2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[vocal coral]

W

does a chest default to 30 min cd if you've never opened it before on that class, or does it still count down normally to 3 days?

[void nova]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-horse-petathehorseishere-louis-gif-26490879

[cunning verge]

petah... the insurmountable horse is here...

[teal radish]

idk

It should be 3 days I think

[ocean peak]

unfortunately, the "just dont target the horse" strategy doesnt apply to shaman. you cant do it.

[high osprey]

I feel like with the number of complaints the horse has gotten, it may not just be a problem of players not knowing how to deal with it, but, gasp, it could just be a bad mob thats unballanced

Remove the horse

[ocean peak]

i mean it was completely fine before the update and was a funny addition, but with lootruns actually buffing mobs it becomes really stupid

[high osprey]

Or make it killable

[fathom gale]

the horse with 20 walk speed curses just casualy breaks the sound barrier

[ocean peak]

yeah it's ... really crazy with curses

[high osprey]

Breaks the laws of physics by moving faster than the speed of light

[fathom gale]

but fortunately im a mage so i can just kill the keeper without even going inside the cave

[ocean peak]

i wish i could do that on shaman

[vocal coral]

thats what i thought, but when i opened chests on beta they were all ass 😭

[fathom gale]

my condolences to anyone that cant cheese lantern keeper

[ocean peak]

unfortunately for me, aura cant only target the keeper

[fathom gale]

cant you just drop your totems through the hole ?

[ocean peak]

you can, but it's just also gonna hit the horse as well

[fathom gale]

ah yeah i was gona say run in open chest and leave but you cant teleport.. yeah idk im glad im a mage

[teal radish]

yea, there’s definitely a problem with 3 day chest loot

hope it’s a bug

[high osprey]

I swear ct has the only people that dont want the horse dead

[ocean peak]

it's pretty difficult to get to the exit door after killing the keeper and getting the chest without getting at least somewhat hurt by the horse because haul is not that great at getting past the speed of light horse

[fathom gale]

yeah honestly just skip that cave at that point

[ocean peak]

i do think it was fine before this update, but because it can become so strong now it does warrant some changes

[fathom gale]

yeah no before update you just let keeper kill the horse and then kill the keeper
but now by the time you kill the keeper the horse would have respawned twice

atleast with high curses

[main atlas]

idk maybe it's just that shaman sucks

[ocean peak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/936053775087599666/1093283158889353407/yliiUBdU.gif

[void nova]

It should be a horse skin

[gleaming geyser]

you can see them justify it too

shows how much they don’t play their own game

[fathom gale]

except the horse does infact come back to life after a bit 😂

even if the lantern keeper kills it with the fire

[cunning verge]

what are you talking about

[cunning verge]

it has a low respawn rate

[fathom gale]

yeah but when the lantern keeper has 1 morbilion hp and 90% DR he is bound to respawn multiple times

[cunning verge]

and how am I at all fucking justifying it??

[gleaming geyser]

that lantern keeper horse dies

[cunning verge]

????

[gleaming geyser]

from arrow storm

[cunning verge]

how does me sharing a strat at all mean that I think that cave is good as is??

[gleaming geyser]

because i tried the strat and it did not work

[cunning verge]

????

How does the strat I shared that works for me not working for you AT ALL relate to me thinking that the horse shouldn't be changed

[fathom gale]

the strat works usualy but with a ton of curses its a different story

[cunning verge]

How does that AT ALL translate to me justifying that the cave shouldn't be changed

[gleaming geyser]

because i thought i was able to relate

[cunning verge]

what??

what are you even talking about

[light pivot]

tf is going on here

[fathom gale]

is this a language barrier moment or

[gleaming geyser]

okay i guess it’s unfair that i did not give any chances

i just assumed

so my bad

[cunning verge]

Its unfair that you made the accusation at all

[gleaming geyser]

make horse have 1 health as a fix💪

[cerulean kite]

Please nerf the mythic drop chances the mythic I grinders for pre update are worth 2 emerald blocks 💀

[gleaming geyser]

“there is some internal discussion”

[unreal robin]

Imo I have no idea why lootrunning is a “better mythic method” then like forgery, imo “harder content should reward better rewards” I have no idea why lr is accepted to be the “best method to grind $/gear” when it’s some of the least engaging combat wise to get gear. Coming from the perspective of playing a lot of Diablo lately, it feels like some of wynns systems are just so backwards designed I’m not sure how people would think it would keep players engaged

[light pivot]

the new lootruns for really good chances are harder than forgery

[gleaming geyser]

they just really love the idea of eco caves

[light pivot]

and i feel like ur talking about old lootruns

[unreal robin]

I have a really hard time believing that unless you’re forced to wear bad gear still to get loot bonus and loot quality

[light pivot]

the entire thing with new lootruns is u dont need lb/lq like at all

u use combat gear for it

[fathom gale]

or rather you dont want to get lb/lq or else you'll die to death

[unreal robin]

That’s so much ew in my opinion

[cerulean kite]

Forgery is free compared to lr?

U could run any build possible in forgery and still survive

[gleaming geyser]

i think the whole modifier system that was meant for dungeons was just slapped into lootruns

[fathom gale]

technicaly you can do the same with lootruns if you are smart about it

[gleaming geyser]

that’s my conspiracy theory

[fathom gale]

and lucky ofc

[unreal robin]

Tbh bird I think ur into something

[cerulean kite]

Yes but you would have to get lucky

[fathom gale]

with a bad build you wont be able to brute force fix a bad run

[cerulean kite]

^

Ok can we talk about how warp prices dropped from 25 stx to 3 stx

[unreal robin]

Can you lootrun in morph/the nothing? If so then it’s still trivially easy

[gleaming geyser]

yes because boons carry

they decided to make boons insanely cracked for no reason

[unreal robin]

Then how is lootrunning harder than forgery?

[bright sage]

b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but that's good because mythics are now accessible to the players !!!!!!!! 🤓 ☝️

[bright sage]

no (kinda) but with good boons yes

[cerulean kite]

😦

Now everyone has mythic

[light pivot]

there is a reason the mobs scale an insane amount and by a certain point u need that much dmg to do anything

[bright sage]

mainly because of the buffs the mobs get and the curses n shit idk it's not THAT hard but id still consider it harder than forgery

[gleaming geyser]

yeah but 200 mana regen

come on seriously

[bright sage]

ive gotten onetapped in lootruns before sometimes but ive never really died in forgery

[light pivot]

i mean maybe ye idk if the mana regen ones even need to exist

[cerulean kite]

I got to challenge 35 with no defense or health or agility boons once it was kinda scary

[unreal robin]

Idk I think they should revert something and make every mythic before the update like “original” or “old” or “ancient” or something. Tbh I’m pretty mad my warp hero and disco are all worthless like I didn’t grind for 1.5 years to try to get those items

Like I buy silverbull just to support Wynn I haven’t played in like 2 months but honestly I 100% would never buy anything from Wynn again if they just fucked over like over 80% of the effort I put in playing the game

It just feels like shit

[torn cargo]

Honestly just nerf lootrun mythic rates by a ton

Then you buff forgery

[light pivot]

yes

[unreal robin]

Imo fr

[cerulean kite]

I agree

[gleaming geyser]

legacy mythics ong

[light pivot]

and make forgery less easy

[unreal robin]

On god someone pin this

[cerulean kite]

I should not be able to pull 2 warps 1 sunstar and a divzer in under 1000 pulls

[fathom gale]

no need #1129910819237400616 went baloony over that

[cerulean kite]

Ah time to join that thread

[fathom gale]

i usualy get to challenge 80-100 without any boons cuz i also dont pick any curses untill the last 20 challenges

[bright sage]

it is a requirement to read thrrough all the over a thousand msgs

[fathom gale]

wait nvm i had a complete brainfart forget i said that at all

that shi makes no sense and is absolutely not what i do 💀

[spring sky]

Most sane wynncraft player:

[gleaming geyser]

10 minute miniboss fight

[fathom gale]

nah nah dw about it im dumb

[light pivot]

dam i usually get boons by that time

[fathom gale]

by challenge 35 im usualy god with atleast 200k ehp and over 10k effective hpr

i love me my vibrant blue beacons

[bright sage]

WHAT build do u use
u told me once but i frogorto

[light pivot]

ah that makes more sense

[fathom gale]

warp arcanist

[bright sage]

Based asd fuck!

