2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[half pike]

cgg and eo spawn second only to like ds

[hollow oak]

idk ig some people just dont sell or smth

[unreal robin]

Like if I blacklist everything besides idol that doesn’t mean I get idol 100% of the time is just means nothing else would take the spot of it. Replace idol with what ever item you wants it’s just an example

[modern pier]

Removing "junk" from the reward slots would be an indirect buff cause those slots would be replaced with stuff you personally want, right?

[unreal robin]

That depends on perspective, is 8 emerald blocks instead of some dumb legendary a buff?

[little olive]

it drops from tna (cib, cuc, cgg, cip according to wiki)

[modern pier]

Yes it is. If you get no LE reward, your concept could double the emerald reward

And Im a firm believer that lootruns need no buff whatsoever except removing dungeon keys

[unreal robin]

Like if I specifically want a unqiue item would giving up 12 slots of random legendaries to get 3 of the uniques I “want” I don’t see that as game breaking as ur trying to imply

[modern pier]

I never said its gamebreaking

Im saying that a lootrun buff in any sort of way is not needed

[half pike]

hi yes buff mythic chance please (real)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1139619464820838461/image.png

i am only getting four mythics per reward chest this is unacceptable

[unreal robin]

Wow u just happen to get 1 of ever pull crazy 💀

[unreal robin]

90% of items are already deleted. Defending bad design and Qol just because “lootruns don’t need anymore buffs” is weird. There are aspects of lr that is majorly flawed not being able to address it cause of that logic makes no sense

[verbal seal]

How many pulls did you have there?

[modern pier]

Youre not supposed to get value out of every pull

[unreal robin]

Also for this we are taking about 1 or 2 le max for a 2 hour lr that, in your own scenario you “got no le from” this isn’t game breaking at all omfg and how much u strawman arguments it’s crazy

[modern pier]

Not everyone is doing 2 hour lootruns

[unreal robin]

Then the filter doesn’t matter for those who have less than 30 pulls… it’s all about items you want being deleted cause the chest is too small

[half pike]

no idea not my ss and it was mid beta

[unreal robin]

See you have no point to actually stand on your just speaking out of ur ass at this point

[modern pier]

You know abusing dark grey gives you more than 30 pulls...

[verbal seal]

Beta chances truly were something else

[verbal seal]

With perfect execution 30 curses 50 pulls. Perfectly balanced

[unreal robin]

? What are you even saying

[verbal seal]

Anyway it's fine

Current mythic rates aren't that high but high enough to make mythics accessible

Which finally allows the game to be balanced around mythic builds

[modern pier]

You dont need to commit 2 hours to get +30 pulls, idk if you play horribly wrong or if you cant think outside of your own playstyle and in both cases its just sad for you

[unreal robin]

Bro is just saying random words hoping it makes sense

[modern pier]

Thats you not understanding

[verbal seal]

You need a very long run to force double vibrant aqua vibrant dark grey

Since you have to take all red and green beacons

[unreal robin]

Don’t worry xae doesn’t lr he wouldn’t know 👍

[modern pier]

Or you need luck and multiple attempts and you dont need to get every aqua and vibrant perfect to get 30+

[unreal robin]

So you’re entire “point” is some strawman about getting super lucky with v aqua v d grey without a rainbow 👍

[little olive]

you only need to exhaust obth if you have 5 choices, if you have 6 you only need to take all of one of red/green and if you have 7+ you dont need to take any of the two to get a god run (assuing youve already taken rainbow/orange/white)

[modern pier]

Are you even trying to understand my logic at this point

[verbal seal]

How often do you get 6 choices though

[little olive]

what arey ou even complaining about now?

[verbal seal]

I typically have 4 or 5 in long runs

[unreal robin]

Be able to mess with Filter on reward chest tldr

[little olive]

i only start runs if i get vorange/rainbow/orange early on so kinda often

[verbal seal]

/shrug ig that also works

[modern pier]

You can get that with 2 vibrant orange

[little olive]

just start new runs while your doing your current run on another class

[trim elbow]

filter is kinda goofy ngl there's little to no point in constructing one

[verbal seal]

I know, but it's hard to get rainbow without extra choices and it's hard to get vibrant without rainbow

[little olive]

actually,
"Dev time"

[unreal robin]

There’s one already why not let players just choose what they want instead of some random one devs came up with

[modern pier]

I understand what youre saying but you need to understand that you can easily get 30pulls 6 or more rerolls in less than 40 minutes

With 4 beacon choices

[trim elbow]

bc that's a significantly more complicated system lmao

[unreal robin]

Cap

[modern pier]

🎃

[little olive]

doing runs like that is just wasting your time though

[unreal robin]

Look through Marq data, there actually data that proves ur wrong lmao

[modern pier]

Thats ambitious runs that tries for 10 rerolls but doesnt get the aquas and vibrants

[verbal seal]

That's true, yes

[modern pier]

Where is this data

[unreal robin]

The thread people submit their lr most have ss of time pulls rr and challanges

[modern pier]

Also even look at this. You did 92 challenges in 2 hours. You could easily get 35+ pulls here with the same amount of rerolls with just 30 minutes instead. So in what way am I "capping"?

[little olive]

@unreal robin did you not get rainbow in that run or smth?

[modern pier]

Im not saying how you should or shouldnt play but you saying my numbers is "cap" is just you being mad

[unreal robin]

Rainbow super late, I used grey early cause I thought I’d end early but then I forced a god run

[little olive]

why did you continue if you only got 5 rr though?

[verbal seal]

It's fun when you have lots of boons, I also sometimes just continue for fun

[unreal robin]

Just felt like it

[modern pier]

The fact you deleted this and then sent it again 😄

[verbal seal]

For example when I recently got my first orange at challenge 48

[unreal robin]

Also couldn’t get 6 rr like ur saying it would take much more time to force out beacons like I did

[modern pier]

Youre really gonna say 5 and 6 rerolls are different (when you literally can get the 6th from daily extra reroll). And you called me a strawman btw?

[unreal robin]

Cause it was accidentally replying to u when I meant to reply to the other person why are you so absessed over me correcting my mysef shit is so weird

[modern pier]

Youre lying

You would never do a mistake in something youre so strongly committed in, which is trying to disprove discord user Xae

[unreal robin]

Yes it’s the difference between a awua and v awua, at the end it’s the difference between 200-250 items that’s a lot

[little olive]

can we just agree taht we all have skill issues just in a different way?

[unreal robin]

Weirdo comment

[modern pier]

Buuns you need to admit at one point that youre not the most efficent lootrunner and shouldnt be the one telling CT to add a bunch of mechanics that will get you a few more emerald blocks so you can cope a bit less about not getting an idol

[half pike]

does not matter

[modern pier]

Like PLEASE stop go out your way to cry in this thread every time something doesnt go your way

[half pike]

literally irrelevant

[modern pier]

Its so childish and I dont get how people are not over these weekly Buuns complaints. Well atleast you stopped shouting about it ingame

[unreal robin]

Ad hominem attacks are literally irrelevant

[unreal robin]

You sound like ur crying lmao, ur so obsessed with hating me you can’t see the 3 other people that agree the forced filter is silly

[trim elbow]

I just don’t argue
just go yeah ok bad idea and then move on

[little olive]

🍿

[little olive]

i forgot he did that, was real funny shit ngl

[modern pier]

Good response. "No, YOURE the one thats crying 🙂 "

[half pike]

so true

its like watching two blind people fight

not that i do that but like you get the metaphor

[modern pier]

Theres a part of me that knows that im arguing with a big manchild and should lower my standards on humans a bit, but then I just dont give a shit

[little olive]

@unreal robin have you considered taking a break from wynncraft? it really doesnt seem to be improving your mental health

[unreal robin]

How is asking for a filter = bad for mental health

Like some of the things y’all reach to me

[unreal robin]

No one has said any reason why it’s a “bad” idea besides you’ll get an extra 1 or 2 le how crazy and game breaking

[little olive]

you feel "just like so bad" because youre not getting a weapon

[modern pier]

Its the bigger picture we're talking about. Not the last 30 minutes that happen here

You run home everyday after a day of work to spend all your time lootrunning for items and when you dont get them you have an outrage on discord

Like you have even argued with me while driving

[unreal robin]

“Feels bad” = outrage

[modern pier]

Youre addicted to the game and must calm down

[trim elbow]

don’t forget he complains weekly about not being able to lootrun after chest reset bc of work

[unreal robin]

Me asking what the new chest pools is complaining?

