2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[spare charm]

but I’ve gotten a total of 14 mythics popped up this week in about 11k pulls

only took 6 of them

[little olive]

is that total pulls or base pulls without rrs factored in?

[spare charm]

That’s base

[fathom gale]

the categories they are split in are by base pulls yes

[timber dock]

According to these statistics you get a higher average chance of obtaining a mythic the less total pulls you do

[spare charm]

well it makes sense tbh

idk if it’s too harsh of a rate decrease but it does prevent you from guaranteeing a mythic EVERY run

[quiet lark]

@spare charm

[little olive]

Then that is the obvious result as you are more likely to get a mythic in high pull runs so you are also more likely to have more rrs left over

Its just a question of if you want to do long runs so you dont need as mich luck to get more good runs or if you want short runs to not potentially waste pulls/rerolls

[spare charm]

mehku

[spare charm]

I’m pretty sure the total pulls is accounting for only the pulls spent to roll the mythics

could be wrong though

[fathom gale]

yep if u got 200 pull 10 rr run and got mythic at 4th reroll and kept that mythic then il only count 200*5 for total pulls

[elder crane]

Do a 2 hour lootrun as the devs intended
My reward is 2 dabloons 20 e blocks

[void nova]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AEugaediRlU&pp=ygUdc3BvbmdlYm9iIHR3byBnb2xkIGRvdWJsb29ucyA%3D

[neon slate]

eo is easy asf

[sleek valley]

would it be easy af with lootrun mob scaling

[teal radish]

and it still wouldn’t be quick

would have to stack up green beacons to have enough time to do it

[neon slate]

ohh true

it would be a pain

especially bridge room if mobs had speed

[trim elbow]

eo adding 1.75m hp every challenge :doom:

[silver siren]

Bro imagine HP scaling on the Eye……

[woeful grail]

Uh oh

[little olive]

Do tna during lootrun for free 10 rr

[fathom gale]

solo tna*

[woeful grail]

Solo boss or solo the entire raid?

[little olive]

Solo tree room

[fathom gale]

Simply win 50 coinflips in a row and it's ez

[rare sedge]

How long do we need to wait for this hotfix patch notes

[fathom gale]

Huh

Did a new hotfix drop

[rare sedge]

I'm waiting for the one we haven't got them yet

It's still the same hotfix

[fathom gale]

Oh lmao you are high on copium expecting notes for that

[fathom gale]

#1130695160121004176 message

Patch notes (real)

[spare charm]

It was in the end of hotfix 2 comments

Unless there’s another one

[fathom gale]

Insane

[rare sedge]

Ong

[bright sage]

selling mythics is so hard now

theres wayyyy more supply than demand for every mythic

[fathom gale]

sounds about right

[bright sage]

i have like 20 mythics to sell from lr camps and i cant even fit them all onto trade market

this is very fun and awesome

Idek what ud do ab this but this HAS to be addressed bruh

[fathom gale]

every lootruner that is not a complete casual about to have pages of mythics they cant sell

2 weeks inot this update and i alredy triples the total amount of mythics i have

[bright sage]

in two weeks i got the same amount of mythics i got in like a few months of gameplay

this is gonna result in inflation but off the top of my head why don’t they make it so mythics actually sell for a fair amount to blacksmiths instead of like 20eb

i’m talking about like multiple stacks for good mythics n shit too (there are obviously gonna be hella details that would need to be resolved for this to be fair but Wtf else would u do an this problem ) 😭

i have 5 shitty springs that aren’t selling dawg

[fathom gale]

new mechanic: sacrafice mythcs to obtain tier 4 and tier 5 corkian amplifiers

that will instantly increase the demmand even for bad mythics!

(and in turn make god rolls also less valuable over time 😔)

[glad ermine]

it’s not difficult if it’s unid or a really good roll tho

the ones i get from camps sell instantly so idk

[fathom gale]

ok but imagine selling mythics in the same rotation

[glad ermine]

i’m not sure what you mean?

[fathom gale]

if you want to actualy sell your stuff for decent money then wait for the rotation to roll out before selling

[glad ermine]

100%

I agree, yeah

[bright sage]

selling unid is boring and rolling good is rng 💀

[bright sage]

still hard to sell shit

[glad ermine]

“boring” lol what? and yes rolling is rng lmao, even getting a mythic is rng, isn’t that the whole point? that’s what makes it fun, if you get a really good roll on a popular mythic that shit will be pricey asf, or you could end up with nothing…

[bright sage]

yeah it’s boring as fuck to sell mythics unid. and if you need good rng to be able to sell to shit quickly at a reasonable price that is infact not good . i think u misunderstood my msg

adding something to counteract the insane supply to demand ratio, like a system where u can just instasell ur mythics for a guaranteed price would be Nice!!!!

[glad ermine]

I think that’s a bad idea, if you get a shit roll then you tend to see ppl selling it for cheap, and for those that don’t lr all day it’s nice because they can afford to buy it. if you could just quick-sell to blacksmith then i doubt ppl would sell on tm, well maybe if it was like 16le to blacksmith a mythic but at that point it’s useless as most would still sell on TM?? how exactly do you think it would work, im open to ideas but i don’t understand how this system would be useful in any way

and how would you determine what the price of a mythic would be to blacksmith?

[bright sage]

i am open to more ideas on how supply and demand issue could also be fixed other than my off the top suggestion ‼️

[timber dock]

You say this as you speak for everyone. Personally I don’t mind selling mythics UNID.

[bright sage]

just say ur broke and boring bruh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[stable pecan]

how do either of those correlate from selling mythics unID?

[timber dock]

For you boring sure yeah. sadly I don’t really care what you think about how I enjoy things or not. And as for the broke part not really but believe what you want

[bright sage]

rolling unids is boring as shit . i want to be able to sell my mythics without having to wait multiple days and encouraging selling shit unid is not the path wynn should take to counteract the supply and demand problem, y’all are missing my main point 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[fathom gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101685631211540510/1115869531387199579/1059003175937519646.gif

[glad ermine]

idk mate, rolling mythics is fun asf, gives me an adrenaline rush. if you don't like it, doesn't mean the majority also doesn't like it lol.. gambling is fun

you don't find selling unid fun, you don't find rolling unid mythics fun; then what do you find fun? lmao

blacksmithing mythics 💀 ?

"sell my mythics without having to wait multiple days", this was the case pre-current update too, unless it was a decent/great roll

besides, the reason its so difficult to sell some mythics atm, for instance: idol- is because ppl are waiting for it to be in the pool to buy. however, once all mythics have been in rotation, then it will be easier to sell mythics imo

[bright sage]

i agree tho ⁉️😭😭

i have been gambling on wynn for almost 2 years or sum and it’s like all i do in the game 😭

[glad ermine]

"rolling unids is boring as shit" "boring as fuck to sell mythics unid" HMMMMMM

you said it yourself, not me

just directly quoting what you said, so what is it? lol

[bright sage]

where did i say rolling unids is boring

[fathom gale]

Me when

[bright sage]

if i did it was jus a typo

[stable pecan]

weird typo

[glad ermine]

bro huh?

[bright sage]

No way …….. I apologiesse

i am in FULL support of gambling and fully against people who sell shit unid

[fathom gale]

That ain't no typo, it's a whole ass brain diarrhea

[bright sage]

shiiiiidd it happens

[fathom gale]

I see nothin wrong with either, some people like the risk and some prefer to play it safe

[glad ermine]

why? not everyone is rich, let ppl sell unid and buy mythics that they want? not everyone is fond of gambling and that is a.O.K.A.Y? and the whole point of fixing "supply and demand" that you mentioned, how would that help if ppl didnt buy anything apart from unid mythics

[fathom gale]

Can't expect everyone to have the same mindset

[glad ermine]

idk man, seems like a lot of contradicting to me

[bright sage]

Yeah but me personally i don’t like people selling unids, i could never 🤷‍♂️y’all saying u have a problem with me not liking people selling unids ??

[stable pecan]

given that there's nothing wrong with selling unIDed...

[glad ermine]

lol so because you don't like selling unid, doesn't mean everyone should dislike it too lmfao

[fathom gale]

Brother if you like gambling you should be HAPPY that people sell unid cuz then you can buy unid and gamba

[glad ermine]

^^^

[bright sage]

u getting hung up on the wrong shit too i just think there is too much supply compared to demand

[fathom gale]

That part is obvious to everyone

[glad ermine]

just wait till every mythic has been in rotation, a lot of ppl are hesistant to buy mythics when it could be in the next week's rotation

[bright sage]

would never advise a person to sell shit unid , if they want to sell it unid idm i just wouldn’t fw that

[glad ermine]

no offence, but who cares?!

[bright sage]

there’s still gonna be heellalaaaaallaalaaa supply left over for a fat minute

[bright sage]

u bruh u are the one making a big deal outta this 😭😭😭

[fathom gale]

Ok but your opinion on unid/gamba has nothing to do with the high supply low demmand issue

[glad ermine]

im just having a civil conversation brotha

you the one telling ppl its cringe to sell unid for no reason, hey

[bright sage]

so why aren’t we talking about the supply demand issue and instead focusing on my opinion about unids das yo fault 🤦‍♂️

[glad ermine]

bro how you shifting the blame on others when you the one that started the convo about unid's?

im all about balancing supply and demand, but so far what you've said has not given me an indication of how you'd like it to get fixed, we could have a convo about that

[bright sage]

I think selling unids should not be encouraged because it is fun for most of the playerbase (as shown by the amount of people who roll shit rather than sell unid when they get mythics) and gambling in general is very fun is there anything wrong with saying that discouraging something fun should not be a prevalent part of the game ?? that is my whole point

[glad ermine]

alr, when you start talking about supply and demand again i will have a convo, im not going to go in circles now.. end of conversation

[bright sage]

selling unids can always be an option for the ppl who want to but it should not be forced onto people who who want to gamble but are discouraged by the problem of the supply and demand of the mythic

do u have any ideas on how to fix dat problem ? I’m not sure

[fathom gale]

You aren't discouraged tho? If you get lucky and get a good roll the item will sell easily, don't expect to gamba get a bellow average roll and easily sell it

[teal radish]

I agree, selling unIDed is boring, but with the current supply and demand, it’s kind of forced

that’s what you’re saying right?

