Sky Islands and Molten Heights Lootrun Feedback

[unreal badger]

there is something completely rigged with how beacons spawn and you can’t dent that

I also just realised at challenge 21 I took a vaqua stacked vorange and I’m now at challenge 36 with only 3 beacon choices

something is clearly not right

[shut juniper]

ss the choices of ur last turn and this turn
also the beacons u have took

[latent prairie]

Rodo mobs too strong
Silent Expanse is easier
Even if you take only a handful of purple beacons you will get overwhelmed

makes me wonder what build the testers were using

[royal charm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423579192819580930/1037517775859621958/Screenshot_20221024-0740322.gif

[latent prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-stare-cat-look-staring-cat-gif-2234218620804077902

[royal charm]

I disagree with you.

[latent prairie]

what build do u lr rodo w/?

[royal charm]

a shitty one i threw together on each class for testing

[latent prairie]

blue beacon spammer spotted

[royal charm]

my face when you stack curses, cant handle it, then say its too hard

[latent prairie]

.

i would argue 2 or 3 purple beacons to meet mission reqs isnt spamming

[royal charm]

sorry you feel that way, let me know if theres anything specific you can point to

[latent prairie]

pointing to something specific for the 2nd time agagagaa

[royal charm]

blue are you asking me to change purple beacons or every rodo mob

[latent prairie]

sooo specific

[latent prairie]

im not asking YOU anything this is feedback YOU did not make entire rodo lr 🤔 anyways im clearly wasting my time i will continue lring

[royal charm]

yes I did.

@latent prairie if you had trouble with any challenge in specific do let me know, i can compare stats w SE

[frozen matrix]

Blue I didn’t have much a problem lring rodroc on warp lightbender. But 2 of the challanges dmgs did feel way out scaled compared to everything else

[latent prairie]

northern challenge

tiny area to move around, lava + fire, invis mobs with shotguns and arrow storms
almost any number of curses makes that challenge extremely dangerous

[royal charm]

im assuming you mean the smoke slay challenge, and yeah the ashbelchers are pretty tough. that challenge is getting nerfed slightly next patch

[latent prairie]

green mobs in the frozen dragon slay challenge, they sometimes bug and fly to the ceiling and rain wide arrow storms which u cannot dodge

[frozen matrix]

^ the smoke slay one right? The mobs are little black things? Imo also the slay one in the ice with the big “ice dragon/horse” thing

[latent prairie]

ong

[royal charm]

thats intended behavior. if you dont kill them they will stick on the ceiling and harass you

[frozen matrix]

I feel like the horse dragon thing one shot me “way too much” when everything else was doing like 10%-25% of my health

[latent prairie]

mhm i get 1 shotted there at least once per lr

[frozen matrix]

Ik it’s something you can’t really control very well but I think one shot gameplay + the fact you guys won’t release the hitbox sizes/visualization to the playerbase is just garbage design.

[latent prairie]

dragon head cave can also be annoying but its more manageable than the smoke one in the northern region
and i can appreciate the new attacks those mobs in the dragon head cave have

[uncut crest]

Counterpoint:
Equilibrium

[frozen matrix]

Counter point even with equalib it still one shot me :).

[latent prairie]

counterpoint:
agreed but a silly notion to suggest nonetheless
what about players who arent in a stacked build lke me? u just gonna tell them "get this specific mission"

[royal charm]

Ill nerf the Drake a bit, but I know whats one shotting you, and its a telegraphed heavy explosion after its web spell. if you dont have -air/water def, it shouldnt 1-shot you if you're at full with a reasonable build

[latent prairie]

if you're at fulll.......... in a web

very curious to see these "random builds you slapped together" for testing

[frozen matrix]

Tealy this is with max agl and defense….

[royal charm]

just dont get webbed

[latent prairie]

🤯

[royal charm]

🙂

[uncut crest]

If you get equilibrium the run is piss easy
( example )

[latent prairie]

thanks for the corkus screenshot 👍

[mellow solstice]

this is true yeah

[latent prairie]

that entire lr has 0 challenges

[mellow solstice]

also this

[latent prairie]

for your average player who doesnt play wynn for horus and hours a day i would honestly go as far as to say rodoroc is like off limits for loot running

dont even bother - pick another camp

[frozen matrix]

Maybe make heavy explosions have a better telegraph, I’ve never noticed the “trigger” for it

[latent prairie]

^

i think that also stems from another problem which has nothing to do with any specific issue - wynn should rly tell u what attack kills u

[royal charm]

blue considering the amount of people ive seen lootrun rodo and do fine id say that you may have biased judgment

[frozen matrix]

See id much rather lr MH rather than sky or corkus oh god

[latent prairie]

oh mein gott i got 3 mythics from 1 lr yesterday in rodo im not saying its impossible
its just the only camp i actually notice increase in difficulty

[mellow solstice]

those two camps stand out a bit too much imo in terms of difficulty

[royal charm]

i didnt say its impossible, im saying you are wrong here

[latent prairie]

realest CT

[royal charm]

bless up

[mellow solstice]

yeah this is quite the statement. I wouldn't say that

[frozen matrix]

Tealy do u know who’s in charge of making changes to shaman? (Off topic sorry)

[royal charm]

if you mean like, abilities, @young basin

[latent prairie]

if a newbie asks me i will tell them to do another camp bc it will be much lower effort for same results reward-wise

[frozen matrix]

Ic ty

[latent prairie]

or ya know "get equilibrium 🤓"

[frozen matrix]

I agree I’d tell new player to lr lutho

[latent prairie]

"just dont take damage 🤓"

[royal charm]

just.. get boons?

[mellow solstice]

those two camps are terrible yeah, but I wouldn't say the whole mhh itself is not worth lootrunning

[waxen briar]

there is always the alternative to play with a more defense oriented build that has self sustain no?

[latent prairie]

my build has self sustain agagagagagag anywnays lr cooldown has ended i am off again

[mellow solstice]

this is defo not a fun mechanic

[frozen matrix]

^

[latent prairie]

i will take 50 blue beacons issok

[mellow solstice]

space is too closed, and too white at that. the particles that telegraph webs are also white and most of the time I don't even know why I couldn't move

[frozen matrix]

I’ve always thought web was a bad spell

[mellow solstice]

and then suddenly I get 100-0'd with an absolution build

[latent prairie]

the web isnt even the problem i lr rodo on mage i just tp out of it

I can see it being a problem for other classes

^ but they should just not take dmg duh
u can survive at full hp rember

[frozen matrix]

By this I mean some classes it doesn’t matter like mage tp and other classes it’s like ok ig I’ll just kill myself like archer

[mellow solstice]

I can see it being like, a challenge that mobile builds can easily take on considering the water and air damage it deals

[royal charm]

permafrost drake has 1 spell combo where it uses web. its also the only combo it has where it uses pull.
it goes pull > web > pause > explosion > explosion
if it pulls you, its to stimulate you to start moving. if you dont, you'll be caught in the web. If you are, you'll have less time to get away after the pause when it will explode

[mellow solstice]

that is unless you get stuck on the pillar in the middle then suddenly the web is even worse than it used to

[frozen matrix]

The prob with explosion spell is when I’m charge spamming I don’t see the indicator so unless I memorized the spell cycle of every single mob I’m just kinda fucked

[mellow solstice]

I get what kinda counterplay it's trying to make players do, but the arena itself makes it frustrating instead of fun

[mellow solstice]

consider these

[royal charm]

ill see what I can do. I dont really wanna remove web spell from it as its one of its only dangerous spell combos. most of the time besides its casting low dmg wave or flying around

[frozen matrix]

Plz just better visual indicators

[mellow solstice]

yeah I don't mind the web spell being kept. just make it easier to move around in the arena

[royal charm]

agreed

[mellow solstice]

definitely this

but yes thank u for hearing us out Tealy 🙏

[royal charm]

tbh i have never had much issue in that arena. you can even get it stuck behind the pillars p easily

[frozen matrix]

No tealy is the worst Ct ever I can’t believe it

[latent prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bailando-niño-morocho-gif-20943266

[royal charm]

the playerzone isnt restrictive, assuming you're able to kill the other mobs around you should have plenty of room to not get stuck

[latent prairie]

bro just reacted himself

[mellow solstice]

oh yeah most of the time it's just me and the boss. since shaman just instakills the minions

the arena still makes the combo a bit too dangerous imo. and like, letting the enemy be stuck in the pillar is not a playstyle I wanna really uhh. condone

[royal charm]

blue please grow up

[latent prairie]

i mean u agreed with the specific points i made so i stand by this as a W

[latent prairie]

*we made ^

[royal charm]

i hope you mature one day

[frozen matrix]

I think u came over as slightly “over harsh?” And then made more sense talking about the specific camps instead of MH as a whole (imo)

[latent prairie]

i mean he just kept calling me wrong but then agreeing with the exact same things when others said it soooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-stare-stare-wtf-whatever-gif-25183190

[frozen matrix]

Although tealy I do think the defend camps are semi boring, a way to speed them up would be “interesting” maybe

[mellow solstice]

y'all would need to cool off if y'all want a productive conversation

otherwise y'all would just diss on each other for no reason

[frozen matrix]

I just took the whole “tell new players it’s not worth the time” to be slightly over critical when it breaks down to 2 camps having problems. For me I still have major problems with bone dragon in lutho but I just deal with it

[frozen matrix]

Oh to go back to defend. That one defend with the 20 archers and the mining drill thing that can stun lock you, I both like this camp but also think the archers are so far away it ends up not being worth it to kill them and instead just stand to the side so you tank all their arrows and just wait

[mellow solstice]

oh about this btw. I love the low ceiling. I just want the pillar to be thinner so players can still escape the web if they ever get webbed near it

[frozen matrix]

More defend, the defends with just the bone sticking out of the ground by the lava. For me this one is just “boring and easy” it ending up being the spot I “afk” at the most

For me this all stems for the fact as long as the thing “survives” what I do doesn’t matter, there’s nothing I can do “to make it better/faster” so I end up doing bare minimum and basically afk nothing

(Sorry to overtake the conversation)

[mellow solstice]

ngl defend challenges feel like survive challenges

I love the new defend challenge mobs though. those that are hard to kill and steamroll you n shiii. they're so unique to the game i love them

[unreal badger]

they blocked me bc i didn’t want to buy their Minecraft weapon a few years ago and harass me here and there when I chat because my messages are blocked :) I am a little sad to see that there are such pathetic people but maybe their life is just sad since they complain about everything

anyways, rodo is easily my favorite camp, not sure what they’re taking. It’s the rest of the camps that are problematic (SE is mostly fine)

the mobs, with the exception of very few challenges are not really so annoying

and traversing in rodo is easily the easiest in any of the camps

the design of other camps compared to rodo is so poor and I’m sad because I want to have variety but it’s kinda impossible considering how terrible it is to play the other camps

[latent prairie]

i dont even remember u but u certainly do

[frosty bough]

why is molten heights cooldown so long

[frozen matrix]

R they not all the same time? 10 mins?

