"Figuring" out the lootrun camp mythic rate

[rough pivot]

it would be pretty funny if it took time always regardless of your time (adding rolls after enough time is taken), leaving you always like 2 minutes

[pulsar vortex]

yo i know nothing about the new update (haven’t played for 2 weeks), can someone tell me what the meta is ?

[light halo]

Hope you dont get fucked by bugs, otherwise grey + gambling beast + other good missions into long runs

[pulsar vortex]

thank you 🙏

[rough pivot]

I'll tell if I got something out of it

[rough pivot]

dry

[rotund orbit]

me when equi cleansing combo

[crude plinth]

Hmmm

[rotund orbit]

(i did not get a shiny lament)

[rough pivot]

~ 103/7 skipped strati on 1st roll

sacced 1 LE at the end xD

greed makes you lose twice

[rough pivot]

293/3 dry

[light halo]

finished slay challenge 1 sec too early and gb killed me 😩

[runic inlet]

223/8 dry

[runic inlet]

the true nightmare

[viral solar]

Haven’t lr at all since 2.04 update. Is there any reason to do it? From every thing I’ve read and seen so far it just seems like a trash update that changes rr from “boring” beacon manipulation to rng gambling beast?

[runic inlet]

it is very fun because there are many viable directions to take the run into

gbeast and cleansing are really good but getting at least one is common enough

[viral solar]

Imo not really. With cleanse u get like 300 pulls for 1+ hour with like 3 re avg. curse runs would be cool if there wasn’t a stupid af challange cap

[runic inlet]

Don't underestimate the sac

Old lr was boring as shit anyway once they buffed dgrey

[viral solar]

imo old lr was better

i dont see how this is better its just more rng to get ur rr which u cant manipulate. i also think sac is a stupid af concept in its currewnt form

[runic inlet]

Why sac is bad

[viral solar]

the fact u can see the items, it just turns it into a "budget" rr

from what i understand people r saying atleast

idk i also think forcing players to sac like 5+ runs to get 1000 pulls is stupid, just let players do that in 1 lr if they really want to and remove the dumb challamge cap, ur just wasting players time and forcing them to interact with mroe rng

its not like its "too op" since they let players sac to that level, why force players to do it in a way more "aids" type of meathod

[runic inlet]

It is so much better than a reroll

And getting 1000+ pulls is never really a thing

[viral solar]

this not u?

[runic inlet]

So what?

You can hypothetically get 36 shiny mythics from 36 pulls 0 rr

Just let the players always get 36 shinies then

[viral solar]

thats a weird strawman

[runic inlet]

You bring up a hypothetical scenario that never happens to make a statement about meta

[viral solar]

i just think sac is a bad system idk what to tell u

[runic inlet]

I guess when asking about 2.0.4 lrs you only wanted to hear someone shitting on the changes /shrug

[viral solar]

Eh I was one of the people wasting 9+ hours on hero beta messing with the update. For me the challenge cap made the update unplayable

Sac was just the cherry on top to make it stupid

[naive oyster]

Beta is not made to be enjoyable

[rough pivot]

Challenge cap was needed because going infinite could have disaterous consequences to the economy
You know how much equi + cleansing + materialism can potentially snowball?

There could be a point where you could get a mythic every few chests if you got thousands of lb/lq so that cap wouldn't do anything

[viral solar]

Again hard cap lq and lb and make scaling exponential and not linear instead of a garbage bandaid idea like a challenge cap

Why make certain beacons “infinite” but have less max potential challanges than from before the update

[viral solar]

Also as of this update already hasn’t had “disastrous effect on the economy”

[viral solar]

Also this is just wrong. Even in the 1000+ challange runs lb and lq isn’t nearly that effective’s lq gets to a point where is spawns in ing over item boxes. This really isn’t a “problem” players should be the concerned over. I’ve said it in multiple places ot would be more effective as some point to just end the run and take the end rewards compared to trying to continue to “meta game” lb and lq

[chilly wave]

You really don’t like the new system huh 💀

I haven’t been able to try it out that much. But I think down the road it could be very fun with some balancing here and there.

[viral solar]

Down the road yes, I honestly think releasing this update with 11 challenges for grey was some fucking hot ass diarrhea aswell

I think they need like atleast 50+ then truly every lr will be able to feel different and not the same all garbage 2-3 option meta that always ends up developing

[light halo]

Could be fun if gb was guaranteed or changed to be more fair

[rotund orbit]

ok lets be real 50+ challenges gona have us reading a wiki while lootruning

a few more for diversity would be nice but 50 is going too far

[viral solar]

See id truly like to be to way more rogue like instead of something I’m gonna “figure out and meta game” within 10-20 runs

I don’t mind them having permanent challenges buffs but it makes it so the one time buffs inherently just suck more

I’d do something like change grey to perm challange buffs and u get like 5 max like normal but I’d make d grey give 1 time buffs and give like 10 max of those

Imo that would be a way better system than boring ass d grey and broken meta game greys

[rough pivot]

225/5 36 LE after 3rd roll (so dry)

got 2 boxes tho (alka and galleon) as an apologize from game (bugs and unbearable lag)

[light halo]

56 5rr

[rough pivot]

27/8 dry (gambling beast incident lol)

[runic inlet]

21/7 dry (same)

[rotund orbit]

gambling beast goes crazy

[runic inlet]

i love trolling myself with -15m

[light halo]

New lootruns are very fairly designed and not just rng hell

[viral solar]

Almost as if I haven’t been saying this for like a week now but get shit on everything I do ☺️

[runic inlet]

idk so far it has been very consistent for me eхcept a for a couple times trying new stuff like mission 1 gb (bad idea imo)

[rotund orbit]

nah bruh corkus is insane
Corkus:
Shiny Warp (Wars Won)
Collapse, Idol, Weathered, Archangel, Az, Warp

[light halo]

sky looks pretty funny (shiny conv, mt, az, boreal)

but assuming it does just roll mythic and then decide on something it doesnt seem that good tbh

az crabs

boreal mt warchief in se

[sick canyon]

shiny epoch owo

[rough pivot]

I thought I was safe with time penalty but then suddenly 20s left lol

Miscalculation

[light halo]

average wynncraft player without 20 wynntils overlays

(im also skill issuing)

[rough pivot]

I think wynntils doesn't show up how much time will it take

[light halo]

yeah it doesnt, thats the thing

[rough pivot]

It doesn't also detect flying chests containing a mythic

Thank god that I have force of habit which is picking emeralds from every chest I see

[viral solar]

archangl then collaspse then weatherd took waetherd

[light halo]

this is your first lr since the update?

[viral solar]

Since doing it on hero beta ya

How do I set up runs for gambling beasts?

[light halo]

tbf ive also only done like 10 total with barely 100 epulls (but still got idol + disco )

[viral solar]

I’m looking for another warp rn

[light halo]

pray, you basically want a white active so you can gain some time from that but its not strictly necessary, then you just aquastack greens until the time it takes away gets too high

[viral solar]

I assume you don’t take GB until challange 3 or 4?

