Sky Islands and Molten Heights Lootrun Feedback

[royal charm]

if the algorithm detects youre at too low a skill level, it instantly ends your lootrun

Did I?

[violet hamlet]

wait what skill check

[royal charm]

The skill check.

[violet hamlet]

noooo

[slow wyvern]

the skill check

[violet hamlet]

AAAAAAAAAA

this is what i get for living under a rock

[royal charm]

but yeah i have no idea what @slow wyvern is talking about

i hope they get better soon

[violet hamlet]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[slow wyvern]

well people that lootrun will know what im talking about its ok if you dont do that but i was expecting you to know what i meant by skill check since you added it to the lootrun yourself

cough the mobs that add cough damage on the existing mobs invulnerability COUGH

nah we love se out here

it only skill checks you on some challenges

just get better rng honestly

[dreamy dust]

wa

also i agree witht his, this boon is way too op but it is very funy so idc(800% dmg for free >:))
onlyu annoying thing is that it resets when u /class

[frozen matrix]

Getting it for skill points felt very nice

If they make more changes to boons have it be in a direction like that

[royal charm]

idk what youre talking about

i didnt add anything like that

[frozen matrix]

7 hrs of lring MH today....

eeek

less frost drake problems, still problems with smoke challenge enemy attack curse makes this challange impossible sometimes cause u get just stunlocked but flame thrower and arrow storm nuking u at the same time

[frozen matrix]

Also probably 40-50+ tomes that just are wasting away slots of my chest please I fucking beg remove them from priority

[fair fog]

so based

[frozen matrix]

Finally act tried a gb run, even tho I got a mythic just didn’t feel fun to me

[unreal badger]

what wasn’t fun

[frozen matrix]

Beginning of runs are the worst part for me so it was like “getting over the worst part of lring then ending”

Just felt bad

[frozen matrix]

@royal charm add some sort of fast travel from rodroc to LR camp? its slightly annoying to make the run to the bank and back when ending runs

[royal charm]

💀

next update adds a mobility scooter

[waxen briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-cat-slide-gif-17371923036948092691

can i have a lamborghini

[frozen matrix]

Plz I’m obese

[frozen matrix]

Also tealy idk if u changed the #s even more or I’m a just coping but ice drake dmg is a bit “too small” I’d recommend looping in another attack or some sort of “sit still range attack” so that he doesn’t just nuke u but the explosion has some threat seeing as it takes you from 1/4 health- 1/2 I think a range cycle attack next would be “threatening” but nope op hopefully

[unborn vault]

uh oh
bug or intended feature!

[shut juniper]

coding issue

[unborn vault]

coding feature

[shut juniper]

they dont want u have 1 free stack from the start of the boon so they make it negative 1 at start

[frozen matrix]

It comes from having madman then getting the curse cleansed lmao

[waxen briar]

skyraider plaza is so fucking dog shit some times

[unreal badger]

😆

[waxen briar]

i love losing a boon to ultimate sacrafice cuz a random ass hound decided to hide in the most obscure part of the area

and i spend 50 morbilion years trying to find it

[unreal badger]

I only played it once but I know what you mean because I also struggled finding mobs in that chal

[waxen briar]

and every time its a different spot to make it even more fun

[waxen briar]

also can dust devil ovis not fly off into the sunset evrey time i attempt to fight him with ws curses

[tall harbor]

Class

And then pray your health regens to full before it spawns

[waxen briar]

i had to class 2 times cuz it flew off twice

[tall harbor]

Dang

[waxen briar]

the second time it was all the way at the bottom and i killed it but it didnt count
fun (:

[shut juniper]

i chase and killed the dust devil at the bottom of the challenge place

[violet hamlet]

could we make the cap for anti-camp mobs like 2 mobs max because i just did a lootrun in mh with acrobat and it was really difficult

i had to touch the ground constantly so i wasn’t getting absolutely obliterated, and had max defence and like 4 hp boons

not to mention 300% hpr

by challenge 30 it was nearly impossible to do some challenges

i really don’t like how they instantly disappear when you touch the ground, either
i like the idea of the flying mobs to help with acrobat and battle monk’s insane survivability due to flight, but it wasn’t executed well imo
at least not in mh

in sky i have no issues with it, except for the skyraider plaza challenge because like 500 flying airships spawn

at least the mobs that have flamethrower or ranged attacks could be more limited spawn-wise

it feels like there’s no cap a lot of times

[undone pagoda]

Imo if your archetype gives you survivability by design (or anything really) it is weird to say "no" and throw something that negates it

[violet hamlet]

i mean it was pretty broken tbf

but it feels like way too much right now

[undone pagoda]

