Economic problem.

[clever knoll]

why would i do a raid more than once?

[lofty mortar]

just spend 10 bucks and you can get any mythic you want with silverbull shares!!!

[glass condor]

there, we need actual rewards in the endgame activities

[prime granite]

what is that screenshotted message naaaah

[clever knoll]

like what? Mythics?

[violet jolt]

wait are you saying that shaman works ?

[prime granite]

this thread should have never been made

[somber citrus]

because its fun :3

[clever knoll]

i love this update! Now i dont have to work to get mythics 😄

[glass condor]

mounts? cosmetics? a tier above mythics? there are a ton of things you could rward palyers with that are rare

[lofty mortar]

lootrunning se was supposed to be post tna content but it got nerfed super hard on beta

[clever knoll]

wait.. you guys are trying to nerf the mythic rates? wow you guys are greedy

[prime granite]

a tier above mythics NAHHHH 💀💀💀💀💀💀

[violet jolt]

olmic tier fr

[clever knoll]

power creep moment

[lofty mortar]

fuck it super mythics

[glass condor]

yeah that wahts normally happens in a level epention

we literally have a super engame area with Fruma

[turbid sphinx]

where 🤨

[glass condor]

make a super endgame challenge thats fits with super engame rewards

[lofty mortar]

surely fruma will have hard content, and it won't be nerfed in beta a million times

[clever knoll]

oh sorry, you clearly know more about fruma than I do, i guess we'll wait and see how the ct handle Olmic tier items 🙂

[glass condor]

now that mythics are easy to get they can make the balance around them

[clever knoll]

goodbye legendary items 🙂

[lofty mortar]

if content was balanced around mythics I still don't think it would be hard

[glass condor]

running around with no pants huh?

[lofty mortar]

every item is mythic in fruma

[tame palm]

Why would you change how the whole game was balanced

[glass condor]

because you can get mythics easier

[tame palm]

That takes a lot more time than tweaking the drop rates of mythics

[river raft]

this is starting to make me think of a really stupid mobile game

[clever knoll]

nah ill use my Olmic Leggings 🙂

[turbid sphinx]

arguing in theoreticals is not the way to go because you know the pace wynn can produce content at

[tame palm]

The easier solution which takes less time is reduce mythic drop rate

[lofty mortar]

can't wait for fruma soon tm

[somber citrus]

it will be buffed instead

[lofty mortar]

ah yes wynn consistently buffs content in the beta!

[violet jolt]

will it be hard enough to where i cant beat it in morph cascade atleast

[somber citrus]

i will try to make it hard enough!!

[glass condor]

that would sjut put it back to the old days where mythics are pretty much non existant

[lofty mortar]

I have never seen something come out of beta intended to be endgame come out of beta hard, tna is easy, lootruns are easy, there is no faith that wynn will make endgame content in fruma

[violet jolt]

incredible!

[somber citrus]

i think you will be surprised

[river raft]

plz ban every player with skill issues so endgame content can be made hard

[somber citrus]

bro has not aquastacked dark gray btw wtf

[violet jolt]

🥶

[lofty mortar]

ah yes aqua stack dark gray which can't happen

[clever knoll]

theyve got a point. Before 2.0.3 i dont think id ever seen a mythic before

[violet jolt]

i managed to do it yesterday but only 3 aquas

[river raft]

the problem is dark grey is not needed to get good rewards

[lofty mortar]

thats only 15 curses

[violet jolt]

dark gray is rarer than rainbow for some ungodly reason

[river raft]

grey beacons are way better than dark grey and have no downside

[lofty mortar]

and you can only get it before challenge 6

[somber citrus]

kid named 70 curses......

[glass condor]

I got a pair of boots from my dailies, but my friend who activly lootran got nothing

[lofty mortar]

you cna't get a 70 curse dark grey anymore lol

[somber citrus]

WHAT

[violet jolt]

he must've actively lootran wrong.. ive rerolled past 4 mythics alredy in just 3 good lootruns

[lofty mortar]

dark grey doesn't spawn after challenge 6

[clever knoll]

what!!! You only got boots? Fuck maybe we need to buff mythic rates even more!

[turbid sphinx]

the blatantly broken reroll beacon not even having a downside is certainly a design choice

[somber citrus]

im going to milk salted why would that get removed 😭

[lofty mortar]

ikr

[glass condor]

its called rng

[lofty mortar]

lootruns were already broken enough you can get 40+ rerolls but not a 70 dark grey anymore

[violet jolt]

what if rainbow > aqua >aqua >aqua >aqua >dark grey

[lofty mortar]

I mean thats so fucking rare

[violet jolt]

but not impossible

[clever knoll]

what if i open my chest with 10 challenges and got 10 mythics

[lofty mortar]

I mean mathematically I would call it close to improbable

[violet jolt]

dark grey in itself is so rare that ive seen it only 2 times unlike rainbow which ive seen 5 or 6 times

[lofty mortar]

yeah dark grey might as well not be in the game

[violet jolt]

celebrate!

[lofty mortar]

it is nice though because you can get really good boons that scale with curses early so you don't need to grind boons as loong in the midrun

grey beacon needs like 5 curses with it

I mean you double the amount of pulls you get

[violet jolt]

russel how exactly do you go about doing 100+ challenge runs

at what point do you get curses

[lofty mortar]

at the end

when you know the run is going long you stop taking curses

[violet jolt]

yeah i thought you were a psycho for a second when you said

[lofty mortar]

the curse boons are really strong so having 5 curses is not bad for one challenge

[violet jolt]

well i'd rather not risk getting multiple damage resistances early on

that just gona slow the entire lootrun

[lofty mortar]

yeah most of the time I risk the dark grey it always fucks the run but I could see it being decent if you got lucky

[violet jolt]

like i usualy do 110-120 challenge runs in 2 hours while a guildmate yesterday did a 110 in almost 4 hours cuz he took so many curses

[lofty mortar]

that being said I've taken 2 dark greys

[clever knoll]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/2-0-3-lootrunning-opinions.309409/

[glass condor]

what builds are you 2 running

[violet jolt]

warpanist

[lofty mortar]

I'm running crafted tstack helm and lq/lb boots epoch w/ strati offhand because it's fun

[glass condor]

is there a comparable non mythic/crafted build

[lofty mortar]

theres plenty the boons carry you

I mean literally the gear doesn't matter thats why I wear lq/lb boots and walk speed gear

[violet jolt]

you could unironicaly go morph cascade and still become god incarnate with boons

[glass condor]

you get 1 extra raward per challenge completed right?

[lofty mortar]

yes every challenge is 1 reward

[glass condor]

yeah I am running it wrong

[lofty mortar]

if you're running a weak build dont stack curses

[violet jolt]

if you ask me dont stack curses period

only towards the end of the run

[lofty mortar]

yeah I mean thats fair but most people aren't doing super long runs

[glass condor]

I ahven't unlocked the beacons for them yet

[violet jolt]

well even in a short run i would prefer to focus on grey over purple

[lofty mortar]

if you're doing only doing 10 challenges curse stack is a decent way to get some good rewards

I maen you always take grey lol

[glass condor]

actually can you 2 send me the builds you using?

[violet jolt]

ah you arent max rank no wonder you cant get a good run

[lofty mortar]

yeah rank really helps

[glass condor]

I mean I am forcing it on cocus to

[violet jolt]

just do short 10 challenge runs untill you hhit master

[glass condor]

so yeah, naturally I am not doing great

[lofty mortar]

corkus imo is harder than se

especially if you are in worse gear

[violet jolt]

yeah i tried corkus once and just gaveup on that zone

every cave having 2-3 scattered chests with different kill requirements 🥶

[lofty mortar]

yeah I got vibrant orange at pirate latice and never went back

[violet jolt]

its such a time sink

[glass condor]

my shamen gear is pretty good, eaven have Fantasia

but its still shamen

[lofty mortar]

yeah with shaman as long as you focus on not destroy you can really prosper

[violet jolt]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=4#8_02709-0p00Qj0K2CR-19c9i9i9S9i4N9m91CR-19c9c9i6w9i4N9c910Ji0R10l0I1f-P2W1g00001007lU0z0z0+0+0+0+0sllwpppl1
WynnBuilder build:

Aquamarine
Conduit of Spirit
The Ephemeral
Moontower
Moon Pool Circlet
CR-19c9i9i9S9i4N9m91
CR-19c9c9i6w9i4N9c91
Contrast
Warp [a6a6a6]
(Has Tomes)

[lofty mortar]

shaman actually kinda excels in lr

[turbid sphinx]

i like how they fixed the colour key in that one cave falling out of reach but didn't touch pirate lattice

fuck that cave

[glass condor]

it would been fine if it had 1 locked chests

[lofty mortar]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/?v=3#8_CR-18rAY6c8r62As9g910KF0PWCR-1969F9F5+5+5+9a910Jf0Nm0OU0OT0uz0j1U-Y-b1p1g00001007lU0z0z0+0+0+0+0-V-d-K

[glass condor]

but whoever decided that area should have 4 locked chests

[lofty mortar]

yeah the corkus areas are so dog

that might be why you're having a hard time

[violet jolt]

yea just go SE
and prosper

[glass condor]

that build is broken

or is it stil lthe same skills 1 to 1?