Y’all r crazy lmao

[half pike]

they are but this is wynncraft so like are you surprised

[unreal robin]

Honestly no ur right slime lmao

[modern pier]

Guys so addicted that hes annoyed that people gets the mythics before he do

Its like barely competitive at all

[fathom gale]

what the heck transpired here

[half pike]

xae and buuns acting like xae and buuns

[cunning verge]

we're probably not gonna whatever they are anyways

[modern pier]

God bless

[trim elbow]

yeah devs are too busy adding forgery mythic announcements

[cunning verge]

I don't think that was even dev work but ok

[trim elbow]

yeah ik it was probably just lex

[unreal robin]

“We are probably not gonna whatever they are anyways” this doesn’t make sense to me, do you mean “we probably not gonna add filter, whatever they are (the best lootrunner)( sarcasm)”

[unreal robin]

Me asking Madeline to clarify her confusing grammar and I get a cat meme…..

“We are probably not gonna whatever they are anyways” isn’t a sentence that makes and sense

[teal radish]

I agree with buuns, blacklisting items would be cool

don’t like having to do exactly 36 pull runs to get unique rings

idk what Xae is talking about, it’s really not a buff to get the lower tier stuff unless it’s meta stuff, and even then it’s barely a buff to get a few more meta items for doing a 80 pull run

[carmine stratus]

eh i'll be honest, it's rng, you should really expect to get stuff you don't want, maybe rewards could be changed but blacklisting would just be dumb. It's rng, you should have no decision in what items specifically can/can't appear.

[cunning verge]

Can't you just

Not take the stuff you don't want?

[carmine stratus]

yeah pretty much

[cunning verge]

then what's the issue

[little olive]

Not getting rares and uniques with high pulls i think

[cunning verge]

I have a thing on where I don't see blocked messages so someone will gotta explain it to me what the issue is

[carmine stratus]

idfk they want slots not to be wasted solely cause they got rarer stuff and would rather get emerald blocks?

[cunning verge]

??? But that defeats the entire point of the RNG

If you could just replace all the shit in the reward chest with emerald blocks that would be broken lmfao

[carmine stratus]

I mean. I agree. I dislike the rng but i wouldn't say "please change it"

[unreal robin]

No not really is 1 or 2 le max more for 200+ runs but since Madeline won’t see this she won’t understand what I’m saying….

[unreal robin]

Like not at all lmao

[cunning verge]

To a certain extent there's gotta be RNG, it's not incredible but guaranteed x rewards would pretty quickly lead to gaming the system

[carmine stratus]

it would be.

[cunning verge]

whar

[carmine stratus]

It's rng, you will get stuff you did not want, just deal with it.

[cunning verge]

oh. someone else here. thought you were responding to me

[carmine stratus]

it's buuns.

[unreal robin]

What people aren’t realize it’s not “forcing you to get items you want” it’s just removing the ones you consider trash

[cunning verge]

[little olive]

Tbf I think the way the system works with uniques/rares is actually kind of annoying but if you really want those items you can still do short runs or hear me out, NORMAL lootruns so i dont thi k its that big of an issue

[carmine stratus]

Just don't take them then?

[cunning verge]

idk, they kind of serve as bloat

But there also kind of needs to be some level of bloat

Like if all items in Isaac were Q3s and Q4s it would suck which is why you have to have worthless items like fucking

The Lemon or Butter Bean

[carmine stratus]

also it's free money? Like might not be as much but least it's something?

[unreal robin]

Cause why have legendarys I don’t want take priority over rares or commons I might have taken

[modern pier]

Youre blatantly asking for lootrun rewards to be buffed here

[cunning verge]

yeah, you can also scrap the stuff you get or even turn them into emeralds

[unreal robin]

^ I’m just asking to skip the process of id and scrapping

[little olive]

Just do shorter lootruns bro

[carmine stratus]

It's rng, you're complaining about literal rng here.

You shouldn't be allowed to just go "i really dont want this so please remove it from the rng pool"

[cunning verge]

The less items in the pool means the more good items. If you have like uh

6 normal items and 1 LE in there and you remove all 6 normal items

And you get 5 pulls, you're just gonna get 5 pulls of LE

[carmine stratus]

I mean, technically you could implement it, but instead of replacing the blacklisted items, nothing just appears xD

[half pike]

this is not funny

[carmine stratus]

so you get 30 pulls but 5 of them are items you blocked, well done you got 25 items

[cunning verge]

But at that point, why?

[little olive]

I think the way he means is if that you had 2 slots and rolled 5 eb and 2x rare helm then if you had blacklisted eb it would give you 2x rare helm instead of eb + rare helm and voiding the other rare helm

[carmine stratus]

mess with the people asking for it.

[unreal robin]

I just don’t understand why there is a “filter” already that people just call rng? Im just asking to be able to adjust that filter to what the player might want not some random dev thinks players would want

[cunning verge]

That's just dev work for nothing

[cunning verge]

Ok but

[little olive]

Still dont think its an issue myself though so 🤷‍♂️

[carmine stratus]

yeah no i agree, i find the idea of a blacklist VERY stupid. I just would not mind doing it solely to mess with this stupid idea.

[half pike]

too much dev work

[cunning verge]

We're not gonna do that? The solution is just don't take the items you don't want

lmfao. You're not required to put all the stuff in your inventory

[half pike]

me when the items i dont want are unable to spawn 🤯

[unreal robin]

The whole point is why is there a filter of what they “think I want” and not just let me choose what I want

[little olive]

Yeah (I also dont want that, im pretty sure just buuns dloes)

[half pike]

omw to stop my run at 27 pulls so i can get sapphire

[carmine stratus]

that's not a filter...?

[modern pier]

Did you just say this

[carmine stratus]

That's just a pool.

[unreal robin]

It is?

[modern pier]

Or am I dreaming

[cunning verge]

You can even see from the animation if you got a mythic so if you don't want any legendaries of uniques or anything you don't have to like, run your cursor over everything

[half pike]

filter the pool

[half pike]

it goes in order of rarity once you get enough pulls

[little olive]

Just do low tier runs???
Also its not based on what you want its just based on item rarity/type which dictates the chance to get the item, nothing to do with stats

[carmine stratus]

No it isn't. A filter means the items still exist in the pool but you remove them from it. A pool is literally "this is the new stuff you can get"

[unreal robin]

The pool will filter out common for legendary it’s not a “pool” it’s a filter for more “rare” items

[little olive]

Would you rather yourd be capped to 36 pulls or smth?

[carmine stratus]

oh that system, i mean of course it will because normally rewards more in eb than unique stuff?

[unreal robin]

Imo I’d rather just have access to all 200 items I’m “suppose to generate”

Then there wouldn’t be a need for a dumb filter

[little olive]

🍿🍿🍿

[unreal robin]

Let me ignore the junk and take what I wanted

[little olive]

🍿

[unreal robin]

Like I generated the item didn’t I?

Why filter it out cause you think a legendary is better

[carmine stratus]

ah yes. 200 items And pray tell how the hell you're gonna collect it, because i doubt it'll be just be 25 items or below.

[unreal robin]

Again let me ignore 80% already and take the little bit I actually want

Let me ignore the junk if u don’t delete what I actually want

[half pike]

i mean like people do complain about uniques being rarer than legendaries

[carmine stratus]

no.

