2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[fathom gale]

tell me you didnt read 90% of what im writing without telling me

[gentle grail]

Summarized, you're welcome btw

[fathom gale]

i see you are illiterate so im not even gona bother

[gentle grail]

Bro you ain't even capitalizing your i's

[fathom gale]

💤

[ocean peak]

Minor grammatical error argument destroyed

[fathom gale]

its not an error if i simply dont care about it

[subtle prairie]

bro youre treating this channel like its your diary

[fathom gale]

im just giving feedback

[glad ermine]

and no one asked for your opinion, but hey we're still here

[fathom gale]

cuz i honestly want lootruning to be fun

[subtle prairie]

You should read up on what feedback means

[glad ermine]

delusion is real within some of these ppl here lmfao

[fathom gale]

i think im good

[ocean peak]

Surely this passive aggressive bickering will all get us what we want

[unreal robin]

Idk reduce mythic rates but stop gutting the ability to get god runs and 2 hour lr. It’s fun to do a long lr I don’t really care if I don’t get a mythic it’s way more fun to have 2000 potential pulls instead of 70.

[fathom gale]

surely they will realise that reducing mythic rates will actualy fix 2 problems

surely..

[gentle grail]

Nothing is stopping you from having insanely long runs

[unreal robin]

Expect the shadow nerfed aqua again. It seems they keep making changes to stop you from doing long runs….. it’s like someone has no idea how to read 🤷‍♂️

[gentle grail]

What was this shadow nerf

[ocean peak]

It seemed like pretty unintentional design so I don’t see what’s to be mad over

[unreal robin]

They keep nerfing aqua into the ground….

[glad ermine]

they already nerfing the mythic rates by making good runs more and more unobtainable

[ocean peak]

Although I also wish aqua didn’t have a limit in runs now that it can’t be stacked over 2 times

[fathom gale]

aqua aqua rainbow aqua aqua was unintentional and should have been fixed but alongside that they also made rainbow void aqua stacks for no reason

[gentle grail]

Do you mean when aqua was a 90% chance to appear

Oh so they just made a bug fixing another one lol

[fathom gale]

eh idk if its a bug, they could have made rainbow void aqua intentionaly for all we know but its silly

[unreal robin]

The problem is they don’t tell the players any of this and players have to find out the hard way/ annoying way

[fathom gale]

we'll never know if its a bug or intentional cuz yeah shadow patches go haha

[unreal robin]

Like we are guessing if it’s a bug or not since they don’t tell us shit

[dapper shore]

Rainbow resetting aquas was probably a bug, it was just meant to transfer aquas to the next buff

[glad ermine]

can't wait for them to take the suggestion of nerfing mythics but carry on making camps more and more rng based

[unreal robin]

Does /class still bug out aqua?

[fathom gale]

probably, too afraid to test

[gentle grail]

And then they just summarize the changes in a hotfix forum post instead of posting 2 patch notices a day

Is it not more satisfying for a god run to be rare and then also have really good rates on mythic drops

[dapper shore]

I mean i think buffing orange rates would make god runs easier

[gentle grail]

It would make them exponentially easier lol

[dapper shore]

rng with just two beacons is usually awful

Id be fine if they made the combat more difficult in return for more lenient rng

[gentle grail]

How can you make the combat difficult when you can have max sp +2000% damage and hundreds of thousands of ehp

[fathom gale]

[gentle grail]

"Just make the combat difficult"

[fathom gale]

i mean

if i eat the wrong multi hit and my agi fails i can still get 1 taped

[unreal robin]

Yes but that is now making 80% of gameplay feel like ass for the 20% chance to get a “good run” I’d rather just on average get god runs 80% of the time with a 10% chance to get a mythic on it instead of the opposite

[fathom gale]

the worst part is that even with bad runs you can still get mythics cuz they are stupidly common

[unreal robin]

People remember the bad much more than they remember the good

[fathom gale]

and that doesnt even feel rewarding at all

[unreal robin]

Agree seeing people get mythics out of 13 reward chest kinda piss me of Ngl

[glad ermine]

thats just extremely lucky, i saw some1 get a shiny gaia from 14 pulls, whereas i've done around 200 lootruns already and havent got a single shiny

[unreal robin]

Agree it just makes me mad lol

[ebon grail]

Did u use boons to get these stats or no??

[vast cairn]

I dont like the fact that your run is basically dead if orange does not appear

you can get early rainbow and then get fucked cuz you never see orange

[ebon grail]

you can get reds until you get orange tho

[glad ermine]

thats assuming you're lucky enough to get an orange at the start, once you get the first one is decently easy if you get rid of red and green

[glad ermine]

well obviously lol

[ebon grail]

I wish they said no and actually had some insane build

1 mil ehp build

[vast cairn]

Orange gets more rare the longer the run

So you are still not going to get it lol

[ebon grail]

tru

[vast cairn]

Makes no sense for it to be more rare why is that a thing

[fathom gale]

earlier i did this

used all reds and greens (had rainbow from the start) got 0 orangees the entire run (40+ challenges)

could have gone longer but i just gaveup

[glad ermine]

yeah unless you have an orange at the start it’s practically impossible to get an orange even after using all the reds and greens.. unless you have insane luck at one point

[ebon grail]

I would have given up after 14

[glad ermine]

same

[fathom gale]

i usualy give up after 10 but i wanted to push it for once to see what happens

some times i giveup after 6 tbh

[ebon grail]

same

if I keep getting trash beacons

[raven bramble]

Eh sometimes I make it to around 30

[little olive]

Can we get patchnotes for this shadowpatch?

[fathom gale]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[void nova]

I mean it’ll help let me know if crimson effigy’s spawn issue is fixed yet

[fathom gale]

maybe they are doing shadowpatches to avoid the hotfix 6 incident!

[static solstice]

agreed!!!

[little olive]

I just want to know if they changed mythic rates

[glad ermine]

I'm pretty certain they have, we will have to wait till Friday when a bunch of ppl do runs and we can make a conclusion from that. But I have done 3 runs today, all around 80ish pulls, 10rr each, and got not a single mythic and besides that it seemed i got way less LE rewards, from the 30 pulls the highest LE reward was 12LE lol.. maybe its rng but something smells fishy as they did have another shadowpatch

and im not complaining if they have nerfed it, but it would be nice to know lol

[half pike]

yikes

[glad ermine]

i will do some more runs later, so maybe my guess could be wrong

[half pike]

bad mythic rates

buff em cts ong

[glad ermine]

XD

[sleek valley]

nop

they were not

[little olive]

ok

[half pike]

where patch notes 🙏

[sleek valley]

i think it's a bunch of small dev-side bugfixes, + a change for aqua beacons where picking a rainbow cancels the aqua stack

[unreal robin]

My question is who was asking for this? Who asked for aquas to be nerfed even more cause I didn’t see a single person say how this is a “good change”

[fathom gale]

i dont think they care about anyone's opinion

i bet next hotfix they will probably place a cap on how many beacons choices you can have like 5 max or smth

[unreal robin]

It’s like the add a feature and then the longer the feature is in the game the worse and worse they make it. Like tna why can I lose soul point and my items when I’m doing a raid. Imo it makes tna way more annoying and pushes people to not do the content. I can’t imagine next update the release fruma and completely gut anything fun about the LR system.

Like people had to complain about forgery for months for anything to be addressed and still the mythic pity rates are probably ass

Doing 50+ forgery runs for a mythic is ridiculous to me

[glad ermine]

forgery was never intended to be a way to get mythics, its there just cus its cool

you do forgery for xp..

[unreal robin]

Disagree with that. You do scrap yard for xp why can’t they accept people mostly do forgery for the mythic

[sleek valley]

imo forgery shouldnt have mythics at all, 'cause it's never going to be as good as other methods, and i'd rather see forgery get something unique to it

[glad ermine]

^^

[fathom gale]

nah people do forgery for the guild objective 😼

[glad ermine]

why would you want to do forgery for mythics when lr is the main thing for it

[unreal robin]

Why do you classify it as a xp method when it’s not nearly as good as other methods. Youre logic makes no sense but you feel that way about mythics

[glad ermine]

doesn't make much sense, and like lexnt said i would rather see it have something cool added to it and tbh mythics should not be obtainable from it

[little olive]

Forgery is pretty good for xp

[glad ermine]

scrap yard xp grinding = boring, doing forgery and caves for xp is GOOD.. and fun

[teal radish]

well, before 2.0.3….fun
but now lootrunning is actually fun, so…lol

[sleek valley]

forgery, as designed, was for xp & the dungeon specific items

[unreal robin]

But that’s not what it’s used for

[sleek valley]

you can argue that it doesnt work well for that nowadays

but thats what it was made to do

[fathom gale]

yeah if only lring didnt get less and less fun with each hotfix

[unreal robin]

Players said I disagree with this design and value something else

[half pike]

yeah now its mythics and xp

[teal radish]

still more fun than forgery

[half pike]

and it doesnt even give xp at the start

[fathom gale]

absolutely

[half pike]

camps are the least fun thing i have done and ive done ahc

[fathom gale]

watching paint dry is more fun than forgery

[teal radish]

lmao ok

[half pike]

ahc isnt actually that bad but its the only one thats not thought of as great off the top of my head

ponr ig

[unreal robin]

Also for people to do “forgery runs” they have to be lvl 96 like who the fuck “needs” xp then that can’t grind at scrapyard

[half pike]

lots of people like ponr despite the bugs

[unreal robin]

That’s why the xp thing make’s literally no sense to me

[half pike]

(also who tf is bringing up scrapyard that sucks ong)

[unreal robin]

Me cause it’s 20x better for xp so why are devs set on forgery being a “mostly for xp” thing. It makes no sense to me

[fathom gale]

forgery being for xp would be nice if it actualy gave good xp

[half pike]

yeah actually for xp its not bad it just sucks like llevigar spiders or waterfall (there is better)

[half pike]

doesnt get better than grindspots until like cuc or smth

gotta get buffed

as of when that person did the test at like just before 2.0 release lul

[unreal robin]

I’d rather the dev team just accept some people want to grind forgery for mythic and not lr. Why do you force players to only grind in one specific why because you nerf rates so extremely in every part of the game besides one place

[fathom gale]

people unironicaly want to do forgery..?