[light halo]

if you can you ideally also set up some aquastacked greens before but that only works if you have a condition like "get x curses/boons" for it because if its chests/pulls/beacons you cant really stall it

[light halo]

its pretty rare so depending on what your other missions are id take it

but if you take it early you either gotta finish it before challenge 20-30 (because then greys just disappear still i think) or set up a lot (tbf prob wotn take that long)

[viral solar]

R greys fixed I was semi rushing it but I got my 4th at like challenge 30

[light halo]

idk i cant read code sadly

[viral solar]

Eek

[light halo]

might be though

[viral solar]

nothing, grenn just didnt spawn for like 15+ challanges

lring corkus sucks jeez

esp on shaman man

[light halo]

all lrs suck with shaman

[viral solar]

do sac pulls transfer from class to class?

like if i sac on shaman does it transfer to mage?

also where do i see "sac" number?

[light halo]

no idea

[light halo]

you dont

[viral solar]

also i frogot to record 2 lr, its was like 346 p 4 rr, arch then warp, took warp

and other one 36 p 4 rr nothing

i think "sac" might destroy this thread

[light halo]

why?

[viral solar]

im not sure how ud caculate it or i might be pver thinking

nvm i think im overthingk ing

i was thinking if extra math goes into "sac" pulls being added to toher runs but thinking about it shouldnt matter

[light halo]

i think it should be included in end pulls

theres just no way to see just sac amount

[viral solar]

ic

so the lr with like 300+ pulls i sac before hand with like 100ish added, did i see that number like my original pulls were like 200ish or did i get a "hidden" 100 and was more like 400+ pulls?

[runic inlet]

You need to look at the chest

The pulls in chat don't count sac, pulls on chest do count it

[light halo]

oh

well its wynn so 🤷‍♀️

[viral solar]

fr

[runic inlet]

158-10 weath skip, warp on 6th rr
131-2 dry

[rough pivot]

Count

If you mess up counting then run is over

Also pray that green doesn't show at the same time as aqua

[viral solar]

Anyone else who was “actively” lr before 2.04 actually think this update is good

Seems like everyone who “likes” this update weren’t people who were hardcore lring before

[light halo]

i like it conceptually but i feel like in practice it just adds some more layers of rng

[viral solar]

Ya I’m not talking about the “potential” for the new systems. I’m just talking about how currently shitty those systems are

[light halo]

the two good missions (equilibrium, gb) are also way to fucking rare

[viral solar]

Real

[light halo]

like who decided the actually uhelpful stuff is going to be so rare that its practically nonexistent (i ahvent gotten equilibrium in like 50 missions or smth)

[viral solar]

I’ve literally never seen GB out side of the beta now

[runic inlet]

Yeah because the previous system was so dogshit

[viral solar]

???

This new system is not better lmao

By the fact this thread is basically “dead”

No way “more” ppl are going to lr within a few weeks once it’s no longer “new and shiny “

[runic inlet]

it was dead before 2.0.4 🤯

[rotund orbit]

we still got that luck (93 pull 3 reroll)

gota love how im doing a shit run, not having any fun and still geting mythics after mythics and yet salted over here yaps about mythic rates being fine and lootruning in general being fine

[viral solar]

^

[pulsar vortex]

i have semi quit wynncraft , used to play it a lot but this system is just not fun for me, maybe that’s me having skill issue but either way i’m not going to play until fruma

doesn’t feel rewarding getting a mythic shrug

idk how it’s so hard to make a system fun and lower mythic rates

but that’s just wynncraft for you

[rotund orbit]

wynncraft: best i can do is increase mythic rates and make the system less fun to compensate

[viral solar]

I wish more ppl would be vocal besides me, I’ve been raving about this for like 2+ weeks now but CT ignores me cause I’m “rude”

[rotund orbit]

you arent alone but they just dont care cuz salted believes everything is fine

[viral solar]

Idk what else to do but like cancel silverbull share as like a “strike”

[rotund orbit]

the player's opinions are irelevant as long as salted can check his silly statistics and see that playtime is looking good

ive lost all hope in salted the moment he made that interview with looni or olinus idk anymore where he said mythic rates are fine and lootruning is in a healthy state just cuz his statistics looked good

[viral solar]

I fucking wish salted would do a live stream q and a like once a month

Where players can actually ask him relevant questions and not some of the dumb ass stuff half of those interviews are filled with

[naive oyster]

I also think things have went a bit downhill but you cant really blame salted for looking at playercount and money income

Why listen to a vocal minority when you prioritize numbers

[viral solar]

“Whales”

Who the fuck else is gonna buy the $50 crate pack

[crude plinth]

that came outa somewhere

[viral solar]

Well I don’t think the avg lvl 20 is spending $ conspired the the $ that comes from “end game players”

Which is the audience they just refuse to listen too?

[crude plinth]

ok but is a #1130744061200961536

[viral solar]

Just ranting about how salted is dumb ig

[viral solar]

Oh I didn’t even think about it

What r the new loot pools?

I like when y’all format it like (text) then (ss) under it

[rotund orbit]

deaths lament 🔥

[runic inlet]

Dies of cringe

[viral solar]

Marq what’s ur tier list of most annoying to least annoyin to lr?

I kinda have been hating lutho since the anti afk stuff was added

[rotund orbit]

i havent tried rodo yet so i cant rank that
otherwise i like sky and se equaly and corkus is still meh but better than before

but i will try rodo cuz i want that shiny lament 🤤

[viral solar]

Warning 2 camps at rodroc do stupid amounts of dmg

1 is the lower ice one the dragon has heavy explosion that just one shots everything and the other is a slay by the lava and smoke Pilar, they r a black mob with arrow storm that does like a billion dmg and constantly fires

[rough pivot]

Kills guardian 🔥 🔥

[rotund orbit]

full thorns & reflection hunted guardian ftw

[slow remnant]

rodoc is mean against acrobat mains

[viral solar]

nothin

[sick canyon]

3 hours to do 97 challenges,,,,

[viral solar]

Ya

Not fun

[light halo]

Did you not get boons?

[viral solar]

Like 11

I got cleanse and flying chest cleanse so avg cleanse 3 curse every challenge so basically infinite no curse

[rotund orbit]

yay first full lootrun in 2 weeks

[viral solar]

How is lring sky I still haven’t done it

[rotund orbit]

its meh

some challenges are absolutely obnoxious with arcanist cuz the mobs just float out of range and you cant kill them to speedup the challenge

other than that everything else is fine

[crude plinth]

400 ws ovine tower is bit annoying on warrior

[river vault]

@rotund orbit any luck with figuring out the odds?

[rotund orbit]

the ods have been between 1 mythic per 1500-1600 pulls for a while now so i'd say thats roughly it

[river vault]

alr thnx

also I got a sunstar from 96 pulls 2nd reroll

[light halo]

1 pull -1rr all mythics

[rotund orbit]

bro just single handedly ruined all the statistics

[rough pivot]

ong

[slow remnant]

fr

[pulsar vortex]

no cap

[viral solar]

holy fuck MH is stacked this week

[rotund orbit]

mh? have you seen sky

[viral solar]

no its the only camp i dont check

[rotund orbit]

bruh

it has shiny monster, cata, warp, monster

[viral solar]

is it still bugged?

[rotund orbit]

idk what bug you mean, ive done almost only sky and its been fine

[viral solar]

i thoiught there were challnges at sky that had run ending bugs

[rotund orbit]

idk i heard about that but never encountered one

[viral solar]

theres steam jet walkers in MH i wonder if i can get like 16x pair this week

[runic inlet]

They said to fix that in hotfix2?