I'd argue dps and mobility is more important

[violet hamlet]

the mobs just shouldn’t inhibit your gameplay the way they do

you shouldn’t have to stop playing your archetype how it’s meant to be played just to survive

[undone pagoda]

And warp doesn't get punished for being fast

[violet hamlet]

very true

cough idol charge spam cough

[undone pagoda]

And high damage builds dont run into thorns mobs yknow

[violet hamlet]

yeah

acro is pretty balanced rn imo because it’s flat damage output isn’t a high as like archer or warrior, but it has the best mobility of all archetypes imo

[unreal badger]

comparing acro in themes of lootrun to archer is hilarious

acro isn’t even as fast either but archers just a joke anyways

maybe if propeller finally gets added to pool acrobat can be as good as idol ..

[frozen matrix]

Acro has the best mobility? Wtf crack have you been smoking?

Maybe preference but I hate the way acro moves

[royal charm]

which challenges spawn too many anti-camp

[violet hamlet]

let me get the names of em just a second

Azer Arsenal
Frigid Hollow (only done this one a few times but it was very difficult imo)
Entombed Elementals
Flerisi Sapling
Draconic Graveyard (felt like there were 50 of those yellow things after just a few seconds of flying)

maybe the anti-camp mobs wouldn't spawn instantly, just like after 5-6 seconds maybe?

it just feels like they swarm you way too fast for just playing normally

[royal charm]

They take ~8s to spawn

[violet hamlet]

hmm okay
i'll do another lootrun and see how it is

[royal charm]

also entombed elementals is nearly totally flat how did you struggle with anticamp

flerisi sapling anticamp are weak as fuck

[violet hamlet]

maybe i just suck but like i can do sky without many issues

[royal charm]

are you sure you actually struggled with all of these?

[violet hamlet]

all i really noticed was that there were so many of them that i couldn't effectively fight the mobs i needed to and was taking a lot of damage

but i'll do another one and see cause maybe it was just me skill issuing
it felt really difficult, more than other lrs, but i'm not totally sure yet

for flerisi sapling, they don't do that much damage (on challenge 5), but they did spawn like right underneath me which procced pirouette, and that messed me up

[frozen matrix]

Ya sorry tealy I don’t touch acro so I couldn’t comment on much of the anti camp stuff for MH

It works well for classes that do grounded combat tho imo

[violet hamlet]

permafrost drake just one-shot me lmao

on a rainbow beacon
damn

[frozen matrix]

Eek. Tip for that rlly rlly pay attention to his spell cycling. When u see webs fr just run behind the Pilar so he can’t follow and wait the x2 explosion out

[violet hamlet]

i think it was a melee cause i didn't see any spells

[violet hamlet]

thanks

[undone pagoda]

why do you run mh this week tho, is there something good nonmythic?

[violet hamlet]

um no i just lootrun for fun

[undone pagoda]

ah ok

[violet hamlet]

i wouldn't stop lootrunning just because there aren't good mythics

but the pool sucks

[waxen briar]

you actualy have fun lootruning right now..?

[violet hamlet]

i mean it's not perfect but yeah

[waxen briar]

crazy

[undone pagoda]

I'd rather lr sky or cork on acro (without even considering the pools)

[waxen briar]

for me its straight up the worst its ever been 😭

[undone pagoda]

I also enjoy 2.0.4 for the most part but i don't run that much

[violet hamlet]

i like sky lrs, they're pretty balanced

[waxen briar]

you wont like them if you played arcanist

shits designed to fuck with arcanists in particular
and riftwalker i guess but nobody lootruns on rift

[violet hamlet]

yeah but that's an arcanist problem not a lr problem

[waxen briar]

yeah i guess so

every class is capable of hiting airborne enemies easily and then there is arcanist having to tp 5 times directly above the target as fast as possible just to hit 1 meteor

[undone pagoda]

Corkus is literally the best lr now imo

[frozen matrix]

I like MH cause everything is pretty close to each other and I enjoy the combat more than lutho atm

Corkus has the best pool but the caves are so annoying to me

The caves take like 20 years to finish imo

[frozen matrix]

Pretty accurate of my thoughts too

The hero beta had so much potential and I feel like they just went in the exact opposite direction of what players wanted

[covert cosmos]

I hate corkus cause half the time the beacon I want is literally on the other side of Corkus and it takes me like half an hour to get to it

[frozen matrix]

^

Then there is like 4 different mountains in my way so I have ti take the “paths”

[undone pagoda]

The only annoying one is the farmbot thing near uth altar

The rest is fairly pathable

[waxen briar]

corkus is pretty nice to lr with warp

[undone pagoda]

