Economic problem.

[cold helm]

dam u even made a tldr for them

[cedar flower]

I mean my arguments were based of the prices in the tm atm

[brazen ridge]

the problem is that there are only a few mythics you can possibly get so their price drops, instead of the ~50 different mythics you'd get, and the higher rates, so the prices drop

[heavy spindle]

no they were absed off insanity and bs

[grizzled goblet]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[cedar flower]

I wish i was home atm so i could make a ss

[cold helm]

u know most phones can screenshot right?

[heavy spindle]

you are on vaction. shouldnt you be doing anything else rn, please

[cedar flower]

Nah this is way more fun

[cedar flower]

Can't play wynn on my phone

[heavy spindle]

then you must be on shit vaction lol

[cedar flower]

But okey let me get this straight?

[cold helm]

i mean technically im pretty sure i know a way

[cedar flower]

Its almost mid night

[agile garden]

i’ve lost sleep from this update

[cedar flower]

With more than 3 fps

[brazen ridge]

there is a way and its not fun

[cold helm]

u dont need more than 3 fps to take a screenshot of the marketplace

[cedar flower]

But okey explain to me in 50 words, why is the mythic eco crashing bad for the playerbase

For the whole playerbase and not for the 2% of the playerbase

[cold helm]

u cant read more?

[brazen ridge]

deflation zzz

[cedar flower]

Don't wanna wait another 10 min

[brazen ridge]

why is inflation / deflation in general a problem, that would answer your question tbh

[cedar flower]

I mean why is it bad for a game lmao

[brazen ridge]

if theres nothing wrong with deflation or inflation, then theres nothing bad for the playerbase

[cedar flower]

Its not a eco sim game

[brazen ridge]

game economics are very transferable to real economics in both directions

[cedar flower]

Its a mmorpg

[heavy spindle]

its not 2% since Wynn is an old server with high player retention so the new player base is actually way smaller then you would think. And those players who are new will eventually reach the end game and not have a chase item to go for (We dont count shiny mythics). And since the flow of new players into wynn isnt high enough to offset this imbalance. Wynn will slowly dwindle.

[cedar flower]

Eco is just a way to get items to enjoy the other gameplay

[heavy spindle]

There, your short form explantion as to why its bad.

[cedar flower]

Okey idc about the exact % of casual players but why don't we count shiny's?

Aren't shiny mythics part of the eco?

[heavy spindle]

and ignores the entire thing :/

[cedar flower]

I mean who said chasing a item should be hard

If they really wanted to chase a hard item (shiny mythics are here)

[violet jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512005304008048667/1090154848000938105/output-onlinegiftools.gif

[heavy spindle]

that is the point of a chase item???? Bro this kid is actually stupid

[cedar flower]

If you really care about chasing a item, it shouldn't matter what item

[mellow jay]

every mmo ever

[cold helm]

that is like not at all how that kind of stuff works

[cedar flower]

They just changed the item to chase

And you don't like that bc why?

[cedar flower]

Depends on the item

[heavy spindle]

it does when that item is super easy to obtain and once you have those chase items people will start to leave

[cedar flower]

I mean you just decide mythics are the items to chase‽

[mellow jay]

which in wynncrafts case are mythics the rarest and best tier of items in the game

[cedar flower]

Maybe they were before the update, but now the rarest item is a shiny mythic

[mellow jay]

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[cedar flower]

They were indeed but now it changed to shiny mythics

[heavy spindle]

Cobra I have to confirm this. You are under the age of 14 right? This isnt even me trying to be rude Im just actually sure you cant be any older.

[cedar flower]

Answer my question

[rough jacinth]

major stockholm syndom in this thread

[heavy spindle]

"answer my question" as he dodges a question LMAO

[cedar flower]

Maybe for you, but different people have different goals?

[heavy spindle]

that actually slayed me i cant xD

[elfin egret]

its common sense not to tell a stranger on the internet your age ...

[cedar flower]

I am just confused

[heavy spindle]

I didnt ask for their age I wanted to confirm whether they were a kid or not so that if they were I could apologise for being a bit to intense and try and be nice and more understanding

[heavy spindle]

also qhat question?

[elfin egret]

this is directly asking for the age ... or atleast a confirmation thereof

[cedar flower]

Why are shiny mythics bad for chasing items?

[heavy spindle]

yes if they are under the age of 14 that is way to young for me to be yelling at in a discord chat. If they are 15 then well they are still a kid but mainly I just wanted to make sure that I wasnt yelling at some poor kid instead of an adult.

[agile garden]

they don’t do anything

[cedar flower]

They are the same as normal mythics but just rare bc they have a tracker

[heavy spindle]

The shiny aspect doesnt help because they player base agrees that they arent really that cool

[cedar flower]

So what? People in this thread just care about value

[heavy spindle]

like dont get me wrong its a neat idae but they could have been done so much better

[elfin egret]

i think shinys are cool

[cedar flower]

I mean shiny is a good idea

[agile garden]

shinies don’t have any community value that makes them worth more than the actual mythic

[cedar flower]

They increase the value of an item without changing the gameplay of the item

[heavy spindle]

like how about a token that is way rarer than a mythic which you can find that you can apply to any mythic and it allows you to pick a stat to track

[agile garden]

so you might find shinies to be actually cheaper than actual good versions of the same mythic

[rough jacinth]

true! Thats why they are a lot more expensive than normal mythics 🤡

[agile garden]

incorrect

[cedar flower]

My brain

Shiny mythics aren't just cosmetic lmao

They still have the same function as a normal mythic xD

They just have a extra tracker

[heavy spindle]

Nah he has a point. A super high id roll warp would sell for more than a shit id shiny warp

[agile garden]

there isn’t anything that differentiates a shiny collapse than a normal collapse because collapse still sucks

[heavy spindle]

not by a huge amount but still

[cedar flower]

Yeah so why is it bad that normal mythics dropped prices?

There is now a new item to chase

[heavy spindle]

because they didnt do what i just typed

[agile garden]

shinies were supposed to cope for mythic value deflation but it did absolutely nothing

[cedar flower]

But a super high id shiny roll will sell for even more

Am i wrong?

[heavy spindle]

Look man Im pretty sure you are a kid so im sorry for getting angry with you. Its just you really arent listening and its quite frustrating to have this convo two days in a row. I dont think you understand or really want to understand what im saying so lets just drop it alright?

[agile garden]

there are literally 4 shinies in market and they still sell for less than before 2.0.3 prices

[grizzled goblet]

my pov on shiny mythics as someone who loves chase items is that:
-they are technically "rarer" however some mythics are still more expensive than shiny mythics so a very ass chase item 💀
-because shiny mythics are very affordable and at the rate mythics are gotten, there will still anyways just be a bunch of these chase items that should be soo rare
-they don't provide much of a bonus to gameplay lmfao. they have a stat tracker ? ok lol wow! thats awesome!
imo ts just an insanely lazy and boring way to replace normal mythics as being the chase items which says alot about salted and ct and how much they care

[cedar flower]

No? So far i know a ignis wasn't 35 stx

[river raft]

https://tenor.com/view/the-economy-frieza-destroy-planet-economy-gif-22886942

[cold helm]

last i checked shiny collapse is only like 950k idk how many there are on market rn pls tell

[grizzled goblet]

this is the equivalent of seeing an unid stardew up for 20 stacks and thinking that's what they're worth

[cedar flower]

There are only 4 shiny mythics atm and they were all not really good mythics so just wait

[heavy spindle]

this is a really good set of points thank you!

[cedar flower]

They can do it bc there is only 1 on the market

And if there is only 1 on the market it is the value of an item for tbe market

[grizzled goblet]

that does not mean there is only one in existence though and it does not mean they are worth that much

[agile garden]

nobody does corkus lootruns enough like se lootruns which is why there are so many less shiny ignis

[river raft]

14

[cedar flower]

Shiny is a tag for cosmetics, it shouldn't change the gameplay

[cedar flower]

For the market it does

[cold helm]

what price is the lowest rn

[agile garden]

shinies should give more than randomized stat trackers

[grizzled goblet]

???