[viral solar]

Ah

[runic inlet]

But yeah if you were not careful you could softlock a sky run but it was never random, really

[rough pivot]

26/3 dry (only 1 orange during run 😭 )

[viral solar]

lring sucks

nothing

[runic inlet]

264/3 nothing

could've been 300 pull but return to playable area in 10

[viral solar]

nothing

[rotund orbit]

30 pull 2 reroll be like

littearly another run that i just gaveup cuz no good missions

[viral solar]

1 rr hero

[viral solar]

nothing

[viral solar]

nothing

damn they might have act nerfed mythic rates not that im mad aboiut that

[rotund orbit]

no they havent, i got a cata from 100 pulls 4 rerolls earlier

[viral solar]

suicide

me

ig im just getting unlucky

[rotund orbit]

i keep getting mythics from failed lootruns 😂

[viral solar]

fr

[rotund orbit]

but then again its ALL failed lootruns

getting cleansing ritual and equilibrium together is just the rarest thing ever

[viral solar]

fr i just get one or the other fr

most of my runs r like 2 rr materalism cleanse or equalib and orphian grace or sac

[light halo]

Nah i didnt get one from 10p 1rr defo nerfed

[viral solar]

ive gotten 3 box mythics this week tho so disco is doing work

[rotund orbit]

I got a monster today without lb lq

[viral solar]

ngl this week idec about mythics

[viral solar]

Marq are there any good legendary any where else besides MH this week?

Ik corkus has gnemos or something

[rotund orbit]

idk i dont look at them

i kinda just tunnel vision on the shiny monster and warp

[dusk mason]

Ive gotten 3 normal monsters so far 😩😭

[viral solar]

4 rr archangle

g beast runs dont feel fun imo

[viral solar]

nothjing

[rotund orbit]

bruh every time its less and less 😭

[rough pivot]

aqua into gray to fish for gambling beast :/

and then stasis to not end up with 10s remaining after challenge

[rotund orbit]

I tried and I didn't get a single gbeast from all 18 choices I had on the next run

[rough pivot]

doom

ig fair, runs where you don't get rainbow are still possible

[sick canyon]

isn't gambling beast just not worth it anymore lol

[rotund orbit]

it would be worth in a situation like this where i can sacrafice 160 pulls for the next run so even if i get gbeast early and lose challenge 20 i can have 180 pull 10 rr
BUT things never go the way you want them because fun is not allowed in wynncraft

[rotund orbit]

i essentialy went over 150 lootruns so i can get this exact run just to get shafted by gbeast rng the very next moment, truly amazing

[sick canyon]

fair enough

however consider simply not doing that lol

[rotund orbit]

i have considered simply not playing wynn instead

especialy since there are no shiny wands this week so fuck that

[sick canyon]

currently I think highest pulls/min strat is getting high roller first mission and then resetting at 15m after getting aqua dgray

which is like the shittiest strat ever lmao salted somehow managed to kill lring even more this update

[rotund orbit]

yep its as if salted is actively doing the oposite of what everyone wants on purpose

if i had to make a chart it would be smth like this imo

its goten to the point where pre 2.0.3 lootruning somehow looks appealing

[sick canyon]

I mean at least lrs are slightly more varied now

they're just really unsatisfying

[crude plinth]

but varied in a bad way

[sick canyon]

it's just funny that salted was like we're bringing more power to mid length runs and then proceeded to make the worst mid length runs ever

[crude plinth]

if he wants to make lootrun rewards less length dependant making most beacons unlimited could help

[rotund orbit]

yeah there are like 3(?) variants for long runs 1 is rarer than my dad the other is also rare and boring the third idk if there is a third and then there are short runs

the best part is that from over 150 lootruns ive goten 2 godly materialism runs and 1 "godly" sacrafice run and thats IT

[rotund orbit]

i didnt even manage to get 2 sacrafices so calling it godly is a stretch

[crude plinth]

longs runs have two parts:
1 setup
2 grind pulls
that aint very fun even with missions

[rotund orbit]

They would be somewhat fun if it wasn't so unbelievably difficult to setup one

I've gotten more warps + idols in 2.0.4 than god runs

[crude plinth]

tbh knowing that your run is near perfect is much more satisfying than more rewards

[naive oyster]

What is HB

[sick canyon]

a grade of pencil lead

[viral solar]

What r new loot pools?

I forgot to ask

[rotund orbit]

Hero beta

[rough pivot]

hmmm has anyone tried lootruns with old school gear

like yellow based run with lq lb and things like stronger boons

[rotund orbit]

yes 2 of my good runs in all 150+ lootruns were materialism runs

and i cay almost for sure that its useless

ive goten like 6 or 7 mythics from normal chests without LB LQ randomly compared to a single mythic from those materialism runs with high LB LQ

[rough pivot]

and how much runs have you tried like that?

[runic inlet]

Disco is solid on idol, but smaller items are replaced easily with boons

[rough pivot]

hmm I really wish that materialism still would be affected by aquas

[runic inlet]

That would be interesting, but i think materialism is already a top3 mission

So much QOL and some extra chests on top

[rough pivot]

inner peace probably could get a buff cuz it has 0 synergies

[rotund orbit]

personaly i would prefer cleansing, equilibrium, ult sac, redemption and high roller over it
but thats just cuz materialism runs feel boring

[runic inlet]

redemption with ult sac is kinda eh

[rough pivot]

ult sac is still +2 rr

[rotund orbit]

redemption + ult sac allowed me to do that (the 210 and 176 pull runs were both sub 25 challenge runs)

[rough pivot]

materialism is kinda like permanent orange too

[runic inlet]

The thing with >1 sac is that it is mid on its own but gets good if chained

[rough pivot]

hmmm I wonder how a mission would perform that increased your limit on each beacons by 1

probably not that great of a design

[runic inlet]

that is a free mission

[rough pivot]

mhm

[rough pivot]

also this week might be the week where we see mythic price dropping below 1 LE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1146189433658421329.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[viral solar]

?

I feel like prices are going to go up since lring is becoming worse and worse to do

[rough pivot]

double apoc in pool

immo showed up again too

[viral solar]

oh

i just rr those at this point

[light halo]

Tbf even tho immo is pretty horrible it has some usecases
And i guess apoc has the advantagw of not being able to drop on death

[rotund orbit]

lol you know a mythic is bad when thats its only saving grace

[rough pivot]

so does infidel lol

[rotund orbit]

🥶

[woven edge]

@rotund orbit make new table

[viral solar]

[viral solar]

Also marq definitely could be my fault I told CT we keep asking for reduced mythic rates to have lring “be more fun” for course they only listened to half

[rotund orbit]

It's not just you, it's everyone

[rotund orbit]

Il make a new you

[rotund orbit]

ok done made a new table

@woven edge can you lmk if you are able to view all 3 sheets or only the one the link opens for you ?

[void hornet]

I can view V1 V2 and V3

[rotund orbit]

neat thanks geb

[woven edge]

I feel so empty

there’s no more aot…

[rotund orbit]

😭

im so mad about the ending still

everything was fine ||except now mikasa will be an unmarried widow for the rest of her life||

[woven edge]

the ending was how it should be

[rotund orbit]

meh

[swift basin]

gl

[elder hemlock]

wait is season 2 out?