Caves in corkus are best suited for spelunks as a challenge

[waxen briar]

unlike sky it doesnt have shitty flying enemies that stare at you from the sky and mock you

[undone pagoda]

"Kill a single mob and loot a single chest" is not particularly interesting

[frozen matrix]

Eh I’d much perfer if lring incoperated more boss fight type of combat instead of what is currently is. I’m not the biggest fan of spelunk caves cause it ends of feeling extremely repetitive much more than combat does to me

[shut juniper]

ok good to know time to nerf corkus

[undone pagoda]

Yay single chest cork caves

[shut juniper]

no, add tons of anti camp

[undone pagoda]

Anticamp between chals

[frozen matrix]

https://youtu.be/TAcsYWGtUto?si=7wdNU1hWKrs0LQ1j

Convinced this is the guide Wynn used when making the lr system

It’s scary how accurate this 1 yr old vid is to the issues with lring….

[shut juniper]

premise: lr is a roguelike

[inner flicker]

it plays out as one

more roguelite though

[frozen matrix]

Fr

[royal charm]

thanks yall

[unborn vault]

so
would everyone prefer to go back to when lootrunning meant loot quality crafted slap and opening every chest through the wonderful content of pressing right click continuously

[waxen briar]

no but i would prefer a bit less rng when it comes to forming a good lootrun and i would also prefer if getting a mythic meant something

right now i can go 50 lootruns in a row without a good lootrun, end all of them at around 20 challenges and STILL GET 5+ MYTHICS???

[unborn vault]

Get a shiny mythic

[waxen briar]

thats easy il just fail 50 lootruns get 3 warps sell one of them and buy an unid shiny monster for 5 stx

or sell 2 warps to get unid shiny warp

(shinies arent the fix salted was hoping they would be)

[unborn vault]

I mean
It's still cool though
Add more cosmetic effects to them (copiously expensive cosmetics are awesome)

[waxen briar]

yeah if they can actualy be seen by other players and used to flex outside of screenshots in discord

dont get me wrong i like my shiny warp with wars won and il keep farming wars won for it
but it rly doesnt feel that special

[waxen briar]

you could probably get the raw LE through TNA even faster if you grind it quickly with a party

[inner flicker]

yes, but mythics not being so special is not gonna change i imagine. smt would have to replace them as i see shinies arent quite that

[waxen briar]

yeah its most likely too late for mythics, they are completely ruined through and through

but hey the casual player can now have every mythic in the game!
who cares if the players that like to grind get shafted

[inner flicker]

they are gonna need to shift their focus to another thing

[waxen briar]

if only there was another thing

like there is nothing in the game that can replace the funy purple box dopamine rush

[inner flicker]

thats the problem

[waxen briar]

i would not be suprised if salted shares the exact same opinion

[royal charm]

i do not think he does

[waxen briar]

well even if he doesnt its too late now (probably)

[royal charm]

its never "too late" to fix it. but it is too late for a small change to fix it

[waxen briar]

hmm
what do you think would be needed to fix it?

[royal charm]

i have some ideas that i wont be divulging

[shut juniper]

make mythics become consumable

[frosty bough]

80% of mythics are instantly deleted

[unreal badger]

durability mythics 🤪

[vital shoal]

make mythics automatically put you into hunted and make them drop on death

[slow wyvern]

thats because whoever coded in the spawn radius made it so they can spawn in the buildings and behind them

bros i did a 340pull 3rr run in sky and it didnt give me a mythic because they edited the stupid sky chest and i was on an old world when i rolled it.

i think it had nothing to do with my luck and its a bug that the devs made

also speaking of editing the chest i was under the impression the loot was random every week atleast that was what somebody in vc said the other day but clearly they were trolling

they removed lament from sky and added insulator to sky?

strange behavior from the devs but im gonna get my warp/crabs this run i can feel it.

[unborn vault]

they removed the last mythic from each pool, and I presume that the augments count as Extra stuff that got rerolled
(on that note, still no Propeller Hat, hooray!)

[slow wyvern]

i want them to put epoch and crabs into every camp so i can gamble those 😄

[unreal badger]

😎

[tender patio]

it is random!