[heavy spindle]

guys we cant convince them. They dont want to be wrong so they will never listen its not worth it.

[agile garden]

it’s like 4 stx

[grizzled goblet]

also shit i wish it changed the gameplay even just a bit so it would feel like ct actually TRIED at making a replacement for chase items

[river raft]

3stx, there's an unIDed for 5stx tho 💀

[cedar flower]

Thats what is wrong here, this is a thread and you disagree with everyone who doesn't agree with your point. Never start a discussion if you don't wanna listen to someone else

[cold helm]

dam

[empty sandal]

love how you still think you are absolutely right...

[cedar flower]

You don't know what a chase item is than

You guys should all just go back to hypixel skyblock damn

[heavy spindle]

No I actually agreed with people yesterday because they had good points and strong arguments for why I was not right

[river raft]

I have never played skyblock

[heavy spindle]

You do not.

[cedar flower]

I can tell you that i have the same point

[cedar flower]

Dw was talking to the other 2

[heavy spindle]

the same base point yes but any good reason as to why it should be this way

[river raft]

ok but I agree with them not u

[grizzled goblet]

okay , could you explain what a chase item is and why soemthing t hat would change gameplay a slight amount would not be a chase item anymore

[heavy spindle]

dyam xD

[cedar flower]

Nothing wrong with that

[heavy spindle]

yes please do

[cedar flower]

If you really wanna chase a item, it should be for the rarity of an item

Why do you think csgo skins are so expensive?

[heavy spindle]

...

[river raft]

It should also be because the item is powerful, even if it's just by a small amount.

[heavy spindle]

and now mythics arent rare....... so your point is?

[cedar flower]

Shiny mythics are

[grizzled goblet]

okay and whats wrong with a very rare item being slighlty better ? especially in an mmorpg (csgo knives are completely different from wynncraft mythics 💀 )

[heavy spindle]

right but now they arent useful. It should be a balance of better than other items and being rare

[empty sandal]

a mythic can still be unusable

[blissful nova]

Is there a world where these threads don't end in a rant about how "the content team hates the playerbase and never listens to them!"

[heavy spindle]

idek anymore

[violet jolt]

im honestly amazed you have the energy to keep arguing for so long

[cold helm]

same

[turbid sphinx]

how're the unid divzer prices doing

[heavy spindle]

not sure how we got here the first 20ish messages were amazing now its just people like cobra (no offense but also i mean this fully and will not be apologizing)

[heavy spindle]

under two stacks

[turbid sphinx]

i saw this screenshot and i think it's pretty fucking funny

[river raft]

lmao

[empty sandal]

me when ppl disagree with me 😠

[heavy spindle]

unid warp is about to hit under 3

[turbid sphinx]

4 days left of divzer being in the chest btw

[grizzled goblet]

personal previous experiences with ct have made me not very fond of most of them but you are right tbh i will try 2 stop 🙏

[blissful nova]

For the record, Divzer is slightly out of meta right now anyway
(Not that that's the only reason but)

[heavy spindle]

Im fine with people disagreeing with me. it pisses me off when people wont try and see the other side of a debate.

[violet jolt]

acshualy there were like 4 or 5 constructive messages in the first 20 messages 🤓 ||(i know you didnt mean literaly the first 20 messages)||

[cold helm]

dam i wonder if it goes less than 1 stack before lootrun chest reset

[agile garden]

it’s not actually the cts fault

[heavy spindle]

lol

[grizzled goblet]

probably to like 40 le

[agile garden]

there’s a huge disconnect in the entire team

[cold helm]

ye

[grizzled goblet]

we need to be blaming SALTED not ct 💯

[cold helm]

imagine if it goes less than 32 LE

i got 32 LE in one lootrun without getting a mythic

[agile garden]

some idiot decided to release beta early july as the deadline

when that shit should’ve been cooking for another 2 months

[cold helm]

dumbest choice ever honestly

[empty sandal]

mythics are now worth what they should 🙏

[violet jolt]

honestly that 32 LE was better than half the mythics in the pool

[heavy spindle]

well lads id love to stay and lose more brain cells but I just remembered Id rather be doing anything else at the moment

[cold helm]

ik i got a revenant earlier in the rerolls for the chest and skipped it

[heavy spindle]

certified moron honestly

[empty sandal]

elaborate please

[river raft]

I got 18le and skipped it to get a divzer and 24le

[cold helm]

dam

[frail violet]

Sorry you couldnt get to have your echo chamber :(

[cedar flower]

You are the moron for getting 2 hours of your time wasted and giving me some good content

[grizzled goblet]

Me personally i do not think some of the best mythics should be spoonfed to the player

[empty sandal]

they arent though? ie. not every warp is worth the same

sure you can get one for 1stx but its not usable

[river raft]

unIDed warp is 4.5stx...that has a decent chance of good rolls

[empty sandal]

decent is not "spoonfed"

[cedar flower]

Damn my guy really is silent now

[grizzled goblet]

yes it is lol, any generally usable one

a usable great mythic like a usable warp is in fact spoofed to players in my opinion because they are so dogshit cheap

[river raft]

he had to go 🤦‍♂️

spent enough time and lost enough brain cells in this argument

[turbid sphinx]

🎣

[cedar flower]

Yep xD

[river raft]

wat

I'm defending him wdym yep

[agile garden]

can we mald more

id like that

[clever knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/buddy-elf-movie-sick-door-gif-3523314

[grizzled goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-dollar-bills-too-much-money-money-rapping-gif-13899128

https://tenor.com/view/mandem-money-cash-dollars-patel-gif-20130042

[clever knoll]

cant wait for the next random person to waltz in here and say "erm, whats so bad about more people getting mythics?" and we get the whole parade again

[cedar flower]

I mean for me it worked and it was fun

[agile garden]

guys whats so bad about people getting more myhthics

[grizzled goblet]

we just need a megathread or faq type shit where we answer dumb shit like that so we can avoid it 💀

[blissful nova]

Replace all mythics with recombobulators
Mythic Morrowind and TTide are now possible
This will accomplish absolutely nothing, but would also be incredibly silly so

[onyx zodiac]

you know, for as much as bad the situation it seems, it's not like we didn't knew it would end up like this, and neither did ct, beside we have already seen that in the past if there is a big problem ct and admins immediatly take action, but in here? they barely did anything, so I'm starting to wonder if they did it intentionaly

if they are intentionaly lowering mythic prize

[agile garden]

i didnt think it would be this bad

[onyx zodiac]

everyone who went to hb saw how common mythic would have been

[agile garden]

i assumed it was just like 1% higher rates like the forgery they tried to push so hard

[coarse leaf]

unid warp is already going for 4 stx 💀

a bad spring is worth 12 LE

[agile garden]

yeah but they only had hero beta for 1 week

[coarse leaf]

what the fuck is happening

[agile garden]

they released hero beta immediately

[onyx zodiac]

ye, but the first thing everyone, everyone said was "make mythics harder to find"
everyone knew it

[agile garden]

it wasnt even 1 month i expected 2 months in the works

[coarse leaf]

in hero beta people thought that they buffed the odds to check the new lr

[onyx zodiac]

it wasn't something unknown of or unheard from, salted probably has heard it as well from some of ct

[coarse leaf]

noone tohught the odds would stay as ridiculous on prod

[agile garden]

people were okay with the funny rates because they thought it woudlnt make it into live

no game dev was willing to kill their cultivated mmorpg economy like that

[onyx zodiac]

ye but everyone said, here in constructive feedback I have seen like a couple different post talking about that, and ct were active on those

no i think they are doing it on purpose for some reason, the only thing i can think about is to lower certain mythic prize in order to allow player to do more wars

[coarse leaf]

this will just make people who grinded mythics or bought mythics for massive stx quit the game

[agile garden]

ct have like 0 power on decisions

[onyx zodiac]

without nerfing wars

[agile garden]

ive seen requests just get denied from so many ct because no

[onyx zodiac]

ye so the "higher up" don't want to lower mythic prize

but they are aware of the situation, so they must have a good reason for it

either they wanna introduce something new, but there is no point in doing that, or, the one i think, thye wanna make wars and guilds stuff more accessible to people

(btw this conv came out from Imp[the guild]'s discord)

regardless, let's hope for the best

[grizzled goblet]

some legendaries are really finna be worth more than mythics soon bruh

yall seen dark shroud, ephemeral, aquamarine, leict, etc prices ??

and aleph null n shit

[polar egret]

I can see the reality of trading divzers for godly capricorn at this point

[faint dock]

I traded a 92% capricorn for 70k in 1.20. Now i can just trade it for mythics

[last meadow]

Fixing inflation one step at a time

[loud stone]

you are missing the point where after a few rotations its gonna be useable, probably even a good one for 1 stx

[normal idol]

Nice

[loud stone]

at the end of the rotation its gonna fall to like 2 or below and after 3 or 4 rotations of warp then what

after a year then what

10 le warp?

