#Patch the "wall cheese" in The Nameless Anomaly.

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elder trout
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the moment someone says wall im going to do the opposite

severe turret
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same here

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i just
didnt meet many wallers in pfinder
and now with piru i can mid solo as well

mortal moon
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^

severe turret
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but holy is the cycle hard to land correctly

mortal moon
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not for me

median badge
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i will /kill in peace

severe turret
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itll just take me a few days to get practice in (i manual click LOL)

mortal moon
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oh

median badge
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cata wallers learn piru instead

sharp ibex
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that’s probably why you lost those leggings if you used macros instead you wouldn’t have

mortal moon
signal berry
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for the record i know basically no one in raid circles i just play when friends ask me to but yes i am learning pirouette obv if it's the norm i have less than 50 raids ever lol

elder trout
signal berry
elder trout
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what im trying to say is stop using wall and start using pirou in pfinder instead. failure is fine

signal berry
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obv, i am not even doing tna at the moment anymore i left to get it down lol

shrewd shale
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why did you not go on their favorite wall 😠

elder trout
shrewd shale
fluid pewter
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wait till they fix greg's agro and use normal tricko again like

fluid pewter
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provoke and taunt doesnt do shit

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anyone can get agro even after warrior casting war scream for whatever fucking reason

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ive stolen agro as archer and mage before 💀

mortal moon
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that's called bad warrior

fluid pewter
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what is there to be bad at? they hit greg with war scream

severe turret
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Nah provoke is absolute

fluid pewter
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how long does it last

severe turret
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Taunt isnt but provoke guarantees aggro
Unless
Luring exists
Now you can cicumvent this by smoking as greg spawns
And bc of the one ability that gets rid of debuffs when hitting anything with spin
Luring should not steal aggro unless you recast smoke

severe turret
fluid pewter
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send piru tree btw 🙏

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idfk what you sacrifice...

severe turret
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Rest in peace hop and cheaper spin 2

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On mobile rn so cant

fluid pewter
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sustain without cheaper spin...

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ig you get more weightless uptime

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how the fuck do ppl do this without hitting the ground

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while still doing at least some dps

wide edge
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whats the cycle i bet i can get it in 10 minutes after coming back from 3 months

mortal moon
fluid pewter
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nope nah piru sucks

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getting a good idol in party is easier

velvet burrow
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Incorrect

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Getting an idol is easy, getting a good idol is non existent

mortal moon
fluid pewter
mortal moon
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my build is quite literally a day 2 build

mortal moon
fluid pewter
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melee wtf..

mortal moon
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shuriken..

fluid pewter
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the fuck is ur tree

mortal moon
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standard piro tree

fluid pewter
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ic

velvet burrow
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It’s a fucking sick build

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17m damage with 0 risk of being hit

wide edge
# mortal moon

no way did they fix the timer starting when entering the warp room

velvet burrow
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No probs just a 0 cycle with quick players

wide edge
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well it takes over 10 seconds for greg to spawn anyways so i assume they did

velvet burrow
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Oh great

mortal moon
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now it starts counting from greg room entry

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hey look its a waller

wide edge
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must have been a fast greg spawn

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usually at least 10% of the run is spent on greg spawning

velvet burrow
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Spending 8 mins in soul tree due to persistent stacking

sharp ibex
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you cannot tell me cathy is not the typa person to do that

wraith osprey
mortal moon
sharp ibex
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theres a command

mortal moon
velvet burrow
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They’re a little clunky

coarse sparrow
mortal moon
coarse sparrow
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you can do /showdps after berry room

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thats how you spread misinformation

plucky helm
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add votekill to party so you can forcibly kill them like

velvet burrow
coarse sparrow
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funny message at the very bottom of the image laritroll

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ironclad224 when he gets agro (flies to a corner of the map and dies)

velvet burrow
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Shhhh

charred skiff
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this you

velvet burrow
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yeah I posted it yesterday in Looni disc?

charred skiff
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no way

velvet burrow
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huh

coarse sparrow
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silent roars aren't real actual copium

velvet burrow
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Noot’s a silly boy

fluid pewter
elder trout
coarse sparrow
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wallers who cant hold agro and ruin focus:
zinnig

median badge
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who is that

coarse sparrow
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zinnig

severe turret
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hey leave the mods alone

coarse sparrow
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brainrot tna players have a string attached to the wall

severe turret
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wait is that rage epoch?

coarse sparrow
severe turret
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based

coarse sparrow
severe turret
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i dont even have an epoch like

median badge
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ong epoch is so overrated it is worse than divzer and gma

coarse sparrow
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damn

coarse sparrow
median badge
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it doesnt like

coarse sparrow
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how much dps do u think epoch does to dummy

median badge
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340k

coarse sparrow
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450k with standard epoch build

median badge
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damn that is mid

severe turret
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divzer does 600k on dummy

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with standart divzer build

coarse sparrow
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???? what type of divzer are you using

median badge
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i do 520k consistently

severe turret
coarse sparrow
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sharp boowomp

median badge
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i aint alcha i dont use bolt

coarse sparrow
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phantom ray gotta be the most depressing attack ever

median badge
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so true

coarse sparrow
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the sfx is so mid and animation is midder

severe turret
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but its damage is good sadly

coarse sparrow
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i think for tna epoch is probably hight because 350% melee and +1

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and ragepoch is earth so it doesnt have the greg elemental defense reduction

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@median badge come to my island and do ur dmg

median badge
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im not online rn

coarse sparrow
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not burst

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i used sigil to get to 1 hp

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well i guess sigil dmg does count ig since greg dies in 10 seconds or less

