2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[unreal robin]

Ahhhhhhh, ty for shaman fixes but god I’m scared lr is gonna feel even more shitty

[light silo]

i still think horses should be allowed in interludes smh

[unreal robin]

Like exponentially way more shitty than before for majority of classes

[light silo]

i remeber seeing some dude make a post about that, and i agree

[unreal robin]

Agree

Also not to nit pick, but like why does a thing like macros be able to be fixed SO FAST but other stuff takes such a long time before it feels like it’s addressed. Like people have been begging for 3 beacon options at the start now for way long than the macro problem has even been know (as far as I’m aware) to me it’s hyper frustrating to see changes like that while changes players are actually begging for are still being neglected (to our knowledge)

[light silo]

i mean it's fair for exploits to be high-priority. and balance stuff are a lot more complicated than most players think.

but i understand the frustration. i also think 3 beacon options for gm is nice

i love using my rerolls and keep getting yellow and green

[fathom gale]

Very based for killing abusable macros but at the same time more barriers cringe af

As if there isn't an obnoxious amount of barriers as it is

Soon enough we will have barriers in every zone that prevent you from going to the other zone unless you follow the actual manmade paths istg

I can't wait to hit my head 10 times more often and fall to my death without realizing cuz there are barriers everywhere now

And you gotta love how that anti cheese "system" only works against half the classes, meanwhile warrior and assassin just helicoptering about in complete safety anyway

[unreal robin]

Fr thank god I was making a build for warrior

[ember umbra]

it does say its to prevent abusable invincible spots which is a good thing

[ocean forge]

no, 30cps autoclicker does not working now

[ember umbra]

but if its just blocking off more sky paths i stg why

[ocean forge]

i can even chargespam properly

ah youre talking about other shit, nvm

[trim elbow]

boltslinger can too

[ember umbra]

i mean tho a guy with macros can easily get at least x10 more damage and mobility with much less effort so it is a high priority thing

x10 might be a way too small number actually

[trim elbow]

^ macros are an abusable bug and 2 beacon options isn't lol
also the "everyone begging for 3 beacon options" thing is just confirmation bias

[unreal robin]

I think it’s reasonable to say a lot of people actively lr want it

[fathom gale]

yes but it literaly only harms half the classes while warrior and assasin can just helicopter into safety

[unreal robin]

Rip shaman even more

[stable pecan]

To be honest I'd almost want a different way to have beacons displayed in chat
the way it is right now, even though it looks nice, I have to manually open chat to be able to read all of them most of the time if there's any more than 2

[fathom gale]

next hotfix they proly gona reduce the radius of the zones to harm mage shaman and archer even more while warrior and assasin are perfectly fine

[fathom gale]

artemis can do that for you

[stable pecan]

not doing it

[fathom gale]

wdym

[unreal robin]

Ya kinda a wynntils type of thing sadly

[stable pecan]

some part of me absolutely refuses to use any qol mods for gameplay

[hard heron]

"Tweaked loot chest drop rates to be less overwhelming in the early game" i sincerely hope this is a typo

[fathom gale]

well then dont ask for QOL's

[hard heron]

arent low level chests already empty enough as is?

[stable pecan]

quality of life is

[fathom gale]

LMAO YEAH i forgot about that part istg they must be smokin weed while making these hotfixes

[unreal robin]

I wonder if they just mean less legendary in lvl 10-30 areas

[stable pecan]

also, did they not fix Gateway To Nothings destroy objective?

[fathom gale]

idk but the end goal is certainly less fun

as its always been

[hard heron]

if they want to nerf anything they should be changing the low level chest ingredient weighting

new players aren't gonna be crafting gear

[stable pecan]

my 6 spider fang spear I made at the start of my warrior playthrough:

[quick summit]

Wait a sec

[devout skiff]

poison early game mmmmmmmmmm

[quick summit]

THAT THING HEAT SEEKED ON YOU!?

Or am I misinterpreting this

[fathom gale]

sounds about right

[stable pecan]

for some reason
yes
they gave it homing

[trim elbow]

I don't lol, most of the people that actively lr aren't in these channels

[devout skiff]

so THATS why i cant dodge it even with 170 ws and windy feet

[fathom gale]

and then they proceed to say that corkus mobs arent overtuned lol

[quick summit]

Wow no wonder that boss was a complete nightmare if you had to fight it
Thankfully I'm archer so I could just point and laugh at the boss on the ledge

Also the telegraphs are now "more fair"

[stable pecan]

"The Animation Totem, though face inable to move, smirks in spirit, as it activates it's special ability: 'Cast 28 explosions on every spot in the general area.'"

[quick summit]

So you level up faster there, but level up slower early game
Eh

[vast cairn]

So what did they do with barriers exactly, where are they added

[fathom gale]

more barriers! BARRIERS EVERYWHERE! (thats my guess)

[vast cairn]

Oh boy I hope my cheese spots still work!!

[fathom gale]

you know they love slaping barriers everywhere senselessly afterall

[quick summit]

Also this doesn't say anything about Corkus

Corkus Chads unite

[unreal robin]

I’m gonna cry if it’s as bad as I think. Bro that one eye tree challange is probably just a massive cube around the entire thing mostly likely

[vast cairn]

At least they nerfed animation totem root (why did it have homing)

[quick summit]

Because someone on the ct likes rose from weeds against corpses garden wars 2

[fathom gale]

the sluge locus as well...

[quick summit]

Or something I dunno

[vast cairn]

Idk how you would even fight against it if you can’t fly 😂

[quick summit]

Simple
You cheese the boss

[unreal robin]

Bru I’m gonna Kermit I swear omfg

Don’t worry they’ll remove the cheese from corkus next….

[trim elbow]

it is as bad as you think (cry about it)

[fathom gale]

you cheese it if you play warrior/assasin, otherwise salted slaps you across the face and tells you to go fight the boss face to face

[quick summit]

I felt bad for cheesing the boss before since I didn't know how the boss worked
But now that I know that the boss was just garbage design I have no remorse for it

[unreal robin]

Ya lmao let’s make every class besides warrior face to face

[fathom gale]

imagine the classes with the highest base defense are allowed to COMPLETELY ignore damage, while the classes with the lowest base defense are forced to fight grounded next to the mobs

[vast cairn]

How are we gonna kite anything when they have bullshit abilities and surrounded by barriers

[unreal robin]

Like how tf do the expect archer and mage gameplay when every objective is melee in your face and if you get distance it just bounces you back into all the mobs

[trim elbow]

bolt can also cheese
so can acro
shaman is shaman

[fathom gale]

wait srsly bolt can fly ?

[vast cairn]

Yea

[trim elbow]

yes??

[quick summit]

See if the totem was an SE mob I would agree
Unfortunately

[trim elbow]

it's been able to fly since the start of 2.0 lmfao

[unreal robin]

Bruh wants to act like spamming arrow storm to stay in the air is gonna be viable

[fathom gale]

ive never touched archer in 2.0 so i wouldnt know

i still have a 1.20 divzer demon tide build on my archer lol

[ember umbra]

ive only lootran se so far but there is a beacon area i just ignore completely no matter what it is

the mob on top of the big rock near the church

for the love of god this thing is way too tanky

[quick summit]

I do not know what that is since I haven't done a single SE Run
I only know that the bone boi is funny or something

[fathom gale]

huh thats a destroy challenge, they are meant to be tanky since they dont fight back

[ember umbra]

and if the adds pile up i cant even tank it on a 250k ehp guard build

[hard heron]

i guess its time to just run corkus instead

[ember umbra]

boreal guard too

[fathom gale]

you see people either abuse the tree for high ground or just fly around with warrior/assasin and apperantly archer and never take any damage

and guard cant rly fly, you need idol or probably hero gsight build for that

[ember umbra]

yeah

ive only done lootruns with warrior and mage so far

[quick summit]

Shrimply go FA Guardian
Its a tank weapon you may aswell

[trim elbow]

a. it is viable
b. it's been viable
c. lmfao

[ember umbra]

personally i just decide to ignore it completely and do something else

[quick summit]

Anyways how significant are these buffs

[ember umbra]

i just dont think its worth the effort

[quick summit]

Too lazy to get on

[fathom gale]

that challenge was always one of my favorites but if i can no longer use the tree il have to skip it as well if im not stacked up on boons 😂

[ocean forge]

only useful to riftbender/arcanist quetzalcoatl users

[fathom gale]

huh no its usefull to anyone with a tierdrop in their build

idk if its better than hpr but yeah

hopefully you wont be getting 200 life steal from 8 curse boon anymore (number is madeup as i dont ermember how much they gave)

[vast cairn]

Maybe shaman is gonna be decent since it can kill the other mobs easily

[ember umbra]

maybe i should try lootrunning on my poison shaman

[vast cairn]

Poison gg

[ember umbra]

i dont see it going well but it could be interesting lol

[trim elbow]

doesn't make up for its awful mobility

[ember umbra]

pretty easy to fly with acolyte shaman tho tbh

[fathom gale]

i wish i wasnt right tho

[ember umbra]

but i dont have enough mr on my poison build nor do i even play acolyte so

[fathom gale]

and mythics keep getting more and more common which also makes lootruning less fun, this is just amazing

[vast cairn]

You probably need to build defense with the cheese spots gone as mage, you will just die otherwise

[fathom gale]

surely my 34 defense warp build will suffice right...