[lavish sundial]

You will make it worse by reducing the pool

[normal idol]

#🔥announcements gg

[river raft]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

BASED PATCH

will market recover though...

I guess less emerald pulls will help with that

[lofty mortar]

yes

[pulsar notch]

😔

[loud stone]

man you were the one talking about how mythics were fine

[lofty mortar]

actually at one point frozen earth conceded that mythic rates probably need to be adjusted but they most likely wouldn't

[loud stone]

oh mb bro

[hidden plover]

thank you for listening salted

[river raft]

and possibly thank you tealy for convincing salted

[heavy spindle]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WOOOOOOOO :D

[river raft]

YOU ARE OUR SAVIOR

[heavy spindle]

I just said what needed to be said. It was all of you that gave it the attention. So thank yourselves not me!!! :D

[agile garden]

https://tenor.com/view/syndrome-too-late-the-incredibles-gif-11570586

[heavy spindle]

:)

[river raft]

inb4 salted spawns in LE and buys all the warps

instant fix

[acoustic crow]

Tbh that is like the only way, dupers come out and clear tm again please!

[faint dock]

Time to grind lootruns like my life depends on it

[frail violet]

this thread is what ruined wynncraft.

gg

[violet jolt]

Kinda sad god runs might be dead

Mythic rate being low is fine but I want my god runs 😭

[river raft]

kinda sad but fair

max white beacon is now +50

max grey +10

[violet jolt]

Wait so even a +7 orange can't override the aqua nerf?

[river raft]

guess so

[violet jolt]

Well atleast I have a god run paused from last night so I can enjoy that one last time

[river raft]

I did a god run earlier but rewards got voided cuz I didn't open chest immediately

and thats actually intended 💀

[upbeat moss]

make zhight money the offical currency

[violet jolt]

tf?

[river raft]

nah gold bar superiority

[violet jolt]

so i cant go to lutho to sell the items in my inventory or anything

[river raft]

well its like 5-10 minute timer, you don't have to open immediately

but still 💀

wait just realized salted is on this thread even though he never said anything whaaaa

means he followed it I guess

[violet jolt]

well maybe

tealy pinged salted so idk if salted actualy read anything here but im sure tealy gave salted a tldr regardless

[lofty mortar]

just hit a god run

on a fresh server they still work

[violet jolt]

what kinda god run

[lofty mortar]

I mean it was like a higher tier 126 rewards 10 rerolls

I don't think like 200 reward runs are possible anymore

[violet jolt]

i assume you used some red's to increase?

[lofty mortar]

yes I used all of them

[violet jolt]

well thats still pretty good

[lofty mortar]

think I could get higher if I aqua boosted more greens instead of so many reds

It's definetly way more complex now

which isn't bad

[violet jolt]

you aqua boost red or green ? 🥶

[lofty mortar]

I mean what else do you aqua boost now that your capped for 2 on any beacon

you aqua boost your white, and your grey

[violet jolt]

simply get aqua aqua rainbow aqua aqua grey and prosper

they should make vibrant rainbow do 3x effect to compensate for these nerfs

[lofty mortar]

also with my pulls I didn't see a mythic or much of any le

[violet jolt]

well warp value might be fucked but atleast idol should be fine

[lofty mortar]

half a page of warps is already gone

[violet jolt]

huh

[lofty mortar]

we were past 2 pages of warps and now look on tm

[river raft]

and unIDed is now at 10stx

[tropic widget]

Three thousand replies

I wonder what happened in here

[river raft]

epic stuff

actually there was some not so epic stuff

cough Cobra cough

[violet jolt]

wow it actualy recovered that fast

inb4 salted actualy spawned LE to fix the prices himself

[lyric finch]

Whats the current mythic rate rn?

[lofty mortar]

Im really curious what happened to the 36 ish warps that disapeared

[lyric finch]

after nerf

[violet jolt]

as if we knew the rate before nerfs in the first place

[lofty mortar]

it'll be hard to know until lots of people put in runs I did 1260 pulls w/o a mythic so far

but that can just be chalked to bad luck for now

[violet jolt]

you'll never know unless salted comes out and sais mythic drop rate is X%

[lyric finch]

is it still very high

[river raft]

the mythic drop rate is 0.24768% (real)

[hidden plover]

honestly a pretty good idea tbh

god runs will still exist but extremely rare

[violet jolt]

yeah imo god runs shouldnt have been killed cuz they are fun in onthemseleves, just further reduce mythic droprate if needed

[grizzled goblet]

HOL FUCK im so happy with these changes

now all the mythics that have been in the cycle so far have to readjust their prices but im interested to see how much the next cycles' mythics will drop n stuff

i owe an apoloogy to salted Thank u 🙏 🙏

and thank u 2 this thread 🙏 🙏

[grizzled goblet]

💀

[cedar flower]

I mean the other problem now is that the mythics that haven't been in the lootpool before will skyrocket

[grizzled goblet]

well, skyrocket back to their original price

[cedar flower]

Bc there is like no good way of getting these mythics with the current state lr

[grizzled goblet]

and the current mythics will go up too just not as much as the rest

[cedar flower]

No i mean way past their original price

[violet jolt]

yeah warp is alredy at 10 stx unid i think

[cedar flower]

But i bet whenever it happends this thread wouldn't care bc its just more profit for you guys

[lofty mortar]

yeah I think this is a huge issue, I was thiinking about making a thread about that. 40 of the 51 mythics aren't being generatred anymore

[violet jolt]

unfortunately i was too busy enjoying the new lootruns that i forgot to buy a few unid warps to profit (i planed to do it but just forgot mid lootrun)

[cedar flower]

^^

[grizzled goblet]

Ermm so guys not to plug but #1129827951035289604

[violet jolt]

yeah we need rodoroc/syk island lootrun camp as well for more mythic pool

[lofty mortar]

I mean that could be months a way, I feel like bringing back the random box is a good fix

[grizzled goblet]

i agree that wouidlk be nice

[lofty mortar]

feels bad to predicate the fix of an issue on a pressumed update

Think I'll throw up the thread. Another solution is to populate the chests more during the lootrun, or perhaps change yellow to be a passive lb effect on all your chest during the run to make them more filled

[violet jolt]

you alredy get full chests in long runs anyway

pov: me with 500% LB and 300% LQ boons

[grizzled goblet]

couldnt this just mean that lootrunning norrmal chests is an option now ? (even trhough idk how comparable it is to lr camps atm because i havent tried the new patch)

[lofty mortar]

normal chest will never be able to compete with lootruns, they might as well not exist

I mean they make non pool exclusive mythics, but you can loot them 2-3 times on a given cycle and than 1/5 mythics still would be overlapped with the current pool

[grizzled goblet]

o duh i forgot about the mf cooldown

[lofty mortar]

Also if a mythic were to not be in the chest for half a year it might become hyper inflated

[grizzled goblet]

its dumb as shit imo buff normal chests or sum and add more mythics to the loot pool

[lofty mortar]

missing a 1/5 10-11 times in a row is likely

[grizzled goblet]

make a thread bout that shit

[lofty mortar]

I am

[grizzled goblet]

staff were pretty quick to action about this recent patch so who knows 🤷‍♂️

[lofty mortar]

Just organizing my thoughts for the initial post

[lyric finch]

congratulations! this complaining caused a huge overnerf and now no one's getting mythics!