[undone pagoda]

15 all now i think?

[waxen briar]

cringe

[frozen matrix]

CRINGE OMFG

[waxen briar]

cant reset after my first 2 missions being trash

[unreal badger]

another god run killed because of orange bug this time got materialism, critual then gbeast with rainbow early and literally 0 oranges whole run

[waxen briar]

what do you need oranges for..?

[unreal badger]

greens??

[waxen briar]

im sure u can get enough time even with 3 choices assuming you didnt just finish gbeast too early

[unreal badger]

i got a few rrs and eventually gbeast didn't take anyting and i stopped getting greens then when it got too close even critual couldnt save me

[unreal badger]

ah this isnt pinned anymore but if tealys still watching this is my last hope since im basically all in on my old dp already

for mh

• excavator defense mission: the excavator's hp is absurdly scaled compared to the rest of the mobs, they all have like ~50k hp while he has 1mil at the start. i get hes supposed to harass you and be annoying but the health should be reduced. besides that, hes so big yet his actual hitbox seems to be pretty small? that should be improved as well
• "outside mh" slay mission: the glowing boss in the 4th phase has kind of a small hitbox compared to how big he is. also his AI is.. very questioning to say the least, he just wanders around and occasionally 180's you when he feels like it??. other than the boss, the ring should be a little reduced since the area is really big and it would be nicer for most spells that have little aoe
• dragon spelunk: last guy is extremely unfun.. if hes going to have a billion abilities atleast reduce his health. rest are fine
• little black guys that have 4 waves slay mission .. idk whats it called, its below the little priest at the top, and after the defense mission below it, a little above further. the black guys spawn all over the place sometimes spawning in lava, or outside the ring.. which makes it really annoying to fight against them considering they also just teleport (i think) whenever they feel like it

for beacons:

please fix the beacon consistency, sometimes beacons are just randomly removed, this is when you pick orange beacons, earlier today i picked a vaquastacked vorange at chal 21 and by chal 30something i only had 3 chal again
fix grays not appearing past chal ~20
fix oranges just refusing to appear for 30+ challenges

for the rest: idt theres anything tealy can do on his own to fix the traversing and balancing issue within classes so for me im just going to stay with MH since its the only normal one and clearly balancing the other ones would just be "too much devtime" so

[inner flicker]

Yeah those little nightmares are a pain. And also disable player effects in chest animation
https://youtu.be/Z7rM2dx9w0M

Couldn't find the last dude.

[covert cosmos]

oh shoot, I just remembered that the chests where reset

[covert cosmos]

also that mission is a real pain sometimes, even as shaman I can't find the last one either but usually I throw my totem off that small ledge and kill it down there

[inner flicker]

Peak challenge design

[dreamy dust]

frrr thats what ive been saying for the little black mobs, think it will get chaanged a little bit alr tho
also the outside mh slay boss ai is so jank he doe snot want to follow me i shoud use strobelight just to get himt o aggro to me

also i think si is fine and oranges not appearing for 30+ challenges isnt rly something ive noticed in the few runs ive done so far

[dreamy dust]

bruh my 180 sacrsfices from last week didnt transfer over

[covert cosmos]

I feel bad brother

[frozen matrix]

I keep crashing when I lr, is wynntils updated yet or no?

[royal charm]

no

[frozen matrix]

Ah, I hate having to play on vanilla is so annoying

[cerulean oxide]

I’m guessing because no map?

I play without Wynntils

[frozen matrix]

Macros, map, trade mark stuff, item %, some other stuff

[undone pagoda]

Quest book that doesn't cause eyebleed

[uncut crest]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[frozen matrix]

Specific the “guides” are really nice like the item guides

[slow wyvern]

i lootrun corkus and i noticed the bugs with the avos animation totem still isnt fixed.

i had to kill it 3 times for it to open and stay open

its pull attack pulled me out of the radius after it had died @royal charm is there plans to fix this part of the bug at the least?

also any news about the sky portal lootrun ending bug with the beacons not appearing?

[shut juniper]

well that bug is kind of "fixed" with lower chance to happen but still possible
and 3 times actually kind of unlucky

before the fix there's like u need to kill it 3-4 times everytime

[slow wyvern]

alright im gonna lr corkus today nice warps

[unreal badger]

have fun if you can

[waxen briar]

btw when did equilibrium and cleansing ritual became the rarest fucking thing in the game

i remember in hero beta they actualy existed

like those 2 missions are rarer than mythics

or atleast getting them together is rarer than a mythic

shit im using the wrong thread again

[unreal badger]

ive gotten more gbeast than critual and more critual and gbeast combined than equilibrium

labling them as colors is such a joke when they are so blatantly rigged, idk why tealy said that the colors indicate how rare they are because clearly thats absoolutely not the case

equilibrium is the rarest mission in the game

[waxen briar]

ive done about 40-50 lootruns and i got equilibrium + cleansing ONCE

and i think equilibrium twice total

[unreal badger]

yea its a joke

good thing equilibrium isnt needed anymore

[waxen briar]

i cant believe lootruns became even more rng dependant somehow

[unreal badger]

yup, they are massively dependent on rng, and if your lootrun gets bugged or not

you are either getting fucked by rng or youre gettng fucked by bugs lol

[waxen briar]

i havent had a buged run cuz ive only had one actual lootrun lol
every other run i just end after my 4th mission cuz everything is hot garbage and not worth wasting time over

[unreal badger]

yeah thats what i do unless i get critual and redemption

u get redemption in basically every run so its only critual to worry about

sometimes i wonder if the CT test updates

hero beta was supposed to do that but they let live get a bunch of bugs from beta so what even was the point if the beta only exists for 6 days

(and no good balance changes were implemented..)

i think tealy is gonna focus on the wynncraft event until its done and maybe then there will be fixes but that will hapen in a llong time

[waxen briar]

you mean salted? and no he doesnt test shit, he releases a major changelog and pushes it to live 20 hours later

[unreal badger]

i mean i guess its salted but i'd assume the CT would atleast be testing..

[waxen briar]

how can they if salted only leaves shit in hero beta for 20 hours..

[inner flicker]

Done like 20 and got gbeast once, cleansing ritual pretty often (like 50%) and equilibrium like twice

[unreal badger]

a rough estimate of 50% on critual is crazy considering ive got gbeast more than critual

[unreal badger]

yeah idk why beta was only up for 6 days if it didnt even fix the important bugs its just weird asf

[inner flicker]

[unreal badger]

but otherwise this channel wasnt really used for lootruns? i mostly saw tealy just talking about mobs and boons

[waxen briar]

and yeah thats a massive joke, inner peace is also purple but it appears almost every time

[unreal badger]

or wait not this channel, the #hero_beta one

[frozen matrix]

^ lring went from “boring” to “annoying”

[unreal badger]

ult sac and redemption are red and appear every run lol

[frozen matrix]

^

[waxen briar]

wouldnt red be fabled while purple mythic ?

[unreal badger]

anyways i posted my opinions

[unreal badger]

that'd make some sense maybe.. though gbeast is clearly far better than anything in terms of rewards so i'd assume its just highest tier

[inner flicker]

Gbeast is red?

[unreal badger]

i dont konw if anything will be done and some of the deeper issues cant really be fixed unless they actually care about balance so

[unreal badger]

it is

[inner flicker]

Hmm

[waxen briar]

everything is just a repeat of 2.0.3.. they release lootruns, its all fun but unbalanced cuz too many mythics and then they make it super unfun in order to reduce mythics

[inner flicker]

Ult sac and redemption are guaranteed it feels like

[waxen briar]

yep ult sac redemtpion and inner peace are like almost 100% chance to appear atleast once per lootrun each

[unreal badger]

idk theres no one really talkin to us and this got unpinned . plus salted pretty much said that was the goal, and tealy backed it up soo..

[inner flicker]

What if the non grey beacon mission (the 4th challenge one) gives you the option for every mission?

Like ya can choose whatever (equilibrium or gbeast every time

[waxen briar]

ofc if salted says the lootruns are fine then they are, what does it matter if the players think otherwise

[unreal badger]

i dont think missions are unfun theyre just terribly balanced in pretty much every aspect.

a reward from mission could either make or break your run, so you'd usually run until mission 4 and if you get unlucky trash then you force quit

and a mission could either:

1. take 1 minute to complete
2. take 2.5 minutes to complete
3. take 10-15 minutes to complete
4. be able to be dragged for the whole run until whenever you want

There is no inbetween, theres no middle range, there's no variety, and there's definitely no balance

[frozen matrix]

I think ult sac is generally so fucking annoying I swear it prioritized health so if u don’t have equalib ur just fucked

[frozen matrix]

BIGGEST FUCKING REAL EVER

[waxen briar]

im alredy convinced salted doesnt judge an update by the player's opinion but rather server statistics like playtime, store purchases etc

[frozen matrix]

also real on god

[unreal badger]

giving 3 choices of what are supposed to be “rare” or “more rewarding” missions that are terribly balanced is like asking a player “if you found 1 emerald, 1 eb and 1le in a chest, and you could only pick one, which one would you pick?”