[rotund orbit]

if yb season 2 you mean the last episode of the series yes (we are way past season 2 atp)

[crude plinth]

Mythic rate before #📫noticeboard message acording to v2 of https://onedrive.live.com/edit?id=28FC4C7424EA0C69!9136&resid=28FC4C7424EA0C69!9136&ithint=file%2Cxlsx&authkey=!AFxZmeD-mNv72g4&wdo=2 is:
1 mythic in about 1551 pulls.
1 shiny in about 31624 pulls.

[elder hemlock]

i had to uninstall one drive because it was stealing files from my game directories

[rotund orbit]

hmm i gota start tracking simulators and insulators as well

should i just track them the same as normal mythics 🤔

[crude plinth]

yeah

[runic inlet]

Just in case they aren't the same, no
But they are probably the same

[crude plinth]

iirc it has beeen states that they the same droprate as mythics but idk how its now

[runic inlet]

They are also on the expensive side of mythics

[crude plinth]

world we live in 1.5 - 2.5 stx is expensive mythic

[crude plinth]

? what now

[runic inlet]

Also first run post nerf, 31/2 simulator

[crude plinth]

track em like shinies

would be nice knowing mythic to augment ratio

[junior kiln]

Damn that looks painful but gg !

[elder hemlock]

so umm the game rocket league by default saves config files to your documents folder which happens to be linked to one drive, and my first solution was to disable one drive but that didnt work so i had to uninstall one drive with a windows debloater powershell script.

because it so happens that one drive doesnt care if you disable it, accessing the folder tree "wakes" it up and continues to sync files.

[crude plinth]

unsync or change config file location. i guess ya already tried those

[runic inlet]

27/3 nothi

[light halo]

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AmkM6iR0TPwoxzBcWZng_pjb-9oO?e=3TnBRW use this link

[runic inlet]

you missed this one!!1!

[light halo]

142p 4rr

[sick canyon]

what’s new pool look like

[light halo]

Didnt see a difference in sky

[sick canyon]

probs old world

[elder hemlock]

214p 4rr -> az bow corkus i had 5rr total but i said 4 cause it took 4/5 rr to get to the az WC1 6:30 pm est

also are we dividing the mythic rr pulls by 2 because theres no way to know exactly when the item was generated? if we are following theory, we need to divide the final reroll the mythic is generated by 2 because we dont know if it was generated at the beginning of the stack or at the end of the stack,

heres an example. 300 pull 5rr run in sky, you get crabs on the final reroll. thats initial opening and first 4 rr = (300 x 5) + mythic chest (300 / 2) = 1650 effective pulls to get to mythic. If we dont divide the mythic chest we are essentially inflating the stats above what it should be.

[sick canyon]

229p 9rr simulator on last roll

[elder hemlock]

nevermind about this. it will all balance out. i realised my math is incorrect and we dont need to divide

[runic inlet]

Yeah but you still saw 1 mythic in those X pulls, not 2 or more

[elder hemlock]

no mythic 341 5rr deep

[elder hemlock]

warp 215 9rr deep

[rotund orbit]

blind burrow jumpscare

[woven edge]

youre a blind burrow

[elder hemlock]

@rotund orbit how did that lootrun go any mythics?

[rotund orbit]

342 3 rr nothing

and sadly i had 0 sacrafices

[elder hemlock]

yeah its atleast 1.8k now they want you to do 2 god runs for a apoc now, but that is a really generous estimate considering we have little data so far

[rotund orbit]

as it should be, a mythic should be hard to get

its probably still not hard enough and its also too late but oh well

[light halo]

Idk i dont like gatekeeping and do like everyone being able to get usable mythics without spending their entire life savings

[viral solar]

Disagree

Mythics should be chase items you have to spend 1+ months grinding for

I basically lost all will to play cause I got like 85% of the mythics within 3 months

It felt pointless af and a spit in my face to my old apoc from before 2.0

[rotund orbit]

the only thing keeping me is my desire to get atleast one of each shiny wand

and i alredy got half..

[viral solar]

Fr I wish I cared about shinys I jus#t don’t tho

[rotund orbit]

i dont care about them a lot either but its the only thing i could fool myself into playing for

[runic inlet]

Mythics as chase items are shit 🔥

[viral solar]

What other chase items are there tho

Besides the new amp stuff

[runic inlet]

"are there" or "can there be"

[viral solar]

Fr the only other reason I lr is if there is like steam jet walkers or something is in pool

[light halo]

for everyone except you id assume you were joking with that statement . . .

[viral solar]

not at all

its suppose to be the most rare thing in the game that youll use for years+ if u play

[runic inlet]

Next xpac comes out and all of them are leveling items at best

[viral solar]

?

[rotund orbit]

I don't remember SE making mythics obsolete

[light halo]

stat scaling stopped for se items

(capped at 100)
but i dont think thats gonna be the case for fruma

[swift basin]

are people still saying that 10 le mythics are good for the game LMAO

[rotund orbit]

erm achsualy 🤓

[light halo]

erm actually

cross message context 🤯

[rotund orbit]

i dont believe in context

[viral solar]

Based im glad I’m not alone thinking that 10 le mythics devalues the item class to a degree that is deeply unhealthy for the game

[swift basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1129915525531701278/togif.gif

[crude plinth]

i hate how i cant tell when people use this sarcastically in agreement or making fun of someone

[light halo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1129915525531701278/togif.gif?width=745&height=642

[crude plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-wybel-orange-wybel-violence-gif-2018189023996475918

I need willpower not to stare at this gif for an hour

[viral solar]

Would you not consider this “bait” to try to get a rude comment from me?

[light halo]

[swift basin]

nope its just a silly image

[crude plinth]

obli just left alone

[rotund orbit]

yeah i couldnt be bothered to screenshot the second row when its just obli

[viral solar]

eek i read that as you trying to mock me even though im agreeing with you?

[swift basin]

nope i meant to mock the other guy, sorry

it's actually a good thing mythics are worthless now. Now, newer players can experience things like EO without spending months and months grinding for a mythic. God bless 2.0.3

[viral solar]

lmao kk

[rotund orbit]

so real and true

how would new players ever handle such difficult content without minmaxed builds...
https://youtu.be/iosDg5jz1RA

[light halo]

oh yeah youre right its so easy so i guess we can remove mythics from the game entirely

[rotund orbit]

you could and the only thing that will become unplayable are guild wars

everything else will be fine

[flint bolt]

so anyone know what the decrease chance for mythics from lootrunnin may be?

[elder hemlock]

97p 5rr no myths

[elder hemlock]

the current guestimate is around 25% rarer

[swift basin]

will the economy ever recover?

[elder hemlock]

hi tealy 😄 i think ur an economist so u should know this

[swift basin]

i wanna hear what you think

since i dont lootrun enough to know the new rates

right?

[viral solar]

lmao

[elder hemlock]

people play wynncraft for awhile and keep some of their mythics, and selling others. if we say its around 50% kept and 50% sold that means 25% of the shithics get past onto the next sucker and then the next over the years.

so it should stabalize after a few months not fix to how it used to be tho

i think prices wont increase or decrease much from where they are right now.