[bright sage]

yea

[bright sage]

yes you are in fact discouraged to gamble unids when you have to roll godly for a mythic to even be able to sell in a reasonable timeframe

[fathom gale]

That's always been the case

[bright sage]

hell no it has not bruh

there have never been 3 pages of mythics that you are competing with to sell yo shit and it’s all mid

it’s never taken this long / been this hard to sell mythics

[little olive]

Actually, mythics will get cheaper so its deflation

[rare sedge]

Warring will be more profitable 😊

[little olive]

How much does the emerald upgrade give?

[vital raft]

like 3le per territory per day if you claim it consistently

[rare sedge]

Max level it has 24% chance to drop half LE per hour I think

[bright sage]

Fuck yeah 🔥🔥🔥

[teal radish]

wars 🤮

[young ore]

war

[teal radish]

war, more like bore

[rare sedge]

Map has become so stall that shortest held hq (excluding usually off-map guilds) is 3 days and it's PROF

[fathom gale]

blame the alliance for commiting unalive

[rare sedge]

Well, time between start of this season and 2.0.3 wasn't as stall

Sky was constantly fought over between you and ico (and sometimes even us)

[fathom gale]

yeah and then lootruns appeared

[rare sedge]

Ah yeah, ig

But might be also a bit caused by meta becoming very stale

Because AVO is still taking cinfras county almost all the time

[deft glacier]

Yo i just wanna say this update sucks ass and its actually impressive how hard ct fucked economy

Gg

Mythics will be worth less then legendarys at this rate and people will actually start skipping mythics for the emerald Block and le rewards

[rare sedge]

So there will be less mythics in market and prices will rise up again

It will be like a metronome

[teal radish]

some rares and uniques are gonna be more expensive than legendaries cuz of them getting kicked out of the rewards after 36 pulls

[fathom gale]

the sadest part is that the lootruning system was honestly fun but then they decided to remove all the fun from it WITHOUT ACTUALY REDUCING THE MYTHIC INFLATION LMAO

its like they are doing it on purpose to fck up both the market and the fun

was it rly that hard to keep lootrun camps fun and just reduce mythic droprate further...

instead lets just butcher lootruning and keep mythic rates high!

[deft glacier]

Ye lootrunning is so fun fr i agree but like what do you get for grinding rn? A max 10 le mythic rewards so nice!!!

Fking ct team

[rare sedge]

Blue beacons are very rare rn, especially if no orange shows up, these ones suck...

[fathom gale]

lootruning used to be fun*

[rare sedge]

Make a new post showing how this could be fixed

[fathom gale]

now lootruning is boring and m,ythiuc rates are still high

[fathom gale]

as if they dont know how to

they just dont want us to have any fun in the game lol

[sleek valley]

youre assuming malice where it doesnt exist

the system's still going to see changes

[deft glacier]

Ct bunch of broke people who want affordable mythics

[sleek valley]

it's not like this is the final version of it

[deft glacier]

It doesnt matter shit is so fucked up itll never recover

[fathom gale]

i dont want to assume it but at this rate all the changes are just making lootruning less and less fun while mythics are still as common as dirt

[sleek valley]

ehh i dont think thats true. it might take a while to recover but i dont think its permanently fucked

[fathom gale]

i can go spend 15 minutes fail a lootrun and get a mythic, (no fun involved but hey a mythic!)

[deft glacier]

Nah its perma fucked

[sleek valley]

hard doubt

it might not ever reach pre-2.0.3 levels sure

but i dont think thats necessarily a bad thing

[glad ermine]

thats good

[deft glacier]

Ye but mythics are worthless there is like no fun in getting m anymore

[fathom gale]

me rerolling past immolation hoping to get 20 le instead:

[glad ermine]

idk mythics still have worth and i still get excited getting them

[deft glacier]

Back then you wer excited to get a mythic or even grind hard for them and now when i get a drop imma just fucking blacksmith it

[sleek valley]

i dont think thatll stay the case forever tho

[deft glacier]

Lets hope

[glad ermine]

go to pre-update mythic rates it was just sad, grinding 12+ hours for what most liekly will be boots- is trash

[fathom gale]

pre update mythic rate was fine but the way you obtained them was boring, now its the oposite

well its back to boring after all the hotfixes..

[glad ermine]

idk i didnt enjoy lr 12 hours a day to get nothing or boots

+1 beacon choice for gm, + slightly lower mythic rates would make it 10x better already

[sleek valley]

from what i can tell the mythic rate per player is still roughly the same, its just so many more people are lootrunning than before

[glad ermine]

its probs just as hard to get a mythic for average players, they dont know the meta lr camp strats like us who play 12 hours a day

[fathom gale]

mythic rate is roufhly 1 mythic per 1500 pulls which take ~5 hours if you are unlucky

yes more people are lring but mythics are way easier to obtain as well

[fathom gale]

its rly not rocket science.. it would take 15 minutes research to figure it out

[rare sedge]

Jokes on you, I've been gaslighted into shitty rainbow run, so it's gonna be 7!

[bright sage]

are there numbers on this? i may just be lucky but i was getting like a mythic a day minimum with lr camps compared to my like 1 mythic a week or sum with previous lootrunning 💀

[bright sage]

WHAT

THATS SO LOW

[fathom gale]

low he says.. thats absurdly high

[bright sage]

i meant like

[fathom gale]

ah the pulls being too low

[bright sage]

yea

[fathom gale]

yeah just give it a month or two and mythics will be less valuable than legendaries

[bright sage]

if u get an ideal run with best rng u can get that in like sub 2 hours

[fathom gale]

yep

[bright sage]

B-b-but the casual players 🤓☝️

[glad ermine]

i mean.. casual players are the majority of the players

[fathom gale]

i just got an orange > rainbow > aqua > orange start and thats deadass more satisfying than getting a mthic at this rate

[woeful grail]

The run is alive

[fathom gale]

cant wait for the 20 min 10 rr 60 pull run 😻

[woeful grail]

(i reset if i dont get a good run until like 7)

And then im going for 110 pull 10 rr

[pallid kestrel]

Bro all my friends rage quit wynn to play monumenta 😭

[teal radish]

even if mythic rate is about the same as pre 2.0.3, the rate should still be decreased to compensate for the amount of people lootrunning

chest can give more LE so people can still buy mythics instead

[glad ermine]

Idk the ppl in my guild that didnt like lr pre-update now seem to tell me they're having a lot of fun and playing more. Similarly, my friend that hated lr now loves it and actually plays the game with me, so its a W

[thorny glacier]

no

[timber dock]

would reducing mythic chances again but increasing overall LE rewards really make it better though? the average item price could get inflicted if a lot of people LR. Which they will since it will be the best money making method and then you would force others to do the same

I don't see it having anything but a negative effect in the longrun

[fathom gale]

reduce mythic rate, +1 beacon for grandmaster rank and possibly buff dark grey in a way to be more rewarding for long runs

[teal radish]

buff dark grey????

dark grey is fucking OP rn

[fathom gale]

for long runs

[teal radish]

yeah it is

[fathom gale]

my idea was to nerf it in short runs and buff in long runs but it kinda looks like im alone on that opinion

[teal radish]

It gives 50 pulls with no downside at end of run

[fathom gale]

yeah but its still more effewctive to use it on short runs than long runs if you get the rng

which is why it should be weaker in early challenges imo

[teal radish]

it needs a nerf overall

[timber dock]

it should for sure get weaker in earlier challenges

15m 700 pull runs should not exist

[fathom gale]

what needs a nerf is the chance to get a mythic above all else

[terse scroll]

Yes.

[fathom gale]

i'd rather not keep nerfing/butchering lootrun content just to make mythics rarer when its as simple as just reducing mythic rates

[glad ermine]

if dark grey gets nerfed lr camps will be 10x more boring

I like MaqnBG suggestion, nerf it for short runs, but buff it for long runs

[unreal robin]

Well there is a downside. The run is basically 100% over at that point so you either risk is in the last 10 or waste 15+ challanges

[unreal robin]

I agree a lot with this

[timber dock]

it really isnt a downside everyone picks it at the end of their runs

i had some ideas of giving it a legitimate downside but its difficult

[unreal robin]

Well again you are wasting 10+ challange or you’ve saved aqua till the very end and semi risk it in the last 5-10 challanges. Imo there is a downside/risk to using it

[bright sage]

yea i agree the gameplay is way improved from previous lr it’s just the mythic rates are way too high

[glad ermine]

literally this is how its meant to be, y'all are just suggesting it to be more boring, first you want mythics rates to be nerfed PLUS you want dark grey nerf which will make runs boring asf

[timber dock]

not that risky if you booned up and didnt overcurse yourself

[unreal robin]

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying

[glad ermine]

the end goal should be make lr camps MORE FUN, and nerf mythic rates slightly

[bright sage]

it’s getting my friends to get back into the game too which is awesome and is actually making me get my own mythics again

[bright sage]

yeah fs there’s room for improvement

but also nerf mythic rates HEAVILY not slightly

[glad ermine]

