Economic problem.

[clever knoll]

i will not lie down when i die

[lofty mortar]

surely this is the first time this issue has arrised and surely it doesn't always end the same way

[normal idol]

What points of mine do you think are invalidated by this

[normal idol]

Surely…

[clever knoll]

#1129910819237400616 message

[lofty mortar]

I mean would you not say the past indicates that nerfs tend to favor our side of the argument?

[clever knoll]

frozen this deflation is very bad for the game.

[lofty mortar]

how many times now has a new gameplay loop for mythics been created or changed and it's nerfed within the first month or two

[normal idol]

Yeah the grammar on that one was playing off of the "la la la free purple" take

But as you know, hard to tell if something's a joke or not here

[clever knoll]

was the whole message a joke, or just the grammar

[normal idol]

Former

[clever knoll]

so you think mythic rate should be nerfed

[normal idol]

I mean given the fact that updates really don't tend to be undone unless there's a really good reason, and combined with the economy is seen as a rather niche part of the game, yeah

[clever knoll]

nobody here wants the update to be undone

[smoky vapor]

EVERYTHING IN THE GAME IS BASED AROUND THE ECONOMY
WDYM NICHE

[lofty mortar]

I remember I was in the same place once when lq dropped and I championed for it to be nerfed

[glass condor]

time to play Ironman

[lofty mortar]

you new here?

[hidden plover]

'endgame update' kills the economy for endgame players 🔥

[normal idol]

Beforehand I doubt it needed it, but after discussing I think it'll probably need a nerf even if said nerf may never come

[clever knoll]

good ending

[normal idol]

Do you ever look outside the market community

[lofty mortar]

I would agree that it would never come if I hadn't stood on the precipice of wynnic econ collapse several times in my life

[glass condor]

as far as my friends go they still donÄt have mythics after farming long

[smoky vapor]

mb i just realized the market is a bubble

[glass condor]

so I still think its more about the chaining of long runs thats a problem that the direct droprate

[lofty mortar]

you're friends must not be trying hard because all my friends have found several my friend did his first lr yesterday and got a warp first try

[pulsar notch]

have u guys heard of this shocking new discovery called “friends”

[hidden plover]

the market is definitely not the only thing the game is based around but like tealy said a healthy economy is needed for any mmo 😭

[clever knoll]

mythic market and market are two different things. @smoky vapor is right, the entire game is built around many different markets, nearly every game on earth is.

[lofty mortar]

I wonder why every mmo has an economy, surely coincidence

[normal idol]

Gonna ignore this one fr...

[lofty mortar]

I'm deadass

[glass condor]

ecnomies in mmo are often fucked, the devs need to put a ton of effort into it just to keep it going, very often they are huge resets or alternative currencies over times

they are studies about hyperinflation in mmos

[hidden plover]

yeh exactly they make changes to fix them

[lofty mortar]

yeah because he attacked my argument based on past precedent so I used newness to attack his not being knowledgeable

[clever knoll]

i still dont understand why you keep bringing this up

is your point "economies are hard, wynn should just give up"

[normal idol]

I mean idk what you want here, to post a picture of when I joined wynncraft and then be attacked for "well you're new and don't know as much as me"

[smoky vapor]

because if other games do it bad that means thats okay to also do it bad

[lofty mortar]

well no I want you to not say the update won't happen when I say they've made several nerfs in the past based around fucking the econ with mythics. There is nothing wrong with being new

[clever knoll]

Frozen maybe you should sit down and let the grownups talk

[lofty mortar]

attacking new players is always wrong, I'm just saying only a long time veteran would get what I'm saying with nerfs to mythic drops rates, It's reductive to any argument for meeting in the middle which is best for everyone if someone who is a mod says that change isnt possible

[normal idol]

Have said nerfs been so fast they came a few days after the update dropped (unless I'm forgetting one)

[lofty mortar]

you see so how can you not notice the pattern of this always happening

lq took forever to nerf

[normal idol]

You don't have to cause tealy just did 🥶

[turbid sphinx]

tbf loot quality didn't make warp drop like 75% of its value in 2 days

[smoky vapor]

omg thanks for reminding me that they did that.. actually gives me hope they will do at least something..

[lofty mortar]

lq was nerfed twice though

[hidden plover]

in a game where there is not a lot of repeatable endgame content that continues to feel rewarding, making mythics (basically the only rare commodity outside of niche collectors items) not very rare is removing an insane amount of content

[smoky vapor]

yeah true aswell.. 🥺

[glass condor]

this seems to be a very inteded drastic change only Salted can really say if it should be like this

[turbid sphinx]

so i can see why people are even more up in arms about this

[normal idol]

Wynncraft not actually having endgame content besides the mythic grind has always been a big pitfall of it, so lessening the grind like this is bound to crack some skulls

[smoky vapor]

endgame grind is good .. no??

[hidden plover]

yeh i feel like thats an issue that no ones talking abt but we will see have issues in months if this isnt changed

[lofty mortar]

we can agree on this

[smoky vapor]

no more grind = good 🤪

[hidden plover]

grinding raids is fun imo, not a lot of ppl enjoy it tho - other than that, proffing and warring what is there really to do?

[glass condor]

thats why we talked about the shienes, there where definitly trying to filll the goal hunting niche, but people don't like them how they are

[hidden plover]

yes and a few changes to shinies could help a small amount but wouldnt fix nearly half the problems

the progression system in this game is now also terrible, at most you are probably using a legendary weapon for 2-4weeks if you are playing super casuaully?

you can get enough money to buy a decent mythic with quest money

[glass condor]

I mean I did that to with my Fanta actually

jsut from my quest money before 2.0

[hidden plover]

yuh but the reqs are now much lower, 1 quest could get you 1 mythic weapon

[glass condor]

I do think it will stablize itself a bit

[hidden plover]

it will not

[lofty mortar]

thats a crazy thought

[grizzled goblet]

that’s crazy to think about bruh wtf are you even supposed to chase in the game at that point

[glass condor]

I said a bit

[lofty mortar]

why would it stabalizes

[glass condor]

because the stuff is out the rotation

[turbid sphinx]

why would it stabilize if it took 2 days for warp to drop from 11 stacks to 5 stacks

[glass condor]

yeah because its in rotation

[lofty mortar]

there are 30x as many warps being found a day and the population is only doubled

[hidden plover]

and then the game will be centered around buying the mythics that are in rotation

that is not healthy, whatsoever

[lofty mortar]

why buy a warp when its not in rotation, when you can wait for it to cost nothing

[glass condor]

the thing is most people would not have interacted with the mythics before

[lofty mortar]

and?

[hidden plover]

you can make them easier to obtain without making them dirt cheap

[glass condor]

its pretty much trading the trade market palyers for the more gameplay palyers atention span

[hidden plover]

and mythics SHOULD be locked behind a long amount of gameplay, literally look at any other successful mmo

[glass condor]

for a endgame challenge yes, for running around opening chests no

[lofty mortar]

none of the raiders in my raid team on wow expect to ever touch a legendary but we still all show up to raid each week

[hidden plover]

until those players have completed every quest and played the game for an extra 2 weeks. then what are they gonna do if they dont like proffing?

[lofty mortar]

they made an endgame challenge for mythics so that argument doesn't work anymore

[pulsar notch]

I think this is a good thing: cheaper mythics such as fanta, thrunda, hadal would be nice if they could be accessible to most people. Idol on the other hand

[glass condor]

the lootrunning is not eaven like a team challenge you face

[clever knoll]

lootrunning isnt just opening chests though.

