2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[thorny glacier]

you are at fault

that is incorrect, at least when talking about possible

[fathom gale]

whats sad is that half of the barriers placed are pointless cuz you can still cheese stuff

[hollow oak]

i should try lootrunning on a clas other than warrior to see these changes in effect

[fathom gale]

so they just block the map for no reason at all

[hollow oak]

but all my builds are meme builds and cant do shit :(

[fathom gale]

the most anoying part is that i cant afk on the unbelievably boring reject grove and garden of whatever slay mob challenges while all the waves finish spawning (i can still afk at the garden cuz as i said they didnt even place barriers properly lmao)

[hollow oak]

which one is reject grove?
also dont the slay mob ones spawn waves faster if u kill all the mobs?

[fathom gale]

the big tree in the forest of eyes with 5 waves

[hollow oak]

o yeah fair

[rare sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-pitchfork-kill-burn-stake-gif-11227021

(:

[fathom gale]

?

tf since when can the green booger boss heal himself

[hollow oak]

oh yeah a complaint i have is normal mobs being annoying as fuck in lootruns(especially in the green booger boss)

[fathom gale]

green booger area is pure aids for mage now istg

[hollow oak]

the space is already tiny

[fathom gale]

there is practicaly no space to kite him

[hollow oak]

and the terrain is so shit
and if the skinny tall shotgun ai enemy spawns then its just hella annoying cuz u have to fight at one slanted side of the tiny arena

[fathom gale]

well kiting him isnt an issue cuz he doesnt move much but the other mobs...

[hybrid frigate]

High WS curse + non flying class

[fathom gale]

instant death

imagine doing lantern keeper without the cheese on high ws curse

[hybrid frigate]

Just don't get curses 4head

[half pike]

i knew it!

purple emerald get on it lexnt bossfight ong

[hollow oak]

wtf you umade the charon bosss fight frick u!!!!111!

[half pike]

also til free rr a day is actually on every lr

[hollow oak]

whorh

[half pike]

you get a free rr each day

but it apparently applies to every lr not just the first one

[little olive]

Yes, because 3 of the classes are literally DESIGNED for fucking ranged combat

[unreal robin]

^ this is what I mean by camps fundamentally need to be redesigned

How are you gonna do “ranged combat” when the area you can fight in is like a 10 block radius

[fathom gale]

i still find it hilarious that more than half of the challenges that they filled to the brim with barriers are still easily cheesable 😂

so they just made SE so much harder to traverse for no reason at all

[half pike]

yeah

what beacon gives end rrs? i thought it was dark gray but no thats rewards and its not gray cuz thats beacon rrs

i had like 3 rrs one time but idk what from

[fathom gale]

its gray, dark gray gives pulls

[half pike]

oh wtf i thought gray was beacon rr

[light pivot]

orange gives beacon rerolls

[fathom gale]

its not beacon reroll tho

[half pike]

orange gives beacons what

[light pivot]

not rerolls i mean

[fathom gale]

it just gives you more beacon choices

[light pivot]

ye that

u get beacon rerolls from lootrun levels and cant get more

[half pike]

oh huh i thought there was a strategy of rring beacons until you got what you wanted

for like the entire lr

[fathom gale]

bruh slime you needa watch kmaxi guide to lootruning or smth

[half pike]

what

that is true tho nobody knows lootrunning like kmaxi

[fathom gale]

eh idk about that but he has a good guide alredy made

much easier to forward someone to the video than try and explain it myself

[teal radish]

read the messages below this, yeah you probably just took an unboosted grey each time

[half pike]

i have not seen gray or orange yet today

or white

[teal radish]

well the daily reward reroll definitely didn’t count for every run before this hotfix

probably a new bug if you really didn’t take a grey

[fathom gale]

ok reject grove is also cheesable LMAO this is so stupid

[faint bough]

very band aid barrier placing

[fathom gale]

it doesnt even solve the cheesing either, it just blocks our paths to travel

so far reject groce, book deffend challenge, statue defense at olmic, molten architechture defense, the garden of respite (i think thats the name) are all as easily cheesable as before even with all the barriers
the only ones i cant find a cheese for are the slay mobs at olmic, defense near loot symposium and the green booger boss

so hey 3 out of 8 are fixed (unless there is still a cheese that i havent found yet)

[unreal robin]

I might test around tonight and maybe record stuff just to highlight the problem

[hollow oak]

whic one is molten architexture and garden of respite?

[fathom gale]

molten is deffend next to haze cave, garden of respite is slay mobs with 4 waves next to exemplar and caged creatures

[hollow oak]

me and the bois hate exemplar

[fathom gale]

oh yeah i forgot to mention he is also cheesable still so thats 3 out of 9 fixed

oh im also forgetting destroy at gate to nowhere so i guess 4 out of 10

[hollow oak]

does destroy the void hole at the gate still not spawn mobs 💀

[fathom gale]

its always spawned mobs for me idk

[faint bough]

it only spawns mobs like half the time or they just dont agro u at least for me

[soft thicket]

just got on to check the barrier walls what the fuck

[unreal robin]

Ur talking about the one right next to tna? I always though it was the random mobs near by, I don’t think it actually spawns anything for me atleast

[soft thicket]

eyeball forest challenge is going to be hell now

[unreal robin]

It’s it great 👍 just gotta wait 3 months for them to fix it (maybe copium)

[soft thicket]

I know the devs hate cheese but this is not the way to fix it

theres still cheese for the exiled/exiled farmers as far as I can tell

[fathom gale]

you can cheese that as well

[soft thicket]

how so

[fathom gale]

so far out of 10 challenges they have attempted to fix with barriers only 4 are actualy fixed

[fathom gale]

you can sit here

[soft thicket]

lmao

[fathom gale]

and as i said 5 other challenges are also cheesable even with all the barriers spamed senselessly

[soft thicket]

which

[fathom gale]

@soft thicket

[soft thicket]

garadon has cheese 100%

[fathom gale]

idk cant find one

but i also havent looked that much as i just blast him to bits

[soft thicket]

ledge

the entire area in fact

[fathom gale]

cant you still get hit by the melee mobs there ?

[soft thicket]

no

they fail to pathfind up when ur on the corner

saw a ghost sitting here for this defend

[fathom gale]

lmao

[soft thicket]

what the heck is this thing

they put barriers on this single block lmao

why didnt they add barriers to haze cave

like come on if ur gonna spam barriers give it 100%

lol, lmao even

[plain flower]

idk what the are doing

they just make everything a lot more complicated and didnt fix any issue at all but to cause more havoc

[fathom gale]

okay i guess almost everything is still cheesable lmao

[soft thicket]

more cheese stuff

[plain flower]

lmfao

[fathom gale]

that one is best cheesed from the tree branch right next imo

[soft thicket]

true

just finding as many as I can

[plain flower]

do you think they also added new barriers in corkus?

[fathom gale]

i dont want to know and i dont plan to check

[soft thicket]

not according to patch notes

[plain flower]

lmao they just did a half job done

[soft thicket]

I feel like they shadowbuffed damage

[wraith gazelle]

Something about shaman's aura speed felt different ngl

It felt faster when I went on earlier

[soft thicket]

also notable softlock I found while trying to find another spot lmao

[fathom gale]

i just love the assasin flying around without a care in the world

[soft thicket]

so true

[wraith gazelle]

Ngl hunted people will be funny to hunt now with these stupid barriers

or maybe not, idk, i dont play hunted

[plain flower]

those barriers also applies not in lr?

