2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[silver siren]

Your mom is either free or super hard

Wait………..

[timber thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-25649629

[fathom gale]

personaly i would never torture myself by lootruning on shaman

[drifting tapir]

I think lootrunning should be fun and possible on all classes, or it missing the mark with being acessible

[silver siren]

Sadly some people think too low of themselves to play a good class so they play Shaman

[drifting tapir]

you shakad your last laka

[fathom gale]

i mean every class excells in different gameplay

[silver siren]

Like how Shaman excels at sucking

[short cave]

shaman would be good in lr if it had an mobility

[drifting tapir]

I mean I am flying everywhere

[silver siren]

Shaman would be good in Lr if it wasn’t shaman

[drifting tapir]

works well on lutho because its compact, don't work on corkus

[short cave]

i mean shaman kit is strong in lr

[silver siren]

Make Shaman better by making it Archer 2

(Totally unbiased Archer main)

[fathom gale]

bro actualy hates shaman more than me

[short cave]

like how trapper is summoner 2 make summoner trickster 2

[silver siren]

And make Trickster Riftwalker 2

[short cave]

trickster is fine

[silver siren]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-joker-joker-persona5-i-love-joker-persona5-gif-19781510

[drifting tapir]

I thought the chest changed throu the patch

[fathom gale]

this is so scuffed 🥶

[drifting tapir]

whats scuffed exactly?

[fathom gale]

the fact that i triple aqua stacked (wasted 2 rerolls) into purple and then got rainbow on 9/10

[drifting tapir]

thats rng for you

[teal radish]

and vibrant rainbow too lmao

[drifting tapir]

Vibrant rainbow is a joke

[teal radish]

they should make vibrant rainbow affect the next lootrun

[fathom gale]

wait so what was the deal with grey now? it just doesnt appear after the first 10 or ?

[timber thicket]

are you like

crazy
taking curses on first 10 challenges

[fathom gale]

i had no choice, i stacked 3 aqua's then got purple/yellow/blue

figured i might as well end it early with some pulls at that point

[drifting tapir]

yep

so its get lucky early or restart

[fathom gale]

and i keep getting yellow/green/purple so its rly just doomed

[timber thicket]

is it worth taking 2 rerolls or try to stack

[fathom gale]

i mean if greys dont apear past 10 challenges then honestly take it if you didnt get extremely lucky first 3-4 beacons

[timber thicket]

i got it at start, it's vibrant, iono should i or no

[fathom gale]

i wouldnt

[timber dock]

Is this an intended feature? Or bug

If its intended then lr is crippled

[fathom gale]

idk honestly

[tropic wing]

idk about u guys but my fav past time is resetting runs

[fathom gale]

i'd wager most CT dont know either

[tropic wing]

They said it was intended im pretty sure

[timber dock]

It is? Then gg lr

[fathom gale]

so lootruns will truly be decided in the first 6-7 challenges

with no way to salvage it overtime

[tropic wing]

Yep

[timber dock]

I mean its stupid since its near impossible to get a good run now

You need to get like 1 rainbow 2 orange 3, 4 red 5 aqua 6, 8 Grey 9

That seems like hell to get 🤮

[frank atlas]

Whats going on.png
Loot chests (normal ones, not challenge) are supposed to scale on time but they are not scaling on time. Top one untouched for 3 days, bottom untouched for 1 day. Same loot, same LB (both discoverer only, 199 lb). Can be replicated across hundreds of chests

[spring sky]

all of this for highest reward being 5 fucking LE

[timber thicket]

2 rerolls

[spring sky]

greys don't show up I swear

[teal radish]

greys stop showing up past 10 now

[timber thicket]

I know it's hard to stack them now but 6 rr 60 pulls are going to be better than 2rr 84

[spring sky]

they need to revert LE nerfs honestly. 2 hours for 5 LE is crazy low

[quiet lark]

exploding head

[little olive]

From what i understood the cap on loot depends on chest tier now and they all recharge at similar/the same speey (but t3 will stop refilling before t4, etc.)

[frank atlas]

so are u saying that t1 and 2 chests are completely pointless

[little olive]

Propably

[timber thicket]

Seems like it

[teal radish]

nope

[frank atlas]

bc no way ppl are looting these for 11 emeralds per chest (i should add that 11 is actually higher than average, the average i found was closer to 8 emeralds)

[teal radish]

Chest loot increases at 30 minutes, 18 hours, and 3 days for all chests

[spring sky]

Btw what is the cap for green beacons? It stopped showing up for me past like 45 or something

[frank atlas]

but it factually doesnt. read post

[teal radish]

10 I believe

[teal radish]

yeah ik that’s the problem

pretty sure it’s bugged

From Reneg during hero beta

[unreal robin]

Honestly super agree, the disappointment when it comes to regular loot chests is pretty rough imo

[light pivot]

i got more mythics from regular loot chests during lootrun than i did from lootrun end chest this update

[bright sage]

i hope this is what gets changed next, so normal chests become more viable

[light pivot]

true

pls i want statue cave to give me more mythics

[bright sage]

didnt it take like 6h before for full t2s? why not have close to that amount still lol
i guess the problem comes in if people have like 5 different mage classes and they can just transfer their exact same warp lr builds across classes

tbh idrk what u could do lol but i think its important to address it

[unreal robin]

Idk just let the people who feel like wasting 5 class slots to lr be left alone there’s probably like 17 of them maximum

[ocean peak]

It’s always funny to watch popular opinion in wynncraft drastically and suddenly change, in this case “mythics are too common, the economy is dying!” to “mythics are way too hard to get now!”

to be fair they could’ve been overnerfed and I wouldn’t know because I haven’t tried the nerfed lootruns yet but it’s still funny nonetheless

[bright sage]

yeah i mean we'll tell with time if they've been overnerfed but i'm just happy to see people arent getting 6 mythics a day rn

[fiery scarab]

Well they quite drastically nerfed multiple things, and that compounds to a lot of nerfs and probably overnerfing

[bright sage]

i tihkn the only unnecessary nerf was like the gray beacons thing that was kinda annoying but idk

[fiery scarab]

Although I never thought cheaper mythics are that bad personally, I see why people don't like it due to economy reasons. I likewise don't mind that much that mythics have been made rarer.

[verbal mirage]

okay but

[fiery scarab]

what I care about is that they made long runs harder to get which I don't really like

[verbal mirage]

why is party capped at 8 now

[fiery scarab]

lootrunning has some issues to it that can't just be fixed by adjusting rates

those issues are Gray and Orange beacon:

• Gray is by far the best beacon choice for getting mythics. A buffed up gray beacon can triple your chances at getting a mythic which is quite insane
• Orange is similarly impactful, to the point where not getting an orange early on makes the run feel very lackluster

so what I'm tryna say is that not getting these beacons offered is a death sentence for your lootrun cuz rates have been balanced around runs where you get these beacons

devs should try to look for ways to make lootruns not terrible when you dont get these beacons offered

[tropic wing]

Also rainbow is a good run killer. If I don't get rainbow early and the orange I just fail the challenges

[fiery scarab]

i guess rainbow counts too. although it's so rare that I don't really expect it

But a change I propose is to add sublevels to admiral/commander/master (just like rookie/assistant/elite) and give them more perks, such as +1 beacon choice or +1 starting boon. Balance it out by also adding more beacons so that 3 choices doesn't guarantee the beacons you want

[frank atlas]

I think the beacon nerfs were the best thing they could have done. Rerolls were far too broken

[fiery scarab]

they were, but then they also nerfed mythic rates so without rerolls your run is now extra bad

making grey rarer is fine, but making it not show up after a certain amount of challenges is just weird to me

Although I'd much rather have it be more common but add curses, more consistency but also more risk

like +1 reroll, +1/+2 curse, so that many rerolls also adds a shit ton of curse

might even allow it to show up more than once for those extra greedy ppl

would be really nice for people who wanna do short but very hard runs

[fleet viper]

fix orange wybel

[fleet viper]

I barely got any rerolls since the update came out. so this just nerfed me harder than it needed to

[tropic wing]

Honestly if their was runs that like that are rewarding I would do them but they prob aren't gonna be as awarding as getting 50 boons and then rest curses

[frank atlas]

a consistent 1 grey beacon per run would be fine if aquas and vibrants didnt exist

[fiery scarab]

adding curses would make vibrant/buffed grey beacons not necessarily be better than normal variants, basically how you wouldn't really want a double aqua buffed vibrant dark grey beacon (unless it's your last challenge)

[untold junco]

Oh my god I wish I knew grey beacons stopped getting offered to you after a certain point

Because this is unacceptably painful

Like wow I'm really frustrated knowing I had a good 2 hour run mean nothing because the grey beacon I pulled was from the previous run and not the one I thought I was on

[covert veldt]

The fact that this wasn't communicated in the hotfix logs is a big oof

[light pivot]

the rally major id on anti-casuality isnt working for some reason

[robust shore]

Least reactionary update opinion

[drifting tapir]

so far I tired to get a few runs going but most of them you can just stop at 4 challenges done, because you did't luck out to get the right beacon combination

[glad ermine]

did an almost 3 hour run to get 2LE, great success

[teal radish]

wait that has rally?