[swift basin]

you should work for like an investment firm or something, that was the fastest and most accurate market deduction ive ever seen

[elder hemlock]

i trade crypto for fun i wouldnt say its an investment but im up 1k and then i sold out so im out of crypto stuff for awhile unless theres a crash 😉

[swift basin]

i was joking that was like pure guesswork

but fair enough

[elder hemlock]

you is allowed to guess in life but ur guess better be right

[elder hemlock]

141 9rr deep to get to gma

[light halo]

Rl gambler is also a wynn gambler 🤯

[light halo]

Did you just get gb mission and farm tine until activating?

[elder hemlock]

i got a lucky 8 pull gb

[queen field]

Makes me wonder what the odds of this was (378 pulls no rerolls)

[light halo]

gimme your luck 😩

[swift basin]

i hope this data helps

[crude plinth]

ah yes the sample size is massive with this one

[pulsar vortex]

ain’t no way you have that randomly saved or smthing lmao

& that was before i knew how LR camps work xd

[swift basin]

nah was just looking thru old convos and thought it was funny

[pulsar vortex]

XD

i was braindead, didn’t know what aquas did so never took them when camps came out, but ik before the nerf and the mission stuff i got a mythic every hour or so

from 10+ hours to 1 was kreizy

it completely destroyed my interest when at the time i thought it was great

[elder hemlock]

104p 5rr no mythic

[elder hemlock]

180p 3rr insulator

[elder hemlock]

140 7rr apoc on final roll (not taking)

at some point in the day i had a run earlier that i forgot to log, it was like 100,4 with no mythic so i kinda just forgot about it. we can say it was like 50-4 cause i honestly forget the pull count.

alright doing my 70 pull starter run

[elder hemlock]

125 4rr no mythic BIG SACRIFICE

[light halo]

118p 3rr nothing

[sick canyon]

92p 3rr nothing

[pulsar vortex]

I did my first LR yesterday since the whole missions got added etc (it’s been a while), 25 pulls 3 rr, sunstar on 2nd rr

tbh it was quite refreshing and it was fun, but can’t say if i’d enjoy it if i played it all day like i used to XD

[viral solar]

Marq my cyst is back 😭

I accidentally popped it myself eek

Doctor time tomorrow:(

[rotund orbit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069667540151844884/1116315469981425684/scary.gif

[rotund orbit]

did you rub the operated spot while trying to shower or how did you manage that

[viral solar]

Ya basically thought the scar issue looked weird and was messing with it too much

[rotund orbit]

bruh

[elder hemlock]

118 3rr 0

[elder hemlock]

58 4rr 0

[elder hemlock]

108 4rr sunstar on 2nd chest (didnt take)

[elder hemlock]

116 3rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

37 7rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

75 4rr still no mythic

[elder hemlock]

130 9rr no mythic

[viral solar]

Bro is the last lr left I swear

I think it’s been 2+ weeks for me now eek

[rotund orbit]

yeah im pretty much only lring when there is a shiny mythic wand i dont alredy have.. nothing else really keeps me remotely interested

[elder hemlock]

97 2rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

87 6rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

72 4rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

60 4rr no mythic

[elder hemlock]

193 5rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

67 6rr no myth

[elder hemlock]

186 8rr stardew on first chest gonna take it

been awhile lol

[flint bolt]

man lr really did get nerfed

[robust kettle]

10 challenges 36 pulls 1 reroll +mythic

[elder hemlock]

121 5rr no myth

[crude plinth]

21p 3rr n

[swift basin]

@elder hemlock @rotund orbit @viral solar and everyone else here

what do you guys think about current mythic rate

[viral solar]

I haven’t lr in 2 weeks now so I need to give it a fair chance but I’m leaning on the side of it being decently balanced, very small sample size but looks like 1/10,000 ish which seems decent to me

[rotund orbit]

same ^^ for the lootruning part

[viral solar]

Again just looking at data I will force myself to actually run this weekend tho

[crude plinth]

not sure what the current rates are

not enough data

[rotund orbit]

speaking of lring, whats the new rotation

[runic inlet]

Propeller hat SE

[light halo]

lootrunning doesnt feel great rn (just gameplay wise, maybe just bc i overdid it before but also at least in some part due to rng hell and pools not having had stuff im super interested in) so have done just a few lootruns since that patch

[runic inlet]

and some good shinies

[light halo]

wtf ok im actually gonna lr again

[runic inlet]

Wars abso SE and mobs cata rodo

[rotund orbit]

any shiny fatals 🥺

[runic inlet]

No

[rotund orbit]

shiny pure? 😢

[runic inlet]

Dew and alka

Are the other 2

[rotund orbit]

dew?

[runic inlet]

Stardew

[rotund orbit]

yuck

[light halo]

se and sky both actually look cool so im gonna do some runs when i have free time and remember

[runic inlet]

Eh sky is okayish

Warp and mid stuff

[light halo]

WARP WARP WARP

[runic inlet]

If only alka had a good tracker

[light halo]

at least you dont have fucking apoc

[runic inlet]

Better than reliks

Anyway probably will run SE if wars don't eat all the wynn playtime

[elder hemlock]

hey tealy i agree with your one suggestion about adding more missions and obviously its a balancing act because we dont want the new ones to be any worse than an equalwobblium god run but we dont want to give them so many pulls they always get a mythic.

[runic inlet]

Kill equilibrium, buff boons

[elder hemlock]

i like the current mythic rates its like 1/2k something not 1/10k like that one person said they are way off...

[runic inlet]

It is very irritating to not have any official numbers. ik it is like a broken record at this point but yah

[elder hemlock]

welp whenever they get around to the mission update, they will fix the aqua mission numbers at the same time, making the icons smaller like a candy crush game.

(hopefully + just speculation)

[runic inlet]

What icons

[elder hemlock]

i hope they add something into the mission gui like a minefield type of game or something to make the mission icons more fun

[elder hemlock]

the texutre pack icons that cause them to not be able to fit more missions in the custom gui

[runic inlet]

Ah well that's not happening

[elder hemlock]

im gonna make a suggestion about this very thing hold on

[sick canyon]

(it won't happen)

[elder hemlock]

I like to make suggestions about things they dont wanna do

[runic inlet]

I mean having more than 5 mission choices would be unnecessary unless we get like 100 missions or w/e

[runic inlet]

20-3 nothing
10-1 nothing
240-2 nothing
280-3 nothing

[elder hemlock]

better luck this time 😄

[runic inlet]

The fact that propeller hat is gone makes me want to off someone

Unless im tripping and it wasn't in

[elder hemlock]

no mythic

[elder hemlock]

36 5rrno mythic

[crude plinth]

12 3 n
20 1 n

[elder hemlock]

73 4rr simulator

[river vault]

does gray stop appearing after a certain point?

[void hornet]

yes it doesnt appear after challenge 30 I believe

maybe not 30 exactly but some time around then and it definitely stops

[river vault]

thnx

[crude plinth]

23 3 n

[viral solar]

nothin

[sick canyon]

100p nothing

[woven edge]

nothing nada nilch

[river vault]

154 pulls 4 rrs nothing

[elder hemlock]

they will own nothing and they will be happy

[river vault]

also 120 pulls 2 rr nothing

and also 76 pulls 3 rr tcrack

[elder hemlock]

[river vault]

just a past pull I'm recording mate

[rotund orbit]

is it from after the mythic rate nerfs

[river vault]

it's from last week

[light halo]

20 1r

[timid quail]

wynncrab

[naive oyster]

That change got implemented weeks ago already

[light halo]

Yeah all previous changes are mostly included if they arent on the forums already

[river vault]

@rotund orbit btw my gray beacon effect that was supposed to halve the effect of purple beacons got removed when I changed classes, is there any fix for this?