[soft thicket]

lmao they moved this tree closer and put no barriers

[plain flower]

'Smh im too tired to add some more barriers lets just move the tree a few blocks closer'

[soft thicket]

you can start the challenge on the tree now

[plain flower]

fr intended gameplay

[fathom gale]

the more you look the worse it gets

[soft thicket]

laziest patch in the game

well they did fix a ton of other stuff

[teal radish]

oh they added actual graves to that challenge? nice

[soft thicket]

but this specific change was super lazy

[soft thicket]

pretty sure this is in bounds

[teal radish]

it’s melting architecture and false respite. the garden one you’re probably thinking of is garden of exile (the slay challenge with exiled reapers)

[plain flower]

shadow fixing not a lot of stuff tbh

they just make this is like pokemon scarlet and violet

[soft thicket]

and yet there are no graves in graveyard of the thousand lol

(void hole arena)

[fathom gale]

lmao i guess im mixing up their names together 😂

[soft thicket]

everything can still be cheesed lol

besides void hole arena screw that one

[teal radish]

probably just the normal void valley mobs, the mobs it’s supposed to have have been bugged

[fathom gale]

Ah well the normal mobs are anoying enough as it is

[teal radish]

that’s probably just cuz prof trees change the way they look every patch, idk why

[soft thicket]

technically counts (I think you can barely see the defend when ur here)

[fathom gale]

I love the vortexian rare fucket...(I don't)

Gotta love getting slingshoted into the stratosphere (or not cuz there are now barriers everywhere)

[teal radish]

@unreal robin @soft thicket

[soft thicket]

?

[unreal robin]

Agree

With my experience atleast

[soft thicket]

I think you meant to ping someone else

[teal radish]

these are the mobs gateway to nothing is supposed to have

[soft thicket]

ah

[plain flower]

those mob name are very creative

[teal radish]

ye

[soft thicket]

you can get stuck in this stuff somehow with mage but I cant replicate it

[void nova]

It’s not supposed to have anyone because no one is there

[teal radish]

real

[soft thicket]

it is the gateway to nothing after all

[soft thicket]

yeah it works

[stable pecan]

Corkus lootrun gameplay
(Golden Avia #35678)

[crystal lantern]

ayo lootrun stuff is less vibrant now?? i like this, it looks much better

[teal radish]

Eh, the orange didn’t bother me too much, but it’s better I suppose

the verify your equipment UI still looks terrible though, the issue with that one was NOT the colors

the issues with that one are the animated start button, bad font, and metallic looking design

also the start button being blue was probably better

[half pike]

i dont mind verify your equipment that much ngl but yeah blue could be cool

[teal radish]

the start button looks like a slot machine with the moving arrows

the arrows just don’t fit into the concept at all

[crystal lantern]

i like the gold instead of orange cuz it fits ingame gold very well

[teal radish]

yeah that’s understandable

the lootrun start GUI still needs design changes though

[unreal robin]

Also does anyone actually like the slow ass 5 second timer when starting a run. It feels like such a waste of time to me

[teal radish]

it adds 5 seconds to a minimum 15 minute run

barely a waste of time

it would feel weird if there was no timer

though one thing that could maybe be changed is showing the beacons during the timer

[unreal robin]

It’s more like after my 50th run I’m just like why do I have to waste time here

[teal radish]

that way you could decide during the timer and go immediately to the beacon you want

[teal radish]

oh boy 4 minutes wasted after 50 lootruns, how terrible!!!

[unreal robin]

Agree idk give an option to people who hate cutscenes and stuff like that. Imo I also kinda hate it takes a full 10 seconds for rewards chest to open

[faint bough]

ok so i wasnt schizoing when i thought the tree moved again

[teal radish]

that adds suspense, suppose it could be shortened though

[unreal robin]

I’m not sure if this is what they changed in the patch or “challanges reward chest animation quicken” I wish they were just a tad more specific

[teal radish]

they changed the animation for the cave reward chest

[unreal robin]

Imo it’s just like give people a “fast” option they can toggle so they don’t have to deal with that stuff if they don’t want to after their 100th run

[teal radish]

they’d have to code a completely new “fast” animation

not worth the work

[unreal robin]

Eeeeeek just have the “fast” be no animation, that doesn’t seem like that much work

Like cgg

[teal radish]

that would look weird AF

[unreal robin]

Why? It would be like opening any other lootchest?

[teal radish]

like what, you click the reroll button and it stays in the GUI and instantly changes the loot?

[unreal robin]

Yes, or quickly spins like raid rewards or forgery etc. just make it fast

I don’t need 3 different angles of the same chest I’ve looked at over 100 times now every time I want to “roll”

[teal radish]

yeah it should probably just be the front angle

[alpine forum]

make the chest fly up in the air and spin around 3 times when you press "re roll"

then make the animation like a minute long to slow down mythic gathering

[teal radish]

I think most people will still want to see all the floating items though, you’re probably alone in just wanting it to act like a raid chest

[unreal robin]

I just want it to be faster. I hate all of the “unnecessary” waiting there is in Wynn even if it’s only 5-30 seconds

Cough cough haze cave

[unreal robin]

Also personally I hate the floating items. The spot mythics show up is so anti climatic to me. You have this whole arc of times and miss the perfect opportunity to be able to “highlight” if you get a mythic or not. Instead you just look for a tiny purple partial off the the right the feels extreme anti climatic. Imo

[teal radish]

it feels better than when it’s in the chest and looks exactly like the other items

(unless you have wynntils and then it’s mythic background)

if they make the items mythic boxes (which I think they should do) it would look much better on the arc AND in the chest

[unreal robin]

Agree I think it’s really lame it’s not a box honestly

I guess they are saving you 6 emerald blocks by revealing them to you un id already

[teal radish]

not saving me anything…selling unIDed is boring…

[tropic ginkgo]

I agree with Buuns forcing me to watch the cutscene every time is ridiculous

just give me the god damn loot

[wraith gazelle]

Ok I hadn't tried to lr yet (cuz carpal tunnel) and jesus christ you guys made shaman barely playable for lrc

Goodbye oly lrc

[unreal robin]

Real. Lootrunning was the first time I’ve touched shaman again since 2.0 and now it feels useless again

[wraith gazelle]

I hate that I have to go back to warrior/mage for lrc cuz that's exactly what made my wrists hurt so much so I think I just won't do it as much anymore

oh and with the new stupid queue system it's just nah bruh, I don't want to play again :(

[teal radish]

macros were crazy

[wraith gazelle]

I'm too prideful to use macros

(it's why I ended up with carpal tunnel)

But jitterclicking STILL gets the queue system triggered, so I'm rightful when I say it's annoying as hell

[teal radish]

sounds like a…whatever the opposite of a skill issue is

[unreal robin]

Tbh I still don’t really understand what people mean why the q system. Sometime I click my mouse and it locks me out of my macros for 5-6 seconds and sometimes as I’m spamming macros for different spells ie I wanna bash -> war scream -> uppercut. One of the spells or inputs will just be eaten and deleted and ruin the spell cycling I’m trying to do. I wish that side of accessibility to macros was nice cause trying to cycle 3 different spells is an extreme skill issue for me honestly

I’m not even trying to go fast I just want it to feel “smooth”

[hard heron]

i do kinda miss the times when mage physically couldnt spam meteor

spell spam back then was so much simpler and easier on the hands

[wraith gazelle]

1 spell cost Pure went hard in 1.20, and yeah you could do it as fast as you wanted but needed to wait for the meteor crashed

[honest lodge]

not even jitterclicking

if you cast spells fast enough it triggers it

[wraith gazelle]

I still can't believe they killed Pure this bad, I will never forget CT for what they did to my beloved wand...