I think the current state is not as bad as ppl say, its getting ppl to play it. just needs some minor tweaks and it will be perfect

[unreal robin]

Ngl that being said I do agree doing like 3 hour runs to get like 11 le at the end makes me a bit sad

[bright sage]

what would u rather get

[glad ermine]

but that will make casual players not play it anymore, unless camps give more LE, idk

[bright sage]

(genuine question)

[unreal robin]

Like 16 le. Just a bit more scaling on emeralds for long runs

[light pivot]

make guranteed some amount of LE rewards for every 30 challenges done or something

[glad ermine]

this literally would be the best case scenario, i would be contempt with this

[bright sage]

i feel like short term it will cause increase in playerbase but longterm the playerbase will decrease

this seems like an unpopular opinion but lrs should NOT strive to be like 3 hours long 💀

[glad ermine]

nah long runs are fun, they're just not rewarding atm

whilst short runs and more rewarding. so it should be the other way around

[teal radish]

you can just use it when the run is over anyway

[fathom gale]

me doing a 200 pull 10 rr to get 1 LE:
me doing a 40 pull 6 rr to get shiny epoch:

[teal radish]

if you’ve gotten good oranges

[glad ermine]

i saw some1 get a shiny epoch with 24 pulls 💀

[bright sage]

waiting 3h to see if you get any loot kinda sucks i love the length of like 30min-1h for lootruns

[fathom gale]

ive goten more raw LE in a single 20 pull run than in my 2200 + 2600 effective pull runs combined

[teal radish]

how is people being able to completely negate the downside of dark grey by using it last not a bad thing?

[glad ermine]

so you suggest nerfing the shit out of it so then short and long runs are boring? pog idea

[fathom gale]

whats bad is people being able to get 70 pull 10 rr runs in 15-20 minutes imo.. getting 50 pulls at the end of a 100 challenge run is perfectly fine

[timber dock]

i think its just a bad design purple is a good design since you want to take them before the run ends dgrey doesnt work like this

[bright sage]

doesn’t dark gray stop appearing after like 20 challenges

[glad ermine]

no

[bright sage]

does it never stop appearing

[glad ermine]

yea i've gotten it in like challenge 90 something

[bright sage]

oh naw

[teal radish]

how is dark grey being high risk high reward “boring”?

[teal radish]

exactly

[fathom gale]

maybe dark grey should NOT appear untill like challenge 80

[bright sage]

i feel like the whole point of dgray should be that it forces u to end the lr basically because the curses are so fucking op

[teal radish]

they’re both a problem…the downside of dark grey shouldn’t be able to be completely avoided

[fathom gale]

and how would you fix that without completely reworking the whole way dark grey works

[glad ermine]

but you could essentially do the same shit if dark grey didnt exist, spam a bunch of boons till like challenge 60, then stack aqua take purple stack aqua take purple, doing that can get you +50 pulls too...

just would take longer

[bright sage]

nahhh i don’t think it’s a good idea to incentivise long lootruns this much

[glad ermine]

my bad more like 30ish because you'd want to take grey for rerolls

and then just do purple without aqua.. you will end up in same position. it would just mean you cant get godly short runs

[teal radish]

My idea was to make grey stop dark grey from appearing

so if you want rerolls with dark grey, you’ll have to deal with the downside of dark grey for at least a few challenges (to get the grey) before ending

[timber dock]

yes but even then you would still want to take purple in the run itself before you finally end with aqua aqua purple

and short godruns are atleast IMO apart of a bigger problem rn

[teal radish]

yeah being able to end with purple isn’t an issue, it gives 10 pulls at most

[glad ermine]

yea but if you spam boons until like challenge 60, and then stack aqua into purple 3 times, you can get 30 pulls without much repercussions.

[sand bloom]

can a player housing balloon be added to kandon-beda? very annoying having to either take the corkus balloon or run all the way to ahmsord if you want to sell raid rewards or just spending soul points on scrolls

[timber dock]

this requires 6/10 of your aquas though

you usually dont have 6 to spare atleast i don't

[sand bloom]

or just add a trade market

[bright sage]

can u only get 10 aquas per run?

[teal radish]

yes

[bright sage]

naw what since when tf

[timber dock]

since they added lr im pretty sure

[glad ermine]

well you would if dark grey didnt exist, you would use 2 for orange, and 2 for gray rerolls, 6 for purple

[bright sage]

deadass ??? are u sure?

[timber dock]

idk can someone confirm or deny im doubting myself now xd

[teal radish]

Ur right

[timber dock]

what about white dont you use aquas on white?

also potentially use more aquas on grey also you could just miss with aquas

[glad ermine]

true

[teal radish]

yeah unless you get aqua aqua orange early on, you’ll have to waste some aquas on like red or green if you get unlucky

[severe helm]

Dont you guys think mythics rates are still too high?

[quiet lark]

yes

[timber dock]

I think in an ideal world they would balance short godruns before they go further on adjusting mythic rates

[severe helm]

i think it would be nice if they

like nerf this rate by %75

rn i think its like 1000 pulls for one mythic which is fairly low

[glad ermine]

75% LOL

[severe helm]

ye i think 3-4k for one mythic is fine

[glad ermine]

well from current data you can get a mythic every 1.5-2k effective pulls

[unreal robin]

You have to remember 3x the amount of people are lr now and factor in you can’t “snipe” other peoples worlds anymore. I think when players see the increase in mythics I hope they keep those factors in mind when comparing it to old lr ing

[severe helm]

3x?

think about this
before the update you were limited by the world time and world count if you wanted to lr

you had to wait for around 2 hours per world for the chests to be good enough to lr and worth your time

and before the update we didnt even see the 40th world

rn its dependent on the player number

i think its like 10x

and considering the rates being this high

you can get a mythic per day easily

[unreal robin]

Ya I just didn’t want to say an extreme number to get my point across, I think daily mythics is kinda an overstatement but I agree I think nerfing rates but letting people have more access to 3 hr runs at grandmaster would be the best change in my opinion. I really like doing long runs, finishing a lootruns within like 20 challenges just feels bad to me

[severe helm]

agree

[stable pecan]

To be honest, I feel part of the issue is that people play lootruns super competitively, trying to reset and fish for good runs all the time
I've had busted runs be uncommon enough that I've had no complaints towards "taking 10x gray 10x dgray and leaving" because I never actually get a run supporting that
Surely there could be a benefit to not forfeiting runs...?

[little olive]

No, lootrunning is just actually fun

For like the first time ever

[half pike]

arnt mythic rates like horrible

i saw someone mention they didnt get a mythic in 1.4k pulls

OVER A THOUSAND

[sweet patrol]

😂

I saw someone not get a mythic in 2.4k so surely the rate must be more than 1 per 2.4k!!!!!!

[half pike]

doom

[trim elbow]

1000 pulls is not that much
marqn's data is giving approx 1 in 1500 chance

[hard heron]

the more unids in the market the more gambling you can do if you buy said unids

[unreal robin]

i think we need more data before that 1/1500 is accurate, i wonder what the data will be at 1 million pulls

[trim elbow]

there's like more than enough data to guarantee that it's within like +- 500 pulls or so at most

[rare sedge]

I'd say 3 beacons for master and rainbow for grandmaster or something, or like +1 beacon choice instead of 2nd roll, idk, it needs something like that

Dark gray should be more like rainbow-esque effect, like it doubles your pulls gained from a challenge when you pick it, but you also have 50% chance to get a curse

[teal radish]

that would actually be a great change

[rare sedge]

Blue beacons' boons should also be cut from loot quality and loot bonus and make so you get it whenever you pick yellow beacon which could be multiplicative with your gear's lb and lq; or just give small multiplier to these stats on top of lq and lb

[wise skiff]

me with 1 mythic after 12k pulls

[short cave]

shoot me maybe, but one issue we’re having is people are killing runs for god runs and people want something to boost rng. What if there was a streak system and maybe after 5 successful run in a row(run finished with over 10 challenges done). You get certain rewards like at a 5 streak you’d get a third beacon choice, you could get a boost to the rarer beacons from certain streak levels, more emeralds in chests, etc. I figure this will greatly boost how often you get god runs but slow how often you get them because you have to play bad runs out.

[bright sage]

won’t be able to do much gambling if said mythics roll anywhere between trash and above average and it takes multiple days to a week or more to sell without underselling it

[fathom gale]

That's literally what gambling is..

Do you expect to be able to gamble unids with no risk and high reward involved

[lone leaf]

when cork amp 4

[bright sage]

bro

it’s about the mythic taking way longer to sell than pre 2.0.3 because the competition has like quintupled It’s not about how much money u lose or gain from the gamble 😭😭

[lone leaf]

then just dont buy unid until its lower price? idk

[bright sage]

nono the issue isn’t the price it’s the time it takes to sell

[lone leaf]

i mean. thats why people sell unid lol

[fathom gale]

Unids and good rolls will still sell fast unless overpriced to hell

It's just the bad rolls noone wants which doesn't seem any different than before

Why would I want to buy a bad mythic for 2 stx when I can get a considerably better roll for 4

Yes there are MORE bad rolls than before but that doesn't change much

[lone leaf]

i mean thats why its gambling no? 🥴

[fathom gale]

Yeah

[bright sage]

because casual players dont got that kind of money yet probably ?? they are on a budget maybe? the issue is that if you roll a bad mythic, it will now take like 3x longer to sell than before

sure it’s always been a problem that shorty mythics take a while to sell but it’s never been THIS BAD

[trim elbow]

if you're poor then don't gamble lmao

and just sell unid
there's also tons of raw le generation by end chest, I've gained like 6 stx raw since I started lring and that's after constantly rring on high le rolls

[bright sage]

??????? What

[bright sage]

the end goal should not be to force players to sell mythics unid because rolling mythics and selling it is way more annoying and frustrating than just selling it unid

discouraging fun should NOT be forced , it should always be an option to take the safe option but it should never be so heavily incentivised over actually experiencing a part of the game and enjoying it

[unreal robin]

admitedly i feel like a stack of le - 3 stacks of le is kinad healthy for mythic prices, im still slaty my disco went from 22 stacks to 2 stacks if im lucky but its probably the best for the game. taking a month to grind 1 item isnt worth it to a casual

[unreal robin]

you sell them unid for a higher price because you are "selling the fun" aswell

its "fun" to id mythics and get a good one, imo is why people pay so much higher for them

[bright sage]

most people would rather sell roll their mythics they find than sell it unid because it is objectively fun

[fathom gale]

bro speaking for the whole playerbase 😔

[bright sage]

there are wayyyyy more people that roll their mythics instead of selling unid for a reason 😭look at the market

i’ve asked lots of people too inc random ass people and they also tell me they roll their mythics

of course i’m not speaking for the entire playerbase but i can say with confidence that applies to the majority of players

does anyone have any actual suggestions on how to fix the supply and demand issue?