[unreal badger]

salted on a roll

[slow wyvern]

it does seem like its .2-.3 lower now these end chests have me on my knees

i pulled crabs lets go

[shut juniper]

what's the mythic rate now

[slow wyvern]

its somewhere around 1/2800 - 1/3500 now

im sure theres other lootrunners here who feel the rarity like i did immediately get more difficult

pre patch it was like 1/1500 - 1/2500 somewhere in that range

i miss getting 2 mythics in one end chest

theres still a chance now just rarer 😭

[shut juniper]

pre patch it is between 1.2k - 1.7k

[slow wyvern]

yes you lootrun a lot too right we will coolaborate to figure out the new chance

my last mythic was crabs after 340 x 3 + 202 x 2 effective pulls

[shut juniper]

nope sorry i dont lr anymore

i dont even play wynn now i just wonder when can they fix the "fun" of lr

[unreal badger]

how will they fix it if salted worsens it every patch?

[shut juniper]

i am pretty sure it will be fixed in the next 30sec to 50years

[waxen briar]

or they will just give up on lootruns mid way and move onto ruining reworking something else like guild wars or dungeons

[shut juniper]

that's great so i dont need to come back anymore

[unreal badger]

that could be generous

[slow wyvern]

fixing reworking same meaning

[unreal badger]

salteds plan is to release something that players like, let it sit around for a while, realise that players are enjoying so it must be changed.. and slowly ruining it, letting players believe that every patch something might be added to fix the issues within his design- only for players to find out every patch makes gameplay worse 😆

[slow wyvern]

im alright with the changes to lootrunning. i think it is more balances with proffing and tna now

[unreal badger]

are you talking about terms of money making? because that isn’t the main issue with lootrunning lol

[waxen briar]

salted is cooking us with some deep psychology shit

[unreal badger]

he is for real

[shut juniper]

why cant they just make the missions or boons as op as possible then nerf the mythic rate to stupid low?

[unreal badger]

who knows possibly players have hope for something like fruma.. wait till salted trolls the players so hard in this update

[waxen briar]

just leting us taste something fun for a bit then just removing it

[shut juniper]

that's the best way to make lr fun imo

[slow wyvern]

it just seems like every run is about going for specific missions and not having fun during the lootrun

[waxen briar]

who said fun is allowed

[shut juniper]

idk maybe jesus

[waxen briar]

me personaly i go for specific missions cuz i cant have fun without them

like there isi no way i would subject myself to this torture without both cleansing ritual and equilibrium

especialy with how shity designed some mobs are

[shut juniper]

try to take only those green and yellow missions and fight those 100 curses mobs!!! best fun in game!!!

[waxen briar]

i know atleast one person that enjoys fighting high curse no boon lootruns but thats just one person

[shut juniper]

i love taking an hour to kill only 1 mob!!!

[waxen briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iosDg5jz1RA sanest wynncraft player

[shut juniper]

lbender enjoyer

wait how can u solo Orphion?

[waxen briar]

u dont get crystalized if you are solo

[shut juniper]

wait what? really?

that's the first time i heard that

[waxen briar]

you just take dmg i think

[slow wyvern]

they using a mod to hide their armor because otherwise its a 1 tap

i dont think a weapon gives 7k hp

monster gives 3900 on 100% does anything in the lightbender tree give health?

as a 106 mage, i only have 535 health without gear so idk anymore

[waxen briar]

he has accesories

[slow wyvern]

that makes more sense

[waxen briar]

cant use monster otherwise

[slow wyvern]

immagine completely no armor no accessories

[waxen briar]

well might be doable except u cant use monster atp

[royal charm]

my favorite part of being CT is watching players be confidently wrong about things

[waxen briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905967168120819722/1107470047225589880/Conflict.gif

[slow wyvern]

Pink Beacon:
for the rest of this lootrun, grey beacon missions will be shown to you before you take the beacon so that way you can re roll it if you have a luck issue

Black Beacon #/1 (cant appear until after challenge 25 rare as rainbow):
Sacrifice one of your missions for wonderous rewards!

• this is sort of like a golden mission where u can replace a bad one with a good mission and it takes longer than normal but it can bring back a bad run and make it a valid run. you have to do more challenges to build up the beacon and its sort of like streaking multiplier.
  -- more pulls or sum
  -- more rr or sum
  -- multipliers of sorts
  -- makes it so if u dont get equalibrium its still a valid run.

-- the color of this mission is black because it is its own unique type seperate from the other mission types. this cant be obtained until after challenge 25 and it counter balances equalibrium so you arent getting curses the whole time. I havent thought of how we can do it but it will involve a different beacon besides purple.

Mission:
[Orange Juice]:
-- orange beacons show up twice as often and have increased rewards / streaking multipliers (completing aqua into orange aqua into orange counts as a streak or just orange orange)
[Lemonade]:
-- yellow beacons show up twice as often and have +1 flying chest and streaking yellow beacons gives you that juicy end multiplier

[unreal badger]

i think pattern of evidence shows you are wrong, yet the fact you are CT might mean you have plans

[royal charm]

wrong about what

[inner flicker]

equilibrium makes runs much faster and nearly doubles pulls.