[coarse leaf]

idk man, I've just rerolled revenant into divzer

it was a 2h run tho

[violet jolt]

and i got 6 LE out of this run

[coarse leaf]

oof

rip

[turbid sphinx]

adjusting a feature from the bottom up is a much better way of avoiding adverse side-effects

almost like that's why beta exists

gee i wonder how this scenario could have been circumvented

[coarse leaf]

truly a conundrum

[pulsar notch]

💀 hear me out they should buff mythic rate back to the old rate

[coarse leaf]

Salted: Buffs mythic rates again
Wynncraft community: Masterful gambit, sir

[pulsar notch]

it would be the salted gambit and I would love it

[coarse leaf]

they'll probably fiddle with the rates 1 or 2 more times in a shadow patch

ngl, if we take the old mythic rates as an example: if you are lootrunning, you'll be doing 200 chests per hour, not counting the 25 mins to switch to a new world. you could do 300 chests if you are a lr pro and very fast. that would be 7-10 hours of lootrunning per mythic on average. the current rates are ok lmao, people just got used to broken rates

you shouldn't get a mythic every 200 pulls or so

the average for forgery is also at around 1 mythic every 15 hours (depends heavily on how fast you are, this is assuming 60 runs avg and 40 minutes per run, which is already pretty fast)

so the current rates feel ok, not too broken like before while also higher than both old lr and foregry

[glass condor]

so they nerfed both the droprate and the rerolls now

I sugested do one of them

[coarse leaf]

you can still get a run with 10 rerolls

if you have rainbow -> aqua -> aqua -> gray

[glass condor]

that does require extreme luck thou

[coarse leaf]

and gray beacons aren't that rare

[cold helm]

ye especially having to do that by apparently the 7th challenge

[glass condor]

there is 1 gray per run right?

[cold helm]

cuz apparently grey doesnt appear after or something

[coarse leaf]

you need to get lucky in the beginning, but if you get something like 2 orange beacons near the start, you'll be almost guaranteed to get this if you cycle your reds + greens well and maybe throw in a white beacon

[glass condor]

alo the less emrald rewards makes also the mythics fall in price again so

[coarse leaf]

idk man, got 32le offered on 1st rr today

it doesn't feel like that bad of a nerf

it got nerfed hard, but it's still way faster than old lootrunning lol

we have to wait until mythic prices stabilize again to see how it plays out fully

they should buff old lootrunning to be at the same lvl as before though

[glass condor]

aslong as you can get the mythic thats in the chest in the week its in its good

I mean numbers would have been nice in the patchnotees no idea how it actually is

[coarse leaf]

the thing with wynncraft is, they never give us the raw odds. if they did, we could provide more accurate feedback

I feel that getting a mythic somewhere around once in 750 pulls would be a good spot

750 pulls is like 5-6 hours of lootrunning, not great, not terrible

[lofty mortar]

750 pulls/mythic is too damn high

[glass condor]

it sounds good to me

[agile garden]

higher than old lootrunning

in 1.20

old lootrunning people went 10k chests no mythic

[lofty mortar]

I mean so even if I am doing quick runs you average 2 rerolls and 13 pulls a run in 8-10 minutes meaning under 5 hours with minimal effort, good effort pushes it down to 2-3 hours for 750 pulls

[glass condor]

its hard to say what 10k chests really is wsith lootbonus pathing and the competitvness

also depends what chests you opened

[solid loom]

dont forget that normal chests still drop mythics too

imo at least 1 per 1000 is fair

[violet jolt]

^^ i got a gaia monster and a divzer in about 20 hours of doing lootruns in SE

from normal chests

[lofty mortar]

I've only gotten 2 but a lot of time ignore the lb/lq beacons and I also used to try and do shorter runs with really high rerolls

[violet jolt]

yeah i prefer long runs with as many boons as possible especaily LB LQ

[glass condor]

since the chests take so long to refill the yellow beacons feel bad

also I really want the mythics shown, not another pair of boots

[lofty mortar]

yellow beacons are bad boons should only be a power up, yellow should do lb/lq

[grizzled goblet]

exactly lmfao

i got the same amount of mythics in like 3 days of lr camps as i had gotten from lootruning around like 30k chests

and loot cooldowns and shit worlds come into play there too

atleast now ill be excited when i find a mythic lol

[violet jolt]

^^ and the process of getting a mythic isnt frustrating and boring at the same time

[grizzled goblet]

this is still a clear update to the old system

[coarse leaf]

I would appreciate if both the old and new systems were viable at the same time, giving mythics at similar rates, so both people who like clicking chests and fighting mobs playing around beacon RNG can do what they like. I personally enjoy both in a different way, so I would welcome it

[violet jolt]

i imagine it would be quite hard to balance both ways equaly

[coarse leaf]

indeed it would

that is why this update should have been a bit more thought out and rigorously tested

at least we've avoided an econonomy collapse by a hair's width

[ornate geode]

the amount of people who have come into this thread to demonstrate their complete lack of financial knowledge is shocking

[normal idol]

Uh... erm... hm.... the economy

[river raft]

https://tenor.com/view/icedcave-economy-gif-19570129

[cold helm]

https://tenor.com/view/bridget-guilty-gear-bridget-guilty-gear-shiggy-wiggy-gif-26441575

[river raft]

uh oh, the amount of warps went up and the price for unIDed dropped a bit

[grizzled goblet]

what is unid

[river raft]

8stx51le

[grizzled goblet]

dats not that bad

[river raft]

yeah its not bad

but it went down since earlier today

[grizzled goblet]

no idt so ive seen unid warps for like 8 or so today

[river raft]

there was definitely a point earlier where lowest was 10stx

[grizzled goblet]

were people really buying tho ?? i doubt it idk

[normal idol]

I wonder if mythic prices will continue to go down

[glass condor]

for every new mythic apearing in the chest definitly

those still will go down

[normal idol]

Can we get warp in the chest for 2 days in a row that would be pretty funny

[glass condor]

currently lootrunns feel not very fun

[faint dock]

I think shorter lootruns are more fun than longer runs. Long just go on forever, plus the feeling of only getting only 2 le for a 2 hour run is horrendous.

[glass condor]

the thing is now you are pretty much forced into long runs if you get lucky enough early

[faint dock]

I know, shorts run just feel better due to how much quickier they are.

[cold helm]

idk i like the long ones

[glass condor]

I liked the option of both

now its more do short runs until lucky

than extend that allot

[last meadow]

What changed?

[glass condor]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/2-0-3-hotfix-1.309482/

this and that you can't get gray beacon after 10

[normal idol]

The gray beacon change is the weirdest part I think

[glass condor]

yep, yep it is

[normal idol]

Pretty wacky to hard limit it like that

[violet jolt]

it really is, every run just gets decided in the first few challenges with no going back

[glass condor]

its not fun anymore

[violet jolt]

and its a shadow change too which is just 🥴

[glass condor]

Blue, Purple, Yellow beacons appear indefinitly (yellow is also bugged for caves)
you get 10 Green, Red and Aqua beacons and aquas only stack 2x times
you get 2? Orange Beacons
there is 1 Rainbow, Dark Gray, White, and Gray Beacon the gray beacon can't appear after 10 challenges
so to really minmax runs you would need rainbow, Double aqua into gray before 10

so its literally reset if you haven't gotten good beacons in the first 4 challenges

[violet jolt]

yeah dont tell the playerbase in the patch notes about important changes! let them figure it out after wasting hours and hours of lootruning untill they realise it

[glass condor]

#1130695160121004176

[solid loom]

Leave it up to wynncraft to do the most random impactful change for no reason and not tell anyone

The players will figure it out eventually we dont need to tell them 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Oh whats that somebody got screwed over by the change? No problem. They will figure out eventually 👍👍👍👍👍👍

Very good game design, very smart 👍

[glass condor]

well there where complaints about the economy so they jsutmade the lootrunning so bad no one wants to do it anymore

that fixes it right?