[half pike]

i have seen that (especially at the release of 2.0.3)

[unreal robin]

Or just let me set the filter to “what I want” and sort it myself

[half pike]

i feel like a filter could be easily exploitable (omw to filter out everything other than mythics)

[little olive]

@unreal robin have you ever done a lootrun with low pulls?
(I know the question is not really serious because youre bad at lrs but still)

[carmine stratus]

oh wait, i mean, fair, but that could easily be fixed by just switching rewards around

[unreal robin]

Yes I hate doing short runs it feels super bad to me

[half pike]

again omw to stop my run at 27 pulls so i can get sapphire

[little olive]

Yes

[half pike]

lmao

[unreal robin]

Like it feels like shit I’ve set up a god run but let me stop at 30 so the filter doesn’t fuck me over

[little olive]

@unreal robin you should get some sleep maybe

[unreal robin]

Its 4:30pm?

Is saying “feels like shit” expressing to much emotion for you

[cunning verge]

what is he talking about now

[little olive]

But the only reason to do god runs is to roll for low chance rewards?????
If you want high chance rewards just dont do god runs???

[unreal robin]

How short runs feel bad?

[carmine stratus]

he would want the final chest to give all 200 items like if he got 200 pulls

[little olive]

Idk but hes apparently having a mental breakdown because he cant get idol

[cunning verge]

LOL??

[half pike]

huh?

[cunning verge]

what da hell ohhh my gawdd no waayyy

[half pike]

are you joking or lying?

[little olive]

Exaggerating

[half pike]

i genuinely cannot tell

[unreal robin]

Bru can y’all not take me way out of context

[modern pier]

I dont even think youre exaggerating at all

[half pike]

exaggerating what??!

[unreal robin]

At this point this is super inappropriate if you won’t even look at what I’m saying but you’ll make fun of me…

[half pike]

im pretty sure buuns is saying like the opposite

[half pike]

its madeline nobody can take em seriously lmao

[cunning verge]

I feel like whatever argument there is here can boil down to
"I want x but I don't want to do z so I want you to add y"

[unreal robin]

Kinda fr, I wanna respect her sometimes but she makes it so fucking hard to

[cunning verge]

With z being like, just not taking what you dont want or doing

[little olive]

[cunning verge]

short runs? I think?

[unreal robin]

3 msg about wanting an item wow I’m so obsessed

[cunning verge]

there's like 2 goofballs in these chats

[modern pier]

Would emojis or stickers also be super inappropriate?

[half pike]

could you reply to these rq

[cunning verge]

omg I got a sticker I really like

[little olive]

Apparently 90% of my messages are breaking the rules

[half pike]

i cant see em scrolling up

[little olive]

All in #1130744061200961536 i think (just ctrl f)

[half pike]

bro thats not even this discussion :doom:

[cunning verge]

has anyone here found a gilded eyefolk btw

[little olive]

Dont think so

[modern pier]

No 😦

[cunning verge]

whomp whomp

[half pike]

why even are people hunting for it

where did it originate?

[modern pier]

A person is offering 2.5 stacks i think

[half pike]

yeah but like why did that person want it

[unreal robin]

Is that like an extremely rare boss mob they added into the light room of tna? Is it something like that or just some random purple mob out there

[modern pier]

Cause its a mob no one have found yet so he wanna know if it even exists

[half pike]

i figured it was confirmed by cts to exist

[little olive]

Purpleemerald?

[modern pier]

No is @limpid sonnet

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/community-event-the-hunt-for-the-gilded-eyefolk-2-5-stx-bounty.309286/

[limpid sonnet]

why have i been pinged

[cunning verge]

I think that hunt was ended, idk

[limpid sonnet]

no it wasnt

[half pike]

ooh another thread

[cunning verge]

some asshole faked a screenshot. Oh. Good. It's still going

[half pike]

is this a new one?

[limpid sonnet]

no

[cunning verge]

The spawn rates might get upped a fair bit

[limpid sonnet]

been around for like a month i think

[half pike]

oh did the old thread just get edited out?

[cunning verge]

As is they're kind of abysmal

[modern pier]

Sorry 😦

[limpid sonnet]

we still dont know the exact stuff abt how it spawns yet (thankfully theres at least still some mystery, couldve been worse)

[limpid sonnet]

you made me think hotfix 6 released, this is unforgivable

[half pike]

so why are people hunting for it?

[limpid sonnet]

i wanted to see it in its natural habitat

and how it spawns and stuff to solve some 2.0.3 mysteries

[hard heron]

they want a wiki quality screenshot

[limpid sonnet]

not anymore

[half pike]

yeah madeline gave that on like page 1

[hard heron]

oh

then i guess it's just a hunt for the sake of a hunt

like the egg and whatever else

[unreal robin]

On that note I wish they would add in something special like mama zombies to lutho/other end game areas. I’ve only ever seen 1 in my 6ish years of playing and it was on a world that was resetting, still the coolest thing I’ve experienced on Wynn so far

[modern pier]

I agree

[teal radish]

cuz more than 36 pulls, the blacklisted stuff would be replaced by the pulls that would have been voided

why shouldn’t we be able to prioritize the lower tier stuff if we want, besides “dev time”

it’s extremely annoying to have to do exactly 36 pull runs to get the best chance at a unique item

Ataraxy was in the SE pool a few weeks ago, and I happened to need a good one for a build. problem is, it’s a unique item, so it starts getting voided very early

[cunning verge]

you can just do short runs?

[teal radish]

short runs are annoying AF

[cunning verge]

how

you just do some challenges and end on dark gray

i find it a lot easier than long runs

[teal radish]

dark grey is too many pulls lol

[cunning verge]

what

i mean like you do 5 challenges

[alpine forum]

loot run cooldown though

[cunning verge]

lootrun cooldown is not that long

idk, maybe its more of a problem in SE where you can do lootruns faster

[teal radish]

by the time the RNG gives dark grey, it’s gonna go above 36 pulls

[cunning verge]

I'm basing it off of lootruns for new camps (no teasers) so I might be wrong and the run timer might actually be an issue for sielnt expanse

[cunning verge]

no...?

[hard heron]

then do purples instead

[alpine forum]

although your pretty likely to just get a bunch of the unique items your looking for in a normal run and you can just hold on to like 10 of them and one box probably has what you need.

[hard heron]

if you really hate rng that much, just do a 36 challenge run and end on aqua stacked gray

[teal radish]

no ataraxy from normal chests in SE, they’re all reminder

[alpine forum]

wait so how is ataraxy even in the SE pool then?

[teal radish]

purples make it take too long and it’s not even that rewarding

[teal radish]

the camps don’t have separate items that the pools draw from

[hard heron]

then just do sub 36 pull runs until you get lucky dark grays

[teal radish]

otherwise certain mythics would ONLY be available in 1 area

[hard heron]

it's not like that isn't already what people do for long runs anyway

[alpine forum]

right, which makes no sense they should be pulling normal items from their home region.

[cunning verge]

This may change

Mythics will probably remain universal across all camps however

[teal radish]

😬

[cunning verge]

how is that a grimace emoji

[teal radish]

oh ok well that’s good

[alpine forum]

archangel in the SE chest

make low level mythics low level loot run exclusive!

[hard heron]

nah u should lvl lock the mythics and make a lvl 65 camp for pure wanters

[teal radish]

is pure even available

[alpine forum]

probably but theres a chance the devs forgot it exists

theres still a lot of mythics that have not showed up in camps yet

[hard heron]

imagine they just left out all the weird mythics from the chest and they become impossibly hard to get

[candid prawn]

Kid I'm not made of money

I can barely afford stuff as it is

.
Anyways on an unrelated topic but I gotta be honest

I kinda feel a little bad for the guy who recreated the image

I would say they got off lucky by using a burner account, because that alone would have burnt so many permanent bridges (most notably Madeline)

Madeline's understandably irrationally mad at the guy but even so I'm at least relieved that this whole thing won't go any further

While not being the one who made the mob itself I don't really hold any real anger against the user who faked the image

Not just because it was a complete accident on their part, assuming they didn't blatantly lie about their agenda, but also because this was something I would 100% have also done

(by... accident. Obviously.)