[fathom gale]

that doesnt happen every time cuz rng ofc

[light pivot]

well luck is a big part

[fathom gale]

but if you do over 100 challenges you can brute force godly boons anyway

[light pivot]

like getting oranges and rainbows right off the start

[bright sage]

but when u get ther ight beacons its so much fun

i get more joy getting the right beacons than the joy i get from finding mythics

[fathom gale]

same

[light pivot]

same

[bright sage]

would it be a good idea to like nerf (maybe even heavily idk) but just nerf the buffs mobs get after challenges, but then buff (idk how much) the curses

[light pivot]

the mobs hp gets insane

[fathom gale]

thats why yesterday when i got orange > aqua > rainbow > aqua > orange and failed on orange i was devastated

[light pivot]

my fingers do not enjoy
but i do

[bright sage]

so u kind of have more choice to decide when ur ready for op mobs

[light pivot]

sadness

[bright sage]

i often find myself getting lb and lq boons (remove these btw 💀 )

[fathom gale]

no dont remove them wtf

[bright sage]

no shot u actually uise them

[fathom gale]

i got 2 mythics from normal chests so far thanks to them

[kindred marsh]

no. The current implementation makes mythics and powerful weapons more accessible to casuals, why should someone have to grind tirelessly for a chance at getting something good?

[fathom gale]

and having chests full of legendary gear is nice cuz i can scrap it with pets

[bright sage]

okay if u dont remove them atleast remove the ls shit no cap

[light pivot]

omg so p2w

im gonna explode

[fathom gale]

cuz thats how mmo games work, you grind for rare stuff

[light pivot]

and there is such a thing as too accessible

[bright sage]

i dont get it wdym

[light pivot]

which is what is happening rn

[fathom gale]

like we should not be rolling from half the mythics in the pool in favor of 20 raw LE

[light pivot]

so true

[bright sage]

my suggestion isnt really pro-grind or against grinding

[fathom gale]

me when i roll sunstar: 💤
me when i roll 20 LE 🙀

[light pivot]

future lootrun meta be like go for LE instead of 90% of mythics

[bright sage]

real shit

[glad ermine]

i got 22 rr earlier, got 2 sunstars didn’t even bother taking them lol

and a gma but didn’t take that either cus i’m hoping for a shiny lol

[fathom gale]

ngl soon enough long runs wont be worth it cuz they give less LE as well

if mythic value keeps droping everyone gona spam short runs for raw LE

[glad ermine]

it will balance out eventually + it will still be worth it for the really good mythics such as idol etc and shiny

[fathom gale]

which is sad cuz i enjoy the long runs

[kindred marsh]

But not everyone has the time and ability to do that? Why should good items be gatekept behind a boring and time consuming system?

[fathom gale]

its actualy the most fun thing that has been introduced in wynn by far

[kindred marsh]

I’m talking about pre 2.03

[light pivot]

the chance to gets mythics is just too high

[light pivot]

and we arent saying remove new lootruns

[fathom gale]

ah well noone is asking to revert lootrun system, just nerf droprate

[light pivot]

the lootrun system is great i love being able to fight multiple enemies that dont die in 2 to 3 buisness spells

[glad ermine]

i think the rates are fine as is, maybe slightly lower for weapon mythics, whilst boots are more common, that would probs be good enough

[fathom gale]

warp prices went from 30 stx to 5 stx and still going down, i dont think thats fine

[bright sage]

nah def nerf mythics and all mythics at that

[glad ermine]

it was never 30 stx, pre updaye it was 23 max for unid

[glad ermine]

hell no

[light pivot]

pretty sure that was a joke

[bright sage]

no it was a typo i meant nerf mtyic rates

[glad ermine]

i hope so

[bright sage]

we should nerf all mythicd and intrudce a new rarity called MYSTICAL which can be added in fruma and it will be like bettrer than all the myics and it wil be like 2 stacks for onbe 🔥

[light pivot]

i wonder what kind of stupid will appear in the economic problem thread tomorrow

[bright sage]

theres always one problematic person a day so far

[light pivot]

anyway ima go make noodles eat noodles and then do math stuff and then sleep

if i come back at any point before then and u see me pls tell me to go do my math stuff

[cerulean kite]

Can you send me ur warp arcanist build 😄

[fathom gale]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=4#8_02709-0p00Qj0K2CR-19c9i9i9S9i4N9m91CR-19c9c9i6w9i4N9c910Ji0R10l0I1f-P2W1g00001007lU0z0z0+0+0+0+0sllwpppl1
WynnBuilder build:

Aquamarine
Conduit of Spirit
The Ephemeral
Moontower
Moon Pool Circlet
CR-19c9i9i9S9i4N9m91
CR-19c9c9i6w9i4N9c91
Contrast
Warp [a6a6a6]
(Has Tomes)

i just want to clarify that i do not do what i said in the message, warp isnt that overpowered i just had a massive brainfart

[cerulean kite]

I basically use the same thing but for hero lol

Except no crafted

ACAM goes hard

[fathom gale]

Achualy this is ACTM 🤓

[cerulean kite]

💀

I will try warpy I have a fully tomed mage

[fathom gale]

Make sure to carry a bonder with you

[cerulean kite]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=4#8_0Au0Pf0r50QW0Xr0uP0Wf0OH0QY1G270y1a0l1g000010036C17150E0E0I0H0ql-p+Ept

Nvm I just saw this hot build @fathom gale I might have to use fatal

[fathom gale]

60 ws 🥶 you'd catch me dead before I give up on my 200+ walk speed

[cerulean kite]

Is ws necessary? Idk man that build has more ehp and damage

[little olive]

the wording on this is kinda misleading, it should propably clarify that you wont gain any time for starting the challenges ither

[gleaming geyser]

yeah or whether the white beacon you get after this starts counting time again in between the reds

[bright sage]

what is acam

[vocal stone]

acam deez nuts idiot

[bright sage]

here goes another playa tip

[little olive]

btw i really like the system with waves during lootrun where all mobs spawn at once and the next wave (almost) immediately spawns if you kill all mobs of the previous wave so would it be possible to also implement this in the tna hunter and gatherer room?

[teal radish]

It’s also misleading in that the challenges that give no time are the next 4 challenges (I guess technically how it works is that the 4 challenges are being added right in front of where you currently are rather to at the end of the lootrun, but still, that should be clarified).

[teal radish]

wait does it?

[sleek valley]

bit harder to implement for stuff like raids since they fundamentally use different systems

not that im opposed to something like that- just that its not as easy as using what lootruns do

[fiery scarab]

PLEASE MAKE YELLOW BEACONS WORK ON SPELUNKS!!!!!!! AND ON FINAL CHALLENGES!!!!!!!! PLEASE

[hybrid vale]

HOMY SHIT ITS WILDEST IN THE FLESH

[crystal hare]

80-100 💀💀💀

[hybrid vale]

AND THE FISH

I SHWOED UR ROLEPLAY TO ALL MY FRIENDS

[crystal hare]

roleplay? what

[hybrid vale]

we’re huge fans

[crystal hare]

damb thanks

[queen grotto]

constructive feedback

[hybrid vale]

different fish apparently

[queen grotto]

what the fuck

[crystal hare]

that is absolutely not me

[teal radish]

Is reward chest being voided if you wait too long intended????

[wicked musk]

This update sucks ass

[glad ermine]

@sleek valley I have a few questions. 1.) Is vibrant yellow better than yellow or is it the same? 2.) does lq / lq affect the challenge chests (not the end chest but the ones for completing a challenge)? 3.) does stacking yellows make the loot better or not?