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so i g its like 580k

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coursing included ofc

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my friend only does 400k with divzer idk what u guys are smoking to get 600k

median badge
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i think divzer preforms something similar to your result as epoch

coarse sparrow
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@severe turret can u come my island and do it

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i personally dont believe divzer can do 600k dps

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i need to see it with my own eyes

severe turret
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I dont have the build set up
Give me a minute

coarse sparrow
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i do about 380k with divzer personally but i cant say anything myself because im notoriously known for being shit at spells

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this is a real image

median badge
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hell naw i do more with brass

coarse sparrow
median badge
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hmm

coarse sparrow
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your next come my island when

median badge
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never

coarse sparrow
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520k dps divzer come i see

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rahhhh come my island now

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you can be the olo to my wack

median badge
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im doing hw

coarse sparrow
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this is with epoch

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spell epoch with tstack gear

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ok this is funny

coarse sparrow
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@wet nymph

severe turret
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piru:
exists

median badge
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piru is needed now rather than hop bc greg bigger hitbox

coarse sparrow
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patch not implemented

median badge
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patch hopefully release in 1wk

severe turret
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thats just a skill issue
it is not yet live

mortal moon
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his brain got completely rotten by the string attached to the wall

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and the one time he made me watch someone screenshare his gameplay he died before Greg even got to the wall

severe turret
sharp ibex
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what do you expect from someone that doesn’t do anything except play one repetitive ass raid

mortal moon
dapper lynx
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This suggestion has just turned into people being shitty towards each other for no reason

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And I like it saltroll

fluid pewter
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wall shaming channel has come true

devout roost
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7 jh brainrot moment

echo tartan
median badge
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

echo tartan
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

coarse sparrow
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hipity at it again

devout roost
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give me hmelee build and i will use it

coarse sparrow
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why shade when

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epoch dps

devout roost
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archer boring

elder trout
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More funny when Greg explodes

elder trout
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Damage per second more like damage per screenshot

coarse sparrow
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I personally do not think Greg has over 23m hp

elder trout
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also, you rarely see shade anymore

devout roost
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reported for abusing dmg bug

coarse sparrow
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if pfinder can't even play trickobat correctly I do not want to see them play shade

elder trout
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The average pfinder monekey in their mom's basement runs trickrobat with their beloved wall

devout roost
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give me hmelee obliv build i wanna have fun

elder trout
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Ask d1v

devout roost
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where

elder trout
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@deft hare where is d1v

coarse sparrow
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me waiting for Xavier to patch hmelee bug day 180

devout roost
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there is no bug it’s intended

coarse sparrow
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shadestepper dmg is overly exaggerated because of a bug

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in which Xavier confirmed it was on a YouTube video

elder trout
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leave me and my 10m Greg nukes alone!!

coarse sparrow
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goodbye shadestepper

elder trout
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At least if you want to remove shade, make sure trickrobat gets deleted

devout roost
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me omw to fix a bug to make an already bad archetype even worse

coarse sparrow
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trickoshade new meta

elder trout
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trickster zzzzzzz

coarse sparrow
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7 backstabs?!?! wtf!!!

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it's like that shaman bug

elder trout
devout roost
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facts

coarse sparrow
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timerift!!

tough pond
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give shade build

median badge
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

devout roost
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i have shade build now yipee

shrewd shale
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Met a waller that believes soloing with assassin trickster in the middle is impossible

deft hare
elder trout
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Fuck wrong person

deft hare
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lol

median badge
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

dire scarab
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i thought piro trickrobat are unpopular

median badge
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

median badge
coarse sparrow
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what is good against greg is epoch so

median badge
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e

devout roost
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nuh uh

charred skiff
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cata mfs switching to epoch after they insta die from the lumia tna hitbox increase patch

mortal moon
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epoch is so zzz

median badge
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@coarse sparrow

coarse sparrow
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EPOCH

wraith osprey
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hmelee epoch

steel beacon
dire scarab
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cata user switch to alka rage charge spam

river skiff
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

river skiff
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fun fact inferno noncrafted can already get 1m quakes

river skiff
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without hopeless

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on inferno

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reminder the obli hmelee build has no ws

shrewd shale
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I'm about to wall with @severe turret @azure swift @elder trout

severe turret
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nuh uh

shrewd shale
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Wish us luck >:)

river skiff
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my condolences

azure swift
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im going to kms

river skiff
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low intelligence specimen

severe turret
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im not even doing tna rn

shrewd shale
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You're !!!

elder trout
river skiff
elder trout
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delirium exists

river skiff
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but taurus gets more damage

elder trout
river skiff
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how i wish grimtrap could be used for heavy melee

elder trout
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either that or you get hunted down mercilessly while begging for hopeless III

median badge
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Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

median badge
sharp ibex
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we can going mid

river skiff
median badge
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at least it is good smh

river skiff
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worse than etw

median badge
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i made the delirum build yesterday and it is before that

river skiff
median badge
river skiff
median badge
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hell naw i aint playing yo game

elder trout
river skiff
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silly

median badge
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hmmm

shrewd shale
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No need to die when you can eat melon

elder trout
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you dont have to use dheart

elder trout
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if you get hopeless iii? amazing, taurus uprgade

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if not, cope, use delirium

elder trout
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and i dont like taurus that much because where is powder slot

tough pond
velvet burrow
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Those are pants

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I mean 1 dura pants

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But still they are pants

elder trout
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Str req likent

polar token
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wall cheese soon to be no more :)

mortal moon
coarse sparrow
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patch is live I think

plucky helm
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Hard Melee.

mortal moon
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now its time to watch wallers cry.