[violet hamlet]

very good example

materialism is the most balanced and fun imo
if every mission was something similar to materialism balance-wise, i think it would work pretty well

what if only certain missions were available depending on which one it was

like the missions you get after the 4th challenge would be limited to just a few missions that aren't that good, like backup beat, but the ones you get from like the final grey beacon would have really strong missions like equilibrium and cleansing ritual
or maybe it would scale the other way around idrk

[frozen matrix]

Idk I still like my idea, change d grey to be one time buff challanges like rr or sac have grey have perm buff like materialism or x2 boons. Add more challenges overall. Have more synergies so you don’t feel like the run is a flop because you didn’t get a specific 2 challenges out of the pool of like 11

[violet hamlet]

yeah i agree with changing dark grey to be something else
it's boring and since normal grey is missions, i think dark grey should be something else

maybe dark grey would be like twice as rare and you could choose 2 missions instead of one

[frozen matrix]

That or like a “corrupt” mission but I’m not sure what that would look like

[violet hamlet]

yeah might be interesting

[unborn vault]

Wait, was that so? I thought they were general categories missions were put in, in reference to the associated beacon color.
Green gives QoL
Purple mitigates curses
Red sacrifices stuff for better loot
So on and so on

[dreamy dust]

dgrey rrs a mission

[frozen matrix]

Ngl I was thinking about mission rr the other day

[astral moss]

Highlight attack/defend targets - when there are a lot of mobs, it is nearly impossible to find the thing you should attack/defend.
also, on slay waves, if there is only 1 or 2 mobs left, maybe highlight them? I have ahd to spend way too long hunting for the last mob that counts, especially when the 'arena' spawns its own mobs, that don't count towards slayed mobs.

[frozen matrix]

^this especally when they wanna hide in the trees in lutho

[dreamy dust]

me w hen speed curse and si skyraider challenge
mabye u can just apply when the mob hasnt been attacked in like 5 or 10 seconds

[vagrant berry]

yeah some of the skyraider slay mobs really like to get caught in some weird out of sight spots

[frozen matrix]

Ngl how I currently feel with the new lr update. Tldr 100 challange cap feels really lame to me, 11 challanges from greys and only 4 of them matter make it rng hell. With 4 loot pools I’m worried mythics are gonna be way more common you won’t have to wait “weeks” for certain mythics to show up. I like the idea of the cork amp stuff but there needs to be way more “chase” items/consumables. FFS lower the priority on tomes in the chest pool/let players choose their own priority, I hate having half my chest fill with tomes that don’t matter at all after the 2nd one Ngl. Make D grey actually matter now it currently only has like 2 niche uses with cleanse and equilibrium. I feel whites are semi irrelevant but sometimes it’s nice to get 30 challanges where u don’t have to think but it also is annoying cause of some of the time requirements for challenges. I’m ranting so I’ll stop but eek

[uncut crest]

D gray literally just give you a bunch of purple beacons at the cost of only 1 challenge and the amount of time it takes you to do that challenge

Also better if you have equilibrium
( which you said but spamming aqua beacon with rainbow and doing purple with equilibrium is so fucking broken )

[waxen briar]

yeah its utterly broken but equilibrium being so extremely rare that you only see it once in a blue moon is just absurd

[hollow pewter]

picture not even remotely true

as an overwatch player i have actual experience with games like those

[dense orchid]

11 challanges from greys and only 4 of them matter make it rng hell
I’m worried mythics are gonna be way more common

[fading pond]

I think I've realized the main concern with the new system as it currently is. I think missions as a way to break up and differentiate runs is fine, but I think that missions on their own are trying to do too much. With missions you have to choose between taking character buffs (unique boons that you can't just get from blues, pretty cool) and reward buffs (things that make end chest go brr). Only being able to choose one of them at the cost of the other is where the friction lies imo. You can either buff your character with stasis, crit, equal, backup, etc. and basically get like no chance of good pulls from the chest, or buff your chest and get the good 5+rr 2 sac pulls but struggle hard the whole run because you can't scale as well as enemies without specifically equilibrium (I think that personally, crit equilibrium is fine and fun but I'd also agree it's a bit too rare to assemble rn).
I think that run buffs and reward buffs need to be separated. Some thoughts I had were:
-Rework regular grey to be a character buffer mission while reworking dark grey to be a reward buffer mission, and/or
-Make reward buffs innate to runs and remove the rng element of getting them entirely. Say, every 10 challenges completed nets you a chest reroll and every 25 challenges nets you a sacrifice

[violet hamlet]

i like these ideas a lot
more guaranteed stuff, less rng, and something cool for dark gray

[unreal badger]

absolutely not

im not doing 2 hour runs every single time for 100 challenges in order to get 10 rr

even 50 challenges for 5 rr is a joke

[violet hamlet]

rerolls are OP af though
seems pretty balanced to me

[fading pond]

Numbers on their own can always be tweaked, I'm just talking about ways in which the current system could be changed to be more enjoyable

[shut juniper]

plz dont force people to do long run it is terrible

[waxen briar]

this is one of many things that anoy me almost every lootrun
gee i sure love getting a "get boons" or "get curses" mission AND THEN NOT GETTING A BLUE/PURPLE OR EVEN ORANGE FOR 10 CHALLENGES IN A ROW

[shut juniper]

tbh i dont know why they add rarity to mission

[fading pond]

I'd agree, that's also a bit of a quip I have with missions. Chests is always easy, you can almost always knock those out before even starting a challenge, but 3 boons??? Seriously?
I'd like a silent system that prioritizes, say, getting blue beacons offered if you have a boons mission, etc etc

[waxen briar]

i just dont get how lootruns managed to become even more rng dependant than 2.0.3

[shut juniper]

it is so fun that everyone saying 2.0.4 less rng

when u can literally get in the beta and do a run and find that's not true

[waxen briar]

the beta had less rng than live right now

equilibrium for example wasnt the rarest thing in the game

they just randomly made equilibrium super rare out of nowhere on release
(or im blind and missed a patch note)

[shut juniper]

even though in beta equilibrium have probably the same rate u still need rng to do a run

and they nerf it to make it even more rng

[waxen briar]

NO WAY IM FINALY GONA COMPLETE MY FIRST MISSION!!!

it only took 11 challenges

[shut juniper]

last time it took me 20 challs to get 2blue with 3 choices

[waxen briar]

🔥

[shut juniper]

only 2 blue and 0 orange during that mission

i m not even skipping them they just dont appear

[waxen briar]

and now i gota reroll past a grey cuz 15/16 😭

[shut juniper]

suddenly no more grey

[waxen briar]

nvm i straight up got no red or white 🫡

[shut juniper]

even u have red or white u should end it

[waxen briar]

yeah its too late to get all 3 grey beacons anyway

[shut juniper]

btw have u done any disco run in 2.0.3 and 2.0.4?

[waxen briar]

no why would i

[shut juniper]

it took me like 2000 dry to get a box in 2.0.4

idk if this is just unlucky or smth changed

[waxen briar]

i'd die at every corner if i used disco

i got like 3 mythics from normal chests within 500 chests at the start of 2.0.4 without any lb/lq

[shut juniper]

are u sure they are all normal chest?

[waxen briar]

well by normal chest i just mean not the end reward chest

[shut juniper]

i have 2000 dry and 0 box with my disco then i fked my disco and change to normal build and got a box in 2 runs

[waxen briar]

besides if u wana go for lb/lq materialism run just use equilibrium + cleansing ritual (that combo is rarer than a shiny mythic)

[shut juniper]

i guess i will never use disco unless i m doing materialism run(which is not worth it with 4 pool)

[slow wyvern]

i get cleansing ritual every other run stack the aqua into it baby

its not that rare

[shut juniper]

stack aqua into ritual?

are u smoking bro

[fading pond]

He's talking aqua into grey

[waxen briar]

equilibrium is the rare one

and you cant always stack aqua into grey 🤯

[shut juniper]

u can if u have enough orange and try to skip them

[waxen briar]

yeah i can 100% afford the luxury of skiping a grey when the first mission takes 11 challenges to complete

[shut juniper]

xx end rewards is the most stupid objective

especially grey can disappear later in run now

[waxen briar]

i had to take a dark grey for that mf earlier 💀

[shut juniper]

+6 enemy resis

[waxen briar]

😢

[shut juniper]

[waxen briar]

rng diffed

[shut juniper]

at least ur defend target cant die anymore

[waxen briar]

yeah but i cant sit in a safe spot either like before

[inner flicker]

Two missions for rewards two for combat. Seems right. Though the challenge 4 missions could be exclusive.

[frozen matrix]

Grey challenges just suck in general rn. If they are trying to make lring more “rougue like” have 4 “items” = “g challenge” the run is “set” and boring af by challange 30 cause of limits on greys. Imo increase the amount of challanges u can take drastically and make them less powerful, of course you can keep the “rare” powerful ones in still but having my run “set” by challange 25 cause I got fucked over by rng isnt fun at all imo.

I fucking hate “setting up” and good run only for ult sac to eat my health boon first and destroy my entire run even tho I literally have equaliberium. Ult sac SUCKS so fucking much I swear it prioritizes health boons/lightbender boons which are the “strong” ones

[frozen matrix]

Maybe bias but like out of the 8+ times I’ve gotten it, it’s way to early in the run and it actually just fucks me over and steals the 1 boon I NEED even tho I have like 14 others I could have taken

[shut juniper]

wdym steals ur boon?

[frozen matrix]

I feel the same for gambling beasts even tho I’ve never even seen it yet. Forcing players to take “challanges” that actively harm the run at challange 20 or 30 is WAY TO EARLY the play has had no time to properly set up a run and those thing will just kill u so fast

Ult sac, takes a boon every 2 mins?

[shut juniper]

how can u just let it take ur boons?

did u take too many red or green?

[frozen matrix]

? Have u done any of the new lring

[unborn vault]

If you're consistently starting and finishing challenges, it shouldn't end up getting the time to take a boon

[shut juniper]

yes

[frozen matrix]

Also awua green doesn’t do shit, having 30+ mins and white time still doesn’t stop it from eating ur boon

[shut juniper]

u should NOT take any red or green that give u over 15mins if u want to do ult sac

u need to keep ur time in about 15mins or less

[frozen matrix]

Or ur gonna make me /kill 20 times cause the white 15 min cap is stupid as fuck now

That’s dumb as shit

[shut juniper]

why are u stacking time like that????

[frozen matrix]

Cause when I read the description I assumed adding +6 min would add + 6 min to the ult sac timer

[shut juniper]

no that's not how it works

[frozen matrix]

Shit is not detailed enough

[shut juniper]

so u knew it now right?