[sleek valley]

i do not have the answers to any of these

[glad ermine]

;/ that’s okay, if anyone knows pls let me know!:3

[teal radish]

@sleek valley what about this

[sleek valley]

its intended but the timer might increase

[teal radish]

ah

what is it now? it seemed really short

[sleek valley]

shrug

[teal radish]

do u know what is the point of having a timer at all? technical limitations?

and a message that theres a limited time to claim it should probably be added

[pallid kestrel]

Wdym rewards chest voided bro

[teal radish]

turns out if you finish a run and don't claim your rewards chest for like 5 minutes, you cant at all

[pallid kestrel]

Bruh

[teal radish]

ikr

salted why is there a timer and why is there no message that there's a timer

[pallid kestrel]

It is probably a ct oversight due to rushed update

[teal radish]

I literally lost 132 times 27 pulls from it

[teal radish]

nope, lexnt said its intended but timer might be increases

[pallid kestrel]

Broooooo wtf

[pallid kestrel]

I meant the timer not being added is likely a oversight

[teal radish]

oh yeah maybe

[pallid kestrel]

Aqua stack gray beacon?

[teal radish]

still, I don't get why there's timer at all

[teal radish]

yup, plus 1 reroll from daily bonus

[pallid kestrel]

Yea seems like poorly designed imo but maybe its to prevent some sort of chest abuse idk

[upper dirge]

questbook sucks

[pallid kestrel]

Bro like my post in constuctive feedback

It is terrible

[upper dirge]

k

[pallid kestrel]

There is literally only 1 likent from a ct but its from madeline so idk if it counts

Still 10:1 ratio

[pallid kestrel]

Also how do u stack so much aquas? I only get like 4 in a row max and thats with 4 beacons

[teal radish]

I had 6 beacons

[pallid kestrel]

Dammmmmm

How u survive all that xd

Even my bscream can’t survive past 30 challenges if i dont stack up boons

[teal radish]

I had a lot of boons

and my build uses infernal impulse so easy heals

[pallid kestrel]

Nice bro

[ebon garnet]

allow me a horse in lootruns pretty please

[teal radish]

for real

[glad ermine]

why would you want to use a horse

[pallid kestrel]

It makes no sense for it to be disabled and the option is nice

[glad ermine]

just use idol and go RRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[ebon garnet]

well starting off, not everyone has the optimal builds and some builds can be pretty slow

[hard heron]

because non-ritualist shamans exist

[ebon garnet]

yea just use the most expensive mythic in the game

[teal radish]

carpal tunnel

[glad ermine]

not for long lmfao

[ebon garnet]

Idol will drop but so will every other mythic, it's probably gonna stay the most expensive

[glad ermine]

yea but will be affordable / most will able to get it with enough time

[ebon garnet]

anyway, I pretty much have the optimal build for each class and I've run like 10-15 lootruns on each class but rn I'm running abso shaman cuz I thought it would be funny and it's lowkey really good except the movement lmao (which is not only abso problem but shaman problem in a lot of cases) and horse would really just be comfortable

and as someone said, there's really no reason at all for Horse to be disabled

[silver siren]

Is there really an “optimal” build for each class?

[ebon garnet]

eh by optimal I meant arguably the fastest movement haha

[silver siren]

Ah

[ocean peak]

apparently horses are considered "cheese" and charge/lacerate/teleport/escape and just generally high walk speed arent

[teal radish]

horses are just as cheese as the moon is

[ocean peak]

that would imply horse is 100% cheese ...

[silver siren]

So super cheesy?????

[ocean peak]

did they not teach u the moon is made out of cheese in pre school ....

wallace and gromit taught me that

[teal radish]

smh shut up moon cheeser

[silver siren]

SHUT UP LIBERAL

[teal radish]

u can literally prove the moon isn't made of cheese by taking a bite out of it

[silver siren]

WRONG

[ocean peak]

i can confirm the moon is made out of cheese by having been on the moon and eating it with crackers

[spring sky]

Why would i take a bite out of rotten cheese?

[teal radish]

cuz its not cheese idiot

[twilit dove]

the craters are just big bites people took out of it

[spring sky]

Have you actually took a bite out of the moon though?

[teal radish]

no but my mom's brother's dad's mom's sister's friend's uncle did

[spring sky]

Deep space may be cold but that doesn't refrigerate shit

[little olive]

How long did that take you?

[teal radish]

2 hours

[ebon garnet]

bruh in no way, shape or form are horses a cheese every other dollar store build is faster than a horse

[little olive]

And to add onto this, reward chest not bein deleted when you get disconnected while claiming it would also be pretty cool, i dont think storing those 36 items + your pulls/rerolls is that exploitable

[teal radish]

Salted actually just wants us to become hospitalized from spamming RRR, then we will have more time to play wynncraft in the hospital and spend more money

[little olive]

You can avoid falling victim to his devious plan by playing archer and spamming lll

[teal radish]

true

[teal radish]

yeah

screw it, im gonna make a post about the reward chest

[ebon garnet]

tbh with Archer for the most past I just hold W, Strati moment

[little olive]

Poor moment (I only have spring so i have to grapple a lot until i get ws boon)

[little olive]

Btw, how much were mythic rates nerfed?

[obsidian vine]

i dont think we knew the original rates in the first place

[ocean peak]

yeah for stuff like that they never really give exact numbers

[bronze prism]

I may have understood this wrong, so again don't quote me on this, but iirc the bit about reordering priority in the lootrun rewards chest, was that lower-tiered items were accidentally set to take precedence over fableds, so they weren't showing up as often as they should have, and the fix was just to that?

[teal radish]

Legendaries were above new exclusive fableds and tomes, that was the only change.

The priority is still wack in my opinion.

Dungeon keys should not be above rare items.
Items in categories are still disorganized (2le above 3le, 2 tol above 4 tol)

[halcyon mural]

Feedback for whoever designed the "Sewer Herps" cave specifically: Greatest of All Time

Thank you for your service

[unreal robin]

Are they gonna address how the base emeralds in lootchest are so bad still, imo tier 3 and 4 chests still feel like garbage

[tender smelt]

i feel like the emerald blocks in the lr chests could be buffed, sometimes you dont even get 1le from a long lr

[alpine forum]

dungeon keys shouldn't be above any items. Why do they keep shoving the keys into content were they don't belong? raids and loot runs are harder then corrupted dungeons, so why do they unlock easier content its backwards design

[sleek valley]

lack of filler rewards for content, is my guess

[alpine forum]

its like only the corrupted keys too, the normal keys are just from the key guardian mobs and thats completely fine theres already a ton of them from just that one source.

the only thing I can think of that justifes it is the devs considering dungeons/raids are considered the same tier because they both require runes? But the acutal difficulty of the content does not reflect that at all. (and doesn't explain LR giving keys)

[quick summit]

That or they want to make Pirate Lattice as unbearable as possible

Probably both, I'll be honest

[teal radish]

I just made a post about it, changed it to say put them at the very bottom of the chest.

but yeah, kinda dumb that keys are in chest to begin with. there dont need to be filler rewards like keys IMO

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1130364579965317160

[unreal robin]

Why did they make loot bonus and loot quality like useless now? I don’t really understand the logic behind that? (Salty 20% of my networth was crafted lr sets)

[little olive]

i was talking more about relative change

also, are mythics in lr camps like from normal chests (so you first roll for whether you get a mythic and then for the specific mythic or do you roll for each individual mythic)

[sleek valley]

i believe its the former

tho the only available mythics are the ones in the weekly pool

[little olive]

would be pretty weird otherwise ngl

[candid prawn]

What about lootrun-exclusive ingredients

[silver siren]

To prevent a bunch of mythics from flooding the market

[bright sage]

yo guys if i leave in the middle of a lr

will i lose time n shit ? or can i take a break in the middle of a lr

[silver siren]

I don’t think so

As in I don’t think you can

[hard heron]

somehow i assumed it would be like forgery streak

as in your can log off and not worry about the time

[bright sage]

i just got 2 aqua beacons in a row and then rr'd into another aqua beacon? except that it didnt actually buff the next beacons i got? lmfao

[light pivot]

u will not loose time

at least i didnt when i was taking a break from it with /class

[short cave]

yeah you can stop midrun on beta i took like a week break mid run

[bright sage]

WWWWWWWW

[night perch]

is there any way to improve the recognition of beacon?
as far as I know, a small number of players cannot accurately identify beacons (or even cant) due to color blindness/color weakness
like adding the name of the beacon near the light circle should greatly help color blindness/weakness players

[thorny glacier]

u can just /class

[fathom gale]

i have a feeling that lootruns are now only good to get a long run and stack LQ LB boons and find mythics in challenge rewards instead of the end chest

its only a feeling tho since i did only one good run

all that and only 6 LE 😔

[night perch]

huh after hotfix 1
if you do not choose the gray beacon, it will gone forever?
i got +8 orange perfect run and didn't choose grey, next wave grey is gone forever 💀
feel like bug but i dont know is it intentional or not

[short cave]

how'd you get 15 rrs?