[hidden plover]

i promise u will see a massive drop off in players just like wynn has on every update after a couple of weeks

[glass condor]

every game on every update yes

[pulsar notch]

ofc there will be bc at the start of every update the player count explodes… that’s in every game as noelos said

[lyric finch]

the gameplay is the goat here I agree

[lofty mortar]

yeah but now you will also bleed long term players scorned lol

[grizzled goblet]

i might have 2 switch to wow again no cap

[hidden plover]

^^^^^^^^

[glass condor]

like right now this is allot of speculations

no idea how the players actually will behave

[grizzled goblet]

i have no idea what id even strive for in the game atm

[glass condor]

thats what I had before the update

[turbid sphinx]

idol week going to roll around, thousands of idols will be found, the price will drop to nothing, and that aspect of the player generated endgame will become meaningless and boring (repeat for every mythic)

[hidden plover]

a big drop off in players after an update is obvious as you mentioned so the update should be revovled around RETAINING players for a long time not just attracting thme to oooo free mythic box

[turbid sphinx]

wynn needs all of even fake endgame that it can

[glass condor]

so far I haven't gotten a mythic for investing time in so

[grizzled goblet]

mythics ? easy to get now, worthless, godly mythics ? easy to get now not as special

[glass condor]

sinc eits rng I can't say its the same for eveyone

[violet jolt]

thats just you lootruning incorrectly, last i heard you arent even master rank yet

[hidden plover]

wynn is one of the only MMO's where ive had to actually create content/goals for myself to stay interested, they are removing a MASSIVE amount of that content

[glass condor]

yeah which takes time

[violet jolt]

no it doesnt lmao

a guildmate got grandmaster within 30 hours of the update

[turbid sphinx]

just spam 10 challenge runs and get it in like 2 hours

[grizzled goblet]

IVE GOTTEN THIRTEEN mythics since the update came out

[hidden plover]

YOU may not have, but everyone else on the server has which has dropped the price of the mythics exponentially meaning that if you stopped lring and did something else in the game you could afford every mythic way faster than before 🤯

[glass condor]

thats longer than some full games I play

[pulsar notch]

I got admiral and it only took me like 2.5 hour of actual lootrunning 💀 and I SUCK at this game

[turbid sphinx]

grandmaster doesn't do anything

[violet jolt]

he didnt play for full 30 hours you ...

and grandmaster takes like 5-10 times longer than master

[pulsar notch]

he basically did marqn 💀

[hidden plover]

grandmaster is 5000xp

[violet jolt]

nah he slept a little

[pulsar notch]

like 3 hours

[hidden plover]

thats like 5-6h of lootrunning if you do small ones

[grizzled goblet]

this would take someone like 25000 chests to get which is a long ass time and i just got it in like 20-30 hours of playtime

[glass condor]

so far I have done like 10 hours

[violet jolt]

dont blame the system when you dont understand it

[glass condor]

my friend did more and had no luck

[grizzled goblet]

the mythic grind has been reduced almost like 10x 💀💀

[glass condor]

its literally rng

[violet jolt]

i got to master rank in 12 lootruns each taking about 15-25 minutes

[turbid sphinx]

getting 300 xp for doing a 10 minute run is not rng

[glass condor]

I did run on corkus

[hidden plover]

literally rng

[violet jolt]

nah noelos isnt even master yet and he is out here deffending the mythic droprate

[hidden plover]

🤣

[violet jolt]

excuse me what 😂 thats insane even for how broken the rates have been

how many pulls /rr was that run ?

[mellow jay]

it wasnt a run

[hidden plover]

no idea not mine but assuming 400+

[lyric finch]

that's not a run reward chest

[mellow jay]

its just the chest

[violet jolt]

ah i got jebaited

[lyric finch]

it's showing all the potential shit u can get lmao

[violet jolt]

yeah i legit thought he got them all but htne i saw the arrow

[hidden plover]

OH YEH SAME LOL

i feel incredibly stupid 🤣

[violet jolt]

i mean someone did get 4 mythics in 1 pull

[hidden plover]

although the fact we both thought that was possible kinda shows how stupid the update rates are

[violet jolt]

🥶

[smoky vapor]

LMOAOOAO

[glass condor]

as said I did hear you can do some pretyy stupid chaining

[hidden plover]

yeh i saw 4 too

[lyric finch]

WHAT THE FUCK

DOUBLE NIRVANA HOLY SHIT

[violet jolt]

apperantly they had 206 pulls or whatever

[glass condor]

so its less the % of the mythics and more how many chances you have to get the mythic

[lyric finch]

idol is a reward rn?

[violet jolt]

hella godly run

[lyric finch]

what happened then

[violet jolt]

i was actualy on track to get a 200 pull run earlier but then i threw it all away and got nothing

[hidden plover]

more but the servers had a patch so it rerolled

ppl kept servers open with bombs

[violet jolt]

lmao

yeah for sure

[hidden plover]

anyone who disagrees has not done enough lring (correctly)

[violet jolt]

LITERALY

[lofty mortar]

how many double mythic chests have ever been opened in the whole history of lootrunning there is only one I know of, but now 4 mythic 8 hour runs exist

[hidden plover]

that would help so much tbh

[glass condor]

again nerf the chaining than if its the main problem

[violet jolt]

i just did 77 pull 8 reroll and the most amount of LE i got was 4 LE and i rolled past it ofc

[hidden plover]

theres like no raw in the economy

[glass condor]

nor give the ability with 100 pulls and like 40 rerolls

[clever knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[turbid sphinx]

there's like 2 or 3 double mythics that i'd be willing to give the benefit of doubt

[hidden plover]

if they nerf the actual game and the beacons etc it will ruin the fun of actually lootrunning

[violet jolt]

awfgull take

[hidden plover]

i moreso mean in comparison to mythics xd

[violet jolt]

yeah dont ruin the fun just to balance droprates indirectly when you can directly nerf droprate

[clever knoll]

was making a loan joke

[hidden plover]

ah

[lofty mortar]

tealy ownes all the raw, he's a greedy player who hordes it all. Maybe we kill tealy and steal his moners

[hidden plover]

i am master debt taker tbh

[normal idol]

I think the solution is that salted will buff powders and forgery keys in the chest

[glass condor]

its mostly just the rerolls they need to cap

[lofty mortar]

rerolls just need curses and it's gg

[violet jolt]

no they literaly just need to nerf droprate for mythic its that simple... dont overcomplicate it

[grizzled goblet]

the solution will be that salted does not do anything and does not address this at all 💯💯

[hidden plover]

yuh

[glass condor]

yes really it exponantially gets worse the more rewards + rerolls you have

[lofty mortar]

until sumer is over because he's making less money*

[glass condor]

that would mess with the more casual palyers again

that don't want to do a hour long run

[lyric finch]

that take is the same quality as the new gui

[violet jolt]

what are you saying

[hidden plover]

i dont know why i even bother talking to this guy its literally talking to a brick wall

[violet jolt]

if you dont want to put in the work then you shouldnt have a mythic

[glass condor]

no I mean reward wise short runs should also be worth it

[lyric finch]

they can simply fucking stop midway they're not forced to run for 1 hour

[turbid sphinx]

bro is complaining about doing an hour long run for mythic guarantee 😭

[violet jolt]

and remember you can literaly pause lootruns so its not that bad for casuals

[lyric finch]

no

[lofty mortar]

yeah the great part of lootruns is you can stop midway

[hidden plover]

#bringbacksniping

[lofty mortar]

your not commited to doa whole run in one sitting

[violet jolt]

what would happen if we put noelos duke and crosier in the same room ?

[lyric finch]

this chat went from complaining about economy to arguing to ratio one guy with huge L takes lmao

[glass condor]

you want to get mythics more rare but if there is a way to do it it without messing with the shorter runs you don't want it

[lofty mortar]

noelos duke and crosier tna when?

[glass condor]

again its only the rerolls nothing else

[lyric finch]

you aren't getting mythics in short runs anyway....

whether the rate is buffed or not

[turbid sphinx]

bro just /hub and come back later if you physically cannot manage a run longer than 10 minutes

[glass condor]

you could, but if the mythic droprate gets nerfed more there is eaven less of a chance

[lyric finch]

I mean nerfed*

[violet jolt]

thats the point..

[glass condor]

does that pause it?

[lofty mortar]

so the people who play better shouldn't be rewarded?