[vast cairn]

At least Olympic has jump so you can dodge stuff

[ember umbra]

i do like mythics getting a bit more common but this is just way too common

[fathom gale]

its way too common.. there is no joy in finding a mythic anymore

[ember umbra]

and prices arent even dropping for the really desirable ones like idol

[vast cairn]

They making lootruns harder why nerf rates now 💀 also they should increase the playable area of challenges

[fathom gale]

its just "oh hey another worthelss mythic yay..."

at this point id rather take 20 LE

[vast cairn]

I have no space to kite anything like bro

[trim elbow]

boons

people who complain about challenges being too hard but don't get boons are so funny to me

[vast cairn]

Yeah I guess you have to get defense boons early (more rng)

[fathom gale]

but it was so funny surviving 8 curses at challenge 20 without any boons 😭

no more funny

[quick summit]

Make it so Epoch is in every mythic pool from now on
(I don't even like Epoch I just want it to crash and burn like it deserves)

[fathom gale]

unless you are a helicopter class, then you can still have fun cuz salted loves those 3 classes i guess

[vast cairn]

They should have just gave us more space to kite mobs… like the respirator defend objective challenge has no space for you

[hard heron]

defend challenges in general need to be way clearer what it is you're defending

[fathom gale]

what are you saying you dont like being in a 10x10 zone stuck with 20 mobs on a class with 60% base defense and no moblility? no way

[vast cairn]

Yes 😭

[hard heron]

it took me like 5 takes probably before i realised that the se defend near church is a literal stack of books

[vast cairn]

And they have pull spells (why)

[fathom gale]

idk they decided to make 50% of the SE mobs jedais and use the force

(forgive me if i spelled jedais wrong im not a starwars fan)

[trim elbow]

jedis

[trim elbow]

try 40 curses at challenge 50

[fathom gale]

only doable with salted's favorite classes + insane mental endurance since u gota spend like 4 minutes per challenge

[trim elbow]

not if you only get 1 res curse

[fathom gale]

ok but imagine getting that lucky

least ive goten in 40 curses is 4 DR

[vast cairn]

Curses are not that bad once you stacked 90% DR

[fathom gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074033334310682717/1138721781587398656/2023-08-08_23-23-46.mp4 epic trollage

[viral prairie]

Why remove cheese spots…

[fathom gale]

cuz fuck mage and shaman in particular

[viral prairie]

Rip archers

[fathom gale]

archers can apperantly fly with arrowstorm somehow

[viral prairie]

I actually have to kite mobs

[vast cairn]

Non flying classes try to kite mobs in 10x10 space challenge

[versed saffron]

fix yo shiz

[sand bloom]

lol no revert this update now

i noticed this too in TCC. something with the spell cast is bugged asf. now i cast only 1 spell every half second compared to before when i could castl ike 5-7 in 1 second

[bronze prism]

it takes 1 tick to input a spell click since the game runs 20 ticks per second, so the absolute max you could do is 6 spells per second and the first two clicks of a seventh, cause 20/3=6.666~

[fathom gale]

ah first lootrun and im alredy getting FUCKED by all the random ass barriers placed in every god damn tree around challenges..

[vast cairn]

no movement allowed near objects

[fathom gale]

ya'll should just grab a world edit axe, select 2 corners to cover the entire wynn map and do //replace air barriers or whatever the command is and then just manualy carve 2 wide or maybe 1 wide (cuz we dont deserve that much freedom) tunnels that lead from cities to the paths around them and to caves

[vast cairn]

Just create teleportation pads

[fathom gale]

just make wynn a turn based rpg

anyway who ate all my colors

[sand bloom]

What are those rings

[fathom gale]

facile

they didnt even fix most challenge cheeses, but they had to make sure the one thats in the middle of the map is covered in barriers to make traveling a nightmare...

absolutely amazing

[vast cairn]

💀

If they want to stop cheeses they will need to add a 5 block height limit

If you hit it you will be rooted to the ground for 5 seconds!

[fathom gale]

the reject grove has barriers all the way to the build limit i think..

[vast cairn]

[vast cairn]

Oh so you literally can’t travel above any tree??

[fathom gale]

atleast around reject grove (which is in the fucking middle of the map)

[hybrid frigate]

They definitely don't have the capability to only enable anti cheese barriers in relevant challenges

[fathom gale]

anti cheese thats super class biased as well..

[sand bloom]

True!!! Warrior was arguably the only one that couldnt use the cheese and even the uppersurf exists so this is just boosting warrior even higher

[hybrid frigate]

Same with (i assume) ajb sequence break barriers that make SE a maze
its not like ajf has parts where you get teleported if you stray too far off path instead of shitting all over with barriers

[sand bloom]

Maybe shaman bc its hsrder for him to get in the tree but he still can.

[fathom gale]

warrior assasin and supposedly archer dont need to cheese cuz they can just transform into attack helicopters

mage and shaman can just go cope in a corner while salted tells them that they cant make use of their ranged abilities cuz its too op

[sand bloom]

Literally lol. Shaman should just be left in the dirt at this point if this was meant as a buff to him

[ocean forge]

excuse me?

[fathom gale]

while the other classes just go vrooom above the mobs

[ocean forge]

11.08.2023?

[fathom gale]

time travel

[sand bloom]

Literally pointless nerf to lr other than KINDA buffing shaman who arguably needed cheese more than any other class

[fathom gale]

you mean nerfing shaman?

cuz thats quite literaly a shaman and mage nerf no matter how you look at it

[sand bloom]

Oh wow there ya go its just a nerf to lr in general nvm

[fathom gale]

no it doesnt rly affect salted's ffavorite trio (archer assasin warrior)

[sand bloom]

I forgot they needed to fix economy somehow nvm ill just go back to tna ig

[fathom gale]

but they arent fixing the economy one bit this way, its just making the game more frustrating to play

[sand bloom]

Annoying wonky barriers getting in the way of flying i sure do love that

[fathom gale]

even for traveling its more anoying for mage than it is for warrior, warrior can atleast cast charge even with a block up its face so you wont suddenly fall to your death

and warrior is more nimble while flying so u can easily avoid them

[sand bloom]

Man fuckin barriers in general just piss me off

[fathom gale]

who doesnt get pissed off by barriers.. its just the dumbest thing ever to exist in wynn

[sand bloom]

Why make a place that looks like you can sit then dont allow it? Just build the thing different then

Also can we fix TCC please

Both of the third encounters are shit, one is way too boring and slow and the other is stress inducing and harder than the boss

The platform holding in 2nd stage is buggy as SHIT

like so HORRIBLH buggy it boggles my mind. And boss third stage ALWAYS double tps u into his upcoming attacks

You have to literally run off the edge to avoid it which means u take 20% of ur health minimum

OR react fast enough with one of the few classescthan can do that with blindness

Archer goes off the edge often when avoiding the double tp, and shaman takes too long.

[candid prawn]

Bro which one

[ocean forge]

wait what

[fathom gale]

Wouldn't you like to know

[verbal seal]

"Tweaked loot chest drop rates to be less overwhelming in the early game"

[fathom gale]

😭

[candid prawn]

Ooo fancy musical bard hat

[candid prawn]

What

[marble comet]

Wait…

[finite heart]

The pet was killed and turned into a hat wtf

[marble comet]

Shadow dragonling jumpscare

[candid prawn]

Name?