[fathom gale]

skill

(i started this lootrun last night before the nerfs)

[short cave]

ah

[fathom gale]

i just aqua stacked into vibrant yellow 3 times in a row (no rainbow) how the fuck

[timber thicket]

In the hotfix, it was said that the end rewards will be refreshed, but it was around 10 hours and neither on new or old servers they were refreshed

[fiery scarab]

seems unintentional

I will never understand why devs will nerf stuff like this: nerf grey and aqua beacons because they make mythic obtaining easier, but also nerf mythic rates

just do one or the other...

[fathom gale]

fr i just did 2624 effective pulls and got nothing lmao

best i got was 15 LE pull

[fathom gale]

dont get me wrong mythics being rare is fine but now its impossible to get that many effective pulls in the first place

[fiery scarab]

like now the runs that you can obtain mythics with have been made much rarer. But mythics themselves are rarer as well which means these runs aren't even that good

tbh just nerf mythic rates, I just wanna have fun with lootrunning and that involves being able to get orange/rainbow beacons more reliably, being able to get a lot of challenges and being able to stack aquas

[fathom gale]

yeah exactly

nerf rates but dont remove the fun out of lootruning

wynncraft try not to nerf anything that is remotely fun challenge (impossible)

[fiery scarab]

now it's just like... oh I didn't find an orange... now I have this measly 10 challenge 15 pull run with 2 rerolls... I can expect to get 2 legendaries, some keys and 10eb

just doesn't really feel worth it, at that point I'd rather just do tna

[bright sage]

3 hours holy fiuckkk bro

[fathom gale]

3 hours for 6 LE it was worth it trust!

i wish i had ended it at 80 challenges last night 😭

[lone leaf]

yea we aware of orange rng

[lost talon]

https://youtu.be/MzAV5Bzc_PE

178 pulls no mythics

[lone leaf]

178 no mythics seems perfectly fine

[lost talon]

it probably is

just very unfortunate

[lone leaf]

the switch in mindset from like “woohoo i got mythic !” to “aw fuck no mythic??? u kidding me where mythic” is really terrible

lrs don’t give guaranteed mythics anymore? good lol

[fiery scarab]

true, but lootrunning basically revolves around getting a mythic, and I feel like this mentality has always been there for lootrunners

[autumn lintel]

wynncraft players when they have to play more than 30m to get a mythic

[lone leaf]

sure but finding one isn’t expected

or at least. i really hope the intention isn’t that

[fiery scarab]

we went to "aw no mythics in my lootrun chest" from "aw no mythics from that entire lootrun?"

[lone leaf]

not really

oh nvm i see what u mean

[fathom gale]

tbf before we would go days without mythics and not complain as much

[lone leaf]

yea i mean. it is how it is

[fathom gale]

but im mostly sad that i cant get the funy long runs

[lone leaf]

u still can

[fathom gale]

not as long tho

[fiery scarab]

basically the "yes I found a mythic!" is much more apparent when you find it in a chest that has a small chance to have one

[lone leaf]

just not with 30 rerolls lmfao. aqua reds

[lost talon]

not 136 challenges

[fathom gale]

im proly gona cap at 100 challenges on my current run with 8 rerolls

[lone leaf]

ok here

[subtle prairie]

once unintended aqua stacking gets fixed the run length will significantly go down

[lone leaf]

2 vibrant aqua into grey at the start and then 2 into white for +50

[fiery scarab]

take forgery for example, whenever I open a 8/8 forgery chest (and anyone in my party when they do it as well) and I don't find a mythic I'm like aw shucks no mythic

[lone leaf]

so ur at 60. and then 6 aquas used on reds is +8*6 in addition to red challs

[lost talon]

then balance green and red

[fathom gale]

ok but 4 vibrant aqua into white for what is it 90? is more funy

[lone leaf]

i mean sure lol

idk i still think it caps out at like 140ish which to me is perfectly fine

[fiery scarab]

btw when is forgery actually gonna be a viable alternative to lootrunning in terms of mythic finding?

[lone leaf]

idk i fucking hate forgery. won’t lie

its like. insanely boring

[fiery scarab]

a complete forgery run chest should have a much higher chance at containing a mythic than lr chest imo

[lone leaf]

but i’m not the one balancing it

[fathom gale]

forgery is almost as boring as profing 💀

[fiery scarab]

although forgery does have its uses besides mythics

[fathom gale]

whats unintended ?

[fiery scarab]

Its not

[subtle prairie]

you can currently stack aqua above the "2 maximum"

[fiery scarab]

How

[fathom gale]

there is no 2 maximum tho? its just that u cant get more than 2 in a row

which doesnt say anything about rainbow refreshing that

if we follow the wording on the patch nots then there is nothing unintended

[subtle prairie]

🤐

[fiery scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[unreal robin]

someone please make a post about the horse the moves at light speed in the fire lantern room, i dont undersatnd why hes so fast and strong, normally you have to kill him like 7-10 times before he reaches mache speeds, i think its glitches/needs to be changed, he litterally was faster than i could teleport away

[fathom gale]

curses, also make one yourself smh

with enough ws curses melee mobs can get so fast that they cant even hit you, its quite funny

[lone leaf]

the horse is behaving as intended

[young ore]

🔨 🧱

[unreal robin]

im confused i literally only took 1 curse node, it seems really really over tuned

like thats insane ill never take curse nodes if it makes mobs that insane with 1 single buff

[glad ermine]

yeah this makes it so much more boring, atleast nerf mythic rates and let us have fun runs…

[glad ermine]

fr

[short cave]

thats what I'm saying lol, people want the rarity to stay the same but for them to easily be able to get them.

[glad ermine]

making camps less fun isn’t the way to go about it tho

[fathom gale]

if you are a mage just cheese from above

[unreal robin]

thats what i ended up doing

[short cave]

2+ hour runs aren't fun thats a lie

[fathom gale]

they are when i get a divzer in a challenge reward chest due to 400% lb and 300% LQ

[glad ermine]

3 hour runs to get 6 LE isn’t fun lel

[indigo bloom]

dude screw the economy let mythics be more accessible and cheap. at least lootruns are fun

[fathom gale]

where did i say that lmao

[indigo bloom]

who says i was referring to you?

[fathom gale]

mythics being rare is fine but lootruns getting their main fun nerfed isnt nice

well we are all kinda on the same topic

[indigo bloom]

ngl i havent read the previous messages. i just think mythics should be way more common. and lootruns should be fun ebcause of god runs

[fathom gale]

i didnt notice anyone here asking for mythics to be more accesible, atleast not today

ohh you werent sarcastic?

[indigo bloom]

no

[fathom gale]

[indigo bloom]

💀 ?? Why do you think im sarcastic

[fathom gale]

i was hoping you were

[indigo bloom]

i couldnt care any much less with mythics being more common and cheap. my net is going down like crazy but at least new players wouldnt haev to struggle to get their firstmythic as i did

[fathom gale]

i mean its gona be fun for new players the first time but when they start getting them nonstop its just like "oh hey another mythic"

it was so bad to the point where i was more happy to get a rainbow beacon just cuz funy than getting a mythic for the past 3 days

[neon slate]

bro

the mythic chances went from common to comically impossible

wtf

[fiery scarab]

expected overnerf

[cerulean kite]

That’s a good thing!

[fathom gale]

how many runs have you done yet to know if its impossible

im asking cuz ive only done one

[neon slate]

how many people have gotten a mythic since patch release

[fathom gale]

and i cried a little at my 6 LE for 160 pulls 14 rr's

[neon slate]

yeah see what I mean

[fiery scarab]

why

do we suddenly care about mythic prices?

[neon slate]

2240 items pulled, yet 0 mythics and 6 le @fathom gale

sure mythics shouldnt have been common

but this is comically rare lmfao

[fathom gale]

true that is sad but i also got a similairly good run with 0 mythics pre nerf, thats why im asking if more people are experiencing this or is it just me being unlucky

[cerulean kite]

Yes?