[honest lodge]

it takes the skill out of the game

the macro changes

because you cant cast spells faster

whats the point in learning cycles if you cant even benefit from casting faster anymore

its probably the worst way to "fix" the issue

[vast cairn]

They should add pure’s major ID to singularity

I think it fits well

[hard heron]

hot take, they should add cooldowns to more spells and rebalance the spells based on the cooldown

[ocean peak]

yeah that is definitely a take

[honest lodge]

theres a reason 1.20 mage was almost never played for dps

thats such a bad idea, part of getting better wynn is learning to cast faster

that just ruins that

[hollow oak]

i jsut want to spam my uppercuits before they finish to feel cool and get carpal tunnel bruh :(

[hard heron]

and that reason is that meteor scaling didn't factor in the cooldown where you wait for your meteor to fall. not the cooldown

[teal radish]

that’s actually kind of what salted wanted to do with 2.0

forget why he didn’t do it

but he wanted to make spells cast less often and therefore more meaningfully

kinda think that would’ve been nice

[tropic ginkgo]

it wouldn't have been terrible after everything got ironed out but it would've required a much more drastic shift in the item base and stuff

[honest lodge]

the cooldown also made it like really boring to play

cooldowns contribute to slower gameplay

[hollow oak]

shaman moment

[hard heron]

note how i said cooldown, but didnt say how long. the cooldown could be 0.5s and it'd still do it's job

[honest lodge]

thats still kinda slow for a faster paced combat game like wynn imo

its not good to restrict someones ability to have fun

[hard heron]

the point is to get rid of the potentially infinite (well not really because 20tps) scaling of macro gameplay so that spells can be properly balanced to the average manual spellcaster

[honest lodge]

macros were alraedy killed

[ocean peak]

this was literally what release 2.0 beta was like and it was beyond terrible

[honest lodge]

the only scenario where macros are like very useful is the top teirs of wars

[ocean peak]

i think this is just … not true

[teal radish]

yeah that was bad

[honest lodge]

eh otherwise if you have a fast macro it burns your mana if you use it "effectively"

[teal radish]

the spells would have to be balanced a bit better

[ocean peak]

why even try to reinvent the game that much

[honest lodge]

idk cooldowns just make the game more boring

[teal radish]

game is too easy maybe?

[little saffron]

cow man succeed on lightbender

[ocean peak]

how does difficulty factor into that

[teal radish]

spamming spells absolutely shreds bosses

especially with macros

[ocean peak]

you’re talking about how the game is fundamentally played and not the balance behind it

[teal radish]

yes

[ocean peak]

the two aren’t dependent on each other you know

[hard heron]

i'd argue game balance has quite a bit to do with how the games is played

[tropic ginkgo]

as if heavy spell/burst spell is also unable to do that

[hard heron]

imagine trying to balance snipers the fps way in a shmup game

[tropic ginkgo]

to not make the game nigh unplayable you'd have to totally rebalance damage and cost items to compensate anyways

[ocean peak]

i don’t know what a shmup game is nor do I care honestly

[hard heron]

shoot 'em up

games with hordes of squishy enemies

[tropic ginkgo]

you'd probably have to rebalance some (most) boss fights and mobs too to deal with the fact that using movement spells on demand isn't really a thing anymore

the fact of the matter is that wynncraft is and has been balanced around cooldownless spells for a very long time and it will require incredibly drastic changes to make it balanced in this new spell cooldown environment

[hard heron]

bumping this to the front

why do people think on the order of multiple seconds when talking about cooldowns

[honest lodge]

a 0.5s cooldown is still a bad idea; it takes the fun out of the game

you would have to make a combo system or like reinvent how people play spell builds to make that work

[ocean peak]

i have no idea why people are trying to reinvent the wheel just because of arcanist in recent times being able to abuse macros

[tropic ginkgo]

unless every class gets nerfed proportionally we end up with massive discrepancies like aura vs literally every other spell

it's also just. incredibly hard to reinvent wynncraft and rebalance everything

[honest lodge]

also they killed heavy spell so it seems wynn doesn't like the idea of spells of high damaging, infrequent spells although heavy spell was never particularly alive

[tropic ginkgo]

the issue with heavy spell is rollable ids

[honest lodge]

elaborate?

[tropic ginkgo]

so like theoretically if all spells have cooldowns and all the items in the game are rebalanced and mobs are also all rebalanced to make them a little less oppressive it could work (theoretically)

[honest lodge]

thats too much work to combat an issue that doesnt affect like 90% of players

[tropic ginkgo]

if we eliminate the problem that is rollable ids heavy spell becomes theoretically (theoretically) fine

[honest lodge]

why are rollable ids the problem?

[tropic ginkgo]

it all boils down to the fact that spell cost ids are rollable and no matter what you set it to it's gonna be either 1. too busted if you get a good roll 2. completely unusable unless you get a good roll

[teal radish]

yeah that’s all probably why salted didn’t go through with it

[unreal robin]

I don’t to wait 8 seconds before I can uppercut again just for cool down reduction gear to become meta. Cool downs would be fucking awful

[trim elbow]

yeah but #2 is significantly less of a problem than #1

[tropic ginkgo]

of course you can say "dungeon item" but there's a surprisingly small amount of places where you can just slap more of those

[tropic ginkgo]

this is also true

I mean also something about how heavy spell pieces are forced to become centerpieces but uhh. the main reason is that it just does not function in the current meta and would only thrive if the meta became heavy spell (in my opinion)

[honest lodge]

heavy spell is also kinda awful to play imo

having to wait to cast movement spells kinda ruins the game for me

[tropic ginkgo]

there is an argument to be made that heavy spell only feels truly awful right now because we've been spoiled with cooldown-less spells

but like. why remake wynncraft when you can not remake wynncraft, right?

[honest lodge]

so true

[unreal robin]

Ya imo cooldowns are a terrible idea, why are we forcing players to wait to play the game

[honest lodge]

although managing uptimes and spell combos could make for fun gameplay, wynn was not made in that style

[tropic ginkgo]

I also have no idea why this is suddenly being brought up after 40 cps arcanist macros got removed

[honest lodge]

and it is almost certainly too late for a change

[tropic ginkgo]

like there was plenty of time before this to suggest remaking wynncraft or support the brief "remake wynncraft" movement at the start of 2.0

[half pike]

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-wynn-the-number-one-minecraft-mmorpg-the-number-1-minecraft-mmorpg-gif-17756759373806065178

pov: no safe spots

[unreal robin]

imo this patch really is pregnant man emoji

[wraith gazelle]

Truly the best way to describe it lmao

[modern pier]

What does that mean

[wraith gazelle]

It means it's very 🫃

[teal radish]

what’s wrong with a pregnant man

[hard heron]

there's nothing wrong with it, it's just very 🫃

[teal radish]

then it’s equally 🤰 and 🫄

[hard heron]

yes but saying a patch is 🫃, 🫄 and 🤰 is too wordy

🫃is a whole 1 syllabels shorter than 🫄and 🤰

[teal radish]

🫄technically includes them all

a pregnant man and pregnant woman are both pregnant people

[hard heron]

but 🫃+ 🤰 = 2🫄

[unreal robin]

my tummy hurts

[hybrid frigate]

Looks like piss, and still flat af

[tall stag]

Spamming melee with light bender should NOT reset the orb attack, and instead should make it a continuous flow of orbs after orb after orb. Makes you lose DPS on any wand faster than "slow" unless you want to literally kill your orbs one by one

It's really upsetting that you can find a wand with "super fast attack speed" but then it's completely incompatible with the archetype so you have an obligation to abandon your main attack DPS.

[hard heron]

well -atk speed gear exists

i do agree it's kinda silly though

[lost talon]

Yes

I want to play lightbender on any att speed

Not just slow

I play no winded lightbender

[fathom gale]

tierstack riftbender incoming

riftbender alredy has enough dps, it doesnt need any more

[lost talon]

I use lightbender, no winded

[plain flower]

🫃has the most value among the 3 of them

[fathom gale]

wha..why

[silver siren]

Yea why

Unless it’s a pure heals build on like KoH there is no reason to not use winded and lightbender, it’s literally free dps for doing what you’re already doing anyways

[carmine stratus]

Technically you can. Just gotta be a shotgun at that point.

[rare sedge]

Isn't it more straight up caused by damage power creep or something

[verbal seal]

What changed?

[lost talon]

Not shotgun. Orbs would attack at the same speed.

[carmine stratus]

no at very close ranges you can spam the orbs

because they bounce back quick enough. It's the only time spamming is ever possible

[lost talon]

More, utility, aoe and dmg is like only 25% worse.

