Battle Monk

While playing Ignis, when I had insidious 3, I was getting hit by the new melee attack a decent amount because I don't need to avoid it at all costs, but what I was noticing is that it seems the attack halts your horizontal momentum and only gives vertical, because I was feeling my movement stop every time I got hit and would then be directly above The Nameless
The upward aspect of the melee attack feels powerful and like it should be, but it doesnt feel right to not get launched away in any amount

On Guardian, I don't have much to say other than the fact that Mythril Skin currently does not prevent the knockback of the attack; I was still getting launched up. This isn't a big deal for me but it's worth mentioning (also I know this isnt a bug report thread, but it pairs well with my experiences on Ignis)

[slim grail]

was almost done lol

[coarse sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172012952325472276/1175973947028807710/amazinggame.mov?ex=656d2e15&is=655ab915&hm=0c61a02161050fc6e57ef50c5839d2fe891dbcf07f53d2d40d1f92e50924bfa8&

[tough pond]

skill issue

[wet nymph]

skill issue

[polar token]

ok for real thoe, I ligit dont know why that happened

Nothing in the raid just /kills a player

so idfk

[coarse sparrow]

i just think its a funny clip

idk either but has happened multiple time

[polar token]

could it somehow be AT shit?

idfk

I didnt even see any hearts from taking damage

[coarse sparrow]

AT field reference (evangelion)

[wet nymph]

ok so i kinda think ik what it is
theres this one weird mob that like does a silly tp, and im p sure it will just instant pop for no forseeable reason?

idk almost all the time whenever this mob tps, it wont even do dmg, but every now and then it will POP me.

you can tell a tp is what happened cus of the sound effects,

[polar token]

what mob

the eye brain thingy?

[wet nymph]

no not those

its like kinda oval shaped but blocky oval

[polar token]

???

and its in that room?

[wet nymph]

shift singularity

[polar token]

do u mean the walking void hole guys

oooh

[wet nymph]

it was NOT oval shaped chat

[polar token]

ahhhh

ok

i see

[wet nymph]

im really out here just all knowing

[slim grail]

To me it really doesn't look like there was anywhere a Shift Singularity could have teleported from, and usually you'd get blinded by the teleport a moment before the explosion spell hits
I'd assume that was just one-off jank

[wet nymph]

its happened to me before

itd make sense if it was an explosion thing, but i do know that the only thing that blinds you in that room is that little singularities tp thing

from the portal spawns atleast

[coarse sparrow]

I think aassin is referring to the singularities

the tp sound is the mobs spawning btw

[slim grail]

Yeah that's not the teleport sound

Which would have been heard before the damage

Because I don't think Shift Singularities can explode except right after they teleport, that's their whole gimmick

Next time I get void matter room I could try standing off to the side and seeing what happens to me, since having defense would make it much more obvious, but I don't know how frequently that would occur

[wet nymph]

i slowed that vid down as much as possible, i dont feel like commenting on the sounds (i play with sounds off) but there is actually no visual queues as to why that happened

that is the video of all time

[slim grail]

there are no sounds at all in the video except two mobs spawning

It's just dead silent

[wet nymph]

i didnt know that it makes a sound for literally every single spawn

i dont think ive done a raid with sounds on in like 200 raids

[slim grail]

More importantly, there is no sound of arrow shield hitting something

And iirc the room has no ranged mobs except blueshift watchers

[coarse sparrow]

ghost shift singularity

I am fragile enough to be 1 shot by singularities if my agility doesn't dodge it

[slim grail]

this is why defense is superior except for the fact that building with it for tna is pain

[wet nymph]

no level 101 fishing for you

[coarse sparrow]

I think I should also mention this useless but cool way of killing the boss in the void matter room

if you are lightbender/archer you can take agro of the boss and drop him in long parkour and kill him there

[wet nymph]

silence

[coarse sparrow]

hmm I will send a compressed version

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1174571344843780146/1175894818342326302/epoch_quake.mov?ex=656ce463&is=655a6f63&hm=70b240af98d27fdae7928b4198a966c39221658e728d23fc4f7953b63ac682f0&

dodging Greg's attack in question

[slim grail]