[turbid sphinx]

yes

[glass condor]

okay forgot what I said

[hidden plover]

[violet jolt]

even classing pauses it

[lyric finch]

but why the fuck do you want that short runs should be more rewarding than long runs

give a logical reason lil bro

[glass condor]

just start with that yeah

[lofty mortar]

yeah I /class for phone calls constantly

[violet jolt]

istg all this arguing is coming out of you not knowing how lootruning works

[lofty mortar]

if mythic rates are nerfed and long runs are still problematic, the we nerf long runs

[glass condor]

not better but not extremly different

[hidden plover]

start with that? bro sorry for assuming u have common sense

[glass condor]

currently it exponently gives you more and more the longer it goes

[lyric finch]

exactly bro doesn't lootrun then jumps in on the bandwagon guh

[lyric finch]

hard disagree

it's a fucking roguelike dude

[hidden plover]

everyone ignore @glass condor so maybe the thread goes somewhere

instead of in circles

[lyric finch]

if u die early ur rewards are much worse than if u die later on cuz that's literally how roguelikes work

[lofty mortar]

thread is dead we've said the same 4 things in 1800 messages

[hidden plover]

true if we say it a few more thousand times they might listen though

[glass condor]

you all saying jsut nerf mythic droprate for really long now

[violet jolt]

me when i get rainbow > aqua > orange and just reach mental climax

[hidden plover]

i wonder why 🤯

[glass condor]

atleast I am tryingt o think of other things

[lyric finch]

pretty much

honestly doe it's fun to see the value of le go up so much and mythics die

but I am dying inside too (I invested in all mythics instead of liquidating)

[lofty mortar]

loser

imagine owning mythics, couldn't be me

[lyric finch]

imagine 😔

[lofty mortar]

I just own cold hard cash

[violet jolt]

i had that exact thing happen but then i choked on the orange (statue defense) for some reason they just obliterated the tower and i cried a lot

[lyric finch]

should've fucking liquidated and rebought all mythics for fucks sake

[glass condor]

I had it happend that I died the moment it finished the objective, and it idd't get rid of a challenge but my aqua becon was gone

[lofty mortar]

aqua stacked white dog shit, all 10 aquas on rerolls

[violet jolt]

i still remember it like it was yesterday... (it was)

[agile garden]

the solution is to increase a higher rarity obviously

[hidden plover]

literally same thing happened to me earlier except on Bone Monestrosity 😭

[violet jolt]

rerolls aint gona do shit if you have 10 pulls 💀 you just gona keep rerolling 5 emerald blocks

[lyric finch]

what if le rewards become more common

[agile garden]

make higher rarity items locked behind silverbull too

[lyric finch]

it would fix the economy no?

[lofty mortar]

I mean if you get 10 aquas your gonna have long runs

[hidden plover]

THE BONE ZONE LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[glass condor]

it would fix the real life economy part

[lofty mortar]

you can get reds and and greens to boost your rewards upwards

[violet jolt]

if you use all 10 aquas on a reroll you aint having a long run..

[lyric finch]

@hidden plover opinions on a le buff instead of mythic nerf?

[hidden plover]

do both

[violet jolt]

ah red and green stack huh, i completely avoid that just because i prefer to relax with infinite time (white stack)

[hidden plover]

in fact, they should just fix the emerald bug and maybe thatd be enough

[lofty mortar]

le buff would help casual players

[lyric finch]

it should become higher tier then

[lofty mortar]

I fear no timer

[hidden plover]

where u dont get emeralds in long runs

yuh

[lyric finch]

legendaries should be low.... who thought it was a good idea to have legendaries be more valuable than le

[lofty mortar]

yeah thats 100% intended

[lyric finch]

whoever thought that was a good idea

never cook again.

[violet jolt]

me when a morrowind is more valuable than 20 le

[hidden plover]

so stupid

[lofty mortar]

because from your 150+ reward runs you could see many stacks if le>legendaries

[hidden plover]

a lot of the market crash would have been offset if ppl were actually getting raw at the same time (not nearly all of it tho)

[lyric finch]

yeah

[normal idol]

Tbf it's just there to be filler, not actually be good

[glass condor]

yeah buffing Le also sounds good

[hidden plover]

but they do really need to reduce the mythic rate because that top 1% is still getting like 2-3 mythics per good run

[lyric finch]

doesn't matter it's not a good idea to have legendaries be more valuable than le

[lofty mortar]

but if you buffed le it would make short runs which casuals do good and long runs for mythics wouldn't get lots of le because of the legendaries so everyone is happy

[lyric finch]

capitalism mate, rich get richer

[normal idol]

Yeah but that's why they're there lol

[hidden plover]

and it should stay that way! just at a rate that doesnt destroy the economy bcos theres so many mythics no one is buying them

[normal idol]

Not saying it's a good idea but those legendaries are literally just there to pad the chest rewards

[lofty mortar]

yeah the legendaries there is good

or we would be back locked to 36 reward pulls

which felt bad

[glass condor]

I do kinda wished we knew the average time per legendary drop

[lyric finch]

sugo ideeyeah

legendary rate nerf
le rate buff
le more priority than legendary
economy deflation fixed
sugo hapi
everyone gets le
everyone hapi
mythics no nerf
fuck legendaries
happiness

[lofty mortar]

thats just as bad as mythics being common le being that inflated by rich people lol

[glass condor]

the old lootrunning way was literally harcapped by the server amount

now everyone can run at the same time

[lyric finch]

that's what happened before with tna....

[lofty mortar]

anyone mentally capable of doing 150 reward pull runs somewhat consistently would generate stacks a day

yeha and then tna got nerfed for a reason???

[lyric finch]

yes :>

I'm talking post nerf brother

there were a bunch of us doing 11 runs in 1 hours and making stacks upon stacks a day

[lofty mortar]

33 le/ hr isn't crazy good

[hidden plover]

11 per hour kinda weak bro

[lyric finch]

nah that's with public parties

[hidden plover]

can do that with pfinder

[agile garden]

i remember when tcc was the going rate for nons to make money at 40 eb per completion

[lyric finch]

it was 11 runs per 30 mins with tryhard parties

around that much tbh

[hidden plover]

thats how i got money to buy my first mythic and it was THE BEST feeling ever... now that doesnt exist

[lofty mortar]

66 le/hr is still worse than some ingredient farms

[glass condor]

so we all agree now just add more money into the ecnomy to fix it?

[agile garden]

no

[hidden plover]

no

[lyric finch]

true

[hidden plover]

A WAIT JUST DONT RESPOND DONT RESPOND DONT RESPOND A AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[agile garden]

this will become zimbabwe hyperinflation of 2008

[lyric finch]

too much mythic? add too much money

ez economy I am economic phd now

[glass condor]

sounds balanced to me

[normal idol]

Print more money

[lofty mortar]

whats worse that or the us housing crisis of 2008(mythics)

[lyric finch]

who cares about us every mf there is rich

[lofty mortar]

print more money!!!!

[agile garden]

ngl this is literally the 2008 housing crisis

[lofty mortar]

exactly lol

[glass condor]

no for housing you need to do profesions

[lofty mortar]

thats the funniest part to me

[lyric finch]

what was that I'm an indian cse student idk usa stuff

[glass condor]

you can buy houses with money in this economy

[agile garden]

houses were big bux in a bubble then the bubble bursted because the money ran out for loans from banks and banks shut down and houses became worthless

[lyric finch]

dang so anyone can buy a house now?

[glass condor]

no, the oposite

[lofty mortar]

for awhile if you had old money you could get a house significantly cheaper

[glass condor]

remove houses from the market to increase the price

[lofty mortar]

it's like how now if you have old money(le) you can get anything mythic you want cheaper than 3 days ago

[glass condor]

or well its such a bad area that no one wants to live there

[lyric finch]

true

[lofty mortar]

well thats all the mythics on that market

[lyric finch]

I'm just annoyed about lunar charm prices dying

gotta wait ig since main lunar charm generation method nerfed now

[lofty mortar]

rare ing farming on 20 accounts is the new meta for making money. If you don't have an account on every active world your trolling

[lyric finch]

real

[normal idol]

Can't wait for client-side mob farming

[glass condor]

aren't there new profesion materials?

[agile garden]

no way

the ing dupe murdered ing market we still havent recovered from that on top of the nerfs too

[glass condor]

I mean, dupes won't affect the market anymore, thats positive right?