[fathom gale]

25%? more utility? more aoe? where what

riftbender has the same utility and aoe(0) as lightbender

[lost talon]

So what does have to do with att speed if it wouldn't matter

[fathom gale]

you literaly lose no lightbender abilities for going riftbender

[carmine stratus]

because you can go for higher attack speeds at close ranges

[lost talon]

Make it not spammable.

Done

[carmine stratus]

...

[fathom gale]

also did a bunch of threads get revived for anyone else 💀

[carmine stratus]

that's a horrible idea.

[fathom gale]

either discord is bugging or someone sent message in each thread and deleted it

[carmine stratus]

as much as i hate the speed of ophanim, i will admit, it being spammable allows the lightbender to play riskier for more damage.

[lost talon]

I suggest that orbs would all attack equally no matter the attack speed. So they would spread the dmg equally between themselves.

So spamming could stay

[carmine stratus]

that's fine. As long as spamming stays it'd be fine

[lost talon]

But it wouldn't delete orbs one by one

[lost talon]

But all equally

[lost talon]

https://youtu.be/VTKBVNRRV1E

I don't use burning sigil in this iirc

But lightbender could use that too

Also ya can more ice snake upgrades, manastorm, better lightweaver

[little saffron]

lightbender manastorm 🤯

[lost talon]

Yes

Ya can also get seance

[fathom gale]

brother

testing with morph the nothing is not the way..

[verbal seal]

Do you even need manastorm on lightbender

[fathom gale]

i put a riftbender tree on my warp and i do 50-60k without breathless and 100-130k with breathless

[lost talon]

I actually play this https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=4#8_0Au09-0D407W0vI0uA0wr0Ji0uy160j1D041h1g1006FU01000FU1006FU103tlU0z0z0+0+0+0+0-jdtOETrU5

[fathom gale]

no, not at all

[fathom gale]

the video has morph the nothing

[lost talon]

Yes

This is Quetzalcoatl

[fathom gale]

regardless its not 25% dmg diff its 100% and thats without entropy

[lost talon]

Gonna conduct more tests.

[fathom gale]

yeah try it with your quetza build

[lost talon]

Yes

[fathom gale]

ok i guess someone trolled then

[tropic ginkgo]

guild chat appearance rollfac

also uhh morph nothing

[glad ermine]

same here

[half pike]

yeah it was customsupport

[teal radish]

little of both cuz of macros (which are fixed now ig)

[little olive]

What part did they even fix, could you do like more than 20 cps before?

[teal radish]

apparently there’s a queue now to prevent abusable macros

[little olive]

so youre just limited to 1 click/tick now?

[teal radish]

idk

[vocal coral]

roughly 9 cps assuming server isn't shutting itself

[little olive]

was csst always programmed this poorly? i just disconnected during a room and was somehow stuck in the ground

(this has happend THREE conscutive times btw)

[fathom gale]

ok i just found a goofy ahh bug

i went to do the exemplar challenge and since i had a lot of curses got 1 taped as i steped on it and died

1 second after being teleported to the lootrun camp i get teleported back to the exemplar and the challenge starts as if nothing happened

[little olive]

bro no way you got taped?!?!!?!?

[unreal robin]

Imo lootruns basically turning into one shot everything or get one shot is such a bad design honestly. I think fundamentally the scaling and the boons and the curses just don’t work well as a system

[rare sedge]

Game tried to apologize you for that

[unreal robin]

Just the way stats work in general the player shouldn’t have 1 million ehp and they should be dealing with mobs with over 1 billion ehp.

Also mobs moving at Mach 5 speeds is just ridiculous to me

[rare sedge]

I'm pretty sure that there's a point in challenges where you can just outscale mobs tenfolds

At least without curses

[unreal robin]

If you get lucky and stack boons early but you also want curses early so you can use them to get the good boons.

[rare sedge]

For long runs I tend to pick 8 curses for max boons and then stop

[unreal robin]

Omfg I hate some of the filters here really just a deleted a whole fuckinf paragraph’s

[little olive]

tbh you dont gen oneshot unless you dont take defensive boons or only have agi ehp

[unreal robin]

I’m not re trying that shit

You don’t have enought boons before challange 14 then it’s stupid easy by 30

It’s dumb to me runs are “hardest” between challenges 10-30 then it’s trivially easy because boons and scaling and curses are not balanced

Like “setting up a run” is the hardest part which is super stupid to me

God I hate the stupid fucking filter deleted my whole msg cause auto correct changed boon to boom. Why the fuck did the choose some weird ass name instead of just like buff or something

Has happened to me like 3 times today alone

[unreal robin]

I’d ask Marq about how we feel about being killed within 1 frame I’ve seen him post about it 7-8 times recently. I don’t think it’s a me problem, I think it’s a lootrunning and scaling problem

[little olive]

i feel like its a combined problem of you relying on agi for ehp and lag (+ multihit)

[unreal robin]

Idk it’s more of the fact “one shot” mechanics are just bad. Then scaling every single mob to have the potential to basically instantly kill you just sucks. I have a clip of my getting murdered in like 3 frames by some random mobs when I was just running from camp to camp and I have like 800k-1 mil ehp at the time

Like why does dmg tick instantly but health regen is only every 4 seconds. When enemies can instantly kill you before your health regen even can kick in is crazy to me. It made me 300k eh regen just mean nothing. And I was playing a tank build

That’s why I say scaling just fucking sucks, like yes I kill camps insanely fast but if wynncraft doesn’t want me to “cheese” then there’s a huge chance I’m just gonna get one shot because of the ridiculous scaling that happens when you also have some curses

[fathom gale]

man the barriers are reject grove are just so stupid

as if its not enough that it blocks the path, they also get you stuck cuz its not a proper square and instead each branch is barriered off individualy

[half pike]

wheres that

[fathom gale]

like just remove the barriers ya'll failed at patching cheeses.. everything is still cheesable and all you did was make the map aids

[half pike]

which grove is it and how where do you find their names

[fathom gale]

artemis has them named so i just go by that

reject grove is the 5 wave big tree in foorest of eyes

[half pike]

huh i wonder where artemis got their names from, probably zeer

oh the one with the annoying wave mobs?

[fathom gale]

ye

[unreal robin]

Ya I think Wynn or the community should come up with official names

[half pike]

erm ct

stone blocks out of place !!!! please fix this is an unforgivable sin !!!!

[teal radish]

deusphage did the names for silent expanse

not sure about corkus names

[half pike]

oh neat

[teal radish]

but the names were already all on wiki since beta

so thats where artemis got them from

[teal radish]

they are basically official

at least for SE, not sure who made corkus names

[teal radish]

^

[unreal robin]

I use wynntils so I don’t see the names for majority of camps

[teal radish]

so you're saying you want them all put in the base game?

like what artemis does?

[unreal robin]

Ya, or just like what they do for haze cave, just have its name in the camp circle or something

[teal radish]

camp circle?

[unreal robin]

Where you stand to trigger the camp?

[teal radish]

ah

so artemis also has the name hovering over circle?

[hollow oak]

arent the names just the same as the onnes int he content bookk(for the caves)

[teal radish]

for caves yes

[unreal robin]

You think I’m gonna read the content book

Eeek

[half pike]

yeah but you dont actually see the challenge names, just the cave names for the caves (and nothing for the non caves)

[lost talon]

feral avos and treasure grabbers were not on the wiki, those are made up (treasure grabbers by me)

[teal radish]

oh true

[lost talon]

...

[teal radish]

@limpid sonnet wanna use these names?

[limpid sonnet]

eh sure

[wraith gazelle]

So I was lring and had a bit of lag, I then realized how awful the next DXP weekend will be

If the queue system isn't dealt with

[unreal robin]

Literally throwing up thinking about it

Nothing like queueing a spell and it coming out 7-15 seconds later omg

[unreal stratus]

no reward? 💀

[soft thicket]

Ur guild xp is probably set to 100

[unreal stratus]

Yeah my bad

I'm trying to stay at my lvl though, thank you

[unreal robin]

trade market broken?