[neon slate]

nah its the same for everyone

like honestly holey moley

[short cave]

people aren't like really do any runs right now, before people got one usually around every 1000 pulls. I had several runs pre nerf with 40 rerolls and decent pulls not get a mythic

[fiery scarab]

how did u get 40 rerolls lol

[short cave]

aqua stack

[fathom gale]

bro stackeda ll aquas itno rerolls

[fiery scarab]

oh right i forgot aquas didnt have a cap

[fathom gale]

engrish

[neon slate]

my guy my guild grinded this shit and like none of em got a mythic in the entire fucking day of grinding what are u saying

[fathom gale]

ive never goten more than 18 rerolls, i like me my white challenges

[neon slate]

also

[short cave]

yeah I was more into always maxing rerolls

[neon slate]

possible strat

rainbow rerolling (if u dont get rainbow on ur first beacon restart run)

[fathom gale]

tbf even if you get a rainbow you can still end the run at 10 challenges (no orange moment)

[short cave]

yeah orange is better than rainbow especially for going long

[fathom gale]

i legit got rainbow first beacon once and ended at 10 pull 1 rr

[neon slate]

guh

[tired bear]

Is there a point of going over like 30 pulls when there are only like 30 slots to get stuff

[short cave]

yep, you get the best pulls then so bad items get filtered out

[fathom gale]

yes yo uget better rewards with more pulls

[tired bear]

Ah ok

[timber thicket]

160 pulls is an overkill

[neon slate]

Brother in dude still no mythics

[timber thicket]

i noticed but im not sure when it's too high you won't get mythic as well, imo 60-80 pulls is the best

[fathom gale]

a guildmate just got a warp and almost half a stack in a 10 challenge 15 pull run

[unreal robin]

I just hope at some point there are open enough to just release the math on it so players don’t take months trying to find the data just for them to change it again

[fathom gale]

they will never do that

[silver siren]

Yea

[short cave]

I mean atleast give it a day before we judge if the rate is too low, most na players haven't touched the new update yet, so theres a lot less perspectives now than there will be in 12 hours from now

[neon slate]

no? thats not how it works

[tropic wing]

Honestly don't even want to waste time trying from what I've heard

[short cave]

ah yes we already can tell from the 12 hours it's been out that this new update is not even worth trying now

surely someone has done that many runs

[tropic wing]

Yes 2 hour runs for 6 le I would love to do that

[short cave]

ah yes one run lets judge it all on that

[fathom gale]

3 hours* but ive also had 2 hour run for 10 LE before nerfs so yeah

[neon slate]

@fathom gale how do u generally go for high amount of pulls and rerolls btw

[tropic wing]

Meh it's not worth doing rn imo. I have seen multiple runs now not just that one that have gotten low le compared to the time and just seems not worth

[fathom gale]

i just have stupid luck and get early orange/vibrant orange aqua stacked beacons and then a rainbow

after that you just aqua stack white and aqua stack grey and prosper

then you either spam boons + red beacons untill the last 20 challenges like me cuz i like easy runs or you can mix purples if you feel brave to get a lot of pulls

[gentle grail]

nooo I cant buy a mythic with the ultimate weapon anymore

[short cave]

I mean do you have any references about these that might help illuminate the problem, and also the meta has shifted so that could explain runs being worse right now

[gentle grail]

😭

[short cave]

we saw a bunch of people pulling 3/4 mythics in one chest before so it was really easy to identify that the rates were too high, but now we haven't seen anything unbelievlivably unlucky yet

[fathom gale]

i still stand by this statement btw, i rly think that might be better now lol

[finite heart]

Going back to the roots of lootrunning apparantly

[timber thicket]

Try to find chest affected by lq and lb challenge

(impossible)

[fathom gale]

challenge reward chests get filled to the brim with items with some LB LQ

[short cave]

wish the game would give me any double orange beacon runs so I could form an opinion about if the mythic rates are too low or not

[fathom gale]

dw im on another god run now

will see how it goes

got a +50 white and +8 grey

[short cave]

there you go

should be able to cook, two of my guildies have gotten mythics today with double digit pulls and single digit mythics so thats what i am seeing

[fathom gale]

yea a guildie got warp and almost halfg a stack in 15 pulls soo maybe its not doomed

[glad ermine]

i think i found a bug on how to get infinite aquas LOL

i just got 6 or so in a row

[fathom gale]

you better report that before you get bonked

[glad ermine]

hell nah im not reporting it lol

[timber thicket]

It's still luck-based, unless devs or ct will share at least little piece of information about how it works it will be cancer finding that

[fathom gale]

yep

[timber thicket]

and from what it seems we won't be given any info abt that 💀

[fathom gale]

but they will never do that cuz idk fuck transparency

[glad ermine]

btw im not sure how the bug happened, if im able to do it again i will record it and report it, but rn i have nothing to show that it happned lol

[short cave]

I mean even if they gave a number none of us would understand what it means

[fathom gale]

some people will and they will dumb it down for the rest of us

[timber thicket]

^ literally wynnbuilder

[fathom gale]

yeah

[short cave]

formulas are easy, deep statistical analysis would need to be done to get concrete answers about loot runs

[glad ermine]

how do i report a bug (although im not certain that it is a bug, maybe it was intentional)?

[short cave]

theres a bug report section on the forums and theres a way to do it on the discord too but I don't know it

[glad ermine]

okay ty but before i do that (to not waste their time) is it defo that you can only get 2 aquas in a row?

[short cave]

theres bugs to get 3 and then 4 right now after you reroll

but atleast to my understand that 3rd and 4th are treated as your 1st and second i.e. you won't get times 4x but instead 2x

[fathom gale]

speaking of aqua's is it normal that now even if you have only 5 beacons left to appear (aqua purple blue yellow green) aqua can still not appear some times (without actualy picking it in the first place)

[short cave]

yeah I noticed that too

[torn cargo]

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t it pull only the 36 best rolls

[soft thicket]

Yes

[torn cargo]

Ok cool, figured I’d check

[spare charm]

does grey stop appearing at a certain point?

i had +8 beacon choice and it did not pop up a single time after challenge 9

[timber thicket]

I suppose it's a bug, that if you skip it one time it'll be gone forever

[short cave]

yeah round 7

[spare charm]

7 what

[short cave]

nah I was wrong earlier it's gon achallenge 7

[timber thicket]

i heard it from someone maybe i'm spreading missinformation

[spare charm]

its definitely popped up before again for me

[short cave]

yeah on the wiki ti says it stops showing up on challenge 15 but it's definitely challenge 7 now

[spare charm]

the fandom or another wiki

cause this is what it says on the wiki

[short cave]

no fucking clue but on some wiki it states 15

[spare charm]

thats actually so shit

[glad ermine]

im confused, gray only appears once during a run?? aint no way

[short cave]

no it doesn't

it just stops appearing before challenge 8, 7th challenge is your last chance

[light pivot]

thats just sad

[glad ermine]

thats dumb

the changes aint it

shoudlve just made other items more common and mythics more rare, would be fine

[spare charm]

nah cause i had everything set up for a mega run, rainbow wiht 10 beacon choices and only 1 aqua used

it wouldve been 18 rerolls even after nerf

[short cave]

nah they def needed to nerf the old runs they were unrully

[spare charm]

what a shame

this is quite literally worthless now then

[glad ermine]

okay but then they shouldve kept the mythic chances the same / very slightly lower (maybe)

[short cave]

what???

[spare charm]

unless you get insanely lucky on the aqua stacks without needing to spend it on orange beacon then you wont have enough time to stack the greys

[short cave]

idk not sure if I agree with that, you can still make long runs with lots of a good number of pulls. Both were an issue not one or the other

[spare charm]

mythic chance needed to be reduced for sure

[short cave]

a lot of these problems could be saved if they buffed the chest in your lootrun to be worth something as well then run length isn't the only thing giving you loot

I still see a good flow of the chest mythics rolling into the tm, they definetly are still obtainable

[fathom gale]

ive goten 3 mythics from challenge rewards and 2 mythics from end loot chest soo idk

[spare charm]

its not like they gutted them to nonexistence tbh, theyre still more common than mob mythics/old lr

[short cave]

which is what we wanted right? why are people complaining you can't have it all

[spare charm]

im not the one complaining lmao

[drifting tapir]

I have no idea how much they are nerfed

also most people won't comapre it to old lootrunns that never did the old lootrunns

[spare charm]

its still doable just a lot more rng is required to set up an optimal run now

[drifting tapir]

they need to be aquirable in the 1 week window the chests is there with a bit below average luck

[short cave]

like all of them?