[marble comet]

Weapon skins when

What’s the name for this btw

[ocean forge]

geomancer bouldercrest

[sand bloom]

Ok recommendstion for fixing lr to getvthe barriers removed, add more flying and ranged enemies that targetvyou in trees

[ocean peak]

Ah cool, so bonfire is coming up soon

[sand bloom]

Now safe spots are no longer safe, and you can still use them. Ez

[marble comet]

Man I don’t have enough for silverbull

[ocean peak]

Lol wtf

[finite heart]

Finally i can be a fun guy

[marble comet]

Mushroom man

[candid prawn]

@cinder sphinx

[ocean peak]

Some pretty neat hats good job kio

[marble comet]

Shadow dragonling hat is the best Fr

[ocean peak]

Have u found the weapon skins yet

[cinder sphinx]

wtf

[marble comet]

Wtf..

[ocean peak]

Cool but I have better hats

[cinder sphinx]

Rock!

[candid prawn]

Avo Headdress I assume?

[ocean peak]

No I don’t have that one

[candid prawn]

Or the goggles

[sand bloom]

A side of scrambled eggs sounds nice

Dang

[ocean peak]

I just have a bunch of black markets and godlies already I’m using the stars hat rn

[sand bloom]

Avos scrambled eggs when?

[cinder sphinx]

Then you'd end up with big flat walled boring arenas and areas, though they did state that its meant to be temporary

[ocean peak]

That’s pretty cool

[sand bloom]

That was meant more in general, i doubt theycwill make arenas for lr

[cinder sphinx]

Whoa thats cool

[marble comet]

Ok what the hell this is actually fire

[ocean peak]

Ok now get to the weapon skins

[marble comet]

I wanna see fallen spear

[cinder sphinx]

Are there a lot of frequent ones around? or are you just talking about when they are there

[sand bloom]

Yes.

[sand bloom]

Barriers are def frequent with hotfix

[cinder sphinx]

Those are temp no? im asking about ones which arent related to the lr thing

[sand bloom]

Yeah but still need to go FAST

Which is why i recommended adding more flying and ranged mobs

[cinder sphinx]

🔥

[sand bloom]

Just make "safespots" not safe and dont restrict movement with invisible blocks

[cinder sphinx]

Yes that is what they will likely do. You're kinda preaching to the choir here they obviously agree as shown in the post. What you could argue is that they shouldve just not done this and let it stay the previous way while they work on that solution

[fathom gale]

temporary just like the other countless pointless barriers across the map

[little saffron]

🔥
🤯

[cinder sphinx]

They didn't state those were temporary no? the other ones. I don't recall that but maybe I missed it

[fathom gale]

no but with how often they put barriers everywhere i doubt they plan to remove the current ones

[little saffron]

those barriar force me to reroute my tp

[fathom gale]

they clearly love bandaid fixing everything with barriers

[cinder sphinx]

they literally outright say they will remove those so, idk.

[bronze prism]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-skeleton-number-one-rip-gif-4816656

[little saffron]

especially the one in middle of eyeball forest

[fathom gale]

i find it hard to believe but lets hope

[cinder sphinx]

Why? They have acknowledged they know its a bandaid fix and ct have stated they know barriers are bad many times, they have been removed in certain locations before. In the post they show they already have a replacement in the works, theres no reason not to remove them.

[bronze prism]

also. this should fix everyone's everpresent complaints about Maro Peaks once and for fucking all

[cinder sphinx]

Anyway I don't stay long in #1019649786799996980 for a reason Imma go.

[finite heart]

Nope, climbing helmet still exists

[bronze prism]

turns out part of the issue wasn't the scavenger sentries, it was that galleon's graveyeard key guardians which had heavy pull could spawn in the water

[finite heart]

Lmfao

Thanks for fixing

[bronze prism]

very rarely, I've never actually seen it happen, but there's technically a region there and that means on a very rare occasion it could yank you off if you in one of like

three spots

[cinder sphinx]

ROCKS SKINLINE LETS GO

[bronze prism]

but also, the sentries just have explosion instead of push now. because, once again, despite my attempting for literal hours on end to get shoved off by the sentries without it ever happening, people just wouldn't stop complaining about it

[cinder sphinx]

WHOA, if only we could dual wield these

[bronze prism]

I didn't make the GG key guardian not spawn in Maro, I just changed it so it uses wave instead

[cinder sphinx]

I wonder what fury is about, they just seem like.. rusty metal stuff to me. Which.. is kinda meh? But its a niche vibe I guess

[marble comet]

I woah

[cinder sphinx]

Yoo neat. its like actaully good fire tier 3 bow model

[marble comet]

Spears when!!!

[marble flower]

they really gave warrior another anime sword huh

[cinder sphinx]

Wha where

[marble flower]

crimson greatssword

[marble comet]

I wanna see

[cinder sphinx]

wheres it say that

[marble flower]

anime sword but red

[cinder sphinx]

oh. yeah

I sorta wish they made a spear or a hammer instead and gave this to assassin cause assassins one is kinda underwhelming

[marble flower]

as a fallen player i know i have to spend 50 dollars to try and get this though

[cinder sphinx]

like this is just

[marble flower]

yeah i get what you mean, id like some more hammers too, there really arent many new good lookin ones

only old voxel messes

[cinder sphinx]

whats golemmancer spear I swear if its not a giant hammer ill be pissed

[marble flower]

anime sword RAAAHHHHHH

[marble flower]

i have great news

[cinder sphinx]

wait dagger is literally just greatsword split in half

[bronze prism]

but yeah the changes from this are just:
-GG Key Guardian uses Wave instead of Heavy Pull
-Scavenger Sentries are stronger and use Explosion instead of Push

[marble flower]

the fury stuff feels a bit... flat?

[cinder sphinx]

yipee

[ocean forge]

alkatraz skin fr

[cinder sphinx]

Whats it meant to be anyway

[marble flower]

ig gold or bronze or something

its not awful it just doesnt seem to be on par with the rest

[cinder sphinx]

yeah

[marble flower]

but if its the rare set maybe that makes sense

[fathom gale]

arcanist tome #1

[ocean forge]

geomancer wand

[marble flower]

i like geo wand, reminds me of old colossus when the stones were green

its a rotary phone confirmed

[cinder sphinx]

is that a fist?

[cinder sphinx]

Wait. GEOMANCER MINIGUN

[marble flower]

its a wand

[cinder sphinx]

oh. Huh yeah. reminds me of a sundial sorta

[marble flower]

actually the more i look at it the more it looks like a rotary flip-phone combination

anyway my final verdict is that i really like these skins and i look forward to the festival 👍

wtf

god damn, didnt expect new housing blocks, statues by the looks of it. cool!

[candid prawn]

It's going to be so funny if the community sees this whole Maro Peaks debacle and decides to come together as a collective to gaslight you into trying to fix something that isn't actually in the game

[bronze prism]

[candid prawn]

Hell, I can even fake a video or something

@bronze prism I assume you've seen the Garoth thing?

[marble flower]

frogge

[marble comet]

What the hell…

[bronze prism]

bip a small beaste wip four leggys

[candid prawn]

I spent like three hours on this just to gaslight Lex

It was successful for like two seconds which I'll take

It only took three hours and not ten minutes because I was too lazy to switch out from 1.12.2

[marble flower]

does this just say light?

[candid prawn]

Where is that

[marble flower]

orphions statue

[candid prawn]

What

[sand bloom]

Light maybe

[marble flower]

.

[candid prawn]

Oh I just saw this

I mean, he is literally Light

What's the Dernic-looking one called

[marble flower]

its pretty funny, we have statues of like the 3 most prominent being in wynn and then just a frog lol

i think you can guess which is which

[candid prawn]

Ah ok

I really hope that Dern Beast is just another wolf-hybrid like Orphion

Solely for the parallel aesthetic

[marble flower]

okay the light statue just says 'light'

[candid prawn]

Also because so I can recreate the "Inside You There Are Two Wolves" meme with the Realm Beasts

And also because so that Salted can finally add in a :badboye: emote

[ocean forge]

always visualized Dern Beast as monster-humanoid with spikes on shoulders and giant eyeball instead of head (that he ripped off for bak'al and how hes a headless demon)

[candid prawn]

||And also because someone with a muzzle and someone without a muzzle makes it really difficult for the both of them to violently and passionately make out||

[candid prawn]

If Dern Beast is humanoid-looking in any way I am going to kill every single person in the staff team

||in Minecraft||

[cinder sphinx]

WTFEHUDBUA THOS LOOK SICK WTF

[marble flower]

eldritch statue seems to have markings resembling ancient wynnic but im failing to actually translate them into anything. doesnt help that it might be mirrored and upside down and stuff sometimes

[candid prawn]

Me when the creature who is supposed to embody the most outrageously lovecraftian, eldritch alien force in the entire multiverse resembles a human structure

I will literally personally seek out the person who designed Dern Beast

Because who is idiotic enough to do that

Not idiotic enough to make them humanoid, but idiotic enough to brave what comes after

[bronze prism]

uncreative

[subtle prairie]

@wary portal

[marble flower]

bob has 4 diffferent symbols which im guessing is the first letter of the 4 classes but ill check

[candid prawn]

It makes it harder, not impossible

[marble flower]

nvm assassin and archer both start with A

CFEM

but maybe not in that particular order

[candid prawn]

I assume Shaman class is just
Not canon at all

[marble flower]

it was canonically added after bob disappeared

[wary portal]

👀

[candid prawn]

Also oh god

[marble flower]

wait is CFEM the first letters of bobs mentors?