[clever knoll]

sorry guys, how can we fix it?

[violet jolt]

nah its still not bad at all

its just anoying that such an important nerf wasnt mentioned thats all

[glass condor]

it is really bad imo

[violet jolt]

its really not if we compare to pre 2.0.3 mythic rates

[glass condor]

its jsut restart restart restart restert

I am talking the fun of the lootrun itself

its not fun restarting each time because rng is not with me

[violet jolt]

ah well if its just about the fun then yeah that part is a little anoying

[glass condor]

like its a tripple nerf

the mythic chance down is fine, aqua stacking was a problem, but yeah espaclie the gray disapears after 10 is jsut not fun

[violet jolt]

the only nerf that is anoying is the gray imo

everything else is acceptable

[glass condor]

yeah the rest is fine I guess

but yeah the gray one is jsut a step to far

would also in general to be nice to start with 3 beacon options

since getting a good run is extremly dependent on orange

^

also currently rerolls are bugged and you can stack more than 2 aquas

and well still fix yellows

but those are bugs so thats aleast acepeable

[violet jolt]

I don't see how that's a bug

[glass condor]

you can get more than 2 aquas

[violet jolt]

Yes why wouldn't you

[glass condor]

did you read the patch notes?

[violet jolt]

Yes did you read them properly

It says that you can't get more than 2 in a row nothing about being unable to reroll into another aqua

[glass condor]

thats literally getting them more than 2 times in a row

[violet jolt]

No

[glass condor]

yes

[violet jolt]

You get aqua - aqua - no aqua - aqua. How is that 3 in a row

[glass condor]

because you can stack 3

[violet jolt]

Oofc you can stack 3

The patch notes doesn't mention stacking?

[glass condor]

I am pretty shure they wanted to make it imposible to stack 3

I can only go by intentions here

[violet jolt]

What some CT says and what salted does are two different things

[glass condor]

I mean we did notice the patchnotes are not acurate so

no idea if its a bug or not, I jsut think it is

[violet jolt]

Well I don't

[glass condor]

I sitll feel like that needs to be clarified

[violet jolt]

As far as I'm concerned you can do aqua aqua rainbow aqua aqua reroll aqua aqua reroll aqua aqua and that still isn't a bug

If they actually come out and say it's not intended then that's just a wording issue on salteds part

Which as you said is possible considering the gray beacon incident

But I'd like to believe that this is not the case with aqua

[glass condor]

I personally did't evaen think of rerolling for aquas

but yeah we will see

[grizzled goblet]

from what i see so far:
-buff yellow beacons
-buff gray beacon chance
-buff orange beacons (?) (or make it so you get 3 beacon options default as like a grandmaster reward or something)
-buff normal chests (alot)

in my personal opinion nerf the buffs mobs get after every challenge (but if you do that you'd probably have to nerf boons too)

[lofty mortar]

think having a 3rd beacon fixes the beacon chance issues

you onlu need 1 orange to do some cook runs starting with 3

the problem is that 1-2 oranges is neccessary to get in your first 4 challenges

or your run is gonna suck

[grizzled goblet]

yeah thats basically what i mean by buffing gray chances

[last meadow]

Was salted high

-dark gray nerf (eh, just was a better purple)
-removal of aquastacking (one of the only actually fun parts of camps)
-lowered mythic chances (my guy inflation was getting so fixed)

Removing the parts that come the closest to being fun

[loud stone]

cope

[grizzled goblet]

we have gone through this bro lowering mythic chances again is good, and most mythics are still relatively low compared to what they were before
the lowered mythic chances was NOT one of the bad things from that hotfix 😭

[last meadow]

At least it fixed the inflation from tna

[violet jolt]

dark gray got buffed
removing aqua stack is eh but its fine
the inflation was becoming a massive deflation so it was not getting fixed

[last meadow]

Also no i have not gone through this lmao

[loud stone]

stupidest thing ive ever heard

whats the point if mythics drop 85%

[last meadow]

Did 5 to 3 only affect curses?

[last meadow]

Thoughts on the people who got masters before mythics

[loud stone]

i got to grand master before mythic

[grizzled goblet]

master lr rank ?

[loud stone]

but the drop rates were still way to high

[violet jolt]

lootruns arent good before master so duh

[loud stone]

once you knew what you were doing you could guarentee a mythic every run

[violet jolt]

yeah only curses were reduced

[last meadow]

Aquastacking and finding mythics are like the only parts that come close to being fun

[grizzled goblet]

i mean you have to unlock rainbow beacons n shit to get the highest chance of getting mythics, and they come after a few rank ups so of course 💀

[loud stone]

just like getting free cash irl, but your rarely gonna get free cash, ofc broken things will be fun for a while

[grizzled goblet]

reduced mythic chances is MUCH more healthy for the game

eating junk food is fun but in excess you will get obese and die

[upbeat moss]

i still can stack aqua 3 time somehow

[violet jolt]

you can stack it 8 times if you get abysmaly lucky

[last meadow]

And if you don't eat it at all that's also an issue

Idk i personally rather have average mythics around 1 stx then 13

[violet jolt]

[grizzled goblet]

Okay for you personally you would have mythic at 1 stack but me personally I would not 🙏

[loud stone]

💀💀💀

[lofty mortar]

the average mythic at 13???? are we playing the same game?

[pulsar notch]

average mythic at 1 😻

[last meadow]

Before the new camps mythic prices were wild

[glass condor]

I just want a good run finally

still going strong?

[river raft]

there's almost 3 pages of warps again 💀

unIDed price is still fine at 10stx

[pulsar notch]

ugh
when ks it going to fall to 6

[river raft]

hopefully never

[pulsar notch]

i want my eat the rich update..

[river raft]

It’s not about the rich. It’s not good for the economy for the prices to be that low

[glass condor]

that they nerded the amount of liquids in chests at the same time is oof thou

[river raft]

yeah can’t believe they gave the amount of liquids in chests a 🤓

please Salted stop nerding the chest loot

[glass condor]

for me who dosn#t got a mythic drop so far its my pitty to eventually buy one

[pulsar notch]

it’s literally about the rich
to everyone else the economy exploding doesn’t really affect them

[lofty mortar]

player interaction with the market happens constantly, most people care about their country's economy yet they only interact it in very minimal ways like being things at shops, etc. I wouldn't say rich people only are affected by the market in the real world lol, and this same concept extends to wynn.

[loud stone]

this is literally the most stupid take ive ever seen

[glass condor]

comapred to a real economy you can play wynn wihtout itneracting with it

but yeah its good when mythics aren't compeltly worlhless

[violet jolt]

it will actualy affect poor people as well in the long run

"oh i found a warp in a chest yay cant wait to be unable to sell it for 2 stacks"

[pastel estuary]

tell that to the people in my guild who started playing 2 weeks ago and have warp now

[glass condor]

the only thing in wynn that requires tonnes of currency is rerolling and getting bank pages

[pastel estuary]

that was... incredibly stupid

[pulsar notch]

I feel like that doesn’t have to be a bad thing..