[drifting tapir]

the one you want exluding the shiny

[spare charm]

if you spend enough time in a week youll get the one you want even with the nerfed rates

and thats not saying you need to spend 10 hours a day

[drifting tapir]

I mean idk yet since idk the rates so

saying the numbers would help

[short cave]

I'm sure in a day or two we will have a good grasp

[drifting tapir]

yeah probaly

[spare charm]

old rates allowed you to get anywhere from 2-5 a day if you had all the beacons and buffs unlocked

which is just straight up ridiculous no matter how you look at it

[drifting tapir]

someone needs to write a flowchart

[short cave]

I mean if they said theres a .1% chance on any reward it's a mythic the average person will think they should get a mythic every 1000 pulls when statistically thats not what you'd expect. Which is probably why we don't get numbers

[drifting tapir]

I still would like to know if its halved now or what

[spare charm]

so far ive gotten 5 to show up in chests in about 14k pulls total from previous rates

[short cave]

and wth does a 25% nerf to something that is .1% mean to a normal player

[drifting tapir]

no normal player does max level runs

so it amtters for the one that go for it

[short cave]

now long runs aren't even that efficent for pulls/hr because you can't get crazy rerolls

[drifting tapir]

so try to get shorter runs with 10 rerolls

but yeah thats why numbers would be nice

[gleaming geyser]

obviously the game wants you to do forgery, the true endgame content

because all know how awesome running forgery over and over is

they want you to run forgery so bad

because they want you to play cgg

[short cave]

if I ever have to play cgg again it's joever

[sleek valley]

being able to get crazy rerolls was a bit fucked imo

[drifting tapir]

the crazy rerolls where crazy, but I also would like to know how much the mythics chance now is

[sleek valley]

i think its a hard thing to give a number for since its not just a thing in the files thats like "oh yea the mythic chance is 1%" or whatever

& also, generally speaking, we dont give out these kinds of exact numbers

[short cave]

when it comes to drop rates in games they almost never ever given out

[drifting tapir]

than add reduced by this amount of %

it it like cut in half now or only 10%

[fathom gale]

epic lr, lets see if i get more than 6 le

ok GMA and 12 LE, il take it

[short cave]

how many rrs left?

[rapid gale]

reroll it

[fathom gale]

5 left but im keeping it knowing how bad the rates are

honestly maybe they arent even that bad idk

we'll for sure need atleast 24 hours to figure it out

[neon slate]

holey moley

[short cave]

atleast and people commited to loot running actually doing it and documenting

It was really easy to see old rates were too high, much harder to see new rates being too low

[drifting tapir]

we also still need a guide to come out so we all are at the same lootrunning strats

[short cave]

I mean someone here can make a guide I've come to the consensus most of the people showing stats for there runs are running the same way

[drifting tapir]

espaclie we need stats of only legendary gear

[short cave]

the gear doesn't matter

[drifting tapir]

the gear matters allot for time

[short cave]

the hardest part of the run is the start and any build can deal with the start

[drifting tapir]

I saw allot of strungles with blue beacon unluck

where you only get the bad buffs

[pallid kestrel]

I personally think the rates is fine, new lootrunning is a enjoyable so getting 1 mythic every 2-3 days isnt necisarily bad

At least its the rarity of a actual mythic now

[fathom gale]

technicaly i got 2 mythics in 3-4 hours of lootruning today

[pallid kestrel]

gg

What fuck happened to libra prices

[drifting tapir]

are they down?

[pallid kestrel]

💀

[drifting tapir]

I mean people get a ton of legendaries now

and they are literally the filler reward of the chests

[pallid kestrel]

Cheapest is 12ls

Cheapest vaward is like 5 les

[drifting tapir]

btw buff corkus mythic rates, maybe than its as much worth it than running lutho

[pallid kestrel]

I don’t see the point in that

[drifting tapir]

did you run corkus?

[sleek valley]

the rates i think should be the same at both camps

[pallid kestrel]

The rates is the same from my experience yea (0 mythics from either)

[sleek valley]

corkus just has fewer mythics in the pool on any given week

[fathom gale]

people get less mythics from corkus cuz nobody likes lootruning it in the first place

caves are aids

[drifting tapir]

yeah its a bad map to lootrun, everything takes so much longer

[vocal coral]

the disparity between ease of running corkus vs SE is 💀 also fewer mythics in end chest

[fathom gale]

so if anything just do something to the caves instead of the rates

[drifting tapir]

its also the travel time between objectives

[pallid kestrel]

I just sold a random unique ring for 20 LEs 😭

[vocal coral]

is it true there's some bug with grey beacon where you can't roll it after 10 challenges or smth? cuz that literally makes a run super rng dependent 😭

[fathom gale]

[fathom gale]

idk all my good runs have grey picked before chall 10

[vocal coral]

how do u get a lot of rrs then 💀 just god tier rng?

[spring sky]

Something like that, did a 40+ challenge run yesterday and only got one grey beacon

[sleek valley]

you dont anymore

[vocal coral]

most of my runs I keep stalling with red until I finally get orange and rainbow

[fathom gale]

exactly

[sleek valley]

you can still get some rerolls but you cant get 20+ anymore super easily

[pallid kestrel]

Bro i used to got 22 rerolls per run

[vocal coral]

well yeah but I want to still get like, 8 rrs

[fathom gale]

all my good runs have 5-6 orange beacon choices + rainbow + a good aqua stacked grey all pre challenge 10

[vocal coral]

with vibrant aquas and grey

[fathom gale]

you can get 8 rr's in fact the max (intended) is 10 rr's

[vocal coral]

yeah but I don't wanna depend on resetting 10 challenge runs until I get god tier orange rainbow rng

[drifting tapir]

thats the meta now

[short cave]

I take non 10 reroll runs

[vocal coral]

I'd rather be able to make my luck by choosing beacons strategically and extending the run 😭

[short cave]

long runs with 4-8 are still good

[lone leaf]

(grey goes away after 10 beacons)

[drifting tapir]

feels more like a bug that gray can't show up past 10

[lone leaf]

it is not a bug 🤭

[short cave]

you 100% it's sure because my guild hasn't seen one past 7 today

[glad ermine]

thats just cringe then

[drifting tapir]

why is that no stated anywere

[fathom gale]

cuz wynncraft and transperancy dont do well together

[glad ermine]

fr

[short cave]

name a transparent game

[fathom gale]

you gota bother the CT's untill someone actualy tells you the stats

[vocal coral]

💀 why? this just forces you to reset bad rng runs instead of being able to pick beacons strategically and "make" a god run

[lone leaf]

i said this much in my feedback yea

[fathom gale]

even gacha games are transparent about their rates and gacha games are the most scummy ones

[lone leaf]

it’s more worth to reset 25 runs than take the first one with no rrs lol

lol

[short cave]

gacha games are like the only games with transperant rates becuase they are legally required too

[drifting tapir]

you pretty much need to find a guide to understand the basic mechanics

[lone leaf]

i would tell you guys the rarity but i do not know if that would be considered leaking so .