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@polar token W UPDATE

polar token
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sometimes people get mad at a CT change and act like the CT personally hate them, thati s often not true

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but to wallers, I do personally hate you and wish you a bad day

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cope

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fr thoe I would like feedback if people think the hard melee is too hard to deal with outside of camping the wall

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it is still a slight buff to the nameless, but if its too much I can reduce the range down a little

mortal moon
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all i need to test now is idol chargespam and if that works im not affected at all

polar token
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the melee doesnt trigger by camping the wall yee

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its a genearl buff, so that if you are within his arms or hitbox u get hit by him

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whereas before he would only hit u if u were the same distance away as if he were a zombie

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so basically inside his body

coarse sparrow
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I love you lumi

polar token
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and he yeets u up into the air a little

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too

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I personally find it fun it acually kinda helps

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it means he cant spam melee hit u he throws u out of his melee range

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and his melee damage was decreased

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he used to do like 6k or 9k

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some stupid shit

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with the huge range he doesnt anymore

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leme check the exacts

mortal moon
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i can still play 1hp like

polar token
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NEUTRAL, RAW 3000
NEUTRAL, MAX_HP 1%
NEUTRAL, current HP 2%

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thats his melee damage

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before it was NEUTRAL, RAW 9000

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kinda insane tbh

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but his range was so low

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no one get hit

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by it

slim grail
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Greg melee hurt a ton before, even for me and my playing of 100+ defense builds
This change is interesting

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Also I appreciate seeing the exact stats

devout roost
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lfg i can still probably use my 6m dps cata build!

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but i am forced to piro because of pf…

polar token
# slim grail Also I appreciate seeing the exact stats

yee the idea behind the stats was that 3k isnt too much with high defs and hp, and I want to avoid issues of being able to just perma tank the nameless easily. I felt 2% max hp was too much so 1% +2% current hp seemed to workout as helping deal with with that

slim grail
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Oh yea quick question I’ve just gotten
I’ve noticed (primarily on Guardian screamsurf) that it doesn’t feel like the bombs do the full 10% max hp damage listed on the wiki
Is this because it’s reduced by range or does defense work on those? If the latter, does that apply to greg melee as well?

polar token
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the knock back was done for a few reasons.

1: it helps stop camping. Camping is hard when u are literally being chucked out of the spot.
2: The nameless has always been a high movement fight, I originally had a spells for the nameless that knocked players in the air into like a vortex, but there was no way to doge it and it was annoying like pull spell. Having a knock up, so u dont just get pushed into the holes, and also having it be dodgeable cuz its a melee attack helps fill that role imo.
3: it kinda feels right lol. nameless is a big boy and he would chuck u with his arms.
4: it helps kinda nerf his damage as he cant just keep charging into u doing damage after damage if u arnt fast enough. He kinda knocks the player out of his range

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how do u think players will still wall?

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after this

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Just like tanking him?

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5 seconds to toally kill him?

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thats an issue with items then

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I cant really stop players from killing him that fast

slim grail
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Also if players are killing greg before he can possibly kill them, what would walling even do

polar token
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yee its an issue with that then

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if u can do 20 million damage in 3 seconds like

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there is no ballance I can do

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to make nameless not easy for that strat

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but for just general walling like

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peopel doing it totake agro and not take damge

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and just attack him the whole time

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this will stop that

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if I had the ability I would put a dps cap on greg

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but thats not a thing I can do

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like he stops taking damage every second once he takes like idk 1 million for example

slim grail
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I think this is just a me thing because I like defense, but I would like it if the raid as a whole favored etw a bit less

coarse sparrow
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lumi what are the elemental defense stats for Greg

coarse sparrow
polar token
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kinda low

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tbh

slim grail
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Oh it’s only 175 and not 200

coarse sparrow
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thanks and yes I agree

polar token
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just i have no control

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over items

coarse sparrow
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if someone uses arrowstorm would every single arrow be affected by the elemental defense

polar token
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yes

slim grail
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Boltslinger and Lightbender are hit particularly hard by them, especially due to a lack of a weakness to exploit in return, but that’s not really an issue with the fight’s design

coarse sparrow
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damn that sucks for boltslinger

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it's so hard to increase the elemental defense without making arrowstorm completely useless

slim grail
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simply play Ignis and accept the thunder/air damage as an already lost cause

coarse sparrow
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I would like them to be in the 4 digits tbh

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3000 water defense

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high risk high reward

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well hmelee would be cooler laritroll

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175 thunder defense when a single spin attack does 100k is wild though

slim grail
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Well that’s 100k in 14 hits

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But yea it’s a bit silly

coarse sparrow
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less than 4% dmg reduction

slim grail
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Eledefs being a flat amount per hit makes them a bit hard to balance since every archetype deals a different amount of hits

mortal moon
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crabrave WALLING crabrave IS crabrave DEAD crabrave

elder trout
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shade will just get cucked further

polar token
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but i cant nerf builds

elder trout
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shade is already kinda pain to setup already

polar token
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that wouldn't mater there is no strat that should allow the player to kill the nameless in less than 20 seconds

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just cuz its a pain to setup doesnt change the fact that it ligit just skips the fight

coarse sparrow
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just buff nameless' resistance to 90% 🥰

polar token
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good idea!

coarse sparrow
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what is the base resistance for Greg anyway

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I think it's 15% not sure

polar token
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like if you could spend 10,000 stacks on some crafted item that u can only use once that lets you insta kill nameless

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it wouldn't mater that it cost 10,000 stacks and was hard to get

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it skips the fight

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so it shouldn't be allowed

coarse sparrow
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another crafted nerf 😰

polar token
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true

elder trout
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also another issue i found with melee range. albeit minor

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if you stand in middle of greg in watched, greg melee can knockback

polar token
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is it about the height of the range?