[teal radish]

that’s still probably a visual bug though

discoveries still show the xp they give when you have guild xp 100

[fathom gale]

the market probably shut itself down after seeing how dog shit the mythic prices have goten

(or it unironicaly got overloaded with too many items(mythics) and broke)

[teal radish]

sounds plausible lmao

[peak willow]

fix shadestepper

please i beg you

[bright sage]

i cant believe trhey dropped h otfix 3 without any mythic rate nerfs like no shot

[fathom gale]

THe MaRKet PriCEs WiLL GeT baCk tO noRmaL eVenTuaLY jUsT GivE IT sOme TImE

(someone unironicaly said that iirc)

[bright sage]

MULTIPLE people have said that

[finite heart]

If you give it enough time current prices will become normal prices

[fathom gale]

🔥

[bright sage]

thats so fire 🔥 🔥 💯

[teal radish]

pog emoji

[fathom gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101685631211540510/1115869531387199579/1059003175937519646.gif

[young ore]

Nope

[fathom gale]

yes

[unreal robin]

Marq I think I’ve gotten a mythic every day for 6-7 day in a row now

[modern pier]

Buff lootruns anyways!

[half pike]

lucky

[fathom gale]

if anything he is unlucky lmao

cough

[fathom gale]

or he just doesnt lootrun more than 2-3 hours a day which is reasonable

[eager locust]

i feel like people quit without saying anything so no one knows why, but ive stopped playing wynn because the idea of "here have some free items" (but everything becoming worthless) just doesn't sound fun to me, and lootruns are hopelessly boring (running same area on repeat over and over, vs running the whole map in the past)

Not sure if 1 single voice makes the difference, maybe it was pointless to share

[fathom gale]

well a lot of people have been saying things

but at the same time it doesnt feel like any of the feedback is actualy taken into consideration soo yeah

[young ore]

Wynncraft

[fathom gale]

#1 mmorpg

[young ore]

guys the CT are more transparent now than ever before

:D

[teal radish]

The CT are so transparent, they told us that festival of the bonfire starts today!

[fathom gale]

(they didnt)

people figured it out from the resource pack update iirc

[teal radish]

2 days notice so kind of them!

festival of the bonfire, what we’ve all been asking for

[fathom gale]

thats salted not the CT

[teal radish]

true

[fathom gale]

i dont think its even the CT's job to announce these thinfs anyway

[teal radish]

salted is less transparent then the CT sometimes tho

which is odd cuz he has the ultimate say in what happens

[teal radish]

ye ik

[ocean peak]

Is this an actual chest someone got

[fathom gale]

yes

[ocean peak]

What the hell

[fathom gale]

like yesterday

[unreal robin]

Maybe copium but I feel like they shadow buffed mythic rates

[subtle prairie]

mid

[fathom gale]

ok but thats before the mythic rate nerfs 💤

[ocean peak]

I think you should’ve rerolled

[void nova]

I want the little one pet

[teal radish]

lol yeah that’d be cool

maybe with spirits?

[void nova]

Nah just the TNA little one as a pet

[teal radish]

yeah I mean with spirits festival

would fit that one the best

[void nova]

I just want one to scare people during the TNA boss fight

[teal radish]

lol yeah thatd be funny

[sleek valley]

it is copium

[sleek valley]

what . what are you complaining about here. this is the time before events that festival announcements have always happened

[unreal robin]

Lex, are only 6 skins being added? The dragon head looks cool imo

[trim elbow]

there's way more than 6 new skins

[teal radish]

idk

[sleek valley]

????

ok

[teal radish]

im deranged

[unreal robin]

On the forum post I only saw the 6, where do I see the others?

[trim elbow]

what forums post

[unreal robin]

The announcement

[hollow oak]

wrong link oops
its in forums

u can find the others in game or by looking into th resource pack probasbly

[trim elbow]

oh lmfao

[hollow oak]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/festival-of-the-bonfire-30-free-bonfire-crates.309875/#post-3619302

[trim elbow]

those are only a small subset of the new godly skins

[unreal robin]

Where do I see the others? On mobile rn

[hollow oak]

🫃

[trim elbow]

there's like
15-20? new weapon skins and a number of hats

[fallen mauve]

wynncraft players when not every conceiveable change is meticulously catalogued and announced 6 weeks in advance:

[silver siren]

At the time it seemed like an overreaction to freak out about mythic prices since the update literally just dropped but after a while yea it isn’t going back lmao

[little olive]

someone sent most of them here

[fathom gale]

yeah i also thought its fine at first but then it wasnt

[void nova]

Is that dragon head a skin or pet?

[little olive]

nvm all got deleted lmao

[silver siren]

Just like all the evidence of what I did in 2004

[marble comet]

Skin

[unreal robin]

Oh those old pictures I remember seeing them ty!

[void nova]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-thumbs-down-i-dont-think-so-gif-16021541

[marble comet]

Yeah I wanted the shadowfel dragonling pet too

[void nova]

That cosmetic in a nutshell: Scalie bait

I wanted another dragonling and or a floating Greg skull trophy pet or little one pet

[trim elbow]

@ selvut why do invading toxins in that which coalesced deal like 4x the dmg of other lootrun mobs

[little olive]

[hollow oak]

speed go brr

[carmine stratus]

isn't that literally worse than archer speed?

[tropic ginkgo]

me when speed surge

[sleek valley]

the idea is youd want to use this over speed surge bc of the damage boost

[alpine forum]

our damage through the roof with these, +90 air damage? warp is going to have to be nerfed again

these are acutally really nice for repeat playthroughs since they are a reusable speed surge.

[sleek valley]

not reusable

[little olive]

they arent resuable

[alpine forum]

I take back what I just said throw these in the trash

[little olive]

otherwise they would actually be good lol

[silver siren]

Lmao

[alpine forum]

why are these consumables but rune of accel is permanent?

[little olive]

because rune of accell is bad

and you cant stack it with some other trtinkets

[sleek valley]

these also dont have a cooldown

so when one runs out you can pop another instantly

[alpine forum]

its going to be a chore to acutally gather a decent amount of these though

[sleek valley]

yeah might end up dropping the cost

[alpine forum]

like you would want like a bank page or 2 full to last a year, like at that point just use rune of accel or speed surge

[unreal robin]

Do they stack to 64? And will they just turn to speed 1 when the festivals is over?

[sleek valley]

yes and no

these wont be nerfed outside festivals because theyre consumable

[silver siren]

Gathering festival specific consus has always been a pain in any game, especially when they are good

[unreal robin]

Welp I know what I’m wasting a bank page on

[half pike]

why not both?

[sleek valley]

well

they both give speed 2

so speed surge is inherently worse functionally since these have an additional effect

[half pike]

interesting

[half pike]

funny thing i found

[tropic ginkgo]

what's being highlighted

the roll you got or the fact that it just rolls it for you automatically

[half pike]

the fact the the unidentified blur

is identified

[hollow oak]

yeah its been goofy like that for the longest time

[trim elbow]

^ item bombs have been like that since like before 2017

[unreal robin]

Lowkey miss old items bombs that would just spew them everywhere instead of only gives 2 items to the entire world

[little olive]

i just did a vyellow at the nonexistence destroy thing and didnt even get a reward chest

[teal radish]

whaaaaa

I could've sworn item bombs didnt say unidentified

[trim elbow]

ok

[teal radish]

guess im going crazy

literally never noticed that

[teal radish]

is that one fixed yet

in terms of the mobs

[little olive]

its supposed to spawn mobs?