[half pike]

ikr

or what about lootrunning instead of camps

[unreal robin]

Yes I use to speedrun forge before lr update

[fathom gale]

i legit found old lootruning more "fun" than forgery

[teal radish]

wtf

[half pike]

and i find camps worse than both lul!

[fathom gale]

fun is a stretch but i was falling asleep less while lring than forgery

[half pike]

#1129116199083581562 message

none are fun but some are worse than others

[unreal robin]

For me it’s about trying to be faster and faster. It’s all about speed tactics

[fathom gale]

as far as im concerned the only fun thing in wynn so far are the lr camps but they keep getting gutted so there is that

[half pike]

if they made beacons good camps would probably be decent

[unreal robin]

Idk the camps get more repetitive to me pretty quick

[fathom gale]

wdym ?

[half pike]

but idk how it would happen

ive mentioned it a few times just a sec

^

[teal radish]

more unique curses would be good too

[fathom gale]

wha..? so you just want them to revert to old lootruns ?

[half pike]

i like having choices

[fathom gale]

what kind of choices

[half pike]

and you cant really call beacons choices because "oh you decide between a yellow and a white"

wdym

[teal radish]

we do need more beacons

there isn’t much choice with the current beacons I’ll give you that

[fathom gale]

are you saying that you want there to be multiple ways/strategies for using beacons ?

that sure sounds nice but they cant even balance around 1 strategy much less multiple ones

[unreal robin]

Honestly I wish they would just remove yellow they are just useless

That or give me a chance to find LE or something in it, they just suck to aqua stack yellow for nothing

[silver siren]

Yea the forgery specific rewards that are there already are a cool idea….. too bad they aren’t that good

Oh my I am 20 mins behind the convo

[half pike]

or make yellow affect end reward chest

i thought it did originally and was confused why people disliked it so much

[silver siren]

I wish my cat would affect reward chests

She doesn’t have a job, doesn’t pay rent, screams at me, and makes stinky poops, least she could do is get me a mythic or 2

[unreal robin]

Tru

[teal radish]

Cat Beacon

• 100 End Reward Pulls
  Your chat will be spammed with meows for the rest of the lootrun

[elder crane]

My chat is already filled with meowing femboys

[glad ermine]

fr

[fierce patio]

imagine how shamans feel

[little olive]

you know you can do forgery runs without 8/8 dungeons?

[unreal robin]

I wouldn’t call that a forgery run then…

[elder crane]

????

[unreal robin]

You open 2 chests you call that a lootrun? I wouldn’t

Doing 1/8 dungeons isn’t a forgery run imo

[elder crane]

so when CGG wasn't in the game
that wasn't a Forgery Run?

[unreal robin]

Yes when you could only do 7/8, ya

When you could do 7/7 then you finished a run..

When you speedrun forgery you don’t just do 5/8, you didn’t complete the run….

Like what

How is this hard to comprehend

[elder crane]

are the people you're arguing with right now real?

[modern pier]

To be fair when someone has said "forgery run" ive always thought they meant 1 run of each dungeon

[teal radish]

they’ll make a noise too

[modern pier]

If they say "forgery" on the other hand, it can be whatever

[untold bison]

This would be awesome

[elder crane]

Giving Forgery something unique would require Dev Time (impossible)
And Lootruns also already have both Mythics and a shit ton of unique Fableds

The issue is that Lootruns are better in general
They're Free, have easy access Mythics, have unique Fableds, have Runes, Keys and Emeralds also Powders and Ingredients from chests mid LR

You could go the boring way and nerf LRs, but that would just make an average player never bother with them
So instead you'd want to make Forgery more appealing, but how?

[untold bison]

The idea hasn't even reached the discussion phase bro

[elder crane]

ok?

[unreal robin]

Sometimes I really try to talk here then I remember half the people in the discord are on the first class at lvl 42 and think their opinions hold the same weight as the players who are actually dealing with the subject at hand

[elder crane]

Damn your ego must rival the size of yo momma

[hollow oak]

i jut want to add on to the corkus vs lutho lootrun debate, i think that the 8 challengs thing isnt that bad, the less time from challenges arent that bad, but the y level not being shown on beacons sucks for both lootrun areas, and is possibly worse in se.(btw i use a funny "dps" guardian build to lootrun so that may impact some opinions)

the 8 challenges thing in corkus really isnt that bad, cuz you wont get a long run anwyays unless u get orange or red beacons early on which lutho also has the same problem with and the two more challenges dont really mmatter as much as people think(sure its helpful but it most likely wont be a run saver)

also for people worried about you getting less time fromm each white challenge its not a big deal as you can easily reach the 15 min timer limit in corkus in the beginning because of the weaker mobs in the start.(more easily than se imo)
also red beacons are your main source of extra challenges anyways so 🖕

for the people losing their shit on elevation not being shown on beacons(which is annoying) it onnly really impacts like 2 areas in corkkus and its not that bad, these are th avos animation totem challenge + the slay mobs one in the tunnel right above it(whic u can just check the slay mobs one first before jumping down for the animation totem one). The other area with this issue is the 2 challenges in the avos area, the kill the miniboss objectivee behind it, and the mildy annoying aqua beacon lookalike from the uth shrine(speficially the slay mobs one with the red totem guys, the destroy the objective one, and the kill the piratre captain guy on the hill one).
however in se i think this problem has a greatrer impact, as the 2-3 areas it impacts are a lot more annoying to deal with(im abotu to runn out of character space so i ddont give a swag about explaining it if ya know ya know)

sorry f this jhas already been talkd to death i just keeep seeing this arguement appear whenever i check this thread so uyeah

long ass paragraph jumpscare

also is it just me or do yoou not get any greens after like 50+ challenges

[fathom gale]

greens are limited to 10 per run

[hollow oak]

wtf!!

time to aqua boost them to innfinity

[glad ermine]

i ain’t reading alat

[hollow oak]

me too
just read the first sentence
it summarizes all the points

[fathom gale]

??

[unreal robin]

Bro will say that then continue to talk like his opinion or valid in the convo

[glad ermine]

there’s no full stops, there is no sentence

[fathom gale]

does bro even know how half the beacons work

[hollow oak]

no i have dementia

[glad ermine]

dude is mad alat

[hollow oak]

just read the first paragraph(it is one sentence)

[unreal robin]

Like bruh can’t read lmao

[glad ermine]

theoretically there is still no sentence XD

[hollow oak]

i will add a period(I DONT WANNA FORMAT THIS SHIT WRAHHHHH)

[glad ermine]

it’s all good lol

[glad ermine]

who is this guy?

[hollow oak]

ok i formatted it anyways 🖕
poorly anways

[unreal robin]

I wish they’d tell you how far away camps are, I’d like to know if I’m running across all of corkus, it would change my routing a lot pretty often if I knew certain colors were closer or not

[fathom gale]

artemis are doing that

[hollow oak]

wtf i jut said i hate this game and it deleted my message
racist gamef frfr

[elder crane]

I hate this game

[hybrid frigate]

Why not both

[hollow oak]

more uniqiue forgery items sounds nice
we alr have stuff like gales sight n stuff

why not add mroe :)))))

[sleek valley]

imo mythics being the only super valuable reward from anywhere is a little boring

[hybrid frigate]

Well, mythics are boring

I hope there are more challenges added in the middle of the roads next shadowpatch

[hollow oak]

also do we know what area is getting a loootrun camp next?

[gentle grail]

Bc nothing else rlly has much purpose in endgame besides mythics lol

[ocean forge]

anything that past 80+ lvl?

rodo, sky and cotl?

[unreal robin]

Add better and more rare fables…

[teal radish]

add a new rarity between fabled and mythic

[young ore]

hows a fable gonna be more rare than another

[regal plank]

Should add Imaginary Items. They’re so rare that they’re impossible to get, but still something to hope for

[teal radish]

I guess they mean like lootrun exclusive ones?

[young ore]

👃

[teal radish]

that would be a great idea! item team wouldn't even have to bother balancing them!