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ah

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I can fix that

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or u can just stay away from him lol

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he needs his space when he is watching

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social distance!

coarse sparrow
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make the watched explosion radius bigger 🥰

polar token
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It was bigger

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but yall were babies

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and said "waaa its too hard"

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I suck at playing the game

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and i can dodge it

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just gotta time it right!

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it also used to be faster

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the time between the warning and the red lazer

coarse sparrow
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when a boss is suppose to be kitted and you build no walkspeed

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I think the bigger explosion will be the end of pfinder trickobat

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but yea if you ever make the explosion faster and bigger again I will be here to support it

polar token
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na people will find me and kill me if i do that

mortal moon
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if greg onecycle gets patched there will not be a reason to run etw let alone crafteds

coarse sparrow
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what about a forced phase

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when Greg dips to like 8m hp it's forced to go into the watched phase

mortal moon
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id say make current meta builds 2cycle at worst, otherwise etw will just not be a thing anymore

polar token
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I could try and find a way to force the watched phase to happen

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even if u do damage fast

wheat mango
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LOOOOL

mortal moon
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force watched once would be fine, force watched multiple times? etw dead

polar token
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dont care

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do it 3 times

wheat mango
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LOOOOL

polar token
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as god intended

wheat mango
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LOOOOOOOOL

mortal moon
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good night every etw build ever

wheat mango
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Geeeegee

polar token
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ooh hoohooo hoo I think I know how to rid 1 cycles and force the watched to happen

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looking into this 👀

wheat mango
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😅

mortal moon
polar token
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and ask lex about the speed up as thats a change she made

wheat mango
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Wait did you guys not know

polar token
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I have not seen that one yee

mortal moon
polar token
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ah hmmm

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I might have an idea as to how that could happen

coarse sparrow
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oh wait lumi now that you are here I have a video I want to show you

polar token
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it doesnt happen with the mites? at all

mortal moon
mortal moon
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its just enderman and dogs

coarse sparrow
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what happened to me specifically

polar token
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no idea

coarse sparrow
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tna random /kill timer

polar token
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I have no idea why that would be

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but I do think I know why the insta kill happens

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server lag unacounted for in the code could cause it

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and i can fix it

coarse sparrow
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awesome

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no more random one taps

polar token
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yee its just a 250 ms wait

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so if the server lags or the script somehow repeats

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it could end up hitting a bunch of times in a row

polar token
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it cant be something like that

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at least we dont do it in the raid

limber pilot
polar token
mortal moon
polar token
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I guess I misspoke u dont /kill people with script in the raid fail

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or timer up

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it doesnt kill the player

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so randomly dying like that isnt due to a script in the raid

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none of them do it

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i think wynn script needs a /ban or /crash script to run on players just for fun

median badge
limber pilot
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Can someone send a clip showing [HARD MELEE] ?

limber pilot
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LMAO

median badge
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lmao

limber pilot
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didnt expect that

limber pilot
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Damn divzer can tank like 3 hits now

median badge
limber pilot
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Inb4 downward range nerf saltroll

mortal moon
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good night acrobat i think

devout roost
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multi hit make me sad, i can’t do funny cata dps anymore

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hate how we’re forced to fight greg from above now lowkey

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oh true let me start kiting with tricko so fun and effective

limber pilot
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Embrace hm obli

devout roost
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anyways, my 6m dps builds are dead zzzzz

polar token
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its not a specific amount

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he sets ur motion and it can be fought against

coarse sparrow
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where is the attack where Greg just picks you up and throws you to ragni

devout roost
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remove multi and add insta kill wall feature!!!

limber pilot
devout roost
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no i’m fizi

tropic lily
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wtf!

limber pilot
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Whats ur ign 👀

devout roost
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sulast

limber pilot
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Oh god Please No 3 people are already impersonating me

devout roost
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what if greg started flying like acrobat

coarse sparrow
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I think it would be better if Greg had proper phases rather than watch phase

devout roost
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greg starts multiplying

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be an actual anomaly

elder trout
coarse sparrow
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greg has its watched phase and thats all and its a bit boring at times when all greg does is just hop around the arena and waiting for greg to finish shooting his laser

devout roost
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ayo it would be cool for greg to like tp you to a whole new area like in that eo parkour when you fall off

coarse sparrow
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greg tps you to a tower defense game

polar token
devout roost
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geeg splits in 2 saltroll

polar token
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the watched is kinda meant to be a break phase kinda

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where its a bit more calm

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but maybe 3 is too many

devout roost
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deadass would be very fun for multiple gregs

coarse sparrow
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i think people panic in the watched phase

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i see people running into eyeballs or team killing their other teammate too often

polar token
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skill issue

polar token
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basically if the party leader jumped in and out of the water tp in the preboss before everyone was in the water hole

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for every time they jumped in and out

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it would spawn another greg

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but for forever we could not figure out why this was happeening cuz no one could recreate the double greg spawn

severe turret
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i wish i knew that
the most fun time i had in tna was soloing 3 gregs at once

polar token
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I was so fucking annoyed at why this was happening it made no sense and it was so random which confused me even more