[frozen matrix]

Especially if it has the power to fucj over ur runs

Well I kinda figured it out after it fucked me over

Doesn’t make it good design at all

It’s dumb af

[shut juniper]

dont expect too many detailed in wynn
they dont even have detail patch notes and bugfix

just dont do the same thing next time

[frozen matrix]

Except this shit is so badly designed I don’t want there to be a next time. I’m so burnt out on this shitty ass system

[shut juniper]

well if u dont want to lr anymore that's fine
but if u still want to lr i hope u be careful about "where the fk is my 3rd grey"

[frozen matrix]

Not really, I went from lr like 20+ hrs consistently every week to not at all…

Imo that’s a massive problem. Having lring be way more “shitty and annoying” needs to change

[frozen matrix]

“Losing” good runs to “learning” feels even fucking worse now cause a failed run is like 40 pulls and 2 rr instead of like 70 p and 6 rr. It just sucks honestly

Also “bump” the tome thing. Why the fuck is half my chest tomes I don’t fucking want

For the love of god let players choose their own priority when it comes to reward chest

[shut juniper]

u can try to learn in beta next time

[frozen matrix]

Spent 12+ hours on the beta already 👎

When they put changes on the beta for 1 day then release it 👎

[waxen briar]

its fine ive only gone over 60 lootruns without getting a single proper run

[waxen briar]

and hero beta was completely different than live

in hero beta it was actualy kinda fun to lootrun cuz you actualy got the missions you wanted every now and then

now lootruning is so god damn dog shit that even with a shiny warp in the pool i cant bring myself to lootrun as much as i'd like to

[unreal badger]

they should just not release hero betas because this one was a joke

really just a laughable joke

[waxen briar]

nah bro its fine! we had a grand total of 20 hours to test the latest changes (i was asleep and at work for like 16 of those hours)

[frozen matrix]

Real^

[unborn vault]

The people joking that they might only run corkus if it has shiny warp/idol and...

[frozen matrix]

This is legit so fucking real. I did 3 corkus lr before I had a “shit run” and decided it’s just not worth it

[unborn vault]

do not mind the part where I got a shiny warp yesterday
and I don't know about everyone else, but it's really felt like GBeast is the rare mission for me
equillibrium and cleansing show up as they please, but woe upon me that I'd try to get more than 3 rerolls from a single run

[frozen matrix]

Never seen GB now out side of the beta

[violet hamlet]

i get gambling beast all the time but no equil

[inner flicker]

there is two sides:
gbeast
equilibrium cleansing
choose one

[violet hamlet]

gotta be equilibrium cleansing for me

[inland flame]

Equil more rare than mythic

[shut juniper]

beta is different but i guess u can still learn how those mission works? like how u dont know the way ult sacrifice's time counted?

[frosty bough]

how is ult sacrifice time counted

[shut juniper]

the timer refresh everytime u get higher time

so if u take red cant get time u probably will lose a boon
or if u take green and it gave u too much time like over 15mins to 17-18 mins u need to keep taking green to refresh the timer

and i dont suggest u to keep taking green unless u are preparing for gb at the same time

also the cost from gambling can only lose 1 boon from ult sacri everytime it triggers so equilibrium can outrun the ult sacri and gb combo (still not recommend tho)

[frozen matrix]

Nope getting +1 sec from white over 15 min doesn’t “refresh” the 2 mins….

[shut juniper]

did u get a higher time? nope

or maybe i should say the "highest" time

[frozen matrix]

Getting + 1 seconds should increase the timer and “reset” ult sac timer but it doesn’t

[shut juniper]

that's not how it works

[frozen matrix]

It only adds 1 s to the 2 min timer that ult sac is ticking down

[shut juniper]

yes that's how

[frozen matrix]

But getting + 6 mins only adds +2 and not the extra +4 which is dumb af to me

Why punish people for aqua green

[shut juniper]

ask the designer

[frozen matrix]

Ya Ult sac just sucks ass imo

Unless u have equalib, it’s just fucking terrible

[shut juniper]

just dont take aqua green and everything is fine

if u really try to get aqua green when u have ult sacri then good luck or taking green within every 2mins

[frozen matrix]

Or having to /kill in-between every single white challenge. It’s just a shot designed challenge

It’s not just “oh ez fix” it’s fucking dumb as fuck imo

[shut juniper]

why dont u just dont take aqua green or take ult sacri as the last mission?

are u trying to preparing for future gb?

[frozen matrix]

Cause one ur asking for good rng. 2 “last challenge” is at fucking 20-25 it’s way to early in the run to be able to deal with “important” boons being stolen liek health

I don’t want to be capped at 15 minutes that shit scared me when u start losing ur dmg and it takes 2-3 mins to finish a challenge

[shut juniper]

ult sacri is not that rare u dont need good rng, also grey can appear in 34

[frozen matrix]

15 minute cap is now a trash design with so much stuff relying on time

Until they confirm grey shit I assume it’s pretty much gone after 25

[shut juniper]

u still have enough time to do the challenge when u took 2-3mins to finish tho?

[frozen matrix]

Ya but get unlucky a single time and ur green doesn’t spawn and ur ducked

[shut juniper]

grey do disappear at some point but i got my 3rd grey in one game somehow

[frozen matrix]

Again everything your talking about relying on perfect rng just isn’t reality

[shut juniper]

that's the most late grey i ever seen

[shut juniper]

i have never talking about anything relying on perfect rng

we are not talking about ritual equili stasis and good objective gb

[frozen matrix]

If greys appeared at challange 70 I’d have no issue waiting to take ult sac but since they force you to take greys instantly it’s just trash currently

[shut juniper]

so u are taking ult sacri when u doing long run?

[frozen matrix]

Yes I’m trying to stack sac like 3-4x then go for GB theoretically

[shut juniper]

actually i dont know why u need like 2-3 mins to finish a challenge

what's ur build and archetype

[frozen matrix]

Cause some classes dmg don’t scale like crazy. Shaman oly acolyte. And warp lightbender

Warp light bender I just get fucked if it steals my health boon after 30. Shaman is slow and gets fucked if I lose dmg

[shut juniper]

now that's the fun part, i never play anything outside of lbender warp

[frozen matrix]

Ya wtf if it takes ur health ur just fucked

[shut juniper]

why are u letting ult sacri taking ur boons at first?

[frozen matrix]

I actually lost a equitib run cause it stole all of my health and I couldn’t do anything

Cause I’m not getting perfect rng with greens, I still have to take reds and blues and certain points

[shut juniper]

for example u have 15mins cap now and u have ult sacri

then get in a challenge give u 1-2 mins depends on region

so u only need to finish the challenge within 2 mins?

and finish the challenge give u 2 mins again back to cap

why u need to take green?

[frozen matrix]

Ok again that’s in the perfect scenario u have white challanges and under 15 mins

What do u do when u have to take reds

[shut juniper]

why u need to take red?

[frozen matrix]

What do u do when u aren’t powerful enough and need more boons

[frozen matrix]

To get more challanges…..

[shut juniper]

if u take red when u have ult sacri and no equili u are trolling

[frozen matrix]

Ya I love doing 40 p runs cause only did white challanges. That sounds dumb as hell

You don’t just start with 100 challenges? Like what

[shut juniper]

or u can get ritual to get infinite white challenge if u really want to do a long run

i dont think there's any people will do long run with only red

[frozen matrix]

Yay I love relying on perfect rng

Materialism….

[shut juniper]

oh yeah now only get a ritual is perfect rng?

[frozen matrix]

25% chance basically

So ya you can’t get it every run so you can’t “just rely on it”

[shut juniper]

then just reset the run????

[frozen matrix]

And lose previous sac?

[shut juniper]

u can just take 2 sacri and end the run to save part of the sacri

[frozen matrix]

The more “solution” you give the dumber u sound to me

[frozen matrix]

Going from +300-400 pulls to +80-100 is dumb as hell etf

[shut juniper]

u only do long run when u have ritual or equili, if they dont appear just take those 2 sacri

[frozen matrix]

Yes I love wasting 6+ hours sacking 7 runs for 100+ effective pulls by the end

I’m legit face palming

[shut juniper]

ok first idk why u need to stack that much sacri but it is fine if u want to get shiny
second even 2sacri can let ur pulls go from +300-400 to +225-300

[frozen matrix]

So ur wasting 30min-45min to -100 effective pulls

Like bruh

[shut juniper]

wdym by wasting time?

u can rr before sacrifice

usually u will get a mythic before stacked to that much of sacrifice unless u dont like every mythic

[frozen matrix]

It takes like 30 fucking minutes to see all 4 challenges before u “reset” that’s wasted time and ur loses effective “sac” at that point if ur ending with like only 40+ pulls

Rr 8 mythics the other day trying to get a warp

[shut juniper]

lol u are trolling

can u tell me what mythic u want? only warp?

[frozen matrix]

Idk I pretty much got everything I wanted before this updated I use to religiously do +2 hour god runs almost every day and like 3 god runs on the weekend with the old system. Cata might be cool. I think shinys are lame and need to be redesigned. There needs to be more “chase items”

[shut juniper]

because 2.0.3 lr is too op

[frozen matrix]

^

I don’t mind lring being “worse” I just think it went from “boring” to just fucking “annoying” now

[shut juniper]

and they try to nerf it
if u want a rewards like 2.0.3 i can tell u this is impossible that's not what they want to do

[shut juniper]

if u dont want to get annoyed by it u should do short run instead of the 100% nerfed long run

[frozen matrix]

Not what I want either I’ve been on the side to reduce mythic % chance let ppl have fun with insane amount of pulls and rr. It let’s target farming other items be more viable.

[frozen matrix]

It’s not fun for me. The worst part about lring is starting. That’s why I like long lrs

[shut juniper]

they dont want to make long run good tho so good luck

[frozen matrix]

I fucking hate doing the first 6-13 challanges

It’s so fuckinf boring and if u don’t get good boons fast it just feels shitty

[shut juniper]

tbh u dont even need boons for the first 6-13 challenges

especially if u are lring in corkus

[frozen matrix]

Ya but you need them for later on and you don’t have time to be taking them at that later point

[shut juniper]

actually how u do ur long run?

did u just try to stack sacri as much as possible then try to get gb next run?