[regal plank]

Exactly! There’d be basically no work for IMs

[trim elbow]

that'd be funny actually
imagine if they added a second shiny mythic to each pool that had a 0% pull rate

[teal radish]

and you don’t know which one has the 0% pull rate

shiny rev with dungeons won and shiny idol with mobs killed

shiny idol is the 0% one

[silver siren]

Kind of like how some legendaries aren’t even on tm but are tradeable ig?

[unreal robin]

Raid specific loot, forgery specific loot. Dungeon rain specific loot, daily specific loot, guild objective specific loot. Have tons and tons of different loot pools that have different weight and rarity to them….

[silver siren]

Loot specific loot that only drops if you have this item in your inventory

[unreal robin]

Those stupid 15% loot bonus but 30% extra dmg charms. Imo I think they are like super useless but if they gave you access to a new “loot table” that would be epic imo and worth it to grind all of the separate charms

[trim elbow]

those go up to 39%, and they weren't 39% loot bonus lol they were x1.39 loot

significant difference and they weren't useless at all lmfao

[glad ermine]

FR

[unreal robin]

wait wat?

see its hard to know when something is just adding +15% or x15%

[unreal robin]

bro used like 14 super reactions

[fathom gale]

bruh did something happen to grey

i cant at all get it to line up with aqua anymore

it feels like grey appears every 2 turns or some shit like that now

[teal radish]

It can’t appear twice in a row

[alpine forum]

wait can grey beacon no longer come back after you see it once??

or is it just that you cannot get grey becon back to back if you skip it

[trim elbow]

you can't get gray beacon back to back if you skip it

[short cave]

every other aqua cycle should always have a proper gray lined up with it

assuming your not runnning a shit run

[little olive]

Only if you always get all beacons

[short cave]

yeah that was the second comment

[neon slate]

give lr mobs cci (you'll barely notice it)

[unreal robin]

dont

[neon slate]

[stable pecan]

the statue necropolis challenge in question:

[little olive]

Are loot pools random or does staff/ct have some influence on them?

[sleek valley]

random

[hybrid frigate]

When idol is in the pool it randomly has to be replaced sooner

[fathom gale]

i think it should be obvious that idol pool getting reset wasnt on purpose

if they cared about the economy they wouldnt have kept mythic rates as abyssmaly high as they are in the first place

[vocal stone]

@gentle grail @fart

[silver siren]

NUH UH IT’S OBVIOUSLY A CT COVERUP BECAUSE ALL CT HAVE A BUNCH OF IDOLS TO SELL AND THEY DON’T WANT THE PRICE TO GO DOWN!!!! /s

Carry me in nameless raid guy said something like that unironically lmao

[fathom gale]

😭

[silver siren]

He was like “If CT are smart then they have a bunch of idols sitting in the bank to sell like me” I was like “Bro what the fuck are you on”

CT don’t even play the game why would they care about selling a mythic lmao

[half pike]

the funny thing is iirc stuff along those lines has happened before

[trim elbow]

yeah and now they’re no longer ct

[half pike]

really?

i thought they were unpunished but maybe it was just delayed a bunch

[silver siren]

Obviously it’s going to happen and has happened but in this specific Idol case there was a very logical reason for it

It happens in like every MMO at one point

[trim elbow]

only CT that goes unpunished for scamming is tealy

[silver siren]

looks at Runescape Mod Jed

[silver siren]

Delete that before the Wynncraft mafia finds you

I think what he does is allowed

[half pike]

ambrosia hunters

[trim elbow]

zzzz they can’t do anything to me

[half pike]

yeah it is allowed

[silver siren]

It can be scammy but I would rather loan from Tealy than some other person, especially now that he’s CT

[trim elbow]

lmfao that’s a terrible idea but ok

[silver siren]

Unless you don’t mean Loans, he has a number of services

[half pike]

i mean like loans are just weird

but some of the other services gambling are literally just scams

[silver siren]

Also don’t take loans in Wynncraft lmao, just run TNA or something lol

And don’t level profs to make money, literally a waste of money and time

[half pike]

who was it?

i forgot

[trim elbow]

idk!

[silver siren]

It’s a coverup by the FWBI!

[fathom gale]

yeah people arent smart enough not to do that

we are talking about the same people that hystericaly started selling warps for 2-3 stx as if its the end of the world

[woeful grail]

Some do
Very few
(Linnyflower)

[rare sedge]

(LeTritonious)

oomy too

[stable pecan]

lootrunning last night with a 10x dark gray active
oculism randomly messages me betting 1le if I beat the current challenge
because I had been there for a somewhat concerning amount of time

[cloud mulch]

who have i scammed though

bro knows literally nothing about what I do

[cunning verge]

and now he's banned

[cunning verge]

no clue why youd punish someone for something they havent done (yet)

[lone leaf]

great idea guys what if the entire item team pooled their money to buy the hit item discoverer at dirt cheap prices and then we gave it two thousand loot bonus

[teal radish]

would still suck

[lone leaf]

ratio

[teal radish]

it’s funny how disco is the worst mythic now

[lone leaf]

yeah it really sucks lmfao

[cunning verge]

disco major id

chest refills instantaneously

[lone leaf]

guh..

[cunning verge]

actually

ok this might be broken as fuck but chests are automatically set to their 18h (or 3d) timer when opened

[lone leaf]

it would be insanely jank

[cunning verge]

it would be

[cloud mulch]

💀

invalidate lootrunning with this 1 simple trick! (admins HATE IT!)

[cunning verge]

No no it'd be good for lootrunning because chests only reset when you get that cave or you wait out the timer

meaning lootrunning with discoverer would be based (I am not saying this is a good idea)

(this is in fact a wretched awful idea)

[teal radish]

imo chests during spelunks should just do that by default

(be 3 day)

[cunning verge]

[trim elbow]

would be nice but also hella abusable

[teal radish]

how is that abusable

it’s only during spelunks

so just a buff to their rewards

they could be made harder, which is something that should be done anyway

[stable pecan]

corkus quarry in question

[teal radish]

ok not corkus quarry

most of SE besides lantern keeper

and like 2 or 3 corkus caves

[soft thicket]

Lantern keeper is very cheesable

[teal radish]

yeah killing horse with lantern keeper ik

[soft thicket]

Whatever the one slime cave hole in the forest is is harder

[teal radish]

they’ll probably fix cheeses though

[soft thicket]

At least to cheese

[stable pecan]

place coalesced is def easier than no cheese lantern keeper
(also you can't even cheese lantern keeper on some classes...)

[soft thicket]

There’s so much cheese, every se challenge except void hole arena, eyeball forest slime cave, and the one invisible parkour cave has cheese

That I know of

[teal radish]

the hard part of that is the slime things on wall, not the boss

I think the boss should be harder and the slime things do less damage but still be annoying

[stable pecan]

oh you were talking about gwanari
uh
just run past the wall turrets 👍

[soft thicket]

It’s not cheese tbh

[teal radish]

they’re in the boss room

[soft thicket]

You can cheese lantern keeper on every class, some are just slow

[teal radish]

the boss of Gwanari is way too squishy tho

[stable pecan]

I'm not about to try cheesing lantern keeper by only using smoke bomb dps

[soft thicket]

assassin smoke bomb

Assassin is cheese incarnate

It has vanish and clones

[trim elbow]

jasmine bloom:

[soft thicket]

Acrobat lootrunning 😭

[stable pecan]

eyeball spire is def one of my least favorites
destroy objective placed on an awkward to hit ledge without cheese
gurana moments
and sometimes the cheese doesn't even work because one of the mobs (forget which) has a push or pull spell

[trim elbow]

scion

also the cheese always works if you go on the higher eye

[teal radish]

destroy objectives need to be scaled down, they’re way too time consuming with how many there are

[stable pecan]

also, defend objectives actually being made easier with curses, since they apply to the objective too for whatever reason
90%DR defend objectives

[teal radish]

wait seriously??? lmao

[hollow oak]

bro didnt recognize the 1 million health statues

[neon slate]

bro the wisdom of unknownnerdminer has been scattered to wynncraft discord users after his demise

[terse scroll]

I miss chests as full as these…

[bronze prism]

for a minute I was like "dude that's just a good T4 nowadays and then I looked at the tier

[fathom gale]

but thats empty..

nah even for tier 1 its not THAT full

[thorny glacier]

challenge chests easily get that full, if not more

[fathom gale]

not with emeralds..

challenge chests can easily be completely full with rare/legenary items and then have 5 emeralds..

[terse scroll]

Usually I don’t see any good amount of emeralds or higher tier items in that quantity

Just crafting ingredients and rares

[thorny glacier]

kind hard now that long runs are dead i guess

[terse scroll]

lmao

[thorny glacier]

but otherwise ud have like 200% loot bonus and 60% loot quality from boons easily

[fathom gale]

tf? are you aqua stacking yellows or smth

[terse scroll]

no I’m just unlucky ig

[fathom gale]

i mean if you arent using yellows or have LB LQ boons dont expect full chests

[terse scroll]

well it’s also just lootrunning areas I haven’t looted since the update started, and I expected to see full chests.. then the first T1 chest I open has like 5 emeralds and a unique

[half pike]

fr

chests suck

please fix cts

[pastel kiln]

Separate different types of things in the new book. Maybe a different page/section for caves, discoveries, quests etc.