[candid prawn]

I think so yeah

[marble flower]

i remember fierte and mael but nobody else

[candid prawn]

I know Mael is one of them

[ocean forge]

Chak, Ether

[marble flower]

alright cool

thats a pretty neat detail

[candid prawn]

Wait, Ether?
Where were they from

[ocean forge]

idk, but Bob learned mage arts from him

[marble flower]

(forest sprite)

[wary portal]

Could you send me the unobfuscated resource pack you’re using to look at the models? I’d like to check them out too

[sand bloom]

New trapper rework already?

[wary portal]

either here or dms

[candid prawn]

I'm... not the one who is looking at the models

[marble flower]

i can (1.17+ version)

[wary portal]

🙏

[cinder sphinx]

What if they added summon skins

[candid prawn]

Gondulf sends like a billion images and goes ignored
I send an image of 1 of Gondulf's images and you assume that they all came from me

What the hell is this

[wary portal]

sorry lol

[sand bloom]

Thats called class reskins

[marble flower]

the sprite is a pet btw

[sand bloom]

Yall makin new ones and not fixin olds?

[marble flower]

he has a tiny body but 90% of him is the head

[sand bloom]

The baby dragons look so clunky 😭

[cinder sphinx]

Oh yeah those exist they still haventupdated them

[candid prawn]

Moment

[marble flower]

golem head and golem arm. guessing this guy is a head with floating arms lol

[cinder sphinx]

Effigy?

[candid prawn]

golem head and golem arm

Effigy?

[marble flower]

nah just a pet im pretty sure, it has the new geomancer set aesthetic

[cinder sphinx]

Ye

[marble flower]

lmfao, this is nothing new but why does the shard model look like this

[candid prawn]

It's an animation
Hence it uses two sprites

The color change is just subtle as hell to even notice

[marble flower]

Oh i totally forgot about that. Still kinda funny how it’s squished like that

[fathom gale]

cool i just did a +10 curse and pull purple and only got 2 pulls and curses 🥴

i wish i wasnt right about lootruning becoming less and less fun with each hotfix but its as if they purposely try to make it unfun (this has nothing to do with the purple bugging out just now)

[vast cairn]

Wait what how does purple bug out

[fathom gale]

i wish i knew

it just decided to give me 2 pulls and curses after getting 2x vibrant aqua stacked

[glad ermine]

[light pivot]

help the class menu isnt working

oh nvm fixed itself

[verbal seal]

I think misc. buckets were 2.0.2 but I doubt the 2.0.2 thread is still active so I'll ask here: Is it intentional that charms cannot be stored in the misc. bucket?

[little olive]

Did you /class,

Btw, what reset is this talking about?

[fathom gale]

no but that also shouldnt reset aqua stacks anymore

[marble flower]

Rewards resetting after you finished the lootrun

[fathom gale]

i tested it a few days ago and classing didnt reset aquas

[verbal seal]

WHAT

(2.0.2 feedback but anyway)
who thought that this is a good idea

[soft thicket]

Tbh cheese was the only thing that made lootruns fun for me, stuff like void hole arena is literally impossible without an obscene amount of boons not even 10 challenges into the run as like mage since there just isn’t any way to cheese it, which just makes that one the worst challenge imo. Making other challenges like that will probably worsen the quality of Lootrunning overall imo

[soft thicket]

It’s +2 pages per rank

[finite heart]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

[verbal seal]

oh wow

so this sucks for noranks

[finite heart]

Yes

[hybrid frigate]

Yeah it's like 2 pages for nons

Bookshelf is 3 pages

[cinder sphinx]

since when was that a thing

[finite heart]

Since misc bucket

[cinder sphinx]

oh wait misc bucket not bank

[hybrid frigate]

Yeah bank is just ridiculous em prices but no donowalls

[cinder sphinx]

If cheese is the only thing thats fun then that doesn't seem like it was very fun to begin with, so maybe they could adjust stats and stuff to make it not "impossible"? Introduce more interesting mechanics and decrease mob count or something?

[verbal seal]

and for some reason we can store ingredients but not materials in it?

[finite heart]

It can store ings?

[naive cosmos]

ye

[soft thicket]

Wasn’t it originally +1 page per rank

[verbal seal]

omw to double my bank space

(actually only +3 pages but still)

the misc. bucket is safe, right? or did some people get their misc. bucket deleted?

[soft thicket]

?

[naive cosmos]

wouldnt be surprising if it happened tbh

[finite heart]

Misc bucket is basically an ender chest

[verbal seal]

in 1.20 all/most armour stands disappeared once

[wary portal]

dear content team... wtf

[verbal seal]

some other things that surprised me is that it can store horses, zhight money and ability shards

and most event items

[finite heart]

Well thats what it exists for

[verbal seal]

I thought it was only for quest items

[little saffron]

i have 4 page of mat

but somehow only 0.5 page ingredients 💀

[half pike]

new patch !!

[fathom gale]

you know what that means!!
||more frustrating new features and less fun lootruning overall||

if next lootrun pool doesnt have warp/idol/shiny fatal in it i might just completely drop wynncraft for that week/untill they possibly fix shit (doubt)

[half pike]

Added barriers around various challenges in the Silent Expanse Expedition Lootrun. This is mostly a temporary fix until we implement better anti-safespots measures. We know barriers are not great, but we think forcing players to cheese most challenges to be optimal is worse. Alternative methods to prevent safespots will replace those later.
BAD!
Tweaked the XP requirement in the early to mid-game. If you are under level 22, you will see a slight increase in the time it takes to level up. If you are between level 22 and 60, you will see a slight decrease. Note that these numbers might get tweaked again in the future.
hey actually less time at herb kinda cool

thats all i really got the rest is just bugfixes and stuff which is cool maybe tls will work now

[fathom gale]

its not just bad, its unbelievably horrific

[half pike]

i mean like

[fathom gale]

there are random barriers in the middle of the zone going all the way to the build limit

[half pike]

preventing safespots

[fathom gale]

they could have prevented safe spots without covering all the way to the build limit..

[half pike]

not a great thing

just keep safespots smh dont make the player experience worse

[fathom gale]

nah nah fuck mage and shaman in particular

warrior assasin and archer can freely avoid any sort of damage by being helicopters but god forbid the squishy ranged classes try to make use of their range

[vital raft]

Simply play warrior

[half pike]

archer

no warrior sucks

[little saffron]

my warrior is at detlas with 30+ death at lvl 21

[half pike]

thanks salted

funny bug

[little saffron]

my pojavlauncher is stuck on loading rss pack 💀

[marble flower]

afaik 1.12.2 broke in the class room/pack loading

[little saffron]

🤯

no i am not going to 1.19.4
already 90% mem usage in 1.19.4 on pc

[marble flower]

a temporary fix ive heard is joining an older world without hotfix 3, then /switch to a newer world

but that wont work forever

[little saffron]

call out the rich to bomb oldest wc

[marble flower]

try performance mods or 1.20

[little saffron]

i tried, got a bit better in main map but very very laggy at tna(sometiem crash)

think it is hardware issue

[half pike]

does it effect vanilla too?
(the 1.12.2 crash thing)

[half pike]

its a new version issue, happens to a lot of people

[little saffron]

only in 1.19.4 in tna gerg fightn sometime giant void hole room

my computer not even have a gpu

spark profiler pointed fabric loader using 500ms to process tick method for each tick

[little olive]

i already had to drop lootrunning pretty much entirely this week because my internet connection just completely disappears every few minutes and kicks me (which for some reason also crashes my game)

[subtle prairie]

Is 1.12.2 support supposed to be dropped after this hotfix? Or is that a bug that will hopefully be fixed

[half pike]

i assume its a bug

otherwise they would like say it (also why would they drop support for a major version thats literally the best to play wynn on)