[lofty mortar]

not really it's worse than idol or most mage builds

the skills on that are wrong it's old

I think my skills now are better though trapper being in the middle is so strong

[violet jolt]

ah what a sight to log into first thing in the morning

[glass condor]

yeha I mostly need a updated skil ltree

so much changed since I orginally played back in the start of 2.0

[lofty mortar]

yeah trees are crazy now, I also stopped around 2.0 so I've been getting real experimental with the trees I do all my own builds

[glass condor]

oof yeah

thought someone already figured out the meta

the good thing I have a 103 archer and a 90 mage

just need to get gear together for them

[lofty mortar]

I think trapper changes have made archer stupid good even w/o mythics

you can get mixxy with pet trapper and boltslinger

[glass condor]

funny that archer is the one that breaks the meta every time

[river raft]

what does that second thing even mean...fails slowly?

[violet jolt]

no idea tbh

[glass condor]

wait can you use the horse in the lootruns?

[lofty mortar]

I thought you couldn't

[glass condor]

I jsut want to make shure if its wynntills or if you could summon them normally

[lofty mortar]

I thought I saw someone say they couldn't in all fairness my shaman was the only class I didn't play on beta and it's the only class I use that uses a horse

[glass condor]

yeha I could't

and it confused me

[lofty mortar]

maybe it was having issues trying to auto horse in lootruns

[lofty mortar]

can you use the content books now with wynntills?

[glass condor]

it did do a ton of errors in the lootrun

[violet jolt]

both the content and the old pre 2.0.3 book

[river raft]

horses are not allowed in lootruns

for a reason zeer still wont reveal

[glass condor]

I really wished they where

[river raft]

same

[glass condor]

because I want like alittle bit less carpel tunnel from playing my shamen

[river raft]

EXACTLY

even on idol sometimes I wanna horse

[lofty mortar]

the best part of my epoch build is I cast literally zero spells and run with strati

so good on the wrist

[violet jolt]

laughs in warp

[glass condor]

is it a tierstack one?

[lofty mortar]

yeah

[glass condor]

yeah my current archer build is also tierstack but thats one has allot of problems

[lofty mortar]

which bow? w/o epoch im pretty sure thiings like hmelee are better on archer

[glass condor]

anthra balista

it also has 0 hp regen

[lofty mortar]

yeah don't you want to do hmelee with ant balls?

I've never used it so tbh I don't know

[glass condor]

whats hevay melee for archer?

jsut the same but not tierstacking?

like still wodner if the archer will be better for the lootruns or the mage, or if it dosn't matter

[lofty mortar]

mage w/o mythics will be better than archer w/o mythics

[glass condor]

good to know

[lofty mortar]

I mean archer might be faster but I think you'll just have a better time on mage

[glass condor]

next goal is pwoer level archer to the finish

get a build, and try to get warp from the current camp

or whatever else falls in my hands

[lofty mortar]

I mean 103 you can have a whole build

[glass condor]

its 90 right now

[river raft]

I thought 104 was last ability point?

[lofty mortar]

yeah but do you really need the last ability point

[glass condor]

also how are the arcanists meages keeping themself alive

[river raft]

its always useful

[lofty mortar]

think they probably just don't get hit

[rare saffron]

Not getting hit and hp pots

[glass condor]

I saw your forum post

[rare saffron]

Oh which one?

Been a while since I've been on forums

[glass condor]

wait mixing up people

its raw fish psoted that I saw

[rare saffron]

Oh lol

[glass condor]

it was just a vido about a really strong arcanist build but it used 2 mythics so

[rare saffron]

For this thread though I don't think people will ever agree with each other since we're arguing two largely unrelated points for and against.

[glass condor]

yeah, its allot of different isues coming together

also now its to late to really backpeddle

[rare saffron]

The argument for mythics being this common is: it makes endgame content more accessible
The argument against is: wiping out past time put in and not really an expensive item to strive towards

(as far as I can tell at least)

[glass condor]

I still think making the shining ones more cool would help

[rare saffron]

Yeah the solution is having super rare expensive items that are cosmetic I think because that solves both issues.

[lofty mortar]

Idk I think the first issue isn't real

all the content in the game is doable with legendaries

[glass condor]

I did Tna with legendarys, but I would feel a llot more comfortable with mythics to not have a coinflip on the raids if I win or not

[lofty mortar]

and sacrificing one part of the game for a non issue seems bad

[rare saffron]

Yes but not having them severely limits the amount of viable builds

I really did feel that many things needed mythics to be done well

[glass condor]

also man wheathered literally changes assasins builds

you have a few mythics that jsut are like perfectly made for your builds

[lofty mortar]

I mean done well yes thats why you strive for them, but things are still doable without them. There the gold at the end of the rainbow

[rare saffron]

Yes but I'd like to not have to spend tens of hours loot running just to allow myself to play not the one non mythic build that works

[lofty mortar]

and I mean just to clarify mythics needed to be more common than they were but more rare than now we went to the opposite side of the spectrum imo no mythic should sell unied for over 20 stacks

[river raft]

also lootrunning is both easier to get into AND more fun now, that should be enough to "make endgame content more accessible"

I don't think mythics being this easy to get needs to be part of that

[lofty mortar]

and there is more than one non mythic build that work, thats a huge lie. Exactly mythics didn't need to become easier to get lootrunning just needed to be accessible

[glass condor]

depends allot on the class and archetype

some just don't hit as well

[lofty mortar]

for sure but every class(besides shaman but thats a design problem) can succeed with legendarys

and as if mythics don't make you play like 3-4 meta builds accross each class if you want to use them to a level they are better than legendarys

[rare saffron]

Mythics were rare items locked behind unlikely rng so lring for them also felt like a shot in the dark always. There wasn't any sense of progression

[lofty mortar]

I mean now you just get them, is that progression?

you have enough le from quests to buy a mythic lol

[glass condor]

I mean you are running runs with 100 items

I only figured that out after you told me

maybe the system just needs some fixes at a few parts

at the same time the damage is done

[lofty mortar]

like I said though old rates were way too bad, idol shouldn't be 25 stacks unided thats nuts

but new rates have killed the market, and damage isn't done we have had huge dupes we came back from this is just like a really really bad dupe

[glass condor]

its also bad that the best money making methode is also the one you get mythics form

[lofty mortar]

so true!

you ggenerate so much raw from lootruns

[glass condor]

whihc in thory should actually increase the prices to

since they generate so much more liquid into the economy

[lofty mortar]

the problem is the le is generated slower than the mythics

[glass condor]

I still think most haven't figure out how to chain the extreme runs yet

there isn't like a easy do it with legendary gear video

[lofty mortar]

100% but when people figure out to spawn mythics in it's actually over

I migth as well have /give on a really good run

[glass condor]

so instead of fixing the rates its more they need to prevent the really crazy runs

[lofty mortar]

I've been saying that lol, it's not okay you can get 40 reroll runs

for no downside

[glass condor]

40 rerolls

oof

[lofty mortar]

and thats with over 70 rewards too

so not only are your chests filled with only good loot, but you also can reroll it to your hearts content

[glass condor]

yeah I really need to do that

it does sounds like a ton of fun thou

[lofty mortar]

I still think they need to lower the le generated or the mythics generated too, it shouldn't be both the best le per hour and make a bunch of mythics.

