maybe make it so u can put ur iteams in ingrediant pouches if u arent ironman

[fallen idol]

wiat that was asuper reaction what the fuck

i just think that this would remove one of the cooler and special parts about ironman(adding this would make it less cool yaknow) and isnt needed thattttt much(inventory management 🤯 )
but i am rnning on two hours of sleep and my judgement is clouded so balls

[hollow torrent]

The point of Ironman’s ability to do that is because of the gamemode’s limited space

What on earth does this achieve in regular gameplay asides from “More Inventory Space”

[pallid turtle]

ik

but like wouldnt it be cool if u can carry lutho scrolls, tol runes in ur pouch so u dont have to waste inv?
also putting ur stx?

[hollow torrent]

You didn’t answer the question

[hollow torrent]

So in other words, literally just “More Inventory Space”

Like, that’s the suggestion

[pallid turtle]

true ig

[mild oyster]

ok but consider this

it would be cool

[hollow torrent]

Would it?

[mild oyster]

it would be cool

[lofty cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

no

[young grove]

What is it people say in constructive feedback nowadays?

Buffing shaman would solve this issue

[rigid lagoon]

No it’s “Nerfing Mage would fix this issue”

[young grove]

Ah mb

[pure maple]

I thought we were still nerfing warrior

[rigid lagoon]

Could’ve sworn we were nerfing Mage

Eh, just nerf them all and buff Shaman by 1000000000%

[pallid turtle]

its making macros bannable

[tame plank]

now they will experience what it felt playing shaman

[pallid turtle]

not nerfing mage nerf warrior

[reef wind]

Hell nah
Ironmans pouch is special because you dont have acces to your bank
Why would you need even more inventory space
Just think back to before we had emerald pouches and before pots were stackable
There even was a time when the ingredient pouch didnt even exist
This would kinda invalidate the uniqueness that ironman has

[pallid turtle]

ik but it would be a nice thing

[reef wind]

I
Guess?

[reef wind]

Grayzone
A macro for a single spellcast on a single button press is allowed

[pallid turtle]

did u see the gaia

thing? the 1 watch gaia u think thats balanced? do u rly think that should be allowed? after that u still think macros should be allowed?

[reef wind]

Yeah
Imo manastorm ahouldnt be reachable from riftwalker
But im not designing thr tree

[reef wind]

Its literally just an issue with manastorm
Try to sustain that on any other class and you suffer

[pallid turtle]

nirvana acrobat nirvana trickobat

archer divzer freedom

[reef wind]

Both cant sustain 25+ cps

[pallid turtle]

arcanist

[reef wind]

That archetype was made for infinite spellspam

Anyway, gaia still sucks, this is a manastorm issue (ive seen manastorm abuse on fatal and warp, damage isnt ok)

[pallid turtle]

bruh my issue isnt the mana my issue is that the insane fucking dps of a macro i

if thats the dps of gaia try idol , nirvana trickobat

[reef wind]

Yeah
And that issue is only possible because manastorm gives you infinite mana and then some more

[reef wind]

Im using both
:)

But that one is an issue with abilities
Clones are dumb
And the spell multiplier on flykick is as well

[pallid turtle]

.... bruh he had -1 ice snake costs mana isnt the issue the issue is a macro

[reef wind]

Well
His meteors still cost 17

[rigid lagoon]

This argument makes me want to bash my head against the wall

[reef wind]

Riftwalkers mana requirement is insane
It is basically impossible to get meteor cost to 1, wich would be needed for macros to be sustainable
The only 2 ways to sustain riftwalker at higher cps (as far as i know) are
A: manatorm (why is it accessible)
B: Lunar spine (mana stick my beloved)

[reef wind]

||not just you||

[rigid lagoon]

Mana Stick my Lunar beloved Spine

[reef wind]

Anyway back to the original topic:
Why except for being nice
If you want the pouch play ironman lol
I personally prefer ing pouch on normal character bc otherwise i would loose too many items (cant find them)
Also, ironman pouch isnt bug free
Its just that the bugs dont matter because of it being ironman only

[pale kelp]

no

[ivory estuary]

the major one was fixed but they still uh. exist

also unpopular opinion ironman shouldnt be able to pouch items it should be full bank or nothing

[reef wind]

O right
Forgot that one was patched

[reef wind]

I mean yea
But also inventory hell if no pouch
(Was possible before but going back is always harder)

[ivory estuary]

it was genuinely hard tho

[pale kelp]

its own bank, yea, and no pouch items.