[frozen matrix]

Blue x4-6 red 2x react to grey challenge. Rainbow. Aqua red aqua green blue or purple react to grey repeat

[inner flicker]

just get equilibrium and spam vaqua vpurple

[shut juniper]

i am not talking about how u take the beacons

[frozen matrix]

Basically pray for equalib and shoot myself if not

[inner flicker]

equilibrium cleansing then rr or sac missions

[frozen matrix]

^

[shut juniper]

so u pray for equili every run?

[inner flicker]

ya can get up to 400 pulls

[frozen matrix]

Ya why tf wouldn’t I

[inner flicker]

with equilibrium

[shut juniper]

yeah ofc u want but that's probably will never happen

[frozen matrix]

Since Ct still won’t say the details around sac I don’t want to reset runs and waste them

[shut juniper]

what details u want to know?

[inner flicker]

i got 376p 1 sac run

[shut juniper]

but is that happening every run?

[inner flicker]

no

[frozen matrix]

Does it transfer for class to class, where is the number at the end, does it trigger from camp to camp or is it specific to the camp u sac on. Tell me the number at the start of my run so I know how much I’m “wasting” if I reset

[shut juniper]

he want to keep his sacri up or the same every run

[inner flicker]

i can tell each has dif sacs

camps

idk bout classes

[shut juniper]

it is not from camp to camp but idk if it transfer class to class

[frozen matrix]

I don’t want to try to stack sac 3x and get fucked over in the middle. I don’t need to get it every run but even a single run getting “fucked” it’s extra fucked cause of sac

[shut juniper]

that's why i only do short runs now

[inner flicker]

isnt 2x sac max? or you mean runs

[frozen matrix]

I mean runs

[shut juniper]

if u still want to do sacrifice long run in 2.0.4 u should prepare about the worst rng

[frozen matrix]

Like do 3 sac runs in a row to stack them

[inner flicker]

i still have this

[shut juniper]

tbh that's better to do in short runs

[frozen matrix]

YAY I LOVE FUCKING OVER LONG RUNS SO I HAVE TO EFFECTLY LR 2X LONGER CAUSE THE GAME WANTS ME TO RESET A BUNCH

that’s dumb af to me

[shut juniper]

i dont like the 2.0.4 lr too but i m trying to adapt it

[inner flicker]

gonna try to get gbeast

[shut juniper]

because they never listen

[frozen matrix]

Ya I fucking hate it

In its current form

Like force you to speedrun greys and annoying ass anti camp shit for the majority of classes mixed with the dmg scaling on a few of the camps still be stupid af and just one shotting you when nothing else come even close. It’s all just ass

[shut juniper]

all i can tell is dont do sacri long run right now or u will meet the pain

[inner flicker]

im gonna

[frozen matrix]

All I can tell u is don’t lr rn

Simple

[shut juniper]

yeah my lr amount decreased a lot

[frozen matrix]

Wait for EVERYSINGLE CT to stop being distracted constantly updating a limited time event and actually focus on content that is going to maybe matter 1+ year later

Lowkey like I think the event is super cool but I’m kinda really irritated how much attention it’s getting when so many other parts of Wynn just get fucking neglected for years

[shut juniper]

all i know is tealy responsible to the challenge and mission so idk if ct can really do anything about it

[frozen matrix]

I don’t understand how they can make a whole ass mini game random ass shit like half changing forgery but for some reason other stuff is “off limits”

Ik I can’t see behind the scenes but it just feels like such a fucking cop out sometimes

[royal charm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/423579192819580930/1037517775859621958/Screenshot_20221024-0740322.gif

[unreal badger]

they don’t have a choice

salted commands and they obey 🫡

[shut juniper]

@royal charm when will we have the next lr hotfix

[unreal badger]

but really it’s not up to them to decide lol

[shut juniper]

i dont want people keep fk the dbd

[unreal badger]

dbd?

[shut juniper]

basically btb but original version

[unreal badger]

btb?

[shut juniper]

the minigame

[frozen matrix]

I mean can u blame me for how I feel? The event ends in less than like 20 days. We still have garbage 3rd room tna. Forgery is still half finished. Tcc is always been a buggy ass mess. You know my overwhelming thoughts about lring already.

That’s just like the very surface of it aswell

[shut juniper]

they cant blame u but they can ignore u

[unreal badger]

oh

[frozen matrix]

Then ignore every other player that also feels that way. You can’t blame the player for getting frustrated that “their voice is never heard”

[unreal badger]

i mean yeah but doesn’t matter bc tealy and all the ct for that matter is tied to salted

[frozen matrix]

Bruh I sometimes fucking hate salted so much

[unreal badger]

i would honestly save your breath tbh i think we’ve already made our points and if it’s ignored then it just is

[frozen matrix]

I swear he doesn’t even play his own fucking game

[unreal badger]

most devs don’t

which is why it’s important to listen to players that do but oh well

[frozen matrix]

Idk I feel like my only solution is to @ salted and just say like this shit is the final straw that will make me cancel my silver bull subscription and maybe he’ll listen

[royal charm]

sorry folks, we know the minigame is bugged, but we decided to drop it and instead focus on reworking the forgery, we'll be done in a few months, thanks yall

[frozen matrix]

For the last 3 other events that would have been way better news….

[royal charm]

buuns the reason we dont listen to you very often is because you're very often super rude and inconsiderate of stuff the CT is doing, and you only seem to think that the game should go the way you want it to, and you dont consider the teams overall priorities/you think you know better

or at least thats why I can't take your feedback seriously a lot of the time

[frozen matrix]

Me being rude doesn’t mean Tcc isn’t a buggy mess?

[shut juniper]

wait this is not ur first time?

[royal charm]

please re-read what I just said

[frozen matrix]

My tone doesn’t mean the things in bring up aren’t important? I still don’t understand why you guys prioritize what you do and y’all are extremely awful at communicating most of the time

[royal charm]

please point out to me where i said that things arent important

[frozen matrix]

Idk if that cause salted keeps y’all under lock and key but players are often left out of the loop on shit

“The reason we don’t listen to you is often is cause your super rude”

Me being rude doesn’t mean what I’m talking about is “wrong” is just means I’m extremely frustrated with the subject majority of the time

[royal charm]

i also never said what you're saying is wrong

im saying you're rude about it, so why do you think CT don't often respond to you?

because you're toxic and mean to us and the devs all the time and we dont wanna deal with you

[shut juniper]

yeah why u think CT is not good? tealy is literally the only ct i dont like!!!

[frozen matrix]

My biggest flaw is saying CT when I just mean Wynn in general

[royal charm]

also im not in charge of mission balance

[frozen matrix]

Idk who is in charge of what cause you guys don’t communicate that

[shut juniper]

yeah but are u the designer?

i m not talking about balance in that sentence

[royal charm]

ive said like 6 times that I designed the mobs and challenges for sky/rodo and did some se anti-camp

[frozen matrix]

Again players don’t know who does shit and it makes ppl “blame” the wrong ppl

I rlly should just say salted

[shut juniper]

wait so u never engage about the missions?

[royal charm]

its not my final say

[frozen matrix]

I think it really is wynns fault for not communicating with players better

[royal charm]

buuns what do you want communicated

[frozen matrix]

Why the fuck do random ass YouTubers get access to salted but he can’t do just do a live stream for like 3 hours just doing a q and a

Like even once a month a single stream would be enough

Fuck even like more “poles” that players can choose direction for. Like I 100% would have voted for no challange cap is given the option

I’m 1000000% sure player would have voted to keep 3rd room tna skip in the game if they had the option instead of having it be a bannable offense

[royal charm]

buuns are you really arguing that we should have a poll for whether or not we should let people abuse skips or not

[frozen matrix]

Or turn it into a actual feature?

[royal charm]

so you think doing raid challenges should be optional to completing the raid?

[shut juniper]

why u skip the room tho

[frozen matrix]

I don’t care about the “label” of something if a “bug” makes the game better or more “fun” why should I care it’s labeled a “bug”?

[frozen matrix]

I think if u can work around the challenge like parkour skip you should be able to do rooms what ever way you want

The only “problem” with that bug is you skipped the boss. If it just spawned the boss instead it would be perfect

[royal charm]

What? Why would you have to fight the boss?

If you were able to parkour and avoid the boss, why should you have to fight it? Wouldn't it be more fun if it just brought you straight to the reward chest?

[frozen matrix]

Cause u collected all the void matter, the only reason player “skip” is cause you force them to wait 3 min to get the final matter

Force waiting is not fun

[royal charm]

Buuns, why don't we add a "bug" where you can glitch through the wall in the first TNA room and fall directly into the greg boss fight

[frozen matrix]

Cause the other 2 rooms can have “challange that’s fun”

[shut juniper]

no it should fall directly into the reward room

[royal charm]

I see, so you think the third room isn't fun enough to be worth doing?

[frozen matrix]

Yes

It’s a zzzz fest waiting the 3 mins

[shut juniper]

tbh that room is not fun

[royal charm]

I guess the mod team should have asked you before they decided whether it was legal or not to skip it

[shut juniper]

people want room that can do faster if u have enough ability

[royal charm]

like its impossible to speak with you seriously about balance if you live in this idyllic fairyland where your word is God. if you wanna be taken seriously then please think critically before you make suggestions, or you will continue to discredit yourself

[frozen matrix]

It’s just like what is the “challenge” or “fun” of 3/4 player waiting afk while the other semi brainless kills mobs

[royal charm]

Buuns, do you think we should fix greg getting bugged against the wall?