[light pivot]

nah

i messed up the pants that one has the war cream thing

[teal radish]

oh i see

[light pivot]

infernal impulse is the rally one

[teal radish]

yea

[spring sky]

"War cream"

[light pivot]

fun fact for idol havers rally charge still deals damage

and triggers on flying kick

i tested it

[teal radish]

same for flyby jab

[light pivot]

dam so even more insane

[teal radish]

yeah major ID is basically a lie now

[light pivot]

didnt notice the flyby jab part i usually have both on at same time on my build

so is using it with charge spamm allowed

[teal radish]

yea

[light pivot]

dam

now i might not sell an idol if i get it

[tender carbon]

Stop having a mf time barrier on normal loot chests thats the dumbest thing you guys ever implemented

[teal radish]

it...had one before

[tender carbon]

yeah boo hoo 20 mins until i can loot t3/t4 s

now its 3 days

[shell sky]

if u wait 20 minutes between looting t3/4s before you would get like actually 1 emerald

[teal radish]

the chest loot is bad across the board, but the timer isnt the issue there

[shell sky]

^

[tender carbon]

tf are you guys on about why do you now have to wait 3 days to get "good" loot

[sleek valley]

the time barrier is kinda the new version of chests needing time to refill with loot

except now instead of being world-based its player-based

theres a discussion to be had about it being too long but the timer needs to exist in some form

[tender carbon]

going from finding a decent server that nobody looted (max 40 min work) to waiting a whole 3 days to start the next run

[sleek valley]

okay, but, this isn't the experience that everyone had before

[teal radish]

what run? just use new lr system

[tender carbon]

new lr is horrendous im not about to spend like 2:30:00 to get 120 pulls 2 rrs (rarely) to get 48eb and 14 fableds that no one needs

It went from being way to common to comically impossible to get

[sleek valley]

thats also a conversation to be had

[teal radish]

^

[sleek valley]

it's not like the current state of lr is going to be the final version forever and wont ever see any more changes

[tender carbon]

like im aight with the chances of mythic drops being lowerd but why soft remove grey beacons too i dont get it

[scarlet cargo]

yeah, they REALLY need to add like
a tooltip or NPC that explains that

because it's absolutely stupid that it doesn't tell you that

[rare sedge]

Pray for yellow buffs 🙏

And perma 3 choices

[light pivot]

at grandmaster

would be very nice

[rare sedge]

Earlier and move rainbows to grandmaster

[light pivot]

actually yea

rainbow is better than +1 beacon choice

[rare sedge]

Just don't let salted do these changes, as game balance feel is absolutely horrible

[sleek valley]

🤔

[spring sky]

Revert the emerald nerf from chests

[eager locust]

wehn you open chests uve never opened before dont you get 24-60 ems sometimes

anyone else experience this with t1 - t2 chest?

go to area uve never been on -> open t1 -> 24 emeralds

[vocal coral]

it does a lot less damage than normal

[light pivot]

it does?

idk i didnt really notice much damage difference but i might just be blind and it was like 3 am when i tested it

[vocal coral]

unless there's some bug with the latest patch, which I wouldn't rule out

it has always triggered on fly kick but at least before this patch, I can verify it does very little damage (in the hundreds)

[light pivot]

ye the dmg was def not in the hundreds

if it was i would prob notice that

[vocal coral]

I will test it myself shortly then

Wynn is one of those games where you have to re-verify every opaque mechanic after every new patch

[light pivot]

do offhands work in lootruns

ik u cant switch armor but im not sure on the weapon cuz never tried

[vocal coral]

yeah

I use rots with idol (and I also carry guardian for the luls)

[light pivot]

neat

might check if i can work rots offhand into my build

occasionally running out of pots is annoying

[scarlet cargo]

What
like holding secondaries in your offhand to swap quickly?

[light pivot]

no i mean using different weapons

[vocal coral]

secondary weapons

[light pivot]

ppl usually call those offhands right?

[scarlet cargo]

oh
yeah that works
I just call them secondaries

[light pivot]

ye i 100% cant work rots as an offhand into my build

i do not have the skillpoints to do that

[scarlet cargo]

although I have now learned that you can use the offhand key to store things in your off hand

[light pivot]

u can?

[scarlet cargo]

yep

[light pivot]

since when

[scarlet cargo]

I dunno

[light pivot]

like i swear it always just made the thing in the offhand go back into regular inventory right?

[scarlet cargo]

probably a bug

[light pivot]

that is so cursed

[light pivot]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder/#8_02701+0x70Qx0Fx0K20K40OH0QT1S111k0Z0Z1g10009I10069I10000O10009I1004fI1618050505050sjFVnPO6MV
also how shit is my creation

[scarlet cargo]

Behold
Dual Wielding

[scarlet cargo]

I could not tell you tbh

[drifting tapir]

thats cool

[light pivot]

when shields for warriors 2nd daggers for assassins magic books for mages idk for shamans and idk special arrows or something for archers which u hold in offhand

[scarlet cargo]

WHAT

[light pivot]

cuz we clearly dont have enough build customizability already

[scarlet cargo]

YOU CAN /CLASS AND IT STAYS

WHAT THE FUCK

[light pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/xowillow-ok-gif-25585293

oh hey when did it get 5:35 am

[scarlet cargo]

hold on I'm testing Iron man right fucking now

Aww
if you try to remove it on another class it just disappears

[light pivot]

wait it goes through classes?

[scarlet cargo]

yeah

Here's my iron man archer

[light pivot]

least buggy game ever winraft

[scarlet cargo]

And in /class

[light pivot]

and what if u go on another class

[scarlet cargo]

you can swap classes as many times as you like
but you can't interact with it on other classes unfortunately

[light pivot]

so the item doesnt disappear forever?

thats good

[scarlet cargo]

it returns to the class you originally had it on if you touch it on another class

[light pivot]

try with a mythic

[scarlet cargo]

Absolutely not

I like my mythics thank you

[light pivot]

i like my collapse

and maybe my stardew which helps my collapse do more dmg

idk about other mythics i get

now ima do a thing and collapse into my bed and sleep

cuz apparently iti s nearly 6 am now

[scarlet cargo]

Behold

[scarlet cargo]

Good Night

[light pivot]

wouldnt it be good day?

cuz im sleeping in the day

[scarlet cargo]

Good Morning

[light pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/arigato-fail-anime-bye-bow-gif-16464342

[soft thicket]

Ghost item, it doesn’t actually exist

[fathom gale]

Getting good oranges is rarer than a rainbow honestly

[unreal robin]

Ik people are talking about rates and beacons, but I fucking beg. PLZ atleast let us know if LR will ever be multiplayer like forgery in the future. Was in vc with friends and we all agreed the new lr system would be extremely fun if allowed to be done in groups. I think it’s a decent idea to get even more “player interaction” in the end game since traditionally LR was a Solo only activity

[drifting tapir]

yeah I was like huh can't paly them together which is a bit sad, but at the same time they aren't really great for cooperation

also first of all we need to ge thtem to a good spot

[unreal robin]

Ya I doesn’t need to be implemented any time soon just want to know staff vision for the future for this stuff. I’m sure there is a road map hidden some where with this type of stuff on it

[short cave]

I think in the beta people brought that up a lot and they were pretty stern on a solo activity

I'm not speaking to certain

[unreal robin]

Oh totally different but for the new lootchest the restock is it based off world timer or do I have to be online or do I specifically have to be online in the certain area I wanna lr, like if I’m afk in lutho will timer reset in corkus?