[fathom gale]

(its not the best)

[carmine stratus]

this is very arguable now

[little saffron]

it is the best for user using low end device

[half pike]

only best for wynntils users

[carmine stratus]

only reason you'd play 1.12.2 is performance reasons

[half pike]

cuz artemis is so :doom:

[carmine stratus]

artemis isn't even that bad

[fathom gale]

but i literaly get better performance usign 1.19.4 than 1.12.2 lol

[half pike]

Things Artemis can probably fix:
-Lag Issues
-Possibly turning things in overlay configuration? Bolyai said it was possible but I heard from other people it wasn't possible on either version
-Good chat
-Being able to get the Wynncraft Texture Pack
-Potions in the inventory don't display how many there are
-Bank search has a worse background (and is in a different spot but whatever change isn't bad unless it makes stuff worse
-Artemis has a special dialogue system which like displays in the middle or something and is both absolutely horrible and doesn't have a toggle off
Things Artemis probably can't fix, but are still issues with newer versions:
-Working chorus plants
-Good optifine
-Possible worse movement
-Not liking where MS is taking the game (valid ngl)
-New world gen screen (not a wynn issue but a 1.19.4 issue)
-New creative inventory (also not a wynn issue but a 1.19.4 issue)
-Going from new versions to 1.8.9 (for hsb and such) resets hotkeys because minecraft whereas 1.12.2 does not have this issue

[little saffron]

just be informed that my computer do not have actual gpu 😭

[half pike]

theres a lot of issues with 1.19

[little saffron]

ican get wynn texture pack

[fathom gale]

there are issues with everything if you actualy look for them

[little saffron]

and i hate artermis npc dialoge

[light pivot]

i play 1.12.2 cuz i do not like the ui customization in artemis

[fathom gale]

i had no issues with 1.12.2 and i have no issues with 1.19.4 🤷

[little saffron]

have been finding way to disable

[half pike]

even when i dont you get things like worse search bar or chorus plants or just lag

yeah npc dialogue is really crazy possibly worse than new chat tags

[fathom gale]

dunno 1.19.4 made my fps way better and more stable

[half pike]

lucky

you are different than people that is possible

[fathom gale]

and so are you

[little saffron]

i have to limit fps on 1.19.4 to 45

[light pivot]

what fabric does to a mf

[fathom gale]

neither your opinion nor my opinion is universal

[half pike]

altho i will say my message of issues with artemis is just a lot of peoples issues with artemis stitched together

i personally do not refuse to play newer versions because ms is ruining the game but some people do

some people stopped playing mc altogether

[young ore]

They literally already have dropped support

[half pike]

im on 1.12.2 rn wynncraft very much so is still supporting 1.12.2

[little saffron]

he mean wynncraft not wynntils

[young ore]

Oh I read wynntils

[carmine stratus]

-Lag issues are wynntils in general
-Isn't that also not a thing in wynntils either?
-Eh, i'm used to the chat, still weird but eh.
-The hell do you mean here? like the file? If so this is just dumb with how easy it is to get.
-Always have for me, outside of which potions it is which i hover in the inventory for me.
-Bank search is just eh.
-it does have a toggle off but ok.
-Fair
-who the hell uses optifine now?
-Movement's fine.
-The only bad change so far from MS is the new EULA. Chat reporting is irrelevant
-not that bad but ok.
-Creative was always fine for me.
-There are launchers for this.

[half pike]

i will probably switch to artemis eventually after it gets better than 1.12.2

[young ore]

Quite the reading comprehension

[little saffron]

current u cannot login wynncrab with 1.12.2

[light pivot]

same

[little saffron]

if u try to login on new world

[light pivot]

ik

why is it that way btw?

[carmine stratus]

Anyway yeah, most complaints from wynntils users about artemis i see are either the fair complaint of not good enough performance to justify

[little saffron]

toggle off also remove npc dialoge in chat

[carmine stratus]

I think it's a bug?

[little saffron]

i guess they forgor to add 1.12.2 texture pack to server ?

and client just hang there

[light pivot]

but i get the texture pack i think?

[carmine stratus]

just kill 1.12.2

[light pivot]

i just dont get the menu to select class

[half pike]

theres a toggle off for npc dialogue?

[carmine stratus]

yes.

[light pivot]

the wool was wynncraft wool not regular mc wool

[little saffron]

even with disable texture pack, it still lock u there

[light pivot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137862209888854128/1137865723243413595/lari_spin.gif

[carmine stratus]

Main bug is that toggling it off just removes it completely, but that seems to be more of a bug than anything

[light pivot]

this is all lari's fault 100%

[half pike]

doom

[little saffron]

could be caid

[half pike]

i was excited there was a fix cuz there wasnt 2 days ago

[little saffron]

also with newest muShroom man quest, where is YAHYA

did he just consumed by spider

[light pivot]

u find and get him out of the dungeon when u first do it

[little saffron]

ib ?

[carmine stratus]

found a fix btw

[light pivot]

infested pit

[carmine stratus]

just turn off chat tabs.

[little saffron]

i always mix up ib and ip 🤯

[carmine stratus]

Makes the dialogue appear in chat if you also disable middle of the screen one

[little saffron]

regex issue

[light pivot]

ice pit and infested barrows yes

[little saffron]

artermis also need to fix auto replace cordinate regex

[half pike]

the what

i just got 14 e from a chest which unironically is one of the best things ive gotten from a chest

[little olive]

[fathom gale]

incredible boon

[hybrid frigate]

omg thats busted

[little olive]

also, "fixed cheese spots" .-.

[fathom gale]

sounds about right

they spamed barriers to the build limit and still couldnt properly patch everything up

[fathom gale]

wont be suprised if they end up doing this for real

[woeful grail]

Gotta love the good ol barrier spam

[sleek valley]

ok gonna do this and then not add the tunnel

[fathom gale]

based

[sleek valley]

in all seriousness i think yall are overreacting with the "yea might as well just barrier everything smh"

[little olive]

this also just completely fucks grappling hook everywhere because whenever you want to grapple a high location theres berriers blocking you

[fathom gale]

well i died once and almost died 5 times so far due to those barriers (not in a hcallenge but just flying around)

• its anoying how this only targets mage and shaman cheese

what about the other 3 classes ignoring the concept of pain while being helicopters

[half pike]

yeah the staff are overreacting with barriers

just dont block safespots

[wary portal]

i mean i get that you guys dont want people to cheese challenges but some of them are placed in a way that makes flying to certain locations like lutho very annoying on warp or idol, even if you arent doing a lootrun atm

[half pike]

also was fruma gate revamped

[little olive]

"hello, please play these ranged classes but please dont keep a distance from mobs"

[half pike]

i thought it was only a gate but now its like an entire dock town

[wary portal]

always has been

[crystal lantern]

barrier moment

[fathom gale]

pretty much yeah

while the melee classes with high base defense get to fly over all the mobs and never get hit

[hybrid frigate]

Doesn't this make high amount of WS curses unplayable

[fathom gale]

if you are mage or shaman yes

[crystal lantern]

welp i lr with heavy hybrid paladin guardian () so i probably wont be negatively affected by these barriers at least

[sleek valley]

i dont necessarily disagree

[little saffron]

soon enough they will block avo animation totem entracr

[half pike]

what you want to have fun?
no

this is wynncraft no fun allowed

[hybrid frigate]

I want more challenges in the middle of the roads

[half pike]

fruma gate has a barrier ceiling interesting

[sleek valley]

yea like . this is silly

[half pike]

fr admins stop deleting fun things smh smh

[hybrid frigate]

So there are cheese spots and barriers spammed all over the road to fix that

[fathom gale]

make a challenge inside lutho so they cover it all in barriers and you have to get in and out only through the gates by walking

[half pike]

real

[hybrid frigate]

And the challenge is started in the gates

[half pike]

no more going over the walls

[hybrid frigate]

So you can't avoid it

[fathom gale]

i cant disagree we are overreacting but overracting aside its still frustrating

[sleek valley]

oh sure

[fathom gale]

especialy when this only fixes shaman and mage cheese rather than all classes cheese..

[crystal lantern]

i simply use guardian so i am the cheese spot, immortality goes wherever i stand

[half pike]

wouldnt be wynncraft if it werent for making up problems that dont exist and only partly fixing them

[fathom gale]

have you actualy tried playing with high curses? cuz then your guardian wont matter lol

ive played with 1mill ehp and still goten 1 framed

[modern pier]

Why barriers? Why?