[frozen matrix]

Yes

It gets semi boring sometimes

[royal charm]

Alright sweet, Im glad we have come to a mutual agreement

[frozen matrix]

I will admit the “hecktic” parties are more “fun” but get frustrating to grind

Also I don’t think my word is “god” it doesn’t take a lot to prove to me in wrong if u can just make it make sense for me

[royal charm]

Im struggling to make things make sense to you, because you very often exaggerate and then act like you're not exaggerating

[frozen matrix]

Yes I often exaggerate but then have actual examples that back up some of my hyperbole

Do I think wynn is actually “fucking awful” no I wouldn’t waste 20+ hours a week playing if I did

I just get hyper frustrated at some aspects

[royal charm]

then stop saying it is

[waxen briar]

Tealy on a sidenote do we know for sure if grey not appearing past challenge 20-25 is a bug yet

[shut juniper]

from what i asked tealy last time it is a feature

[waxen briar]

If that's the case then God damn I'm gona make fun of madeline

[shut juniper]

although it is not the same as the patch note

[unreal badger]

just play the game it’s clear that beacons are bugged

[frozen matrix]

I can call aspects of Wynn bad while thinking overall is still good. I think it’s dumb af to discredit criticism cause it came in a negative way

[unreal badger]

i mean people are less likely to listen to you if you aren’t really nice to them

[royal charm]

im not discrediting criticism im discrediting you, and im explaining why 99% of the time I see what you say and I dont respond because you're mean

no wonder you complain about lack of communication when you're awful to communicate with

[frozen matrix]

Tealy it didn’t start like this

[shut juniper]

tealy am i awful to communicate with

[royal charm]

you seem to be on and off toxic to me and i cant always understand if you're joking or not

[royal charm]

being frustrated isnt an excuse

[shut juniper]

yeah i always trolling

[waxen briar]

Tealy 🥺

[shut juniper]

basically i always trolling unless i am talking about stuff in game

[royal charm]

idk, do we?

[frozen matrix]

I’m saying communication was bad before I was even in here u can’t blame ME cause Wynn doesn’t communicate effectively?

[waxen briar]

I don't, that's why I'm asking you 😭

[royal charm]

its all your fault buuns

[frozen matrix]

Fr

Act madline fault cause I’ve been extra toxic to Ct cause of her

[royal charm]

let it be known that wynn CT communication problems all stem from @frozen matrix

it is solely and completely their fault

also this is the wrong thread for all of this

[frozen matrix]

Fr tho y’all can have over 2k comments about a limited time event but won’t answer core questions about lootrunning

Can u see how that is frustrating for some players

[shut juniper]

because they cant work on both at the same time?

[royal charm]

sorry we're fixing the minigame, we'll stop 😦

[frozen matrix]

Bruh we r just asking if info about greys r correct

[royal charm]

what shall I work on first, mr buuns?

[shut juniper]

they dont have a huge team they are just a minecraft server not a 3A game

[frozen matrix]

How much time does that take?

[frozen matrix]

Little ones pet 🙂

[royal charm]

lets see, let me check the code

oh sorry I dont have access to dev code

[shut juniper]

can u just help us to tell the devs or salted tho

[waxen briar]

If you dont know then just say so and I won't bother asking

[frozen matrix]

So like you have no access to communication to the person who designed it? We are just asking if greys are “intended” to be only early

[shut juniper]

because it is hard to communicate with the devs we cant @ them and they seldom in the chat

[waxen briar]

Not like I'm expecting much clarity on wynn features from salted in the first place

[frozen matrix]

Bump

This is not a tealy problem this is a salted problem

[royal charm]

i didnt code it and i havent spoken to salted at length about it, so i dont wanna say if its a bug or not. from what i have spoken with him about it, it seemed to be intentional, but im gonna bring it up w the whole team so we can clarify and make a final decision on it and other things

[frozen matrix]

Imo

[shut juniper]

but why is it not the same as the patch notes tho? is it a patch notes script bug?

[royal charm]

i didnt code it and i havent spoken to salted at length about it, so i dont wanna say if its a bug or not. from what i have spoken with him about it, it seemed to be intentional, but im gonna bring it up w the whole team so we can clarify and make a final decision on it and other things

[waxen briar]

My guess as before is that salted decided to nerf it and forgor to include into patch notes (this is where madeline decided to yell and scream at me for assuming such things)

[frosty bough]

average madeline moment

[frozen matrix]

Tealy I just want to want to play the game again

[waxen briar]

So if I end up right I'ma yell and scream back at madeline

[shut juniper]

well if that's true that's embarrassing

[frozen matrix]

After doing the event for like 3 hours the other day it feels like there’s no reason to play rn

[royal charm]

id rather yall leave madeline alone

[waxen briar]

Dw I won't be toxic, just a lil anoying

[shut juniper]

tbh we need some better way to communicate with the devs

[frozen matrix]

Even when I’m “toxic and mean” I will always try to compliment y’all when I feel it’s genuine

[royal charm]

im glad you like the event at least

the minigame took a lot of time. i knew it was gonna be a hit though cause I couldnt stop wanting to playtest it lmao

[frozen matrix]

That’s my guild leader rn, I think she has like over 15 hours of playing now

[shut juniper]

tbh btb make me want to go back and play dbd

[inner flicker]

i just see people crying while they play vermin

[frozen matrix]

Also genuinely some of the most fun “group play” like extreme differences in fun playing with ppl in discord is, I can’t describe

[royal charm]

we should move to #1162460754289627228 if we wanna continue on btb

[frozen matrix]

Kk, back to MH complaining. I think DaD4 is still a bad requirement and pretty annoying to “grind out” on multiple classes

[royal charm]

sorry, i will not be changing this

[frozen matrix]

Crying and pissing and shitting

[frozen matrix]

Why tho?

Is there something I’m not thinking about?

[royal charm]

when we have the dev tools to make it work id wanna add upper heights do the lr, which would require the elevators

[frozen matrix]

Ic

Idk how to solve having to repeat farm content cause I did quests on 1 class but just speed lvled the others

I feel a lot of other players did that too but maybe I’m in the minority

[royal charm]

imo if you speed level then you should expect to have to do the content in order to access stuff

[frozen matrix]

Well I only speed leveled cause I hated doing the quests before the quest book came out

[shut juniper]

even we are leveling second class?

[frozen matrix]

It use to take me hour+ to do quests cause I’d get lost constantly

[royal charm]

hasnt the quest book been in the game for like 10 years

[frozen matrix]

Ya but that beacons and all that new Qol makes it way better

Tealy I’m telling u I fucking hated gavel cause I’d get lost for fucking hours then have to go on the Wynn map website to try to find my way to a town just to try all over again

Bruuu

I don’t even know the 2nd half of the jungle cause I got lost for like 2+ hour there and just decided to finally /kill and never go back

When I was like 15 I use to skill issue to hard when trying to play Wynn

Thus mob farming and dungeon become my favorite content

[waxen briar]

before i discovered wynntils i was the same, always getting lost everywhere even in rodoroc

[frozen matrix]

Fr

Like it’s extremely embarrassing to think about it

[shut juniper]

the first time i try to get in rodoroc i spent an hour to find it

[frozen matrix]

I meant content book im fucking stupid omg

[inner flicker]

looks like we all just wandered around clueless.

[hollow pewter]

am i cool for doing all the quests on all my classes (three 106s and three 105s)

[royal charm]

yeah this makes you a badass

[hollow pewter]

yay ☺️

i love wynn storylines 😈😈😈

[shut juniper]

insane

[violet hamlet]

any rough estimate of when the lootrun music for SI/MH will come out?

[unreal badger]

man

if you have x/x+1 challenges and u have cleansing ritual it will just end ur run when u complete a challenge still

orange and gray beacons still dont appear after challenge ~20

many se areas have been changed to pretty much make the player's experience worse

[shut juniper]

u mean anti camp?

[waxen briar]

orange does appear after 20

[unreal badger]

i ran untill challenge 50 something, not a single orange after challenge 20something

[unreal badger]

probabl what it is.. these mobs just destroy me even though im not even "camping" anywher im just playing

[waxen briar]

i got a bunch of oranges at challenge 60 ish yesterday

its just beacon rng being hot garbage thats all
the other day i went 11 challenges without blue (i needed 2 boons for a mission)

[shut juniper]

it is hard to get orange when u have only 3 choices

[shut juniper]

if u are talking about exemplar they forced u to stay in the hole and fight it

[unreal badger]

i stay in the hole and he just nukes me, then there is that one "destroy" objective where theres a thing that spawns 5023950 ender eyes per second that nuke u

[unreal badger]

i think not getting the beacon for over 30 challenges is not an rng issue lol

[shut juniper]

destroy that spawn ender eyes?

olmic or eyeball forest?

[frosty bough]

im getting oranges though

[unreal badger]

eyeall

[shut juniper]

are u playing archetypes that can go up and the anticamp thought u are camping

if u have only 3choices it is hard to get orange if u have 4 it is easy

[unreal badger]

its possible but like that just means the design does not really consider that these archetypes even exist

[shut juniper]

are u playing archetypes that keep flying

[plush crow]

When will the corkian augment reward chest rr bug be fixed....

[dreamy dust]

wat

[inner flicker]

last milenia

[waxen briar]

too late its a feature now

[unreal badger]

so now i know what issue i am experiencing which is juust a bad design problem

Aqua Beacon
No longer has a limit
Can no longer be offered more than 1 time in a row

Red Beacon
No longer has a limit
Can no longer be offered more than 1 time in a row

Green Beacon
No longer has a limit
Can no longer be offered more than 1 time in a row

if you are offered one of them and even if you don't pick it, it just cant spawn on the next round

which further makes your rrun absolutely rng with no way to fix it whatsoever

if you finally get gbeast and want to stack aquas and grays but you had them spawn together then you will basically be forced to quit

just prevent them from spawning if the player actually picked them

that shouldnt be hard to add in right now i dont think..

and this is just wrong

Grey Beacon
New Effect: Choose a Mission out of 3. Aqua and Vibrant Boosts increase the amount of choices.
Max 3 per run
Can only appear starting from Challenge #5
Grey beacons will not appear if you already have a mission active. They will also slowly stop appearing over time if they are offered too many times without being picked.

they stop spawning regardless of being offered or not```hs
They will also slowly stop appearing over time if they are offered too many times without being picked.

[shut juniper]

why are u talking like this is ur first day of 2.0.4 lr...

for the grey they already know this thing for like 2-3weeks already and it is a feature for them so probably a bug of patch note but they probably will change this feature soon
and for aqua red and green idk if this is a kind of bad design if they just want to make it like that

also that they cant spawn next round even u dont pick them is a feature since 2.0.3

[unreal badger]

based on what are you concluding that this is considered a feature for them

and for the 3 beacons in my opinion its a pretty bad design to just eliminate a beacon even if you didn't pick it, it ultimately completely determines the rest of your run depending on which beacons spawned in your first few challenges

[shut juniper]

idk wdym for the last sentence are u expecting that u have full orange choices for the whole run?