[drifting tapir]

ow you mean the old way of lootchests

[short cave]

you don't need to be online for chests to restock

[drifting tapir]

it resets eaven if you aren't online

[unreal robin]

Perfect

[short cave]

they just take awhile

[drifting tapir]

its still 3 days

[short cave]

you can do them fater 18 hours too

[drifting tapir]

idk if its really worth it thou

[unreal robin]

Was the first set of lootchest I open set to the 3 day timer? Like if I go to deltas and open a chest I haven’t opened this update will it be 3 days old?

[drifting tapir]

yes

[unreal robin]

Cause all of the loot I’ve seen so far is really not worth it at all if this is having to wait “3 day” for it

[drifting tapir]

thats another thing

[unreal robin]

Imo the new lootchest are just trash

[drifting tapir]

its currently not great as far as people siad

[unreal robin]

Especially the emerald count

[drifting tapir]

its still only t3 and 4 chests that can have any good loot

but atleast you don't need to worry about them getting snatched away, and the timer is per class

[unreal robin]

Idk I really hope someone makes a post about the new emerald amounts, even when half my chests were sniped I’d still get about 4x the emeralds I use to get now. It went from tier 1 chest having 11 emeralds on the low end to tier 4 chest barley having 22 if your lucky compared to sometimes I’d see like a maximum of 4 EB in some older chest.

[drifting tapir]

people amde psots about it

its literally jsut running lootrunning camps now

if you want to get anything

[unreal robin]

I’d like more data and math about the emerald amounts that’s what I mean

[ocean peak]

multiplayer lootrunning would unironically be super fun

dunno if that's something salted wants to prioritize making though when fruma is still a thing

[queen grotto]

corkus 😭
also they plan to uhhh add in more lrs in the future??? idk

[drifting tapir]

yeah they plan more, but I hope they make corkus better before that

[queen grotto]

likely not but i will definitely do a little trolling by killing rekindled unsurmountable every time we get lantern keepers abode

corkus is already pretty good (corkus runner here)
an exception is the damned pirate lattice
and junk pit with its disgusting mobs
maybe quarry too (laser is kinda undodgeable) (trust me i tried)

[soft thicket]

Sky and CotL are the next 2 probably

But ong we need the lvl 1 lootrun at ragni fr

[fathom gale]

i cant wait for sky

i want to get out of SE asap

[drifting tapir]

I jsut want cokus to be buffed

also sky sounds horrible and great at the same time

[fathom gale]

wdym buff corkus?

[drifting tapir]

make the caves less obnoxius

[fathom gale]

ah that yeah

[drifting tapir]

also probaly force becon spawns close

[fathom gale]

i aint opening 3 different chests spread out in 3 sides of a cave with 3 different kill requirements

[drifting tapir]

cokus has like 3 really bad caves 1 really good cave and the rest is in the middle

while SE has only good caves but maybe 1

[timber dock]

90% of the content in SE is cheesable for ranged classes

[fathom gale]

funy long ranged rock my beloved

[vital raft]

80% is cheesable on any class

[drifting tapir]

espaaclie that 1 cave with the pacour is super hard if you get movespeed in corkus

[fathom gale]

ok fuck mythic rates, can we talk about lootrun tomes

ive identified like 50 morbilion tomes and have yet to get air damage 😠

[sweet patrol]

They are not in rotation atm…

[fathom gale]

WHAT

different elements are in different rotations ??

[sweet patrol]

From what ive seen in SE, ye

[fathom gale]

.. atleast that means im not insanely unlucky so yay

[short cave]

yeah

I've been waiting for the air one too 😦

[little olive]

Gotts get that 5% effective spell damage

Would also be cool if lootrun tomes boosted lootruns in some way

[drifting tapir]

it gives lootbonus

thats literally helping you in the runs

[light pivot]

true i really need that bit more potions it gives me

[little olive]

Not really

[fiery scarab]

There is also a rainbow one

[drifting tapir]

well I got 2 mythics outside the lootrun tecnicly

so I still guess it helped me indirectly

every chest you open sitll can contain a mythic so

[little olive]

Isvthat jus rainbow damage and def?

[fiery scarab]

no its lb + rainbow dmg
but not defense iirc

[eager locust]

if you did .wl and chose the most recently ran world you would get more items / emeralds out of chests

for t1 to t2
t3 t4 seems fine

you could snipe yourself and re run your own world and probably get more items out of t1 and t2

you could-

[fathom gale]

yeah raw emeralds got hit by a truck or smth

even a chest full with rare/legendary + mythic box still has like 5-10 emeralds

[little olive]

Id rather get items than e

[rancid sentinel]

fix sandswept tomb please

[wary portal]

please make yellow beacons work on caves. Its really unintuitive rn that half the time, if you take a yellow beacon, it will just do nothing

[drifting tapir]

its a bug, it will be fixed

[wary portal]

confirmed by ct?

[drifting tapir]

y

[short cave]

even though its broke rn if you get yellow on a cave it will work on your next chest outside of a cave

[fiery scarab]

thats good to know

[gentle sable]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/wc-bug-report/

[silk echo]

wait Hold UP

your a discord mod here ??

i did not know that

[rancid sentinel]

be no know how work forum

dungeon broke you fix now pls

[gentle sable]

no

u report

[fathom gale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905967168120819722/1107470047225589880/Conflict.gif

[gentle sable]

u report now

[light pivot]

is frogery still broken

[robust shore]

Always have been

[silk echo]

🙀

[rancid sentinel]

yes SST doesnt take the token

first room undoable forever now rip

[light pivot]

dam

[gentle sable]

u report or else

[rancid sentinel]

your the content man u report

[gentle sable]

no u report ur player

[rancid sentinel]

ur content man its ur job to fix go pls fix

[gentle sable]

no

[rare sedge]

Ok, then at least try to lock salted in a closet

[teal radish]

content man plz fix every bug in the next 4 hours or you get cancelled

[gentle sable]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[tribal arrow]

🗿

[queen grotto]

tfw lattice junk and quarry

[rancid sentinel]

they all dead

[timber thicket]

So possibly new hotfix soon?

[lone leaf]

shrug

[rare sedge]

I don't like how you need insane luck to get good run now

[fathom gale]

what do you want to need for a mythic then

(did you alredy forget pre 2.0.3 lootruning?)

[rare sedge]

I got more mythics from mob grinds than lootruns

[cedar locust]

hope they come up with a good solution

[obsidian vine]

The whole point of getting a mythic is luck 💀

[rare sedge]

I mean, I'm fine with chance but at least give us more consistency in beacons

I don't want to constantly reset to get a good one

[viscid spoke]

guys

i think ive solved mythics in order to truly show that mythics are endgame we should only have one of each mythic in the game

[fringe mortar]

I think my suggestion to nerf mythic baseline to legendary baseline is better tho

[fathom gale]

so true late borger

[little olive]

Idk if i should be afraid or excited for new hotfix

[glad ermine]

kekw

I just did about 5 runs, out of those 5: only once did I get the option of gray beacon (2 rerolls lol..), and the other 4 times it didn't even appear at all lol

I've given up on lr camps for now, going to wait for an update lol

[fathom gale]

was there another shadow nerf to aqua beacons that wasnt mentioned? cuz me and 2 other guildies are experiencing the same issue where on later challenges like 25-30+ we cant get 2 aqua's back to back without rerolling even if we have all beacons displaying

(if anyone else is experiencing this please do tell)

[glad ermine]

Yea, that was happening to me too.. later in the challenges you can only get 1 aqua, even with 6+ beacon choices

like you get 1 aqua, then you dont get the option, then you get an aqua again

most likely its intentional too rather than a bug, which hey another shadow nerf ;p

[fathom gale]

😔

[timber dock]

Luckily that doesn’t matter for 25-30+

[little olive]

Would really be way too kice to just be transparent and communicate changes
@bitter linden 🤡

[fathom gale]

it slightly does

cuz i personaly like to aqua stack purples towards the end

[glad ermine]

There's no need to be rude, it ain't gonna get you anywhere

[timber dock]

I mean yeah

But if you plan your run well it doesn’t matter since your boons will carry you anyway

[little olive]

When I was nice I didnt get any response either so I dont think they care

[glad ermine]

yeah but you're not achieving anything by calling him a clown lol

[fathom gale]

that applies to 80+ runs not for a 30-50 challenge run

cuz in less than 50 challenges you can easily get unlucky with bad boons and still be weak

[timber dock]

Idk is it worth to go above 72?