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I was just looking close at any script at all related to the fight

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and saw that maybe that could be an issue

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and spawned like 10 gregs

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by jumping in and out of the water

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and figured out that was it

devout roost
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add fortnite storm in the arena

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it closes based on greg hp like

polar token
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good idea

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phase idea: hot potato. Greg gives a player a bomb and they have to punch a teammate to give them the bomb. and whoever has the bomb after 10 seconds dies

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pretty cool!

devout roost
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monumenta reference?!?!?

polar token
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I just want wynn players to kill each other

devout roost
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i mean pfinder already does that

mortal moon
polar token
mortal moon
wheat mango
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And you lose soul points if you die when not targeted

wheat mango
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And you get no rewards if you die to someone else's watch beam

polar token
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add a script that crashes ur game that gets triggered when you fail

shrewd shale
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Funny to say that this post is outdated now

coarse sparrow
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can we rename this to fix armour breaker and coursing restraint

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new armour breaker bug just dropped

shrewd shale
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e abreaker works well wdym

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Oh there is ?

devout roost
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what if you bring back insta watched so everyone is forced to play mage

coarse sparrow
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not sure if lumi can fix this since its related to ability tree

wheat mango
coarse sparrow
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im scared catherine is gonna yell at me in dms because im not sure i should share this or not since it can be an annoying bug

wheat mango
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This bug needs to be fixed
Maybe I shouldn't talk about it

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Pick one lil bro 😭

coarse sparrow
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ok so if armour breaker's duration is <6s then coursing restraint has priority and replaces armour break

tropic lily
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:3

wheat mango
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@elder trout

elder trout
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if ragna overrides literally everysingle dmg buff

wheat mango
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hi ❤️

elder trout
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hi

coarse sparrow
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i think its a bad feature but i can see why yea

wheat mango
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I didn't get a heart back it's actually over...

coarse sparrow
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all higher duration buffs take priority

elder trout
wheat mango
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Yippppie

elder trout
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and both windy and stormy feet override each other

coarse sparrow
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that's stupid

elder trout
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its really inconsistent af

wheat mango
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Oh lol

elder trout
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to clarify, shadow travel speed buff is technically the duration of vanish but the game gives you speed VI for 27m which should technically override windy/stormy feet

devout roost
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ayo my vm room suggestion actually got implemented

wheat mango
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Was it to remove it @devout roost

devout roost
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no it was to remove the invincibility crawler had

wheat mango
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You are lame btw

devout roost
steel beacon
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But that is a thing, ele defs scale with spell multipliers

steel beacon
steel beacon
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Also pls rework or straight up remove purple circles, this attack is so unfair

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It just straight up deletes tanks

steel beacon
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The issue if them is that they heavily punish mostly tanks and whoever accidentally teleports into them

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It really can 2-shot anyone who walks into them

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And it's neither fun or fair

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And also they don't do their job properly, like flying campers were able to still do this unpunished

slim grail
steel beacon
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Naaah, no way

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There even was a change so it scales with attack speed so fast weapons are less polarized

gritty summit
gritty summit
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oh oops sorry i meant every build in existence is an edit of mine cuz i've made one build with every weapon 🥱

devout roost
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damn what an ego

coarse sparrow
coarse sparrow
wide edge
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why are you walling

coarse sparrow
wide edge
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yeah

coarse sparrow
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where

wide edge
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the video

coarse sparrow
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that's my teammate walling

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i'm going infront of greg to get focus

median badge
# coarse sparrow

Your walling skills are nothing, you serve zero purpose, you should stop walling NOW, and give somebody else a piece of that crafted armour and emage boots in your cata build that's fucked up so we can going mid of this TNA raid. Like what are you using cata for? To outdps me? Learn piru cata by yourself. and I mean that with a hundred percent, with a thousand percent.

coarse sparrow
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piru catas are walling in that video

sharp ibex
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for the amount of images you all post id imagine that you’d just stop playing tna but I guess not

coarse sparrow
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in that run i did 7.02M dmg they did 7.8M with cata

median badge
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spread this holy grail 🙏

coarse sparrow
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he is like up here

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not sure if he is able to hit greg that high up

median badge
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you can

coarse sparrow
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multi hit maybe

river skiff
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only a bit of spin can hit i think

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unless greg is chonkier than i thought

median badge
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multihit and spin ( but just while falling down)

coarse sparrow
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well idk im ragepoch with 1 hopeless buff and no kbones swap and did slightly less than cata piru which is odd

median badge
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piru tricko dont need to wall to deal damage

coarse sparrow
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but if his spins are hitting maybe lumi should just give greg a fly swatter

median badge
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the first time i play piru tricko at mid i am completely fine

coarse sparrow
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he did wall so he can stablize greg for me to get focus which well i guess worked

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because 2 cata no idol in middle is just making greg move left and right alot

median badge
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wtf them cata are skill issuing

coarse sparrow
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actually here is the full image

median badge
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the non cata ppl dont move and cata users just stay in one spot together at mid

coarse sparrow
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dont move and get dodgeballed by greg

median badge
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while maintaining a safe distance and hear fucking sound cues

coarse sparrow
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i tanked 2 eyeball hits today at like 300 hp all thanks to dodge 🙏