[loud stone]

[pulsar notch]

if everything crashes then you can trade the warp for another mythic can’t you

[pastel estuary]

oh right. guy didnt even know what warp was. never had a chance to crave it. a game without rare or sought after items

please dont make this conversation worse

[pulsar notch]

shiny

[loud stone]

bro even tealy reacted with a facepalm

[glass condor]

I think not getting enough emeralds form the loot runs is more of a problem

[loud stone]

your take is absolutely crazy

[lofty mortar]

yeah it was too much before, maybe too little now you can easily go hours making 2-6 le

[glass condor]

but money making methods in wynn where always a bit ehh

[pastel estuary]

10min run got 12le 💀

[loud stone]

the grey nerf was def unneeded tho

[pulsar notch]

that’s called good luck

[violet jolt]

a guildie got warp + half a stack LE in a 15 pull so yeah rng be like that (after nerfs)

[loud stone]

thats the point, sometimes you make alot sometimes you dont

[cold helm]

dam who

[pastel estuary]

yeah unless you get a rainbow extremely early you probably will never stack 2 vibrant aquas on a vibrant grey (which is only 10 rerolls, not even that much), because greys only up until 10 challenges is crazy

[violet jolt]

i actualy dont remember lmao, i just remember someone saying it a few times in chat

[cold helm]

lel

[violet jolt]

have faith!

[cold helm]

i just discovered it is 8:50 am

i got distracted from time for 6 hours somehow

[pastel estuary]

guildie here got weathered + 24 le today, then opened an apoc from the cave chest 💀 its not that uncommon

[glass condor]

I sitll haven't gotten a mythic from the chest yet so

and I ran before and after now, my hours are increasing

for everyone with good luck there is someone with the opeside

[violet jolt]

you havent really had any good long runs iirc ?

[cold helm]

imagine the increase is from 10 to 11 cuz why not mess with us

[glass condor]

not yet no, I mean the patch killed it

but I had a ton and ton of short runs

[violet jolt]

not really ive had 3 runs with over 400 effective pulls since the nerfs

[glass condor]

yeha no idea how people do that

[lofty mortar]

ancedotal evidence is horrible, I've gotten 3 mythics in the 1848 pulls of this run should we nerf mythics again because i got lucky?

[glass condor]

I mostly get 2 rerolls

[loud stone]

like i said, lootrunning is meant to be rng based, sometimes you have a great day sometimes you dont, if you want consistent le go grind tna or profs

[glass condor]

you said day this has been my week

[pulsar notch]

rng based doesn’t have to mean 1 morbillion luck needed to get the perfect rainbow orange aqua sequence

[pastel estuary]

thats not my point. the point is someone above shared anecdotal evidence, then I had something similar to share. It seems not uncommon since we can all agree we know someone that got it. It may happen to ourselves in the near future

[glass condor]

my firend got each like 2 mythics but they been grining they ass of and that was pre patch

[pulsar notch]

wow guys I got an idol from forgery chest we need to nerf forgery!!!!3!5!54!!2!24!!5!4

[pastel estuary]

Mythics are definitely rarer now. I can tell because I knew one ton of people getting 7+ mythics in 3 days

[violet jolt]

grinding their ass off pre patch and onl;y 2 mythics ? sounds like they also didnt know how to lootrun properly

[loud stone]

i mean like i also said, the grey nerf was unneeded

[glass condor]

not many knew, its not like it was super obvius

[pastel estuary]

but the situation now is far from what lootrunning was before. I'd go 5k dry get no mythics for days

[glass condor]

I mean tbh we can't compare to anything pre patch anymore

[violet jolt]

it was quite simple really

one glance in discord and you would figure out how it all works

[loud stone]

you could guarentee yourself a mythic every run with just a little luck if you knew what you were doing

[glass condor]

not everone is on discord all the time

[violet jolt]

i said one glance not to stay all the time

[glass condor]

but yeah old patch dosn't amtter anymore

I hope with the reverting of gray it paddles a bit back

[violet jolt]

and you were in discord all the time complaining about even old mythic rates being low and it turned out that you simply didnt know how lootruning worked

[glass condor]

I haven#t eaven unlcoked rainbow till them, but tbh unlocking rianbow is a lot of time investment already

[violet jolt]

no

[glass condor]

it is

[loud stone]

it is not, i did it day 1

[violet jolt]

i had it after 12 lootruns all between 15-25 minutes long

[glass condor]

I took me 2.5 days to get to rainbow

thats allot

[violet jolt]

i dont want to be that guy but... ||skill issue||

[glass condor]

yeah I did't want to go itno a update and minimax directly

[loud stone]

bro thats not even min maxing

[glass condor]

people just went did SE over and over with like their maxed mage other super fast class build

[loud stone]

i know people in morph who did it day 1

[glass condor]

yeah some people figured it out early anyway

it dosn't matter anymore I am still anoyed I haven't gotten a single mythic so far

because rng said no

[loud stone]

just how it is

if you want consisteny money go do tna, although the grey nerf was stupid

[glass condor]

and now I am waiting for the patch and looking on a different class to run

[violet jolt]

so you are mad that you got no mythic

[glass condor]

yeah naturally

[violet jolt]

but you arent willing to "minmax" for that mythic in the first place?

[glass condor]

I did't know and when I wanted it was patched

[loud stone]

it took me till grand master to get my first mythic even in old patch

bc i thought a 25 pull 3 rr run was good

[glass condor]

it naturally feels bad when you know how op it was than you know the tactic and when you wake up there is a patch

[loud stone]

thats like saying a building was looted and you feel bad for missing out, it wasnt suppose to be that high in the first place

[glass condor]

whats suposed to be dosn#t matter in that case, its not like people got ther stuff removed for that time

[loud stone]

and its not like the looters had to return their stuff

doesnt mean anything

[violet jolt]

either way you can only be mad at yourself for what you've missed out

if you really want the rarest item in the game you should be willing to put the time to research how to get it more effectively

[glass condor]

eh

its not rare its random

[violet jolt]

random with a low chance = rare

[loud stone]

what do you think rare drops are

random with a low chance

[glass condor]

its mostly the gray beacon thing is really am anoyed about atm

[violet jolt]

well yeah that is anoying but salted confirmed a buff anyway

[glass condor]

yeha I know

[glass condor]

I am getting anoyed eaven getting a good one run in the first palce currently

that was on the time requiment more

anyway

I really jsut wnat to make one of the builds

[edgy fox]

I mean tbh what did everybody expect. Y’all made this thread to get lootruns nerfed and when they got nerfed everybody lost their shit?

[turbid sphinx]

yes, because the state of lootruns has to be either "broken" or "shit"

what even is the point of this message

[edgy fox]

The point is that they tried to put in shiny myths as a contingency for this but it was just too much for the community. So they give the community what they want and we still complain. I know the Wynncraft team sometimes lets us down but I feel like we’ve been crapping on them too much.

[turbid sphinx]

acting as if it's the players fault that lootruns were possibly overnerfed (i haven't played since the update so i have no opinion) when they had no input on the changes, and these sort of matters should have been sorted out on the prematurely ended beta, is just being obtuse

[violet jolt]

nah they arent overnerfed at all imo

and the moment they buff gray (which salted confirmed) things will be much better, maybe too good even but we'll see

[turbid sphinx]

i see

[heavy spindle]

i love that fact that this post is still getting new messages lmao

[weak tusk]

Can they buff my mythic rate specifically, because I need all the help I can get

[normal idol]

Agreed

Buff MonkeyB42's mythic rate and nerf everyone else's

[cold helm]

i dont need buffs i get 3 times more mythics from regular chests than i do lootrun chests anyway

idk why i just do i got a revenant from lootrun chest which i skipped and after i got a collapse from regular after another bit weathered from regular and another bit after today convergence from regular

[violet jolt]

i feel ya

i got like 4 or 5 mythics from normal chests and like 4 from the lootrun end rewards

[cold helm]

and 2 of them were without any lq im pretty sure

and with very little lb

[lyric finch]

@violet jolt how do u do ur runs

like what are ur priorities

[violet jolt]

pray to every power you believe in that you get an early rainbow/vibrant orange/ aqua stacked orange

and then just try to aqua stack white

aqua stack grey when you can
then just do a red beacon every time you have around 12-15 minutes (aqua stacked reds if you feel like going for even longer)