[glass condor]

eaven if it fucks with everything

[turbid sphinx]

i get that rerolls might exist as motivation for people to feel like their runs aren't a complete waste of time, but even significant downsides can be easily circumvented

if they were to be added. i don't think it should be a beacon

[lofty mortar]

I mean throw +5 curses on reroll beacon and you can't have 40 reroll runs anymore

as you would get 200 curses and your run would be dead

even 50 curses kills your run

[glass condor]

or jsut make the rerolls more rare the more you already have

[lofty mortar]

rarity doesn't matter because orange beacon

with 6 choices you will always get a "rare" option

[glass condor]

can you get mutiple gray beacons in a run?

[lofty mortar]

nope it's one and done

[glass condor]

okay my friends where right with that one

[lofty mortar]

you can only get one white, one rainbow, one gray, two orange, 10red/green and some amount of aqua that seems like it's not working rn

[glass condor]

so a run is actually limited?

[lofty mortar]

yes

[glass condor]

thats how many challenges?

[lyric finch]

spring is 12 le now

[lofty mortar]

uh idk to get the max challenges you give up a lot of rerolls

[turbid sphinx]

depends on aquas

[lyric finch]

we're doomed

[lofty mortar]

theres a sweet spot at like 100 challenges

too much past and it's not worth it at all

[glass condor]

thats super low

spring was good right?

[lofty mortar]

eh, theres a craft bow that is comparable

[glass condor]

but is the crafted one 12 le

[lofty mortar]

I mean it can get pricey for a good roll iirc

not mythic pricey

spring is probably the worst endgame archer bow

[glass condor]

ow really

whats the best 3?

[lofty mortar]

it's really hard to say they all have there issues

my 3 favorites are strati,gma,epoch. But it's hard to say divzer and freedom are close in power to those 3. Ignis I'm not a huge fan of though

[lyric finch]

strati epoch freedom

strati for fun purposes
epoch for damage
freedom for ease of use

[heavy spindle]

the point was that we are losing chase items which is casuing a very pressing issue in the market also unid warp hit 5 stacks and is still dropping

[river raft]

5stx unIDed holy orphion

[lofty mortar]

unided warps should be like 7-10 stacks thats pretty healthy for the game

[river raft]

yea

[lofty mortar]

3-5 stacks is problematic

and honestly I don't think your warp will sell

even if it's listed that cheap

[upbeat moss]

sunstar💀

[lofty mortar]

it was already over for sunstar

[lyric finch]

what are lunar charm prices rn?

[upbeat moss]

overdrive > sunstar

[lyric finch]

I'm gonna sell my 1 stack of charms and buy me some mithics :>>>>

[river raft]

57eb

[upbeat moss]

(real)

[lyric finch]

fuck

[violet jolt]

you know its bad when you would prefer 20 raw LE from the LR chest over a sunstar

[lyric finch]

fuck fuck fuck

[river raft]

not real (real)

[lyric finch]

time to tna grind ig

[upbeat moss]

steal grind worth

shoudl haev do mroe ingred grind whe nppl stil do dloot

[lofty mortar]

just grind lr it's more raw and chance at mythics

[rare saffron]

Are chase items not just expensive items to strive for? And other than past hard work being devalued and the once expensive item becoming cheap is there any reason warp becoming cheap is a bad thing?

[solid loom]

1. Mythics will become more accessible thanks the loot table mechanic in lootcamps. People can now basically choose to wait for their wanted mythic to grind for. This fixes the problem of a frustrating grind for hours to get only boots, while also lowering the price of absurdly prices mythics. This is fine and good, I think most people agree.

2. Current rates are too high. This take is not based only on the reactipn to what is happening on market, but on seeing my own and several other players having absurd mythic drop rates with an efficient build. The result of this is making mythics no longer feel special (they are now common), which before was an effective player retention mechanic of wynncraft. (It’s a mmorpg, take a hint from any other successful mmorpg. Grinding for a big reward at the end is very appealing to players). Mythics will still be accessible thanks to the new loot table mechanic, it does not have to kill off this other part of the endgame content in the process.

3. Shiny mythics won’t be the new mythic. This is a subjective point, yet many people I talk to seem to agree. No matter how shiny you make it out to be, it will only be a cosmetic in the end. Yes people will still grind for it, just like in csgo or any other game. But the patch will also kill off the feeling of actual progression that grinding for endgame mythics have. The grind to first get mythics and then mythics with better and better stats effectively works as an hyperendgame leveling system. The new rates severely nerfs (i would say kills) this system by making decent mythics so stupidly over the top easily accessible that there isn’t any reason to grind for them.

4. I think a lot of people want to dismiss the complaints as the people who did not benefit from the update complaining about their loss, as with any update. While many are arguing from this standpoint, the update has this time around actually caused a real problem in killing off an important endgame side of content.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk, for my sanity I will try to stop typing about this now. Good bye

[normal idol]

💀

[lofty mortar]

why skull that warp is the pinnacle mage weapon?

there is no getting better than warp for a mage

[normal idol]

What is this even based off of, that 10 stx is healthy or that warp is the bestest mage item

[lofty mortar]

I am saying for the best possible item for a mage, 7-10 stacks would be fair

[glass condor]

wasn't it so expensive because it was used for old lootrunning and mage had the most amount of weapons

[lofty mortar]

maybe there is some other factors, but often movement mythics are the most expensive mythics

[grizzled goblet]

ami crazy for saying that thats cheap 💀 it has insane dps and is amazing for lootrunning and movement

[lofty mortar]

even when lootrunning wasn't a thing strati was the most expensive mythic because it made you fast

nah but it's a good middle ground

15-18 is too much 3-5 is too little 7-10 is just right 👍

[grizzled goblet]

i was gonna sayt like 10-15 in that range

[glass condor]

14 emerald block last offer

[normal idol]

Lol good thing the prices are going down then

[lofty mortar]

I mean anyway we go about it mythics will be more common than what they were so should we want to aim for balance so that we reach the middle?

7-10 stacks isn't crazy for a player to get

a usuable warp was just posted for 2 stacks, thats like 3-4 hours of lootrunning

[glass condor]

I slowly feel liek we should add a garantee for a mythic if you are unlucky, and than also just make them untradable

[grizzled goblet]

make mythics untradable?????? 💀

[normal idol]

Untradable mythics would be a really bad idea

[glass condor]

now you needc to actually grind them yourself

[lofty mortar]

I mean with how many mythics there are they might as well be untradable, because those warps won't sell after being int he chest for 5 more days

[grizzled goblet]

what would you even buy with le if mythics were untradable

[lofty mortar]

li tickets

the true endgame

[glass condor]

you would need it for rerolls, since the mythic you get is what you stuk iwth

[clever knoll]

2.0.3 gameplay

-join game
-do quests
-hit lvl 105
-buy mythic
-this is cool!
-boring
-quit

[lofty mortar]

youre wrong

2.0.3 gameplay join game, do quest, hit level 35, get bored, quit. But still get catered too!

[glass condor]

allot of people leave the game at the jungle area, and I also did it in the past

that mid section is horrible

[lofty mortar]

wynn leveling is so troll despair

atleast it's quick

[grizzled goblet]

in my personal opinion i didnt mind idol being 35 and warp being 24, it was a nice end goal

[normal idol]

Me when the game improves its early game (they are forcing all old players to quit)

[clever knoll]

???

[lofty mortar]

they've invested so much into reworking the early game for so long lol!

[glass condor]

yeah and each time it feels really needed

they still need to add more fast travel points

[grizzled goblet]

and it's definitely possible to enjoy the game without them 💀

[clever knoll]

nah improving early game is actually smart, player retention is a priority for the server, improving early game helps that

[lofty mortar]

every update reworks a level 10 quest or adds a new grind spot because surely thats why new players are quitiing it's certainly not other fundemental issues leveling

[clever knoll]

not that other areas dont matter, mind you, but early game is one of the most important

[lofty mortar]

yeah I 100% agree

[clever knoll]

but yeah idk what this means

[glass condor]

I sitll thin kthe mid game spaclie needs a update they focused on the early and end allot

[normal idol]

Fr we should make more new players quit so that less of them end up lootrunning and disrupting the economy

[lofty mortar]

ah yes this is exactly what I think

nice strawman, you're a great discord mod!

[clever knoll]

i hate new players, way too poor for my liking 😎

[glass condor]

only allow lv 106 players to lootrun

[lofty mortar]

new players are just nons without champion, we should make wynn champion only so there isn't non new players!