[unreal robin]

Yes it’s suppose to spawn mobs but doesn’t currently

[unreal robin]

^

[trim elbow]

it hasn't been fixed no

and neither has the Soulful puppet which keeps bugging me

[soft thicket]

shadowpatch just dropped

they removed the eye cheese from the books thing

possibly more

[unreal robin]

YAY MORE SHADOW PATCHES!!! MAKE PLAYERS HAVE TO RANDOMLY FIGURE OUT EVEN MORE CHANGES

I love communication

[ocean peak]

the response to negative barrier feedback was to add more barriers

amazing

[half pike]

real

smartest admin decision

[little olive]

they changed stuff but they didnt remove barriers lmao

[tame magnet]

found a new spot already

[teal radish]

huh? doesnt seem like theres any barriers on the tree

[soft thicket]

they moved an eye there

it was a single eye there that you could stand on consistently

[teal radish]

oh, thats just cuz prof trees change rotation every patch

[soft thicket]

bruh

still means there was a patch

[little olive]

for some reason i got disconnected, couldnt log in for 15 minutes( website said i was online) and my ability tree was also reset from decimator downwards, anyoe has an idea why?

[unreal robin]

bro nothing like them shadow patching more barrioirs but still not fixing rainbow killing aqua stacking

[teal radish]

barriers were not shadow patched

[teal radish]

^

[soft thicket]

thats intended

aqua stacking through rainbows was obviously a bug given how they removed every other method to stack aqua past 2

[unreal robin]

no they were suppose to stop being asble to spawn aqua after getting rainbow not deleting the 2 aquas in general

[teal radish]

agreed, it should still keep the stack, just make no aqua appear after a rainbow

[unreal robin]

that not how it works currewblkt it justr deletes the awua

[teal radish]

yeah ik, im agreeing with u

[half pike]

that being said how would aquas even work with rainbows

[tame magnet]

they didnt >:)

[soft thicket]

?

[tame magnet]

theres still a way

[soft thicket]

Amazing

Anyways today I learned yellow persists to the next challenge if you do a yellow on a spelunk

[half pike]

i did yellow on my last mission

with double aqua (other option was green)

[soft thicket]

Tragic

[half pike]

it didnt give me reward sadly

[soft thicket]

I have my guess as to how to stack aquas past 2 so I’ll test it tomorrow

[half pike]

yo guys any ability tree shadowpatch

people are having bugs with sharpshooter

[jovial schooner]

i think the mythic rates should be nerfed around 5x what they are now

[teal radish]

eh I think maybe more like a third would be good

but yeah they definitely still need a nerf

[raven bramble]

I mean, if Mythic rates get nerfed shouldn't the LE get nerfed too?

[teal radish]

maybe

[raven bramble]

Because then you just BUY the Mythics, this would cause an overflow of even MORE emeralds into the economy

But if both are nerfed badly... What is the point of a LR?

[teal radish]

well mythics definitely need a nerf seeing as mythics are basically guaranteed with like 2k effective pulls (180 pull 10 rr run), and some people have gotten 3 mythics in one roll

[raven bramble]

If the problem is multiple mythics in one roll, then cap Mythics at 1.

[teal radish]

that’s just a side effect of the problem

mythics being way too common

[raven bramble]

It's gonna happen eventually.

Have you never seen an MMORPG? Last long enough, the super rare items are no longer super rare.

But if the general problem is that Mythics are too common, would you prefer the Mythic rates to be so low in LRs, that the only thing people are gonna RR for is LE, so that they can, again, purchase the Mythics and cause a huge demand for Mythics that we possibly can't catch up with?

Granted take this with a grain of salt as this is putting it simply, speculation. There's a bit of a problem, although as someone who rarely was able to get mythics due to job and other things, it's quite nice to receive one after doing a few hours worth of LRing.

[teal radish]

There’s a middle ground here LOL

Mythics are currently so common that there’s WAY more supply than there is demand.

[fathom gale]

Maybe but for anyone that lootruns more often it's getting to the point where finding a mythic isn't exciting anymore

[teal radish]

^

(although part of that is that they aren’t purple boxes lol)

[raven bramble]

Oh no, that feeling is 100% an MMORPG feel.

Something was super rare, but as time went on, you got more of it and the feeling is kinda... gone.

[fathom gale]

I'm almost getting more excited finding a Capricorn in a chest at this point 😂

Yeah but 2.0.3 made it happen way too drastically

[raven bramble]

But also, if the rates are too low, people wouldn't see the appeal of LRing and just do something else instead.

At least, average people

[fathom gale]

Not if the devs weren't ACTIVELY trying to make lootruning unfun

[teal radish]

It’s not about the amount. I had around 45 mythics found when 2.0.3 came out, and when doing old lootrunning before that, even in the 40s, I still got excited when finding mythics because they were ACTUALLY rare.

[fathom gale]

If they instead worked in making it more fun and reducing mythic rates then people would still lootrun even with lower rates

[raven bramble]

How would you make it fun then?

[fathom gale]

But instead they keep mythic rates and keep making it less and less fun with each hotfix

[raven bramble]

You say if they made it more fun. But how would YOU want it to be fun?

How would it make it exciting?

[teal radish]

3 base beacon options is one suggestion that’s been thrown around a lot

less reliance on orange beacon and therefore more god runs

[fathom gale]

Well for starters if they didn't keep making hotfixes to force you to play only a certain way as if this is a turn based rpg

Rainbow voiding aqua stacks... And yeah one more beacon choice for gm

And possibly not having barriers cover the entirety of the silent expanse

[raven bramble]

So you want depth

I'll be honest, I've yet to hit a barrier... prob cause warrior

[teal radish]

curses being a bit too strong (mainly resistance) to the point that taking purples is a terrible idea early on

[fathom gale]

Mage issue I guess

[raven bramble]

Mages need a good kick imo

[fathom gale]

I've died twice and almost died 7 times

[teal radish]

not idol warrior then

[raven bramble]

Nope

[fathom gale]

Due to the barriers making me fall and break my feet

[teal radish]

idol warrior is pain with barriers

[ocean peak]

barriers make me want to actually kill myself on shaman

[teal radish]

ugh yeah shaman too

[fathom gale]

Atleast warrior doesn't suffer the risk of dying as much as mage since you can keep casting charge

[teal radish]

yeah

[fathom gale]

Meanwhile mage when a block is in your face: there is no room for teleport bozo just die

[raven bramble]

I feel bad for Rogues trying to get place to place

[teal radish]

ALLOW HORSES PLZ

[raven bramble]

YES

WHY ARE THEY EVEN DISABLED?!

[teal radish]

horses when they exist but are disabled in the content they’re most useful in 💀

[fathom gale]

According to salted dthry are too op (compared to warp and idol? Idfk)

[raven bramble]

...I...

I refuse to believe horses are that strong compared to the more acrobatic classes

[teal radish]

here

[raven bramble]

Whaaaaaaaaaa

[fathom gale]

Me omw to skip all terrain with teleports

[teal radish]

yeah like warp or idol don’t skip everything

[raven bramble]

Me omw to skip the puzzle just by charging

[teal radish]

literally easier to skip everything on warp/idol cuz you can fly

horses can’t even fly

[raven bramble]

Heck, I don't even need an Idol, just good timing with Monk

[teal radish]

true

[raven bramble]

WS doesn't affect horses right?

[teal radish]

no

[raven bramble]

Tfw you have a 50% bonus WS or just a lot of WS Boons cause you were forced into them

[teal radish]

love when I have to pick between walk speed and walk speed on monk

[raven bramble]

Had 5 boons once... 3 of them were WS boons, the other 2 were Loot Quality and Loot Bonus

[teal radish]

oof

[raven bramble]

Btw it was a 7 Boon Blue Beacons

Only showed 5 because of course

[teal radish]

yea that’s silly

aqua should like buff the boons themselves or something

tho vibrant blue might be a bit OP

[raven bramble]

Aqua Beacons should allow you to choose multiple boons

capping at 2 or 3 buffs at a time

[teal radish]

that would still make it limited

[raven bramble]

Wait is Blue limited now?

[teal radish]

no

[raven bramble]

Oh for a second I thought it was

[teal radish]

I mean if the max is 3 boons at once, aqua aqua blue would have the same effect as vaqua vaqua vblue

[raven bramble]

Hm... Do you have any suggestions then?