[timber dock]

Again you are saying it’s fun but how is it fun if you roll 3/4 times and get no good rolls? And yeah since so many people are rolling mediocrity is not worth much.

[fathom gale]

no its just that all the unids get purchased by the people that like to roll mythics. its all connected, people like you that dont like selling unid and like to roll mythics are the reason unids get purchased more

[fathom gale]

the solution has always been obvious but for some reason instead of reducing mythic drop rates they just keep ruining lootruning as a content

[bright sage]

fr they need to 5-10x that shit bruh

it ws like 1/1500 pulls on avg for a mythic right

according to ur stuff

[fathom gale]

yep but unfortunately they prefer to just GUT the best gameplay they have released yet

and still keep mythic rate absurdly high even if you cant have fun with it

[bright sage]

make it like atleast 1/10k deadass 😭

the most efficient fixes rn is just to increase the mythic rates by like 5-10x, change dark gray beacon, and make gm lr rank give base 3 beacon options

[woeful grail]

Yeah
Unnerf aqua
Make rng better (less rng fir the love of god)
And the just DRASTICALLY dercrease rates

[bright sage]

hot fix 3 gotta drop soon fr

[trim elbow]

I personally sell all my mythics unid

although I also,,, haven't been selling mythics

[fathom gale]

yeah same, im just buying cheap unids and eventualy gona resell when they are pricier

[trim elbow]

bank space is going to start becoming an issue soon tho,,,,

[thorny glacier]

yea sadly we only have 1 existing bank page, real issue

[trim elbow]

it's almost as if I'm using the other pages

[little olive]

Can you add the bug where cork amps give flat 15% boost back in for a day? 😄

[little olive]

Bro can legit think 🤯 (as opposed to most people posting here)

[little olive]

Its like tna on release, players actually like the system so theres a huge influx of items but at some point interest will die down and prices will go back up

[hard heron]

they roll their mythics but do they intend to sell their rolled mythic? i'll bet most players don't have many mythics so ofc they'd roll their first mythic because they want to use it

[ocean forge]

i think its not a secret if i tell you that they should really buff le's rate to make a good ratio of mythic/money

[timber dock]

The main issue I see with this is that inflating LE has a high possibility to increase prices for other things aswell. Which will be bad for a X% of the playerbase

[timber dock]

Is that an Idol ?

[trim elbow]

no it's a convergence
I do have an idol tho

[golden stone]

where did that azeotrope ring go, pretty sure it was in the se reward pool last time i checked it?

[rare sedge]

Wasn't that gravitron?

[golden stone]

gravitron was in the last roster

im talking about the current one cuz my friend got one from se lr earlier today

[trim elbow]

there's always briefly two different pools at the start of each week
and one will disappear while the other stays
the one that disappeared this week had azeotrope and gravitron

[golden stone]

is that even intended

like the wc72 incident

[trim elbow]

probably not but it happens anyway

[golden stone]

bruh i assume thats why a few gnossis appeared on market too last week

welp gonna wait to find interesting ways for using azeo builds ig

[trim elbow]

imagine not taking advantage of the brief window of time when it was available to grind a godly azeotrope

[golden stone]

it was 2am for me aint no way i stay up late to play frickin wynncrat..

[trim elbow]

so true

[sweet patrol]

Yall need to think about the fact that wynncraft endgame is dog water and the real end game was to grind for good mythics

Now with mythic prices gone people get their mythic in about a week, use it, realise there is literally nothing to do, and then quit to another game

Oh yeah mythic prices 1-3 stacks good yea sure but high mythic prices was literally the player retention wynncraft had

[vast cairn]

I find being able to afford new mythics and try new builds more interesting than to spend a year grinding LE to buy 1 mythic

Imo long lootruns should be encouraged through beacon buffs and mythic rates nerfed

[sweet patrol]

1. You dont need to spend a year grinding le, that was if you were using inefficient money making methods, which is another problem in itself.
2. The new system allows you to selectively grind for whatever mythic you would like, lootrunning to get unlucky with boots is no longer the same issue it was.

[vast cairn]

Does anyone feel like chest mythic rates increased? I am getting way more mythic boxes from caves/challenge chests with 0 lq/lb

[sweet patrol]

The mythic rates with new lring should not be better than the rates on old lootrunning, since the loot table system pushes the price of expensive mythics down over time.

It would be a different matter if there was actual challenging long term end game content, then I would be more for making mythics more common to get better balancing. But the rates right now are stupid *because that is not the case

[sweet patrol]

From personal experience I do feel like they increased rates of normal chests too yea

[vast cairn]

Yeah mythic rates should probably go down, but when they add more lr camps, the mythic variety will increase (but idk how long that will take lmao)

[sweet patrol]

Overall a fine display of the very smart thought process of wynncraft top brass 😂

[vast cairn]

Perhaps they can increase the mythic choices in the chests until they add more camps?

So that the supply will not be as concentrated, immolation

[sweet patrol]

I dont like to clown on devs because balancing stuff isnt easy, but this is straight up just 🤡 behaviour. Make use of your beta better and don’t release things prematurely

It is so frustrating having to complain about near obvious downsides almost every update.

It really does feel like there are certain individuals who do not even play the game at all yet are responsible for major decisions…

[vast cairn]

To be fair I don’t think they can really test the effect of update on economy in the beta

After all, most people won’t buy hero or silver bull just to gain early access.

[sweet patrol]

No but it should not be hard to compare rates between old and new

[sweet patrol]

And whos fault is this…?

[vast cairn]

Though, they could start with a very low mythic rate and buff it if needed

[sweet patrol]

Yeah so lets make a beta server to test pur updates but lock it behind a paywall and have no good incentives for playing on it

[sweet patrol]

Like any sensible person would

Or well, not very low, but at least low. The rates at patch #0 were just absurd

Like I said, as if they dont play the game at all

[vast cairn]

Infinite aqua stacking

[glad ermine]

you 2 are talking like you have any clue about player retention.. Salted has been doing this for over a decade, im sure he knows what he’s doing..

[little olive]

I dont trust the moo guy

[vast cairn]

but we are literally the players

[little olive]

The things that keep me playing the game are fun rewarding content and bulding

[fathom gale]

idk about people saying that the horse is too op in lantern keeper.. but the lantern keeper himself with lag is so obnoxious
like you have his visual body at one location, then the hitbox from where his fire comes out at another location and then his actual hitbox that you can damage (completely invisible besides the hp bar) at yet another part of the cave

[bright sage]

make the mythic rates 1/15000 pulls NOW ‼️‼️‼️

[little olive]

I just cheese it

[fathom gale]

well i didnt want to cheese it cuz it was in the first 10 challenges and i can 3 shot it but then the lag kicked in so it took 5 ages to kill it

[half pike]

make the mythic rates 1/150 pulls NOW ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[quiet lark]

it probably was before they nerfed it

[half pike]

yeah rip

it wasnt even that fun before they nerfed it

[little olive]

For me it felt like 800-1000 and its like twice as much now

[bright sage]

just make mythics 1/10k pulls type shit

[half pike]

no wtf

the goal is for em to be high rate

[little olive]

1. Like 6 times less mythics
2. People stop lootrunning because rates are shit -> even less mythics

[bright sage]

Awesome 🤩

[bright sage]

what should the odds of mythics be in your opinion

[half pike]

high

high enough that camps are actually fun 🙏

which would probably be higher than they were originally, camps are just flawed by design

[bright sage]

mythics should be MINIMUM 2-3x rarer than they are atm but should give shit other than mythics to keep players engaged

[half pike]

interesting

thats unique

[little olive]

How many mythics are currently in your possession?