[normal idol]

Sardonic take on the common update (not just 2.0.3) complaint where old players want the update reverted and threaten to quit the game

[clever knoll]

i dont think ive seen anyone want the update reverted, people want mythics to be rare again

[lofty mortar]

I don't think a single person is asking to revert we all like new lootruns, it's just the rates are too high lol. Good strawman again

[normal idol]

Cause it happens every update but wynn goes on

[glass condor]

making them rarer again kinda goes against the main point of the update

[lofty mortar]

the main point of the update was to make lootrunning accessible

[clever knoll]

killing mythic prices wasnt the point of the update.

[glass condor]

we had the beta period so

[normal idol]

How can we be sure that mythic prices aren’t just correcting themselves cause no one wants to spend 20 stx on a weapon slightly more powerful than their existing one

[clever knoll]

good troll

[lofty mortar]

than no one would've bought mythics before update? why spend 10000x the price of a legendary for not 10000x the return on throughput???

[clever knoll]

so what

[glass condor]

they knew it would happen

[lofty mortar]

the beta doesn't simulate the impact on the econ

most people were concerned with how much raw was made in the beta not the mythics

because it was way more raw than right now

hard to guess the outcome of 1000+ people lootrunning a day vs 10-20 people lootrunning

[glass condor]

so warp fell from 20 stx to 4

mutiple liquid gain from lootrunns by 5x and we can have 20stx price again

[normal idol]

It’s almost as if getting 30 stx raw from the bottom was a gigantic hurdle and people mostly relied on just being lucky and trying to find their expensive mythic to sell

[normal idol]

Also yeah the beta is not a good place to test stuff like that

[lofty mortar]

the problem is I don't disagree that was a problem!!!!

[clever knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[lofty mortar]

like I swear you aren't reading to what I am saying

and just strawmanning my argument

[clever knoll]

yeah idk i dont think people would ever buy mythics for 30 stx thats way too much

[glass condor]

I mean it was only ever baught by another lootrunner

[lofty mortar]

.

[normal idol]

Ironic given that one of us is a dev and rest have no impact on the game

[clever knoll]

if i had complete control over changes to lr then changes wouldve been made already

[lofty mortar]

there is no one with any real impact here lol, most interacted thread since update and no interaction with anyone with any power lol

[normal idol]

Though tbf this is really just on salted cause realistically no one has the power to make changes besides him

[clever knoll]

not throwing shade on salted btw, i think ive made my opinions pretty clear

[normal idol]

And I don’t find it likely that he will, at least publicly, for quite some months

[glass condor]

how about we give the shiny mythics a atleast 80%+ indenfication rate?

makes them atleast allot more desirable than they already are

[lofty mortar]

I mean just give players any agency with shinys and maybe people will care

[clever knoll]

noelos i think you fundamentally do not understand the meaning of power creep

[glass condor]

how is that pwoer creep

it alady is stats than can be reached

[clever knoll]

that would drastically increase the amount of godly mythics

i cant be bothered to spoon feed this to you, sorry

[glass condor]

its only the shiny ones they are suposed be be special

thats literally what the normal mythics where

[normal idol]

Tbf it’s basically just equivocating shiny mythics and godly roll mythics, which might not be bad, but the issue lies therein both on lootruns not being trusted to actually have an appropriately low rate of shinies, and godly roll mythics already naturally being limited by hard RNG and exponential reroll prices

[lofty mortar]

yeah it's just potential for another issue the godly mythic prices are dying already, atleast they still exists somewhat rare

[glass condor]

reduce the shiny rate than, but keep the normal mythic rate for people that want to make builds with them

[normal idol]

Though I don’t really think it would be power creep since mythics of that power exist already

[clever knoll]

they are far harder to obtain

[normal idol]

Yeah, but at some point the increase in power from +1% spell damage or better rolls on elemental defense are marginal

[clever knoll]

perfect discoverer exists, so whats the harm in making shiny discoverers all perfect? well, whats the point in using a disco that isnt perfect, if I can just get a perfect one?

[glass condor]

because the shiny one will be the one that is traded for a ton of emeralds

[clever knoll]

this is power creep, now all discoverers being used are perfect, and non perfect ones are worth exponentially less than they should be

[cold helm]

What's the point of even using a disco in this update

[clever knoll]

i used disco as an example because perfect disco exists

[glass condor]

and I was saying 80% ad a example

it can be tweaked down, or the ampliders would't work on it

[clever knoll]

perfect disco was a standin for godly mythics, 80% baseline would make all shiny mythics godly

[violet jolt]

shinies should remain purely cosmetic but maybe a more appealing cosmetic feature would be nice

[normal idol]

Yup

[clever knoll]

ok im done spoonfeeding this is an insane argument

[glass condor]

I did say atleast a way to show the stat tracker in a cool way

[cold helm]

I'm honestly surprised u guys are still talking about this

[clever knoll]

im trying hard not to be rude, sorry if i come off that way

[lofty mortar]

yeah stat tracker only being seen by you is so garbage

not choosing what stat it is, garbage

[glass condor]

''the weapon howering infront of the warrior in a briliant light with a acient text saying how many foes he slain''

[lofty mortar]

imagine

that would be crazy sick but im sure thats super hard to do

idk we can't expect projections of your stat track

on a 1.12.2 compatible server

[violet jolt]

maybe make the stat show in chat as a badge that you can hover over for more details

[lofty mortar]

that could be cool

[cold helm]

Ye

[normal idol]

Society if wynncraft would take the plunge and update to a higher version already

[lofty mortar]

dude as someone who has worked on 1.16.5+ servers before it runs so dogshit but you can do some cool things. Wynn is making the right decision

[lyric finch]

high base dmg
high walk speed

what else do you need in a weapon

[normal idol]

…Not a thousand -hpr and -40 mr but yeah everything is fine

[lofty mortar]

I mean those stats can be negated with ease

[violet jolt]

yeah it was impossible to deal wit h the mana pre 2.0 but now its a piece of cake

[lofty mortar]

thats why it's worth so much and yeah new mana made warp super good

[clever knoll]

what? only you can see your shinies stat tracks?

[normal idol]

The blind spot

[glass condor]

yeah thats makes them so underwhelming

[lofty mortar]

I mean are you going around trading your mythics so people can see them?

[clever knoll]

i didnt even know that, thats insane

[scenic glacier]

can we change the shiny stat of disco

[normal idol]

How else are you going to show it to other players

[glass condor]

literally only on discord with a screenshot

[clever knoll]

what?

[normal idol]

Wrong reply fail

[lofty mortar]

yeah shiny might as well not exist it was made so bad

if you have a weapon skin on you can't see the only thing to identify it as a shiny as well

[glass condor]

I mean with a bit of work they could become the new hot item but yeah, not the current state

[normal idol]

But yeah the point of a shiny is completely missed if you can’t even show it off to others

[glass condor]

would be cool if they made your entirre body enchanted

[lofty mortar]

I wonder if you can still do glows for people past 1.18, it would be cool if you got a glow to people in later version

[tame palm]

Well depends on the other persons settings

[lofty mortar]

do people turn glows off?

[cold helm]

I have glows on usually

[tame palm]

No but when it’s default it’s barely noticeable

[scenic glacier]

wait so what is the main problem with mythics being really accessible now

[glass condor]

mostly that there is not a recplacment for a rare item to get

[lofty mortar]

yeah theres a giant empty hole

[scenic glacier]

and if shinies were better implemented

[clever knoll]

#1129910819237400616 message

[glass condor]

the thread should be renamded to: ''make shinies better''

[normal idol]

People can waffle around disagreeing on what price is healthy for mythics but everyone can agree that shinies suck lol

[lofty mortar]

I still think if shinies were good mythic change would still be bad @ current rates(this isn't implying old rates were good either)

[scenic glacier]

hmm m m m mmake a new lootrunning

[lofty mortar]

not a signle player has liked shinies even on beta people thought they were dogshit, the fact the update shipped so it was out mid summer is crazy

[scenic glacier]

wait so the problem really is you can't add anything else because of power creep

[cold helm]

ye

[normal idol]

Well you could, it would just be not a good idea

[tame palm]

I think the problem is mythics being too common

[lofty mortar]

even if we added new things to chase people would complain about them

[normal idol]

They don’t want to increase the gap between non-mythic and extra-powerful-shiny-mythic even more

[violet jolt]

mythics being common is adifferent problem than shinies sucking

[tame palm]

Yeah I know

[violet jolt]

both are quite sucky but for different reasons

[tame palm]

Mythics being way too common imo is a bigger problem

[scenic glacier]

solution: delete mythics

[normal idol]

Ideally shinies would

• have the tracked stat customizable to the user (who cares about wars won if you’re not a warrer)
• show off in some way to other players (chat, above playername, etc)

Perhaps another way shinies could be more lucrative in a really funny way is if they were automatically /signed by whoever found them

[scenic glacier]

actually if you just removed mythics from the loot tables rn it would solve the money issue

[tame palm]

This makes them way to hard to find

[lofty mortar]

this is neat

but only if you are a notable player

or throw money away for a notable players item

[scenic glacier]

was pre 2.0.3 lootrunning too hard?