Hey wait that's me that died at the start
Must have been a while ago because I don't remember playing with grapz and dying on strati and barely ever die outside of that
I wonder what happened because I don't remember

[coarse sparrow]

like 3 days ago

[slim grail]

Well then I was on strati

Must have forgotten that run

I was not having a good time with strati 2-3 days ago

[coarse sparrow]

I think you should use Ignis instead

[slim grail]

Ah wait maybe it was the run where I messed up flying bolt and went full HP to 0 in 2 frames

[slim grail]

I swapped back to this because the novelty of 200% walk speed was wearing off and I was just getting annoyed having to use potions for every mistake and suffering to soul shrubs

[coarse sparrow]

when the agility doesn't proc

[polar token]

Im refactoring the nameless back end today, and accidentally buffed it to hell by having him infinitely spawn Surrender to Oblivion eyes. Pretty good idea I think, adds challenge frfr

[plucky helm]

post the video

it's like gazing into puragtory

[polar token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j45vRbLnr08&ab_channel=BogosBinted

fear

[slim grail]

Ultimate flying boltslinger/acrobat/whirlwind strike timing practice

[coarse sparrow]

well deserved buff

we getting our photos printed with this one

[polar token]

real

[wraith osprey]

make them be able to fly

or spawn skulls instead

[polar token]

true

[elder trout]

personally imo, adjust the AT first before adjusting the nameless boss

currently stands, fallen warrior is gigaop buffer, so tone down its buffing capability while keeping its personal dps relatively unchanged (not saying that it isn't op) would be preferable first. Take things slow first instead of huge drastic changes

[polar token]

I do agree

I still want to adjust things about the boss anyway

but increasing his hp or adding def is not one of them rn

cuz the AT effects more than just nameless anyway

[gritty summit]

abreak is honestly a fine ability relative to other debuffers like shaman/archer due to it's limited useability but in the specific context of tna speedrun it's a bit absurd because Greg's ehp is quite low. ig also maybe if things like forti/ragna/vengeful get fixed then dmg scale again shifts so can be a bit annoying to track atree changes and make sure they are done in a careful manner

[coarse sparrow]

i think nerfing abreak to 15% would help

and coursing and chant to 10/5

here is how much dmg the buffs give

courage, ragnarok, curse, armour break, ssac

it's no wonder people are killing Greg in 5-10 seconds

I had a few runs with some piru cata players, albeit they only have 15000 tna runs, we weren't able to exactly 0 cycle or 1 cycle Greg without warrior or actual buffs. I was an archer with curse and coursing

[polar token]

actually I have changed my mind! killing greg in 5 seconds is more fun and not having to dodge spells takes the boring parts out of the game

[coarse sparrow]

The moment I switched to warrior however we 1 cycled immediately

[polar token]

for the next raid boss the boss will only have 1 hp to make the fight faster and less borring

and also we will have family guy funny moments playing on ur screen while u fight the next raid boss

[coarse sparrow]

[polar token]

and I will create a subway surfers minigame u can play while fighting the next raid boss

to keep attention

[coarse sparrow]

put ads too and make it skippable by purchasing through the wynncraft store at https://store.wynncraft.com

[polar token]

I have thought about ads in wynn as a funny meme

like a billboard in detlas

u can pay real money to put an add on

would be mega funny

Like real ads that arn't just like, an ad on ur screen, but incorporated in the game

some NPCS will occasionally to a raid shadow legends ad read

[coarse sparrow]

💀

tasim: before we begin your training, let's hear abit from our sponsor, raid shadow legend

[wraith osprey]

i think microsoft wont like that

[polar token]

some servers do ligit have ads on them

using maps

[wraith osprey]

but would be cool to see what people would pay money for

like you could have that stuff for guild adds

[polar token]

that would be pretty cool I just like the memes of players playing wynn and coming across a billboard for some local car repair in Lubbock Texas

[wraith osprey]

or something like this

and under it is a discord bubble response

[coarse sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172012952325472276/1176301351911821393/yep.gif?ex=656e5f00&is=655bea00&hm=eb406c8dc9511be57c7972b763700b4fd83b99ea9e1a2517ea73bfc66fc34503&

[wraith osprey]

ez money for salted

[coarse sparrow]

you are delusional if you think this dmg multiplier is ok for the game

ragna vengful and fortitude aren't bugged they were meant to be like that

[wraith osprey]

what epoch builds do you play?