[fathom gale]

camps will NEVER be fun just cuz mythics are common

[bright sage]

i had 24 but some of them might have sold on tm i haven’t been on in a while

[fathom gale]

in fact camps are less fun if mythics are common

[half pike]

yeah but at least you get mythic dopamine

[bright sage]

20 of which i have gotten from mythics

[fathom gale]

NO YOPU DONT GET MYTHIC DOPAMINE IF THEY ARE COMMON AS DIRT

[bright sage]

FR

[half pike]

i did

you get a brief moment of fun when you find a mythic and then go back to unfeeling running around when you start your next camp run

[fathom gale]

bro even getting a shiny epoch didnt excite me as much as finding a random weapon pre 2.0.3

[half pike]

i even had a bit of a dopamine hit when i got ALKATRAZ

[bright sage]

my mythic dopamine receptors are fried

[half pike]

my dopamine receptors are the only ones that arent fried for me lul

[bright sage]

i got the same amount of mythics in two weeks that i got in months of lootrunning (pretty casual lootrunning)

[half pike]

gg

[bright sage]

i HOPE they change the mythic rates drastically next update instead of just a tiny amount

[little olive]

BUT YOU GET MORE OF THE GAMBLING DOPAMINE

[half pike]

interesting

im just sad i only got one mythic while chances were good

[bright sage]

My shit i get from gambling don’t even sell bruh

[half pike]

and it was alk which is more like none lul

[bright sage]

unlucky dawg

[half pike]

yeah

[bright sage]

were u doing a lot of lring

[little olive]

Bro i swear half of the people that want that filled their entire banks with mythics

[half pike]

not a ton

is it bad i find lootrunning more fun than camps

[bright sage]

1. i don’t 2. nothing wrong with that

[bright sage]

nah that’s wild

3d cool-down goes hard

[half pike]

yeah rip lring shame they killed it

beacons are the issue i have with camps really
instead of having choices its just "go defend there or kill mobs there" and instead of doing what you want to do where and when you want to you just kinda sit around half the time on a tree killing things

cant wait for low level items and ings and stuff prices to go up now that they arent really obtainable

[bright sage]

tbh i forgot about normal lring they need to buff it HARD for it to be viable again bruh

[fathom gale]

i dont think they want it to be viable

[half pike]

yeah

it seems they dont want mythics to be obtainable unless you do some crazy grinding

[fathom gale]

which is fine by me, they killed one super toxic community

[little olive]

Tbh people just need to accept that mythics are actually affordable now

[half pike]

which sucks

[fathom gale]

??????????????????????????????????????

[bright sage]

it didn’t kill the lring community what 😭

[half pike]

methods for mythic getting being nerfed into the ground

that is true have you seen lr discord

[bright sage]

they just moved onto lr camps

[little olive]

Lr camps are worse than release but feel fair nos

[half pike]

new good method getting nerfed

[fathom gale]

but they can no longer be toxic towards random casuals opening chests or trying to lr for the first time

[bright sage]

mythics are easier to get than ever tho wdym

[half pike]

and then got immediately nerfed multiple times

[bright sage]

real

[little olive]

Tbh they only did one actual nerf (halving mythic rate), everything else were bugfixes

[fathom gale]

everything else was making lootruning less and less fun

[half pike]

yeah

[bright sage]

a bit of grind isn’t even that bad tho this is an mmorpg

[half pike]

aquastacking and finding mythics werent that fun but they were what came the closest

[little olive]

Yeah, the bugs were fun, I can see why they removed them (being slightly op and not intended) but it feels a lot more boring now

[half pike]

if they fixed beacons i feel like camps have the potential to actually be good

[little olive]

Also forgot about aquastacking 💀
Tbh i think it would be enough if they buffed pulls some more

[fathom gale]

huh

that wont make anything more fun, just more mythics with the same boring method

[crystal lantern]

is Empyreal Emberplate finally in rotation yet

[young ore]

Yes I can

[woeful grail]

On god

[fathom gale]

il faceplant my fist in your speaking device if i see you do it 🔪

[teal radish]

oMg yOu’Re sNiPiNg mE, wTF

i cLaImEd tHiS wOrLd lOsEr

[fathom gale]

real

[quiet lark]

use /stream challenge

[bright sage]

i miss sniping peoples worlds

wynn will never be the same

[fathom gale]

the random newbie that is just opening random chests probably doesnt know about it

[cedar locust]

introduce a way to salvage unwanted mythics so that shiny mythics can be made

[bright sage]

Yeah and give every shiny mythic a float like csgo so you can salvage three springs to make an unid shiny spring and it can have any float possible but you need to roll it to see the float and the lower the float the shinier the mythic is

[silver siren]

That entire paragraph is word garbage fused together

[fierce patio]

shiny mythic patterns when

#1 pattern #1 float blue gem spring

[scarlet cargo]

Frankly I think most players were already quitting within like a week of a major update, with or without mythics, because the jump in investment between "get a basic full build going so you can do raids" and "grind out enough raids and lootruns to either luck into a mythic or be able to afford one" was previously way too high with basically no real rewards for a while unless you liked accumulating LE or got insanely lucky.

Like playercounts when updates dropped for the past few years was in the 3-5k player range, but would usually drop to like 1.5-2k within two weeks. This update hasn't drawn nearly as many players, as it's gotten like 2.5k peaks, but it seems to be retaining a lot more because we're still getting like 2k player peaks after two weeks even without the massive initial wave

[lone leaf]

i mean tbf the update isn’t much content

[pallid kestrel]

Bro 💀

[teal radish]

when the endgame content update isn’t much content:

[fathom gale]

This update literally brought the best piece of gameplay wynn has ever seen (imo atleast).. but ofc with every hotfix the fun aspect is getting nerfed (and somehow mythic rate is still high?)

[lone leaf]

im not sure what point i was trying to make with that message

[fathom gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101685631211540510/1115869531387199579/1059003175937519646.gif

[hybrid frigate]

Honestly tho agree that LRs offer the best gameplay in wynn but it still needs a lot of improvements

[fathom gale]

If only they could stop targeting the fun of lootruning with their nerfs and instead focus on reducing mythic rates

[hard heron]

^

importantly, whether you get a good run should involve more players agency than just beacon choice rng

[hybrid frigate]

I mean, getting dark grey out of 5 challenges jail was a gameplay buff

It just introduced unfun play patterns

More staring beacon choices and more beacon types would be a fun thing
Vibrant purple should probably give 1 curse only. You kinda never want to pick it anyway
Boons should have more melee options, aqua should actually add more boon picks, not just more boons to choose from
Yellow beacon is still in it's current state. Even if the spelunk bug is too hard to fix without creating some loopholes, just add a challenge reward chest after a spelunk is over, not like it's going to mess up the economy
Cork LR is still unbearable

[fathom gale]

nah vibrant purple is nice, when im on a long run i just grab 4 vibrant purples so i can get the 8 curses asap for boon stacking

[hybrid frigate]

I could see that being a thing but for me it just feels like shooting yourself in the foot

[fathom gale]

absolutely not

having 8 curses so you can pickup curse scaling boons is massive

curse scaling boons are op

[hybrid frigate]

I would rather not have a risk of getting 90% damage reduction

[lone leaf]

youll barely notice it

[fathom gale]

pffft what are the odds of that happening

[vocal coral]

@fathom gale im sure u posted somewhere but i havent seen, what are your ideas for making the gameplay more fun?

[hybrid frigate]

True, but damage reduction curse is ass if you get more than 2 of it still

My first ever experience with the dark grey beacon was picking it as the first challenge and getting 4/5 damage reduction curses (twas back in the first days of 2.0.3)

[fathom gale]

reduce mythic rate, +1 beacon choice for grandmaster rank, rework dark grey to be less rewarding in short runs and more rewarding in long runs, and overflow xp leaderboard for grandmaster(ive seen someone else mention this but i dont remember who)

[fathom gale]

meh i dont start feeling it untill 4 DR curses

[vocal coral]

ye that all sounds p good

ngl i kind of enjoyed lrs when aqua was super duper common but i think thats just cuz it made it really easy to get consistent runs and you didn't have bad beacon luck frustration as much

[fathom gale]

one time i was so jacked up on boons (especialy crit) that i was doing over 1mill dps THROUGH the 90% DR

[fathom gale]

yeah that bug was fun but a little too op

it completely removed RNG from lootruning pretty much

RNG should be reduced a bit but not completely removed like that

cuz at that point good runs get so common that you dont get excited for them

[vocal coral]

yeah very fair. imo dark grey and pull table can be tweaked in an elegant way to incentivize and reward longer runs and balance the mythic rate more, that already does a lot

[hybrid frigate]

What if dark grey beacon was like "All next challenges give 1 curse and 1-2 more pulls for completion"

[vocal coral]

+1 perma beacon choice and leaving two oranges still seems p good to me tbh, you really need 6 beacons minimum to make a run "god" consistently (though you can manage with 5 with good rng)

[hybrid frigate]

You can do a god run with 5 and no rng

And 4 is like a bit rng

[vocal coral]

i mean i guess you can run yourself out of reds and greens

but i meant a time-efficient godrun

[vocal coral]

seems interesting, my idea was similar but in the opposite way of scaling it based on ur current extra pulls/curses. either way, incentivize taking more curses and force players to try and be able to judge a balance point of how many cursese they can still complete challenges with

[hybrid frigate]

I'd argue turning like every run into a slightly longer than needed god run is more time efficient overall

[hybrid frigate]

Anything that gives curses in a bunch will just be a run ender that might as well not have a downside

[bright sage]

only thning i disagree with is the long runs shit i’ve seen u do 3h runs bruh 😭

[fathom gale]

yeah and those 3h runs have given me jack shit

where as 20-30 min runs have given me tons of mythics

[bright sage]

i hope u don’t mean it incentivises going for 3h long runs n shit, or atleast it doesn’t incentivise it heavily so the player can choose based off solely what they prefer

[silver siren]

It should reward it but it shouldn’t force it

[bright sage]

yea

i love 30m-1h lootruns

[silver siren]

I love me some endgame content that’s just “go for as long as you can” most of my playtime in Warfame is screaming in region chat or in an endless mode

[hybrid frigate]

Having too many pulls is actually kinda a waste

Because you will likely make use of less rerolls

[fathom gale]

yeah cuz mythics are so common they will appear in a 30 pull run

[hybrid frigate]

If we had exact mythic chances it would be possible to calculate a lot of funny stats like that

[hybrid frigate]

They will appear in low pulls either way lol

[ocean peak]

While it may not be much original content, it’s pretty great that one of the most criticized parts of wynn was reworked to be pretty good

Now time for prof rework

[bright sage]

the old lootrunning was pretty shit

thank fuck they changed it

[faint summit]

the pirate thing cave is very laggy and the chest outside with the pirate captain often does not refill which leads to not getting the beacon... lost my vibrant aqua boosted vibrant dark gray 3 times now to this problem 😦

[vital raft]

You don't need the chest outside anymore for the pirate lattice

They changed it recently to have a 4th chest in the cave

[young ore]

L

[fathom gale]

you

[fathom gale]

i hope next hotfix fixes the 6 eyes cave kicking you out 0.5 seconds after opening the entrance

[little olive]

At least it prevents you from taking the normal exit which deletes all of your eyes (in your inventory)

[fathom gale]

why would you have eyes in your inventory if you have opened the entrance

[pallid kestrel]

what is the new loot in the chests ?