[lyric finch]

what beacons to do when no reds or what buffs to take and when

[violet jolt]

no reds would mean you ran out of reds so at that point do purple beacons if you are strong enough, if no then go for blue to become strong enough (i forgot to mention that while doing reds you should pickup blue beacons as well)

[weak tusk]

Lootrunning needs a pity counter like forgery

(Not actually, I’m just sulking about my bad luck)

[acoustic crow]

Not sure if I want a “pity counter” but a “counter” would be nice

I’ve already forgotten how many runs I’ve done

[violet jolt]

check your bottom middle tome slot

[acoustic crow]

Oh I didn’t think of that ty

[weak tusk]

41 runs. One pair of boots, and that was in the first 10 runs back before the nerf happened

[weak tusk]

I think mythic rates were nerfed a little too much. It is that it I just really unlucky

[empty sandal]

nah the economy is saved now

[weak tusk]

The economy is saved, but my pride is in shambles

[violet jolt]

Does the economy even deserve to be saved

After I helped a new player with a build the other day and realised that dark shroud and aquamarine are almost as expensive as some cheap mythics now

[agile garden]

someone’s coping real hard after their mythics tanked

they are attacking normal build items now

[lofty mortar]

I mean thats the problem with non random items in chests, certain rares/uniques aren't being brought into existence anymore either

[river raft]

they should make the chest have multiple pages with all the pulls, that would at least make specific rares/uniques more obtainable when they do happen to be in the chest

[lofty mortar]

I mean with how lootrun changes filter items on good runs you get very few rares/uniques

[river raft]

exactly

at around like 75 pulls, its all LE/fabled/legendary/runes/EB

maybe some keys too (that's another issue, keys should be at the very bottom istg)

[lofty mortar]

yeah even changing how the appearence of items work making them more varied it doesn't even matter

[river raft]

giving less weight to rare/unique weapons would also be nice

SE rn half the rares are shitty weapons

[acoustic crow]

Bro I’m one of the people gate keeping aqua and dark shroud I love finding a unique item I can sell for like 10 le. I think prices are going up tho since they would spawn alot at sky island and rodroc and since no one is lr there people aren’t getting as many

[last meadow]

no, but it makes mythics affordable so i am down

[grizzled goblet]

just keep lootrunning bruh

it’s literally only 2k pulls that shit took u 3h

no way u expect to get a mythic from 3h of work

[last meadow]

thats how lootrunning works

why not camps

[grizzled goblet]

tbh it’s still pretty bad lol just not as bad

conv dropped a few stacks but atleast it isn’t like 1 stack now

there is WAYYYYY more supply than demand rn

[violet jolt]

dw soon enough items like dark shround and aquamarine will be more expensive and rare than some mythics

the economy is totaly fine

[grizzled goblet]

dark shroud already was like a stack before, it dropped and it’s still expensive as fuck

[last meadow]

wtf

a stack for a non mythic we need to fix that economy

thats a ton of money

[grizzled goblet]

i sold a green ws with mid spell for 50 le like, a week ago?

[violet jolt]

when exactly is that before cuz i remember 3-4 months ago (?) i was casualy buying unids to identify till i found a good one for my build

[grizzled goblet]

around a week ago

[violet jolt]

yeaah i wouldnt call that before

not much has changed since a week ago

atleast when it comes to non mythic items

[grizzled goblet]

my mid dshrrouds are not selling for 40le anymore so ir has in fact changed just not that much 💀

[blissful nova]

weathered :)

[weak tusk]

No, I have a good 15 runs similar to that one with nothing and a whole bunch of shorter ones

[grizzled goblet]

dub

[grizzled goblet]

i’m GLAD it takes u that long to get a mythic 😭😭😭 u are unlucky tho

[blissful nova]

foolishly chosen dark gray beacon
+corkus moment

[steady oasis]

Tell them to Lootrun Corkus
Dark Shroud is in the pool currently

Unless it got changed recently
I would've thought the lr pool was a weekly thing but idk

[violet jolt]

i would never do something so cruel to them

they can just buy it from the TM for cheap now, no need to suffer in corpus

[steady oasis]

Extremely cheap ikr

[violet jolt]

guardian bout to reach pre 2.0.3 apoc prices ong

[grizzled goblet]

real

revive this thread

economic problem still ongoing

[upbeat moss]

pre 2.03 apoc is 32le

[violet jolt]

by the end of this rotation i wont be suprised if guardian drops around that

[lunar vale]

bruh dont forget conv

its like 30 le unid that shit stupid asf
its been hit the worst out of any mythics it appeared twice in a row

[upbeat moss]

sunstar

[polar egret]

they could disable the possibility of same mythic twice in a row ngl

[weak tusk]

Market fluctuations. It should go up if it isn’t featured for a couple weeks

[turbid sphinx]

no it won't lol

the mythics that people barely wanted in the first place won't recover

[violet jolt]

Only warp and idol have the demmand to actually recover in price if they don't show for over 1 week

[lusty silo]

what about weathered

[violet jolt]

weathered has a demmand for major ID rework

[lusty silo]

:c fr

ok hot take: you can only get the most expensive mythic as a reward in your lootrun. Once the mythic prices have eventually evened out, then the chance is random.

so basically we crash evey mythic price to ~2stx

even idol :)

[violet jolt]

isnt that whats happening right now anyway?

[lusty silo]

ok but the thing is that we make sure it stays that way

we crash prices of idol, warp, epoch, strati, cata, etc.

[violet jolt]

but why

[lusty silo]

also are there any shaman mythics that are worth anything?

[lusty silo]

https://tenor.com/view/its-going-to-be-funny-south-park-s9e13-free-willzyx-itll-be-amusing-gif-22317972

plus it would fix inflation :D

for mythics at least. legendaries prices are gonna skyrocket

[violet jolt]

fix inflation and make findinf mythics even less enjoyable

yay i found a lament! time to put it on the trademarket for 20 LE and be unable to sell it for weeks cuz everyone and their grandma has 50 laments!

[cold helm]

ye selling my lament when i did was a good idea

[violet jolt]

yeah im glad i sold my fatal for 6 stx as well, now similair in stats fatals go for 2

[polar egret]

actually is anyone buying non-godly mythics at this point?

I havent really lootruned enough to sell enough miffics rn to know

[upbeat moss]

ppl do

[acoustic crow]

For like 1 stack I’ll get most of the shitty mythics

[lusty silo]

crash all mythic prices

[empty sandal]

economy saved

[lunar vale]

abso

[river raft]

absolute ion

[glacial frost]

Bruh the exact problwm we expected to happen, happened

[agile garden]

people scalping legendaries to cope with mythics tanking has got to be the funniest thing ever

the last resort

[upbeat moss]

when dark shoud is more expensivce than sunstar (used to)

[summer remnant]

Na Not yet

They should just add some way to void players money with untradeables ig

[acoustic crow]

More horses 🙂

[summer remnant]

Untradeables hoeses

[somber citrus]

Mojang banned gambling... cannot add a skewed game of luck....

[summer remnant]

There's an blackjack game in cinfras tho

[upbeat moss]

rolling mythic is gambling

[lyric finch]

isn't crates gambling....?

[violet jolt]

isnt everything related to mythics gambling

just not with irl money

[river raft]

yes

[somber citrus]

no

[lyric finch]

you're spending irl money to get a random product that may or may not be good or bad

[somber citrus]

gambling is defined by the chance of winning money

crates are just cosmetics

[lyric finch]

britanica disagrees

red = buying crates
aqua = wanting black market items
blue = random chance of getting a cosmetic you don't want

[somber citrus]

But with crates you always gain

You always get a reward, it's just random which reward it is

[last meadow]

this is the weirdest logic ive seen

"well you could have gotten 70 le but instead you only got 20 le but you didnt lose"

[violet jolt]

gambling implies that you can lose money from doing a certain act (like [5]ing a mythic and getting a bad/mid roll

[violet jolt]

where exactly can you gamble irl where you can either gain 20$ or 70$ without the risk of losing any money in the process

id like to know that place

[pulsar notch]

yes but maybe i would rather have 20 black markets instead of 20 redstone effects which i can eventually scrap into one epic which is probably still gonna be mid!!