[lofty mortar]

I mean even with the dupe ing are better than mythics rn

[agile garden]

bruhhh

[agile garden]

didnt u see the 2k lunar charm for 6 eb

and the 3 mag chiefs getting banned

[violet jolt]

unless they dupe lE

[lyric finch]

yeah I was kind of the reason for that... didn't know the dupe was real thought it was some necron discord copy pasta

until they used it

real

[lofty mortar]

some brave duper could save both the lunar charm market and the mythic market

[lyric finch]

we need tnl chiefs back 💯💯💯

[lofty mortar]

and delete all the lunar charms and mythics on the market

mt wynn thirsts for sacrifice

[glass condor]

but yeah lets see what they will change

in like a month+

[normal idol]

Speaking of ing market, seeing bottled fairy below 4 le is wild

[glass condor]

another lootrunning item?

[normal idol]

But I digress

Buff shinies's shinyness fr

[lofty mortar]

shine on your crazy diamond

[glass condor]

maybe pin the message with all the ideas you noted

[lofty mortar]

make them hoes shine

[smoky vapor]

same picture

[lofty mortar]

dude

thats so fucking funny

[glass condor]

the water looks cleaner

[lyric finch]

yep only the water changed

[glass condor]

yeah totally

[normal idol]

Wynncraft lootrun update -> ??? -> twin towers pic gg

[smoky vapor]

gg

[lofty mortar]

wait are you spoiling the ??? quest, thats bannable

[clever knoll]

it does go hard though

it should be allowed for that

[smoky vapor]

youll barely notice it

[normal idol]

You'll barely notice it

[lyric finch]

you'll barely notice it

[smoky vapor]

im glad we can all agree that mythic drop rates need a nerf ❤️

[lofty mortar]

good ending(real)

[clever knoll]

noelos appearance

[lofty mortar]

let him cook

[glass condor]

cya

[clever knoll]

i miss him

[lofty mortar]

thanks for coming to our ted talk noelos

we were glad to have you as a guest speaker

[glass condor]

send me some mythics, while they are still worth nothing

[lofty mortar]

watchu want?

[normal idol]

Nope I changed my mind we should buff them

[smoky vapor]

banger

[lofty mortar]

bad ending(real)

[glass condor]

if you are for real, my friend really wanted a wheathered and thats why I ran with him on corkus for so long

[lofty mortar]

lutho world 12

rn

[glass condor]

looking back it was a bad idea also buff the timer in corkus

[lyric finch]

I think mythic should be removed

cuz fuck mythics fuck players we ball hard 🔥

[lofty mortar]

will it be easier if I come to you?

[lyric finch]

should've done long runs lil bro

[agile garden]

i think players should be removed

[lofty mortar]

mythics should be removed but only people with 1000 hours played keep them

fuck the opps

[glass condor]

not fingind 12 atm

[lyric finch]

yeah they cause too much bugs and complain too much

game would be so much nicer without them

[lofty mortar]

I can go anywhere

[glass condor]

the timer always ran out

[glass condor]

6

[lyric finch]

pick green bacons lil bro they stop at 40 challanges

[shell spoke]

What’s the issue?

[glass condor]

@lofty mortar thank you very much

[lofty mortar]

yes sir

[glass condor]

was before I unlocked them

I did go in blind

[lofty mortar]

you sure it's not because you ran out of green

pretty sure they only run out when you use 10

[shell spoke]

Dw!!! Eco will fix itself (it will not)

[glass condor]

wonder how the rates would be if corkus was the only running location

[lyric finch]

bro I'm giving advice based on what others told me I've been travelling to my hometown for the last week haven't touched wynn

[lofty mortar]

fake lootrunner alert 💯

[lyric finch]

everything I'm saying is pure info gathering and it's still right most of the time

☺️

no I will rather play monumenta

[turbid sphinx]

the rates would be a tiny bit lower cause corkus is large with unfun as fuck caves

[lyric finch]

I was the imposter all along.

[lofty mortar]

what about dungeon r@elms

[agile garden]

i asked admins if they could make remnant unusable on shatter

they said yes

[lyric finch]

jokes on u I don't have remnant even though rod was my money making method before r3

sold all my ade 😎

[normal idol]

Unironically making the game worse just to dunk on a few players 😭

[agile garden]

🔥

[lofty mortar]

I miss when salted and the ct would get together in teamspeak and go bully competeting servers. That was a pretty polite thing for them to do

[lyric finch]

bro I haven't been able to play in the last week but the new shatter system feels like cancer, is it cancer?

[agile garden]

you can bypass it completely

[lyric finch]

o dang ok

[agile garden]

with remnant so it doesnt even matter

[lyric finch]

without remnant is it cancer

[agile garden]

no

[lyric finch]

oh ok

[agile garden]

lockboxes and armory can still bypass it too

[normal idol]

It’s easily bypassable, but players showing off how easy it is to bypass it just leads to spitefulness and will it make it worse

[lyric finch]

god I need to grind for

skt epic
remnant
armoury

[agile garden]

yes the strategy is to speed up the problem so it can get fixed quicker

[smoky vapor]

wdym bypassable

[violet jolt]

me when crop and fish is at 300% (it will fix itself just wait!!!)

[smoky vapor]

wait what is yall even talking about

[normal idol]

Fruma

[agile garden]

bypassing death penalty abuse on a different minecraft mmorpg

[smoky vapor]

oh ok PLEASE DONT GET OFF-TOPIC !!

[normal idol]

I should probably pin the shiny thing

[lofty mortar]

I am killing people who get off topic, watch out

[agile garden]

its like to prevent people abusing world hopping for sp regen you were locked into the world for 30 minutes

thats what they just did

[lofty mortar]

is there anyway you could also pin that guy who broke all the points we made down into 4 concise bullet points that'll probably be easier to understand than ops txt doc

[smoky vapor]

idk what that has to do with this

its really not important, can we please focus on the original opener

[agile garden]

froezenearth moderdator powers

[lofty mortar]

no way lil bro just called op by its full name

[normal idol]

Yeah

[lofty mortar]

ty ❤️

[smoky vapor]

i really dont see the need for this shiny thing to be pinned

omg @solid loom success

plus the shiny idea is really not it IMO defeats the whole purpose

[lofty mortar]

thats wrong with the shiny ideas?

[lyric finch]

wish shiny had custom textures instead

[smoky vapor]

the way shinies work rn is fine.

[lofty mortar]

dogshit take

[normal idol]

Mythics being more common removes them as the super rare item for players to grind for, which is what shinies are meant to replace

But shinies are very lackluster so they don’t do that job very well

[lyric finch]

like weapon skins if ya get what I mean

[violet jolt]

they are useless

[lofty mortar]

ban him mods

[smoky vapor]

thats the whole fucking point of them

[agile garden]

youre kidding shinies are meant to be a super mythic

[lofty mortar]

super mythic in prestige not ability

[lavish sundial]

I think the shiny should be kept as is, but have the player select the tracked stat

[violet jolt]

you cant even showcase the stats or "shiny" to anyone other than yourself

[smoky vapor]

exactly??

[lyric finch]

make shiny models have a sunglass attached to it

problem solved guys

[smoky vapor]

have you ever heard of csgo stat trak items

[violet jolt]

this isnt csgo tho

[lofty mortar]

stat trak works because kills are the only thing in csgo

[smoky vapor]

no but the principle is the exact same

guys NO ONE IN CSGO CARES ABOUT THE KILLS ON UR STAT TRAK WEAPON

[lofty mortar]

also stat trak hurts things like knife value lol

[smoky vapor]

ITS ALL ABOUT THE ADDED RARITY AND VISUAL CHANGE

you guys are missing the whole point of shinies and derailing the entire thread talking about something absolutely unimportant

[lyric finch]

but seriously tho what if shiny items had custom models using the weapon skin system?

[violet jolt]

but there is no visual change in shinies cuz skins cover the alredy barely visible glow

[turbid sphinx]

would never buy a shiny mythic for the stat tbh i don't want no second hand garbage

[smoky vapor]

???