[ocean peak]

can aqua please no longer be limited in how many total you can get in a lootrun since we cant stack anymore

[little olive]

Stacking them up so you dont waste time during lr

[woeful grail]

totally not what im doing for statue cave

[fathom gale]

yeah i do that for statue and the fake chest cave

but doing it for eyes sounds more trouble than its worth

[little olive]

Does mimic cave not delete keys if you have more than you need?

[fathom gale]

i dont use the exit there, i just fly back through the entrance while its open

and if it closes i just gota use 1 key instead of 4

[woeful grail]

Need to start doing that

[rare sedge]

I thought they kinda got rid of that

But ig it still works, it's just harder to do so

[unreal robin]

MASSIVE COPE RN but bruh rip not only mythic prices tank RIP THE RARE ANd legendary prices of some of my favorite rare items. cope about libra and bottle sky price tanking

[fathom gale]

nah thank fuck the legendary/rare prices are droping

gatekeeping rare/legendary items from new players behind absurd prices is super cringe

imagine you are a fresh lvl 100 and the pants for a basic non mythic build cost you more than some mythics on the market

[unreal robin]

eeek imo 1 or 2 le for an item isnt bad dont tank prices to 20 EB

[fathom gale]

they were literaly 20LE or more

[teal radish]

Yeah, the problem with rares and legendaries right now is the opposite of that. The small pool of the chest makes some rares/legendaries still have absurd prices. It's especially bad for the rares, which you don't even get in high pull runs.

[fathom gale]

a new player would literaly have to sell their kidney to make a build with aquamarine/dark shroud

and some other items

[unreal robin]

libra were like 4 le last time i checked? the only crazy one si knew were dark shroud and like 1 other i forget

[unreal robin]

ya

[fathom gale]

when was the last time you checked

[unreal robin]

it was around TNa times

[fathom gale]

as in..?

[unreal robin]

2/3 months after tna dropped

[fathom gale]

tna has been around for quite a bit but im pretty sure at the begining of 2.0.3 up untill the current rotation libra prices were also infalted like shit

[stable pecan]

libra and dshroud are both in the se chest right now, right?

[unreal robin]

cork

[fathom gale]

im sorry to break it to you but they are in corkus..

[stable pecan]

mmm I remembered getting both of them and forgot which I guess

[stable pecan]

also I run corkus! sometimes!
it's not terrible!

[fathom gale]

it is....

[unreal robin]

i just feel bad hiving the "few" legendaries worth alot feel devalued even more, idk all the old stuff i liked about lr is getting rekt basuically

[fathom gale]

il never run corkus unless idol/warp/shiny warp/shiny fatal appear there

[stable pecan]

would you believe me if one of my guild mates just said in chat "cork is easy"

[fathom gale]

sounds like a psycho

[stable pecan]

he does it on shaman as far as I know too which
gamer

[hybrid frigate]

aleph null will become the most eхpensive item in the game frfr

[woeful grail]

Good thing i have 10 unid

[soft thicket]

What’s aleph null

[hybrid frigate]

tna legs

[teal radish]

Greg doesn’t have legs tf

[hybrid frigate]

He skipped the leg day smh

[teal radish]

lol

[soft thicket]

What makes it good

[bright sage]

its a pretty unique item

[little olive]

The steamjet walkers in question

[autumn trail]

Shadestepper buff pls? :)

[teal radish]

paladin buff first

plz

[vocal coral]

yeah i usually go for around ~100 pulls seems to be effective loot table wise

[half pike]

ong

[fathom gale]

arcanist buff! (or riftbender + riftwalker nerf)

[half pike]

readd assassin flight

isnt arcanist best mage

idk maybe im wrong cuz i play arcanist and havent played in ages

[fathom gale]

it once again gets outdpsed by both archetypes that can heal (its still more fun so thats a W ofc)

[half pike]

so true

[fathom gale]

granted riftwalker needs macro and riftbender lacks the aoe arcanist has but its still silly that the archetypes with heal have a higher dps cap than the archetype without heal

[half pike]

wait no dont say that they remove everything fun

[fathom gale]

shit yeah nvm arcanist is boring dont worry about it salted

damn i just realised boon stat points dont count towards weapon stat req 😭

[teal radish]

that’s so sad and depressing

[wraith gazelle]

Tbf that's how raid buffs work too, so not really that unsurprising

[fathom gale]

well i never tried in raids so i just assumed it works

[stable pecan]

getting ready to use time rift on top of a intless build

[vocal coral]

is winded actually higher DPS, takes so long to stack up the dmg boost

also you need to build way more mana onto it

[fathom gale]

no you dont

[vocal coral]

why not? idt it's possible to get manastorm on riftwalker without dropping cheaper meteor 1 no?

[fathom gale]

it is and there is some goofy ahh tech that went unnoticed for the entire first few months of 2.0 where if you have less than 20 combined cost of ice snake and meteor (so like 18.5 meteor 1 ice snake) you can practicaly spell spam at any CPS you want with macro

[vocal coral]

lol manastorm go brrr ig

wait this tree is really possible tf I guess I haven't looked at rift in a while

[fathom gale]

actualy you do have to drop cheaper meteor 1 iirc

[vocal coral]

ya which makes that total cost thing tough on items like warp afaik

[little olive]

did shiftclicking with compass in hand always open ability tree?

[soft thicket]

yes

[little olive]

consider my mind to be blown

[teal radish]

u might know this one already, but you can also click compass/quest book in inventory to open rather than scrolling to them on hotbar

[little olive]

yeah i jsut never shiftclicked with compass in hand before

[unreal robin]

I hope this get attention, I know you want to stop people from /kill in tna but having to stop doing tna cause I’m out of soul points is really annoying. I didn’t even notice the change and lost like 15+ tol cause I wasn’t looking

Idk, kinda dumb change in my opinion. But there probably no easy way to make /kill the only way to lose soul points or something. Idk just frustrating

[sinful ravine]

i mean it's really not hard. just don't /kill

[unreal robin]

i wasnt /kill i was just dying in normal rooms since my build is kinda glassy

after 20 raids i didnt realize the few times of me dying started adding up

especially with dumb rooms like the light room ugh

it makes me want to be even more usless during the rooms and hide since dying matter even more

idk its just dumb to me having to wait to keep doing raids cause wynn keeps soul points EVEN THOUGH NOT A SINGLE PERSON BESIDES SALTED LIKES THem

[stable pecan]

wh
it's been specifically pointed out that Salted doesn't like soul points either
when things were actually going to be changed, I have no idea

[teal radish]

I thought raids didnt reduce soul points

[sleek valley]

they reduce them once per raid run

if you die multiple times you only lose sp the first time

[teal radish]

ah

[teal radish]

hows work on TLS quest going?

[soft thicket]

I like to imagine TLS is just never going to have a quest it’d be very funny

[untold bison]

(She doesn't know)

[untold bison]

This is just an issue with mythics being easy lol

[fathom gale]

It's also an issue with some legendary/rare items not being obtained for a prolonged period of time

[untold bison]

You typed something but none of it make sense

[fathom gale]

It's literally supply and demmand .. how does that make no sense

No supply and high demand = prices skyrocket for random items

[silver siren]

Yea some items are fucking expensive, like this one legendary neck that’s like 10 LE because of how rare it is

Don’t remember the name but I used it in an Assassin build and was shocked by the price, it was like the same as Stardew prices

And it had like 2 on TM

[fathom gale]

the only legendary neck i can think of that would be capable of coming even close to 10 le would be tenuto?

surely its not any of the charms

[unreal robin]

Agree a chestplate called seagasser or something was 20 le for the cheapest one, that’s more expensive than some mythics now

[untold bison]

bc normal t3 t4 are useless

[silver siren]

Yea tenuto

[silver siren]

It was like this before LR update bud

Tenuto is just rare

[untold bison]

no

[silver siren]

Yea?

My guy I was having this problem with Tenuto years before LR update

[untold bison]

def just a u problem

[silver siren]

Bro what

[fringe mortar]

i remember good tenuto's being a stack 😄

[silver siren]

I got a decent one for about 10 le luckily, idk where I put it though lmao it’s been years since I’ve actually used it

[trim elbow]

ye tenuto has been expensive for ages

[silver siren]

Is it like a quest reward or something or is it just so down in the loot priority it just never shows up?