[tame palm]

No but you see

[normal idol]

Both if you’re a notable player or looking to buy said player’s item

[tame palm]

Chests were better pre 2.0.3 and you could lootrun multiple times a day

[glass condor]

boring, tedius, and unfair

[tame palm]

Now you can only old lootrun one every 3 days/18 hours

[glass condor]

per class

[violet jolt]

not even old lootrun cuz the chests are worse than before

[normal idol]

Either way would play into the notoriety around lr and market community

[tame palm]

14 runs every 3days / 18 hours still sucks

[lofty mortar]

lots of people with big money aren't too on the radar and lots of people hate rich players lol

[tame palm]

• most people can only do 5

[scenic glacier]

what would happen if the amount of mythics in the chest were reduced and the chances of getting a mythic decreased

[glass condor]

I ifnd it better than every time I try to run someone already took the chests infront of me

[tame palm]

This is a skill issue on your part

[normal idol]

Most sane pre 2.0.3 lootrunning argument

[glass condor]

the entire lootrunning discord was a super toxic enviroment

[tame palm]

Yeah like every competitive scene

[lofty mortar]

client side chest should've happened so long ago

[violet jolt]

current lootruning as a content is way better since it atleast involves some minor amount of strategy and thinking and is somewhat fun

[lofty mortar]

yeah new lootrunning is so much better than old lootrunning it's not even funny

[glass condor]

I like that its I want to do this now and than you do it

[violet jolt]

i would unironicaly enjoy the current lootrun system even if mythic chance was drasticaly decreased, getting good beacons is more fun than getting a mythic tbh

[cold helm]

true

[lofty mortar]

yeah you see i feel like people would engage the content even if they didn't get mythics constantly

[tame palm]

Yeah

[glass condor]

do you already own mythics

[lofty mortar]

you get good money even without the mythics

[tame palm]

It’s the only repeatable endgame content

[violet jolt]

and dopamine rush from funy rainbow beacon or +6 orange beacon choice

🤤

[tame palm]

Not me, only mythic I ever got was warcheif

[glass condor]

professions

[lofty mortar]

getting two vibrant oranges in a run hits harder than finding an old mythic

[tame palm]

Mental illness

[lofty mortar]

if I wanted to do professions I'd play runescape that has professions and a good econ

[tame palm]

• proffs aren’t repeatable, it’s just long

[violet jolt]

fr

profs are more bland than old lootruning

[glass condor]

lootrunning is tecnicly also fininte

[lofty mortar]

how so?

[glass condor]

you get all the mythics

[lofty mortar]

I mean I can tell you theres people in this thread that can buy all the mythics and still interact with lootrunning

[tame palm]

Lootrunning is still fun and gives good raw

[glass condor]

I mean there area sl opeople that did do all professions and still grind it more

[normal idol]

Some people just love gambling, and they love making money

[tame palm]

Even if you have every mythic you can still get raw, and lring itself is fun

[violet jolt]

i worry about their mental health cough @shell spoke cough

[lofty mortar]

exactly but is it gambling or making money. I know often I will get a mythic and often I won't be able to make money off of it

thats the core issue right there. No uncertainty about anything anymore

[glass condor]

again what do you want to buy with the money

[lofty mortar]

I know which mythics I can get and that pool is single digits and I know 6/7ths of them won't sell

[glass condor]

people jsut seem to horde money for no reason

[lofty mortar]

sometimes it's good to see the funny number go up!

[violet jolt]

^^

[tame palm]

It’s called greed and it’s basic human nature

[glass condor]

I mean you stil ldo see that because of the LE

[clever knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[violet jolt]

it hits different when you have a page or two full of raw LE

[tame palm]

Also it’s fun seeing number get big

[lofty mortar]

yeah seeing your first page of raw le is nuts

[clever knoll]

im convinced noelos is like an alien pretending to be human or an AI

[tame palm]

First page? Bro seeing my first stack was nuts

[glass condor]

if I have currency I use it

[lofty mortar]

thats why you're poor and I'm not!

being poor also isn't bad

[glass condor]

I have fun with my stuff I buy

[tame palm]

I spend all my money buying silverbull

🔥🔥

[clever knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/1071032804768497776/togif.gif

[normal idol]

Why is it not surprising that a thread about preventing mythics from devaluing turns into “my first page of stx” and “you’re poor and I’m rich”

[lofty mortar]

I mean is it not true that the reason I have a page+ of le is because I spend my money wisely?

[clever knoll]

because people with a lot of mythics used to be rich

[glass condor]

its because you spend you time unwisely

as I did in some other games in the past

[lofty mortar]

I mean I'm a 4.0 computer science student w/ a girlfriend and hobbies

[clever knoll]

random ass insult towards rich players

[tame palm]

Idk man getting money isn’t that hard

[lofty mortar]

my time is spent well and on things I'm passionate about

because spending time on things you're passionate about is the only way to wisely use your time.

[glass condor]

this is still not as bad as my 300 hours I put into Destiny 2 in 3 months and they they anaunced Sunsetting and removal of content

[tame palm]

300 hours in 3 months is nothing

[clever knoll]

thousands of hours spent grinding just for mythics to be devalued within 3 days

[tame palm]

I put like 4K hours into mc in 5 ish months

[glass condor]

its an mmo rpg what did you expect

[tame palm]

Prices should not fall that rapidly

[lofty mortar]

there is no precedent of that

[glass condor]

thats like a expected mmo rpg move

[clever knoll]

you are brainless

[lofty mortar]

often times mmo rpgs trying to avoid killing the econ

[glass condor]

old epansion raid gear gets worthless and replaced by new raid gear

[heavy spindle]

yo warp dropped more and diver dipped to a stack a little

[lofty mortar]

almost two pages of warps woo!

[tame palm]

How much is warp now

[polar egret]

anyway so like, whats the point of raids now? besides doing them 5 times for tomes?

[clever knoll]

none

forgery? gone

[polar egret]

i mean forgery was garbage for a long time now i almost forgot about it

[lofty mortar]

you can finally do them now that you ahve all your mythic builds!

[clever knoll]

still people who think the updates effects on mythics is good btw

[blissful nova]

Yeesh
1600 messages over half a day or so

[glass condor]

good update can get mythics

fun gameplay loop to

[tame palm]

You could always get mythics

[clever knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[glass condor]

it was boring in the past

[clever knoll]

just ignore noelos they are trolling

[lofty mortar]

bacon egg and cheese, steak, bread

[tame palm]

Do not
Do not feed the troll

[violet jolt]

the content is hella fun but mythics are too common for sure

[glass condor]

its not a troll its my honest opiion, wow someone having a different opion what a suprise

[lavish sundial]

They don't agree with me, they troll 🤡

[polar egret]

tbh your opinion is that if someone spends "too much" time in a game, their achievments are redundant and can be nullified

[clever knoll]

calling you a troll is much better than the alternative, which is that you are a moron who has not been reading anything for the past 24 hours

sorry this is just ridiculous at this point

[lusty silo]

economic problem.

[glass condor]

yeah that happens all the time

[tame palm]

Doesn’t make it a good thing

[glass condor]

this is one of the least probleatic things in allot of games I seen

[tame palm]

Still a problem

[grizzled goblet]

god i hope this isnt true

[glass condor]

for some

[clever knoll]

noelos please just leave if all you're gonna do is shut your ears and fight strawmen

[polar egret]

anyway this update is just sad for me since lr are 🔥 but god damn its joever

[tame palm]

Do you play hsb?

[glass condor]

hsb?