[sleek valley]

do not 👍

[lone leaf]

epic

[fathom gale]

that is true but still take league of legends for example or world of warcraft
all patch notes are detailed af and you know everything you need to know

[glad ermine]

just dont give an exact number, just say percentage wise how much its decreased

[lone leaf]

idk anyways i think salted already has all the feedback he needs to improve the system

[short cave]

yeah detailed but no towards drop rates

[vocal coral]

ok so now basically lring is reset 10 challenge runs if you don't get orange and/or rainbow in the first 4 beacons, then pray you can aqua stack into grey before 7 otherwise it's still a reset

[lone leaf]

idk shit comparison w league tbh

[glad ermine]

and HOW does not a single person from CT KNOW how YELLOW beacons work?> i just want to know man

[drifting tapir]

but yeah its fine that grey don't apear after 10, but its not fine that there is no idicator anywhere that that is how it works

[lone leaf]

pretty close to it yep

[fathom gale]

he asked any game

[short cave]

drop rates only serve to make people pissed when they go past them

[lone leaf]

yellow doesn’t work yet idt

[fathom gale]

here are some drop rates with exact numbers

[lone leaf]

still broken in caves

[glad ermine]

they do work, just not in caves

but idk how no one knows if challenge chests are affected by LQ and LB

[lone leaf]

well if u stack yellow buffs it just spawns ingredients so i’d say they need help

[glad ermine]

yes

[lone leaf]

this is fairly obvious if you use large amounts of lb and lq

[fathom gale]

i mean they 100% are affected

[lone leaf]

just saying. especially from boons

[fathom gale]

ive goten 3 mythics due to insane LB and LQ stats from boons

[short cave]

I love ingredients uniques and rares

[lone leaf]

ok im going cya

[glad ermine]

thank you, thats all i wanted to know goddamit

[lone leaf]

similar

[glad ermine]

but its capped, usually you get only get like 20-40lq from each boon, but iguess if u keep taking a bunch that have lq or lb

they are quite rare tho, unless u stack aqua to get more boon options

[drifting tapir]

are aquas still limited per run?

[glad ermine]

yes

[short cave]

yes

[drifting tapir]

how many are ther per run?

[trim elbow]

10 or 12 idr exactly

[glad ermine]

10 but you can only take them 2 times in a row

[trim elbow]

p sure you can get 80 lq/lb from single boons

[drifting tapir]

okay so we have 10 aqua, green and reds

1 rainbow, white, light gray and gray

[glad ermine]

hmm maybe, i usually get ones that are between 20-40

[drifting tapir]

and gray can't apear after 10

[glad ermine]

yea

[trim elbow]

you probably just don't have good boon scaling then

[drifting tapir]

or are all 1 time beacons not apear after 10

[trim elbow]

just gray

[drifting tapir]

than we also have unknow orange

[trim elbow]

2

[fathom gale]

yeah usualy i have well over 200% LQ and LB

[drifting tapir]

so you actually need to boost orange with auqua

[trim elbow]

(you don't)

[drifting tapir]

thought you need it for 5-6 choices

[fathom gale]

rainbow into orange 💪

[trim elbow]

^ rainbow

[drifting tapir]

ow right rainbow

thats insane luck you need to get all of this chained

[fathom gale]

well thats all it is, rng

[drifting tapir]

this is really risk of rains levels now

[fathom gale]

atleast its fun rng unlike old lootrun

[drifting tapir]

eh

I rather want to choose to go on long or short run than let rng decide

[charred widget]

Anyone have a slight idea of the odds to get mythics? Like how many reward pullsv

[drifting tapir]

unknown atm, we are not eaven 24 hours in

[scarlet cargo]

Nah, Risk of Rain has a level of skill in your success; this doesn’t really as long as you aren’t like constantly dying

[charred widget]

Like is there anyone who has gotten a mythic in x amohnt of pulls?

[drifting tapir]

its one of the most item dependent roughlikes

and skill ontop

[scarlet cargo]

Prenerf it was ~1/1000
Now idk

[fathom gale]

164 pulls 15 rerolls no mythic
144 pulls 8 rerolls grandmother

those are my 2 runs for today

[charred widget]

Youve got to be shitting me

[drifting tapir]

that top run is stil la old one thou

[fathom gale]

old one but with the nerfed mythic rate

[scarlet cargo]

Yeah but it also gives you like
60 items over the course of a game
Compared to like 10 beacons

[drifting tapir]

okay anyway it would be nice if gray beacons would't jsut disapear after 10

[scarlet cargo]

So about 1/2500

[fathom gale]

well 2 runs arent enough to get an eestimate

[scarlet cargo]

Holy shit that’s like an 80% nerf

[fathom gale]

il track my runs after the nerfs to see how it looks like

[scarlet cargo]

True and fair
But if that’s the case then that’s baaaad

[fathom gale]

nah thats perfectly fine

1 mythic in 5 hours is still hella good

[drifting tapir]

I mean we have no data now

espaclie with super low droprates getting a average without jsut getting it said is super hard

[scarlet cargo]

Yeah but you were also lucky enough to get two god runs in a row, which is a lot harder to achieve now

[fathom gale]

time to make a funy excel doc to track my runs now

[trim elbow]

god runs are easier now imo

[short cave]

just had a 96 pull 6 reroll and my best reward was le

6 twice

[lone leaf]

that is how it should be ngl

[fathom gale]

how so? there is no reason at all for them to be easier

[lone leaf]

guaranteed mythics are terrible

[short cave]

for sure

[lone leaf]

also god runs are same difficulty tbh

[short cave]

especially for an hour and a halfs work

[fathom gale]

yeah same difficulty to aquire a god run, the only difference is that the godrun is slightly less godly

[lone leaf]

yea- i mean you should get a mythic sometimes but. perhaps not every run lol

[fathom gale]

but getting it should be the exact same chance

[trim elbow]

limited aqua stacking means that 6 beacon choice is enough to guarantee white/gray rolls

[short cave]

I think if the gameplay loop gets improved lootrunning is probably in a solid place

[trim elbow]

before there was a slight chance that you could have 6 beacon choice and not roll the right beacons after stacking a few aquas

[fathom gale]

huh i think ima need you to dumb it down for me

[short cave]

you could always choose red instead of white and be fine

[trim elbow]

but then u lose aquas

[short cave]

?

[fathom gale]

oh are you saying that now after getting 2 aqua stacked you will absolutely have either white or grey since aqua will dissapear ?

[trim elbow]

ya

[fathom gale]

okay gotcha

[short cave]

ah I see

[trim elbow]

used to be that you could end up not rolling aqua midway through stacking which was always a pain

[glad ermine]

not when boots and sunstar in the pool tho, and the fact you can only get a gray within 10 challenges which is a bit depressing

[lone leaf]

you only need 5

[fathom gale]

flashbacks to spending 5 days lootruning 4 hours a day just to get a single dawnbreak
yeah i think its fine as it is

[lone leaf]

all you need is a vibrant orange and orange or aqua into orange and orange before like roll 9

[trim elbow]

hm

[rapid iron]

what's the last time when grey can appear?

[lone leaf]

and then u alternate red green until you get a rainbow and run out of red greens

[fallen mauve]

it's shrimple if you really don't think about it

[short cave]

5 is kinda scary because if you get the white instead of the gray its pretty bad

[trim elbow]

yellow/red/green/purple/blue is 5 already

[lone leaf]

then aqua into white when it appears

[lone leaf]

it’s fine you just take a +30 white then after one aqua

[glad ermine]

mythics shouldn’t be that rare though, especially since in an interview a while ago Salted said in the next update (which is the current one) the average player should get a mythic more easily, and i doubt most average players play 5 hours a day

[lone leaf]

i save a reroll for that, i like +50 white the most

and then after u have 5 beacons and can guarantee rest of aquas on rrs

[charred widget]

They overtuned it in both extremes lol

[lone leaf]

it’s like incredibly consistent god runs at least prenerf

post nerf you’ll just have to stack aqua on red and be fast

[glad ermine]

I think it was too OP before for sure, but they should’ve either made mythics more rare and left it as is, or keep mythic rates and make better runs more difficult. I think the former would’ve worked well.

[lone leaf]

i disagree heavily

relatively consistent 36 rerolls 120 pulls is fucking ridiculous

not just for mythics either

[glad ermine]

but if the mythic chances were low enough it wouldn’t be a problem?

[lone leaf]

the problem is that new players don’t know how to abuse the shit out of the system

[fallen mauve]

tbh aqua stacking limit and mythic odds nerf are fine nerfs
making gray rarer literally chokes runs without an early orange so hard it's not even funny

[lone leaf]

so if you made it rarer new players wouldn’t find mythics if a 3000 pull run is considered normal

[charred widget]

Shouldve done the other way around. Nerfing the system and not nerfing mythic rates

[lone leaf]

just do both fr

[short cave]

linny I'm curious about your thoughts the rewards for godruns are worth skipping runs to get them because of how grey works, do you think that warrants buffing short runs a bit so if you don't get a long run it doesn't feel bad or buffing the chances of getting god runs?