[trim elbow]

what

it’s just in the 80s lvl range lmao that’s why it doesn’t

[silver siren]

I assumed it was something like Draoi but I forgot Draoi was made tradeable recently

I remember LRing for Roulette and also hoping for a Tenuto during 1.20, I got neither 😭

[vocal coral]

it's only from t3 t4 in chests that are mostly non mythic level range, same as suppression

so you have to go out of your way to get it, and it's good. simple supply and demand

for a very long time, non mythic items have been better moneymakers than several mythics, you just have to know what's good and in demand but also not in supply. this is far from the first time uniques, rares, or legendaries are selling for more than mythics

[trim elbow]

yeah but it’s the first time it’s this extensive tbf

market manipulator moment

[vocal coral]

don't think it's manipulation, it's just normal market dynamics
whether they are desirable or not is a different question

[little olive]

Yeah, random items with moche usecases are also really expensive because they take long to sell so almost noone puts them on tm

[soft thicket]

does soul eater stack

[trim elbow]

probably not

[pallid kestrel]

Why was azeotrope removed from chests

[teal radish]

lol ur banned

[unreal robin]

lmao

[trim elbow]

took long enough tbh

[silver siren]

Banned from the game or what

[unreal robin]

discord i think

[silver siren]

Oh thank god

What did he do, I thought he was just kind of rude and had bad ideas

Maybe he left on his own or something lol

[unreal robin]

semi trasphobia in a thread

imo. but could be considered full on transphobia

[silver siren]

oof, to be expected since he has “my pronouns are USA” in his profile

Only people who do that are ironic or jerks

[modern pier]

STFU YOU PATHETIC TRANSPHOBIC KID!!! 🤬

[cunning verge]

lil guy can't even respond 😭 you're kicking him when he's down

based though he was a bit Wretched

[dapper shore]

Surprised it took this long honestly, he was a blemish to class builds chat and has been saying weird stuff since he joined

[silver siren]

I don’t know what he’s been saying outside of #1019649786799996980 but all his suggestions sucked

My first interaction with him was on thread to prevent selling locked items to blacksmith and he was like “This is a shitty idea” then an hour later he commented “this is a great idea” then got pissed when everyone laughed their asses off at him selling a mythic to a blacksmith

[dapper shore]

He would reply to newbies asking for builds with atrocious builds

[silver siren]

Yea all the builds he posted in his Shaman thread had blatent flaws

[dapper shore]

Either that or copy commonly used builds that other people made and say "check out my build" lol

Lets just say, he was quite the heavily opinionated, confident fellow for someone who knew jack shit

[silver siren]

Uh huh, wouldn’t mind the guy if he was open to criticism of his takes, he wasn’t though

It is funny that people were searching for any reason to ban him

[dapper shore]

Idk, he got banned for saying the stuff he usually says. He just said it around the wrong people. Most of us just ignored him.

Anyway I dont wanna get this thread offtopic, lets just leave it at that. Hes gone and no longer an issue for us (i hope)

[silver siren]

I heard that uh t3 and t4 chests suck

[dapper shore]

The content of those dont matter much for lootrunning since people just open them to complete missions now.

[vast cairn]

Idk man it feels like they buffed mythic rates from chests cuz I’ve been getting significantly more, maybe just dumb luck?

[raven bramble]

This is prob uttered to all magnium but I feel like the Corkus vs Lutho feels heavily in favor to Lutho as not only is it smaller, but arguably... a lot easier to do. Corkus has the problem (at least in my opinion so far) that it's pretty large...ish... at least compared to Lutho it's larger and has more obstacles to go around, also the caves in there take a lot longer compared to Lutho...

Also Pirate Lattice.

[vast cairn]

It also only has 8 challenges and you only get 3 minutes per white challenge instead of 4 in SE iirc

[dapper shore]

Nah its just that before if you didnt abuse stuff like necron bot you would find chests that were looted a few minutes ago

[quick summit]

I feel like that's my main gripe with corkus lr right now

I feel like I don't even know what area I'm going to even with the beacons guiding me because its so big
Also Pirate Lattice is tolerable now that they added checkpoints in it

[raven bramble]

There's checkpoints?

[quick summit]

In a recent update there is yeah

[raven bramble]

Oh dang

[quick summit]

It looks kinda cursed but hey its better than nothing
Also the melee guys don't have KB Immunity anymore

[raven bramble]

The last thing I remember them updating was that you didn't have to beat the boss anymore

But either way, I just feel like compared to Lutho, why even run Corkus?

[quick summit]

Which may not be a godsend for most classes but for me it is
No longer have to deal with my damn arrow shield immediately expiring once I cast it

[raven bramble]

Even if there's Mythics that you want there, it just feels awful to always go through it.

Because you might be forever unlucky and the stuff you need, is congrats, on the other side of the island where you're prob gonna have to squeeze or scale a huge hill/mountain

[quick summit]

Mind you: its still kinda annoying to miss a checkpoint, and be sent back to nearly the start, but that faults most likely on you for being greedy
And even then it at the very least takes like, 2 minutes instead of taking 2 milleniums

Oh also they nerfed corkus scaling recently

[raven bramble]

But yeah, still, the caves compared to Lutho to Corkus, is astondingly odd. Lutho's caves are insanely short

[quick summit]

Its now +20% damage and +60% health
Hey I'll take it

[quick summit]

Hot take: That's moreso a problem with Lutho caves

[raven bramble]

Honestly I like the short caves, don't get me wrong

[quick summit]

I mean stuff like the key cave, whatever it is only takes a few seconds and barely provides a challenge at all.
Unless they updated it recently to have jacked mobs or whatever

[raven bramble]

Oh no, none of the caves are a real challenge

[quick summit]

Admittidley that's probably the worst offender but still

[raven bramble]

The only cave that's a "challenge" is the Lantern but that's cause of teleport go brrt

I think the worst offender is The Which that Condenses

[silver siren]

Me when um uh STEALING, STEALING THEFT I LIKE PILFERING

[raven bramble]

Nah actually I think it's the path one... I forgot it's name

[quick summit]

I thought you were talking about the Slime witch

Coaleses, I think.

[raven bramble]

Yeah I think that's the slime one, I was talking about the ender mites one

That one is just absurdly easy as well as the invisible path one cause if you happen to be a class that can fly it's not too much of a challenge

[covert veldt]

The place condensed is the one with the endermites yeah

[raven bramble]

Cool

[quick summit]

Oh yeah and Corkus actually has challenges now that aren't just spelunks

[raven bramble]

Anyways, I think the worst offenders in mobs is Totem and LAZER for Corkus because Totem has teleport stun which is... incredibly annoying. And Lutho has Lantern which is... just teleport every few seconds

Said challenges can take you to literal other sides of the island or take a yellow

Which just feels awful at the beginning of the run

[covert veldt]

Why is Aquifier cave so far in the avos camp :/

[raven bramble]

I hate it too

[quick summit]

Like the grand total of my last runs werent actually spelunks its pretty lit

[raven bramble]

Luckily it's really easy cause it's just one guy and with Battle Monk I just kinda skip across it

[covert veldt]

Yeah the cave itself is Lutho tier

[raven bramble]

Oddly enough the Corkus challenges that AREN'T Spelunks is oddly just really nice

[quick summit]

I think I only did Lattice and Junk Pit?

Not Junk Pit
Animation Totem twice

Animation totem is free on archer since you can just camp on the top of the arena its great

[raven bramble]

I think that for Corkus especially, that Beacons should be locked from not going X distance to prevent you from having to haul from one side of Corkus to the other at the beginning, but that's just me

Animation Totem sucks as Warrior from my experience

[quick summit]

Oh wait, I also did warehouse

[raven bramble]

I can only imagine how it feels for Assassins

[covert veldt]

Assassin can cheese with smoke bomb if needed

[raven bramble]

Fair enough

[covert veldt]

Altho it won't be really fast

Then again you are lootrunning Corkus' terrain with Assassin. Not exactly ideal

[quick summit]

By the way, is the slow runner boon bugged rn?
I swear it gave me like, 96% damage last run even when I had 10 minutes on the clock

[raven bramble]

Oh yeah, so Boons are bugged when it tries to give you more than 5 from my experience

Because I had an option to get 7 (for context it was blue or Yellow and the run was not going well) and it only gave me 5

3 of which were just Move Speed, 1 was Loot Bonus, and 1 was Elemental Damage per curse

[covert veldt]

Been a thing since Beta, I don't think it's been complained about much since there were much more pressing issues

[raven bramble]

Weird. Ah well

[covert veldt]

I do wish it gave you more then 5 options as well

[raven bramble]

Cause sometimes, those 5 options are just... not good

[quick summit]

Make it so if you have the option to gain more than 5, it instead lets you take another boon from that pool

[raven bramble]

Actually that'd be kinda neat

I wondered about that actually, why doesn't 2 Aquas give you 1 extra boon to choose

Of course it'd get broken REALLY fast

But there's prob a way to balance it that my monkey brain can't think of at it's sleep deprived state

[covert veldt]

I don't even think it would be that strong, because it would be about the same as just taking the same amount of blue beacons

[raven bramble]

I guess so

[covert veldt]

Except with your change you could take the 2 best out of X rather then 1 out of 2-3, twice

[raven bramble]

I'm not a super expert on Lootruns so what I say can be 100% taken with grains of salt

[covert veldt]

Slightly better, which would honestly be welcome. Would be a reason to not be sad to use an aqua on a blue of all things

[raven bramble]

It's even worse when it's blue yellow

[covert veldt]

Yeah

[raven bramble]

And you're just standing there like: But Orang

[covert veldt]

At 'least let me settle on a purple so I can get some pulls out of this run

[raven bramble]

Also I found out that Orange Beacons had a cap... the hard way

And I mean how many more beacons it gives you

Although I think one very helpful thing would be an indicator telling you when you're going to lose beacons/how many beacons that will show. Unless that's a bug that I'm unaware of

[covert veldt]

Blue, Purple, Yellow can always show up, White, Grey, Rainbow and Dark Grey can be picked up once (And will show up whenever possible, except for Grey that can't be shown twice in a row), Red and Green show up any time they can, with a limit of 10 takes per run (Aqua is same but also cannot be stacked for more then 2 times in a row, unless you go Aqua -> Aqua -> Rainbow -> Aqua -> Aqua, since the first aqua stacks won't be used), and Orange can be picked up twice and always show up

I have heard that wynntils would get some kind of beacon tracker soon ? Would be very nice to have

[raven bramble]

Very much so

But I moreso meant that I'd have access to 6 beacons, then randomly it'd drop to 5 beacons then back to 6.