[coarse sparrow]

ragepoch

[steel beacon]

Also nerfing strength dexterity mix

[steel beacon]

Lol more true knockback

[steel beacon]

I really forgot to tell that ETW is a problem also because defensive stats were made very obsolete by introducing tons of true damage and % health damage

[wraith osprey]

they should add false damage to counter balance it, taking false damage would diminish health only visibly

[coarse sparrow]

I don't think str and dex nerf is justified

[coarse sparrow]

defense was made obsolete with the power of dodging

and running away

[steel beacon]

It very much is, when was the last time when you saw a good build that it doesn't have a mix of ET in it

[coarse sparrow]

damage stat when it gives dmg

[steel beacon]

Well, it gives a bit too much damage

Especially if they are combined together

[wraith osprey]

if only they were additive like % damage

[coarse sparrow]

builds without any str or dex shouldn't expect dmg tbh and I don't think they should be nerfed either

I think it's the abilities that should be nerfed since you would have more control then

nerfing str and dex nerfs every single thing in the game while nerfing abilities give more control on what should and shouldn't do lots of dmg

[steel beacon]

Str/dex should still scale more linearly though

[coarse sparrow]

I mean they are 80.8%

they are also additive to each other rather than multiplicative to each other I believe

[steel beacon]

Nerfing AT wouldn't help TWF/EWF and combinations of similar nature

[steel beacon]

I know, but still

[coarse sparrow]

I mean why would you want etw to be similar in damage to twf or ewf

nerfing etw would mean nerfing twf and ewf though too

[steel beacon]

But to much lesser extent

[coarse sparrow]

but then etw doesn't get the upside of defense

and actually etwf does more dmg than etw

all thanks to eleventh hour

[wraith osprey]

players when opportunity cost

[coarse sparrow]

6000 ehp idol setup in tna

the mindset of "kill everything first before they kill you"

[steel beacon]

Remember that you have to waste 60 sp into def

[coarse sparrow]

was eleventh hour 60 defense

[steel beacon]

I think so

[coarse sparrow]

oh I have no idea

been playing for 3months 🙃

maybe they can make armour breaker specifically just for melee attacks

[steel beacon]

Or just nerfing it but making last longer so it has less burst potential

[coarse sparrow]

I'd support this

[steel beacon]

And still roughly the same for anything else

[coarse sparrow]

20% defense reduction for 10s

[steel beacon]

For 8 probably

[coarse sparrow]

it's alrdy 8

[steel beacon]

I thought it's 5

[coarse sparrow]

na

[coarse sparrow]

if this was 5 coursing would always overwrite it

which is big troll -15% armour reduction

that won't do much tho

22.5% less effective ig but still like a drop in a bucket

holding right click for 1.5m dps 😋

[wraith osprey]

do coursing restraints stack with each other? coz the debuff says x2 next to it

[coarse sparrow]

where

[wraith osprey]

not in your screenshot, just in general when 2 archers both arrow bomb

[coarse sparrow]

I will test this later

because from my test, since they share the same buff and I believe it will just keep resetting the timer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1074033334310682717/1176441045874135060/armour_breaker_bug.mov?ex=656ee11a&is=655c6c1a&hm=3d333cbd4ec9f706a4cade72f1edb663a0d82be3123c08ee4f078451da215630&

[wraith osprey]

could have sworn that when they came out there was no timer, just the icon

[steel beacon]