It probably won't stop me from making other (frighteningly) accurate recreations of Wynncraft in the future but it's kinda a helpful reminder for me to be careful whenever I do something like this again

.
Anyways back on topic

I'm astonished that it hasn't been found yet

Unless it's a mob that players will never find unless they do something really specific, I am 95% convinced that it's still bugged for some reason
As in, the spawn rates and Madeline just got really lucky for some reason

[hybrid frigate]

This is not rng, this is someone not making multiple pages for rewards chest

[bronze prism]

way too strong and centralizing on rewards, you could get specific stuff every single time if that existed

[bronze prism]

I actually found it a little while ago but since I'm CT I figured it didn't count

[candid prawn]

The fact that no one but people who know its trigger have found it either means that the trigger isn’t something players normally perform in a normal run of the challenge or that the universe just really wants to screw all of us over with luck collectively

[ocean peak]

What a silly mob

[lone leaf]

there have been.. some issues

[unreal robin]

Why is there some already a dev decided “filter” the prioritizes items just cause they are legendaries, there’s a filter to “give players what they want” it’s just bad

[bronze prism]

okay, I can sort of get the gist of what you're saying but you interrupted a sentence to start another like three times and I can't tell exactly what you mean

[silver siren]

I don’t know what that word bundle was but I like your funny words magic man

[half pike]

:doom:

actually it would be kinda interesting if people could change the priorities of things so like people who really really hate the dungeon keys and runes could shove em to the bottom and never see them again

but nah too much dev work too busy trying to remove things that arent bad

[candid prawn]

Ok it’s too damn long to read everything but from what I understand Buuns wants a system that allows unwanted item types like Legendaries to be replaced with, what, exactly what the player wants?

Isn’t that kinda op

[carmine stratus]

Or something of lower rarity? Which is kinda just dumb.

[half pike]

eh

[carmine stratus]

Only thing i could suggest is let the player pick the priority system. I.e rarities stay the same but the player can pick which items get prioritised over others

[half pike]

i just said that smh

[carmine stratus]

Oh didn't see it sorry xD

But yeah the idea is the only way i see it working

Still would appear but pulls would remove it if something you prioritised more pops up

[hybrid frigate]

or alternatively just add multiple pages for rewards chest

[stable pecan]

A filter to remove items so the other items fit in the 36 pull chest
More of a fault of the chest only fitting 1 page but eh

[carmine stratus]

the issue with this suggestion is if someone gets 200+ pulls there's just 7+ pages of items which let's be honest, is not gonna be a fun scroll if you're looking for specific items

And it'd really only affect such a small amount of people because I feel like most people going for 200+ pulls are going for mythics and not caring about the rest other than "hey free profit"

[unreal robin]

it affects anyone with more than 36 pulls...

[carmine stratus]

Not really because they're not gonna care much about looking through 7 pages of stuff on average

[unreal robin]

also ngl dude lr being so depend on orange beacons is soo annoying, i hate going like 30-40 challanges withoput a single ornage

[unreal robin]

wdym juat have the "pages" attached to how many pulls u get, why woudl you be forced to look through "7" pages if u only had like 7 pulls? what are you talking about

[carmine stratus]

because people on average go for 200+ pulls.

Im sorry but do i have simplify EVERYTHING for you?

[unreal robin]

ya so people who dont care dont have to look?

it just gives the people who do care the option to look?

[carmine stratus]

yes, and that is a good majority of the people. There's such a small amount of people who would look for specific items that aren't mythics

[unreal robin]

ok its not even more effort to not click next page?

just close the chest...

like wdym

[carmine stratus]

Why do you even want specific items?

(outside of mythics and runes and dungeon keys)

[unreal robin]

cause some rares and uniques are much better than the legendaries that would take its spot in "prioity" why do i have to specifily only hunt mythics or commons?

like why force me to choose between the 2

[carmine stratus]

then why not just ask for a priority feature to be added? More people would probably prefer that than multiple pages of chests. Or a blacklist feature which would be dumb.

[unreal robin]

that was orginal idea basically

[carmine stratus]

no it wasn't. your idea was an item wouldn't show up at all. A priority feature would make the item still show up but if something on a higher priority of your choosing showed up it'd just take over.

[unreal robin]

let players choose their own "priority" instead of some random dev choice who "thinks" they know what players would prob wantr

its a very similar concept..... like come on

[carmine stratus]

no it isn't. They are 2 VERY different things.

[unreal robin]

explain how they are so different?

the blacklist is just "anti priority"

[carmine stratus]

One is outright blocking the item from appearing, the other keeps it still appearing but means you get to pick your own lists meaning if you put an item as number 3 on the priority, number 2 and 1 items would take over it if you did enough pulls.

[unreal robin]

so what i was saying but with more steps?

like ur #1 proity would "delete" ur #40 prioity

so basically ur blacklisting anything from like 20+ but its slightly a spectrum

how is that not like almost exactly what im asking for

[carmine stratus]

No buuns, i am starting to think you struggle at understanding English (evidenced by your typing sometimes being harder to understand than Egyptian hyrogliphics.) A blacklist means blocking it no matter what, oh you get 8 pulls? this item won't appear even though it should.
The priority system literally means what it sounds, an item will still appear unless enough items appear higher in the priority that it gets phased out. I.e you could get 200 pulls and still get an item that you didn't prioritise because not enough higher than it appeared.

[unreal robin]

i mean red u mean blue?

oh the blue looks really bad

again to me, same idea just more steps

or "very similar" atleast

like the "blacklist" is just a priority of 1 or 2 basically anthing not blacklisted takes prioity over anything that is, ur system is more complicated but works better in the case someone wants alot of different items from the pool i feel mine is a simple version of that

basiaclly ur hung up over "blacklist" deleteing items even tho, that would be the whole point to blacklist them. ur saying "i dont want this". why would it matter if it showed up or not?

[vital raft]

Surely there could be a feature where the players themselves decide which categories they want to be more important than other when they have more than 36 pulls

Meaning they could rank all of them (mythics, le, fableds, tomes, legendaries, rares, EB, uniques, runes) in any order of importance to change which ones remain in the chest and which ones are thrown out first when you have more than 36 pulls

(this is what buuns is maybe? trying to suggest)

[unreal robin]

Basically the idea, if that works better for people then it works for me too

This semi stems from why the hell are unquie helmets and rare helmets like 20 le for the “good ones” and most legendaries are like 32 emerald blocks like what happened to libra vayward demon tide sagittarius wanderlust ect

[stable pecan]

Appeared in chest
Anam was in chest once but I want to say nobody noticed it

[little olive]

good unqiues and rares were already more expensive than most legendaries beforre 2.0.3 btw

[fathom gale]

it was in corkus wasnt it

[stable pecan]

Forgot
But I had 2 spare from it so

[vital raft]

Yes

I remember getting a bunch from corkus

Back when I still lootran 😔

[fathom gale]

yeah fuck corkus, only warp idol and shiny mage mythics can make me lr there (and even then its unlikely)

[vital raft]

Isn't

[little olive]

would you lootrun corkus over full low level mythic se?