I just want to avoid having the same buff but under different circumstances multiple times in a single boon... Looking at you Walk Spped and the Loot trinity

[teal radish]

honestly they should just remove LQ/LB boons and make yellow beacon give those

[raven bramble]

I wanted to say have Yellow beacons increase the quality of loot for the final chest, but that would just... be bad

[teal radish]

yea

[fathom gale]

i like LQ /LB boons

having 500% lb at challenge 100 is fun

[raven bramble]

I just get really unlucky consistently with my boons and curses

[teal radish]

yeah I’m saying u could get perma lb from yellow beacon instead

[fathom gale]

ok but would you ever go out of your way to pick yellow

[raven bramble]

It'd give yellow something

And it'd remove a thing clogging up boons

[teal radish]

yeah, taking blue every time is not really necessary

[hard heron]

it seems to me that loot runs are mostly weighted towards people with the time and build to redo their lootruns until they get a god run with a ton of rerolls

the discrepancy is too high is what i mean

[fathom gale]

yeah thats what not having 3 beacon choices and orange becoming exponentialy rarer the more challenges you do does to a mf

[teal radish]

yeah restarting till u get god runs is the meta

[raven bramble]

Honestly getting a nice run is nice, but I can't spend too much time with Wynn simply because of my job and RL obligations

[hard heron]

^

[fathom gale]

on the bright side you can pause runs (the best thing that has happened in wynn ong)

[teal radish]

yup

[hard heron]

if mythic rates are as high as you guys claim they are, then nerfing them is fine. the problem is theres a huge discrepancy between the rates experienced by people who can get god runs and people who cant due to irl obligations

[teal radish]

yeah if mythic rates are nerfed the chance of god runs needs to be buffed along side it

[raven bramble]

Maybe after X challenges/runs your Mythic rates go up?

[teal radish]

the rates we’re complaining about are for god runs

[raven bramble]

Hm... actually that's not gonna help anyone except the people who just spam LR

[fathom gale]

god runs include short 20 minute runs tbf

[teal radish]

yeah that’s another problem

dark grey too powerful

[hard heron]

how do u guys even get 10 rr runs

[teal radish]

luck with rainbow and orange

then vaqua vaqua vgrey

[hard heron]

gray is 1 or 2, aqua is x2, x3 or x4

[fathom gale]

or extreme luck in general, ive goten 10 rr runs with 3 beacon choices

[hard heron]

how does vaqua vaqua vgrey give 10?

[teal radish]

vaqua triples the vgrey

2 tripled is 6, tripled again its 10

[hard heron]

huh?

[raven bramble]

Essentialy

[hard heron]

2 x3 x3 is 18

[fathom gale]

or rather vaqua adds the vgrey 2 more times + the base one so 2 (vib aqua) 2(vib aqua) and the 2 from the normal grey

[raven bramble]

2+4+4

[teal radish]

aquas don’t effect aquas

they just effect the next beacon that’s not aqua

[hard heron]

so they add

thats 2 x6 then

[fathom gale]

just like vibrant white goes from +10 to +50 cuz each vib aqua adds the +20 (2x the amount of the normal vib white)
if it was aqua into vib white then it would add 1x the amount of the vib white so 10+10+10 (if 2x normal aqua into vib white)

[hard heron]

ic

[raven bramble]

I feel like if Green Beacons are going to put things over the timer, they shouldn't be reset back down to 15 minutes.

[fathom gale]

they are specificaly for red beacons, if you use green while a red is runing then timer wont reset

[teal radish]

agreed

[fathom gale]

(also fun fact time based boons dont actualy cap to the number shown so you can have like 700-800% dmg from one boon )

[raven bramble]

I feel like Red affected Beacons should be put at the end of challenges, that way it's not just... awful

[fathom gale]

no the way it is right now is perfect cuz you can stagger them

if it was at the end you would be forced to use greens to live through all red beacons

[teal radish]

may as well let people use greens without a red active and stack up some decent time, then use reds

[hard heron]

do greys still stop appearing after like 10 challenges?

[teal radish]

no

[fathom gale]

nope, grey and dgrey are unlimited now

[hard heron]

oh nice

[jovial schooner]

yea they appear for unlimited time but you can only pick 1

also gray cant appear twice in a row

[raven bramble]

Reason why I say any of this is cause one run I was able to get 30 minutes on the clock, which is just super nice. But then the next time I got a challenge that gave me regular time, it went straight down to 15 minutes

[jovial schooner]

yea lowkey dont know why that happens they should just make it so you cant get more time off of normal challenges above 15m

[fathom gale]

well the thing is, you dont need those 3 0minutes unless you spamed like 16 reds

[teal radish]

yeah but it prevents you from getting greens before reds which is kinda silly

[raven bramble]

Even if I don't "need it", the problem is that the game actively dangles a possibility in front of you to just rip it away

Simply because: Hah you didn't read the invisible fine print!

[fathom gale]

yeah wynn is full with invisible fine prints

[teal radish]

also green is unlocked before red, making it completely useless until red is unlocked

[raven bramble]

^

[fathom gale]

we still dont even know how much rarer orange becomes the more challenges you do cuz its apperantly a top secret

[teal radish]

who thought that was a good idea lmao

[raven bramble]

That's rate, this is a mechanic that's not defined

Well actually scratch that, both are mechanics

I should reword that to:
The beacons aren't defined well

[teal radish]

beacon expert at silverbull HQ should give a better explanation

right now the most useful thing he says is that white beacon is capped at 1

[raven bramble]

This would require the dialogue to change every 3 days

[teal radish]

u think we get hot fixes every 3 days? lmao

that would be way too generous

[hard heron]

you realise that if this logic were applied to any other mechanic everyone would call you insane

imagine if they were working on atree and told you "we're not changing the in-game text because we'd have to change the text every 3 days"

[raven bramble]

That was a joke about the shadowchanges and how often they are

[hard heron]

tbh at this point i can't help but wonder if they depend on us players to report their changes to them so they can make a list

[teal radish]

lol

[raven bramble]

I would LOVE if they actually updated us on the changes. Even if it's a small text chat that we get, it'd be appreciated

[teal radish]

bug report but instead its feature report

[hard heron]

we should just do that tbh, if they wont make changelogs for us we'll just make them ourselves

[fathom gale]

looks like they did some changes to forlon librariy defense cheese lmao

i swear at the end of all this we'll either have even more barriers or every challenge zone will be a 9x9 where any ranged class that cant fly is just useless

[teal radish]

if u mean the tree changing, prof trees just do that every patch for some reason

[fathom gale]

oh?

[teal radish]

yeah lol

[fathom gale]

thats goofy

i just assumed they shrunk the zone even more

[trim elbow]

you can still cheese below the ledge tho

[woeful grail]

THATS WHAT IM SAYINN

[fathom gale]

no! figure it out yourself

they cant possibly reveal all this top secret area 51 level information

[half pike]

yo this spot sucks anyone know a place to make it easier

also can someone decrease void hole difficulty like yikes

[little olive]

you should be able to stand on some of the spikes

[little saffron]

barrier 🤯

[half pike]

salted really trying to get rid of all the fun in camps

[little olive]

there werent barriers yesterday (black spikes

[fathom gale]

yeah black spikes are still usable

[little saffron]

soon enought fruma will bring barriers

[fathom gale]

soon eough challenge zones will be 6x6 and mages will have to learn to fly and shoot meteors at the same time (so literealy only warp will be viable)

[little saffron]

riftwalker but tp-meteor not snake-meteor

[fathom gale]

you cant rly stack winded if you have to fly all the time

besides riftwalker has always been ass for lootruning

[little saffron]

arcanist chaos explosion copy tp 💀

[fathom gale]

[little saffron]

threw in tna bc that for a few time 💀

[fathom gale]

shit i didnt account for the mobs to use cheese spots on me

[half pike]

well thats exemplar its annoying always

[soft thicket]

Exemplar is funny like that sometimes

It rarely just like jumps up to where you are

[half pike]

exemplar doesnt even have that great cheese spots

the one there isnt great for archer

im gonna be real i think i left exemplar alive most of the times ive done it cuz its that annoying

[soft thicket]

my theory on stacking aquas was wrong

[fathom gale]

?