[lofty mortar]

good idea like a badass weapon for each class

[acoustic crow]

Replace old mythics with shineys then so people’s networth don’t tank by like 80% because of new mythic rates

[smoky vapor]

this thread is so doomed

[lyric finch]

it's the same weapon just looks cooler than a simple enchant glint

[agile garden]

they couldve done masterworked prestiged mythics so much better than this

[smoky vapor]

as i said yesterday the first 20 messages were good the rest is absolute nonsense

[lyric finch]

all points have been made here already and pinned too we're just discussing for the sake of it

[smoky vapor]

okay im gonna leave for now

[normal idol]

Good discussion is good discussion

[acoustic crow]

Idk I understand why people are mad their net worth was just fucking tanked

[normal idol]

Mythic infusions and delve infusions when !!

[lyric finch]

my net went from 300 - 400 to possibly under 100

[agile garden]

true...

[lofty mortar]

if you have no raw it might as well be 0

[lavish sundial]

The concern is the long term aspect and lack of any purpose to the content in the game

[normal idol]

Sometimes there’s a bit of good discussion and sometimes it’s a bit of net worth coping

[acoustic crow]

What?

[lyric finch]

fuck my net is 1 stx then all my mythics are doomed

[smoky vapor]

🤦‍♂️ come on man

[agile garden]

clearly the long term aspect of the game is to redo the awesome quests 14 times (once per class because you bought champion because this game is so awesome)

[lofty mortar]

truth

[normal idol]

So true

[lofty mortar]

the quests are just that good

[turbid sphinx]

i actually liked speedrunning the quests before it all became unskippable and the rewards became shit

shit was fun

[lofty mortar]

the best time in wynncraft is when xp armor effected quests

[acoustic crow]

Well it’s just like I have like a warp hero and disco and now my networth if destroyed cause they want more “noobs” to have mythics. To me to “ruins” the drive to “grind for a good item” by making them trivially easy to get

[lofty mortar]

ever since they removed that quests have been shit

[normal idol]

I didn’t name anyone, but don’t feel like you were mentioned

[smoky vapor]

and im not saying that cause my networth is deadass like 10stx
but you have to get the idea out of your head that its 'opportunistic networth coping' bla bla bla
people here cares about the games economy and thats it

[acoustic crow]

Like I was grinding for an epoch for like 3-4 months of casually doing tna

[lyric finch]

although I will note that wynn has a money focused endgame

like in monu people are judged based on how good they're at the game where tryhards are beloved while in wynn the beloved ones are the no lives who made lots of money

just a general observation nothing more

[normal idol]

What about xp bombs affecting quests

[lofty mortar]

that was part of that era too

made quests feel so rewarding like actually

[lavish sundial]

Because wynn has no endgame

[agile garden]

most of those people are gone though

[lofty mortar]

I remember there was a dude with media ranked in hax and he would do like 7 quests on dxp weekend and hit 100 was pretty fair

[normal idol]

Nice

[acoustic crow]

Idk the people who “have no lives” are the ones playing the game the most, I don’t know why that would be the group of players you’d want to mess with/make quit the game cause their items/progress if now 1/8 of what it use to be

[lofty mortar]

back when media rank gave you constant dxp

[agile garden]

anyone remember who fuguh is

[lofty mortar]

yeah its nonsensical

[normal idol]

Nope

[agile garden]

top tcc raider

[normal idol]

They aren’t real

[smoky vapor]

guys 💀

[lofty mortar]

I thought about buying that tbh

just to have another good ws strati for one of my other archers

[smoky vapor]

yup !!

too bad its gonna be 2stx in a week

[lofty mortar]

yeah thats why I didn't buy it

[agile garden]

finally i can afford

[smoky vapor]

exactly

[lofty mortar]

a 99 ws strati went for 10 stacks yesterday

thats okay

the econ is doing fine 👍

[acoustic crow]

Idk imo Wynn it making some weird changes and I don’t understand why people are raving on like the update is so good, imo summoner is in such a bad spot, lr is semi ruined cause half the chests just seem like trash now/ no emeralds in the chest when previously lr sky island would get me about 1 LE in just chest emeralds alone. Having tons of old players effort and grind be trivialized feels like shit. And half for forgery is broken now

[smoky vapor]

YEAH ITS FINE GUYS!! MORE ACCESSIBLE !!

no dude its not more accessible . the issue is that no one is willing to spend money on anything

[acoustic crow]

It’s really not that simple

[agile garden]

disco died immediately

[smoky vapor]

20LE is going to be worth more than most mythics cause trade is basically dead

[lofty mortar]

the problem rn is the greedy players hoarding there money

[smoky vapor]

i swear people are gonna stop rolling mythics to [3] or [4] cause its just not worth the money lmfao

[lofty mortar]

yeah it's not worth to rr anymore

[smoky vapor]

they are doing the only smart thing though?? i mean they dont wanna lose all their money duh

[acoustic crow]

Wdym you can make so much le of tna? How is it a hording problem?

[agile garden]

so true tna rates

[lofty mortar]

It was satire yo calm down, im hoarding money

[smoky vapor]

ah.

[acoustic crow]

It’s hard to have satire in a semi serious conversation imo

[lofty mortar]

this conversation hasn't been serious for several hours now

[smoky vapor]

yeah .

[lofty mortar]

but I'm willing to get back on track

[acoustic crow]

Trying to bring it back on topic a bit

[smoky vapor]

i think we should just stop talking here entirely and advise everyone to read the first 20 or so messages in the thread

[acoustic crow]

^

[lofty mortar]

we have a pin thats explains it pretty well

just point them there and save them from scrolling

[smoky vapor]

i dont think we pinned the best messages

[lavish sundial]

It is weird that the update was pushed so early because there are some many holes the update can be called a swiss cheese

[agile garden]

🔥🔥🔥

[lofty mortar]

it's peak summer people are out of school

[smoky vapor]

#1129910819237400616 message
this right here is probably the strongest point

sums it up pretty well

[agile garden]

concept of using one mythic and exchanging for every single other mythic while you slowly save up for another one is awesome

you get to choose your "main"

but i guess now everyone can just have everything like creative mode

all in a days work

[smoky vapor]

sick

🤣 more accessibility !!! good !! 🤪

[agile garden]

risk of rain 2 did it and look where it got them

their game is dead

[ember fox]

?

[turbid sphinx]

what

wtf is this comparison

[last meadow]

What

I have no idea who those people are + on vacation so cant be bothered

[turbid sphinx]

no really i wanna know

[ornate geode]

how is this thread still going

everyone's dug themselves into trenches at this point might as well watch the economy crash and burn 💀

[tame palm]

Warp for 3le!!!!

[ornate geode]

most mythics have already dropped below half an stx

it's only a matter of time until the market is totally saturated with warps and idols and nirvanas and ignises

and I can't even lootrun rn 💀 pojav launcher allows me to check trade market at 3fps and that's about it

[violet jolt]

it alredy is with warps

now we wait for idol to re-apear in the loot table and its gg

[smoky vapor]

yup.

[tame palm]

How much is warp rn?

[smoky vapor]

i called someone out for this statement yesterday but maybe they were right ..
maybe it is good that this server finally goes down the gutter 🔥

[smoky vapor]

unid warp 5

[lofty mortar]

fuck em we ball

[tame palm]

Ain’t no way

[smoky vapor]

lmfaoo

[lofty mortar]

rest in piss you won't be missed

[violet jolt]

rly? last i checked it was 6 stx (1 hour ago)

[smoky vapor]

peep this

[tame palm]

I was joking when I told my friend warp was 6stx

[ornate geode]

idk how yall are complaining about 5stx unided lol by the end of the week warps will be as cheap as gaias and gaias will be 5le per

[tame palm]

What are dawnbreak prices now

5eb?