[rotund orbit]

no idea ive almost never used inner peace

[river vault]

@swift basin any clue if this is a bug or if there's a way to fix this?

[runic inlet]

This was supposed to be fixed on 2 separate occasions iirc lol

[rough pivot]

same with guild reward bug where it just burns emeralds instead of giving them lol

[river vault]

212 pulls, 4 rolls, nothing

[runic inlet]

20/3 nothing
42/0 nothing
was just fishing for propeller cant be bothered to get good runs with this pool 💀

[viral solar]

New loot pools?

Any fun legendary or rares?

[light halo]

which pool got propeller?

sky?

[runic inlet]

Yes, sky

[elder hemlock]

I want propeller cata build

[timid quail]

propeller morph morph morph morph morph morph morph cata

[runic inlet]

With or without daredevil

[elder hemlock]

78 3 no

[elder hemlock]

32 2 no

[elder hemlock]

48 2 no

[elder hemlock]

no epoch this week sedge

[elder hemlock]

103 5 none

[runic inlet]

Get well soon

[elder hemlock]

144 4 no

[elder hemlock]

100 5 no

[pulsar vortex]

damn either your luck is poop or mythic rates are low asf rn

[runic inlet]

tbf that is not that much epulls total

like 2500 roughly

[elder hemlock]

no worries ill get one from my daily

25 1 no

[elder hemlock]

85 5 az on 1st rr not take obviously

[elder hemlock]

149 5 strati on 2nd rr

[flint bolt]

Seems luck is turning around today sort of

[elder hemlock]

104 4 no sac 75% towards next 🙂

[crude plinth]

9 1 n
4 n
4 n
9 1 n
17 2 n

[elder hemlock]

117 4 no

[elder hemlock]

150 4 strati on 1st rr

[river vault]

keep or take?

I have 58 pulls 7 rr left, @rotund orbit opinions?

[rotund orbit]

Ur colors are so confusing, but anyway I'm a gambling man so I'd keep rolling

[river vault]

yeah I got jackshit

I sacrificed

58 pulls, 10 rrs, nothing

[woven edge]

93/3 singu on second

[elder hemlock]

53 3 no

[runic inlet]

What about enabling comments in the spreadsheet so everyone can just post their results there

And then nothing will ever be missed because you can close the comment once data is added

[elder hemlock]

people will abuse it and falsify lootruns

oh comments yeah comments would work im blind i thought you meant editing the spreadsheet

[elder hemlock]

123 12

idol

5rr deep

[elder hemlock]

52 4 nooo

[runic inlet]

I mean, you can already do that anyway

You could also make a bunch of lists with raw data for each volunteer (all the lists having protection set up to allow only that person to edit it) and then the main list that uses the data lists to calculate stats protected from everyone

[elder hemlock]

106 5 s dawnbreak on first

[light halo]

109 3rr

[elder hemlock]

25 4 none

64 5 none

[elder hemlock]

i can do you one up. make a mod that is heavily obfuscated with beacon counters and pull / rr counters built in and send their lootrun off to the server when they finish as well as verifying the code's integrity.

[elder hemlock]

118 2 no

[elder hemlock]

126 5 no

[elder hemlock]

177 4 no

[elder hemlock]

176 4 no

[elder hemlock]

153 2 cause i ended on highroller complete but highroller didnt proc evn tho i took the purple and it said lootrun complete without giving me the mission

no mythic i feel scammed (btw the 2 rr is from ulti if u dont brain)

[elder hemlock]

154 4 insulator (1st chest)

[elder hemlock]

110 3 rr no

[crude plinth]

78p 5rr n

93p 1rr n

25p 3rr n

[elder hemlock]

i got a guardian earlier from 58p 8rr however i dont rember which rr it was on

i think 5 idk

[elder hemlock]

i got a guardian the other day i think people forgot about this channel. the guardian was around 600 duck if i remember

wait im going crazy it is the same guardian as before dont count that

guy who is updating the lootrun spreadsheet did u add everything cause i think we have a decent sample size now

[crude plinth]

10 times what we have now would be decent

[rotund orbit]

il update it eventualy

lil distracted with a certain game atm

[crude plinth]

clueless

[light halo]

30 5rr

[elder hemlock]

83 3rr

[light halo]

got equi + cleansing + inner peace + high roller

[light halo]

312 1rr monster + insulator

[elder hemlock]

W

[light halo]

5 pulls (jumped onto a void elevator

[elder hemlock]

why does corkus quarry have to do true damage its the only thing that can kill me there 🥹

[elder hemlock]

30p3rr revenent

and good gamble too

9 ids 78 overall

and mana steal doesnt matter BOOM!

[light halo]

14 2rr nothing

[light halo]

reflection bad rr

[swift basin]

how are yall feeling about mythic rates rn

[light halo]

idk dont lr enough that I think I oculd give an accurate opinion but got more time now so ig ill find out

[rotund orbit]

Yeah haven't lootran much either but I saw that shiny fatal was 30 stx so either the mythic rates are nice or people just don't lootrun nearly as much anymore

[light halo]

72 5rr

[elder hemlock]

I got a revenant and rolled good so im happy with it.

[viral solar]

I need to lr more again. It’s just hard for me to want to interact with the missions. I have more fun recently playing rogue likes like Isaac, I find myself saying just wait till they make lring more “fun” again before interacting with it

[naive oyster]

Same im waiting for better days

[light halo]

tbf vomitting meteors is kinda fun

[viral solar]

I play lightbender warp and summoner shaman. The good days seems like they are behind me atm

[light halo]

103 4rr cataclysm

[light halo]

54 6rr

no dopamine :(

[runic inlet]

15/3 miss
16/0 miss
45/4 miss
28/3 miss

[elder hemlock]

You get the dopamine during the lootrun and while opening the chest silly not when u see the purple thing. Seeing the purple thing is the comedown from the high.

[light halo]

36 3rr

[light halo]

40 2rr

[native edge]

96 2rr

[light halo]

73 5rr

[light halo]

i love figuring

[runic inlet]

21/5 miss

[rotund orbit]

ok i have updated the table finaly!!

[light halo]

~1 in 2k doesnt look too bad tbh

[woven edge]

Bad sample size

Womp womp

[rough pivot]

people stopped lootrunning or in most cases caring about this thread

[runic inlet]

People don't know about the thread

Or care

[viral solar]

I care just in a 2 month long burn out

[pulsar vortex]

personally i’ve quit from being burnt out too, returning once fruma is out

[elder hemlock]

its still a sample size none the less

[woven edge]

ok

[rough pivot]

And those who do stopped lootrunning

[runic inlet]

27/5 strati on 4th

[runic inlet]

51/5 miss

[runic inlet]

23/3
26/2

[runic inlet]

48/4 warp (no rr used)

[runic inlet]

42/4

[elder hemlock]

is there anything good in pools

[crude plinth]

two warps and idols

both in molten

[elder hemlock]

so whats the deal with epoch? it hasnt been in pool before except shiny i think?

is it reserved for fruma?