[covert veldt]

Or barely any boons

[fathom gale]

only if you got a good amount of rerolls from grey

[timber dock]

Something happens once your past 72 idk what it is but it makes challenges much harder

Well now 10 is max from grey right

[fathom gale]

in theory you can get like 18 i think max

[little olive]

Not if you get rerolls right

[glad ermine]

im rarely even getting orange / rainbow at the start, and when i do, the gray doesn't appear within the first 10 challenges so i never get it.. YIPPIEE

[timber dock]

Huh but you can’t aqua stack can you?

[fathom gale]

but you need an insane amount of luck to get past 10 rerolls so yeah 10 is the reasonable max

[little olive]

Like cibrant aquaxe rr, vaqua, rr, vaqua vgrey

[timber dock]

Ohh you can reroll into aquas?

[glad ermine]

ye

[little olive]

But grey apparently disappears so not really feasible

[glad ermine]

yea

[fathom gale]

yup unless you get absolute perfect beacons more than 10 wont happen

[little olive]

Because you would need like 2x vibrant orange to consiswntly get rhat

[covert veldt]

In fact if you get more then 2 it's super lucky

[timber dock]

I wouldnt waste my time for 2

[glad ermine]

you need to get like a +2 vibrant orange and then a rainbow, then stack aqua rr stack aqua and the hope and pray for a gray. but the chances of that happening is probably as low as getting a mythic now lol

[timber dock]

I think trying to get a godrun is still your best chance for getting mythics

[little olive]

Just think of it like this: your efficiency depends on rrs so ifbyou got bad/bormal luck with rr, its propably better to bet on a new run

Like 10 rrs is just over 2x efficiency of 4

[glad ermine]

yea hol up let me restart 6 times to possibly get a decent at best run, meh

[little olive]

mythic tome

[light pivot]

i really hope the limit on when u can get gray gets raised to 20 or something

[little olive]

You basically just reset after challenge 5 or smth until you get god start

[timber dock]

I mean are you gonna spent 1-2 hourz grinding out a run over doing something on the side and just casually rerolling runs

[little olive]

I really hopenit gets raised to infinity

[glad ermine]

yeah raised to 20-25 would be good enough

[timber dock]

Untill you find a good run then playing the good run out that sounds like a lot better to me imo

[glad ermine]

I made a thread about that already

[light pivot]

def not infinity just 20 would be good enough

[glad ermine]

ye

[little olive]

Also, kinda unrelated but how does dark grey work?

[light pivot]

5 pulls 3 curses

[little olive]

Like, what are its conditions for appearing

[glad ermine]

if you reset at 5 you have to wait till the timer goes down to start a lr again though

[timber dock]

Idk but its also limited to like the first 10 or so i think

[covert veldt]

Stops appearing at challenge 6 I think ?

[timber dock]

Have yet to see it past 10 for sure

[fathom gale]

the first 6 is dark grey

[timber dock]

That makes it kind of useless since you don’t want to curse stack early

[light pivot]

why

[little olive]

Then just reset after 10 mins 💀

[light pivot]

dark grey is just useless ig

[glad ermine]

yea i did that 6 times today and didnt get lucky either of those times, so i gave up lol

wasted an hour on resetting runs

[fathom gale]

its not

[timber dock]

I wouldnt even spent time on non perfect runs lmao

[glad ermine]

I didnt? I reset after 10 mins each time

[little olive]

Thunk of it like this: if you dont get really good runs with high rrs your next run will just be as efficient as your current one

[timber dock]

Just do something else and check your first roll if its not atleast orange/vibrant orange or rainbow just reroll 1 or 2 times and if nothing just FF

[covert veldt]

In any case, can we agree that non-god runs just feel awful to play ?

[little olive]

Yes

[glad ermine]

thats so boring though

[timber dock]

Yeah thats a waste of time lmao

[glad ermine]

why can't they just make it less rng to have a decent run lol

[timber dock]

Runs are decided b4 10ms have past for me so its pointless

[little olive]

Mfw they "had god runs in mind" when designing lrs but just make god runs impossible

[fathom gale]

they are boring but they can still be rewarding

[light pivot]

cuz fun is not allowed

[glad ermine]

o/

[covert veldt]

The fact that they did such a heavy nerf, and not during the beta, was telling that it was more then expected

[little olive]

They could have at least just fixed the bug and see how it affects stuff

Before doing 4 different nerfs too

[glad ermine]

they basically just nerfed it to the ground, like the fact you can spend 2+ hours (like i did yesterday) to only get 2LE is extremely frustrating. Thats not the main issue, its the fact it just wasnt fun either..

i dont even care about mythic chances, i just want less rng for camps which would make it fun for me to do it casually

[little olive]

Tbh just stuff like 3 beacon and boon choices by default would already help a lot

[fathom gale]

mythic chances are perfectly fine

[tribal arrow]

we need godruns back though

[little olive]

What are they even at now though?

[tribal arrow]

a fraction of what the used to be

[fathom gale]

imo they should buff grey beacon so it can appear untill challenge 20-30 and maybe +1 beacon from grandmaster and possibly a slight mythic rate nerf to compensate

[glad ermine]

the mythic chances would be fine IF you could get fun decent runs without restarting 6 times lol

[little olive]

Yeah bro no shit but what kind kf fraction

[fathom gale]

from the data ive got so far mythics are 1 in 1100 pulls

[glad ermine]

its exactly what i recommended in my thread + the addition of making yellow beacons useful

[bright sage]

just make it so u get rerolls every few challenges and remove gray beacon lol

[little olive]

Wadnt it like 1 in 1000 before? That seems like a pretty small merf

[tribal arrow]

i thought it was way more than that

[fathom gale]

well i still have a fairly small sample so there is that

[little olive]

So higher or lower chance than 1 in 1k?

[tribal arrow]

like a higher chance before

[fathom gale]

this is what i got cooked so far

[tribal arrow]

you got two mythics in one chest?

[fathom gale]

i rerolled past sunstar into revenant

[little olive]

Tbf if its really like 1 in 1.1-1.2k or smth that would be fine but i kinda dont believe that because if its only a minor nerf they could have just clearöy communicated it

[tribal arrow]

i think i got rng carried before the patch because i got a warp and a divzer in about ~300-500 pulls

[fathom gale]

i need more people to send me their runs so we can actualy get a big sample and get a better idea of the mythic rates! #1130744061200961536 (shameless plug)

[pallid kestrel]

Divzer

[sleek valley]

id think the reason mythics were so common previously is because most runs youd get like 20+ rerolls

which is a huge multiplier on the # of effective rolls being made

[fathom gale]

debatable cuz look at my run with 2624 effective pulls, i got nothing

[sleek valley]

well

[fathom gale]

i had that run cooked before the nerfs and opened the chest after nerfs

[sleek valley]

thats how rng is

youre not guaranteed anything

[little olive]

Tbf a lot of those rolls propably also just went unused though
Btw do you happen to know mythic rate?

[fathom gale]

yeah i know and thats fine

[sleek valley]

i dont know the exact rate no

[fathom gale]

im just saying that rerolls arent the only thing that got nerfed, the rates themselves for sure went down

[sleek valley]

even if i did know i wouldnt be able to tell you

oh, definitely

[fathom gale]

nah salted is keeping that shit top secret and we'll never know it

[sleek valley]

i just dont think they decreased by a massive amount

[little olive]

Would just be nice if we got confirmation on that

[high osprey]

what is achieved by mythic rates being secret?
for example, in pokemon shiny rates are very known, but that doesnt make it any less special or more predictable when you'll get one

[fathom gale]

we wont get one

the best we can do is get the rough estimate of the mythic rates ourselves

[sleek valley]

mythic rate isnt an exact thing like "oh yeah its 1 in 1356" or whatever

[little olive]

Is it like a weight system so it also depends on other items?

[high osprey]

how is it calculated whether you'll get one then, is the odds randomised each time too...?