[ornate geode]

all mythic boots are like 8le now

[lofty mortar]

mythic boots might as well not exist in terms of selling them

[smoky vapor]

i mean no.. no one is willing to sell their mythic boots for 32eb lol
might just blacksmith at that point

[lofty mortar]

even more than before

[ornate geode]

spring is 12le sunstar is 18 I think fanta is 24 so is hadal monster is 32 gaia is like 1stx lament and fatal are also 1stx quetz is still 1.5 somehow

[grizzled goblet]

i bought a green dbreak for 13le it’s so over 🙏🙏

[turbid sphinx]

can the thread dying wait until i get a reply from the guy that compared the death of the wynncraft economy to risk of rain 2

[smoky vapor]

bro is not getting his money back 💀

[turbid sphinx]

i am so fucking baffled

[violet jolt]

you know its fucked when you get a sunstar in the LR reward chest and you roll past it for 20 raw LE

[lofty mortar]

facts

[grizzled goblet]

this is either the best or worst day in jahashs life

[smoky vapor]

all my friends roll past double mythics to get triple mythics im deadass lmao

[violet jolt]

[lofty mortar]

facts fuck triple mythics I'm going for 5

anything less is mid

[ornate geode]

apoc is like 8le tcrack and alka are around 48le
gma is like 20le
surprisingly none of the assassin mythics have taken that big of a hit yet but nulli's starting to drop into the <1stx range

[outer finch]

can we make dloot work for end reward chests? i feel like it's a little underwhelming compared to other money making methods, would love to hear feedback on this! 😄

[ornate geode]

so true

[lofty mortar]

10 mythics is the new goal per run

[grizzled goblet]

nirvana took a big hit but not tooooo bad

[tame palm]

10 mythic run 🔥🔥🔥

[smoky vapor]

YEAJHH!H!!

[tame palm]

My reaction when cata is in the lootpool

[ornate geode]

nirvana is 3stx and still dropping but that's too high

we have to wait 5 more days and wait for nirvs to sell at 20le

[lofty mortar]

if I wasn't fighting for the economy I would already have the 5 mythic run

[tame palm]

3stx?!?!?! I’ll have to do all my quests on THREE?!?! Classes

[grizzled goblet]

crazy how i’m calling like a 6+ stx loss or whatever it was not too bad 😔😔😔💔💔

[tame palm]

This is UNFAIR and GATEKEEPING me from CRAZY BUILDS!!!1!1!!1!!1!1!1

[ornate geode]

I honestly cannot wait to turn in my bank pages full of money and buy all the mythics

and then blacksmith them all 💀

[tame palm]

I’ll buy idol with 4 le when it’s in lootpool

[ornate geode]

idol will be in lootpool in 7 weeks after this cycle probably

[lofty mortar]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder/?v=4#8_0cD0Pf0uj0nB0Xr0Xr0x40Ji0Qu0o1p0y0o181g000010036C0z0z0+0+0+0+0--l-XNws0 casual players builds now they can get mythics 🔥

[ornate geode]

I mean I think the other side of this argument has some merit

[smoky vapor]

diabolical

[ornate geode]

it's likely the economy will eventually flatline the cost of all mythics at 1stx

obvs the mythics currently in rotation are going to plummet but the wait period will probably bring it back up to around there

so it'll just be a constant cycle of 1/6th of the mythics being 4le for a week and the rest being 1stx lol

it's only gonna get worse as they add more lootruns

I can't wait for sky lootrun to drop strati weathered hero guard abso 🔥 🔥 🔥

(you'll barely notice it)

[lofty mortar]

trust me the economy will stabilize and bounce back(it won't)

[smoky vapor]

absolutely .

[ornate geode]

it's going to stabilize it just won't bounce back

[lofty mortar]

the mythics will be worth money again a few weeks after they've been in rotation

[ornate geode]

idk where my "you'll barely notice it" gif went this is the perfect time to use it

[lofty mortar]

surely

[hidden plover]

I don’t think there’s gonna be many mythics out of rotation for more than 1-2 weeks really

[lofty mortar]

not the gif but it's good enough

[hidden plover]

Unless overlaps

[ornate geode]

they'll probably appreciate slightly in the weeks immediately following but people will stop buying as the mythic comes close to cycling back again

either that or that'll happen per week if we're unable to predict which mythics will be in the next rotation/mythics have separate rotation cycles so some appear more often than others

[lofty mortar]

yeah I mean they might be sellable for a little

[hidden plover]

sellable 😭

[ornate geode]

I should have seen this coming lol

all my shitty mythics are never appreciating
I was waiting for the sunstar buff...

[lofty mortar]

oof

[hidden plover]

they need to add a reason for more demand of mythics, maybe some kind of system that scraps the same mythic to power up the one that you use could help the demand issue

[lofty mortar]

I'm glad I offloaded my hadals for hadal buff last week

[ornate geode]

not an investor btw I just like collecting and using off meta mythics

oh yeah can mythics still drop from regular t1-4 chests

[hidden plover]

Yeh I’ve gotten 3 from running around while lring

[ornate geode]

tf 🥴

[lofty mortar]

yeah I've gotten one and I run lb/lq on my boots

[ornate geode]

the lootrun build I have planned out is just collapse galleon lol

[hidden plover]

Yeh mainly after lblq boons on long run

[lofty mortar]

on beta I made my build with lblq boots thinking they would put more loot in the chests during lr

they didn't

[normal idol]

99% of mythic hoarders quit before their mythics get a massive buff in value

Just keep holding !

[hidden plover]

I just realised u can buy like 15 Unid divzers for like 100usd

Bargain

[lofty mortar]

yeah you can buy almost any mythic for 10 usd

[lofty mortar]

I'll never let go of my infernos never never never

[hidden plover]

ANY GREEN ONES

[lofty mortar]

one but it's not for sale bud

[hidden plover]

bro said bud lmao

[lofty mortar]

thats the prized possession of my inferno cherry bomb build

[hidden plover]

U got a fat ass ego I can tell

[pulsar notch]

monster is 32le????

[lofty mortar]

damn straight, aint nothing wrong with that

[hidden plover]

anyone who says bud over discord is really tired of being called that irl and needs to get it out

[violet jolt]

tbf on long runs you can easily get chests full with legendaries and rares (but for some reason emeralds just dont exist)

[lofty mortar]

even when I get the lb boons I don't really notice too much even with 300+ lb

[violet jolt]

i get chests like these and even better quite often

[lofty mortar]

the challenge rewards are good sometimes sure

[violet jolt]

got a gaia from them once

and a double fabled

ultimately both of these are worth like 5 LE but it could have been 2 warps!

[lofty mortar]

true

the double fabled might be worth more than the gaia

[violet jolt]

hot (but useless)

[weak tusk]

Should add the scrap a mythic item to open a tome slot requirement

That way there is somewhere for the excess of mythics to go

[faint dock]

you know damn well its just boots getting scrapped

[weak tusk]

True

[cold helm]

revenant is like 25k rn right

it was last time i checked i checked cuz i had a chance to get it in chest but rerolled

[weak tusk]

e

Or make it so you had to scrap a weapon of that class to open up the tome slot

[cold helm]

you have a brain dumbass

i trust you dont need an extra word to figure out i mean emeralds

im sorry that i dont care

am i not?

i mean it is in the form of LE yes

but in the end its all just emeralds

why would that be easier?

i play more games than wynncraft wynn is the only game where ik ppl count this way

why would i care to when both work

can you not figure out what 25k emeralds means?

do i need to convert that into LE for u?

thats how you type that into the market menu and thats how i count deal with it

im not changing it im insantly counting it in emeralds genius

if it does i never did it cuz nothing ever said i could

how the hell am i supposed to know if wynntils would let me do that

which i dont have dumbass

there is nothing that ever showed me that was an option

so this wasn't rude?

dam u gonna cry cuz i called u stupid after calling me stupid

[agile garden]

it was 5am for me

i think i meant the accessibility?

[river raft]

https://tenor.com/view/economic-collapse-great-reset-2023-gif-25712305

[agile garden]

https://tenor.com/view/economists-be-like-this-will-be-bad-for-the-economy-gif-19570218

[cedar flower]

@heavy spindle idk why you care about the prices if the mythics didn't change

The amount just changed and thats not a bad thing

Its not like the value of emeralds changed

[heavy spindle]

omfg

out get out now

[cedar flower]

Would you also cry this hard if your favourite hamburger crashes in price?

Or if your bills get cheaper?

