content team drama gossip (REAL) (NOT CLICKBAIT)

[verbal shell]

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[wild coral]

hi

[verbal shell]

hi unbeatttt

[vocal quarry]

fuck the ct

[wild coral]

clickbait tbh

[upbeat dune]

HATING on all the ct with this thread 💯

nobodys safe

[verbal shell]

look i just think

[granite agate]

search through this thread for mentions of "deusphage" or "madeline" or "maddie" in a few months time (surely it will be active with discussion)

[verbal shell]

yeah...

[wild coral]

[verbal shell]

no bc like

[upbeat dune]

madeline wynncraft desuphage carrying threads

[verbal shell]

mmmm

anywayyyys

what else is there\

[upbeat dune]

does praising some ct work

is it allowed in the thread

[verbal shell]

depends on the ct

i mean ig

[upbeat dune]

hams

[verbal shell]

i lvoe hams

[kind ginkgo]

i hate all the ct why are prof bad

[verbal shell]

hams is so cool

[verbal shell]

girl im trying to make them ebtter dw

i did the profs changes for 2.0

[upbeat dune]

he talked to me like a total of 4 times and he had nothing bad to say 😻

[kind ginkgo]

I'M A GIRL???? 😳

[silver drift]

hams unbanned me from hero beta so hes cool

[verbal shell]

i had a lot more i wanted to do for profs but they got shot down unfortunately

[kind ginkgo]

profs will never reach the standard I want them to reach unfortunately

ok
*it is very very unlikely

[verbal shell]

we wanted to do crafting writs and a boost to crafting xp as well as some other stuff

[kind ginkgo]

like the only way I see gathering being salvageable is a fundamental rework

crafting is fine but the numbers are a thing

[verbal shell]

what would you like to see

[upbeat dune]

i think the problem with profs is like

[kind ginkgo]

I've had a couple of mock up ideas that I never really got around to with anywhere but just like. ok, at the very least you should be able to move around and ride a horse while gathering, that should be bare minimum

[upbeat dune]

its just too much

[kind ginkgo]

the fact you have to just stand perfectly still and then a mob knocks you half a block which stops the progress is just awful

[upbeat dune]

you cant fit in that much replayability into all that without making it like an entirely different minigame in of itself

[kind ginkgo]

it still wouldnt be fun but like it could maybe be more tolerable

[verbal shell]

yea one thing i wanted to was like weekly mega nodes

for each profession every ten levels

doesnt fix

the fundamental issue

of gathering being like

not engaging

[kind ginkgo]

like, I'd want profs to be like, a core (though still optional) part of the game, but I don't think they're supposed to be anything more than an mmo time waster to keep people logged on and to sell bombs

I would love NOTHING more than to play craftsman over and over (ok it would get old EVENTUALLY) but even doing it once is a miserable experience because the experience is mostly just standing still waiting for nodes to gather

[verbal shell]

yea i mean as someone who was around on ct when profs were still being added i genuinely think profs were just thought up by jp to inflate playtime for people that want to 100%

im not 100% sure

[upbeat dune]

that explains so much

[kind ginkgo]

ignoring the part where you have to then grind for a fkton of trash ingreds to level up, and then some good ingreds you actually wanna use for crafting are like, a headache to get

especially since while there sure are a lot of ingreds, there usually arent many different options

like if I want mana regen before endgame, what am I gonna use? bottled fairy or bottled fairy?

[kind ginkgo]

:(

[verbal shell]

yea

jp and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[wild coral]

the portal emanation in question

[upbeat dune]

so like +2.1k hours of playtime MINIMUM

[granite agate]

jp is such a character

so much lore

[verbal shell]

like i think the ideal of crafting in being able to make any item you want is realized but only at the very very end of the game

[kind ginkgo]

that's also a nightmare to get it seems

[wild coral]

its not that bad

[upbeat dune]

^

[wild coral]

drops from rare mob tho

[kind ginkgo]

I don't think I've EVER seen the rare mob. it spawns in roots of corruption right

[verbal shell]

i do think ingredients need like a blanket doubling of drop rates

like minimum

[upbeat dune]

maybe the issue with profs isnt that it takes so long to get to max level

the issue is that profs are meaningless unless you have max level

[wild coral]

yea but i cant remember which of the two it is that drops it

[kind ginkgo]

its not the blaze god thing

[wild coral]

ah

[upbeat dune]

and i think this is mostly because

[kind ginkgo]

because I HAVE seen that mob but havent gotten the drop

[wild coral]

yea uhm

[verbal shell]

and i do think for rare mobs the exclusive ings need to be like

[upbeat dune]

wynn progression is too fast to justify spending like an hour to get ingredients for a level 70 crafted chestplate

[verbal shell]

basically guaranteed

[wild coral]

the brown mob has extremely awkward spawn locations

[verbal shell]

it also like

[kind ginkgo]

I bet, I think I saw it on the new item guide at some point and I have no clue what the spots even are. like, a random cave? is it even inside the roots of corruption??

[verbal shell]

wynn's gameplay loop was not built for something as long as professions

[upbeat dune]

yea

[wild coral]

its like

[upbeat dune]

its just one is too short and one is too long

pr much

[verbal shell]

like. you are supposed to log on, decide what you want to do for 20mins, decide if you want to go on, etc etc

[wild coral]

on the walls of roots of corruption theres these small indents/cracks/caves where they spawn

[verbal shell]

one of the big rules in terms of adding new stuff to the gameplay loop is

can't take longer than 20mins

you need to have the chance to log off every ~20mins

[upbeat dune]

including quests?