[teal radish]

you can sort by all those

[pastel kiln]

Oh cool il check that out (sorry I'm used to the old book)

[modern pier]

Yall that complain on chests are you running with lb lq build or nah

[half pike]

no ofc not

we are being realistic

[bright sage]

i have run it with lb lq build but its still reallyyy ass

[static parcel]

we trapped nmw in a different thread, post all your ideas without fear of being told they’re bad 5 seconds after posting them

[fathom gale]

man i fucking hate the eyeball gauntlet so much

i aqua stacked and then i get kicked out of the eyeball gauntlet cave so my chat geets greyed out and now i cant use the rerolls

and if i class out my aqua stacks just vanish

(wait nvm classing doesnt seem to reset aqua stacks anymore we good)

i still hate eye gauntlet cave tho.. fuck that cave

[half pike]

moment

havent seen any issues in person with it but ive heard its had problems

[fathom gale]

almost every time i enter that cave il get kicked mid chest opening and some times even force close the chest.. i just hope it doesnt happen with a mythic inside cuz that will be depressing

[half pike]

odd

[sage mulch]

the max party size being 8 now should be reverted to be 16

[fathom gale]

what even was the purpose of that change

[sage mulch]

idfk

[fathom gale]

literaly a big ol middle finger to xp grinders out of nowhere

[unreal robin]

i feel its class dependent, no problems on my shaman tons of problems on my mage

[fathom gale]

Hmm yeah that makes sense

Its probably the teleporting

Il stop teleporting inside to see if it keeps happening

[fathom gale]

happens even if i just walk in

conclusion: FUCK EYE GAUNTLET CAVE

[modern pier]

Did CT ever state why they changed it to 8

I never understood that change

Unless they just wanted to nerf grind spots? Which I can get behind

[fathom gale]

i believe it was in the patchnotes

[half pike]

oh odd, ive only done it in camps on archer

wynncraft seems to just really hate grinders which is very skull

[hybrid frigate]

Grind party lag too much (the server can't handle 2 ice snakes cast at the same time)

[thorny glacier]

just insta pick the mythic up

[fathom gale]

filter 😭

[little olive]

Which one is eyeball spire?

[stable pecan]

just to the right of the gwanari on the small boulder

[little olive]

Oh

Thats easy af, just stand on the tree and damage it (+ hope for good tree rotation in your current patch )

[woeful grail]

It wasnt
Why would it ever be?

[fathom gale]

idk i could have sworn i saw it mentioned somewhere

[half pike]

this is wynn

we are all about bad shadowpatches

[fierce patio]

tree rotation?

[little olive]

The tree next to it is a profession tree and those randomly change orientation every patch

[fierce patio]

ohhh that makes so much sense

i was wondering why i would see the leaves of trees change in areas i hadnt been to in a while since i use a mod that has extended render distances

[half pike]

thats weird, do any others?

[sleek valley]

all prof trees

[teal radish]

I remember that making a specific chest in sky islands impossible to get to

[half pike]

are they manually updated or smth?

thats weird af, kinda neat

[little olive]

No, its random

[half pike]

huh

[raven bramble]

Eye Gauntlet Cave def needs a touch on where in the chest location where it sends you back... in fact why does it even send you back in the first place?

[half pike]

doesnt happen to me on archer, what class are you on?

[raven bramble]

Warrior

It seems like if you go too far to the edges of the back portion of the cave

It can send you back, however this seems to be like... an occasional thing. Sometimes when I go to that same spot, nothing happens

[little olive]

The only potential reason i could see for this is that all eyes in your inventory are reset when you take the normal exit and that they want to prevent that for some reason

[raven bramble]

But it did mess up my one run cause it was a green beacon and I went to open the last chest and it sent me outside of the cave

[sleek valley]

each patch it randomly picks an appearance/rotation for each tree. this used to happen constantly but is now once per patch

[half pike]

weird

[raven bramble]

Or well, outside the chest portion of the cave

Although granted, got my Lament from the run, but still was like: Man... that run could've gone a bit longer

[teal radish]

I’ve never been sent out of the cave, but I get sent right outside of the chest room sometimes

[silver siren]

Smh bug abuse!

[fathom gale]

thatsa exctly the anoying part cuz it can force close the chests

[silver siren]

Classic

[unreal robin]

Marq test if it messes with you on other classes, I think it’s a mage only thing

[fathom gale]

no

i dont like using other classes

[light pivot]

when i did it before the update which added it to lootrun beacon pool during a lootrun i got sent out of the room with the chests into the eye putting in part but the door was still open so i went back in

that was on warrior

[fathom gale]

lootruns arent good for raw?

https://tenor.com/view/who-decided-that-escanor-seven-deadly-sins-gif-23520817

[little olive]

Happens to me on archer

[little olive]

How many pulls?

[unreal robin]

eek

[trim elbow]

I've had eyeball gauntlet push me out on warrior and assassin as well

[ocean forge]

lemme guess, 150-170 pulls?

[untold bison]

Lowering party size isnt gonna help lol

[half pike]

yes but like but then there will be 2 8 player parties instead of 1 16 player party

this will totally fix lag issues

[unreal robin]

bro eye cave takes WAY TO FUCKING LONG

its so annoying and inconvient

let the eyes auto be put it, like you need 6 invintory slot the eyes glitch out if you spam them too fast half the time the cave kicks you out, its actually the fucking worse

also tons of people are begging for grandmaster starting with 3 beacno options, everytime i start a lootrun i feel like shit i fucking hate having only 2 options with the weight of blues purples and yellow being so fucking much. genially feels like ass to me

[bronze prism]

was eye cave entered into the rotation for lootrun caves and now people are finding out the reasons it was excluded

[unreal robin]

exlcude it again plz and ty

also some more fast travel to get from end to end would be nice, running from the farthest camp to fathest camp really just sucks honestly

especuially corkus imo

[ocean peak]

I don’t think eye gauntlet is particularly egregious

it’s the longest spelunk, sure, but it still isn’t any longer than most slays and defends so overall it doesn’t change much

as for location, both of the new olmic challenges are worse in regards of travel time so it’s not even the worst there either

[unreal robin]

bruh the eye holes are way to small to get into if you have jumo hight, it takes up so much invitory just to pick up the eyes and interact with them. god ferbit you accident dont trigger the camp and have to do it 2x

its awful mimo

[ocean peak]

it takes an extra second to fall into the eye hole

[unreal robin]

with olypia is extremly hard to get into the slot espaiclly if you have doublke viaon with 4 jump hight

i have the croushc jumpo and even then it takes 2-3 times sometimes

[ocean peak]

don’t hold your olympic when trying to get in then???

[unreal robin]

doublke vision +4

[ocean peak]

it’s just 4 jump height it’s not bad

[unreal robin]

it is

[ocean peak]

I hate to say it but genuinely skill issue

[unreal robin]

again if you dont crousch its hard af and even then its annoyign

its not when you are trying to save 6-15 seconds like that shit is har and unnecarrly annyoing

[untold bison]

Wait

Are you using dvision and oly

[unreal robin]

yus

[untold bison]

That's fire

[unreal robin]

makes gwtting arond easier majoity of the time

]until they add a small ass 2 by 1

[ocean peak]

please spend a couple more seconds when typing messages out

[untold bison]

I recommend Gales sight

[unreal robin]

bruh if you cant comprehend w is next to e its not my fault

[unreal robin]

use cancer in my build

[untold bison]

wfa oly dvision lr

[unreal robin]

basically

[ocean peak]

you not being able to jump in a still hole is not CT’s fault either

[unreal robin]

them having an outdated design is

poobis ur being unnecarrly weird bu trying to imply all of this is a skill issue, its just designed bad

[untold bison]

I'm surprised you're not struggling with the eye mobs

Might take you 2 hits to kill blinding eye

[unreal robin]

not the mobs at all just trying to get into the slots and interac ting with they eye with my inv is super annoying imo

[untold bison]

Is your inv full of jump height food

[unreal robin]

spped surges

and powder and like other stuff

[untold bison]

I see

[unreal robin]

like i have 9 free slots and i need to use 6!!!!!!! of those just to do a challenge

dont even get me started trying to hold extra magma cream or stone from the other challages

or the anchient keys

[untold bison]

Your skin is hella dope

But you ain't need the t4 powders ngl...

[unreal robin]

ty, i wanna see if they will be worth to sell if i convert them

to tier 6

[untold bison]

ig?

[unreal robin]

i think t6 powder sell for 1 le each rn

[vast cairn]

Eye cave is annoying, sure. but I still think corkus caves are significantly more annoying lol

[fathom gale]

I think it was 95

[half pike]

new corkus caves doom

[unreal robin]

anyone else think 75 pages of mythics is kinda crazy

[fathom gale]

it sure is

[unreal robin]

also does double charm do anything or am i wasting a slot?

[sleek valley]

if its the same charm, youre wasting a slot

[unreal robin]

ty

[fathom gale]

huh wdym? did they shadow patch new challenges?