[unreal badger]

you are saying that some of the things said here are wrong.. how about you say like what exactly

[royal charm]

was referring to a few things, but mostly this

just pulling out random numbers with no data

[slow wyvern]

my data is one sample size so it counts

[inner flicker]

well mythic rates were around 1 in 1600 p but now we dont know

[unreal badger]

maybe, but nobody knows the odds since mr salted refuses to use any sort of communication ?

[waxen briar]

you need ATLEAST 100-200k effective pulls for the data to be somewhat credible

[royal charm]

how confident are you

[inner flicker]

#1130744061200961536 message

[royal charm]

lolwhat its not a communication issue, we deliberately are not telling you the exact mythic chances

[unreal badger]

plus the fact you are talking like this tealy implies you would be hate keeping these odds too for whatever reason

and for what reason r u hiding these numbers from players

[royal charm]

because I hate players

clearly

[unreal badger]

no really

[inner flicker]

v2 i talking about

[slow wyvern]

im just using my brain because a lot of you dont understand economics. it wouldnt make any sense if salted just said screw it and made mythics 2x more rare because people would quit loot running until weeks later when the trade market normalizes. It's more likely between 10%-30% adjustment.

[waxen briar]

what

[unreal badger]

what’s the reason ? if it’s a logical one i don’t think you would have a problem at least telling us why

[inner flicker]

thats purely a speculation

[waxen briar]

what does knowing economic have to do with figuring out mythic rates..?

[slow wyvern]

salted wouldnt want people to quit lootrunning for 2 weeks

[waxen briar]

well a lot of us have

[slow wyvern]

he would want to keep them online

[inner flicker]

i basically didnt lr all spirit festival

[slow wyvern]

also dont forget about my sample size of one crabs from about 1600 pulls

[unreal badger]

it’s unfortunate i am asking a ct (and the only one who actually seems to care) a genuine question and I get a response like that

[waxen briar]

but yes as bashscream said thats all speculation, you cant know the TRUE mythic rates no matter what but you can atleast get close to the truth with a LOT of effective pulls

[waxen briar]

that sample size doesnt mean much?

i had a sample size of over 500k pulls and i still dont believe my data was 100% accurate

[inner flicker]

https://onedrive.live.com/edit?id=28FC4C7424EA0C69!9136&resid=28FC4C7424EA0C69!9136&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AFxZmeD-mNv72g4&wdo=2 this much is enough

[royal charm]

time the only person who would ever possibly tell you mythic chances is Salted and if he decides not to then thats all there is

[slow wyvern]

true but in probability you adjust it over time so if next time it takes 10k pulls the math would be (10k + 2k) divided by 2

but think about it i would most likely get a mythic way sooner then 10k pulls

[royal charm]

i might ask him about his reasons for that, so I can tell you them without speculating myself

[slow wyvern]

people are already out there getting more crabs you can check tm and see!

[inner flicker]

accuracy increases with the sample size

[royal charm]

2 things i wont be doing:

1. telling you info I have access to as CT without getting permission
2. assuming reasons for why things arent public knowledge and stating them as fact

[unreal badger]

sure, but you don’t think it’s something that’s very weird to gatekeep? especially since your pattern of text implies you know it yourself considering you say others people data is wrong.

don’t get me wrong by thinking im saying “oh tealy I know you know this so just tell me” but I’m just trying to figure out the logic behind it

[inner flicker]

tm aint a good parameter for how many mythics are produced

[waxen briar]

tealy doesnt need to know the true mythic rates to say that 1600 pull sample size data is wrong tho

[slow wyvern]

i dont think tealy lootruns anymore soo... i think we know the rates better then he does

[royal charm]

please deposit your brain back into your head

[waxen briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/548992842056335378/863814267873787914/image0-7.gif

[unreal badger]

i hope that following your own message you now understand why there are communication complaints

[royal charm]

sorry!

[unreal badger]

👍

[shut juniper]

1022/126 epulls data

[inner flicker]

wut

[waxen briar]

hero beta data goes hard

[shut juniper]

not including shiny

[waxen briar]

runs like this should be possible still ngl

[shut juniper]

they definitely havent shadow change any rate during this few months right?