[reef wind]

Yea i saw your screenshots

You actually needed to plan stuff way ahead

[ivory estuary]

like, i think giving the ingredient pouch to ironman just puts the gamemode in a weird middle ground where you dont have to worry about the space but its not enough to like store shit without it being cramped somewhat, its just not hard to manage inv tho

[ivory estuary]

yea i think its either that or no bank and no pouch at ALL

or like. pouch stores ings blabla not the worst thing ig

i doubt many people would play ironman without bank or any pouches lmao

[pale kelp]

i mean yea, the pouch should store ings ofc but nothing else

im surprised there is a single player that plays ironman either way, actually

[ivory estuary]

shrug

[reef wind]

There are quite a few actually

[ivory estuary]

not for everyone
but a version where you have a bank will be for a lot more people

[pale kelp]

i know, thats why im even more surprised

i would play hardcore on all classes if it didnt go away after deaths but was just like +30% dmg taken from all dmg sources or something like that

but craftsman did the trick too, to mix it up

[ivory estuary]

craftsman unironically worst gamemode by itself

[reef wind]

On its own craftsman sucks yea

[pale kelp]

if u play it standalone, yea, but i prepped sets on high lv classes and just found it fun to only be able to use those

it was a different feeling, especially as etc potionless perma underleveled

[ivory estuary]

idk i think gamemodes are fun because you can kinda take your own spin on whatever exists as a base rule

[reef wind]

Only reason for only craftsman to be actually played standalone is if it would get crafting xp boost
But i dont see that happening (proffers will be mad)

[ivory estuary]

nah itll never happen

[reef wind]

Yea

[ivory estuary]

i just want a new gamemode :(

or hunted rework lol

[reef wind]

Hunted is
Difficult rn

[pale kelp]

hunted needs to be changed a lot, especially for those untradable item spammer c' s

[ivory estuary]

i think it is quite easy actually

nah its just bad and dead in multiple ways

[ivory estuary]

i think the solution to this isnt to punish them its just to make normal items not drop either lol

[pale kelp]

i think that would be a bad solution to anyone using the hunted mode for the xp buffs!

[ivory estuary]

clearly people dont like losing their shit when they die once and its relatively few people who play hunted in tradables and fight around it

[reef wind]

Thats what i meant

[ivory estuary]

tbh crafteds should still drop in hunted tho

[pale kelp]

no the problem is that no matter what you do you cannot win against the hunters, even if you kill them. the xp farmers are always getting fucked over

no matter how bad and unskilled the hunter, the xp farmer can never farm if the hunter doesnt want him to

[ivory estuary]

i hate this filter why does it work in threads. also wrong partially

[reef wind]

Just
Remove the xp boost from hunted

[pale kelp]

that would be favorable

[reef wind]

LOL

[ivory estuary]

i dont think the xp boost NEEDS to be removed but it wouldnt hurt to remove it. i think adding objectives that arent just farm xp while people screw you over would be favorable so people. actually fight each other.

shrug

[pale kelp]

but you cannot fight each other when the hunter has stealth advantage, stat advantage and infinite chances and the xp farmer has only downsides and only 1 live, maybe 2 if he gets lucky

like let's say the xp farmer kills the hunter, what are you gonna do now. /class and wait for the hunter to stop coming back in 40 seconds with no repercussions

[pallid turtle]

xp boost from hunted is cool

[reef wind]

You
Arent supposed to xp farm in hunted
Thats not what the gamemode was made for

[pale kelp]

so why is there a xp bonus then

definitely to not use it!