[sleek valley]

shouldnt have

[unreal robin]

i do agree tho corkus caves kina suck they take like 2x longre on avg i feel like

[half pike]

they changed in 2.0 iirc

[fathom gale]

oh thats what u were talking about

yeah i stoped lootruning corkus the moment they changed the caves in 2.0 lmao

and its even worse with lootrun camps cuz mobs are strong on top of anoying and frustrating labyrinths caves

[light pivot]

ye SE caves are mostly just come in and murder

and from what i saw with corkus the 3 billion years ago when i did some of the caves was they were very different

[fathom gale]

corkus caves in a nutshell: go in, kill X amount of mobs to open chest 1 out of 3 then go in do parkour to open chest 2 out of 3 and then kill some more mobs for chest 3 after runing around for a bit

there are like 3 or 4 caves that are basicaly like this

[unreal robin]

Ya corkus imo takes about like 40% more to remember everything, after 10 runs I felt I remembered mostly everything tho

I can’t imagine trying to learn sky islands when they come out ima commit I swear

[fathom gale]

sky is so much easier than corkus..

[light pivot]

damm

[fathom gale]

i actualy want sky islands more than anything else including SE

[light pivot]

corkus lootruns are a pain ill just stay on SE

[light pivot]

gonna be fun for the flying archetypes

[fathom gale]

il only go corkus for shiny fatal/warp

[light pivot]

same

[unreal robin]

Me as a shamman ima cry

[fathom gale]

otherwise i aint touching that shithole

[light pivot]

im now warp enjoyer u made me warp enjoyer marqn

[fathom gale]

W

[light pivot]

thanks again for the build

[unreal robin]

I like warp a ton aswel it’s just to glassy for me to lr with, I hate not having heal for lring

[light pivot]

i mean i dont think ill like lightbender especially for lootrunning

not enough AOE dmg id like to not spend 10 years on every challenge

maybe with riftwalker but idk how fast winded stacks up when u get the ice snake giving it too upgrade cuz never used it

[fathom gale]

btw i changed my build a bit specificaly for lootruning, feels nicer to use early untill you get boons now (better sustain and slightly better ehp)

[unreal robin]

How do you deal with the hpr while also having dmg?

[light pivot]

gib pls

[light pivot]

i mean marqn pretty clearly has done that

cuz from what im feeling so far the build he gave me has pretty nice dmg

[fathom gale]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=4#8_02709-0D407W0Fx0Fx0x40Ji0R10l0U1D0U2M1g1000FU01000FU1006FU1007lU0z150+0+0+0+0sllodpF+5
WynnBuilder build:

Aquamarine
Conduit of Spirit
Dark Shroud
Capricorn
Facile
Facile
Succession
Contrast
Warp [a6a6a6]
(Has Tomes)
this one requires an extra sp tome

can also use summa if you want even more sustain but i doubt you'd need it

[light pivot]

dam not full mythic tomes so sad

[unreal robin]

I guess just slightly to glassy for me; my shaman has 75k ehp which makes me feel much safer

[light pivot]

how will i use my apparently insane mythic tome luck

[fathom gale]

well i do make these for myself and since i only have 1 mythic cyclonic it works

[light pivot]

i have 3 mythic weapon tomes on my warrior pls help

[fathom gale]

i have 1 of each elemental mythic..

cant get a second cyclonic or voltaic at all ( i havent done tna in 50 years)

[fathom gale]

i just spent like 1 stx on aquamarines and succesions so i can heal 3 hpr per tick while holding warp

moment

[light pivot]

dam

u say there is a new build after i totally didnt spend like a half a stack or more on 2 pretty nice ingress

so sad i will financially recover from this

[light pivot]

red spell dmg on aquamarine verysad

[fathom gale]

yeah but getting the exact HPR i need while also havind good MR and spell is hard

i have a much better aquamarine but cant use it cuz succesion hpr moment

[light pivot]

true

[fathom gale]

i lose 2-3 hp with this one 😔

[light pivot]

dam

i mean it isnt that bad a loss

ill prob stay on the older build tho

[fathom gale]

nah i need the added swag points for being able to afk with warp in hand

[light pivot]

has slightly more dmg in tomeless form and i can fine tune my hpr with 1 or 2 everlasting tomes

[light pivot]

u can afk with a warp in hand with negative hpr if ur not scared of death

[fathom gale]

i mostly changed it for sustain so i can spam more

[light pivot]

anyway gtg for a sec

[little olive]

Wouldt natural hor canceo out the negative hpr anyway at some point?

[fathom gale]

no cuz it would just get fliped by the negative % hpr and get even worse

i still dont get how the math works for me to be healing 3 hp per hpr tick but im not complaining

[light pivot]

cuz natural non id health regen exists

[little olive]

You should read touhokus hpr forum thread

[light pivot]

thats the 3 hp per tick prob

[little olive]

True hpr moment

[fathom gale]

hpr is scary and complicated 😰

[woeful grail]

Same lol
Altho i perfectly canceled it to 0

[light pivot]

ill just grind tcc until i get perfect 0 with 1 or 2 everlasting tomes

cuz i can

[fathom gale]

I rather spend a stack or two on aquamarine and successions

[light pivot]

oh i spent a bunch on the ones i got too

[fathom gale]

Especially with how easy it is to get one stack compared to farming tcc

[light pivot]

my hpr is around yellow so i cant get 0 with just armor and accessories

[fathom gale]

I'm just stocking with 4 sorcery tomes, never want to do tcc again

[light pivot]

my aqua and succ are both green in hpr

[fathom gale]

Skill tissue

[light pivot]

tcc is fineeee other than the fact it for some reason loves crashing me in the button room

[light pivot]

meh on other stuff the warp is good enough and i dont loose that much damage if i sacrifice 2 sorcery tomes

[fathom gale]

Technically for lootruns you can just ignore damage all together since boons will get you to the same power regardless if you have 20k or 40k meteors base

[light pivot]

especially true

• i get a bunch of extra damage from dodge if im not a failure

[fathom gale]

Anyway time for me to commit unawake, goodnight

[light pivot]

so im gonna be fine with just 2 sorcery tomes or even 2 everlasting 2 mythic

have sleepp build giver

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-oberon-good-night-quotes-fairy-fairy-king-gif-26986834

[terse scroll]

Yeah… mythics are a bit too common now

I think more fruitful loot from chests with ways to make it feel like you are making lootrunning op would be better, then keep mythics the same rarity so it’s still exciting when you find one

And I would say that this feels and looks better

Than this:

(The mythic is in question, not the other loot)

[unreal robin]

agree

[terse scroll]

For example this idea…https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1134578127427879012

More things that make you feel like you get stronger while lootrunning (in terms of loot and stuff not combat) but keeps mythics rare

[teal radish]

yeah, I miss the purple boxes :(

[terse scroll]

Ye,..

The rush I felt during my first 2.0.3 lootrun was- o my gowsh a mythic.. cool…

Feeling later while 2.0.3 lootrunning but found a purple box:

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[raven bramble]

Honestly as a person who never really got mythics it felt really fun getting my first

[unreal robin]

i wish i could explain the extreme joy compared to before 2.0.3

i remember getting an apoc and being happy for almost 2 full months it even remeber the loot chest i found it in still that was almost 2ish year ago

[vast cairn]

I just get surprised by a chest mythic and then moved on, update didn’t change that for me at least

[silver siren]

Yea, I was never extremely happy about getting a mythic even though I went 2 full years without getting another one after my first. I got a Hero and a Weathered from Forgery and was happy but like, I didn’t care too much

[teal radish]

same, I wrote down the loot chests I got each mythic from, kinda sad that’s gone but oh well

[unreal robin]

Ok I feel REALLY strongly about this. Buff emerald amount in lootchest. The tier 3 should have atleast 32 emerald and tier 4 should have 32-96ish. Imo that would make lootrunning much nicer for me atleast

Having 8 emeralds in a tier 4 is so shitty imo

[teal radish]

agreed, and also just increase the amount of stuff

T4s should be full

[untold bison]

If you didn't loot them every 5 mins theyd have stuff

[teal radish]

3 day T4s can be not full

[bronze prism]

addendum: 3 day T4s can be not full even with very high amounts of loot bonus

[silver siren]

Fun

Wait 3 days to open chest for loot, opens chest for loot
No Loot
Jumps off of Cinfras’ Clocktower

[woeful grail]

Not high enough
Jump off of lutho monolith instead

[silver siren]

Monolith is less height, you could theoretically jump all the way from the top of Cinfras Clocktower to the bottom rocky area by the river under the bridge that connects Cinfras and the guild building

[fathom gale]

just warp teleport to the moon and jump from there

[soft thicket]

Fall into the void from the sky islands

You’ll hit something eventually

[woeful grail]

surely

[unreal robin]

bro who ever said it earlier DYING ON 1 TIME BEACONS FUCKING SUCKS like actually just ruined my entire morning wasting 45 minutes trying to set up a good lr

[light pivot]

does dying on 1 time beacons make the beacon not appear anymore?