[fathom gale]

yeah im sure there is a complex formula for it but if salted actualy gave it then people that are smart with math and what not can actualy figure it out and dumb it down for the rest of us normies

[regal plank]

The way pulls work is that it’s not from a table with different chances for each item—I think they’re still doing the physical chest thing where they have a bunch of chests full of types of items and a chest is chosen at random, from which an item is chosen at random

[sleek valley]

nah

[fathom gale]

why did bro say that so confidently as if you just had a discussion with salted

[sleek valley]

because thats something thats been talked about in the past iirc

in vague terms

[robust shore]

If lootrun end chest loot isn’t a simple weight system with the shown items I would be surprised… and also not surprised

[sleek valley]

it doesnt apply to lootruns though

[tribal arrow]

bring back godruns so i can be god

👍

[little olive]

Id assume its either weight or category then weight

[glad ermine]

It most likely uses an algorithm with item categorization, so based of their rarity, and each would having a weighing and probability with probs additional things like maybe how many beacons you completed but honestly there’s no way of knowing the exact formula without them telling us

so it’s not that simple

[high osprey]

there is no reason why they shouldnt tell us

[fathom gale]

yep thats why the best and most simple thing we can do on our own is just get a rough estimate

[glad ermine]

honestly, i don’t think it matters whether they tell us or not, I just want fun runs that i can casually do lol

either way, you either get a mythic or you don’t, so who cares if it’s 0.0006282, or 0.17

[spring sky]

my guy, i get your point but that is a terrible comparison.

[glad ermine]

there’s not a simple number for it lol, who cares.

[regal plank]

This was how mob drops were done iirc pre gavel—just misremembered how things worked

[high osprey]

having to do 1600 runs or 6 runs is quite a big difference

[glad ermine]

yes obviously, but what i’m saying is there’s a lot of factors, it’s not easy to say oh you get a mythic every 10k pulls lol

[spring sky]

.017 is a litle over 270x of 0.0006282

[high osprey]

and knowing the odds would mean that you could either not do it, as you may deem it a waste of time, or do it more as you may deem it very efficient

[high osprey]

then they should give us the formula and let us figure it out ourselves

[glad ermine]

i mean if you’re only doing it for mythics that kinda sad, it’s about having fun imo, if you’re not having fun but getting a lot of mythics what’s the point. what do you do when you have everything?

[high osprey]

i dont care if its salted or some random guy who i've never seen a message from before in my life, i just want an estimate of how many lootruns i'd need per mythic

[glad ermine]

well that’s what someone here is doing, they’re getting data from others and then when we have enough data we will know the rough estimate

[high osprey]

that may be your viewpoint, but theres lots of people who dont have that view

[glad ermine]

same way that happened with pre update, ppl did a bunch of testing and found out you get a mythic every 2-2.5k chests, but again it varies from person to person. some1 can get a mythic on their first lr, sone might get after 50 lrs

[glad ermine]

so you’re only playing the game / doing camps for mythics? not to have fun? like having fun doesn’t matter lmao

[high osprey]

nah, i personally do mainly for fun with mythics as a nice bonus (although i'd prefer it to be a predictible nice bonus), but i know that a lot of people do it mainly for the mythics

[glad ermine]

so what you’re saying is, if you had the formula right now- the game would be more fun?

[high osprey]

i'd personally find it more fun

[glad ermine]

i don’t see it personally, but fair enough that is your viewpoint. i agree to disagree

[high osprey]

yeah, fair

[rare sedge]

don't be delusional, it's salted

I couldn't get a salvagable run after this patch

[young ore]

It looks fine for the most part from peoples screenshots about the place I think people just think it’s over the top as they’re not getting a mythic a run

[fathom gale]

give me your data, i want your data

[young ore]

meow meow meow meow

[fathom gale]

😼

[young ore]

here u go u are welcome

[glad ermine]

Mark Zuckerberg be like:

[fathom gale]

take the pants off atleast

[glad ermine]

ayo

[young ore]

the rest isnt off....

[sleek valley]

the state of runs wrt beacons =/= mythic drop rates

[glad ermine]

me and a few others found that you can’t get 2 aquas in a row after a certain amount of challenges (not sure about the exact amount), is this a bug or also intentional?

[sleek valley]

i dont know, sorry

[glad ermine]

that’s alr, if you can- could you possibly relay it onto whom this may concern, just to double check it’s intentional rather than a bug ;p

[little olive]

If these factors exist, please tell me what they are 🙃

[ocean peak]

What did you think he was

[glad ermine]

I already explained, it most likely utilizes an algorithm of a weighted randomization system, which means assigning specific probabilities / weighing to each item / item rarity. but that’s all we know, there could be other factors but there’s no way of knowing

for certain

[silk echo]

he is a dev on mm

did not know he was a mod here too

o wait hi nip nop

[little olive]

I was actually able tobget two 10x stacks in a row but i fucked up both runs because i played ona fucking laptop 💀

[rare sedge]

well, gray effectively up to quadruples your mythic chance :/, you have to be kinda very lucky to get what you would need in first 10 challenges,

[little olive]

Isnt it 11x chance?

[sleek valley]

right. but thats not what we're talking about here

[rare sedge]

I'm just saying like, with somewhat average luck etc

[little olive]

I guess if yiur comparing average of all runs that would match

[covert veldt]

Yeah most runs you get 1 or 2 rerolls at best

And then you get rainbow into orange and it just set sails from there

[unreal robin]

Is it possible to get a rainbow back to back?

[little olive]

?

[unreal robin]

Rainbow beacons, is there a chance to get them in a row, even if it’s extremely low

[sleek valley]

no

multiple rainbows doesnt do anything anyway

[teal radish]

besides making you more gay

[unreal robin]

Would aqua into rainbow be possible and if possible does it x2 every effect, maybe I don’t understand how rainbow beacons work

[teal radish]

I think aqua into rainbow keeps the aqua going

rainbow just makes all beacons vibrant for the rest of the run

[unreal robin]

Oh

[teal radish]

so it doesn’t do anything different boosted

[unreal robin]

I thought it was like a “wild card” like it did every effect at once

[covert veldt]

I can confirm that is how it works

I've had it happen multiple times. Also a way to bypass the aqua stacking limit like the rolls 🙂

[teal radish]

yea

[cerulean kite]

Who is collecting everyone’s data? I would like to contribute

[rare sedge]

Also, dark gray seems kinda blank, doesn't feel impactful for a very rare beacon

Ok, it's not very rare, I got it almost every run past few runs

It needs a bit of spice, probably making it give +2 or +3 rerolls but you either should get one curse every challenge or like at least 5 curses upon picking it up

[pseudo path]

is there any items with that?

[teal radish]

yes

[pseudo path]

any sources where i can check

[teal radish]

trade market buy orders

[scarlet cargo]

I think the new Fabled bow comes with weaken enemy
Besides that I don’t really remember

[gritty yarrow]

There are several major caves which are not labaled as caves even though they are simaler length if not longer than several of the labeled ones

I undestand small caves not being added but there ae a few significant ones

[teal radish]

do they have T3/T4 chests

if not pretty sure that's why

[gritty yarrow]

dont think so but they are big enough to deserve it

[teal radish]

I do agree though and think the "cave completion" should require every chest in the cave to be opened

[drifting tapir]

its does, well every locked one

thing is you also need to open all locked chests for lootruns

and there already a few caves or corkus that are super anoying because of the lock chests

[gritty yarrow]

this cave is big enough but the one next to it is to tiny

in fact is has 0 chests

even though its very big for a cave

[rare sedge]

Notg for healing power

[pseudo path]

i found

[gritty yarrow]

I also found one other cave thats very big but not labeled

[rare sedge]

Didn't I say about them already in guild chat

[teal radish]

yeah...that's not every chest
yeah I think lootruns should also require all chests (it does say to open all chests in the cave when you start a spelunk, that's simply not true rn)
corkus caves can be changed accordingly...although I don't get what the big deal is, they're still shorter than some other challenges

also an advantage of spelunks requiring every chest is that the t1/t2 chests would also fill back up, allowing for more LOOT in the LOOTrun

[drifting tapir]

yeah no

some of these areas are such labiriynts

its fine with only locked chests, some chests should not be locked chests tbh

[gritty yarrow]

fair

[drifting tapir]

its already close with the time in silent abyss, corkus I ran out of time very often

[gritty yarrow]

halfmoon island also got completly reworked again and they removed the cave on the island

[teal radish]

yeah isnt half moon island itself a "Cave" now?