[violet jolt]

bro had vietnameese flashbacks

[heavy spindle]

i hate hamburgers. And it isnt about that numb nuts. Its about chase items in an MMO game losing close to 90% of their value in under 3 days. Youse your brain

great now i died cause i had to go afk to respond smh

[cedar flower]

Chase shiny

Gotta collect them all

You can talk about this again when you have all the shiny's in the game

[heavy spindle]

shinies have no incentive the idea of a prestige driven chase item does not work since it is technically no better then its base existence

look man ive had 2 hours of sleep if you are going to be stupid please do it somewhere else

[cedar flower]

I thought it was just about chasing a item

And just bc there are more mythics doesn't change the value of the item for a certain build

[heavy spindle]

omfg yes it is but shinies wont work, if you scroll up you will see a mod and a ct member saying the same thing about them. They were a cool idea with a bad execution

[cedar flower]

My guy the same mythic will still do the same dps

[heavy spindle]

holy shit yes it does do you even understand what inflation is lol

[scenic glacier]

can't you just fix it by reducing the amount of mythics in a rotation and also the chances to get a mythic

[cedar flower]

Its not like the dps ia bouns to the tm prices

[heavy spindle]

EXACTLY THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING xD

[cedar flower]

And why does the price of a mythic matter

[heavy spindle]

please inform me, are you dumb on purpose or is this an accidental thing?

[cedar flower]

What does it matter to you there are more mythics

The mythics will stay the same, the prices just drop

[heavy spindle]

because its going to crash the economy? Did you even read the text document?

cause if you didnt please shut the hell up

[scenic glacier]

ok so basically the problem with mythics being super common rn is that it used to be a rich person thing and also now there's the endgame which has reduced lootrunning to basically no time at all

[cedar flower]

The eco is not just all about mythics

And with shiny mythics they added a new rare item into the eco that balanced that out

[heavy spindle]

correct but they are a large part of it because they are chase items

[scenic glacier]

those literally don't do anything

[cedar flower]

Yeah and shiny mythics replace them

[heavy spindle]

NO IT WONT OMG they dont work they wont work you fucking backwards starfish

[violet jolt]

shiny items are such a scam.. dont even display in chat or anything

[heavy spindle]

exactly

[scenic glacier]

shiny mythics are purely cosmetic and dont display anything

[violet jolt]

barely even cosmetic, its just a number that tracks a statistic that only you can see

[heavy spindle]

bro im so tired of dumb ass people walking in here and thinking that their 10 second thought process was going to be something i didnt consider when making this suggestion

[violet jolt]

how am i gona flex my 5000 wars done with fatal if noone else can see it

[cedar flower]

Nope you are just stupid and don't know how eco works

Its a good thing mythics are more common

More people can use them so more people can have fun with them

[heavy spindle]

you dont know who eco works not even close. take a basic economics class and then walk back here

[scenic glacier]

i love flexing my wars won with disco (most op mythic chestplate ever)

[heavy spindle]

you didnt even understand inflation????

that is like grade 8 social studies

[violet jolt]

factualy correct

[cedar flower]

My guy is stuck in the past

You also think people getting smarthphones is bad

Or that cars and phones should only be for the rich?

[violet jolt]

not the real life to wynncraft economy comparison again

[cedar flower]

I mean why not

The tm is run be the same people that also live irl

[scenic glacier]

what r u talkin about

[cedar flower]

Its not like the tm is run by an ai

[violet jolt]

if you are gona compare it then think of it this way, a mythic is a supercar like lamborghini while a legendary is a toyota

[cedar flower]

Yeah but back in the day a car was only for the super rich

But now everyone has it

[violet jolt]

everyone has cheap cars

only the rich people have exotic/super cars

[cedar flower]

Yeah but its still a car

[violet jolt]

and a legendary item is still an item

[cedar flower]

Yeah and only rich people will have shiny's in the future

A supercar is useless to a family of 8

A family of 8 has more value to a mini van than a supercar

But rich people buy supercars to flex

Mythics are usefull so they should be more common, thats why they added shiny's

So the rich can flex that they are rich or someone is lucky

[violet jolt]

causatum is about to drop a fat one 🥶

[cedar flower]

Waiting for it

My guy needs a reality check

[heavy spindle]

@cedar flower I legit had to take a minute to process the level of stupid you just reached. First of all your analogies suck stop you are making your self look uneducated. Second off shut the hell up. I legit could compare the amount of functional brain cells in your skull to the amount of rocks in an empty bag. Your argument has no point and I already debated this with far smarter and more well spoken people yesterday. If you are going to come in here with a debate that has no logic and no thought process behind it please leave. You aren't helping in either direction.

[scenic glacier]

conversation ended

[heavy spindle]

there are so many more important things I could be doing then talking to someone who hit me with this

like taking a shit or falling off a high cliff

[cedar flower]

Damn

[cedar flower]

If you really want to feel special, maybe touch grass instead of typing this

[polar egret]

why are people suddenly talking about real life in artificially made economy discussion 👀

[heavy spindle]

mf I do touch grass Im an adult I need to have an actual life lol

[scenic glacier]

because these can be applied irl

these skills are actually useful sometimes

[polar egret]

this is a game this is as different as it gets

[scenic glacier]

skills still apply

[heavy spindle]

also you know when someone types this they have no response lol

[cedar flower]

Nah can't be bothered to type 500 words like yoy

[polar egret]

skills?

[scenic glacier]

yea like the stock market

[heavy spindle]

that was no 500 words? Not even close it was 3 lines actually

[cold helm]

how is this stupid shit still going on

[cedar flower]

I am enjoying a vacation outside instead of playing the game

[heavy spindle]

I DONT KNOW

[cedar flower]

You started this

[heavy spindle]

then go enjoy your vaction and stop saying dumb stuff my guy

[polar egret]

but comparing quality of life real life items to especially designed chase items is just dumb 😵‍💫

[heavy spindle]

why did you @ me if "I started this"

[cedar flower]

My guy is just mad his pixels is worth less virtual money in a game

[scenic glacier]

oh what i wasn't paying attention to the conversation

[cedar flower]

Oof

[violet jolt]

he compared getting a mythic to getting a smartphone basicaly

[scenic glacier]

🗿

[heavy spindle]

Dude im broke in wynncraft and also none of my mythics have decresaed in value. Im doing this because I feel like the economy needed some attention

[polar egret]

as i understood: Cobra says mythics are like smartphones which were rare now they are not so mythics need to be common like smartphones

[heavy spindle]

ikr bro is weird af

[cedar flower]

Noi was more saying the eco changes overtime and that isn't bad

Some people are just stuck in the pasr and can't accept that

[violet jolt]

[heavy spindle]

this guy has to be trolling right? Like no one is that dumb on purpose?

[cedar flower]

Like i said this is what i meant with it

[polar egret]

I mean this is a game mate there is quite frankly nothing to do at this point in game, like you get miffic after finishing game then what? do tna 5 times? its over for endgame

[scenic glacier]

actually cars kinda suck

[cedar flower]

If mythics was your endgame than change it to shiny mythics

[heavy spindle]

love when smart people exist ty :)

[cold helm]

very much so yes i agree with that

[heavy spindle]

I hate you honestly xD

[polar egret]

for me endgame was grinding rare best gear which now does not exist since shiny mythics are completely useless

[heavy spindle]

shiny mythics are going to fail or sorry are already failing

[scenic glacier]

cars should be for the rich idiots who bother to buy them and public transportation should be the norm

[cedar flower]

You guys just don't understand the pov of a casual player bc you guys are hardcore players. A game dev has to accept that the game is run by casual players and not hardcore players, so they made the update for casual players

[violet jolt]

nah cars should be limited to people who pass an actual difficult driving licenses test and they should also get properly finned by cops when they break traffic rules, that way 70% if not more of the drivers will lose their license

[cold helm]

wait why are we talking about why public transportation is better than cars rn

kinda confused

[cedar flower]

Some people should not be allowed to drive

[heavy spindle]

I am a casual player?? I have a job and I am in Uni i dont have a ton of time to grind wynncraft

[scenic glacier]

i feel like for the common person even mythics are slightly uncommon

[violet jolt]

some people cant even walk in a straight line much less drive a car but here we are with literaly daily lethal car accidents in just my country

[scenic glacier]

like they are uncommon but not rare to get

[scenic glacier]

me when someone mentions cars

[cold helm]

understandable i too instantly think of cars being shit when i see them

[cedar flower]

The endgame is not made for hardcore players, its really hard for a game dev team to balance it for casual players and hardcore players

[polar egret]

i'm not saying mythics were fairly priced before, i always wanted them to heavily drop in price, however current state is actually sad, i have seen spring be cheaper than crafted spring which says a lot

[heavy spindle]

great point!