[little olive]

Yes

[light pivot]

dam

[little olive]

Cheese harder bro

[unreal robin]

fr if i did wouldnt have happened, stupid eye forrest one where wave attack just stun locks you forever

then you get charged by like 7 dudes

[woeful grail]

ok, tbh, did anyone even see the new pants "Pyrrhic Respite"?

i want to test if its viable in any way but fucking cant because they seem to not exist

[young ore]

I don’t think they’ve been in rotation once yet

[woeful grail]

thats whyt i hate about it

i want to cook mage but cant

[unreal robin]

But like this actually being the only “answer” is the main point THE WAY THEY DO LR NEEDS TO CHANGE IT JUST FUCKING SUCKS SOMETIMES

Most choices are boring as fuck imo. People are about oranges more than rainbows

Starting a new lootrun feels like fucking ass cause you have zero boons or beacon choices

Legit like I kinda fucking hate the new lr system and I fucking do I all the time

Bruh I also have so many thoughts about tna running it again more lately

[teal radish]

the obvious solution is to give TNA beacons

[unreal robin]

Biggest thing why the fuck is 3rd room wave room so fucking long. It takes like 3-5 minutes to get the final boss to spawn I swear for 60% of the room I’m just afk waiting for the waves. Imo if you get 4/5 just have the boss instantly spawn. Waiting around and doing nothing just feels so lame imo. (SAME PROBLEM FOR HAZE CAVE IMO I HATE THAT SHIT)

Real

[teal radish]

fuck haze cave

[unreal robin]

Biggest real ever

[teal radish]

comically easy waiting simulator

[unreal robin]

Me the 6 seconds it takes for eye cave to open

I just hate waiting for no fucking reason when I have to do it over and over and over again

[teal radish]

and you can literally just afk in the first room of haze cave, the toxic clouds do basically no damage

riveting gameplay

[unreal robin]

Then the 8 seconds it takes for the dumb creeper to spawn

[teal radish]

and the creeper also being squishy as fuck

[unreal robin]

You literally waste minimum 45 seconds not talking about combat or running

[hollow oak]

also chests having an animatin after u complete the requirement or killing the mobs or wahtever is pretty annoying as well
less obvious time loss but adds up fo shore

[glad ermine]

that cave should get a buff, you can have 100 curses and it still won’t kill you

toxic clouds do nothing, same with the creeper

[teal radish]

eh I’ve seen the creeper do significant damage, creeper just needs an HP buff

but yeah buff the toxic clouds and remove the waiting

[vocal coral]

same bro same 😭

[fathom gale]

so true

[teal radish]

grilled mage fingers 😋

[vocal coral]

I need to switch to 1.19 so mage doesn't kill my fingers anymore...

[half pike]

how would that change it

can you like hold down left click for spells?

[vocal coral]

1 click instead of 3, though apparently Artemis allows holding to work too which is just nasty

[half pike]

dang how?

i only know macroes and stuff but thats on 1.12.2 too

[fathom gale]

imagine playing macromage

[light pivot]

geyser pit location in content book seems to be off map

yep checked it points to the boss room of the altar instead of the altar

[half pike]

also who tf removed smoke particles from mage

can we get them fired

[unreal robin]

Why does Ct refuse to acknowledge people want 3 beacon options starting

We’ve had like 2 or 3 shadow patches changing lring but they haven’t even addressed how everyone wants to change it to start with 3 options

Also again I use Ct as a general term I really just mean who ever is in charge of lr rn

[modern pier]

Buuns it would be nice if you stopped calling out CT every time you dont get your way

It was fun at first but you cant repeat the same trope 10 times

[half pike]

why do ct keep not acknowledging stuff in general

can we get a ct statement about that or people wanting old chat thanks

[cunning verge]

not our job

[half pike]

yeah ig but like it would be nice for some transparency

[cunning verge]

and it's not like I, who do make an effort to respond to stuff, can give insight on everything

[half pike]

i do get also if things are being discussed people also wouldnt want to talk about it (or if its an item thing and they are build)

[insert nerf toxo copypasta]

[cunning verge]

like for

the 3 beacon thing, what do you even want me to say

like, 'i saw this'?

[half pike]

yeah ig sometimes it is just better to not respond like lexnts response to chat tags

[teal radish]

that wasn’t lex

unless you’re talking about a different response

but the one in triflame’s thread wasn’t lex

[half pike]

oh wtf i thought it was

i might just be blind then

oh it was fey

[teal radish]

yea

[half pike]

ig i read fey as lex or smth?? idk ig it looks similar

[teal radish]

yeah both 3 letters with e in the middle I guess

[little olive]

The Mythic Relik Toxoplasmosis, which is commonly associated with the earth element as it requires strength skill points, which represent earth damage, and deals earth damage and which is available to use for all players of the classes shaman or skyseer on the hit minecraft largest gige ultra mmorpg server wynncraft, is, to be frank, a straight up offense to my basic human intelligence. I expect ct to work hard on mythics and create intricate designs which inspire me to make builds and when i get this new mythic box i am all excited as to what i may get only to realize i have gotten toxoplasmosis, the most boring mythic relik ever. It is based around poison damage, the most boring mechanic in the game which causes me to fall asleep while waiting for hte 5 hp mob to die at the hands opf my next poison tick. This weapon is so hilariously bad it should not be called mythic and to add onto this, i have received a roll of 16&, which is quite honestly just infuriating to think that I, I OF ALL PEOPLE can receive bad rng, i mean its not bad when other get bad rng but ME????? Well, this situation has gotten quite out of hand and I would like to apologize to all human beings with a functioning common sense that have to endure this fascist bovemist dictatorship of the C(orrupt) T(eam) and also want to let this CT, specifically the I(ntelligenceless) M(ooing) s(uckers) know that I am coming to poison them irl to show them what posion should look like in wynncraft.

[teal radish]

LMAO

first time seeing this

[half pike]

wasnt what i was thinking of

[little olive]

would surprise me if it wasnt, i jsut typed all that

[half pike]

YO item team WHERE the Hell are the changes to toxo, How long DOES it take to FIX a weapon ffs. The item team slower than a FROZEN FORT GRIND PARTY WITH NO SCROLLS OR FOOD OR COSMIC ARMOR USERS. SMH SMH SMH. my 3 13k POISON TOXOs ARE NOW WORTH 1/3 of their ORIGINAL PRICE BECAUsE OF u GUYs. SMH SMH SMH

[teal radish]

oh I assumed it was the copypasta slime referred to

[teal radish]

ah

lol

[ruby anchor]

why did i read this in the Steven He voice...

[lost talon]

Join IM team applications are open

[cunning verge]

and get rejected 💔

[little olive]

tbf if a toxo is that bad theres no reason to use it over spleen splitter anyway

[teal radish]

wouldn’t be the first time

(totally talking about ct applications here)

[lost talon]

Loot bonus

[unreal robin]

Tbh yes sometimes that’s all “players” are looking for

[unreal robin]

Don’t let your personally feelings for my character get in the way of an idea being good or not…..

Imo xae your quickly proving to me there is almost zero value in anything you say

[void nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067126100938989638/1126313263815209080/attachment-5-1.gif

[unreal robin]

Idk people who care more about the feelings of discord users vs the actual game is crazy to me

[modern pier]

My feelings for you doesnt change the fact that you hate on CT everyday but you do you

The fact that you say im the one blaming you for that is just a cop out

[unreal robin]

Lmao I just said why can’t they respond

Like that’s what I mean by some soft ass discord users not even in here to talk about the game

If that offends you I don’t know what to say

I’m not here to cater to people feelings I’m here to say why the game is bad and ways of maybe fixing it. Problems need to be addressed before they are fixed I don’t care if I sound like a hater in the process of that

I’m not even here to say how the game is good because that is not the purpose of constructive feedback

[modern pier]

I agree, saying what in the game that works perfect doesnt need to be said. Feedback = Only negative things

[unreal robin]

So wtf is the point of saying some snarky ass thing like this, we all agree the game needs to be changed in certain areas. It’s just useless noice to create drama. Annoying Af to me the people who actively push serious conversations away with this Bs

There’s been like 3 popular threads about beacon options and as far as I’m aware this is the only comment from Ct about it

[unreal robin]

^

Again I use CT as a general term since Wynn doesn’t disclose the direct team that works on what so players just guess

[ocean peak]

Bro is not cooking 😭

[unreal robin]

How?

Like actually how

[sleek valley]

if you want an answer, this suggestion has been seen already

[unreal robin]

See that’s super nice! I think alot of players would appreciate that information alone. Personally I’d really appreciate just 1 step more, is it being talked about or was it denied already?

Just being slightly more open would go so far in my opinion

Basically I don’t want a repeat of Tome storage threads cause someone doesn’t want to confirm an idea “too early”

See 20+ of the same thread with the only response was CT has seen this already was a bit silly, I feel being slightly more transparent would stop stuff like that

[soft thicket]

we need super grandmaster which takes like 500000 lootrun xp and gives +0.01% mythic chance in the final chest

[glad ermine]

cursed photo

[hard heron]

we should just get rid of this channel and make a github

[glad ermine]

we should delete this discord server and move to X

[unreal stratus]

Did you beat it???