[gritty yarrow]

yeah

[teal radish]

kinda silly

[gritty yarrow]

the lagest one kinda

[drifting tapir]

I feel like eather they make the timer way less strict or make corkus caves easier

[teal radish]

then buff the timer. SE spelunks are still so boring

lantern keeper's abode is the only good one imo

[drifting tapir]

thats the worst one

[teal radish]

why cuz it's actually a challenge?

[drifting tapir]

cuz its sometimes bs and sometimes super easy

[teal radish]

haze cave is by far the worst one, literal waiting simulator with weak ass mobs

[drifting tapir]

which ones was haze?

[teal radish]

the one with toxic creeper at the end

[drifting tapir]

ow yeah I mean that one is fine

atleast its not the corkus caves

[gritty yarrow]

isnt corkus speedruns harder than lutho ones rn even though its 13 levels lower

[drifting tapir]

its so much harder

[teal radish]

literally the first room is wait 15 seconds (doesn't even have a visible timer so confusing for first time) then next you wait another 15 seconds for boss to spawn

[gritty yarrow]

yeah then needs to be balanced

[drifting tapir]

its a way bigger area to traverse, its has really bad caves

[teal radish]

the toxic gas mobs do like 10dps

[gritty yarrow]

should I make a thread of images of caves that should be added to the caves completion list.

[drifting tapir]

Pirate Latice alone is a horror cave in corkus

[teal radish]

sure but they first need to make cave completions require all chests

pirate lattice is bad yes

[drifting tapir]

that would make SE eaven better to run

[gritty yarrow]

that might be a pain as some t1 are acctuly a pain in the ass

[drifting tapir]

except we remove eaven more chests from caves

most of the corkus ones have aleady 3 locked ones

[teal radish]

the issue is like you said, corkus caves are confusing

[drifting tapir]

not eaven confusing

[teal radish]

they just need to be made more linear

[drifting tapir]

eaven when you know the layout some are bad

[teal radish]

and buff the timer

[drifting tapir]

junkpit has the worst mobs, pirate latice you fall into the grid and need to get 3 side chests before reaching the end, than there is the one where you need to pacour at the start to drop a spike and thats nearly impossible with to much walkspeed

[teal radish]

warehouse (I think that's what it's called) would need to be revamped a lot since there's two different paths you can take to the end that both have chests on them

[drifting tapir]

wharehause eaven when knowing the fastes path takes long

some caves definitly need a bigger time bonus, also probaly not capping time in lootruns to max 15 minutes is a good idea to

[teal radish]

yeah cave time bonus being customized per cave would be nice

[drifting tapir]

what I can say currently lootrunning isn't fun anymore after the patch, getting a good run together is atronomically unlikly, corkus has problems you only run SE, and knowing people got a ton of mythics before me before the patch dosn't feel great eather

[teal radish]

yeah its now reset if you don't get grey beacon

im fine with aqua changes tho

[drifting tapir]

I am not shure if resetting beacons alowing for longer than 2 aqua chain is intended

[teal radish]

the way its worded in the hotfix sounds like it might be, but could be an oversight I guess

[drifting tapir]

that the horfix was worded badly and lacks detail was a point of a few threads aswell

so yeha no idea

[teal radish]

yeah "Reduced the chances for the grey beacon to appear", more like "Removed grey beacon past 10 challenges"

[drifting tapir]

they did reduce the chance

and make it not apear after 10

[rare sedge]

Yeah, by removing them past 10

Which is awful solution

[drifting tapir]

no the chance in general is lower said by a few people

[rare sedge]

Because chance after each challenge it decreases, and reaches 0 after 10

Obviously it makes it rarer, a bit too impacful

They should just rather to to make them roughly as rare as orange is

[drifting tapir]

orange is another problem entirely

like the time investment for these lotoruns is pretty high already, eaven if you can pause it does mean you can't do something else until you are done

[teal radish]

yeah, I think giving a base 3 beacon options from a lootrun level would make that better

[rare sedge]

Love

[drifting tapir]

where did he say that?

[teal radish]

just a few minutes ago in #🌎wynncraft

[gritty yarrow]

make the herb cave a cave

[teal radish]

no to that

its a grind spot already

[gritty yarrow]

it has a miniboss already

unlike all other grinding spots

[teal radish]

the one in light forest has a miniboss too

[gritty yarrow]

oh nevermind then

still it isnt an offical landmark

[teal radish]

yeah they probably should have put grind spots in the content book

[gritty yarrow]

outside of guild territory

also are grindspots even marked outside wynntils and online map?

[sleek valley]

nope

[gritty yarrow]

oof

[teal radish]

add grind spots to quest book plz

EDIT: LMAO content book my bad…

[sleek valley]

no

[drifting tapir]

add grind spots to the content book

[teal radish]

oh lmao oops

[unreal robin]

What does healing effective mean? Does that mean like health regen stuff or the heal spells on mage and shaman

[teal radish]

heal spells I believe, increases amount healed

[ocean peak]

adding grind/loot spots to content book is such a good idea though

matter of fact make an entire “other” category that also includes boss altars because it’s crazy how they’re basically hidden from the player until that one quest in the 50s

[sleek valley]

altars are in the book

the reason i say no the grind spots is bc theyre a) not completable and b) usually not something we want to incentivize for new players

[gritty yarrow]

then will any grindspots become caves?

[gritty yarrow]

I have found 2 caves one of which I cant find again (in the sea somewhere). The one I have a picture of is next to a "cave" according to the online map but not the content book. The one Im talking about is around the size of mid caves near ToA in the Lucuco region. It has no chests and it feels like it was forgotten about.

[teal radish]

that makes sense. what about loot grind spots though?

[ocean peak]

i did not know this oops

[sleek valley]

i wouldnt be opposed to those necessarily, though point a still stands

[drifting tapir]

the quests are the best part after all

grind spots are awsome for the second time around

[teal radish]

quests my beloved

[gritty yarrow]

can you add a check for world events like the canabalism event in dernal jungle and the pirate sige of the tiny fotress on the edge of the mountainrange next to the sea and directly north of ragni

[lone leaf]

i dont think world events should be in the content book. theyre hardly content

and the world events are also extremely inconsistent across the game so it wouldnt make sense to give them a spot

• i really like exploration without having the game directly feed it to u

[night perch]

432 pull, no mythic , corkus

[bright sage]

how long did that take 💀

and h ow many rrs

[night perch]

108pull 3rr 2hour 60 challenge

here

[bright sage]

😭 😭

[night perch]

💀 corkus in high challenge is way harder then SE

[bright sage]

how long would you guys think 50 challenges takes on average in SE?

[night perch]

depends on build/boons/class

[bright sage]

what would you estimate though, do you think? on average

[night perch]

warrior and mage it will be faster, but I use archer, so I guess around 1hr 30min (or less) if use warrior/mage

archer maybe 1:45?
se maps are always smaller than corkus

[charred widget]

Ws archer is fast as f

[night perch]

hmm but i mean
it takes so long when there are many curses stacked (30+) , otherwise it should be faster

forgot to mention this kekw

[bright sage]

how long do you think 50 challenges would take for you in se?

[charred widget]

I agree with the above around 1.5 hours

And faster if ur cracked

[bright sage]

hmmmm

[fathom gale]

thx you should totaly check #1130744061200961536 (:

[night perch]

oh wait my bad kekw
didn't notice the title

[pallid kestrel]

1.5 hrs 😭💀

[unreal robin]

Can you pause loot runs by /classing

Like if I’m 13/25 and wanna hang out with some friends for an hour can I sit in /class without losing my lootrun

[silver siren]

Yes

[unreal robin]

Does it get fucked up if the world resets?

[teal radish]

no

you can log off as well, not only /class

[unreal robin]

Sick

[cedar locust]

wait what? it respects your progress and efforts?