[lofty mortar]

I mean this is along the lines of the biggest problematic events that happens in any mmorpg. When the old guard leaves and the new players quit because they aren't invested games die

[tame palm]

If you do I’ll put it into words you can understand

[tame palm]

Hypixel skybl*ck

[glass condor]

no

[tame palm]

Ok nvm

[glass condor]

the grindest game I am still playing is Warframe, and that really is on the edge of grindness for me

[clever knoll]

i guess some people are unironically incapable of critical thinking

[turbid sphinx]

do you not see how your stance on powercreep and economy flatlining not being a bad thing because it "happens all the time [citation needed]" can be perceived as a bad faith argument

[normal idol]

When disagreeing stay respectful

[lofty mortar]

war is good because it happens all the time! and yeah just because not everyone thinks the same doesn't mean they lack critical think, we both lack eachothers perspectives

[glass condor]

because you can just not trade and the game is still fun, I just want my mythics to make cool builds, everyone enjoys it differently

[normal idol]

It would be a shame if this thread had to be locked for devolving into calling everyone a troll

[violet jolt]

respectfully shut up ||(for legal reasons this is a joke)||

[tame palm]

Cool builds can be made without mythics

[glass condor]

say that to the unique id mythics

[lofty mortar]

theres page long forums designated for mythicless builds

[tame palm]

What?

[clever knoll]

frozen i am trying my hardest to be respectful but how has this guy not been muted for rule 8

[normal idol]

🤯

[turbid sphinx]

they mean shit like warp

[lofty mortar]

which mythics are super unique, it's mainly warp. Even idle has a rare counterpart

[glass condor]

and weathered

[tame palm]

What’s the idol counterpart

[turbid sphinx]

you aren't missing out on much

[normal idol]

Tealy you literally called them a moron

[lofty mortar]

charging flame

[tame palm]

Oh yeah

[glass condor]

I personally find I am missing out

[tame palm]

Invest the hours then 🤯

[clever knoll]

i called them a troll, and said that it was either that or they were a moron.

that is different than calling them a moron

[glass condor]

I will in the new update, because it streamlined it

[normal idol]

Is that supposed to be better, or worse

[clever knoll]

a troll is better than a moron imo

cause at least a troll doesnt actually hold such dogshit takes

[violet jolt]

personaly i would prefer to remain a human even if uninteligent rather than becoming a different species

[normal idol]

Most respectful #1019649786799996980 thread

[lofty mortar]

the tensions are just too damn high!

our monkey brains are taking over

[clever knoll]

to be fair i did also say sorry

[lofty mortar]

I can feel myself reverting back to monkey

the m in my name now stands for monkey

[normal idol]

This is “sorry that you’re so ridiculous I had to call you a moron”, not “sorry I called you a moron”

[clever knoll]

i actually legitimately did mean the latter

[scenic glacier]

wow this is such a big economic problem

[clever knoll]

cause i am trying to be respectful

[normal idol]

Anyways can yall just not call each other names cause I would really not want to close the thread or mute talkers lol

[scenic glacier]

solve it please

[normal idol]

It’s a good thread

[clever knoll]

can i tell them that they are acting as if they were a moron (but they arent one)

[glass condor]

tbh I think its going back in forth around the same themes allot already

[lofty mortar]

I mean we've pretty much reached the end of the discussion, no one wants to budge.

[glass condor]

at this point most constructive takes are said

[turbid sphinx]

you've been saying the same nonsense for hours so yea

[normal idol]

This is not the first time this has happened anyways so

[glass condor]

yeah I am saying repalce the void with something else

and keep the mythics now as they are

[normal idol]

Salted is the only one that can change this tbf, but good discussion is good discussion

[clever knoll]

idk what you're referring to

[lofty mortar]

yeppers, it was always pretty futile

[tame palm]

The better option is to make mythics more rare

They are called “mythic” for a reason

[lofty mortar]

the best opinion is meet in the middle and everyone can be happy!

[glass condor]

thats jsut breings us back to before the patch

[polar egret]

Didnt Salted say in one interview that he wants to keep mythics at high rarity?

[tame palm]

Unless you make a tier above that which isn’t that good of an idea

[turbid sphinx]

no it doesn't

[hidden plover]

no mythics should be cheaper than the cost to powder your full build, obviously.

[normal idol]

Source: trust me bro

[lavish sundial]

The better option is to reduce the amount of pulls by 50% and to nerf aqua grey reroll stacking

[grizzled goblet]

couldnt like members of ct convince salted to change tho

[tame palm]

No? You can do way more runs now and more people can run at once

[lofty mortar]

mythics can be both more common and still have any monetary value

[polar egret]

lemme try to find it, i think it might have been olinus interview?

[turbid sphinx]

the new lootrun system is already a ton more enjoyable and repeatable than shitfest old lootruns ever were, the rates are just way too high and some of the beacons are very unbalanced

[clever knoll]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerCreep

[normal idol]

For this one you should ask @clever knoll

[grizzled goblet]

also #1124403817941844048 message

[normal idol]

Not sure how power creep is relevant there

[lavish sundial]

Make aqua turn next beacon vibrant instead of current functionality and mythics will become like 3 times more rare

[lofty mortar]

give grey +5 curses and mythics will become more rare

[clever knoll]

hes advocating for adding a new rarity ahead of mythics

[lavish sundial]

Nah

[lofty mortar]

grey is the best beacon for getting loot and has no downside

[glass condor]

I said allot of differet ways to fix it, my personal is stil lto make the shinies the new hot thing

[normal idol]

Oh I see

[glass condor]

its after all a feeback channel for allot of feedback

[clever knoll]

and how would you make shinies the new hot thing, may I ask?

[violet jolt]

no not really

[lavish sundial]

Curses don't matter, you just end the run after stacking grey

[violet jolt]

lootruning needs a way bigger nerf for mythics to become rare again lol

[lofty mortar]

stacking grey isn't the last thing you do

[normal idol]

Realistically the most constructive thing would just be actual shiny features yeah

[clever knoll]

just repeat it

[lavish sundial]

30+ rerolls on 80+ pulls is definitely healthy

[lofty mortar]

you can't get 30+ rerolls that late into the run, grey needs to come at the middle

[glass condor]

I am not repeating multiple different ideas over the last few hours

[lavish sundial]

You can

[glass condor]

search them all up if you are really interested

[clever knoll]

thanks for the feedback

[lofty mortar]

you need 6 beacon choices to do grey not early and most runs won't have 6 choices

also you need to not use any aquas before you stack your gray as well

so you need to find two vibrant oranges to get 6 options

[polar egret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBUdplXRsTo, he did say he doesn't want to add any better mythic grinding option that previous lootrunning, however he also did add the new lootrun would be "slightly easier" to get mythic for common player

[normal idol]

👍

[polar egret]

I guess slightly means piss easy 🤷

[lofty mortar]

it's really good to have this much interaction mid summer. so why nerf it now when you can nerf it in september

[glass condor]

I mean its for the average palyer

[lofty mortar]

when all the chitlens are back in school not using there parents credit cards

[polar egret]

it will take 1 week for someone to make a good guide for everyone so that 1 hour per mythic becomes common

[clever knoll]

noelos the reason I said you were a troll is because for the past many hours ive seen you suggest changes, and nearly every single time, it is power creep / a bad idea, and now ive come back hours later, and your ideas are still power creep / a bad idea. this illistrates very clearly that you are either not comprehending what other people are saying, not giving anyone enough credit to even remotely challenge your beliefs, or, the more flattering result for you, that you are a troll.

[normal idol]

💀

[turbid sphinx]

tealy getting real creative with wanting to cuss this guy out

[polar egret]

tealy bouta pull out chatgpt responses soon

[glass condor]

man jsut block me and than you don't need to read my messages

you don't need to overcomplicate the things

[clever knoll]

spoken like a person who truly comprehended what they just read

[glass condor]

I skipped your text

[lavish sundial]

The slowmode is too small for a reasonable discussion

[tame palm]

Noelos is your first language English?

[glass condor]

no

[tame palm]

💀💀💀💀

[normal idol]

Welp

Time to pack up this discussion

[clever knoll]

i think my point has been made.

[tame palm]

This makes a lot more sense now

[lofty mortar]

ggs boys

see ya next wipe

[tame palm]

It was a good thread

[polar egret]

anyway who makes another one?