[reef wind]

Idk

[pale kelp]

(i meant it more as in you are wrong, you are definitely meant to farm xp and for the extra xp are meant to be in danger)

[ivory estuary]

idk why the salter wont remove 60sec class timer tbh its really cancerous

[pale kelp]

but the problem is hunters are invincible, and thats just not balanced

you can never win the fight and enjoy some xp farming, you always have to leave regardless

[ivory estuary]

resisting the urge to say skill issue even though it helps the discussion in no way whatsoever

[reef wind]

I mean
Isnt it to prevent someone logging in next to you and immediatly killing you?

[pale kelp]

if you kill the hunter you still lost the fight, but alright

[ivory estuary]

yea but its a made up scenario

[pallid turtle]

if they remove the xp point from hunted there would like almost be no use for hunted class

[ivory estuary]

i have logged into someone nearby in hunted literally 1 time

[ivory estuary]

i mean. hypothetically. this comes with other changes

[pale kelp]

yea but that should be part of hunted, give like a 5 second invincibility phase but you cannot use scrolls for 10 seconds

[ivory estuary]

if you removed the xp boost from it rn the last 5 hunted grinders would cease to exist

[pallid turtle]

ig

[ivory estuary]

yea im not against a small timer upon login. 60s is ridiculous tho

[pale kelp]

but its important to not be able to scroll away until a bit after the timer is up, so that you can force combat and snipe people

[pallid turtle]

do u know how to get ''mage hat" btw ? :D

[ivory estuary]

mage hat ?

[pallid turtle]

that cosmetic

[pale kelp]

the cosmetic(s)?

[reef wind]

Yea 60 is dumb
I jumped someone once and they got away bc invincibility bs

[pallid turtle]

yeah which festivel?

[reef wind]

Blizzard?

[pale kelp]

bonfire had one i think

the only bonfire cosmetic i didnt get. but i just use the jster hat for mage cuz mage is clown class

[ivory estuary]

ill be real u can basically just run instantly and theres nearly no way the other person is catching you unless they have far superior movement
but yeah it would be nice. i think ideally using scrolls or classing or anything in an unsafe zome would have a timer where you couldnt move/take damage durign it

[pale kelp]

thoughts?

[ivory estuary]

hm? ur right about ur points idk

[reef wind]

So like
Some sort of cast time

[pallid turtle]

BRUHHH well ig now i have to get mage hat and driftwood dagger skin

[ivory estuary]

something, i mean i dont think u should be able to insta combat log or scroll outside of antiscroll radius etc

[pallid turtle]

blizzard or bonfire?

[pale kelp]

no i just meant, you call it skill issue despite all of the disadvantages that are present either way. but lets say you even win against the hunter as the proffer, then what does the proffer get? he has to leave anyway cuz the hunter will just come back in 2 seconds, the proffer only has 1 life and can't come back

[ivory estuary]

im trolling

[pale kelp]

ah, well

[ivory estuary]

yeah theres no winning depending on what ur doing

[reef wind]

I mean
Steps to fix combat logging:
A: no scrolls while tagged
B: no /class while tagged (ik it can be disabled)
C: actual punishment if you disconnect/hub

[ivory estuary]

like if ur grinding at frozen fort its one thing but dernic mining? ur just fucked and have to toggle

[pale kelp]

u cannot scroll while tagged?

[ivory estuary]

not like anyone grinds ff tho

[pale kelp]

you cant /class while tagged either

[reef wind]

Idk
Do i look like i play hunted a lot?

[ivory estuary]

• you already cant scroll while tagged
• you cant scroll while nearby another player
• using /hub or DCing in combat makes you drop the stuff but not take a death

[ivory estuary]

you should try it lol

[pale kelp]

do i?