[fathom gale]

yep its legit the best piece of gameplay released so far imo

[charred widget]

Meanwhile most runs you do are almost completely useless because gray beacon rng is shit. And most of the time you dont get much at all for the time you put into it

[cedar locust]

love and hate games

[bright sage]

agree but there’s lots of room for improvement

so much potential

[fathom gale]

for sure

[unreal robin]

I feel like beacon color weighting is fucked rn, had a run 35 challenges, not 1 single orange beacon, I have an abundant of yellow and purple, I got 4 vibrant aqua and 3 of the times I got yellow and purple after. It feels these low tier beacons are weighted so heavily is very frustrating. I don’t have a direct count but I think I was only offered 4 blues for boons and like over 22 purples for curses. It just feels weighted in a way that feels extremely shitty imo

I honestly wish like after 5 or 10 challenges you get to choose your next color, or get and extra reroll for beacon colors or something. But being forced to choose between purple and yellow for the 9th time in a row in a run felt like ass

Idk it’s like, being able to choose beacon colors would be extremely powerful and I think the 75 challenge runs being able to stack reroll is also op but not getting an orange at all felt awful cause 2 choices between purple and yellow like 8 different times sucks, then to get aqua into only being able to choose yellow or purple again sucks ass

It makes me want to say just remove the colors since very few people actually like them but that’s just salt/cope talking

[bright sage]

i agree ; this is why a popular suggestion atm is to buff yellow, buff orange chances and/or make it so the player starts with 3 beacon choices (maybe as a lr level reward)

its also insane how if u aqua stack enough and are forced to take a blue you can only choose out of 5 boons max 😭 😭

[unreal robin]

Eek

[little olive]

I really love ls boons so very useful and not just worse than hpr

[unreal robin]

Idk I like the idea of purples but it just scales way too much way to hard, it feels literally useless unless it the last challenge you do

[stable pecan]

had a run earlier with rainbow
stacked 2 vibrant aqua beacons onto a blue (because I ran out of options)
I was advertised a choice between 11 boons
I get shown 3

[bright sage]

LOLL aint no way

[unreal robin]

Extreme eeek

[bright sage]

tbh yeah thats kinda true, and its unfortunate because u get soooo many fuckiong purples

[stable pecan]

(also seriously, why are the lifesteal boons so much less powerful than other ones)
(you can get boons for 100 skill points or 150% damage easily, but the game can't be bothered to give more than 400 life steal from a single boon)

[unreal robin]

^

[bright sage]

they need to remove lifesteal boons and make it so you can't get one-time boons within the first like 5-10 challenges (getting one-time boon on your first challenge is so doom)

ive had multiple times whjere i get a onetime boon JUST TO NOT HAVE DONE ENOUGH OF THE THING SO I GET LITERALLY 0 BUFF

[charred widget]

Be careful they might obliterate all sp and dmg boons

[unreal robin]

Fr delete that shit before CT team nuke the fun boons

[bright sage]

why would they rmeove skill point boons tho thats like one of the good things lmao

shout out defense boons

[charred widget]

:/ beware my man

[stable pecan]

they can nerf damage boons once they nerf mob resistance curses
what do you want me to do about Destroy objectives with 50M EHP

[little olive]

500m effective hp

[unreal robin]

Extreme fr, how much dmg do mobs do once you get past 30 challenges, I feel like I get one shot by almost everything even without a single curse

[charred widget]

Im getting 1 tapped by random slimes on the way

[unreal robin]

Fr

[bright sage]

i couldnt agree more tbh but it feels like an unpopular opinion

[stable pecan]

sitting around
100k ehp or so
full health
reality swimmer shows up
I die

[bright sage]

thats why i recommended #1131169740413489182 ,
so once you get the max rerolls (which IMO should be quite early) you can choose whether or not to keep going for lots of pulls or just stop there

i dont want to consistently go to like 50m hp mobs n shit in lootruns, like 2h lootruns are not it

[past falcon]

I have a bug where my uproot spell on my totem just fail to spawn an Effigy, usually after a teleport or cutscene/dialogue

[past falcon]

i do not like that the lootrun on corkus, a lv 85 city, has a lootrun for lv 100

[teal radish]

it gives endgame mythics so its balanced around endgame

[void nova]

Already sent a report about it days ago

But only happens if you start a LR / raid / Dungeon and remains prevalent unless you /lobby back to the specific world you were in raid/dungeon wise if you were in one, or any other lobby world if not

[timber dock]

Huh how?

Do you stack curses or something bcs 30-72 should be a breeze as long as you’ve been stacking vibrant boons

[unreal robin]

Cause I got 4 boon offered to me the entire lr. Way to maybe yellow and purple without a single orange to be seen in 35 camps

I really think in the first 10-15 Orange should be weighted much more heavily because seeing purple and yellow as my only 2 options 8 times in a row sucks

[fleet viper]

Pls add a boon option to increase reroll beacons to appear. I'm gonna be honest on God. I've lootran like 50+ times and I've never got more than 2 reroll beacons. Even before this hot fix.

I've never been nerfed harder in my life before

[scarlet cargo]

They can't appear after 10 challenges
which is bullsh*t, IMO

[tribal arrow]

rn it's just waiting for the ct and admins/owner for the new patch

[lone leaf]

yea ngl i just stopped lring after nerf to wait

[covert veldt]

I'm leveling up classes in the meantime

[light pivot]

same

[silk echo]

Are they going to rebuff stuff/ rework?

[scarlet cargo]

I had the same thing happen except it also ate one of my challenges
I went from 18 straight to 20 challenges
which sucks cuz it meant that I could no longer keep that run going and I had like 8 rerolls stacked

[glad ermine]

Salted said it will appear it later challenges in the next hotfix, so yes

[past falcon]

i mean you could also tweak this, right? adjust level according to where the lootrun happens. bc rn imagine you are lv 85 and hyped for Lootrun but you cannot do it when a cave is available at lv 100

[little olive]

The problem is that people stay at level 85 for a way shorter time than max level

[past falcon]

my thought was that if they get a higher level they also get into higher level territory and can do lootruns there?
just an idea bc it was weired to place an end game feature there

[little olive]

Maybe they could add a lower level variant of the lootrun with worse rewards and weaker mobs while still keeping the high level version

[past falcon]

yea this is what i ment, higher level higher reward but gettiung started oin a medium level so you do not throw player into cold water?

[past falcon]

Voltaic Crag chest not working at the end

[fathom gale]

was there a patch with nerfs/buffs with this rotation? cuz i see that LE rewards changed up

[short cave]

le rewards were always random

[fathom gale]

oh really

[short cave]

yeah

[fathom gale]

i see i see

i guess im being hopefull for the grey beacon buff to come 😔

[short cave]

it is like a random amount of le at some intervals that are choosen

yeah was hoping it would come with the new chest, but atleast we know it's coming

[fathom gale]

looks like we'll go another week without the new mage major id 😔

[unreal robin]

Marq wanna be a chad and post the new loot pools for the lr camps, I’m stuck at work and can’t look

[fathom gale]

SE: epoch, convergence, grimtrap, immolation, guard, archangel

Corkus: boreal, quetza, weathered, immolation

[quiet lark]

shiny epoch no way

[fathom gale]

glad we have no boots

i sure didnt like getting 3 revenants in less than 2 weeks

[quiet lark]

wait

is it only possible to get 2 types of tomes

is that why i was only getting water tomes earlier

[light pivot]

yep

[quiet lark]

why

[light pivot]

last cycle was water and thunder in SE

[fathom gale]

i hope its air this time

[quiet lark]

go outside if you want air

[fathom gale]

you are telling me i cant breath in my room..? shit brb

[short cave]

earth and thunder tomes from se this week

[fathom gale]

wasnt it earth and thunder last week as well 😭

[pallid kestrel]

brooooo

slayer is still not in the chest, price must still be going up

[rare sedge]

This is good, now boots will be slightly more valuable than previously, while other mythics' value will drop
Boots will be less awkward to get

Archangel though... isn't it actually worse to find than boots, because it gets outdamaged by legendaries?

[glad ermine]

ew

[stable pecan]

immolation prices:

[fathom gale]

what prices

[stable pecan]

14 emeralds > 3 emeralds

[rare sedge]

Remember that instead of boots we have archangel now

[quiet lark]

at least archangel is cool

[glad ermine]

^^

[little olive]

some hunted or craftsman guy propably uses it

still no merionette though 😞

[subtle prairie]

Craftsman 🤨

[little olive]

thought craftsman could use mythics?

[scarlet cargo]

Wow
The game really likes immolation this week huh

[short cave]

immolation about to get murdered

[scarlet cargo]

The price is about to go up in flames

[tribal arrow]

quetz 👀

[modern pier]

Really? You really thought this?

[scarlet cargo]

Sadly in the Corkus loot pool only
so get ready for a bad time

[tribal arrow]

sadly i won't lr until the next patch rolls out

[scarlet cargo]

Also fair

Speaking of which when's the next patch coming?