[half pike]

az when

[vital raft]

There a shiny mythic wand in corkus this very second

[fathom gale]

no

[half pike]

i would run low level mythic corkus over se

[fathom gale]

no give me that pure from SE

[little olive]

also kinda forgot that aftershock is the third/frouth most epensive shama nmythic

[teal radish]

it would just replace unwanted items with the pulls that would have gotten voided, not OP at all

its still rng in the pulls being what you're looking for, you would just have access to all the successful pulls

[little olive]

yeah, i think what htey mean is rolling all 200 or whatever pulls and then instead of putting the first 36 in the chest, going across the list in descending order of rarity and only putting the ones on your whitelist in the chest

still think that isnt needed as then short runs would be pretty much completely useless

[unreal robin]

Why force players to do shorts runs if they want to farms specific items? Why “punish” people who like doing long runs but also want to target farm specific items

[trim elbow]

bc it's not "punishing" lol you're just choosing to target farm something else (namely mythics)

also if you're trying to get uniques from end chest instead of from chests during run that's on you

[half pike]

well id love if the ct would FIX CHESTS ALREADY

[trim elbow]

?? what's broken about chests

[half pike]

loot

i made #1129116199083581562 message a while back when 2.0.3 released cuz chest loot was crazy nerfed for some reason

i dont think they have fixed emeralds only showing up once since the update released

[trim elbow]

dunno if that really counts as being broken so much as just a reg nerf

[half pike]

yeah but its like

-pointless
-dumb
-the emerald stuff literally is a bug

[little olive]

Some ct legit said that its a bug

[hard heron]

we're so used to fun stuff being nerfed that spegg really thinks the chest nerf was intentional 💀

also tbh it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, unfun is unfun

[trim elbow]

shrug
I just don't really care

[hollow oak]

it sucks so much for lower level gear cuz t3/t4 chests are the same as old t1/t2 chests 😔

[covert veldt]

While this may already have been talked about, I will say it again : In lootruns, the difference between a god run and a normal run (Or, more specifically, if you get Orange beacons or not) is vast enough that it's worth it to reset until you get the Orange beacon, while being frequent enough that it's valid to do so. Even a Rainbow Beacon isn't enough by itself to make a run worth it, since you eventually need the Orange beacon to get somewhere. While I don't have much in terms of solutions, I will say that it sucks to feel like giving up on a run is too often a good decision.

As a side note : If it is true that orange beacons are weighted less and less to be an option as the run goes, can we dial that back a bit ? It doesn't help the above

[vocal stone]

fart

[glad ermine]

fr we’ve been saying this for weeks now, making them more and more rare as the run continues is frustrating

[fathom gale]

yeah for some reason salted seems to prefer anoying to play system with insanely high mythic rates instead of a fun to play system with lower mythic rates

so not only does it ruin the economy but its also not as fun to play as it could be

[nocturne linden]

im sure people have told you this already but the 36 items you get in your reward chest are the best items from your pulls

so if you pull a mythic you're guaranteed to get it (unless you somehow manage to pull 37 mythics)

if there's "junk" in your reward chest that just means any other pull that isn't in the chest would just be worse

[unreal robin]

This is the whole “point” why has some dev decided what’s “better” or “best item” I’d much rather get a aquamarine than a Shaw of gal

[nocturne linden]

its based on the item tier

[unreal robin]

Ya imo it’s just weird, why delete items I’ve “earned” just to replace them with ones “you think I want” but I actually don’t

[half pike]

why did they change corkus caves anyway

old ones were pretty good
-looked good
-had stuff in them
-were actual caves
-werent just bossfight spam

pretty basic criteria ik

[fathom gale]

i guess they decided to make them fun and unique the first time you encounter them and a nightmare if you do them often

which is why i have less than 5 lootruns in corkus

and like 350+ in SE

[half pike]

but like they arent

[fathom gale]

they are compared to other caves in the game

[half pike]

when every cave is just a big hole with a bossfight that isnt fun or unique

[unreal robin]

Eh, for me I’d much rather a “boring boss fight” than an annoying 3 min long cave just cause it’s designed annoying af to travel through

I’m with marq

[half pike]

isnt one of the corkus caves that one backrooms room with the holes in the floor

ok i went there and uh

its literally a reskin

its a wooden dirt version of that stone cave outside of ragni or this backrooms room

you cannot talk about old caves being annoying to travel through

[fathom gale]

Let's just hope whoever worked on corkus cave rework DOESN'T TOUCH se sky and rodoroc

[half pike]

3 of my spells move me in some way lul

[fathom gale]

Who said anything like that

[half pike]

buuns

[little olive]

archer or warrior?

[half pike]

"designed annoying af to travel through"

archer 💪

[fathom gale]

He was referring to the current caves

Hence why he agrees with me

[half pike]

uh no

"i'd much rather a boring boss fight" (what it is now) "than an annoying 3 min long cave just cause its designed annoying af to travel through"

@unreal robin who is misinterpreting

[fathom gale]

Huh no it's not a boss fight now

Right now it's literally a long ass maze into a boss fight or jurt normal mobs

[half pike]

from the caves ive done since 2.0 they have literally just been caverns

with bosses

[fathom gale]

Yeah now it's a maze with either bosses or random mobs to kill

A long maze

[little olive]

noting

[half pike]

instead of like a cave

[fathom gale]

Wrong thread moment

[unreal robin]

Memes

[half pike]

hm yes pirates lattace mobs have multihit

[little olive]

epic

[half pike]

only 3 or 4 chests right

[half pike]

new caves:
pirate lattice: need i say more
steamworks: not terrible but does have a bossfight, puzzle is a neat mechanic tho!
pirate sloop: not even a cave, also is literally just a bossfight with an idol user
avos animation totem: a bossfight with a guy that stuns you and teleports, also in the middle of a cavern. no cave. no cool. no fun. no stuff.
the warehouse: pirate lattice but not a backrooms ripoff. bad enough i skipped it because my memories of it from when i last ran it MULTIPLE MONTHS AGO are still around

gonna do rest later

[fathom gale]

ok but i fucking wish the current caves were boss fight spams as you said

almost all of them are labyrinths were you can get lost trying to find your way and they take obnoxiously long to complete even if you do know the way

[young ore]

No

This is because you suck

[fathom gale]

no you

[half pike]

ok i will admit these are way worse than bossfights

but bossfights are still worse than how they were before (actually like caves like cavey small ones with cool things decorating them like that one underground river and village that was off in that one corner of corkus before)

[modern pier]

Same here, long caves can be fun the first time exploring them but when repeating them, it becomes so tedious

[little olive]

solution: dont add long and annoying caves to lootruns 🤯

[half pike]

fr go back to old corkus caves

[half pike]

junk pit: decent, more cavelike but still not very, bit tall
corkus quarry: pretty decent, bossfight moment (no reward chest? weird af but this is wynncraft it is a majorly flawed game)
geodesic: this is it. the worst thing ct have done to corkus caves. this is the entire reason i am making this post. it was such a good cave and they took it and absolutely ruined it, its just a big cavern with pillars now, completely ruined (also one of the chest pedestals doesnt have a chest which is funny). its like a worse version of the eye cave in se
builder bot central: way longer than i remember, part of it is literally stolen from two caves around the ragni/nivla region, and the end bossfight is literally the exact same style as one of the other caves (avos animation totem i think) just with a different boss
aquaculture aquifer: cavern. need i say more. (otherwise pretty decent aside from the fact some chests are hard to find) unfortunately this used to be an absolutely great cave so it would be great to be reverted

i believe that is it

[stable pecan]

Do you just
Not enjoy caves that aren't Blind Burrow

[half pike]

dunno what blind burrow is

[half pike]

but these are generally the crtieria i want

which should be pretty easy like "has decoration" should be in every cave but nope

being unique is a nice bonus

[teal radish]

se cave

also

caverns are caves

by definition all of the corkus caves are caves

well not pirate sloop

pirate sloop should be removed or added back to pirate lattice

[half pike]

ik but i generally dont group em together cuz caverns are like big and not cavelike as opposed to caves which are like ~~good ~~small

[half pike]

oh nvm it isnt

unlabelled cave filled with bandits near corkus sea cove which is unironically one of the best ones ive seen, small, cavelike, even has bass!