[stable pecan]

Almost right when you messaged me really

[cunning verge]

but that is...?

constructive feedback can be both positive and negative

[teal radish]

I like some of the blocks you placed, but there are some I don't like

[hollow oak]

postive feedback will maake devs or im or builders or whatever happy and then less burnout and more motivations and 🤯
society if constructive feedback was constructive feedback

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409588732136521728/1138340785008414821/ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[cunning verge]

You have to be kinder to people. As much as you're so adamant on the idea that you don't have to have a shred of decency that's just not true.

[teal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/be-kind-be-nice-kind-kindness-dr-who-gif-11013344

[hollow oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1006065056452186194/1031320254346973204/togif.gif

ok no more gif

[unreal robin]

I don’t feel any need to be kind to people who randomly @ me and derail the conversation. It’s annoying and when their ideas and very little merit or weight to them it’s super annoying. I don’t see how saying CT hasn’t addressed “whatever thing” is hateful lmao

[teal radish]

https://tenor.com/view/be-kind-be-nice-kind-kindness-dr-who-gif-11013344

[unreal robin]

What is unkind about what I said?

I’m just being honest about something that annoys me I’m sorry my feelings are unkind like lmao I can’t even be annoyed at something anymore

[unreal robin]

Like idk I’d much rather things stay on topic instead of creating some weird discord drama cause you cared more about my tone than the actual message of what I’m trying to say

[cunning verge]

We're not computers exchanging information, we're people. Your tone matters. Nobody's going to care about what you say if all you do is yell at them

[unreal robin]

Bruh who am I yelling at, what with this exaggeration I just asked why can’t Ct address something because didn’t see a single one even acknowledge the idea

It’s wild to me like holy crap

But then you’ll get mad at me saying holy crap and ignoring everything else I’m saying

Like bruh your right I’m not a computer sometimes I’m frustrated

That doesn’t mean everything I say is worth being ignored

[bronze prism]

this is a lesson I'm having to learn too dude.

tone really matters, and if you come off too brusque or question too much shit all that ends up happening is you make people ignore you

even if what you have to say is valuable, or whether it isn't

like, being perfectly honest I've pissed off a lot of people in the team over time about this kind of thing. it really matters

[unreal robin]

Bro I have to go pwetty pwease devs can you please address a problem I have for someone to actually listen

[bronze prism]

attitude matters so much and it's something I still gotta work on. 's tough sometimes but you gotta do it

[bronze prism]

yeah, that's one of the reasons I got so direct and repetitious about things and all it did was lead to people ignoring me. the squeaky wheel does not necessarily get the grease

[unreal robin]

Wow

That’s fundamentally crazy to me

You’ll just ignore forgery cause someone was rude about it

Like what?!?

[bronze prism]

one of the reasons I have trouble with it is that it doesn't make so much sense to me either. I have difficulty logicking it out but emotions aren't necessarily logical

even if feedback is rude though, it isn't that we don't take it into account

[cunning verge]

If your parent was trying to tell you something as a child and they were frustrated and yelling it at you do you think you'd listen

[bronze prism]

not responding =/= we didn't see it or we are going to specifically NOT try and improve that thing

[unreal robin]

The players aren’t your parents???

[bronze prism]

it's a hypothetical, not a literal

[cunning verge]

really. do you genuinely think that if you were at some public venue and a guy came along and wanted to talk to you but just yelled at you and was rude to you that you'd have any care about it

you'd just leave. you'd walk away. or you'd clap back

[unreal robin]

I’m literally thinking about Diablo immortal and the “don’t you have phones” incident

[bronze prism]

but yeah, since I only just joined the conversation I'm not sure what you're talking about wanting to be addressed, but even if the feedback is rude as shit it doesn't mean that we're going to see it and go "okay, these people are being pissants about it, so we're specifically NOT going to touch this thing up"

we just may not respond to the feedback

you mentioned forgery but idk which aspect

[unreal robin]

This goes to my feelings now. I feel that only fuels the fire. Why let 20+ post about tome storage happen instead of just being open with the players about how you feel about ideas, is it being talk about has it been denied instantly

[bronze prism]

is this a "that's how it was before" comparison cause iirc we got tome bookshelves in housing

[unreal robin]

None of that addresses tilt directly but it definitely helps in most cases

[cunning verge]

hello?? there was response in some, and then eventually tome storage RELEASED

[unreal robin]

Yes I’m saying at thread 5 say something instead of having people make 20 threads before Ct confirmed it’s being worked on

[cunning verge]

we're not going to just say "yeah we're going to add this now" if it isn't meant to be public info

[unreal robin]

Why can’t it be public, “this is an idea that is being considered” “this idea has had some time in development already” I feel simple things like this would go a long way without ruining expectations or what ever reason you guys keep things so secretive

[cunning verge]

If people kept suggesting to update lootruns, we're not going to just say 'oh yeah by the way next update we're changing lootruns'

because that's normal game dev??? You don't just have everything publicly revealed for an update??

like terraria, they tease some stuff but they keep a lot of things secret until release. Every game team does this

[unreal robin]

But if players are really pressing a certain topic they kinda do. Like resistances in Diablo 4

Whatever Diablo is a terrible game anyways so bad examples but I feel that’s where a lot of toxicity is created, for some reason there just an extreme gap in communication with the devs

Like bruh who wants soul point. I genuinely don’t know a single person who can agrue they are good for the game in the long run it feels like a super outdated way to keep people from doing harder content. It feels like it crippled any part of the game that interacts with it.

Like I don’t want to have to stop running tna after 20 runs cause I’ve accidentally died in a few of the rooms

Something like that will have me go from playing 3 hours -6 hours a day to logging off after an hour and maybe not getting on tomorrow cause idk if I’ll find another good raid party again

[bronze prism]

kind of a bad example, 20 TNA runs takes a ton of time that you would get SP back on but Salted has gone on record saying soul points suck and he wants to update them or change the system somehow

[cunning verge]

Salted already said he wanted to get rid of them

[unreal robin]

But like just remove them then if almost everyone agrees they suck. It just feels like so many of the “sucky” systems get left in the game for so long and anything “fun” or broke gets fixed asap (cgg being like the only acception imo)

[teal radish]

soul points can’t just be removed without anything replacing them

[untold bison]

I mean they can

[teal radish]

it wouldn’t be good though

[cunning verge]

They can but it'd be a detriment to the game

[unreal robin]

Idk personal thing but nerfing the entire server cause 8 people are exploiting sucks for me. I’m a dumb casual 80% of the time it sucks for the game to get worse for me cause of something I haven’t even done

[teal radish]

people will be doing /kill to teleport

dying needs to have some kind of detriment

[cunning verge]

I feel like you conflate bug fixes as being nerfs

[unreal robin]

Sometimes yes if it makes the game more fun I don’t care if it’s labeled as a feature or bug, it makes the game more fun (baring extreme exploits you know)

What’s crazy about that?

[cunning verge]

[unreal robin]

Doesn’t everyone just want a fun game?

I agree fun is extremely subjective but like am I wrong?

[teal radish]

balance is important

[unreal robin]

Yes if things aren’t balanced they aren’t fun

but when you actively take away fun, like imo tna room 3 wave room, it’s so unfun waiting for the final wave and boss to spawn it feel like I’m wasting time 60% of the room. Yet the activatily patch the skip instead of changing to what players actually want if 4/5 void is there just spawn the final wave and boss, players get their time skip devs still make players kill mini boss, fun and balanced. Instead they just nerf it for everyone and make it feel worse imo

Just because it was labeled a bug when the players who used it obviously want it as a feature

Personally I feel the same way about rainbow beacons resetting/destroying aqua stacks. It removed an extremely nieche chance to make lootruns extra fun because it was labeled a “bug”

[unreal robin]

Here’s my thing would you rather have a angry player response, or just have the player quit and never care or come back? Imo the 2nd is much worse for the actual game

[cunning verge]

if you want my genuinely opinion, if a player is going to be senselessly aggressive id rather they weren't part of wynncraft's community

[unreal robin]

So if a player feels overly annoyed and expresses it you would want them to quit

Like I know you aren’t paid or anything but any other game dev or studio released a statement like that it would be wack af to me

“If you don’t like our game just quit it’s not our job to make it better” is the message I interpret from that

I’m thinking about bro whos 100% time rift got deleted from trade market. It’s crazy to my you would rather have the player just quit

(28 stacks of le networth iirc)

[fathom gale]

This is truly the constructive feedback moment of all times

[ocean peak]

trying to be kind got neither me nor my feedback anywhere in regards to communicating with ct

they ignored me all the same

[bronze prism]

That is 100% the wrong message

[ocean peak]

so I understand where he’s coming from

[bronze prism]

like I said, even if the feedback is rude as shit it doesn't mean that we're going to see it and go "okay, these people are being pissants about it, so we're specifically NOT going to touch this thing up"

[untold bison]

Just type in all caps and then surely ct won't miss your message

[young ore]

I didn’t 😻🐡🐡🐡🐡

[bright sage]

their AGGRESSION simply shows their LOVE AND DEDICATION to the game ⁉️ ⁉️ 🔥

[fallen mauve]

Good feedback gives reasons why something might not be as great as it could be.
Being rude when writing it typically leads to this reasoning either being nonexistent or difficult to make out. Just out of self-interest, if you want your feedback to be understood and taken into consideration, it would be best to not be aggressive about it.