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was watching a youtube video and zoned out

severe turret
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i could have sworn eyeballs do 2k true damage and 2k water

wide edge
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youd be right

slim grail
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And the wiki says it's 2k true and 2 2k water damage ticks

coarse sparrow
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no idea but i didnt save the clip of me tanking 2 hits i think i saved the one tanking at like <1000 hp

coarse sparrow
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actually nvm i tanked it at 1.5k hp because of shaman heal or smth and got down to 600

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shaman in party sleeper emoji

slim grail
coarse sparrow
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oh wait nvm its 2 hits too wtf

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so that means 1 hit does just 500 with dodge?

slim grail
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Eyes section of the wiki

coarse sparrow
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6000 damage

wide edge
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risk of rain no way

coarse sparrow
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risk of rain esport stream 4 hours

severe turret
coarse sparrow
wide edge
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90

slim grail
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90%

severe turret
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iirc 90%

wide edge
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bro u dont know???????? thats crazy

slim grail
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Any effect of water defense should come after that

coarse sparrow
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i see

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but like

devout roost
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WHY ARE PIRO USERS WALLING

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no i’m actually done

coarse sparrow
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i should be taking 700 dmg per hit from the eye

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but i only took just 450 smth not

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odd

slim grail
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I think the water defense would be getting applied twice
Also class base defense
And true damage shouldn't be getting reduced or boosted by anything

coarse sparrow
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also not factoring archer's just 70% dmg reduction

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oh wait i did my calculation wrong

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i should be taking 1,040 dmg from eyes per hit

river skiff
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the eyes can melee i think

coarse sparrow
slim grail
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I guess it's possible that the damage of the eyes got changed at some point and the wiki hasn't been updated
I don't think any of the damage values on the wiki have been updated since they were first added

wide edge
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wynncraft will remove true damage when pigs fly

mortal moon
coarse sparrow
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they should just limit the height of Greg arena to 5 blocks tall laritroll

mortal moon
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I've wanted to unfunny him for so long

elder trout
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Guys

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They need fucking idol therapy

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Asking all cata Wallers to try idol instead

coarse sparrow
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epoch

elder trout
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On the scale of brainrot, epoch is defo up there

coarse sparrow
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I love brainrot

elder trout
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consider using shade hmelee nukage

mortal moon
wide edge
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make greg able to climb walls

coarse sparrow
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give Greg a disposable missile launcher from risk of rain 2

wide edge
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scavenger

coarse sparrow
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copy the final phase of mithrix where Greg steals all your items and you are left with a wooden weapon 😋

median badge
median badge
coarse sparrow
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we need war builds now so we can dodge Greg aura

median badge
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smh just bring jh consums

coarse sparrow
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bipedal spring fr

mortal moon
median badge
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what if kiters just so happened to touch the wall

wide edge
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they should uninstall

coarse sparrow
median badge
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nuclear fission

coarse sparrow
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RAID FAILED

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too many players have died

wide edge
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ive never seen that message before

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@severe turret can confirm

median badge
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Not everyone have friends likent

polar token
steel beacon
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no way that this is only 3k damage

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absolutely no fking way

polar token
steel beacon
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I refuse to believe

river skiff
polar token
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each ring does the damage

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if it stacks rings

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it does more

steel beacon
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bullshit

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this attack

river skiff
steel beacon
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is just not fun for anyone

polar token
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cope

slim grail
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I play high defense builds and it hasn't been an issue for me anywhere except the tna in boats runs (which grapz linked a video of)

steel beacon
river skiff
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the average hypertank has 20k hp

slim grail
river skiff
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you have like 3 seconds to move

steel beacon
river skiff
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thats plenty

slim grail
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You hear a crunch, you move immediately

polar token
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I could give it a better telegraph and the attack is rings that appear around the nameless

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u can just

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walk away from him

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The only time that spell has caused people issues that I have seen is when they are walling

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and it triggers and all the rings get stacked on them while they are on the wall

slim grail
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If you're playing tanky, you get a good 2 seconds to realize what's going on and move

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It's the only attack which should be causing the crunch sound so it's really obvious as well

river skiff
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if you are etw you shouldnt be hit by greg in the first place

steel beacon
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mhmmm

steel beacon
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one could also spawn mid-air to prevent chargespam campers saltroll

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and thanks lumi

polar token
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I mean I am working on some other spells to help with charge spam but

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if u can kill him in 20 seconds

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no spellw ill fix that

steel beacon
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adaptive resistance

polar token
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not a thing I can actually do

steel beacon
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still community would likely hate it

slim grail
#

Perhaps part of the issue is that watched phase is largely non-interactive
20 seconds really isn't all that much time to add to a run, but it feels terrible to wait through because there's nothing you can really do in it
(I think this still somewhat applies to the void matter room because you're forced to do one continuous thing for a while, but this is already being worked on)

mortal moon
slim grail
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Yes but it's being worked on

mortal moon
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because for some reason wave 2 is still not shortened (???)

steel beacon
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I think there's no delay between the waves?

mortal moon
steel beacon
polar token
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so basically back end of greg

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every 10% HP he gets a different set of spells

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and at 75% 50% 25% he does the watched

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but it only checks the % after a spell cooldown

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so like he does a spell has a 5 second cooldown then chekcs the %

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and at the start of the fight he has 4 seconds of not casting a spell

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so if u kill him in that time he wont even be able to check if his hp has gone down

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I want to find a way to make it so the second he is at 75% hp for example he does the watched

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with no wait

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and I do agree that the watched should be changed but like

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its flow was meant for when greg was to be a long fight

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when greg is a long fight the watched is a little break

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when u are killing greg so quickly the watched feels too slow

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I might maybe give the watched only 1 warning lazer to make it save time

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and be a bit harder

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feel faster pased

slim grail
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Watched definitely does feel a lot better in longer fights, but the general dps demands in the challenge rooms means that usually the fight usually still goes pretty fast unless you're the last one alive

polar token
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do you think nameless hp should be buffed?