[waxen briar]

just heavily reduce mythic rates and its fine

[waxen briar]

or heavily reduce mythic rates the more epulls you have so its diminishing returns

[inner flicker]

thats more like it

[shut juniper]

just give me more epulls to gamble

[waxen briar]

can someone tell me how do you skillfuly beat astralus comet boss without just geting flung all over the place like a plush toy

or is it just a stat check and cope with the mechanic cuz its unavoidable type bullshit

[slow wyvern]

its an agi check cope mald and get a rainbow slap build like i have

[waxen briar]

me wit hwarp:

i love tping back onto the platform just to get forcefield pushed towards narnia 3 times in a row

[undone pagoda]

hwarp

[rancid oasis]

Damn... that doesnt even stabilise the economy

Cuz mythics like epoch are gonna get even more expensive

[undone pagoda]

There really needs to be a way to recycle dead mythics

[rancid oasis]

Ikr

like maybe you could sac 10 mythics, and then pick one from the current rotation?

obv for shiny u would need more like 20

[shut juniper]

stand near those little barrier

and face tank the boss

[rancid oasis]

warrior.

[inner flicker]

not really that good against it either (unless idol chargespam which just fly above it)

and ya can facetank

[rancid oasis]

uppersurf :D

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-spin-gif-21121522

[inner flicker]

no floor when

[rancid oasis]

just get back to floor

yk! go in circle

[hollow pewter]

my favorite thing about being a player is pulling out random numbers with no data I'll have you know

[royal charm]

this image goes hard

[frozen matrix]

And you call me rude…

[royal charm]

you are very often rude

[shut juniper]

RUDE!!!

[hollow pewter]

i dont think salted has ever lootrun soo.... i think we know the rates better than he does

[frozen matrix]

Fr

[royal charm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482958702211497994/1171182679950098472/WsxShjg.mp4?ex=655bbfde&is=65494ade&hm=0fdd2e011a6e06e1a3e95ab0504ef6ba86c2d95ad8f7d19e7d66a2ca1bc3b68e&

[lunar lava]

AHHAHAHAHAHA

AJAJHAHAHAHAGHHAGAHGHAHAHA I LITERALLY BURST OUT LAUGHING

[royal charm]

😊

[slow wyvern]

real

salted pays people to worry about all that stuff like the item rates

im done lootrunning corkus for awhile after i got az

[daring pine]

the AMAZING digital circus!!

good funny mr tealy

[unreal badger]

digital circus is so good can’t wait for next ep

[topaz jacinth]

One of the Sky Island lr challenge with the boss "Darkness between the sky" has a bug where rewards chests not spawning. When It TPs you back from the arena, the next challenge starts immediately

I've seen the reward chest several times, but the rate is like 1 out of 20 times

[inner flicker]

where ya fight on a meteor?

or a comet

[topaz jacinth]

I just got aqua + yellow on that slay challenge, and i lost 6 flying chest lol

Yeah, where the witch sent you to a comet

And the bug has been there for a while, wonder why it's still not fixed yet

[lunar lava]

witch ?

[topaz jacinth]

There's a witch sound effect when you got sent to the arena

[waxen briar]

astraulus tower or whatever its called

[lunar lava]

do you not know who astraulus is?

[topaz jacinth]

I haven't done all Sky quests yet, why does it bother you lol

[uncut crest]

People don't remember every generically named npc in the server no

[waxen briar]

ive no idea who that mf is either, the only reason i know their name is cuz wynntils tells me

[lunar lava]

Because you have to do the quest to do the Sky islands lootrun

[violet hamlet]

there are three options in that quest and only one of them (||brie’s dish||) takes you to Astraulus’s Tower.

[cerulean oxide]

I mean
Neither do I

We never see the character in person

[royal charm]

gravity wizard

[cerulean oxide]

Ok yeah but how were we supposed to know that

Unless Brie mentions it idk

[royal charm]

they cast gravity spells

[cerulean oxide]

No but like
Could be a witch

[royal charm]

no

[cerulean oxide]

Besides according to the person above apparently Astralus uses the witch sound effect

I can see how they got that confusion

[royal charm]

witches brew potions and fly on broomsticks

[cerulean oxide]

Nothing proves that Astralus doesn’t do either of those things

[royal charm]

https://tenor.com/view/milly-cat-silly-tongue-cute-gif-12994441737894535490

[slow wyvern]

yes the comet one doesnt spawn reward chest, some challenges in se are/were like this also but i havent run se in a minute so maybe se is patched now ct needs to fix sky and rodo

[shut juniper]

wait se have challenges that dont spawn chest?

[slow wyvern]

it used to but they prob fixed it

[shut juniper]

like at the start of 2.0.3?

[slow wyvern]

graveyard of the thousand doesnt spawn reward chest like 1/5 times still tho i think its still bugged but i would have to start running se again to know.

[shut juniper]

i think that happen if someone in the same world

and doing the graveyard at the same time

[slow wyvern]

@royal charm do you know if this one ^ is fixed cause i will run se again if it is.