And devs said that overwriting is gone

Meanwhile it's still there and more than ever

[coarse sparrow]

if Ragnarok has less than 3 seconds fortitude overwrites it

most of the buffs are based on time the longer the duration the higher the priority

[coarse sparrow]

they don't stack

[steel beacon]

Literally how it worked in 1.20, I could overwrite stronger war scream with weaker one, if duration remained was less than 2 mins

[coarse sparrow]

so they have done nothing

[steel beacon]

Devs lied to us

[steel beacon]

I have heard some news that greg melee dmg was reduced for glass cannons and got true damage... is that true? And why it was that done, I thought all that melee range increase was to punish people who abuse his hitbox

[elder trout]

put this up thnx

[coarse sparrow]

I answered!!

[dire scarab]

fire

[tough pond]

cata moment

[steel beacon]

I've heard the rumors that with that change greg's melee damage was heavily nerf that cata can tank 3 of them lol

And instead deals some % true damage on top of that

[coarse sparrow]

I actually dk if that was high

[fluid pewter]

stop doing drugs void the canned abis from rol4 !

[steel beacon]

Yes, it is hitbox abuse

[fluid pewter]

hitting greg with all clones is not hitbox abuse

[steel beacon]

I know it's rather clone issue l too and how they are coded but it's greg having large hitbox too

[fluid pewter]

all clones are supposed to hit greg, its not an issue or something that needs to be nerfed

[coarse sparrow]

make greg half a block big

[fluid pewter]

yep make a giant dernic creature have hitbox of a hobgoblin

[steel beacon]

Or you could make clones be further apart

trickster will be the ryze of wynncraft

[steel beacon]

Still, if the damage wasn't nerfed then it could discourage tricksters to sit on top of him

[dire scarab]

make greg a hitbox of a bat and can fly

wuth the feature of the bat in toxic cave

[fluid pewter]

why? that's just straight up making the archetype entirely useless

[steel beacon]

Then damage buff so could be the aoe archetype so shaman will be even less useful

[fluid pewter]

trickster dps as of right now is literally normal

go try playing it in colossus or orphion, it's so much riskier than greg, and it should be a risk for massive dps

its a greg issue not trickster

[steel beacon]

I told about him having large hitbox then you started shitting on me that trickster should him with all clones

So no, it shouldn't be possible for game health

[fluid pewter]

how am i shitting on you.... ok

ah yes for game health we should make more dead archetypes, surely

yes you can we discussed it with luminescence yesterday

there is no issue with clones to greg hitbox ratio what are yall on about

then what? for other classes greg's hitbox doesnt matter

[steel beacon]

People should not be able to sit almost in him to do so

[fluid pewter]

yea exactly, and thats not a hitbox issue its lack of attacks issue

[steel beacon]

I mean, technically this was supposed to be fixed by attack range increase

[fluid pewter]

yes it is greg, you cant kill colossus in 5s without getting hit once

[fluid pewter]

no?? attack range increase was meant to fix wall and nothing else

not kill flying archetypes by any means

yea but good idol players/piro players never actually go inside of his model

[steel beacon]

But it could be also for this
Listen. If that would be a thing, then assasins wouldn't be able to hit him with all clones, then damage will be lower so greg will have a chance to cast spells
A chain reaction, one thing will lead to another

[river skiff]

someone should test if aftershock with hand of the shaman is still playable

[fluid pewter]

ok amazing you killed trickster now what? there's tons of other archetypes that can easily do 0 watched. Fixing an issue with 1 particular playstyle won't fix the boss being too weak

[steel beacon]

Idol would be AT nerf

[steel beacon]

Even one less clone is huge

[fluid pewter]

even if you completely kill trickster, what does it change

you either kill half of the game's archetypes or just buff boss

[steel beacon]

That's copium

[river skiff]

void matter room bulb room light room

[steel beacon]

Lol who tf wants to kill archetypes, just nerf

[river skiff]

not hard at all with mantle and massive bash for aoe

[fluid pewter]

making trickster clones unable to hit greg is complete death for trickster

[river skiff]

stonewalker defense and damage means that you kill the boss before it has the chance to cast a single spell

[fluid pewter]

ok you nerfed all archetypes that deal damage, now greg is just the right difficulty. What of other bosses? They've just become harder than they should be, so they also need a nerf. So you end up nerfing every piece of content in the game instead of 1 boss

[steel beacon]

Is 1 less clone able to hit him that big of a difference for him
15% less damage

[fluid pewter]

how do you imagine that, 1 clone randomly wandering away from the circle?