[cunning verge]

except its not called a cave.

its called a Dock

[fathom gale]

Salted sees no problems with the current state of lootruning,
the current state of lootruning:

[cunning verge]

free idol :3

[fathom gale]

there is legit a usable idol for 4 stx its crazy

[unreal robin]

Do cata next please 👍

[cunning verge]

[teal radish]

but the content book filter is called caves

[teal radish]

yeah ik that

but all of the things with chests fall under "Caves" in content book

[fathom gale]

whats the point of getting so technical over it

[teal radish]

idk

could be renamed tho

[fathom gale]

it might as well be called a mall as far as im concerned, i still wont set foot there cuz its aids

[half pike]

er literally wrong

[cunning verge]

you clearly dont know what pirate sloop is

[teal radish]

anyway, regardless, my problem with pirate sloop isn't that its not a cave, its just that it's weirdly connected to a cave and very short

[fathom gale]

idk isnt it part of that goofy ahh swiss cheese floor cave

[teal radish]

it used to be

[cunning verge]

no

[teal radish]

but now its seperate

[cunning verge]

also that cave got checkpoints and the mobs tweaked

[fathom gale]

well eitherway my statement is correct because that hole cave still exists so i wont step in corkus

[cunning verge]

same with lantern keeper's abode. the lantern keeper has charge instead of teleport and the horse is not unimaginably strong

[fathom gale]

ah thats why the lantern keeper has been so anoying to kill now i see

[cunning verge]

its way easier than before

sounds like an issue involving skill

[fathom gale]

nah

[cunning verge]

yah

[fathom gale]

he litteraly climbs up on the obsidian exit gate now cuz of his charge

[half pike]

it was abominable last time i did it

[fathom gale]

he didnt do that before with teleport

[half pike]

which was uh 4 hours ago or so

[fathom gale]

nah the hole cave was absolute aids even with checkpoints and i aint going to corkus EVER unless shiny warp and even then i might just try to buy one with money

[half pike]

horse not being a total boss respawning instantly with more hp and being unable to escape from could be sick tho ngl

does reward chest have class bias?

[fathom gale]

2.0.3 really left gambling mythic rolls as the only way to actualy enjoy lootruning for me

[cunning verge]

aint no way you enjoyed lootrunning pre 2.0.3.....

[fathom gale]

no it was shit but atleast finding a mythic gave me dopamine..

now i find a mythic and dont get a spark of dopamine

[half pike]

aint no way people enjoy camps

[fathom gale]

i rolled a green overall idol the other day and barely got excited

[cunning verge]

do shiny mythics not give dopamine

[half pike]

why would they they are just normal mythics

[fathom gale]

my guildmate almost rerolled past a shiny sunstar lmao

[half pike]

instead of finding a mythic you find a mythic that will sell more woo no dopamine from it

[fathom gale]

useless ass items.. if only they had real cosmetics

[fathom gale]

but no even finding a shiny epoch didnt give me the same satisfaction that finding a random ahh disco in corkus did before 2.0.3

[half pike]

ok whoever said crates arent gambling because they have skill clearly lied

[cunning verge]

have you considered ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** anti depressants

[half pike]

no way you just said that

[fathom gale]

what is that supposed to mean

also even seeing vibrant orange first beacon gives me more dopamine than mythics

[half pike]

camps are just lootrunning with more rng

they managed to increase the amount of rng :doom:

[subtle prairie]

This is literally a player made issue. Everyone is rage undercutting each other

[fathom gale]

im well aware

players are dumb so they panic sell, but they wouldnt panic sell if mythics werent common as shit so its both sides faulth

and even if they didnt rage undercut eachother mythics are still getting super common so its still less exciting to find mythics

[subtle prairie]

womp womp. Mythics are more accessible and not locked behind ridiculous prices anymore oh how tragic

[fathom gale]

i dont care about the price as much as i care about actualy getting excited when i find a mythic

i kid you not finding a stardew pre 2.0.3 was more exciting than any mythic now

[lone leaf]

true!

[subtle prairie]

That's cause you turned your brain off and had next to no fun until you got that one sudden burst of dopamine

Now you need to actually engage your brain in a gamemode

[unreal robin]

It’s “cool” to finally be able to try all the mythic build I’ve been seeing for years but I worry about how “bored” I will be after the 3 month honey moon phase is over

[fathom gale]

debatable

[unreal robin]

The new lr system is not engaging and relys to much on Orange beacons, it’s set up lr to manipulate Orange and aquas then turn brain off…

[fathom gale]

its slightly harder mechanicaly but once you get used to it all its just muscle memory with brain off again

[unreal robin]

Imo routing old lr paths too more “brain power” especially if you ended up racing someone on the same world

[bronze prism]

Thing is the design is still not good for repeatable content

It's an okay, if kinda frustrating, one off, but having it show up as something to do more than once it really sucks

[half pike]

inb4 blocked

[trim elbow]

yeah I'm not rly sure why they chose to make pirate lattice the challenge instead of pirate sloop

[silver siren]

Personally think Pirate Rock Formation is a better cave for lootrunning, but Pirate 2 Bedroom 1 bathroom apartment is also great

[teal radish]

LMAO

but tbh I prefer Pirate Lemonade Stand

[verbal seal]

I like them

[verbal seal]

Except this one but I've gotten pretty good at speedrunning it so it's not an issue anymore

Pirate lattice

[little olive]

is there any reason statue necropolis mobs feel so much stronger than other se lootrun mobs?

[cunning verge]

gravekeepers are jacked

with one health curse and like 8 challenges they reach 1 million hp

[little olive]

yeah

[fathom gale]

lootruning aside will tcc ever get actual bug fixes

or will it remain an absolute buggy mess forever

[cloud mulch]

your fault for running tcc

[teal radish]

your fault for not adding fruma raid already

[silver siren]

TCC is fun when you aren’t getting oneshot by mobs or killed by bugs or getting murdered by boss final phase because you’re an archer and decided to use one of your main dps spells on the boss and it said “NUH UH”

[bronze prism]

hey at least I nerfed it

[little saffron]

tcc have too many features

[fathom gale]

True I just gave up and decided to unironicaly use auric for my warp build

[sleek valley]

yes

its on my list

[fathom gale]

Incredible

[unreal robin]

I really believe curses, mob scaling, boons being rng, and oranges being so rare and getting more rare are huge reason why Lr sucks ass and needs to be fundamentally changed in ways

I’m gonna clip it better but my last lr vod really highlight how terrible of a system it is when players are dependent on lost of rng to try to keep on with challenges that are constantly getting much harder and harder

Bru why the fuck are purple and yellow beacons like a 100% guarantee go show up it’s the whole reason orange beacons matter so much, you basically lose -2 options because THEY SHOW UP EVERY FUCKING TIME

Like why fucking give me over 50+ times to choose a purple but 11 times for blues if I don’t have the extra options from orange

I really think the lr system is extremely flawed

[silver siren]

Your mom is extremely flawed! BOOM

[hollow oak]

hey can the lootrun circle/ring thing for the gwarni cave be moved down to the bottom of the hole instead of the top so that players with high walk speed or players just falling down the ring normally dont have to risk not activating the challenge and waste time going thru the cave or trying to fly back up? sorry for bad wordin lo

[half pike]

the entire idea behind beacons is just not a fun mechanic

[half pike]

salted can you fix party size thanks
it is not possible to create a party with 10 people for botb

[little olive]

[teal radish]

you stream?

[unreal robin]

I’ve just been recording more lately but I think I might start

[teal radish]

ah

[unreal robin]

Just my last struggle run of a lr I got like 10-13 boons out of a 80 challange run, it super highlighted how terrible it is to force the player to rely on rng to deal with the shitty scaling they added for no reason imo

[little olive]

how many choices?