[shut juniper]

most of the time the chest does spawn so i guess they dont care about it

[slow wyvern]

you know how sometimes you see somebody else's chest when u start a challenge but its not yours so you cant open it and theres no text? I would be a gambling man if i were to guess these 2 things were related in some way to the chest not spawning sometimes.

like fix one bug and it takes out another bug type situation

[shut juniper]

but like 99% of the time that bug doesnt matter

and that 1% probably only graveyard

[slow wyvern]

well we know graveyard of the thousand, and astrales comet. can you name any others that have this bug in corkus / rodo?

[shut juniper]

comet is a different bug

it is 100% in comet so i guess is it not affected by other player in same world

[slow wyvern]

nope ive seen the comet chest before like 1/30

[shut juniper]

i have never lr in rodo and for corkus i cant remember any challenge have that problem

[slow wyvern]

on like one off lootrun i saw it

i was like wait a second this challenge doesnt have a chest

[shut juniper]

if u have smth like flying chest u can /class to fix the flying chest not appearing and also fix the normal chest dont spawn bug

that bug happen because of the warping effect

and there's no warping in graveyard

[slow wyvern]

i hope they care enough to fix this shit because lootrunners like me are hella discouraged when they lower chances of things but at the same time dont fix things.

[shut juniper]

tbh i thought this is the fix of it at first but it seems no

the comet actually works well in beta but not after live

[slow wyvern]

yeah the bug must be due to the world.spawnchest(p.getWorld)

[shut juniper]

does that mean it spawned in a wrong world?

[slow wyvern]

quite possibly

[shut juniper]

isnt the map in the same world tho?

wait actually only same world for void?

[slow wyvern]

if it is in the same world then my theory just goes out the window

[shut juniper]

/class can make the chest spawn in some situation tho

[slow wyvern]

i think classing re - runs the end challenge code

gonna test it rn

[shut juniper]

but the challenge end and force u to choose another beacon so u need flying chest to pause the time before choosing beacon to /class

[slow wyvern]

i got a boon and /class and the chest spawned again

[shut juniper]

well if u can type that fast, yeah

[slow wyvern]

which makes me think its in a runTaskLater with the wrong params passed

[slow wyvern]

i classed a 2nd time and chest spawned again has nothing to do with speed, just re running the completion code

further reinforcing it might have a runTaskLater(incorrect player / world params...)

this bug might be a hard one to fix 💀

it might be in the base classes

[shut juniper]

i rather they put more time to fix other bugs or designs

instead of only a normal chest

[royal charm]

you are very good at making things up

[royal charm]

i didnt work on SE besides some of the anti-camp, so idk

[royal charm]

whats broken in rodo?

[slow wyvern]

somethings always broken so i will run it later and get back to you on that.

oh yeah i know whats broken. resurgence my favorite boots got superceded after one day they were in pool.

[shut juniper]

huh?

[royal charm]

yeah I did that specifically to spite you

[slow wyvern]

for once it was actually salted that broke something and not you.

[royal charm]

?

[slow wyvern]

ignore that

[unreal badger]

rodo ? why

[unreal badger]

yea this happened lol but i thought u were talking about lootrun stuff not the chest

[waxen briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-cat-slide-gif-17371923036948092691

[violet hamlet]

i find the Mini Airship in the Raider’s Plaza to deal quite a lot of damage with one arrow storm

during my lrs i had to touch the ground very often or just stay grounded as being airborne for more than 3 seconds would kill me

also, it is virtually impossible to kill one mini airship before more spawn due to their high health, forcing you to touch the ground really often

[shut juniper]

yeah i guess that's what they want

[violet hamlet]

idk, every other challenge i can kinda deal with the anti-camp mobs (playing acrobat btw), but this is the only one where it is nearly impossible to survive by playing normally

[shut juniper]

wait how can u survive other anti camp

[violet hamlet]

well like the holy rune in the angel slay can be annoying, but at least you can realistically kill it

[shut juniper]

tbh i dont think they are suppose to be killed in normal situation

[violet hamlet]

it doesn’t work well then, at least not with acrobat

[shut juniper]

but i guess tealy will say if u can u won and u can camp it now

[violet hamlet]

it should at least be something you can deal with realistically

it’s really annoying to have to constantly touch the ground just so i can survive one challenge, and it punishes you for playing acro normally

i’ve stated before that i really like flying mobs to make challenges more difficult for flying archetypes, but this is too much imo

you shouldn’t have to stop playing an archetype how it’s meant to be played just to survive

and we aren’t even going to talk about false respite

[shut juniper]

but the problem is that if it is not too much, range class can camp it easily

[violet hamlet]

even a sharpshooter at max range would struggle i bet, it’s just insanely powerful compared to everything else

[shut juniper]

btw can false respite anti camp annoy flying archetype?