[verbal shell]

and still feel accomplished

[verbal shell]

longer quests are sort of an exception but generally yes

[wild coral]

me doing ahc in 20 minutes

[kind ginkgo]

item guide says these are the spots for soul corrupter
I also spent like an hour killing nether wights with lvl 100 lb/lq stuff and didnt get a drop

[wild coral]

yep its quite dumb

[upbeat dune]

im ngl this is a good rule

[verbal shell]

but w profs you just don't feel any accomplishment unless you either craft something super powerful and good or level up a prof

[upbeat dune]

i think it should be more like 30 minutes

but still a good rule

[kind ginkgo]

well maybe I'll manage to ever find the mob in the future. maybe. it's still a massive downgrade compared to bottled fairy but like. better than nothing

[verbal shell]

and levelling up a prof takes SO FUCKING LONG

like even at level 40-50ish

you can't level up once in 20mins

[kind ginkgo]

its not quite that slow there yet

but yeah, it's just dumb

[silver drift]

doesn’t help that crafteds are a balance nightmare

[kind ginkgo]

when the "content" is standing still

[upbeat dune]

thats certainly an exaggeration but i get your point

[wild coral]

without dxp + speed im not sure thats an exaggeration tbh

[verbal shell]

^

[kind ginkgo]

it still is

it takes like, 5-10 mins to level up once

closer to 5. but it still feels like forever

[verbal shell]

i did all my woodcutting w/o gxp and no prof bombs until like level 70ish

[wild coral]

it felt endless when i did it

[verbal shell]

at the beginning of 1.18

[kind ginkgo]

well it's been sped up a bit since then

and it still feels shitty asf

[verbal shell]

and w crafting it's like

[kind ginkgo]

for me the tipping point is lvl 50+

[wild coral]

true you get more xp now

[silver drift]

getting crafteds to be adequately strong enough and worth grinding through professions while not completely destroying the game is like

not possible

[upbeat dune]

honestly

[wild coral]

yea

[verbal shell]

good ings are too rare to be able to get six powerful ingredients in 20mins

[kind ginkgo]

yeah and that's the thing, other than at endgame your reward for leveling your gatherings and craftings for another 10 levels is. nothing

[verbal shell]

and if you just buy it from TM then it's like

over immediately

[upbeat dune]

in an ideal world it would be like
anyone can craft anything but you need to get the ingredients
and levelling up profs just enhances the stats or something

atleast in my mind

[kind ginkgo]

I threw around an idea of removing gathering levels altogether when 1.18 was new

[wild coral]

thats kinda how it works now tho

[kind ginkgo]

tie tools to combat level and just, get rid of gathering levels entirely

[upbeat dune]

no you still have to level up crafting profs to even be able to craft with good ingredients

[wild coral]

you can craft at lvl 1 crafting lvl

[upbeat dune]

and ALL the good ingredients are locked past level 80 - 100

[kind ginkgo]

unless its bottled fairy
then its locked past your sanity

[upbeat dune]

yeah

[kind ginkgo]

honestly too little too late but like

[upbeat dune]

both are your sanity actually

[verbal shell]

i also think there needs to be

[kind ginkgo]

genuinely could've just like, put max levels on ingreds

[verbal shell]

way more ways to get ingredients

[kind ginkgo]

artificial balancing? absolutely, but at least it works

you wouldnt have to worry about so and so lvl 15 3* ingred being op at endgame because it gives ANY stats for a minimal to zero dura decrease

oh yeah also one thing that could actually reasonably be improved

[upbeat dune]

oh shit

what about like

ingredients scaling with the level of the item

[kind ginkgo]

idk why 0* and 1* ingreds are so limited in what they can be used

why can I not make armor or cook or whatever with rotten flesh

why do I need a separate item to level each one

[wild coral]

crafting is so convoluted

[upbeat dune]

certainly

[kind ginkgo]

highly doubt 0* or 1* items break any balance by being more widely usable

[wild coral]

i always have to quadruple check to make sure that i got it right

[kind ginkgo]

0* ingreds especially, I feel could just legit be globally always usable in every crafting

every single one

and I don't see how the game'd be worse for it

the only thing that needs to be done is add a -durability or duration depending on which one the item doesnt have yet

[verbal shell]

i genuinely think a component based crafting system would be infinitely better than what we've currently got but unfortunately it'd break every existing crafted

[kind ginkgo]

I think crafting is fundamentally pretty good

[upbeat dune]

how would it work

[kind ginkgo]

but everything around it is, not

[verbal shell]

it'd be limited mainly to weapons is the problem

[wild coral]

the checkmark turns out red 99% of the time I try to craft something cause theres always some stupid restriction that I forgot would prevent me from crafting the item

its so annoying

[verbal shell]

every class of weapon would have a certain amount of components, like a bow would have bowstring and a back and a limb, you could mix and match, and since there's much fewer possible slots for ings/materials, each one has much more effect on the final product

could even open up an avenue to major ids on crafteds

but ofc that's basically fanfiction atp

bc its never gonna happen

[wild coral]

😭

[verbal shell]

i know right

[clever sage]

wow new thread

[verbal shell]

linny do you have content team gossip

[clever sage]

none i really want to say here

[verbal shell]

!??!

[clever sage]

i think youre just bad im not gonna lie

theres like 2 restrictions

• ur mats are bad
• ur ings are bad

[wild coral]

i’ll take the L

[kind ginkgo]

where drama

[verbal shell]

oh boy

i had a

spat earlier

[zenith locust]

drama

[verbal shell]

yes!

[vocal quarry]

drama

[verbal shell]

yes!

[silver drift]

Can u guys make more content with Ava and raia

[vocal quarry]

no

[verbal shell]

yes