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cuz one issue with the nameless

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is that is was made before the AT

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even thoe they came out in the same update

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so we really were not sure how the AT would effect the nameless

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and its been a year now for shit to kinda level out so I am looking into non reflexive rebalance work for the nameless boss

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I dont really think the challange rooms, outside of the 1 room waiting for the waves, need much changes

slim grail
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Challenge rooms are all pretty alright except for void matter (this is the dps check one because things get bad if you can't kill the despairing crawler fast enough and don't have high aoe)
Soul shrubs feel a bit punishing to archetypes like boltslinger, but that's not really a room design issue

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The soul shrubs would be less of an issue if people also understood the rooms mechanics well enough to cooperate better

polar token
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the one with the waves?

slim grail
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Yes

polar token
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ok just double checking

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yee i agree

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that actually was the first room made for the nameless

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lol

slim grail
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It was one of the first two back when Nightbaker made his tna video

steel beacon
polar token
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yee we moved it to the last room cuz it was much harder

steel beacon
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that's more like AT needs nerfs instead of greg buffs

polar token
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and I agree but idk if that will happen

slim grail
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Imo it would feel better if it didn't take 10 seconds to get the void matters
If they took time and coordination of who gets what, the defense would feel better

polar token
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and even still there will always be some AT shit

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that is overpowered

polar token
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when it first came out this wasnt an issue

steel beacon
polar token
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and it did take a little while for people to get them all

slim grail
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True

polar token
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making it harder to get the voids

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would only mean people will master the harder one again

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and we will have the same issue

steel beacon
#

parkour can be skipped by anyone who can fly basically

polar token
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yee but thats true of all pk

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I think really the room just needs the waves to speed up

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to adjust to how fast people play

steel beacon
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as bandaid you can also buff his thunder defence to like 500

polar token
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I am gunna buff his defs

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in genear;l;

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from 175 to 250

steel beacon
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air it's not a problem I think, as for melting hp bars

polar token
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and give him -10000 fire def

plucky helm
steel beacon
slim grail
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Beyond the issue of wave times, the largest nuisance I encounter in the room is the despairing crawler (and the dendrite drifter as well, but that one isn't as big of an issue) not having knockback immunity
You can't really use abilities which have a side effect of moving enemies without causing an issue for the rest of your team

steel beacon
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like 325 thunder, 250 water and 175 air

severe turret
steel beacon
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isn't eledefs change better to more specifically adress the problem?

polar token
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Not really

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like i said if we had the ability i would give him a dps cap

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just so even if u can do 1 million dps

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u still actually have to kinda

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fight him

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for 20 seconds

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and deal with at least a few spells

wet nymph
#

when are we getting forced multiple watches

severe turret
plucky helm
slim grail
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Or just slap a fire powder onto a bolt build

steel beacon
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eledefs scale with your spell ratios!

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it was always a thing

slim grail
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That's only on players

wet nymph
slim grail
polar token
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I do want to do more to attack people in the air

wet nymph
polar token
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than the skulls

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na

steel beacon
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flying purple circles!

polar token
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currently the nameless has 2 spells that basically do nothing

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the blue water line

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and the dragon fire balls

wet nymph
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make those fireballs hit people in the air

polar token
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im changing them to also attack people in the air

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yee

fluid basin
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give greg a flamethrower attack !

polar token
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give greg heavy pull

wide edge
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no

polar token
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yes

steel beacon
slim grail
slim grail
wet nymph
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also hmelee is a bit broken

polar token
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greg used to have a pull spell with script

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that pulled palyers up into the air towards him

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like a black hole above him

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sucked u in

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that was removed

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he also did used to have a clone spell

wet nymph
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i think itd be cool if like

polar token
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where he spawned a bunch of clones

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and if u hit a clone

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it exploded

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on u

wet nymph
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if anyone was in air itd do the reverse of that, and just pull everyone onto the ground

fluid basin
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imo u should find a way to make kiting also harder

wide edge
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why

wet nymph
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it makes it too easy tbh

slim grail
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Kiting setting a hard walk speed requirement for the raid is annoying, but it existing isn't really a problem

wet nymph
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well i think kiting being a way to combat tna is fine but it makes the raid too easy

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as of now that is. add some complexity

wide edge
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ur asking too much its a minecraft server

wet nymph
wide edge
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youre new

slim grail
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The roar, jump, and skulls still require a response from the player

steel beacon
wet nymph
wide edge
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wow so many

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why do you believe in the ct then

wet nymph
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i see that this lumi feller has good ideas and they helped make good camps so i have some faith based off that

steel beacon
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remember, CT is majorly volunteers

wet nymph
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salted faith is nonexistent this is true

gritty summit
# polar token what I would like to try and do is this

patching wall cheese is good but why trying to add hard caps to the raid? sure maybe it didn't fit your original design but having room for creativity and pushing the boundaries is part of what gives fun replayable endgame content and innovations (wars exist but u can't always do those whenever u want). this seems a bit too focused on a very tiny majority of the player base that is consistently doing this with optimized builds and partially premade parties

wide edge
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the last good update was 1.20

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been a while ive lost faith

slim grail
steel beacon
wide edge
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yeah i am

steel beacon
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and instead of focusing on finishing what's broken he instead adds new features which break even more things