So I can understand if it seems like aggressive feedback might be disregarded, but there is also pretty good reason why it can be very difficult to find the value in such feedback.

[half pike]

whats the distinction between cosmetic and normal classes in chat? like archer vs hunter?

it would also be nice to have total level in the chat too

for all those proffers with like average skill level (no way hsb term !!!!) of 108

[modern pier]

You can be mad at me if you want. Im the comic book villain youve been searching for. Your anger strengthens me.

But for real youre such a clown in the way you treat CT and thats why I dont like you 🙂

One day youre gonna get yourself banned

[half pike]

stop trolling smh

i keep clicking on 2 blocked messages and regretting it

[modern pier]

Youre literally shart v2

[half pike]

what

[modern pier]

Also ive never understood why people like you block me. We have never DM:ed, and youre gonna open every single one of my messages anyways cause youre undeniably obsessed with me

[unreal robin]

Ur not talking about the topic you are bringing random discord drama up like it matters. IT DOESNT

Like you’re not a villain your just the classic annoying clueless avg discord user

[modern pier]

Are you gonna start working on your behavior or not? You should have calmed down by now

[half pike]

have you forgotten that you kept pinging me for no reason

it also keeps me from forgetting that you trolled

[modern pier]

Have you forgotten that youre always the one that starts the conversation with me 🤡

[fathom gale]

#1019649786799996980

[unreal robin]

Bro you are funny af, you aren’t anyone’s mom, it’s not your place to “tell people to work on their behavior” when this is the behavior in question that gets you to act all high and mighty

[sleek valley]

yall can we not

[half pike]

so true lets focus on the real issues

[unreal robin]

I was the one originally saying just keep it on topic wdgaf about feelings

[half pike]

like chests NOT GIVING ITEMS WTF CT

[unreal robin]

Facts honestly why do tier 3 and 4 chests cap at like 11 emeralds, one of the worse parts about lr for me

[half pike]

i just opened a chest and got 9 emeralds and an ing

1 star ing too not even that good of one

who thought this was a good idea

[sleek valley]

the chest emerald rate is a bit scuffed

[half pike]

that should be like just respawned chests

the t2 chest in pigman cave outside ragni is gone rip

[unreal robin]

My idea would have yellow beacons scale emeralds in chests much much more. I’d actually take yellows if I had a chance of finding like 8 emerald blocks-20ish max so it’s not op

[half pike]

this is a TIER THREE THREE DAY CHEST

wtf this should be like 30m

[sleek valley]

im pretty sure chests can only roll a single emerald stack atm

[half pike]

wild

[sleek valley]

yea it doesnt feel great

[half pike]

here are some chests i opened around ragni (so an ordinary player would be relying on these for gear as they dont have camps at that level) with full morph so i have way way more lb than normal players
all are 3d

[unreal robin]

Eeek seems ur right

[half pike]

the 3 star chest is pretty decent but could use some more items

[unreal robin]

I dont think I’ve seen more than 1 emerald stack

Just make chest back to the same as daily objective rewards. Imo that’s what tier 3 and 4 really should look like

Ik it’s more complicated that “just make chest” but the basic idea I mean

[half pike]

err daily rewards give almost nothing

unless you mean daily objective which im gonna go do ds again (1 dungeon run obj)

im also only on like a 2 streak for rewards but shh

[unreal robin]

Ya the objective thing like guild objective

[half pike]

i will say tho for things like ds i was a bit hesitant on whether or not no tokens would be actually an improvement but it seems pretty good aside from the bugs

[unreal robin]

Me no do forgery yet so I don’t have opinion

[half pike]

this was my daily for today

no stardusts surprisingly

[verbal seal]

Why are horses disabled in lootruns? For once they would matter (with shaman)

[unreal robin]

Also kinda fr

I wish they had another horse option to go even faster, horses feel really outdated since they just can’t scale into the end game like most of the other systems in Wynn (again I think it’s is fixed with flying mount/mount that has an extra movement ability like how camels in vanilla Minecraft have a “leap” ability)

Or atleast I really like the idea when I hear someone talk about it. I think it was salted in an olinus interview before 2.0

[fathom gale]

Ok but it's not like new players can't play the game without relying on chests for gear

When I was new new I never bothered getting gear from chests and did just fine with the gear from quests and mob drops

[unreal robin]

Oh eek when I was new getting legendary from chests felt soo good to me

[fathom gale]

I do agree that the normal chest loot is pathetic tho

[ocean peak]

There’s no reason to be nice in feedback if your time and effort isn’t respected in turn

[unreal robin]

This makes me think about summoners begging for final red node to be changed just to see the changes to trapper 😭

Like as a semi shaman main that shit kinda made me mad af

But like the trapper stuff is cool, so like do I praise them for making something cool or express I’m mad something is getting neglected

[ocean peak]

I do not like trapper just being made into a summoner instead of actually going into the trap aspect and making them more intuitive to use

[rare sedge]

Mhmmm, bouncing bomb for example

There also should be a way to control if you wanna replace old traps with new ones too

[void nova]

They should just add purpleemeralds suggestions once he ever makes the document on it on the Wynn forums and I think that’d solve the summoner issue at best

[ocean peak]

i don’t think he made healthy changes for summoner

[void nova]

In theory*

[ocean peak]

they look flashy so people will like them

[void nova]

I mean I say summoner should take the pikmin approach to have selected variations through a menu on puppet master / crimson effigy / final red node* that you can pick how many of certain other summons to be spawned alongside other puppets

If not that, then probably something else one day

[stable pecan]

Eh
To be honest I wasn't a big fan either
Feels like everything was built too complex
The sleeper summons have a whole alternate spell command just to be able to move them around
If there were more summons or abilities that functioned better passively then maybe

[void nova]

The sleeper thing should just automatically stick to the nearest bunch of players party wise if there are gonna be the amount that spawn per totem

Since forcing them to move locations all the time is gonna be painful since we know how quick people are to one place then another

Unless you force them to be in locations you know people will sit in for a specific period of time

[void nova]

Though I think the voodoo doll concept isn’t too difficult, just place them down as the boss goes into your direction and have them hit all 3 of them at once while also hitting them to receive the pinned effect so the dps from the hit is gradually increased (ngl the voodoo idea is just summoner stealing trappers mines in a up yours kind of manner ), same with the latcher one to tbh since they’d probably just charge on to nearby mobs to and weaken them temporarily by only uprooting an enemy to make them appear

[void nova]

Or in short:

Voodoo you just shift totem which isn’t too bad if you place them in the right spots and can increase their dmg upon contact by applying pinned through weapon left click and intensify the burst damage of the voodoo doll while the enemy has pinned if they damage it

Latchers only spawn when you uproot an enemy (3 max I think) and apply a curse (guessing it’s one of the 3 debuff options unless you grab the one that gives +2 curses, not sure)

I’m guessing dream dweller is where it feels flawed in play but interesting on paper

[ocean mason]

Its not gone they just misplaced it

The chest is under the nextdoor grudgeon fishing pond, buried 2 blocks underground now

[vast osprey]

officially*

[merry umbra]

i have no idea what you’re talking about

[vast osprey]

:)

i’m surprised it went that long unnoticed

lmao

[teal radish]

it…didn’t?

[silver siren]

There isn’t an issue?

[teal radish]

yeah it’s spelled correct lmao

[finite heart]

Omega probably fixed it already considering they already responded here after being ponged about it

[silver siren]

Ah maybe it was le epic omega troll

It’s not edited so it was legit never an issue

[finite heart]

Mhm

[silver siren]

Ah I forgor where edited appeared

[unreal robin]

oh when did they change this, why does all of tna rewards go in ur inventory, its kinda nnoying throwing all the tomes and stuff out every time

[sleek valley]

it never changed

its always been that way

[unreal robin]

i feel like i use to be able to leave the powders in the chest and theyd just disapear

idk i might be going crazy

[teal radish]

Crazy?
I was crazy once.
They locked me in a room.
A rubber room.
A rubber room with rats.
And rats make me crazy.

[unreal robin]

real

[candid prawn]

You might

I’ve been playing raids since they were added and I always remembered having to throw stuff to the side

[unreal robin]

100% i could be wrong

i wonder if im the only one who would want that changed

[void nova]

THEY FIXED THE EFFIGY BUG YES

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-william-afton-smg4-purple-guy-dancing-purple-guy-dance-gif-26113099

[hollow oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316978886087016449/979011853256646746/gif.gif

[void nova]

thats gross as hell

[unreal robin]

More barrier blocks….

It’s like they give us something nice and also barrier blocks

Legit hurt my soul reading that

I’ll try to keep it simple. If players feel forced to cheese all the camps maybe the camps need to fundamentally be changed and overhauled. God I hate invisible blocks, i fr don’t even want to try to lr thinking about how annoying it’s gonna be

[light silo]

they did say it's only temporary

[ocean peak]

LOL? barrier blocks gg wynncraft

what's the point in implementing these before you actually fix the issue then

[unreal robin]

Tbh that could mean for like months+ I don’t trust a timeline of something vague like that ugh

Fr