[last meadow]

idk you think i gamble

[pulsar notch]

when i gamble and i spend 100 dollars, if i win back 10 dollars i didn't gain...

[violet jolt]

simply spend more money and buy t4 crates and you are practicaly guaranteed to get black markets

[violet jolt]

with that you can actualy lose money tho..

its really not the same at all

[lyric finch]

that's not true again, you're not really winning on grtting s random rare cosmetic that you didn't want. aka not your money's worth aka a loss

[acoustic crow]

Wtf are y’all talking about. That’s like saying doing raids is gambling cause u “pay” tol and “gamble” for 2-4 le???

Like I’m just confused at the weird line of logic are you trying to take

[last meadow]

hey at least its not people saying "well actually reward chest isnt gambling cuz you could get a quetz instead of an idol which would still be a profit"

could always be worse

[river raft]

raids are basically guaranteed to profit tho

[acoustic crow]

Crates are basically guaranteed cosmetics tho?

[violet jolt]

well its not gambling..

you can argue its gambling if you reroll a mythic in hopes of getting another mythic but eh its really just pushing your luck for mythics

[river raft]

yes but those cosmetics aren't always profit cuz you could just get something you already have

[violet jolt]

profit? what profit

are you going to resell those cosmetics later for irl money ?

[river raft]

well no, but if you open a crate and get something you don't have yet, thats profit

if you buy 5 crates on the store, and you get 5 common player effects, thats a loss

you could scrap those for a rare, but I doubt anyone would say that paying $5 for a singular rare cosmetic is worth it

[river raft]

its gambling a mythic for a better mythic or no mythic...thats literally gambling

sacrificing a guardian for a small chance at an idol or a large chance at a small amount of money

sacrificing a bunch of money for a small chance at even more money or a large chance at a small amount of money

[river raft]

this is gambling, no?

all i did was replace "guardian" with "bunch of money" and "an idol" with "even more money"

[acoustic crow]

I’m convinced this is a troll post I’m not sure how to actually engage with what you’re saying

[river raft]

what I’m saying makes perfect sense

[acoustic crow]

If u get a mythic u already have it’s not profit? No, ur logic doesn’t make any sense and u seem adamant that ur on to something even tho ppl are saying ur not making sense

U can scrap cosmetics so this duplicates argument doesn’t make sense to me

[river raft]

🤦‍♂️ bruh why are you talking about mythics now??? yea its profit if you get a mythic you already have, you can sell mythics on TM. you cant do anything but scrap duplicate cosmetics from crates.

imagine you buy 5 crates, and you get common cosmetics out of all of them. you scrap those and get a rare cosmetic you already have. would you really say that $5 was worth it?

the point is you're not guaranteed to get something worth those $5, so its a gamble whether you get something good or you waste the $5

[blissful nova]

Conclusion: buy crates with traded silverbull shares

[acoustic crow]

By your definition yes that “rare” would be “profit” ur tweaking cause crates have a element of rng?

I’m just confused

The logic you use for “gambling” doesn’t work when applied to other aspects of the game so I’m trying to point out how your logic might be flawed with the mythic argument

Idk I often buy the $50 crates when the events come out, I get what you mean by “gambling” but that’s only because I assigned value to something I want it’s not like it’s worth le or I can irl sell my account for $ so I don’t agree it’s “gambling” in the sense

[agile garden]

block game value

[lyric finch]

so loot boxes are not gambling in games like Battlefront 2?

cuz the what defines as a guaranteed win is whether you get your money's worth or not

if you get duplicate cosmetics, common cosmetics or just stuff you never wanted, you're not getting your money's worth

in raids no matter how bad ur roll is, you'll always get enough money for 5 tols

[lyric finch]

you're not putting in any currency or value into a lr chest too

but in stuff like crates, you're putting in your REAL MONEY for potentially duplicate cosmetics

[lyric finch]

I think the better word here is worth the money, loss is applicable here but not profit, you can either get your money's worth or get a loss

[lyric finch]

and how are you sacrificing money in lootruns

overall stuff like lootrunning isn't gambling as there's no real investment while stuff like crates is literal gambling (loot boxes)

[agile garden]

u can say that crates aren’t gambling either because wynn le is infinite from lootruns

you spend infinite wynn le on silverbull shares

[lyric finch]

you buy silverbull to sell using irl money, so there's a money drain still / money being wasted

thus indirectly buying crates using real currency

[violet jolt]

if we are gona nitpick what gambling is then you can argue that you are spending your time as a currency

[lyric finch]

time isn't a recognised currency

[violet jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-time-is-money-money-time-serious-gif-13644795

tell that to mr crabs here

[lyric finch]

that's why I'm saying the only actual gambling is crates where you're spending official real currency for potentially getting scammed

[agile garden]

i think uh an actual retail job makes more networth than any bumfuck “pro wynn lootrunner” can ever make

[lyric finch]

yeah

the time spent by wynn players is worthless anyway

[violet jolt]

idk to me crates are more of a gacha mechanic than anything since you will never profit from them

[lyric finch]

yeah and gacha is literally gambling

[violet jolt]

yeah gambling without the possiblity to profit anything

[agile garden]

cosmetics have 0 value

[violet jolt]

exactly

[agile garden]

if they were tradable then the gambling aspect would 100% apply

[violet jolt]

i cant consider something real gambling if you cant profit from it

[agile garden]

but they are just a resource sink with no value

[lyric finch]

I mean loot crates in servers that have been banned for gambling have been didn't let you profit irl too

yet they were still considered gambling

[agile garden]

i think wynn is relying on a loophole here

the crates are “not luck based” by letting the player stop the crates on their own

[lyric finch]

I think in minecraft's EULA, gambling defines any system of luck where you have to put in a lot of money to potentially waste it on bad items

[agile garden]

“choosing” the cosmetic they want

[lyric finch]

the slot machine placebo 😼

[agile garden]

idk they didn’t get nuked by eula yet so clearly it must be fine

silverbull real life money being exchanged for ingame money is clearly fine too

[lyric finch]

cuz no one reported

[lyric finch]

silverbull is honestly a clever loophole

it's not buying non cosmetics directly, since it's used for buying cosmetics

but you can sell it so that's the loophole

[agile garden]

maybe that’s why it hasn’t been seen as egregious

[lyric finch]

maybr

[agile garden]

even though you can easily pick out the blatantly obvious exchange for money option in the store

[lyric finch]

nonetheless champion rank perks are a clear violation of these guidelines
(ruining other player experience due to world slots filling up fast due to bomb bell + champ slots)

also mob totems

[agile garden]

id say uh

the players experience might have been shattered and grinded to dust

[lyric finch]

yeah

[agile garden]

exchanged on the trade market how exactly

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[agile garden]

i think even hero getting /switch falls under that same category too

[lyric finch]

yep

[agile garden]

since the perks benefit “everyone” but not on the entire server only the world

[lyric finch]

wynn's move should either be to remove /switch and bomb bell

or make bombs work on all worlds at once like server wide boosts which would be so nice

[agile garden]

do you know how much money they would lose if serverwide bombs happened lmfao

[lyric finch]

do you know how much money they would lose if bombs were removed lmfao

[agile garden]

wynn shutdown 2024

right when mineplex gets revived for java

we can all move back there

i think server wide is the biggest violation here

“all players”

[lyric finch]

Admins sweating and trembling hard over eula

[agile garden]

serverwide rewards when i throw 10 bombs in media server

[lyric finch]

people trying to prof when i /switch to a full prof world

[agile garden]

me /switching to a prof party and afking for the entire prof party

[upbeat moss]

me lring in a prof world

[river raft]

I’m talking about rerolling the reward chest, you’re sacrificing whatever the current rewards are hoping for better rewards

[prime granite]

@sinful iron can u fix thus

[sinful iron]

No

[prime granite]

please…

[river raft]

just become CT, it’s not hard