[crystal lantern]

well yeah ive done high curse runs and then it gets a little tricky no doubt

just being silly with that statement

[sleek valley]

the problem does exist

[half pike]

safe spots arent really that bad
like oh no people want to play the game and have fun

[little saffron]

if u fix safe spot, fix safe spot at tna, disable movement spell in tna light room parkour and giant voidhole parkour

[fathom gale]

or if you are going to fix a safe spot then also make mobs capable of hitting people in the air as well

[half pike]

why tf does fruma have a ceiling of barriers

super annoying, im trying to scale the gate and can only get up to y 126

[sleek valley]

likely always has

[glad ermine]

the barriers are temporary tho

[little saffron]

there is no war inside the fruma wall

[half pike]

yeah but like huh is that something they used to do

[little saffron]

but there is war below the fruma celling

[sleek valley]

prolly doesnt want you to look over the gate lol even though theres nothing there

[half pike]

low barrier ceilings

[little saffron]

fruma lore leaked

[sleek valley]

fruma isnt real confirmed ......

[little olive]

fruma is figghting a war agaisnt the invisible barriers encroaching on their land

[rare sedge]

If you wanna see fruma just shrimply become a builder and build it yourself

[half pike]

frumas actually a pretty good build ngl i cant wait for it to get entirely revamped and replaced by a worse version when fruma releases at 2.1

just like thesead ong

[rare sedge]

The classic

[rare sedge]

Thesead was fine, kb

[little olive]

btw why dont you just add even more mobs with (heavy) pull to prevent cheesing (oh and also give them multihit because not being able to mvoe is very funny)

[little saffron]

old guild hall and the airbase 😔

[rare sedge]

Everything evolves into eldritch outlook

[little saffron]

heavy-pull heavy-explosion heavy-charge multihit brust

[rare sedge]

Just like everything evolves into crab irl, buildings are evolving into EO in wynn

[unreal robin]

Are they ever gonna fix v aqua into v aqua into v blue only giving u 3 boons Instead of 11 also destroying the aqua stack for no reason

[little saffron]

yellow:

[unreal robin]

Also yellow omg

[fathom gale]

doubt thats high on the priority list

[little olive]

nah, thats not helping oyu so not a priority

[unreal robin]

But holy shit we need to add 2000 barriers everywhere instead of just fundemtally designing the camps everyone cheeses…… if no one wants to interact with “a thing” remove the “thing” don’t just make it worse. I wanna be nice but holy fuck a change like this makes no sense to me and will just piss off players like I had me pissed off. Like bro 2 weeks ago I was begging for them to remove unnecessary barriers but they ADD MORE?!?!!! Like holy shit

[fathom gale]

we were also asking for loot chests to get some sort of buff but here we are

[half pike]

is that a nerf

[unreal robin]

Fr, people begging for more emeralds since DAY 1. I still see 11 emeralds max out of a tier 4 with 3 day timer…..

[half pike]

wtf earlygame is when you need more loot especially

[fathom gale]

either a nerf or just weird wording

but by less overwhelming i just assume its less stuff in the chests

[little olive]

"less overwhelming" sounds like "less items" to me, i d hope that they buff item quality in return but i dont think they would actually do that

[unreal robin]

It’s so frustrating to me, they add 1 fix a ton of people wanted (shaman crimson fix) but in The same update change 3 other things to fucking suck, and they want us to give “positive constructive feedback” bro it actually tilted the fuck out of me

I fucking hate the monkey paw system of barley listening to your players just to fuck them over at like every opportunity

[sleek valley]

🤔

[unreal robin]

Bro what player was actually wanted MORE barriers, imo it’s literally the worst solution you could come up with

Worse than just temporarily removing the camps imo

You prioritize fixing “cheese” over actually bugs that make lr worse like yellow not working. Blues not stacking properly, emeralds being trash, unnecessary barriers that make u run way out of the way cause some invisible wall is blocking u even tho I can see ur destination right on the other side…. You’re making lr just worse and worse and worse imo

[hybrid frigate]

There is no war inside fruman walls (they didn't get the barrier treatment yet)

[unreal robin]

Like fixing cheese doesn’t address warrior at all so now everyone is just gonna lr on that class, rip anyone who enjoyed any other class. Shit is so dumb to me honestly

Like instead of “thinking why do people feel the need to cheese this” “‘maybe a fundamental part of the combat and way camps are designed doesn’t work for majority of classes or archetypes.” But instead of addressing that they are just screwing over those classes?

[crystal lantern]

i dont really have much to say about the whole barrier thing since ive never used the cheese spots (so im neutral on the matter)

[rare sedge]

When will salted learn to listen community

[unreal robin]

The only time is that they haven’t fixed cgg and accepted players want to skip the cut scenes

“Fixed” bro if I see cgg changes I’ll literally never do forge again

Like why is it so hard to listen to majority of player wants? Why is stuff like the acceptance of Cgg skips such a rare thing

[little olive]

🍿

[unreal robin]

Imo if there are gonna be a billion barriers atleast let people see them, one of the most annoying parts of it is the fact u have no idea where they are so it’s like running into a brick wall at full speed. Imo it feels like such ass

[little olive]

there are proipably mods that make barriers visible (your client already knows where they are anyway)

no idea if thats allowed though

[fathom gale]

or just a texturepack

[hybrid frigate]

Not breaking the rules if you aren't caught

[little saffron]

barriar "block"(red cross) is a particle

[crystal lantern]

barriers still have a texture, its just that the texture is completely transparent

[unreal robin]

Nothing like needing a 3rd party software to make a game not feel like ass 👍

[half pike]

1.19

[unreal robin]

What does that mean?

[half pike]

sodium moment

thats like the entire reason sodium exists

[unreal robin]

me no know what that is

[little saffron]

sodium, a alkaline metal with atomic number 11.

[unreal robin]

real

[half pike]

real (i wish mods would stop naming themselves after elements)

[half pike]

optifine but like a tenth of the features (fps boost mod)

[unreal robin]

ic, how does that help me see barrior blocks?

[half pike]

it doesnt

it isnt meant to

[little saffron]

sodium helium phosphor krypton hydrogen indium

[unreal robin]

oh i thought u were saying that as like response to me being frustrades with invis walls

[half pike]

no it is a thing like this

[little saffron]

sodium using 120ms to process 1 tick for me(sometimes)

[half pike]

its an example of a 3rd party software that is used for that

[unreal robin]

reove the barrior blocks here they are so pointless it makes me so annoyed

this is what i mean, after running this 100+ times for lr its really annoying to me and unnecessary af

[glad ermine]

yeah i’ve no idea why you can’t cut through it, would make life so much easier

that’s like the number 1 barrier than annoys me lol

[unreal robin]

i hate its all because journey beyond or whatever the dumb quest is, is jank af so they have tto make the rest of the map super jank instead of just adressing the problem whoch is the dumb quests

thats what i mean every "solution" just seeems to be some broken ass monkey paw deal that just fucks over the players even more

[little olive]

Some of the barriers are just comoletely ridiculous, one of the slay ones legit has barriers outside the usable area

[teal radish]

lmao

[south spoke]

Warriors really do have the best skins

[teal radish]

^ so is this a typo or not?

@sleek valley do you know?

[sleek valley]

nope

as in its not a typo

[half pike]

so are they nerfing loot chests earlygame?

[teal radish]

why

[half pike]

cuz thatd be odd cuz earlygame they needed to be buffed

[teal radish]

yea

chest loot was already bad as is

[rare sedge]

Maybe even chests overall...

[wraith gazelle]

Ah yes, we love scaring new players

[sleek valley]

endgame loot shouldnt have been touched

[glad ermine]

huh?

[teal radish]

ok?

[rare sedge]

(I was talking to slime)

[teal radish]

thats not the issue lol

[sleek valley]

o my bad

[teal radish]

early game loot needed a buff if anything

[sleek valley]

i misunderstood the msg

[sleek valley]

was responding to this

[teal radish]

ah

[half pike]

yeah chests in general needed to have more items

[sleek valley]

which i didnt understand correctly

[half pike]

but especially earlygame before camps

[glad ermine]

I think the way it was before was already fine, so i’m not sure why it was necessary, like who said that the loot was overwhelming early game? bit confused

[sleek valley]

are we talking loot for the sake of finding a specific item or loot in general

[glad ermine]

i found it fun getting a lot of different items and seeing how to make a build with what i got, but i guess that just might be me

[teal radish]

loot in general

[wraith gazelle]

Why was early game loot even nerfed? "Overwhelming" new players has never been a thing I'd assume...?