[river skiff]

massive bash aoe in question

[fluid pewter]

also spoiler: 15% less dmg isnt gonna do anything against 0 watched

if greg takes 15% more time to kill than current 0 watched it's gonna be a total increase of whopping 1.5s or even less

[river skiff]

also etw trickster is completely viable in tcc

[fluid pewter]

viable, but it's very risky. Just like it should be in tna

[river skiff]

in some cases thats just enough for greg to go into watched

[steel beacon]

If trickster player would stay away from greg

[fluid pewter]

.

[steel beacon]

Or making rooms not cheesable so full ETW teams will have bad time getting into boss fight

[fluid pewter]

i hate to be that guy but the only cheesable room is light room and if you have a bad time in the other ones as a etw player you're just bad

[steel beacon]

Berserk berry is also cheese

Give voidholes thunder defense

[fluid pewter]

berry room without chain is just gonna take 30s longer thats it

aint no way someone is dying to those mobs that holes spawn, they're so stupid

[river skiff]

doesnt change a full etw team melting him in seconds

every attack is perfectly telegraphed tf you mean its hard

[steel beacon]

I can summarize that greg should be buffed in a way that mostly affects ETW

[fluid pewter]

luminescence talked about it yesterday and she said she'd like to make 1 watched phase forced, and the other ones skippable

she also mentioned an attack that would occasionally shoot players that are in the air, so it doesnt kill flying archetypes, but makes a window for them to dps instead of 100% uptime

[steel beacon]

Attack range could work, so tricksters have less dps on him
More air attacks so idol users have more difficulties

[river skiff]

gma > divzer

[steel beacon]

Just overall ET nerf

Wynn has too much damage in general

Skill points

Like ET mix specifically

[fluid pewter]

No it does not. You know people say "damage on dummy isnt equal to damage on bosses cause they move and attack". But here the dummy dmg is literally less than greg dmg because greg is just another dummy

you can literally put a dummy in your housing, test damage and cycle on it and then do THE EXACT SAME THING on greg and get away with it

buff greg, not nerf players

[steel beacon]

Yes, do you remember boss called the eye and how strong it was in 1.19?
Now I can melt him under less than 1 minute with rainbow

Previously it wasn't possible with it

[steel beacon]

Nerfing sweats, not buffing greg

[fluid pewter]

buff greg against flying players and 0 watched

[river skiff]

regular players wont be running 20 ehp 2m dps builds

source?

[fluid pewter]

do you understand that straight up nerfind str and dex damage buff will literally nerf everyone, and mostly non-sweat players

[river skiff]

yes

[fluid pewter]

trickster will still be able to 0 watched if you nerf str and dex, and players who can't 0 watched will take even longer

[steel beacon]

ET nerf is overall good for non-et archetypes which are nonexistent
But this is only an option

[fluid pewter]

if anything, warrior buffs need a nerf cause fallen being the best support is not right by any means

[steel beacon]

Armor break less damage but for longer I think

[fluid pewter]

assassin is dps, assassin should be dps, if greg had the attacks that luminescence suggested trickster would face a huge risk to make up for its huge damage

[steel beacon]

Attack range buffs so one bad step and he pops

[fluid pewter]

if they extend greg's attack by 1 block vertically, tricksters wont care

[steel beacon]

Both of course

Horizontal + vertical

And make so it knocks away the player, not upwards

That too

Also as an option reworking trickster to what it originally supposed to be: a bruiser