[tribal arrow]

whenever it's getting released

[little olive]

people actually lr corkus?

[alpine forum]

why is archangel in the SE lootrun

[tribal arrow]

if there's a lootrun people will lr

[alpine forum]

just make a lower level loot run to put the junk like archangel in, it makes perfect sense that way. Canyon of the lost loot run could host all of the level 70/80 mythics

[tribal arrow]

ok then join the ct and add it

[teal radish]

nah Gylia plains lootrun

[modern pier]

Its in both loot pools

[tribal arrow]

it's that simple right

[teal radish]

CotL should still be a cool endgame lootrun

[alpine forum]

or a ROL loot run, the sliver bull company can already break the lore to enter the SE so why not have one there too

[tribal arrow]

they didn't enter se

you did that yourself

[teal radish]

^

rank expert in HQ says that

player is probably hallucinating the SE silver bull guy

[unreal robin]

I’ve always wonder canonically how trade market is in SE

[alpine forum]

theres also the blacksmith whos not a lutho npc

[tribal arrow]

why wouldn't there be a trade market in lutho

it used to be a town?

[teal radish]

every blacksmith is a villager

[little olive]

we just kidnapped them and are forcing them to stay there

[tribal arrow]

it used to just be a normal town i thought

[alpine forum]

because everybody in lutho went all and its not a normal town anymore

[unreal robin]

Cause I imagine things like blacksmith and potion merchants can do stuff by themself in town but trade market takes like “travel” to talk to each other.

[little olive]

the miners built the town so idk how villagers would be there

[woeful grail]

Only and exclusively craftets
(+ Starter weapon, a few helmets required for quest progression, the weapon for elemental excercise and sodera boots / abysso galoshes)

[teal radish]

maybe the non-lutho citizen NPCs are beings of light created by the monolith

[tribal arrow]

ok then if they were all 'd then what

[alpine forum]

craftsman can wear abysso galoshes?

[little olive]

also the person in ponr says theyre the last person that is still normal (before theyre not)

[woeful grail]

Think so yea

[modern pier]

Yes bc its a quest item

[tribal arrow]

man this is really a 2.0.3 constructive feedback megathread

[alpine forum]

Abysso galoshes is very good thats pretty interesting. shame you cannot play craftsman without losing your mind

having to prof to do EVERYTHING expect wear like 3 items is just not fun

idk why I went on this tangent, but ya archangel in SE lootrun is dumb because its an unviable item that makes no sense to be there; I cannot wait to see the level 65 pure put in there next!

[short cave]

it’s at both and i’m sure some people run corkus

[pallid kestrel]

nobody run corkus due to it is shit to run

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/361194799744679947/1131522021419921458/wynncraft.gif

[scarlet cargo]

Ah yes
the instant death totem

[trim elbow]

the sped up version is funnier imo
also avos animation totem can be cheesed

[half pike]

chest loot also still sucks fyi people

[quiet lark]

Ok

[ocean peak]

that's crazy

[light pivot]

dam

[rare sedge]

Lootrun jumpscare

[half pike]

ive been hearing mythic rates are anywhere from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 8000 so it would be nice to know what they are

(reward chest)

[lone leaf]

funny post

[viscid spoke]

what happens if i spray you with pesticide

[silver siren]

Less pests on them since they are a flower ig

[viscid spoke]

@silver siren boysmell

[silver siren]

sniff sniff is that SNIFFS BOYSMELL 😍😍

[viscid spoke]

😍

[lone leaf]

idk

[rare sedge]

Marqn did a post to figure it out, you can contribute if you want

[scarlet cargo]

Well I just got a run with 2292 total pulls and didn't see a single mythic so uh
I'm willing to bet it's at least 1/2000 now
also, man it's demoralizing to spend like 2 hours setting up a god run and another 3 actually running it only to get 3 total LE from the rewards

[rare sedge]

Also, hotfix will be in a couple of hours that buffs back grays

They can appear after challenge 9

Dark grays same thing

[light pivot]

ok but when do they stop appearing again

cuz i assume there is still gonna be a limit

[glad ermine]

yea, for some reason i still think there will be a limit lol

can’t complain tho, at-least it will be better now

[sleek valley]

after you pick it up

[gritty yarrow]

is there a mythic tome which would be elemental? or do we not know yet

[pseudo path]

got it only once for 93 lr's

[glad ermine]

pog

[light pivot]

dam so ur just limited to 1 per run

[sleek valley]

yes ?

this was always the case

[glad ermine]

that makes sense why it’s only 1 per run lol

[light pivot]

i expected it to still end after some challenge number

[gritty yarrow]

oh so elemtnal does exist

Is it the rarest I assume

[pseudo path]

💀

[trim elbow]

no I think it just was only in pool for a day or so

[rare sedge]

Doom

[fathom gale]

Wait so I can go on a long ass run and aqua stack grey and dark grey whenever I want now?

[scarlet cargo]

So uh
one of the new Corkus challenges is on the edge of the playable area

and if you stay outside the playable area it insta fails the entire lootrun

and it's a defend objective
and the defend objective is out of the area

[robust shore]

[lone leaf]

fwded

[fathom gale]

when will they make it so i cant reroll yellow / blue into blue / yellow into yellow / blue again

i love wasting all my rerolls to get the exact same beacons

[lone leaf]

concept: completing a challenge gives you new beacons and can still result in a good run (after light grey re buff) instead of just insta resetting every 10mins

[lone leaf]

ppprobably never though tbh

[fathom gale]

well its never gona be a good run if you dont get oranges in the first place

[hard heron]

what if it's his weighted away from duplicates instead of being guaranteed no duplicate

[lone leaf]

yea what sucks is oranges get less common the more challenges u do

[fathom gale]

so if i get aqua aqua ofc il want to reroll into orange if possible

[lone leaf]

i htink there are alot of other things that should happen first ngl

yea fair

[hard heron]

yeah true

but well imo the beacon rng should be changed to pseudorandom

[robust shore]

Lootrun rank perk where you start with +1 beacon choice when

[light pivot]

pls yes

[hard heron]

i literally got a 35 challenge run where all i ever got was aqua into red/green or aqua into yellow/green

[light pivot]

grandmaster is so empty and that would be nice to have

[hard heron]

imagine doing 35 challenges and only having 15 rolls and no rerolls

[light pivot]

how

[hard heron]

bad rng

[light pivot]

with 35 challenges the minimum pulls is 35

thats how the math maths

[hard heron]

is it?

[light pivot]

ye

[hard heron]

i legit didn't get 35 :/

[light pivot]

1 challenge complete = 1 pull

[hard heron]

even green?

[light pivot]

pretty sure so ye

[robust shore]

Green beacon if it was good challenge

[light pivot]

did u like die before finishing all 35?

i mean challenges completed

[hard heron]

no i dont think so

[light pivot]

im 100% sure they count for pulls

[hard heron]

i'll have to test a bunch to see if i can replicate ig

[short cave]

is anyone noticing that aqua is almost forced now? I just did my first 3 rerolls and I got exclusively aqua + something else and Im getting this consistently

this isn't documented, but it's insane how much I'm offered aqua now

[bronze prism]

confirmed bug on our end, aqua was increased in weight for testing purposes and it didn't get set back properly for the patch

[short cave]

cool just making sure I wasn't going crazy haha

[unreal robin]

omg please stop nerfing the fun beacons

[drifting tapir]

they buffed it for now

unintended, thats good

enjoy it while it lasts

[unreal robin]

fr tonight was the first time in 3 days i "got a good run"

[drifting tapir]

I mean now its easier with grey not disapearing

the only thing I really want now is starting with 3 beacon options as a grandmaster reward

[unreal robin]

honestly that would really really help QOL

[fathom gale]

i want to be able to loot my aqua stacked yellow beacon if its on the last challenge 😠

as if its not bad enough that i got unlucky to aqua stack into green and yellow, i cant even loot the yellow cuz the lootrun just ends

[unreal robin]

Marq ur act a meme

[drifting tapir]

the whole yellow ones are still super buggy

[fathom gale]

?

[unreal robin]

u just make me laugh

[fathom gale]

im being serious right now

[drifting tapir]

also that the timer can't go above 15 can also be anyoing sometimes

[unreal robin]

facts, the fact you can waste "white time" but having too much is anoying to me