[elfin egret]

this post sounds so copium

[heavy spindle]

mythics were to expensive so the intial price drop was great but this is to far

[cedar flower]

Okey let me ask this question, why did you guys grind mythics before the update?

To get the achievement of getting mythics or to sell them on the tm for alot of stx

[polar egret]

too much time, i liked raids

[heavy spindle]

Becuase I wanted to have cool items and they were rare and really cool to have

aka (chase item)

[violet jolt]

funy dopamine from getting a rare item i guess

[scenic glacier]

there needs to be another chase item 😎

[cedar flower]

Did the item change?

[violet jolt]

now i get my dopamine from rainbow > aqua > orange

[elfin egret]

y e s

[cedar flower]

So far i know all the mythics are still the same

[heavy spindle]

no and niether has your dumbass point

so stop typing it

[cedar flower]

Why did you chase the item?

[heavy spindle]

because it was rare and cool

[cedar flower]

For the function of the item or for the value of the item

I mean they are still cool right?

The item itself didn't change

They are just less rare

But the item is still the same

[scenic glacier]

it's not rare

[heavy spindle]

no they arent because they are so common that they are crashing the market? Did you read my document? Probably not actually. The item itself didnt change but there is inflation of that item which is stressing the economy rn. That is why this whole post was made. :/

[scenic glacier]

so now it's not a chase item anymore

[cedar flower]

For that certain item yes

[heavy spindle]

for all mythics in 6-7 weeks max

[cedar flower]

But shiny is rare right?

[heavy spindle]

OMFG READ PLEASE READ. I have said so many times and so many others have agreed that shinies dont do what they need to do.

[cedar flower]

Shiny has the same function as a normal mythic, so that means they are cool. A shiny is rare so that means you can chase them

[cold helm]

shiny doesnt do shit they arent cool like at all

[heavy spindle]

this mf dumber than a wall ong

[cedar flower]

Ig you don't know what shiny means in games

[elfin egret]

a wall cannot be dumb ...

[scenic glacier]

ok if you don't think it's cool then you don't think it's cool

[cedar flower]

Shiny is a cosmetic tag like in pokemon

[scenic glacier]

or if you think it's cool then you think it's cool

[heavy spindle]

a shit true nah nvm the walls are way smarter then this Cobra

[cedar flower]

Shiny just gives a value to a item

[heavy spindle]

Cobra did you read the document?

[cold helm]

the cosmetic part nearly doesnt exist here

[cedar flower]

I mean its a tracker

[violet jolt]

the cosmetic part vanishes the moment you equip a skin

[cold helm]

which noone except u and the few ppl that check what stuff ur using will ever see

[cedar flower]

Compare it to csgo eco, a stat track skin is way more expensive than a normal skin

[heavy spindle]

@Cobra did you read the document?

[cedar flower]

Yes

[heavy spindle]

okay good so what was the main problem I listed there?

[cedar flower]

And yes i am comparing this to csgo

[cedar flower]

You crying about the market crashing

[heavy spindle]

wonderful you can read! It was me saying hey guys the market is real fucked rn wanna maybe fix that.

[cedar flower]

I mean why is it fucked?

[scenic glacier]

mythic prices died

[cedar flower]

And why is that bad?

[scenic glacier]

it's too common

[cedar flower]

Its a item that should be used and not somethinf you should put ina musuem

If you want something like that than look at the shiny, that what the shiny is for

[scenic glacier]

it's too common

[heavy spindle]

Buddy if any high value item that has remained consistent in price for years in any situation loses its almost 90% of its value that is really bad. You dont understand basic economics that much is clear. Now im not saying im super economics wizard but I know some basic stuff and even I can see this is a snowball problem.

[cedar flower]

They just changed the value from a normal mythic to a shiny mythic

[scenic glacier]

and way too op for being that common

[cedar flower]

And people complain bc shiny mythics are too hard too get

[scenic glacier]

who tf wants shiny mythics

[cedar flower]

For who is this bad?

[heavy spindle]

plooff it doesnt matter we cant convince the idiot they are wrong. Its a morons greatest strength.

[cold helm]

who tf is compplaining about shiny mythics being rare?

[heavy spindle]

The server.

[cedar flower]

They people that grinded the mythics for alot of hours?

Its bad for the people that had mythics before

Do you think a new player would complain if they get a mythic for 10% of the price?

[heavy spindle]

@cedar flower Dude i give up. You arent worth the time. I have so many more important things to do then argue with a dumb child about why the mythic market losing almost all value in under 3 days is a bad for the economy.

[scenic glacier]

how are you going to get money now that mythics are dirt cheap

[cedar flower]

Like i said, its indeed bad for the hardcore players. But thats only like 5% of the playerbase. Things like thi should also be for the casual players

[cedar flower]

Shiny mythics

[scenic glacier]

those won't sell

[cedar flower]

They do

[cedar flower]

Or actually just play the game

[cold helm]

so my recommendation for our issue here is we stop talking

[scenic glacier]

brooo the only way to get money is a playthrough

[cold helm]

to the dumbass

[heavy spindle]

sounds wonderful to me! :D

[cold helm]

aight ima go do math stuff then

[cedar flower]

My guy knows he is wrong lmao

[heavy spindle]

lowkey just blocked cobra so I wouldnt have to read their stupid responses and it is so nice and peaceful now

[cedar flower]

He says its not for greed but the only reason this is bad bc the value dropped

[elfin egret]

this whole thread sounds like massive copium energy tbh

[cedar flower]

Its so funny lmao

[heavy spindle]

sadly yes at this point it has reached that, it just started as me wanting to give some ideas on how the market could be fixed since its not in good shape

[heavy spindle]

just did still no good points

[cedar flower]

Ty

[heavy spindle]

Cobra you are wrong shut up I have literally no reason to talk with you

you havent made one good point. The people who were arguing your point last night did a far better job.

[cedar flower]

I mean tell me, why is it bad for the eco that the value dropped?

I already overruled your points with facts and you are still blind

[violet jolt]

honestly i love this update, it brought a lot of entertainment in the form of arguments

[cedar flower]

You say my opinion is wrong while i speak about facts and you are just trying to protect your own idea

[scenic glacier]

pls shut up

[cold helm]

sayz every dumbass who thinks they are right ever

[scenic glacier]

you literally haven't been listening

[cold helm]

the gameplay is cool ye

[violet jolt]

yeah the gameplay too

[empty sandal]

rude...

[cedar flower]

I pass

Mythics are not a collectible

If you want a collectible, they have the perfect solution (they are called shinys btw)

Welp now i am just waiting for the next essay

Type a little bit faster will you

[violet jolt]

i wish i had popcorn right about now

[heavy spindle]

You compared mythics to smartphones. Repeated yourself over and over again. Refused to try and see my side of the debate. You also have made no good points and you haven't even touched on why my ideas and solutions to fix the market are bad or good. You have contributed in no meaningful way to either side of this convo. Your points argued were done better last night with far better structure as well as not being full of terrible analogies. If you had showed up and actually argued my solutions and points with logic I would have welcomed it since that is constructive criticism. You didn't, I mean come on you haven't even discussed my ideas to change this issue. If you are going to argue with me please at least try and make it something worth reading.

[cold helm]

i might go make some noodles and eat while i read

[heavy spindle]

In simple words cobra you arent worth the time to talk to and I wish I had realised that before i wasted the better part of an hour.

[cedar flower]

Tldr?

[empty sandal]

an hour????

[heavy spindle]

the better part of an hour or maybe it just feels that way