[coarse sparrow]

can they add 2 unskippable ads in tna

[fluid pewter]

a what

the fuck is a bruiser

[steel beacon]

Can survive a lot but not particularly good damage

Something between a tank and dps basically

[fluid pewter]

ah yes lets make this class be a tank

fits so well

idk why trickster's final ability is diversion like do they want us to use a fucking tank ability for a dps class

[steel beacon]

Agony

Can't you read? I clearly said BETWEEN a tank and dps

[fluid pewter]

it looks like the ct is an unorganized bunch of people, each one doing their own thing... hold on... thats literally what it is

[steel beacon]

Paladin was supposed to be a tank

[fluid pewter]

ask anyone what "assassin" is in their mind, and NO ONE will even mention any tankiness

kinda sad that ct abandoned guild wars

[steel beacon]

SHADE was supposed to be the dps archetype

[fluid pewter]

ye it would be better than trickster but both should be purely dps, none of the assassin archetypes should be tanky. Like you can't define a tanky archer archetype bc archer is obviously a dps class

trickster sucks for anything but tna and wars

fallen sucks for anything but tna

and that is normal, there shouldn't be "universal" archetypes that are best for everything because then no one would play the other archetype

[steel beacon]

Then change them so they aren't as polarizing

[steel beacon]

Honest lightbdender and battle monk reaction

[fluid pewter]

lbender is dogshit for tna and lr, and literally anything, compared to arcanist. It's even outclassed as a healer by acolyte

bmonk is best for lr tho, and that's a big enough part of wynn content

[steel beacon]

Both of them can easily solo greg is user has at least 2 braincells

[fluid pewter]

if quality of an archetype is measured by being able to solo greg, I can confidently say I can solo greg with any existing archetype, except for shaman cause I haven't played it much but I'm sure there are people who can do it too

[wheat mango]

Literally not possible

[steel beacon]

By difficulty of being able to solo greg

I never disagreed with that

[fluid pewter]

all archer archetypes and mage archetypes are literally the exact same difficulty in terms of soloing greg: you press S and cast spells

[steel beacon]

Whatever

[wheat mango]

What is bro on

"You killed the boss in 10 seconds so you have to do card swipe task"

[fluid pewter]

ah yes make pf unplayable

[wheat mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036575780085452802/1130767900324659210/op_craft.gif

[steel beacon]

Give greg retaliation attack

If he loses 10 milion hp in first 10s of a fight he explodes dealing massive damage

Oh I know

Remember the attack tcc ears had

Let's implement that

Guild wars :doom:

As a warrer I think this might be not that great of an idea

Or at least give variety that it's not a requirement, but rather a convenient preference

[sharp ibex]

@wheat mango

[wheat mango]

@sharp ibex

I cannot bro this guy is a competitive yapper

[sharp ibex]

lmfao

[steel beacon]

Also still no one related to this, this is pure example how far damage in wynn has gone

[wheat mango]

I didn't play 1.19 but eye was piss easy in 1.20 as well lol

It was equally as boring with having to wait 30 seconds after dealing 20% of max hp

[steel beacon]

It was still more difficult than it is right now

[wheat mango]

I didn't notice a change, probably just a skill difference

[steel beacon]

Because how far damage has gone that 20s seems long

[wheat mango]

Because it is long when even in 1.20 I was dropping the boss 20% of its max hp in 10 seconds

[steel beacon]

Ehhh

Whatever, I give up

[wheat mango]

Like full stop you are just not good at the game, despite playing since 1.19

[trim cove]

💀💀💀😭

[steel beacon]

And now it's 3 at most

So like

Another thing: tcc - previously to delete colosus you had to have triple stonewalker to do so and even it was still slower than it is currently

[trim cove]

That’s just not true about needing stonewalker

[steel beacon]

Also you were punished for dealing too much damage

[trim cove]

Whar

[steel beacon]

Guild wars: since the first day guild towers had to be buffed instantly and when 2.0 dropped and wars still last about 1/4 of the time they used to last even before trickster was started to be used as dps

[steel beacon]

Ears...