[unreal badger]

this doesnt really have anything to do with oranges as this can also happen in your first challenge depending on your luck

[shut juniper]

ok lets talk about what is "depending on which beacons spawned in your first few challenges"

[unreal badger]

it makes no sense to me that an option should disappear when i didnt even pick it, i assume they don't appear twice in a row for balance reasons (because double aqua stacking was pretty busted on gray and dark gray), however now it has no reason to be coded this way if it is already prevented, but now it just also happens even if you don't pick that beacon which is stupid

lets say you get red, green, aqua on your first challenge

you pick aqua, and on your next challenge red and green cant appear

and aqua cannot appear either

which means you are guaranteed all other beacons, which is fine

however lets say that in that scenario you picked red or green

for the rest of the run you will not be able to aquastack one of them because of how this cycle works

or well actually no, its the opposite

if you get aqua + one option, then the 2nd option is the only one that can be aqua stacked

so if you get aqua and green together, you will never be able to aqua stack greens for the rest of your run

which means you can say bye bye to gambling beast even if you got lucky and got it

[shut juniper]

so u are saying that if aqua red and green spawn together they always spawn together?
or if they dont spawn together they never spawn together?

[unreal badger]

my main point is that you can not aqua stack greens if you have aqua and green spawn together

[shut juniper]

may i ask u do u know what is yellow blue and purple?

[unreal badger]

which means that even if you finally get lucky with gbeast, it won't matter since you got lucky in your first few challenges

[unreal badger]

these don't matter because of what i said above ...

it's literally how they are coded, you just earlier agreed with me??

[shut juniper]

ok
round 1 : aqua green red
round 2 : yellow blue purple
round 3 : yellow blue green
round 4 : yellow blue aqua
round 5 : yellow blue green

if u have no full orange this is possible to happen

so idk wdym by that "cycle"

[unreal badger]

yeah, its possible to reset this cycle by losing oranges

but you would be at a huge disadvantage if you do so

[shut juniper]

why

why do u need that much orange after rainbow and white?

[unreal badger]

why not? i mean initially my first thought is that it helps you by getting more options but now that i actually think about it picking orange is a double edged sword with how poorly red aqua and green are coded

[shut juniper]

why orange cant be a double edged sword?

it is not rainbow? dont use 2.0.3 experience for 2.0.4

for 2.0.4 orange is only for rainbow white dgrey

after that u can actually just throw it away

[unreal badger]

im not, im simply saying it should always be better to have more choices, however clearly right now that is not the case

[shut juniper]

more choices never mean better even in 2.0.3

in 2.0.3 there's still some situation that is better for less choices

although that's not much because orange too powerful in 2.0.3 that can give u unlimited power to choose any beacon u want

[unreal badger]

i don’t undeerdtand why you’re using 2.0.3 as a comparing point to this

[shut juniper]

because u think orange should be always better

which is like 99% of the situation in 2.0.3

and they never tell us orange should be always better in 2.0.4

[unreal badger]

2.0.3 has nothing to do with what i said, i am simply saying that logically, more options should be better

[shut juniper]

why more options should be better tho?

[unreal badger]

makes sense to me that should be the case, if aqua red and green didn’t disappear every other beacon it’d actually be the cas

[shut juniper]

u want to infinite stack aqua?

[frozen matrix]

If u wanna maximum ur run, u run into a ton of rng checks or have to do a million tiny work around which is frustrating

Having to purposely lose - beacon so that u can chance the rng for it to line up with Aqua is quite stupid and makes oranges actually very harmful at times

[unreal badger]

no.. you’re just not getting what I mean even though I repeated it multiple times

[shut juniper]

u mean u want red and green revert to 2.0.3 right?

[unreal badger]

I want to aqua stack greens (or reds) whenever I want to without being reliant on rng or without being forced to sacrifice oranges

because right now if you have bad rng you are forced to not pick orange

[shut juniper]

if u want red and green can appear in a row and orange still the same as now

[unreal badger]

and if you happened to pick a vaqua vorange you can pretty much kiss your run goodbye

[shut juniper]

u need more rng for that

[unreal badger]

nope

it would simply mean oranges would be worth taking since they would actually give the correct amount of choices

[shut juniper]

yeah orange would be worth taking and u want to take it but u find that u can never find it because red and green always there every challenge

[unreal badger]

which means that yes, to maximise your pool you’d need more oranges however with just changing how aqua red and green spawn it wouldn’t even matter, you’d really only need an orange or two

[unreal badger]

orange is already pretty common (excluding bugged behavior which just sometimes makes it disappear for like 30 challenges) so this wouldn’t be so problematic

[shut juniper]

"oh i got my first orange but it only have 5challenge left!!! i need to get the next orange asap"
"oh fk why i can only get red and green?!!!!!!!!!!"

orange always common in the first few challenge

and become rare later on if u dont have enough choices

idk if this is a bug or what because no way to prove it but it always look like this (since 2.0.3)

[unreal badger]

i mean this is wha happens when u rush an update

[shut juniper]

no this is since 2.0.3

and there's no way to prove it because it is orange
and even ct cant check if this is true or not because ct dont have the right to check the code

actually u probably can prove it with statistic but idk if anyone want to do that

[waxen briar]

Idk about y'all but my only problems are mission requirements being either too easy it too hard due to rng and also some missions like equilibrium being rarer than a shiny

[shut juniper]

yeah i think the beacon change is good but i still dont love 2.0.4 just because of the missions

missions is a good idea and fun but the rng behind them is stupid

[tall harbor]

I’ve gotten add time equilibrium after taking stasis so many times

[waxen briar]

idk ive done over 80 lootruns since 2.0.4 and got equilibrium a total of 3 times

i got 3 or 4 idols in like 40 lootruns.. (not a single good lootrun as all of them were cut short)

its actualy so stupid how i cant even get a single good lootrun due to the insane rng and yet im still geting mad mythics cuz they are just dirt fucking common

[unreal badger]

did gbeast get shadow nerfed?

[frosty bough]

no

[unreal badger]

only got a rr when my timer hit 32 and now my timers at 40 and im not getting a rr

[waxen briar]

yeah you are having the same misunderstanding i had, gbeast time requirement increases each challenge NOT every time you get a reroll from it

[unreal badger]

what?

that just doesnt sound intended at all

[shut juniper]

everyone have the same misunderstanding until they do their first gb run

[slow wyvern]

I completely agree with this take. Anti camp isnt working properly it spawns a ton of 1 tick timer mobs that just knock you out of the area even further so se is not viable rn unless you go defense monk mode so far defense trickobat is the only thing that works in se

[waxen briar]

it is intended

[shut juniper]

try to read the mission effect next time

[waxen briar]

wynncraft when the players are having fun: IMPOSSIBLE, MUST ERASE RIGHT AWAY

[unborn vault]

False Respite anticamp is :)

[unreal badger]

welp

basically if you can't hold off your objective and stack 3+ hours

have fun getting rrs without getting to chal 100 lol

[slow wyvern]

My build with trickobat is stardust libra vaward crabs nulli photon diamond fusion succession diamond fusion. I tried a lot of other mythic builds and nothing holds a candle to that besides weathered substitute which is slightly more dps slightly less defense.

[unreal badger]

well..

[slow wyvern]

Its broken rn we need to spam tealy about it

[waxen briar]

you arent supposed to get many rerolls anyway, i totaly agree with that nerf

getting any more than 10 rerolls is silly

[slow wyvern]

Well u can if u just stack green

[waxen briar]

oh yeah u still can get a lot of rerolls if you get a gbeast with curse requirements and stack green for sure

[slow wyvern]

Which takes the fun out of ur lr

[unreal badger]

anyways 2.0.4 is just a big ass pandora box which is full of heavy rng

[unreal badger]

welp got abso 3rd rr with some le i guess ill take it

[waxen briar]

yep thats true and it sucks a lot

[shut juniper]

the beacons changes is fine but mission rng is stupid

[waxen briar]

yep the rng is so dumb that you can in theory get a 1k pull 50 reroll run but most likely you'll just get failed run after failed run

[shut juniper]

pov : u see 0 high roller and sacrifice during the run and in ur 3rd grey they all appear at once

goodbye my 75 pulls stack

actually i can still have 50 sacri

[unreal badger]

i feel like it isnt worth in the sake of fun to run anything other than mh

[shut juniper]

i have never tried mh how big is it?

[waxen briar]

Yeah mh is the only one I haven't tried

[shut juniper]

i will try it if there's good mythic in pool but they keep dodging

fk the no statue bug happen again

[unreal badger]

its not so big and the vast majority of challenges are roughly on the same y level

to me its really fun and i can complete all the challenges in under a minute

[vagrant berry]

I enjoy mh probably my fav camp

[unreal badger]

corkus having garbage caves and being absurdly huge, whlie SI having 130+ Y height differences between challenges is just awful design and i wont play them regardless of the loot

[vagrant berry]

more void hole shortcuts would be nice for se

[unreal badger]

tealy said they plan adding more challenges to the actual heights in mh using the elevators, so if they make that shitty too i guess there will be no more camps to run because SE is kinda eh with how they ruined it using "anti camp"

[vagrant berry]

even just lootrun exclusive ones kinda like the sky island cloud jump pads

[waxen briar]

yeah all of the distance problems dont matter to me cuz warp go brrr

[vagrant berry]

i can at least avoid anti camp by playing non-bmonk warrior

[violet hamlet]

i'm pretty sure the statues don't spawn if you kill the gatekeeper before starting the spelunk challenge
i'm not sure though might just be me

[unreal badger]

great design forcing u to play oither archetypes 👍

[shut juniper]

i use warp and i still hate treasure grabber

[waxen briar]

gota love seeing that 1.1k m distance challenge

[shut juniper]

i can just /class to fix the bug but i loss my ks stack...