[teal radish]

just wondering why early game loot was nerfed

[glad ermine]

ye i wonder who said it’s overwhelming or suggested that

[sleek valley]

right, so, from my perspective, even with dropped rates, earlygame players are still getting enough items

[glad ermine]

i think it’s fine either way, doesn’t make a big difference but seems a bit random of a change

[wraith gazelle]

If it was tweaked in a way that means "players get more legendaries in early game so it doesn't overwhelm them" I'd be down for it but the post also doesn't say what was tweaked about it

[sleek valley]

i don't have all the information about why the change was made though

[teal radish]

:(

[glad ermine]

besides players can buy different stuff for gear on tm anyways so doesn’t change much

[teal radish]

I don’t like forcing early game players to use trade market

and trade market is unlikely to even have much stuff

at least specific items

[glad ermine]

it won’t force them tho, i doubt most new players know much about builds or care enoigh to google good builds for early games lol

they will just smack random stuff together like i did lol

or use sets like adventure set

[teal radish]

yeah and now there’s less random stuff

[glad ermine]

idk i can’t comment as i haven’t tried early game chests since the update

[wraith gazelle]

Yeah, which is why I'd be fine with the "tweaking" being more legendary boxes in boxes in exchange for less loot

[glad ermine]

but mobs still drop items.. so.. should be fine

[teal radish]

they were pretty bad already

[alpine forum]

I guess the concern was new players finding more ems then they get from low level quests (but like just make the low level quests drop more then a single EB)

[wraith gazelle]

But the patchnote doesn't specify anything lmao, which is yet again something that need to be worked on the communication department

[glad ermine]

yea sometimes with these patch notes it’s not specific enough imo, wouldn’t be difficult to add an extra sentence to explain how so they’ve changed it

like could just say “chances of higher rarity items appear less commonly” or just “less items from chests overall” 🤷🏻‍♂️

[teal radish]

yeah maybe they just reduced the amount of powders or potions or random stuff like that

[bright sage]

no mythic rate nerf???

[glad ermine]

i would assume so

most logical conclusion

[glad ermine]

i don’t agree with nerfing mythic rates unless they make runs less rng

i had to restart 4 times yesterday to get an orange lol.. that’s 40 mins wasted

[rare sedge]

They will read "nerf mythic rate" and ignore making runs less rng

[teal radish]

yeah those are both things that need to be done

the issue essentially is mythics being basically guaranteed in god runs

[glad ermine]

exactly what i’m afraid of lol

[teal radish]

which are RNG reliant

[glad ermine]

idk it’s weird sometimes, i’ve done 2 runs yesterday about 180 pulls, 10rr and got nothing

[teal radish]

wow

[glad ermine]

but the day before i got a mythic from 5 pulls, and 24 pulls

[teal radish]

that’s unlucky

[glad ermine]

so it really varies in weird way

[teal radish]

I’m pretty sure I’ve gotten a mythic every single god run I’ve done

[bright sage]

so how yall feel about the idea of removing gray beacon and giving rerolls based on challenges completed ??

[alpine forum]

please

[teal radish]

nah

[rare sedge]

Mythic average is 1 per 1.5k pulls and maybe small chance to get something overall

[alpine forum]

theres no point at all in having once per run grey beacon, what are you going to do not take it? Just make the rerolls a given and make grey do something new

its a fake choice, you ALWAYS pick grey double aqua stack or your throwing

[rare sedge]

Like, according to marqn's database lower pull runs have greater chance to get something

[teal radish]

I’d be down to make grey beacon be really rare at start and get more common as the run goes on tho

[alpine forum]

lootrun needs more pathing variety; theres no point in having so many beacons if you always stick to one path

[rare sedge]

Mmmh

[teal radish]

tho there’s still the issue of orange beacon making everything guaranteed if you stack a big one…kinda stupid

[glad ermine]

the main issue is orange and yellow being completely useless (in 99% of the cases, especially when stacking them)

[rare sedge]

This should be done with orange beacon, but making you start with 3 choices

What you said about gray one

[glad ermine]

fr

+1 choice for gm rank would be fab

[rare sedge]

Gm is way too late for that

[glad ermine]

i got to gm in less than 12 hours of the update

[rare sedge]

Doom

[glad ermine]

idk why it’s so easy to climb the ranks lol

[rare sedge]

It would be way better to get +1 choice earlier than rainbow beacons

[glad ermine]

hmm, either way we want +1 :3

[teal radish]

while we’re on the topic of ranks:

switch when red and green are unlocked. green being unlocked first is useless because you don’t have reds which make time an issue and you’re limited to 10 challenges so scaling is barely an issue

whereas red being unlocked first would make sense, you’d be able to go past 10 challenges, but you can’t stack too many reds cuz of no greens

[rare sedge]

Probably it would be the best to move +1 beacon choice in place of 2nd reroll

And then maybe moving 2nd reroll to grandmaster?

[stray hinge]

fix chests not spawning after a challenge xd

[teal radish]

pretty sure that happens cuz you go outside the zone just as the challenge ends

but yeah they should probably make zones bigger for challenge chest

[unreal robin]

Fundamental problems with lr and Ct decided the biggest priority is adding more barrier blocks to “stop cheese”

[teal radish]

have had it happen in graveyard of the thousands which makes sense

[stray hinge]

hmm no im literally stanidng block next to it

[teal radish]

weird

[modern pier]

If I leave the challenge area during the challenge, I dont get the chest

Aka it doesnt have to be at the end of the challenge

[teal radish]

ohhh that’s how it works

[sleek valley]

youll be surprised to hear that the work that goes into those two things is done by different people

[half pike]

yeah guys its not all ct

dont say "wtf the ct must be higher than the bread enthusiast"

say "wtf salted must be higher than the bread enthusiast"

its not salteds fault but we can still blame em

[teal radish]

#blamethecowman

[thorny glacier]

that is actually one of the biggest priorities

[unreal robin]

Imo it’s a massive waste in one party’s effort, why waste the time with a bandaid solution that will only piss players off

[thorny glacier]

that alone is sad, don't you think?

[half pike]

no?

what is there to be sad about

[unreal robin]

?

[thorny glacier]

that players enjoy cheesing content, in some way bugging it

[unreal robin]

Just annoyed with more invisible walls man o hate that shit. Just remove the entire tree don’t add more walls

[half pike]

no way people have fun crazy ban em

its not even an issue

[thorny glacier]

thats what im saying, i find it sad people enjoy cheesing lr challenges

[teal radish]

people are pissed off by the barriers to height limit, not cheesing being removed

[thorny glacier]

yea, that sounds fair enough. barriers blocking travel paths is canca

[teal radish]

you can’t even fly over the eyeball forest slay to get to olmic city anymore

[half pike]

how?

[teal radish]

you gotta go around it

[unreal robin]

I fucking hate running into invisible walls that I need to go 10 blocks to the side to get around but they are fucking invisible so I don’t know where the fuck that is. It makes so so mad honestly

[thorny glacier]

that is fucked up

[half pike]

i dont understand finding that sad ngl

its literally just improving the game

[thorny glacier]

you probably dont find macroers or dupers sad either

[half pike]

except like

macroing and duping is bad both for the game and for other players

[cunning verge]

Yeah, unfortunately

[half pike]

you are comparing literally breaking the rules to having fun

[cunning verge]

i dont like it either

[half pike]

just dont stop safe spots it isnt a problem and people will still find them anyway

[cunning verge]

But it'll be changed once a fix is found. Just keep in mind they're temporary

[half pike]

do you not need a quest for cinfras scrolls? hype

[thorny glacier]

i never care about rules, i care bout if it is ok or not. for example those macros people use to loop spells in inhumane times with inhumane 0 errors are allowed, yet i think they are sad to use

[tropic ginkgo]

why are safe spots such a big deal lol are they not equivalent to just standing far away from the boss as archer

[cunning verge]

We don't want to let you cheese spots. We want you to actually have to do the challenges as intended

[thorny glacier]

(which is actually how its intended)

[tropic ginkgo]

using cheese spots like actively slows you down

[teal radish]

yeah I know, but we’ve already gone almost a month with cheesing, should have just kept it until an actual fix was found

[tropic ginkgo]

I have no idea why you would use cheese spots like literally ever given that ranged mobs exist and mobs have spells exploding head

[half pike]

yeah it just makes the challenge like actually semi fun

[thorny glacier]

blud is ill

[half pike]

admittedly they arent fun either way cuz idk but like at least safe spots make them doable

[cunning verge]

I don't like the barriers but I disagree with this sentiment

If there's a dupe glitch I'd rather trade market be shut down for a day for the bug fix to happen than just let it go for another day

[tropic ginkgo]

those are not equivalent though

[half pike]

yeah except safe spots and dupe glitches are crazy different

thats like comparing warring to going offmap

[teal radish]

yeah those definitely aren’t equivalent

[tropic ginkgo]

like what principal wrong are you finding with letting assassin players afk for 5 or 6 times longer with smoke bomb instead of actually playing the damn game and risking a death

[thorny glacier]

💀

[tropic ginkgo]

there is a trade off here believe it or not (time spent in challenge)

[subtle prairie]

any fix for 1.12 getting stuck in class box

[half pike]

use a different version for a while

[cunning verge]

Play on higher versions

[half pike]

should be fixed soon hopefully

[subtle prairie]

is 1.12 not supported anymore?