[unreal robin]

3 cause i was fucked for time and had to skip an orage that didnt shoew up until like challage 74

[little olive]

why did you even cintnue the run then lmao

[modern pier]

^^stop forcing a godrun every run

[faint bough]

i think the point was that giving up a run is more effective/efficient then trying to play one out even if it doesnt go perfectly, which is not fun

[half pike]

fr having fun >>>> godruns

[fathom gale]

i cant imagine having fun in a long run with 3 choices personaly

[unreal robin]

its the sunken cost fallacy of already investing 45 mins and not wanting to waste that

its reallly not, it would have been 5+ at 45 mins but i has 2 minites on the timer and had to do a green and skip the V oragage that showed up

then of course cause orages are fuckign immposible to get again it didnt show up again till i did all my aqua grey d grey and whitew

[fathom gale]

i wouldnt even spend more than 15 minutes if i dont have atleast 4 choices and a rainbow

[unreal robin]

eh id rather every run force a god run than reset 8 times in a row

reseting for me, feels like shit

[fathom gale]

i'd rather play other games while reseting for vorange or rainbow first beacon

[unreal robin]

it makes me 20x more tilted

god i truly feel the entire lr system is so fucking flawed

[half pike]

it is

[modern pier]

Idk if ive been lucky these past 3 days but I get a god run every 2nd run

Where I end runs after 6 challenges if i get nothing good

[fathom gale]

yeah more or less the same

i been getting vorange starts quite often

[unreal robin]

Bru for me like 4/5 of my god runs I don’t see orange or rainbow till like challanges 20-30

Probably even more

[fathom gale]

well thats cuz you force every run so ofc its different for you

[unreal robin]

Well only lr 20% or less of runs seems dumb af to me, that feels like a “bigger” waste of time

[fathom gale]

by the time you try to do one run that didnt even start well i would have reseted atleast 5 times and most likely goten vorange or rainbow early or first beacon

you are just gaslighting yourself into thinking its a waste

[modern pier]

The amount of times I get rainbow or (v)orange at the very starts feels a bit unreal to me

[unreal robin]

The idea is, I’m already half way through the run, with ur idea I’d waste 50 minutes finding a run then waste an hour and a half doing it? That doesn’t seem efficient to me

[fathom gale]

half way through the run ? wdym by that

halfway would be challenge 50 ish right ?

[unreal robin]

Like by the time I get beacon options and rainbow I’ve done 6/10 of my reds, all I’m looking to do it get my aqua grey lined up

[fathom gale]

yeah thats exactly the problem

[unreal robin]

?

[fathom gale]

if i dont get 4 beacon choices by challenge 10-12 i just giveup on the run even if i have rainbow

[modern pier]

It takes like max 30 minutes for me to set up a god run and probably even less for Marqn that I think uses multiple classes. I promise you its worth it

[fathom gale]

and thats if im even doing challenges cuz lately i just afk and start lootruns use my rerolls and end if there is no vorange or rainbow and go back to afk while playing other games

[unreal robin]

Idk all of this just proves the point even more how dumb and broken the system is currently

[fathom gale]

ofc thats true but as i said you are just gaslighting yourself into lootruning the least efficient way

[half pike]

wow you have high standards

[fathom gale]

you are absolutely right that lootruning is in a shitty state but that doesnt mean il ignore the most optimal method of lootruning just cuz its stupid

[teal radish]

The optimal method is just no fun

[fathom gale]

yep

[half pike]

to add onto this
there are three parties iirc playing botb currently

and they all are breaking rules

[little olive]

afking?

[half pike]

yeah

[little olive]

thats the most efficient way to farm the coins tho, if they wanted they could have changed it so yoou get rewards based on time or sth

[carmine stratus]

he also has like 7 alts

so multiple alts just afking in the game

[little olive]

arent people also doing that for tna?

[carmine stratus]

i feel like the alt abuse in this game just kinda needs to be sorted out.

since yeah i think some do? but it's more of a "I wanna solo it" or something along those lines

[sleek valley]

might put some more time into improving the game for next year

it's too late for this year's event

[little olive]

tbh it is pretty cool if its an actual 5v5

[sleek valley]

it's difficult because i'm not entirely sure what the solution is

yea 5v5 is cool

it gets really hard to fill the slots for that later into the event though

needs some thought put into changes, which i didnt have the chance for this year

[ocean peak]

You simply have to incentivize playing the event more at later dates

[sleek valley]

yeah

but i don't think that's all that would need to be done

[ocean peak]

You’re just not gonna be able to have a consistent playerbase for a seasonal minigame throughout the entirety of a seasonal event

[sleek valley]

yes, i know

[half pike]

ah you see thats one of the people

theres like 3 groups because wynncraft

[carmine stratus]

i think he's also trying to sell the trinkets?

(which to me should just be bannable)

not selling them but alting solely to sell them

[half pike]

most effective way to farm skywars wins on hypixel is flight and killaura

[little olive]

its more effective to collaborate with everyone in your lobby so everyone jumps in the void and you rotate who doesnt

[half pike]

was 2.0.3 the update that changed tutorial again? its even worse now than it was before

they removed the last segment where you would run past the walls and then see the catapult (the catapult was literally the best part of the tutorial) and replaced it with oh go fight through some enemies and then fight another boss THEY ALREADY DID A BOSSFIGHT WTF

[sleek valley]

?

there's just the one boss fight at the end (replaced the run segment)

the run segment was a bit jank and wasnt a great representation of the kinda stuff youll be doing in wynn

[half pike]

yeah

except for the fact that that made the tutorial way worse again

it continues the trend of tutorial getting worse over time

[sleek valley]

how so

[half pike]

also um yeah running away from mobs too strong for you is actually a really good thing to tell new players

[half pike]

the new version is worse than the old version

[sleek valley]

it doesnt teach that lesson great because its pretty much just a cutscene

[half pike]

the run segment was cool and good and now its just oh boy another bossfight except now its got some bad looking walls you gotta bust through somehow

[teal radish]

don’t worry, 2.0.4 will change tutorial again

[half pike]

[sleek valley]

you have to keep in mind the tutorial's there to introduce new players to the game

for new players combat is still a novel experience

[half pike]

isnt that what the section on combat is for

[sleek valley]

like i wont say youre wrong for preferring the old one

but i dont think the new one is objectively worse

[half pike]

going and fighting a boss is not introducing new players to the game
there are im pretty sure 3 bosses out on the world

egg, matryoshka, and something im forgetting

[sleek valley]

running from a horde of invincible mobs that dont act like any other mobs in the game isnt introducing new players to anything either

[half pike]

it at least is like stuff people will experience in gameplay

[sleek valley]

and the boss isnt?

[half pike]

^

[sleek valley]

there are bosses in places other than the world

[half pike]

i certainly experienced running from mobs way higher levelled than me

[trim elbow]

ah yes bc open world bosses are the only bosses in the game

[half pike]

sure theres dungeons and mob altars, but this does not look like either

[sleek valley]

🤔

[half pike]

not wrong

tutorial used to have like
-making your own weapon (makes sense lore wise, good intro to profs)
-profs become optional side thing (best of the tutorials ive done ngl)
-profs are removed completely (literally just bad)
-buggy cave section added

[sleek valley]

but either way the tutorial gets changes more often than most other quests because it's very important to get right

buggy?

[half pike]

you go to the end and afk for like 2 minutes

buggy ig is the wrong word
slow

[sleek valley]

the new bit also has you more directly use your new spell in combat

[teal radish]

why do you like new players doing profs

also wtf does crafting have to do with lore?

lmao

[half pike]

huh

[hollow oak]

making your ow weapons is just misleading and makes the playertthink they have to prof 💀

[teal radish]

you said “making your own weapon (makes sense lore wise”

[half pike]

yeah

like if you get exiled from a nation

making a weapon is a logical way to get one

[sleek valley]

this isn't the story you're given

you're a new recruit

[teal radish]

and being given one by a guard isnt?