[violet hamlet]

rip

[shut juniper]

oh god i need a map that can show me all the chests in sky

[vagrant berry]

i do agree anticamp mobs are not the greatest countermeasure for stuff like mage & archer but i think they do a good job at keeping the flying archetypes (bmonk acro) in check

first content to actually have a counter to literal flight

I enjoy non-bmonk warrior anyway so idm playing it at all

[shut juniper]

ks so op

[violet hamlet]

what does ks stand for again

[shut juniper]

kill streak

[violet hamlet]

ah thank you

[vagrant berry]

did they buff killstreak i thought it was kinsa mid

[shut juniper]

kill your streak

[violet hamlet]

yeah i thought killstreak was just for like 30s

[shut juniper]

if u are comparing to 2.0.3 yes it is buffed

they are 60s now

[violet hamlet]

oh wow

[shut juniper]

which is op as fk for warp

[vagrant berry]

hmm yeah that sounds nice

[shut juniper]

the only problem is that u cant stop or /class

i actually only need 1 dmg ks boon to out dmg the 18 dgrey

[violet hamlet]

wow

[shut juniper]

if i dont get oneshot

plz remove this objective

[waxen briar]

get boons is equaly bad if not worse

atleast curses is easier when you have rainbow

[shut juniper]

not good when u dont want curses tho

i mean 2 curses is ok but wtf is 4

[waxen briar]

better than spending 11 challenges trying to find 3 blues...

[shut juniper]

when u try to find blue

holy shit guys...

[royal charm]

my face when

[royal charm]

use the clouds

[inner flicker]

bmonk bashscream too

[topaz jacinth]

what the heck

where is the reward

[inner flicker]

?

[topaz jacinth]

it should be in the arena no?

[inner flicker]

what challenge

[royal charm]

yes

its in the arena before you leave

[topaz jacinth]

it tps me out wtf

[royal charm]

you must have walked into the teleporter

[inner flicker]

tp thingy shouldnt spawn before chests are claimed

[royal charm]

impossible unfortunately

[inner flicker]

huh

[topaz jacinth]

unlucky

[frosty bough]

which camp is this ? ?

[inner flicker]

then maybe make it not a place but a right click thing? or sneak to tp or maybe delay it and show a warning where it will appear smt like:
teleporter opens soon
claim your rewards

[royal charm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/1028518084488740915/cat.gif

[inner flicker]

huh

[royal charm]

possibly

[violet hamlet]

it could also be something like the bottomless pit boss altar where some mob drops an item that teleports you out

[topaz jacinth]

agreed

[royal charm]

couldn't do this

[violet hamlet]

why not? just curious

[royal charm]

would have to stop it from working during challenge, + would have to update challenge so only 1 mob that drops it spawns. at that point i may as well just make it a right click thing

[violet hamlet]

true true

[royal charm]

but tbh id rather just fix rewards from softlocking you in the first place

[violet hamlet]

yeah i can see that

[frozen matrix]

Tried lring again (5+ hours) I really just don’t think this new system is fun. Was literally in the middle of a equalib run and I just ended it cause I felt so bored

[royal charm]

maybe you just dont like lootrunning

[frozen matrix]

Eh use to lr every day in 2.03. I don’t think that’s the prob

Like committing 20+ hours every week

[frozen matrix]

The new grey system is just flawed to put it the best I can. Runs feel deeply disengaged after challange 30 unless u have some specific synergy going. Imo this stems from greys going being op and underwhelming. Either making all of them op and cap is at 4 like u do now or separate them and have the more underwhelming things go on D grey or something. Or just add like 20-50+ extra challenges and let u get 1 grey every 10 challanges so u actively have something to “chase” to the end of the run and also making every run much more unique

The old “chase” was getting grey and D grey at good time it’s just meh

[unborn vault]

I'll run with the example of TBoI, and say that the reason it is more interesting is that it actively changes the way you play from one run to the next
On lootruns, your attacks never change in functionality, so when you go through the same cycle of running to a specific location, and throwing the same 2-3 abilities at it, it might get a tad stale.

All of the random buffs you get are just. Flat stat increases. Nothing about the gameplay changes outside of if you got a nice mana regen buff maybe

[frozen matrix]

^

There also no like “level” progression so instead of a “boss” and “new level” you just statically fight the same things over and over again

Which makes me think the whole “challenge system” or “rouge like” belongs at forgery and not forced into lring in this weird half baked way

The closes thing that have to like “items” are M id and I think those also need a major overall. Instead of M id being slotted into only spells. I think the ability tree having so many slots have a perfect opportunity to add tons of extra variation to the game, but dev time so

[unreal badger]

mh(but does that really matter)

[frosty bough]

yeah in terms of speed it's like mh and se > corkus > sky

[balmy lintel]

went froum austraulus tower challenge, mine flying chest still in that challenge but im outside, /class /kill /switch doesnt work, afking also doesnt works
also its happened once on challenge from second ss

[shut juniper]

actually why dont just put the portal in the edge or corner of the room instead of the center

[inner flicker]

then our megamind wynncraft players wont find it

[shut juniper]

just make it same as the other similar challenge

[rancid oasis]

also why does my scoreboard randomly stop working mid lr

[lunar lava]

https://tenor.com/view/binding-of-isaac-isaac-fair-and-balanced-the-binding-of-isaac-isaac-fair-gif-24208685

[frozen matrix]

Idk this current version of lring just feels like “get equilibrium or end the run at challange 30” it’s like yay I love wasteing 45 mins to get 20 sac rewards cause my 1/4 chance of getting equalib didn’t happen

[shut juniper]

great! time to nerf equilibrium!

[royal charm]

i mean yeah you cant get the best run every time

[shut juniper]

if u dont want to force urself to get equili u can do infinite short run

[royal charm]

people get mythics from sub optimal runs every day

[shut juniper]

just keep sacrifice

[shut juniper]

actually why inner peace is purple is it really that good?

[waxen briar]

thats a problem in on itself

i love ending a run cuz i got shit missions and had absolutely no fun doing it and then getting mythics that are 1 not rewarding cuz they are hella common and 2 even less rewarding cuz the run wasnt even good

lootruns are just mythic generators where you get to have fun like once every 50 or more lootruns at this point

[frozen matrix]

It’s not about mythics it’s about lring not feeling fun to do

I’d much rather drastically reduce mythic % and let me go back to getting like 2000+ effective pulls again

[frozen matrix]

By “best run” we aren’t talking any synergies or anything we are talking about a single challenge

Also the answer isn’t to nerf equalib and make lr even less fun if y’all do that I swear ima charge back my champ rank

[shut juniper]

if u are not long run lover and dont like the mission rng u can try to do sacrifice stack short run (still possible to get 0 high roller and those sacrifice until the 3rd grey)

[frozen matrix]

How is the effent at all ur getting like 40 puls then sac then to get 60 then sac that to get like 70ish? For like 3+ hrs of work doesn’t seem efficient at all

Also I hate short runs. The worst part about lring is starting over again. That’s why I much prefer infinite lr where I’m not doing 4+ lr in a day just let me do one long run

[shut juniper]

at least better than try to find ritual equili run with like 1% chance

i dont even care about efficient in 2.0.4 anymore i just want to do infinite short run instead of 3 hours for a fking gaia that worth 24le

[frozen matrix]

I just want equalib idc about synergizing with it. Which is like a 3/11 - 5/11 chance 4x

[unreal badger]

they made lootruns even more of a rng mess

every aspect is more rng than the previous one

[frozen matrix]

^

And like 8x more annoying to manage

[unreal badger]

I wish they would improve but they didn’t listen in beta so it’s too late

[shut juniper]

idk if u think beacon is more rng but missions definitely infinite rng test

[frozen matrix]

By “listening” the just gutted the fuck out of any of the cool systems they were about to add…

U could atleast manipulate rng with beacon pathing before now it’s just brainless Aqua everything

[shut juniper]

in beta the missions seems have same rate even in the last day of beta and then in live it became different immediately

[unreal badger]

I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten more mythics than equilibriums 💀

I wish tealy said why they said that the rarity depends on the color

when clearly ult sac and redemption appear pretty much every run and you’d be lucky if you ever saw an equilibrium

[unreal badger]

missions rng is so annoying especially objectives it’s not balanced at all

[shut juniper]

"inner peace is rare"

[waxen briar]

ive goten more mythics than equilibriums in 1 29 pull run and 1 98 pull run

(ive done about 100 lootruns by now)

[shut juniper]

actually does anyone know how to make good use of inner peace?

[waxen briar]

and i dont count mythics from normal chests

[shut juniper]

i cant find any reason to take inner peace besides all the choices are shit and it has the best objective

[rancid oasis]

cursestacking i guess?

[shut juniper]

but the problem of cursestacking is that

1. u probably have cleansing already
2. u have equilibrium
   and in both scene u dont need inner peace

[unreal badger]

inner peace is just “I didn’t get the other two options”

[shut juniper]

and if u dont have both u should not do a long run

[unreal badger]

yeah u need either or both for a long run

[shut juniper]

and who the fk do cursestack in short run....

[unreal badger]

otherwise just quit after 4 challenges .. if u even managed to get 3 grays lol

most of my runs I don’t even get 3 grays because of how dumb objectives are

[waxen briar]

yeah curse stack without equilibrium aint it

equilibrium allows you to just perma aqua purple spam

[shut juniper]

i mean even u taking purple or dgrey in short run it only happen when u have equili
totally no point to take inner peace

[unreal badger]

“variety” 🤒

[shut juniper]

or maybe orphion and inner? (that sounds stupid)

[unreal badger]

orphions is actually not so bad if u have nothing better to pick

but most of the time it’s never needed it’s just nice to have

[waxen briar]

we alredy know that the hero beta is just a joke, they release one thing in the hero beta, dont listen to any feedback besides bug fixes (some times) and then they release the same content but with major untested changes live

[unreal badger]

but why, what is the pont

[waxen briar]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-cat-slide-gif-17371923036948092691

[rancid oasis]

i tried that and it worked

[unreal badger]

actually I don’t think this was the case? I very much remember that the silent expanse hero beta lasted like at least 1 month

[shut juniper]

worked for what

[waxen briar]

idk wasnt here for that

[rancid oasis]

until i got bored of the lr

[unreal badger]

It was definitely the case

[shut juniper]

can u do full challenges in like less than 2 hours? or even less

[rancid oasis]

also thats the main problem

[unreal badger]

with idol in mh yea

[rancid oasis]

the runs taking so fucking long

[shut juniper]

i mean orphion and inner combo

[shut juniper]

then probably not a good combo to do long run

[rancid oasis]

no just in general

they take long no matter ur missions imo (idol user)

[unreal badger]

u can only really do a run with eq or critual, or if u get lucky with a gbeast objective