[crude plinth]

was a long time ago

just luck

[elder hemlock]

nah something is amiss with epoch

10strati / 0 epoch suggests more then just luck

[crude plinth]

dude there was same thing with cata until it wasnt

[elder hemlock]

its been 6 weeks since that little issue fixed itself and cata showed up

so 24 more opportunties for epoch to appear

[crude plinth]

epoch aint special, and why would it be

[elder hemlock]

maybe chance is lower or something we dont know cuz we dont have connections at the top

the mythic pools are most likely hand picked. 2 warp and 2 idol and no epoch is wild

they will add epoch when they feel like it

theres no proof that its a "chance" system with an array of mythics and nobody has been able to prove it so believe whatever you want.

also ct saying it is isnt proof 🤓

[crude plinth]

idk man whats their deal with gatekeeping epoch?

there is prob some other mythic thats even rarer but noone cares about it to notice

[elder hemlock]

idk strati isnt special but freedom has appeared about 3x as less and idk the deal with epoch i dont think any mythics are special after using most of them they just do something different to your build.

epoch is one ive never tried and im playing trove until it appears in the pool

[crude plinth]

mythics are special indeed - but pools being handpicked is not convincing

they would prob just balance the rates

[viral solar]

373 with sac idol 3rd rr

[elder hemlock]

somebody spam ping me if theres an epoch in the pool coming up 🫡

[rotund orbit]

🤔

thanks i guess?

[light halo]

Isnt that just a "Gain x curses/boons" dynamic boon when you go negative

[rotund orbit]

yeah but i only had the gain boons to get hpr% boon when i lost a boon so it should have dissapeared entirely

[rotund orbit]

ah i missed lootruning ||(nope i did not)||

got equilibrium challenge at like challenge 15/16 🙂

[swift pebble]

how tf

its been 40+ challenges scince i manged it 😭

[viral solar]

I got equlid on my first run back to lring lol

[rotund orbit]

yay a good run

[viral solar]

278 ish 3 rr nothing

[viral solar]

After doing like 8ish 2+ runs. All between 200-300 pulls. Mythic rates feel good rn. In my opinion. They feel rare enough to be worth it to take but also I hasn’t taken me 2+ months in between mythics like 1.9

I would buff corks and sims to be more common tho

[rough pivot]

75/8 dry

[runic inlet]

17/1 --
12/2 --
12/0 --
13/2 --
8/0 --

[swift pebble]

225/5 dry

[frail sinew]

h

[light halo]

17 4rr

[light halo]

21 2rr

[viral solar]

I wonder what camps people lr at

I like MH the best most of the time

[runic inlet]

cork/sky, but i havent lr in a long while now

[rotund orbit]

i still havent done a single MH run

[viral solar]

For me I like how close all the camps are. Doing long runs becomes nicer with some of the more pvp based camps for my shaman

[runic inlet]

Pvp LRs real

[viral solar]

I just meant the combat focus ones instead of movement based ones

[rough pivot]

doom

206/3 dry

[runic inlet]

40/4
25/3
55/2

[runic inlet]

40/4 lament, skipped

[runic inlet]

65/2 divz on 1

[runic inlet]

30/4
40/2
44/4
55/2
177/4

[runic inlet]

130/4
144/4
163/3
146/2 simu

[runic inlet]

93/2
90/4
80/4 lament skip into lament last roll

[rotund orbit]

God damn

[runic inlet]

19/4
36/4
72/2
69/4
91/6
19/7
44/4 simu

[runic inlet]

50/4
46/4
70/2
83/2
66/6 simu
64/4
69/4

[runic inlet]

69/4
43/4
51/4 obli

yes that is 2 69/4 runs in a row

[crude plinth]

data 🔥

[runic inlet]

24/2
41/4 obli
60/4
50/4
63/2
25/2 divz

[viral solar]

Are loot pools good this week?

Haven’t looked in like 3+ weeks now

[runic inlet]

wars monster in sky

[runic inlet]

50/5
62/4
79/4
124/4
110/4
100/2 fatal
83/2
63/2
79/4
77/2
85/4
106/4 simu

[rough pivot]

you really want that shiny monster

[runic inlet]

122/4
115/4
107/4
102/4 fatal
103/2
78/2
76/4
76/4
66/2
48/7
12/2

[runic inlet]

total of 20388 effective pulls, 14 mythic, no shiny

[rotund orbit]

dang

its quite depressing to come back after a few months just to realise lootruns are as infuriating and unfun as ever

[crude plinth]

they have not changed

[rotund orbit]

makes sense

its like every complaint about lootruns is being thrown into the void

[crude plinth]

well either smt changes in 2.1 or we wait till fruma

[swift basin]

https://tenor.com/view/buttefly-dog-butterfly-dog-собака-бабочка-gif-3477745535671394965

[rotund orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/ak47pumpkin-gif-10274280426098246538

[flint bolt]

lootruns haven't changed but it's more a long the fact that your chances of getting a mythic are much lower than what it used to be\

[rotund orbit]

no not at all

im happy the mythic chances decreased

[flint bolt]

honestly even with the decrease I do enjoy lootruns cause it gives players a more enjoyable option to get mythics compared to just looting chests around the map and waiting 30 minutes

with the chances being like what again 0.01?

[rotund orbit]

its still more fun than old lootruns dont get me wrong

but i absolutely hate some things in the current system, like how you can go 20 challenges without a single blue or orange, how you can go 10 lootruns without seeing equilibrium, how you can spend 10-15 challenges trying to complete one mission because of said blue beacon not appearing

[flint bolt]

it never really was blue or orange for me it was more over when the heck the stupid rainbow beacon shows up

[rotund orbit]

there are so many different RNG aspects that are way too crazy.. like why are inner peace, critual and equilibrium the same rarity if inner peace appears every time, critual is like 1/3 and equilibrium is exodia that appears once in a full moon

[flint bolt]

Won't lie with the chances of not seeing equilibrium I don't see it often but at the same time it is kind of insane if you found like every lootrun

Thing is if I don't find equilibrium than I look for the next best thing gambling beast since honestly gambling beast is an insane item

if you get curses on gambling beast you can literally play a boon run rack up time and get like 10 to 15 rerolls which is honestly op

[rotund orbit]

if i dont find equilibrium i just perish after ~20-30 challenges cuz blue beacon is unreasonably rare and when i do find blue beacons its always offensive boons

[flint bolt]

won't lie at the start blue beacons can get annoying but since I mainly prioritize getting at least 1 to 2 oranges at the start it at least means I'm guaranteed at least one orange or a couple blues later on

since the second you only have 3 beacon options and are on like 10 challenges you're pretty screwed

[rotund orbit]

yup, but if you dont have rainbow and get lucky oranges its quite hard to stack up on oranges

its just a bunch of separate RNG checks that all end up making or breaking the entire run and i hate that

[flint bolt]

won't lie the two most rng parts about lootrunning is the random lootrun missions it chooses from and the stupid rainbow beacon

without the stupid rainbow beacon you don't have a run

[light halo]

isnt it like 1 in 1.5k to 1 in 2k?

[flint bolt]

was mainly meaning from like loot chests

[rotund orbit]

i gota update the list tomorow with all the data from above ngl

[flint bolt]

since wasn't from loot chests aroun 1/142000?

unless loot chests percentage is different in lootruns which I doubt

[light halo]

ye

though thats buffed by lq

[rotund orbit]

is someone tracking loot chest mythic rate o.O

[light halo]

and idk how it interacts with lb exactly (like, if you have enough lb to theoretically roll 50 items, does it only have the mythic chance for the first 27 slots and then only roll ings?)