[half pike]

people dont normally hand out weapons

unless its chicago

[sleek valley]

profs in their current state arent something we want to super incentivize for players. they'll hopefully get changes to improve them later

[half pike]

yeah some doofus moved ragni stations 💀

[teal radish]

a soldier who is expecting new recruits wouldn’t have a weapon for them? Wat

arguably makes more sense than crafting one

[half pike]

interesting idea

that being said, not having profs in tutorial is also just really skull and it would be sick to readd them

[teal radish]

old version soldier be like “you don’t have a weapon? well we expect our new recruits to make their own”

[half pike]

isnt it supposed to be a surprise that there are zombies there

[teal radish]

again, why do you want new players to be introduced to profs

[sleek valley]

if anything profs would be better having a side quest to introduce them

[teal radish]

arguably the worst part of the game

[half pike]

because they are part of the game
if the player ends up having fun doing them then they should be able to

[half pike]

especially because it like tells people they exist where they wouldnt normally realize (especially with prof stations moved to a way worse spot)

[sleek valley]

they're not something we want to shove at players in the tutorial

[teal radish]

a small minority, if anyone, would have fun doing profs

[half pike]

then dont
just show them they exist

[half pike]

that is more than nobody

if people dont have fun then just dont do it
but if you would have fun it would be a shame to not realize it

[teal radish]

ok, but more people would do profs, think they suck, and possibly quit playing

[half pike]

i doubt it

[sleek valley]

this is something players can discover on their own

cook assistant & underwater have gathering segments

[half pike]

this is how basically everything works
like not jobs and schooling ig

[sleek valley]

like i said earlier this'd be the ideal

[half pike]

ig im also just slightly annoyed that you cant get level 4 in all combats and gatherings in tutorial anymore which is very bad

[sleek valley]

?

[half pike]

but like it was a pretty cool experience doing tutorial for the first time

ig i just like cool things maybe

perhaps its bias from it being good

[teal radish]

cool is subjective

[half pike]

yeah true

[silver siren]

I think they removed the prof segment (unless they re-added it in which case I agree the tutorial is worse )

[limpid sonnet]

no it got removed and is still removed

[lone leaf]

ge lily

[carmine stratus]

i did tutorial and it was fine?

it was better than just running from a group of mobs.

[modern pier]

A running section with no obstacles was just bad

[little olive]

Btw I can confirm prof tutorial is bad, wasted a lot of time leveling all gathering profs to like 40 and craftings to 20-30 (nowhere ingame does it tell you crafting with ings gives more xp)
It didnt take that long actually but that was because it was a dxp weekend with my discors boost and oretty much constant bombs

[modern pier]

Its much better now

[little olive]

Ik

[fathom gale]

me when this is more exciting than idol in end reward chest somehow

[rare sedge]

What shoes

[fathom gale]

boreal/slayer/mt/db

[subtle prairie]

No you see the point of this chat is for the same 4 people to continuously get mad about this update before they realize that this thread isn't even being looked at anymore and was unpinned like 2 weeks ago

[vital raft]

surely we will get 2.0.4 Constructive Feedback Megathread 🙏

[subtle prairie]

and surely that will be used for actual constructive feedback and not derailed and then used as a diary 10minutes after it gets opened

[half pike]

"so first we need some backstory: I was born on september 17th 1993 at 10:43 pm EST"

(bad example cuz nobody playing wynncraft is that old but like)

[fathom gale]

you'd be suprised

[modern pier]

ME TOO LMAO

[faint bough]

wynntils mythic sound hits different 🙏🙏🙏

[modern pier]

Got to hear it again

[teal radish]

maybe if there’s a mythic it should only show the mythic in the chest opening animation, right in the middle

and should be an unIDed box

[finite basin]

New update new nighthawk?

[quiet lark]

thread revival

[silver siren]

Thread re-murder

[merry umbra]

oh yeah i’m supposed to make one of these

[wide kite]

Idk if this is the right place to put this, but I just joined the server, and not seeing a rule like "Don't be a bigot" kinda spiked my anxiety (since A, i am a minority, and B, that feels like a basic rule that should be there?), and I looked up stuff relating to transness in the server, since I've got some gender weirdness going on, and there's apparently been a LOT of transphobia? I feel like a rule against transphobia and bigotry SHOULD be there

(btw this isn't like a political thing it's a "basic human respect" and "don't be a bigot?????" thing fjkdnskjfdj)

[winter temple]

this is the wrong place

[wide kite]

Ahh- where's the right place to put something like this?

[winter temple]

probably create a new thread in this forum

[wide kite]

Wait hold on, getting confused- isn't this the constructive feedback thread? I feel like this is constructive feedback, why wouldn't this go here? (this is a genuine question, I'm just confused)

[winter temple]

this thread was dedicated to the 2.0.3 changes

[wide kite]

Ohhhh that makes a lot more sense

[inner sky]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-peppino-breakdance-pizza-tower-gif-27562340

This update is great

They changed Pfinder tna warp

Thanks devs yall are awesome

[hollow oak]

now i dont lose 1 dura every time ij oin pfinder!
and we cann start raid instantlyy!

[cunning verge]

this person is totally valid but "don't be a bigot" is literally in the rules

Transphobia is bannable, and when a trans woman made a joke about being transphobic they were like "nvm this community sucks" 😭

anyways yeah. Felt necessary to respond to that because it seemed like you guys were clowning on them when they had a very valid point, they just weren't ... the most pleasant person

[silver siren]

It was the wording, and the fact it is already against the rules (rule 5 literally states that bigotry is not tolerated)

[carmine stratus]

I feel bad but it genuinely felt like a twitter user

[cunning verge]

It did

[void nova]

it was, I could smell it from a mile away-

like me when I felt like there was a little one related item in this event

[modern pier]

Im convinced its a troll

No way you join a server and complain about the rules without reading the rules

The rules are a 1 minute read

[half pike]

im pretty sure i am the wynncraft player who read the rules

and i have no idea why nobody reads em like its not that hard like a bit of hunting sure

[cloud mulch]

i dont think it was a troll, it felt like xey were used to smaller communities and werent used to trolling

i feel kinda bad, but at the same time xey were being pretty rude and assuming that the whole wynn community was somehow transphobic based on a few out of context joke messages

actual transphobia gets banned here, anyone who spends more than a day in this community knows that

[carmine stratus]

I already knew human decency.. to an extent was expected here. But yeah. I dont think they would of fared well especially since the game i think also includes some slightly dark implied topics?

[unreal robin]

I mean aren’t there multiple “gay” relationships like in the lore lmao

[sleek valley]

...why is that in quotes

[unreal robin]

I don’t remember if it was a boy or girl or avos or what u would call that

Maxie wedding I forgot who they married

• aren’t there more than that?

Or am I trippin

[sleek valley]

right. but why'd you add quotes around gay

[unreal robin]

Cause I didn’t know if there were also lesbian relationships and all that so I use “gay” as a cover term to kinda mean them all as a similar concept

[unreal robin]

Like take “word” out replace it with more applicable title in specific example

[unreal robin]

Yes but the connotation of this is mostly for men

[little olive]

the "connotation" of "this"

[unreal robin]

The society’s underlying definition/undertanding, I’m just saying gay is mostly used for men…

My brain was having a seizure

Like there are multiple definitions for the same word cause the connotation of the word has changed over time

[hollow oak]

ye they got trigged at linny for talking about guild community being rude and saying keep yourself safe (sort of fair, shouldnt havr to censor everything and should know not to take anything ont he internet to heart) and had a victimist mindeset (i do not giv a shi if u trans or not jsut dont make it yo personality and shove it it my face >:( ) anyhways this was pro out of pocket and unrelated so erh balls

[unreal robin]

Welp I was gonna say something but it got blocked

[void nova]

Wynncraft lore moment

[neon slate]

most constructive 2.0.3 feedback fr

[lost talon]

1 in 30k pulls iirc

[silver siren]

Let this thread die