[half pike]

its a bug

cuz new hotfix

[cunning verge]

1.12 is kind of being phased out a bit. Wynntils for 1.12 was discontinued, and some new features are dependant on higher versions

[teal radish]

a better analogy is like with the rerolls resetting aqua stack, if you were to temporarily remove rerolls

[thorny glacier]

cuz it defies the idea of it, they could just make mobs that fly around and target you up there as well, or pull you down. but they don't, because that'd fuck up melee classes even more!

[cunning verge]

Not really, because to fix that it doesn't take much

[thorny glacier]

they made the mobs on ground because you are meant to be on ground

[unreal robin]

Why can’t the temporary fix be removing the camps people cheese? Why actively make traveling in the game that much worse than it already is

[half pike]

this is wynncraft we are talking about

[unreal robin]

Like just remove the tree don’t add barrior ls

[teal radish]

bruh that would be most of them

[half pike]

they remove everything good get real

[cunning verge]

Ok. No more lootrun camps then

[teal radish]

the only challenges that don’t have cheese are like spelunks and a few others

[subtle prairie]

yeah but are you oficially dropping support of the server for people to join in 1.12

[cunning verge]

Not officially

[teal radish]

no one wants spelunks to be the only challenges

[subtle prairie]

i dont care about wynntils or other features

[unreal robin]

Almost every splunk cave in lutho you don’t cheese besides lanter guy

2 of the kill objectives seem fine to me

[tropic ginkgo]

I have legitimately never used a cheese ever because they're just never necessary

[unreal robin]

Literally removing some trees fixes 80% of them

[rare sedge]

And this one you cannot barrier, because there would be no entrance to boss

[unreal robin]

You’d fix this by changing the ai of the mobs

[teal radish]

yea would’ve been better to remove the trees for the eyeball forest one

[cunning verge]

At the end of the day, it wasnt my decision

[tropic ginkgo]

ok honestly I support this take

[rare sedge]

A lot of ct didn't like this, did they?

[cunning verge]

I personally wanted the barriers to only appear when you are doing a challenge, but I'm not like

[unreal robin]

I know it’s not a single persons choice it just feels like a better idea could have been pushed thru

[teal radish]

is that even possible

[cunning verge]

some manager or whatever

[tropic ginkgo]

like half of the time "anti cheese" could've just meant removing the pointless doorways and trees around challenges

instead of adding these goofy ahh barriers everywhere

[cunning verge]

wommby. Doors made of blocks open and stuff in this game

If it was impossible then fallen factory wouldn't be in the game

[rare sedge]

You can just add a horizontal boundary that pulls you down once you get too high, that could work I think

[cunning verge]

It really wouldn't

One size doesn't fit all with these challenges

[rare sedge]

Hmmmh

I thought you can manipulate this

[teal radish]

they open for everyone though

[half pike]

salted took one look at people enjoying camps and said nope

blue gives rewards now neat

[teal radish]

the barriers would have to be clientside

[tropic ginkgo]

I mean tbf this is probably just wynncraft's standard strategy of pushing out controversial changes and then doing nothing until the community hopefully forgets about it

[rare sedge]

And regarding to killing objective in eyeball forest, it's only semi-chessable, because you can still get hit while sitting on that branch because exploding goes trough terrain

[cunning verge]

Not all of them

[cunning verge]

Did you read the changelog.

[sleek valley]

you havent since 2.0

[teal radish]

well like during quests yeah there’s stuff that’s clientside, but you’re near the blocks

[unreal robin]

I was wondering if that’s what they meant by self explosion meant

[cunning verge]

The barriers are literally a temporary bandaid fix. They will get replaced with something else

[rare sedge]

I wonder when...

[half pike]

ok blue sometimes gives rewards

[teal radish]

barriers all over SE being clientside sounds like way too much work if not impossible

[half pike]

what in changelog are you referencing?

[tropic ginkgo]

the fact that the barriers will get replaced eventually (eventually)

[unreal robin]

By temporary what time frame are we looking? I don’t want 4 months of awful lring cause of barriers

[cunning verge]

Patch 3 changelog

[half pike]

yeah but what in it

i think i crashed idk

[rare sedge]

Hmmm, but I think you could just make it cylindrical and then put it's start in different places vertically for different challenges, that perhaps could work

[unreal robin]

Like sure I don’t care if these are here for a week, kinda rough but whatever. If the next 6+ months I’m gonna be kinda pissed

[half pike]

yeah did rip

and cant rejoin cuz they havent fixed 1.12.2 yet rip

there goes that lr

[teal radish]

wait what’s wrong with 1.12.2

I was able to join earlier

[half pike]

bugged and you cant join on it rn

[teal radish]

weird I was able to join

[half pike]

class area doesnt show up

just with worlds on new hotfix

[teal radish]

oh it did take a long time to load in black box

but it eventually worked for me

[teal radish]

I was definitely on a new world

[half pike]

interesting

[teal radish]

cuz I tested the barriers above eyeball forest slay

[woeful grail]

Rest in peace 1.12
Im happy inswapped to 1.19 very early on
(Last october lmao)

[half pike]

well i dont think ill be able to continue that lr

[teal radish]

but yeah loading into class did take like a minute

[half pike]

im waiting til artemis gets better than og wynntils to switch still

cuz its gonna be a pain to switch

[woeful grail]

I think 90% of the features are ported now

[half pike]

yeah artemis still has a bunch of issues preventing me from switching

[woeful grail]

And a lot of new ones

[half pike]

(one new one)

[woeful grail]

Huh

[half pike]

and 1.19 as a whole has a bunch of issues which is unfortunate

doesnt it just have lr beacons or whatever

[woeful grail]

Well, they are porting to 1.20.2

[woeful grail]

A lot more than that

[half pike]

what else have they added?

[woeful grail]

I could list features for 10 mimutes

[half pike]

feel free to

my only main issues with switching to 1.19 or 1.20 are new chat tags, bank search, dialogue system, and chorus plants

[woeful grail]

Ok so
Functions
Custom bars
Custom poi provider allowing people to share waypoints via github (that can be toggled and updated)

[half pike]

oh and ig actually getting artemis running will be hard
lag i can probably deal with

[woeful grail]

Bank search is in

[half pike]

yeah but its bad

[woeful grail]

Dialogue can be disabled

[half pike]

which is the issue i have, 1.12.2 has a way better system

[woeful grail]

Ig

[teal radish]

I’ve been thinking about messaging the creator of the debugify mod to see if they can fix the chorus plant bug server side

[fathom gale]

Just be like me and blame wynncraft as a whole

[half pike]

almost died cuz some dumb manager decided to put barriers everywhere

really taking a book out of the discussion yesterday in #1138571374886137936

inventing complete non issues and attempting to solve them

bro you cant open chests in lootruns or after them 💀

im just trying to clear my inv and i have to blacksmith stuff

wow camps suck

i closed reward chest and still cant open bank doom

[wary portal]

Thank you content team for making the chest at 864 -315 inaccessable 🙏 I didnt like that chest anyways

[rare sedge]

Thank salted

[fathom gale]

Thanks wynncraft instead so you dont make a mistake!

that way you blame the entire wynncraft team without singling out anyone in particular

[unreal robin]

I guess that’s what I should start saying cause that’s what I actually mean

[fathom gale]

so you will always blame the right person technicaly

[half pike]

i blame lexnt specifically for everything bad that has happened except the stuff that they were involved with

muahaha

[modern pier]

Buuns character arc?? 😮

[sleek valley]

it was me the whole time. mwahahaha

[hybrid frigate]

It is sad that not cheesing the content is not fun or sometimes possible in the first place