[light halo]

its on wiki

[rotund orbit]

huh like official stuff or fanmade?

[light halo]

fandom

[swift basin]

keep lootrunning

[flint bolt]

fandom say 1 in 2500 effective pulls for a mythic which I doubt is true

since i've been doing runs with 600 pulls and get a mythic

all I know is I got this yesterday which would be my first ignis

[light halo]

air damage kinda meh

[flint bolt]

air defense is kinda mid but overall I can live with

since the health and both regens are really high

all I know is doing lootruns with an assassin have been working quite well so far

kinda crazy how nullifications are only going for like 6 le for some reason when they're really good for lootrunning

or maybe that's just my opinion

[crude plinth]

btw wynn wiki moved away from fandom

its now https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Wynncraft_Wiki

[flint bolt]

oh

guess i'll take a look at that

[crude plinth]

it moved like a week ago

[flint bolt]

oh

i've been wondering why is ahmsord the only area that has 12 challenges while the rest have 10?

[flint bolt]

forgot what's considered a godrun?

[light halo]

id say anything you can take to 100 without effort

so cleansing ritual + equi mainly

btw 79 5rr nothin

[flint bolt]

cause with a run i'm currently doing I got cleaning ritual, equilibrium, high roller, ultimate sacrifice, which is close to a godrun but didn't get gambling beast

[light halo]

gb would be worse unless you can infinitely delay it (which you cant) because it always takes time evne if that ends your run

so unless you got a lot of pulls from a sacrifice (and can get lots of time) gb isnt really worth it

[flint bolt]

forgot does gambling beast that has where you must take boons affect equilibrium?

[light halo]

id assume it does, never actually tested

(id assume it just looks at whenever you get a boon which includes it)

[flint bolt]

cause i've gotten a case like that once and although it did work I don't know if it works anymore

hmm may need to test that out next time

[crude plinth]

godrun would be cleansing ritual, equilibrium, and both sac boons while taking as much vaqua into vpurple as possible. then repeat this until ya get insane sack pull number into gamblah beast

this will never realistically happen

[rotund orbit]

Rarer than shiny mythics 👍

[flint bolt]

welp that took forever

rip no mythic

[river vault]

hey guys before I make a feedback about adding some chest pity to reduce rng, what do you guys think about chest pity?

[light halo]

Yes

Way better than just buffing nase chance since it makes it more "consistent"/guatanteed to eventually get a reward

Oh wait i thought you meant froggery

[runic inlet]

Wait, why do we want to buff rewards now
Nvm

[light halo]

Is appreciate it, but would have to be on a pretty large scale so it really only helps mega unlucky players + limit mythics in pity chest otherwise you could get pity -> 4 billion pull bullshit for massive mythics

[river vault]

mmm its not a buff but improvement for consistency, like soft pity at 2.5k pulls / chests

and hard pity at 4k pulls / chests

[runic inlet]

Forgery pity already exists anyway
I don't think lr system needs one per se, and it could lead to abuses with pool changes

[sly urchin]

yeah i dont think lr needs a pity system

[woven edge]

just sac more and more...... its basically pity

[elder hemlock]

interestingly i already modeled a function to represent possible chest pity like so:

    /*

    A weight(default 1) is an exponent applied to the slope
    of probability. Values lower than one will induce bias
    towards lower numbers, while higher values produce higher numbers.

    */

    public static Double range(Double x, Double y, @Nullable Double weight, @Nullable String operation) {
        if (weight == null) weight = 1D;
        if (operation == null) operation = "none";
        if (x == null || y == null)
            throw new ArithmeticException("Please provide valid arguments to the random number generator.");

        switch (operation) {
            case "none" -> {
                return Math.pow(Math.random(), 1 / weight) * Math.abs(x - y) + Math.min(x, y);
            }
            case "ceil" -> {
                return Math.ceil(Math.pow(Math.random(), 1 / weight) * Math.abs(x - y) + Math.min(x, y));
            }
            case "floor" -> {
                return Math.floor(Math.pow(Math.random(), 1 / weight) * Math.abs(x - y) + Math.min(x, y));
            }
        }
        return Double.MIN_NORMAL;
    }

if you dont understand math the way it works is you increase the weight over time and as long as weight adds up to the denominator of the supposed chance, you have maintained the same probability.

i said that wrong, weight should add up to x # of rolls to maintain the "supposed" chance of a drop so in the case of a chest opening if the mythic rate was 1/2000 2000 items with a weight of each 1 (1, 2000, 1, "none") you could throw this into a for loop and increase weight over time for each new roll if you wanted chest pity after awhile.

this function is great because you could do linear chest pity, curved chest pity, or pretty much any type or intensity of chest pity you want.

[river vault]

the reason I was thinking about pity wasn't to buff mythic drops but to reduce the chances of someone going for 10k+ chests without getting a single mythic, the chances of that are slim but possible, and a pity system can prevent intense frustration essentially

if there's a pity system, it should start after enough pulls where 90% of people get a mythic already

[elder hemlock]

probability is a delicate beast, code the pity wrong and you screw up the intended chances but code it right and it ends up being a rewarding grind.

if thats what you want, it seems like to best to start ramping up weight after the player has passed the denominator chance for a mythic.

[river vault]

yea, the issue is we don't know the average pulls required for a mythic

and thus here we are

[woven edge]

we basically do

the sample size is large enough to roughly say that mythics are 1 in 2k~ pulls and shinies 40k~

[runic inlet]

From my experience it is 1/1500 and shiny is confirmed 1/40k

[river vault]

mmm then if a pity system were to do a double of that, to factor in bad luck, like soft pity kicks in from 4k and hard pity at 8k and one shiny every 10 (soft pity) - 20 (hard pity) non shiny mythic, that would effectively keep the rates the same, while decreasing the amount of frustrating dry streaks no?

this is just at the top of my head, I havent done any proper probability calcs on this myself yet

[runic inlet]

I strongly disagree with shiny mythic pity because that is just going to create a toxic meta in the long run

Unless you want to reset pity every week, which defeats the point of having it in the first place

[river vault]

mmm maybe shiny pity isnt the best idea then but still normal pity would atleast reduce a lot of frustration

[elder hemlock]

hmm okay so every time a mythic shows up in the pool you can reset the weight to .9 or whatever its going to be from the devs and then slowly every item causes it to go up by 0.0001 so that when its at 2000 items in the pool the new weight is 1.1 and if the player keeps going without seeing a mythic their weight will already be at 1.3 by the time it gets to ~4000 and that is a way higher chance for a mythic. If we increase the weight linearly like this, it should balance out to the old chances but just more consistency after a certain amount opened.

[sly urchin]

i still dont think lootpull chests need a pity system

even if you dont get mythics you still get other valuable items

[elder hemlock]

i dont think it needs a pity system either im just indulging in the idea of one.

its so easy to pull a mythic but thats me and some people have crazy bad luck

and also some people arent chronically online like me so for the people that have real life to deal with, a pity system that displays the current difficulty might be their saving grace.

[light halo]

"confirmed"?

[graceful flower]

if it was just /40k i surely have way more, well it feels like atleast