[soft thicket]

@fathom gale supposedly this guy knows a way to stack aquas past two still

[fathom gale]

there is but im pretty sure that would be considered actual bug abuse

[soft thicket]

?

[fathom gale]

so i wouldnt try to do it if i were you

[soft thicket]

fair enough

[half pike]

hello chat
bone monstrosity is a sick boss
the rest sucks but like thats great (void hole)

also i got orange first and vibrant red second this is great

vibrant orange third! also why did vibrant red leave me higher time huh

blue/gray/yellow/green/aqua for fourth lul

and lost on time cuz orange and aqua didnt give time

ew 1.19.4 has fade to black when opening reward chest please fix

[void nova]

Exemplar: up yours 🖕

[fathom gale]

Bro fr pulled the uno reverse card on me and forced me to get down

[fathom gale]

it honestly amazes me how bone monstrosity wave 4 mobs are capable of hiting for over 18000 ehp (no agi) with a single attack at challenge 7 with 0 curses

meanwhile the wave 5 bone monstrosity iself is a complete joke

[teal radish]

yeah

It doesn’t even have CCI so I can just continuously bounce it on top of me with uppercut and war scream lol

[cunning verge]

we did

like 5 days in advance

[half pike]

(2)

[pseudo path]

can i afk on those NOT DURING LR?

most smart idea good job wynncraft

[little olive]

?

[vital raft]

Afking is bad it wastes player slots!!!!

[little olive]

If you want to afk just class

[pseudo path]

Good idea during prof

[light pivot]

why would u afk outside /class during lootrun anyway

[little olive]

What prof?

[pseudo path]

Its doesn't matter where i want to afk why tf there is barriers outside of lootrun

Even for lr barriers is goofy thing, but its another lore

[light pivot]

the barriers are really annoying

especially the ones for the challenge in the gate where there are barriers up to what i assume is block limit

not knowing they are there and running into them is annoying i didnt know cuz i lootran a grand amount of twice or even once this week

[half pike]

are aquas and purples supposed to give time

cuz they certainly didnt seem to for me

[hollow oak]

red challenge prob?

[ocean mason]

We get shadowfixes almost daily

[candid prawn]

If you are doing challenges given by a red beacon none of them will give extra time

[fathom gale]

2.0.3 got me like (it took over 20 hours for this to sell 😂)

im honestly questioning why they purchased it in the first place

[hollow oak]

wtf

[fathom gale]

btw am i triping or did SE lootrun mob base damage got increased? i keep geting absolutely destroyed the last 2 days with 0 curses and under challenge 15

[woeful grail]

Well
If we had changelogs you would know
But admins prefer shadowpatches

[fathom gale]

real

[trim elbow]

just ping selvut to ask

I haven't rly noticed any difference tho

[glad ermine]

it seems to be the case

i take more damage for sure

[silver siren]

SE mobs don’t do more damage it’s just that defense got shadownerfed

[fathom gale]

real

[finite heart]

Wdym shadownerfed

It was removed. All defense does now is fullfill skill point reqs

[fathom gale]

or maybe they shadow buffed mobs to deal true damage

[modern pier]

Huh? Is defense nerfed?

[fathom gale]

i find it hard to believe but at the same time everything is hiting like a truck all of a suden

[little olive]

agi ehp moment

[fathom gale]

I have like 19k non agi ehp and there are still things that literally one shot me before challenge 10 with no curses

[little olive]

the only place i get "oneshot" is the one defend objective (the one thats close to place coalesced)

and i think thats just because the mobs combo me too hard

[little olive]

ok, this kinda just happened again: i logged on today and for whatever reason my atree got disconnected from initiator (one higher up)
and i was in the middle of a lootrun

unrelated, but i also got a challenge reward chest with just 17 e

[little saffron]

the only place i get ~1 shot is toxic cave slime

[little olive]

the place coalesced?

[little saffron]

yes

[soft thicket]

Yes it did

Not sure by how much but it definitely was

I get one shot at the defend near symposium more than I would like, and also void hole arena obviously

[fathom gale]

nah man yesterday the ghast just looked at me funy and i droped dead (was full hp with 19k non agi ehp and 50-55k agi ehp) on challenge 8 with 0 curses

he didnt even charge and there were no other mobs.. bro just looked in my direction and i droped dead

[soft thicket]

I love void hole arena wave 4

Genuinely that wave alone is harder than every other challenge (except for loot symposium defend) combined

[fathom gale]

loot symposium deffend isnt thaat bad, its just anoying

[soft thicket]

I get one shot by the mobs there a lot

Though my build is like 30k ehp without agi

[modern pier]

Those spider things needs their legs chopped off

Theyre so cracked

[fathom gale]

meh the spiders are fine, its the ghast and the black charging things that have the weirdest AI in the game and are absurdly unpredictable and just 1shot you that get me

[soft thicket]

I am the world’s #1 spindly spider hater

[modern pier]

I really only find the spiders to be annoying

[fathom gale]

atleast the spiders AI is predictable

[soft thicket]

Fair enough

But also they are absurdly fast for no reason and the only ones it’s hard to camp across the arena from

[fathom gale]

what class do you use larree?

[soft thicket]

Mage

[fathom gale]

warp or no warp?

[soft thicket]

I use the rawfish fatal build but I don’t have crabs so I substitute in epilogue

[fathom gale]

ah that garbage build, no wonder ur dying to spiders

[soft thicket]

Warp is way out of my budget

[fathom gale]

you can just run fatal with positive walk speed so you can kite the spiders

[devout skiff]

slayer old keepers ring

[soft thicket]

Gotta sell my unid strati so I can afford something good

It will literally double my raw le

[half pike]

wtf

why doesnt it say that

[teal radish]

it says that the added challenges don’t give time

It just doesn’t say that the challenges are added right in front of you

[half pike]

no it says that the red challenge doesnt give time

at least thats how i read the blurb

i think my videos with red in them failed to record hold on

ok looking it up is boring

[teal radish]

yes, the added challenges, lol

did you think that just the challenge that red beacon is on didn’t give time?

[half pike]

yeah cuz thats what it says

lul

[teal radish]

It says this

+2 Challenges to this lootrun; gain no Time Bonus for completing them

what about this suggests that the challenge the beacon is on gives no time?

“them” is obviously referring to the challenges lol

[half pike]

interesting

never read it that way before

[teal radish]

bruh

[modern pier]

Not everyone can interpret a sentence correctly, it happens

No need to laugh in the poor boy's face!

[carmine stratus]

Will say though it should probably tell you that it's the next 2 challenges

Since i assumed itd be the final ones

[teal radish]

yeah they could probably be more clear about that

[half pike]

chests have more health pots which is sick

dunno which shadowpatch added that (or maybe it was hotfix 3)

[unreal robin]

Honestly I haven’t seen anyone talk about this and it kinda scares me. I’ve been collecting mythics so fast recently I’m wondering how I’ll feel once I’ve collected them all( I don’t see that taking longer than 3ish months) I feel like I’ll immediately lose all interest playing the game. I’m not sure how to deal with this besides 2 bandaid solutions, release a crap ton more mythics like 2x or 3x the amount of current mythics and have item team just constantly pushing out new ones. Or nerf the shit out of mythic rates. Idk I’m just worried about how I’ll feel a month from now if there aren’t any changes

[half pike]

is hunting for mythics all you have to do

idk but id rather have fun

[fathom gale]

thats exactly the problem

people that enjoy f inding mythics dont have fun anymore cuz mythics are way too common

[half pike]

interesting

idk why people wouldnt enjoy finding mythics like ig if they are rich

i enjoy finding mythics cuz that means i make bank (i just got 5 stx off of a hero)