[lofty mortar]

there is always the more mythics in the loot pool thread

[glass condor]

yeah that will probally happen

[normal idol]

Sorry @heavy spindle but uh, people were unable to respect each other lol

[clever knoll]

what i was so respectful what are you talking about

[polar egret]

FrozenHeart when 1 person gets angry (entire thread needs to be eradicated)

[turbid sphinx]

locking the thread because one dude called another dude a moron 💀

[blissful nova]

Anyway I dunno about everyone else
Enchant glint on shiny mythics looks pretty neat

[violet jolt]

yeah there have been way more heated threads that didnt get closed than this

[normal idol]

No it’s not getting closed

Just had to do some things first

[clever knoll]

thanks for clearing it up

[turbid sphinx]

okie dokie

[lofty mortar]

I would agree if I wasn't going to wear a sick ass weapon skins and cover it up

[blissful nova]

Be a purist
Use default air spear

[normal idol]

Some of the previously stated ideas for shinies were

• Make shinies into a separate item that can be traded and applied a mythic of your choice to make it shiny, possibly even stacking multiple times
• Being able to choose what stat to track
• Display the stat track in chat or on your player
• Shiny mythics are /signed with the player who found them
• Improve roll quality % / set a min floor for rolls on shiny mythics

If anyone has more I’ll add em

[clever knoll]

cool thanks

good ending

[glacial frost]

Wtf is any1 gonna do after like 100 hours of gameplay

[clever knoll]

wynn isnt proper enough

[lofty mortar]

100 hours in they have your money

[glass condor]

give them a minimum % for the stat rolls

[lofty mortar]

doesn't matter

[clever knoll]

theres the noelos take i was expecting

[normal idol]

[violet jolt]

easily get enough raw from lootruns for multiple mythics ?

[glacial frost]

Awesome paperweight mythics for everyone

[clever knoll]

-> I have NOTHING to add about MY THOUGHTS about @glass condor <- This is a RESPECTFUL MESSAGE

[lofty mortar]

idk being able to apply shiny to a mythic seems good because it would feel so bad to finally get a shiny and then have it roll dogshit

[glass condor]

as said makes them more desirable and also you can't get a abolutly bad roll on your already rare drop

[glacial frost]

Wtf do u do with mythics if they hold no value

[violet jolt]

use them

[normal idol]

Eat them

[lofty mortar]

throw them into mt wynn

[violet jolt]

im not denying that mythics are way too common but that doesnt make them useless

[clever knoll]

noelos may I ask what your native language is

[grizzled goblet]

it’s so disappointing that salted might not even read through this shit and might not even address this at all and if he does it could be in months after all the damage is already done

[polar egret]

where? in lrs? raids are useless now

[glacial frost]

????? Awesome tna gameplay so riveting and high pace ang exciting

[blissful nova]

Become wackolo and start hoarding in excess amount

[violet jolt]

what else would you do with mythics before all this economy failure happened ?

[clever knoll]

Do Not Become Wackolo.

[lofty mortar]

we won't get a change until after summer atleast, the player count is too high rn to make a change!

[normal idol]

Tealy I feel like you do not get the idea that you can say something respectfully and still be rude

[clever knoll]

i dont think I do, in my mind those things are opposites

[normal idol]

Yeah but he aint hoarding mythics tho…..

[clever knoll]

what is your definition of "respectfully"

[glacial frost]

Collect them and make gamebreaking builds now everyone has access to them so any1 with like a stack of le can deal 4 million dps

[grizzled goblet]

tealy do u think any other ct members agree with your stance on the economy here because most ct i see just say this update is good because “it makes mythics more accessible”

[glacial frost]

Wheres the fun in doing anything with a mythic if it has been seen 1000 times

[violet jolt]

where would you use that gamebreaking build ?

[clever knoll]

there are some that agree with me yeah

[violet jolt]

wait do other CT actualy agree that mythics being this common is okay ? 🥴

[grizzled goblet]

so is there no chance you could bring this up and tell salted that this is a high priority issue 😭

[normal idol]

Cannot tell if you are trolling or think adding “this is a respectful message” instantly makes it not rude

[clever knoll]

that message was obviously a joke.

i had arrows and everything

[normal idol]

Hard to tell !

[glacial frost]

Tna but the fun part is that it will be unique, ill have the satisfaction of knowing that i made the highest dps archer build in the game, now everyone and their dad will have a gma so it doesnt matter because everyone can just do it

[clever knoll]

for example i think i was very respectful and not rude here. I laid out the exact reasons why I came to the conclusion I did, I was eloquent, I didnt call them stupid or anything like that, and at the end I even chose to believe the most flattering option for them. i dont think I was rude here, though I certainly could have been.

[polar egret]

We can assume so, I doubt Salted would just kill economy without talking to anyone

[violet jolt]

i dont think what you are saying has been possible in the first place

[normal idol]

Would probably try to avoid “now my stuff isn’t special” arguments here 💀

[glacial frost]

I dont think u understand how bad the crash is, one of the tna fabled bracelets is selling for more than gma and divzer combined, if every mythic gets the coffin chest treatement, i will be able to buy every mythic in the game 18 times

[glass condor]

I mean you will maybe, most plays won't be able to

[violet jolt]

i understand how bad the crash is, im just saying that your reason for being upset about it is unreasonable

your builds were never special even before the economy crash sorry to break it to you

[glacial frost]

Ok

Hit 4.9 mil dps on dummy on gma ill watch

[violet jolt]

💤

[hidden plover]

dummy testing 🤣

[glacial frost]

No consu

[hidden plover]

show 1 cycle greg solo

[glacial frost]

89% ws bonus

[violet jolt]

i think i'd rather not reply to this

[normal idol]

Lol don’t let this guy turn this into a mythic build measuring contest thread

[glass condor]

build making is literally just math

[hidden plover]

where 1 cycle greg solo video with 5m dps

[polar egret]

damn hotdogvan is the opposite noelos

[glass condor]

which is why I let other people jsut figure out minmaxing and than I copy it

[glacial frost]

Mfw 5 mil is enough to do that

U need a cata and an idol and a shittier gma build at minimum to do that

[glass condor]

are there only shiny weapons or also shiny boots/chestplate?

[lofty mortar]

everything cna be shiny

[glacial frost]

Archer still does alot less than cata because devs have never been good at developing this game, this economy crash is just a new low

[normal idol]

All mythics can be shiny

[glass condor]

wanted to sugest make everything shiny if you have a shiny

[turbid sphinx]

think i saw dawnbreak with a wars counted stat (which is hilarious in of itself)

[glass condor]

but that would not work because of the shiny armor

[violet jolt]

i';d kill for a fatal with wars done ngl

[lofty mortar]

have fun waiting 10 years for that to become a thing in the game

[violet jolt]

nah it will drop next week trust

[lofty mortar]

because shinies are a fun idea! and so well thought out

we simply always hit the 1/510

[glass condor]

it does make them artifically more rare since they are only there a week and than you don't know when they come back

[hidden plover]

?????? i said show the video of you one cycling greg SOLO (you and 3 other empty party slots) since you get 5million dps

[clever knoll]

@last meadow @brazen ridge and @glass condor should team up it'd be awesome

like the power rangers

[normal idol]

??

Mans is shooting civilians

[clever knoll]

its 5 am and im bored

[cold helm]

sleep

[clever knoll]

this made me laugh though thank you frozenearth

[lofty mortar]

it's 7 am idiot

clearly tealy was the moron the whole time

[clever knoll]

inferior timezone

[normal idol]

7 am gang

[lofty mortar]

ban this man for calling me inferior because where I was born

thats so fucked

[violet jolt]

imagine not 3 pm

[lofty mortar]

don't need to imagine that pal

[cold helm]

so true

[clever knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262012825596067841/1061801279258628138/pooron2.gif

[pulsar notch]

i feel like ur ignoring the fact that the original prices were insanely inflated

[clever knoll]

who

[lofty mortar]

read thread lots of people agree that was an issue

[cold helm]

no the prices now are just insanely deflated instead of insanely inflated

[violet jolt]

yeah but the prices before that inflation where still 2-3x higher than current prices

[cold helm]

which is still bad

[violet jolt]

warp deadass went from 14 stx to 30 stx to 5 stx and going down now

[pulsar notch]

u guys are correct but still the prices being lower also makes mythics more accessible for new players.

[lofty mortar]

.

[normal idol]

Can we get it to 3 stx !!