[fathom gale]

artemis is your best friend

[raven bramble]

Well alright then

[covert veldt]

It kinda makes sense, altho I've sometime seen greens and reds not show up when they were remaining

[fathom gale]

the tracker works but there is one bug that they are aware of and will soon fix, beacon tracking resets to 0 when you class

so keep that in mind if you use it

[covert veldt]

Most recent update I'd presume?

[fathom gale]

yeah it was released yesterday

you have to add a function manualy to have it showup tho

and the functions can be found in wynntils discord

[covert veldt]

Alright, I see. Ty for the info

[raven bramble]

Whelp gotta find that

[covert veldt]

Wait is it me or did they hotfix the aqua -> rainbow -> aqua thing

I mean shadow patch

[fathom gale]

i would not be suprised..

someone else was complaining about the same thing actualy

like 5 hours ago

[covert veldt]

Good if they did

It was a dumb interaction

[fathom gale]

maybe but shadow patches are still cringe 💤

[silver siren]

Indeed

[fathom gale]

but honestly no reason to complain about them as its clearly having no effect

[vast cairn]

My face when meteors knock them into the air so I cannot kill them

[covert veldt]

Oh yeah that's a silly bug too

[fathom gale]

atleast they reduced the meteor KB a while back.. it was so terrible before

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027942195510128712/1028630518423625748/Wynncraft_2022-10-09_14-23-45.mp4

haha funy spider go flyyyyy

[vast cairn]

Why can’t we directly target airborne mobs with meteor

• meteor in pirate lattice is annoying due to the amount of holes, my meteors keep going into the gaps even though I’m aiming on the platforms

[teal radish]

does it track red challenges (like when u start getting time bonus again)?

[fathom gale]

dont think so

[teal radish]

aww

hope they add that

[lone leaf]

only time u appreciate cci forreal

[fathom gale]

i love cci, i want to marry cci

everything should have cci

[fathom gale]

ok i just got aqua > rainbow > red and the red gives me +4 which is the default vibrant red number what?

dont tell me rainbow resets aqua stacks now ( i love shadow patches)

[ocean peak]

they do

[fathom gale]

i hope thats an unintentional bug or whatever but i highly doub it..
wynncraft devs when they see a feature that the players enjoy: 🔪

[vital raft]

I think the way it previously worked was the unintentional bug.....

[fathom gale]

probably.. the only way we could ever get fun stuff is through bugs

[vital raft]

surely they will make lootruns great again in shadow patch 5

only by accident of course

[fathom gale]

but whats so bad about rainbow not reseting the aqua stacks?

like i get aqua aqua rainbow aqua aqua being bad

but doing aqua > rainbow should not reset the aqua stack

[vital raft]

too many rerolls!!!!!!

[fathom gale]

no..

aqua rainbow would be like 3 rerolls...

[vital raft]

there was better ways to fix it they just chose the easiest...

[fathom gale]

or 4

there is absolutely no reason for aqua aqua rainbow to not work when its literaly worse than rainbow aqua aqua

[trim elbow]

you do know every class can cheese animation totem right

[fathom gale]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-i-have-the-high-ground-gif-4939538

wynncraft mobs when elevation:

[vital raft]

standing on a ledge to chesse 80% of content 🤯

[fathom gale]

i wonder how many times are they going to absolutely gut lootruning before they realise the fix is as simple as reducing the mythic chance

[trim elbow]

me when removing aqua rainbow stack is uh "absolutely gutting lootrunning"

[fringe mortar]

also i don't think that the pool rotation should be completely random as it is now

[fathom gale]

its not just that.. they keep removing stuff one by one in shadow patches untill eventualy there is nothing fun left

[trim elbow]

shrug
still better than old lring

[fathom gale]

and tell me whats wrong with being able to do aqua > rainbow > orange to get +4 orange ?

[little olive]

it buffs your vibrant chance to 200% instead of 100%

[fringe mortar]

i don't see why having less aqua beacons means less fun

its literally some beacon color

the fun should be in the challenges themselves no?

[trim elbow]

anyway I might try a 132 challenge run tmrw where I take as many yellows as possible

[fathom gale]

whats less fun is that they keep removing fun beacon interactions that make the actual run more fun and yet the mythics are still as common as dirt to the point where u can find them with 30 pull runs

[trim elbow]

you'd be able to find mythics with 4 pull runs no matter what the chance is lol

[fathom gale]

yeah but not as often

[fringe mortar]

ofc u can find mythics in 30 pull runs. u can find mythics by killing a mob 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯 🤯

[fathom gale]

i havent found a mythic by killing a mob in the lsat 7 years ive playd the game

ive found like 10 mythics in under 50 pull runs in 1 week of lring

[fringe mortar]

fun beacon interactions more like beacon interactions that don't make any sense and are more like a bug than a feature

[fathom gale]

without lring all day long

[trim elbow]

I got 5 mob kill mythics in one run once
haha uncapped boons were so funny

[fringe mortar]

yeah okay but that is a rate issue

[fathom gale]

thats what im talking about no ?

[fringe mortar]

u say the beacon fixes / changes make it way less fun for u. thats the part i don't understand

[fathom gale]

?

the way i see it they are doing these changes to hopefully reduce the mythics that are being found but thats doing nothing besides making lring less fun

[trim elbow]

imo a lot of problems would be solved by simply removing orange

a lot of beacons could be given more power without awful consequences

obv you'd buff base beacon choices in return but

[fringe mortar]

(why does the rainbow beacon exist it makes like all runs with rainbows op and all other ones useless)

[trim elbow]

(idk but now that it exists salted wouldn't be able to remove it without extreme backlash so)

[fringe mortar]

(that is true)

[teal radish]

maybe rainbow should just buff vibrant chance instead, it’d at least make the aquas stacked into it not wasted

and make vibrant rainbow better

something like 20% base buff, 2 can appear would be good I think

aqua > aqua > rainbow would +60% vibrant chance for 70% total, then grab a vibrant rainbow to max out chance

or +30% and limit at 1, then aqua aqua rainbow would get to 100% chance (current effect of rainbow)

[little olive]

that would just make current lootrunning nerf and more rng reliant

[teal radish]

it’d make it easier to buff other beacons, since getting all beacons vibrant wouldn’t be as easy

and it would probably be more balanced rng, since rainbow would likely be more common

[fathom gale]

when you try to rely on brute force and collecting every limited beacon instead of pure luck (0 oranges and 0 greys appeared the entire run) 🤡 <- me right now

back to ending every run that didnt start with aqua orange before challenge 10 i go

[bright sage]

47 challenges in 1.5h dam dawg unlucky

i swear grays and dark grays are 1% without an orange beacon 😭

[fathom gale]

Yeah that was truly the run of all times, I used all greens and reds barely ever saw any blues so it was rough and I had a few curses xd

And orange simply decided to not exist

[timber dock]

on that note i dont think orange can appear after atleast challenge 30 ish

[teal radish]

orange has to have been nerfed at some point, it seemed so common in beta

[timber dock]

i had a run with 10+ options only 1 orange used and orange stopped appearing after a while

sadly i do not recall the exact moment it stopped appearing

[fathom gale]

Well if I ever get a +10 orange beacon il try to pay attention to that

[finite heart]

Welcome to my rng, except i never got oranges commonly

[fathom gale]

Rly doesn't surprise me if there are mechanics we still don't know about

[timber dock]

it was after the hotfix where one of the CTS mentioned Orange appearance rates get reduced after every challenge

Honestly off my memory I haven't seen an orange appear at 15+ but I usually don't let runs go on for that long without already having orange. Idk if anyone else has seen oranges appear after challenge 15?

[hybrid frigate]

I saw second orange at like 20+

[fathom gale]

either way its significantly rarer the more challenges you do

ive goten orange within the first 5 challenges so many times its insane but once you go past 10 it becomes the rarest beacon ever

which is why the meta is either get a god run in the first 10 challenges or just give up the run

kinda anoying meta but it is what it is

[timber dock]

yeah I have the same experience on getting orange often on 5 or less challenges

[fathom gale]

especialy on challenge 1 it feels like there is a 30% chance for it to appear

[timber dock]

Idk if it was like that before the aqua bug

[fathom gale]

it probably was but the aqua bug overwrited it

[soft thicket]

I liked the aqua bug because there was a very clear strategy on what to do but now it’s like really slow and it’s significantly harder to get decent runs

[glad ermine]

did i just see someone asking to nerf rainbow to only have a chance of beacons vibrant? what kind of psychopath would want that? it would make runs even more rng then they already are, such a dog suggestion

[fathom gale]

idk for some reason a lot of people especialy whoever is responsible for the hotfixes love the idea of making lring less fun, more rng with hella high mythic drop rate instead of less rng more fun and less mythic rate

i cant quite comprehend this myself but 🤷

[soft thicket]

I did one corkus lootrun yesterday for 12 challenges and my feedback is to make corkus smaller

Delete the top half of the island what could possibly go wrong

[gentle grail]

"Why can't I get a mythic every 2 hours this is no fun"