[violet hamlet]

at least nerf the storm to not one shot you

[shut juniper]

then it is able to camp with lbender

[violet hamlet]

i wish i recorded a video of me playing acro on that challenge, there were like 50 grafters spawning below me, which procced pirouette and shot me up, which spawned more and more, and every time i tried to touch the ground they would keep launching me up, and if i got lucky enough to start falling, there would be so many arrows that the knockback quite literally suspended me in mid air

so many particles

[shut juniper]

what will happen if u fly inside the hole?

[violet hamlet]

uhh idk

i haven’t tried it

[shut juniper]

u are suppose to fight exempler inside the hole if u dont want to deal with anti camp, which is why they spawn when u outside of it

[violet hamlet]

wait what

ohhh

that would be a horrible fight for acro ngl, that archetype needs space to fly and dodge

[shut juniper]

false respite have 2 anti camp, one is outside the hole and one is above y-axis

[violet hamlet]

ohh ok

[shut juniper]

idk if the flying anti camp and hit u when u are in the hole tho

because they are flying mobs and idk if they can fly into the hole and shoot u

[violet hamlet]

yeah idk

i think the current flying mobs just like walk on the air or smth, not actually fly but idk

[shut juniper]

btw i havent lr for almost a month so they might have some shadow change for it

[violet hamlet]

yeah maybe

[unborn vault]

welcome to false respite

[shut juniper]

is that shooting beam or what?

[unborn vault]

consider it the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of millions of small, annoying projectiles, conveyed in your direction through the medium of 20 consecutive stacked arrow storms

[shut juniper]

insane

[violet hamlet]

very accurate visualization

[frosty bough]

which one is false respite again

exemplar?

[unborn vault]

yeg

[frosty bough]

i havent se lootran in a while but your drawing is nice

[unreal badger]

that one is actually so bad if i just get slightly above the ground he starts nuking me, and even with ~70k ehp im almost instantly dropped

[hollow pewter]

how are these both... real boons

10% loot bonus 🤯
up to +240% damage

[shut juniper]

rng

[fair fog]

i would take the first boon

[slow wyvern]

i like lootrunning on assasin only because nulli crabs stardust rainbow sanctuary should not be allowed to all work together.

[shut juniper]

huh?

[slow wyvern]

most assasin builds just fold to the skill checks but nulli crabs libra stardust doesnt fold unless u get 0 boons.

oh and intensity is also a must

[shut juniper]

do u have enough dmg with nulli?

[slow wyvern]

yes in the beginning

after 20 it starts to not be enough

[unborn vault]

Persnickety buffs:

[frosty bough]

240 isnt even the best

[hollow pewter]

do u mean for the boon that I got, or just for possible rolls of the boon in general

[shut juniper]

boon in general

[frosty bough]

i usually get like 300s

[shut juniper]

360

[hollow pewter]

dayum

have u ever gotten 15 lq tho ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️

[shut juniper]

get ks so it is 700%dmg

[hollow pewter]

didn't think so 😏

[dreamy dust]

loot bonus boons are so bad its not even funny
like the lootrun tomes give the same lootbonus 💀

[shut juniper]

lb boons are good as long as u have enough dmg and hp

[hollow pewter]

…..no

[dreamy dust]

me when 10% loot bonus vs 15 lq 🤯

[topaz jacinth]

I feel like after the hot fix, rainbow and orange beacon appear rate got lower quite a lot

Before the update, I get +30 challenge almost every run. But now it feels impossible even to go over 30 challenge because orange and rainbow are not spawning at all even after rerolls.

And for me, grey beacon also not appearing after 25 challenges, i believe it was capped at 30. When I am at challenge 26, have 5 beacon, and used 2 rerolls. No grey

[slow wyvern]

in the beginning of a run first 4 beacons have really high orange rates but it seems to fall off after those first few.

so its just unlucky if u dont get first oranges

the camps with only 10 chal just makes the run a hit or miss opposed to the 12 run camps

its kind of a luck check to keep you always guessing and on your toes.

rainbow seems rare today in rodo but maybe im tripping

[topaz jacinth]

I ran 6 Rodo runs today. And all of them were short runs because it's almost impossible to add challenge

I ran Sky for past the 2 weeks, 90% of those runs are with 4 missions and 100 challenges.

It is frustrating to start a run over and over

Short run rewards are so garbage, so you keep sacrificing the pulls