[trim cove]

You realize that phase 3 revenge attacks were based on quantity of damage ticks they take and not how much damage they take right

[steel beacon]

Still was some kind of punishment

But also mouth has quake attack which can stack and it's based on HP threshold

[gritty summit]

yeah but damage is also far far harder to tank lol. the current pace of wars is quite reasonable and good imo 👍

[steel beacon]

I'm just pointing out how much damage outputs have increased since 1.20

[trim cove]

Just nerf towers again when you nerf the ability tree 🤯

[steel beacon]

Also that damage raise was even after courage stacking was gotten rid of

[steel beacon]

Wars at this point are beyond saving because devs don't care at all about them

[gritty summit]

ye but we already know that ain't happening in a timely manner :despair:

also a bunch of buffs overriding each other doesn't make sense, make them work properly and then rebalance 👍

[trim cove]

Yeah I know I gave up a long time ago

[gritty summit]

surely the act of changing tower stats isn't time consuming

as long as there's an open conversation with players and an active testing loop, should be pretty easy no?

[steel beacon]

Too much dev time

Even 1s is too much for them

[shrewd shale]

Warrior's buffs being fair :

[coarse sparrow]

@polar token https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167335317557215282/1176916515749113856/wynncraft_new_patch.mp4?ex=65709beb&is=655e26eb&hm=9ede7601ebe105995b0ac8e4ffe966fba60269988f98bbb5912734d257c29da6&

[somber locust]

idt you can expect much

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[somber locust]

its just hilarious to me that this is what a lgbt person is saying

[wide edge]

there is something wrong with you

[somber locust]

why

[wide edge]

listen to urself

[somber locust]

explain? i laughed at someone's bio

[wide edge]

there is nothing to laugh about there

[somber locust]

the clash in statements showing lack of brain cells is funny to me

[wide edge]

what do you mean

[somber locust]

a lesbian saying "from the river to the sea"

[wide edge]

just looked at what that meant and i dont see why it matters

wdym by clash in statements

[somber locust]

man why are you telling me theres something wrong with me when you don't even know what it means

[trim cove]

it's a saying for palestinian support despite the fact that palestine itself does not support the lgbt

why he's bringing that up for a fucking block game server is beyond me though

[somber locust]

calling it a saying for palestinian support is hilarious, i was just showing you what people you are working with in ct

[trim cove]

right

[median badge]

explain the joke:

[somber locust]

i always try to find reasoning with whatever salted and ct are doing.. 🤔

[wide edge]

people can support whatever they want i dont see why their sexuality matters

[trim cove]

still dont see how it's relevant at all for how someone does their job though

[somber locust]

a lgbt member (a minority) calling for the destruction of a land and its people (of another minority) means you are either stupid or you either have no idea what you are "supporting", which also makes you stupid

[trim cove]

why are you even bringing politics into this tf 😭

[coarse sparrow]

🍿

[median badge]

the most whitest argument

[somber locust]

politics lol

[somber locust]

im not white but if it makes you feel better

[median badge]

ok so are you a minority?

[somber locust]

i'm gay myself so you can say so but that has nothing to do with it?

it's just interesting to me that CT proves that they are stupid in more than one way which is terrible design or balance or lack of that

[median badge]

”its just hilarious to me that this is what a lgbt person is saying”

[somber locust]

and then they do it in the funniest ways too x)

[somber locust]

yeah.. because if this lgbt person steps in this territory they support so much, and outright raise their flag they will get lynched on the spot ?

[median badge]

furthermore i dont see why an lgbt member has something to deal with the conflict between palestine and israel

[coarse sparrow]

chat is this rael

[somber locust]

brother are you even reading what im saying or nah

if no its ok we can both move on with our day

[median badge]

ok so your opinion is different, no shit same and i dont give a single fuck. Have a good day

[wide edge]

i regret saying anything

[trim cove]

lmfao

[somber locust]

have a wonderful day :3

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