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game-affecting bugs are not fixed for ages

polar token
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skipping content it not good

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when CSST was abusable it was technically just players super optimizing

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but it was allowing new players to just skip the game

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and that is not a good thing to allow or encourage

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greg is currently meant to be the hardest boss in the game

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there is no set of items, AT, spells, whatever that should allow u to just kill him in 5 seconds

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if there is it is simply an oversite that should be fixed

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and when a super optimal start is discovered

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everyone starts doing it

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also this is an mmo

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super optimaztion effects other people

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making gregs fight a joke allows his items to just be created on mass, and encourages more players to, instead of engaging with the fight and difficulty, use the perfect items and abilities, skip the fight, and take the rewards

plucky helm
#

boss armor .....

slim grail
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Boundless set is really cool but Fractal is the only weapon with interesting IDs, and shaman isn't very good for greg so no one really uses the set

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I'm a fan of 2/3 boundless set giving 51% walk speed though, but I haven't found a use for it yet

wet nymph
polar token
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its not just his specific weapons, just all his rewards in genearl

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and outside of that

wet nymph
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ik im including the powders, the corks, the keys

polar token
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being able to skip the fight in general is just bad game design

wet nymph
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theyre all super cheap and super abundantly supplied that they wouldnt even recover in price for actual months

polar token
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if a bug allowed players to skip the fight in 5 seconds we would patch it

wet nymph
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the grace period in question:

polar token
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just because skipping the fight requires some abilities doesn't change the effect

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and any way it doesn't mater, I can't add a dps cap or a genearl def buff to greg

wet nymph
#

i still agree with the sentiment that the boss is way too easy and is practically getting skipped

polar token
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I dont think the boss is too easy, if you are using not super obtimized for the boss weapons its pretty hard

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look at people playing it early on

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and buffing it would kill anyone who isnt used super op AT strats

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which is why if I could a DPS Cap would help

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as that would ONLY effect players using strats that are clearly an oversite

gritty summit
#

not really a fight skip lol, you severely underestimate pfinder players
e.g. recently I loaded into a pfinder full of divzers and warriors and did like 15m/22 no one cycle. it's not that trivial to do randomly lol

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also TNA not even close to hardest endgame content but wars have no direct rewards and aren't mainstream so fair

polar token
#

hardest boss

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its meant to be the hardest boss

gritty summit
#

I consider guild towers bosses but ok ye ic watchu mean

wet nymph
#

the real hard boss is the friends we make along the way

polar token
#

but like gain, why would a dps cap mater in that situation u describe?

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my point is that a dps cap would only effect people who are 1 cyycling

gritty summit
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with ur close to 4 forced watched and forced 75% cap on start
and it would invalidate an entire play style of builds

polar token
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how does making the nameless boss take at least 20 seconds to kill do that?

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also if I did do this I would make the watched quicker

gritty summit
#

what? your proposal forced like 4 watches and 25% cap dmg per phase no

polar token
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its 3 watched phases

wide edge
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thatll be like 3 mins though right

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so pretty much double raid time

gritty summit
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ye sorry 3 watch and 4 combat phase
again, still makes the raid super repetitive and boring, and also completely invalidates a bunch of fun fairly diverse playstyles

polar token
#

I frankly think thats bullshit

gritty summit
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shockingly you don't need only cata idol to do a lot of damage but at 25% cap u might as well be a tanky toe tickler

polar token
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have you not even read what I said?

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I said I want a 1 million dps cap on nameless

wet nymph
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per player?

polar token
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not a 25% damge cap or whatever u are talking about

slim grail
#

Maybe the Sightseeing Interceptor could be given a health bar; if you get watched while attacking it you suddenly need to disengage, but it would give a way to end a watched phase

polar token
#

just in genearl

gritty summit
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which is pretty absurd

wet nymph
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i could hit 1m on like

gritty summit
#

1m DPS cap is fucking ridiculous for 4 players

wet nymph
#

shaman summoner....
solo....

polar token
#

if that is the case then the nameless needs an hp buff

gritty summit
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just introduce a new much harder raid for people to try hard at this point. actually good content update

wet nymph
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at that point buff his hp a fuck ton

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wide edge
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LMAO

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new #1 ct

polar token
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if actually having to fight the nameless is such an issue for you then don't play the raid

wet nymph
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actually tbf the only reason it seems so easy rn is because u skip all the difficulty since he cant throw spells out quick enough

polar token
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you are skipping the content

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all his spells

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anything

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but having such high dps

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so a dps cap or something is needed

wet nymph
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i think people forget the boss is actually hard cus they like 1 watch him

polar token
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any boss no mater how hard its spells is

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would be easy

gritty summit
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shockingly I don't have several thousand TNA completions 🙀 just trying to help u stop hyperfocusing on the wrong stuff

what makes TNA interesting is that you have to dodge his hits to survive. focus more on that and not implementing a bunch of artificial DPS caps that would make the raid super unfun

polar token
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if u can kill them in 5 seconds

sharp ibex
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cap dps so like cata does the equivalent of like cascade so real

wide edge
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hi mehku

polar token
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before he does anything

sharp ibex
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hey appl

plucky helm
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some of you definitely aren't human. some of you are little goblins that have snuck onto computers

sharp ibex
gritty summit
polar token
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Again who cares?

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u dodge 1 spell

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and then kill him in 5 seconds

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wet nymph
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tbh dps cap would just make higher dps builds kinda just shitter tier

polar token
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I dont like the idea of a dps cap