[reef wind]

It shoudl make you take a death ngl

[ivory estuary]

yeah it just wasnt coded in but it should

also ofc the big you shouldnt be able to class in combat but i think thats pretty much just an unspoken thing that everyone agrees needs fixed lol

[pale kelp]

honestly, just disable /class, /hub and scrolls until you go back to a town after logging back in. and reduce the invincibility phase to 5sec

this way the hunter should always be able to catch his prey

[ivory estuary]

i mean what if you have to go / disconnect outside of a town? i dont think u should instadie but there should be a lengthy enough timer where people can catch you before you get into safezone

also honestly i dislike the whole hunter prey dynamic id rather it be two people who both want to fight the other

[pale kelp]

hardcore in current state contradicts with that logic

thats why i hate the idea of hardcore deleting your class much rather than just make you take more dmg

[ivory estuary]

just make a separate mode for that idk

hardcore should exist

[pale kelp]

but then you can't ever take full house

[ivory estuary]

just pvp on the hardcore and dont die

[pale kelp]

the thing is, not dying isnt hard. not dying forever even after the challenge is hard

[ivory estuary]

how it goes with hardcore in all mmos*

[ivory estuary]

also a majority of hunted players arent gonna be hardcore. but its not like running away wont exist either

[pale kelp]

but wynncraft isnt an offline game tho, it can be played pve, sure, but the game forces you to run into other players sooner or later with bombs, grindspots being limited, raids

so you can't ever just treat it as an infinitely ongoing grind, you can play your challenge and then quit that class

no matter how much skill you have, you can't ever treat a HICH like a normal class, a ICH could be tho

[ivory estuary]

i do pfinder tna on my hich

but yea i mean you arent wrong, endgame hich isnt very viable because of how the game is

[pale kelp]

how about you get 1690 on it real quick without peace treaties and then you also max it out after fruma release and then you also battle around with anyone for fun to fight

surely you won't die sooner or later!

[ivory estuary]

that being said almost nobody views hich (or even hic) as something that goes on infinitely. you beat the challenge

[pale kelp]

thats my problem with it xd

[ivory estuary]

1690 lmfao

[pale kelp]

yea 1690 curr is troll, anything above 120 is

[reef wind]

1690 hic when?

[pale kelp]

but even 120 could be annoying in a normal hunted life thats not fully dead and without peace treaties

[ivory estuary]

my wifi goes out multiple times a day and has been for multiple months

so i cant play it rn

[ivory estuary]

nah if hunted was actually active grinding profs on a hich would be actually difficult and people would show up to kill you

but . good. thats the point. mf hich players playing pvp and dont want to pvp

[reef wind]

Doomed

[ivory estuary]

assuming pvp actually gets balanced since we're talking hypotheticals i would absolutely fight anyone and everyone on a hich class

[pale kelp]

so just change hardcore or make it not show up! and then everyone can pvp anyone

[ivory estuary]

just dont play hardcore if you dont want to experience the game in that way

[pale kelp]

no i mean as in you always take the fight cuz you cant lose anything besides ur items anyway

[ivory estuary]

yea it seems fun

[reef wind]

I mean
We do need a damage nerf against other players
1 taps cant be the way

[ivory estuary]

yea im just talking in like a hypothetical state of healthy hunted gameplay

[reef wind]

Yeah
Rn its kinda doomed
I think on beta you killed me with 2 meteors
And im not that glassy

[ivory estuary]

to be fair my meteors are relatively quite high damage

but yeah its fucked

[thorn canopy]

play ironman

[pallid turtle]

true kinda hard to get mythics there tho

[thorn canopy]

maybe you don't need a mythic 🤯

or like... lootrun 🤯

[rigid lagoon]

Yea, all content can be done mythicless, I would know, I had none for 2 years lmao

[pallid turtle]

ik but mythics are better in some builds such as nirvana, cata, idol, fatal, warp, lament and prob more that i forgot

[thorn canopy]

But you don’t need a mythic, if you think you do it’s just a massive skill issue

[pale kelp]

idk why people never understand that

[rigid lagoon]

Legit used the same Orange Lily build for 3 years before I finally got a Freedom

[pallid turtle]

i dont think that im just saying mythics would make shit abit easier

[thorn canopy]

Again skill issue

[pallid turtle]

bruh i used to use a non mythic build and it was perfect for lring just fucking saying that a mythic would make stuff faster and more dps and u cant argue with that bc warp build is better than a morrowind build epoch builds are better than most other melee bows, alkatzr better than most warrior melee builds and nirvana builds are better than smth like manna builds

i dont say that u NEED a mythic build to lr or a mythic build to do tna im just saying it would be faster and more dps with mythic builds