[cold helm]

true but there is such a thing as being too accessible

[violet jolt]

probably

[clever knoll]

you're late

[turbid sphinx]

there's still like 5 days of the current se chest, isn't there? it'll probably hit 2

[normal idol]

Nice

[lofty mortar]

it'll hit worthless

[glass condor]

probaly will but than go up over time until the next rotation its in

[turbid sphinx]

yeah that's a better way to put it

[lyric finch]

easy to cancel and manage

[lofty mortar]

epoch isn't going up

[normal idol]

tl;dr no one agrees on what the intended price for mythics should be but everyone agrees shinies suck

[clever knoll]

will it though

[glass condor]

it was recent still

it needs a few weeks

I am not saying its going extremly up

[clever knoll]

thank god noelos the clarivoyant is here

[lofty mortar]

if we waited weeks to see if that happened it's too late for everything else

[glass condor]

but prices will flucuate allot more than before

[lyric finch]

what if shinies had a unique 3d model

[lofty mortar]

thats way to much work

[normal idol]

I’d probably bet a majority of players support the lower mythic prices more than people who dislike it

[lyric finch]

like how weapon skins are a thing

[lofty mortar]

yes often people like free stuff

[normal idol]

They could just integrate kio’s custom mythic models into the pack

[clever knoll]

id bet the majority of players dont care about the games long term health as much as people who want mythic rate nerfed

[pulsar notch]

yea for me i just like free stuff

[glass condor]

there is a thread on the forum with allot more likes than dislikes with exactly this thing

[lyric finch]

3 easy steps

1. Wynn compendium forum thread or Kio forum thread
2. Stealium le Modelium
3. shiny

[turbid sphinx]

people on the forums don't play the game

i don't either tbf i just like arguing

[lofty mortar]

stealium le medelium is not moralium

[normal idol]

It aint easier than… not having those debuffs though

[lyric finch]

well cancelling debuffs still gives better stats than building up the dmg and ws on other mage weapons

[violet jolt]

yes but you still endup with more dps and utility than any other mythic that doesnt need to negate those

[normal idol]

Yeah pretty much outside of this thread or #💰trade_market

[clever knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/862771646997856286/1129915525531701278/togif.gif

[smoky vapor]

im SO GLAD I WENT TO SLEEP

[pulsar notch]

I love how u speech bubble something that’s correct

[lofty mortar]

yo is back lets go!

[smoky vapor]

what kind of braindead statement is that

[pulsar notch]

it’s hyperbolic but I can’t really disagree with it c:

[normal idol]

Tbf, for most people long term health refers to the game getting regular updates, not a line on the market graph

[lofty mortar]

but the market graph is also important for the time inbetween those updates

[pulsar notch]

yep

[clever knoll]

the economy is essential in an mmo to survive long term

[turbid sphinx]

is the goal for people to log in for a few weeks at the onset of every update then quit

[smoky vapor]

how did this thread devolve into the most awful shit ever

[clever knoll]

you left

[lyric finch]

me neither

but

tldr

new mythic system good for new players
bad for the same new players after a while

[pulsar notch]

I know the economy is kind of exploding but this is probably my favorite update since I joined

[clever knoll]

oh yeah gameplay wise the update is badass

[pulsar notch]

honestly it depends on your mindset: maybe the new players later are going to not have mythics worth a lot but it means they can buy even more to play wit

[lofty mortar]

yeah all of us really love the new gameplay

[smoky vapor]

we all agree on that !

[clever knoll]

economy wise its awful imo

[lyric finch]

i love roguelike i love roguelike i love roguelike

[glass condor]

I do think with the rotating mythics it will give allot of reasons for people to check into the game more often and play it a bit

[normal idol]

Yeah, but I think both of us know that isn’t what most people care about

[cold helm]

gameplay is very fun

[pulsar notch]

economy wise it’s kind of bad for quite a few people I agree but I feel like the majority still benefit

[glass condor]

it also gives a ebb and flow that helps against burnout

[clever knoll]

yep, so we should not listen to those people about these decisions

[pulsar notch]

yea, lr is great when my WiFi is NOT BEHEADING ITSELF

[lofty mortar]

most people don't actively care about but take part in it unknowinly

[turbid sphinx]

if by people logging on and running en mass during the first real week idol gets into rotation then leaving then yeah

[lyric finch]

most people don't care about whether the server can run or how the game works

doesn't mean either is not important

[glass condor]

I mean its the first week of a big update, that happens with every long running game

[pulsar notch]

if all the prices of mythics drop then it means that your nw in paper is going to die.. but in reality it means u can easily get a big collection too
it’s down to your mindset imo

[glass condor]

update
a ton of players
dropoff

[lyric finch]

I think what tealy is trying to say is that the economy going down will impact the long term server retention not temporary player experience

[turbid sphinx]

you missed what i was saying but i worded it like a dumbass so that's fair

[smoky vapor]

I will repeat: the first 20 messages in this thread were on point the rest is just arguing and brain damage

[lyric finch]

pretty much

[clever knoll]

new players will remain poor forever

[glass condor]

I think its the oposite it will help palyer retention with a repeatable activity with fitting rewards that rotate

[clever knoll]

other money making methods will become obselete

[lofty mortar]

earning money is something a lot of people like, a lot of people think mythics will bring them money. But it won't

[clever knoll]

there is no rewards if nothing is worth anything

[lofty mortar]

mythics are worthless as soon as they enter the chest

[clever knoll]

yeah dont read this thread

its the same thing 50 times in a row

[pulsar notch]

honestly yea but even if they’re poor if the economy keeps going like this they can still amass more than enough mythics to enjoy the game

[normal idol]

There are some good points (mainly about improving shinies) but most of it is just arguing on whether mythics are too cheap or too expensive

[lyric finch]

I give up there's no point in this

[turbid sphinx]

just making this clear

[lofty mortar]

needing mythics to enjoy the game is the problem with your mindset

[clever knoll]

it ends in two ways:

1. "yeah you guys might be right, mythic rate should maybe get nerfed a bit"

2. "la la la free purple"

[glass condor]

we also had a talk about other endgame rewards, but that would require deloper effort like special skins etc.

we jsut need some high value rare items that don't have stats

[lofty mortar]

yeah if an option requires developer effort it is out

shinies have proven that

[clever knoll]

pumpkin helmets will save the economy

[lyric finch]

ngl la la la free purple sounds funnier

[solid loom]

this is literally what weve been saying for so long, which people somehow fail to pick up/ read. Actual brick wall discussion

[lofty mortar]

me sitting on my pumpkin heads from 7 years ago when they got duped and became dirt cheap

[normal idol]

Why spend big money on mythic when you can spend small money instead

[turbid sphinx]

frozen do you acknowledge that if unchanged, every mythic will become functionally worthless, and you think this is a net positive for the state of the game

cuz if you're okay with that it's cool idc

[clever knoll]

YES!!! Now I get to be rich without working for it!!! 😄

[solid loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[smoky vapor]

how can you not see the bigger picture here dude .. dont you feel a little stupid

[lofty mortar]

rip thread

[clever knoll]

you werent around but name calling is not allowed anymore, sorry

[normal idol]

Wouldn’t they still have worth in having better stats and not just being used as 15 stx commodities

[lofty mortar]

yo you ruined it

[smoky vapor]

my bad gang

[lofty mortar]

it's okay forgiven

[solid loom]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[normal idol]

I’m also operating on the assumption that it’s pretty unlikely to be nerfed, much less to the rarity of pre 2.0.3 mythics

[lofty mortar]

things being the best and being just as easy to get as the competing things is not good game design

[lofty mortar]

I mean this is true, it's so joever

[glass condor]

like I still see this as pre update to Fruma

[normal idol]

This is a respectful thread smh!

[smoky vapor]

yeah right ..

[pulsar notch]

i agreeeee

[clever knoll]

frozen i dont think you're a moron in any way, so my take away from this is that you may just not be that knowledagble on the market / economics in general, or you may have just confused yourself into a point, and are now stuck defending it

[lofty mortar]

yes lets predicate this update being good on future updates that are coming

[solid loom]

did you even read this @normal idol

[smoky vapor]

ive given up on this thread ever since frozenearth sent his first message in here

[clever knoll]

i hope you can get out of this rut

[lofty mortar]

I mean frozen has a point, there isn't going to be a change atleast he is in tuned with how things are now

[smoky vapor]

ONG

[lofty mortar]

surely they have never nerfed anything related to mythics in the past