[glad ermine]

I guess you’re right

[lone leaf]

idk i am not concerned about balance really, we’ll get there soonish

as long as the economy isnt in flames it’s fine

[glad ermine]

you should be able to get a gray whenever during the run tbh, and i’d be happy

[fallen mauve]

please undo the gray rarity nerf specifically it is actually just annoying and nothing else 🙏

[lone leaf]

idk how to fix it other than making grey and orange easy to get and at that point every run is a god run

it’ll probably take someone who knows what they’re doing to balance well

[pallid kestrel]

BROOO my friend hoarded like 30 warps now the prices are all slowluy going up

[short cave]

yeah it seems like a really hard problem to solve just with how the system has been set up

[lone leaf]

yeah . idk im not worried really

[drifting tapir]

I still say we need to make something else the new super expensive item

[lone leaf]

yea i bought six lol

[glad ermine]

I regret selling mine for 5.5stx now lmao

[lone leaf]

i cba reading that sorry

[pallid kestrel]

bruh ct knows exactly what changes are gonna happen so obv u hoard

[lone leaf]

it’s disallowed to do that

[short cave]

it was a smart move to buy warps because it was obvious it would get nerfed

[lone leaf]

i bought them hours after nerfs were on live servers and very obvious what was gonna happen 👍

[pallid kestrel]

I predicted they were gonna nerf the rates but not this soon, since this rates is good for player retainment which is good for revenue

questionable business strategy on salted's end

[lone leaf]

if endgame mythic progression takes two weeks instead of months it will not be very good for player retainment

[rapid iron]

if all mythics just got below 1stk worth people would get bored fast

[lone leaf]

also i think you have no clue what you’re talking about i’m ngl

[drifting tapir]

I do think people will drop off ahrder if they can't get the mythic in the week its up i nthe chest

if they really wanted a specific one

[short cave]

luckly it will be cheaper because its in the chest

[pallid kestrel]

I disagree due to 99% of people who has nw <100stx definitely still gets a huge adrenaline from mythics regardless

[lone leaf]

no one used to lr for a specific mythic expecting it

[drifting tapir]

yeah the old way, but not the new way

[lone leaf]

being disappointed when you don’t find a mythic is so shit compared to being excited when you do find one

[finite heart]

Linny, is there a cap on how many beacons can show up at once from oranges or is it just however many beacons can appear at that moment?

[lone leaf]

i don’t think you should have a guarantee of finding a mythic but like. yeah if you lr for a week straight you’ll prolly get at least a few mythics

[fallen mauve]

Afaik any more than 6 beacons at once is limited to 6 beacons at once no matter what

[lone leaf]

however many exist- u can get 20 slots but if u have 3 beacons it shows 3

[drifting tapir]

the problem is also there are some god awfull mythics

[lone leaf]

i’ve had 8 before (and 9 but only 8 options)

[drifting tapir]

maybe brining them more in line would help first of all

[lone leaf]

entirely different topic

also changing mythics to be reactionary to the meta is something i heavily dislike

[drifting tapir]

not really getting some myhtics is still jsut abd

[lone leaf]

this is gonna improve when there’s more runs

[fallen mauve]

i've had 7 beacon slots when white and rainbow where still available and it only showed 6 before nerf

[lone leaf]

shrug

[drifting tapir]

the cokus run is so bad it pretty much dosn't exist atm

[fallen mauve]

very odd

[lone leaf]

didn’t happen to me

[short cave]

hopefully there is something attractive about rodo/sky lr to compensate how much faster se is to navigate around

[scarlet cargo]

I disagree honestly
People should be able to grind for what they actually want to use rather than just praying to RNGeesus

[fathom gale]

i cant wait for sky islands and rodoroc lootruns.. i hate SE and corkus is somehow even worse

[lone leaf]

i mean. idk i can’t change ur mind

the change in mindset i’ve seen feels reeeally shit though

like you shouldn’t assume you’re gonna get three mythics from your lootrun lol

[short cave]

people have had that taste now lol

[lone leaf]

yea ik

[tropic wing]

I like the mindset change of not expecting one each run, but honestly if u do a 2 hour lr and get like 6 le, feels bad

[fathom gale]

yeah if mythics are common then the dopamine rush from finding one just disapears

[scarlet cargo]

Nobody was assuming that, though

[rapid iron]

well.. after the update you can't really even do a 2hour lr (or at least it's not really worth at all to do one that long)

[lone leaf]

i mean.. they kinda were. varies between people ofc but most of my good runs had at least 3 mythics

[short cave]

a lot of people are upset because every other run you could force a mythic you wanted and now you can't

[lone leaf]

even when i found two mythics in chests during a lootrun it just wasn’t exciting anymore

[finite heart]

A bad end reward chest is also a bigger disappointment than a lot of bad loot chests so i think thats bound to happen with this system

[fathom gale]

nah i did this and got a grandmother and 12 LE

[lone leaf]

yea they r gonna need to cope abt it idk

[scarlet cargo]

Yeah this is my problem
It feels really shitty doing a single run for 2-3 hours and getting nothing out of it

[rapid iron]

damn

[scarlet cargo]

Or they’ll just stop playing

[lone leaf]

i mean that’s … kinda just how it is

[short cave]

the first day of warps I brought 3 warps into the world off 11 runs it wasn't fair at all

[drifting tapir]

I still think there is a huge devide between people than optimized runs and oeple that had no idea what they where doing

[tropic wing]

I mean dont get me wrong we shouldnt get a mythic, but getting nothing just sucks

[fathom gale]

you cant make everyone happy

[lone leaf]

i don’t really care if someone stops playing i care about the economy lmfao

ok shit take but like

[drifting tapir]

the economy dosn't exists without pllayers

[lone leaf]

this is fair

coming up w some way to incentivize doing long runs even if a mythic isn’t guaranteed is probably something that should happen at some point but there isn’t really a great solution

[rapid iron]

maybe more/more varied lr tomes?

[lone leaf]

anything that’s more common than a mythic instantly becomes worthless unless it is in super high demand

[lone leaf]

instantly worthless after first long lr

[drifting tapir]

thats the problem of only having 1 rare item

[charred widget]

More chance for eb or le i have had runs 1 hour for 2 le

[lone leaf]

tna should be better for money. + u get shit from chests too ngl

[rapid iron]

well yeah, but make some rarer idk, ig it's something along the lines of.. if they're to rare then it's the same as mythics

[scarlet cargo]

Maybe a form of bad luck protection for mythics, or rare mythic lr tomes, or something

[lone leaf]

i kinda want yellows to be buffed because like

then it’s not Just the end rewards chest that matters and you can get good loot/mythics from the run itself

[scarlet cargo]

Like, even if your god run gives nothing it’ll still help your future chances

[lone leaf]

that being said i have still found three from yellows already so

[glad ermine]

yeah i hope this comes to life

[short cave]

it seems like xp is the reward for long runs but there is no prestigeing or rewards for hitting max rank

[lone leaf]

i think we won’t do a pity system prolly but i wouldn’t know

[tropic wing]

I like this idea, because I take yellow usually a lot and best thing I have gotten from it with no lq and lb is 32 emeralds lmao

[rapid iron]

in terms of xp isn't it better to do short runs?

[drifting tapir]

yeah to get to rainbow, but than you don't need exp

[lone leaf]

radiant yellow with lblq boons gets really good except for the fact that it spawns mostly ingredients lol

[glad ermine]

by radiant you mean vibrant? im confused

[lone leaf]

but i got a warchief and convergence from yellows in one run

[scarlet cargo]

Actually, maybe a score/scoreboard system might help

[lone leaf]

yeah i get em mixed up sorry lol

[tropic wing]

Yea I noticed some of those chest. honestly when that happens to me I wanna quit. Im not a proffer. (that much)

[glad ermine]

all good haha, was making sure

[lone leaf]

anyways i think the good ending for the lr system is to have both yellows and the end rewards matter equally

[rapid iron]

even if you would prof, the ingredients are mostly worthless, you can buy them for <1eb

[short cave]

yellow being better helps bring more non end chest mythics into the market too which is nice

[lone leaf]

so that it doesn’t feel crushing when end rewards are bad + yellow being good fixes a lot of stuff imo

[glad ermine]

that would make it a lot more fun yea, you should suggest that to the devs

[lone leaf]

yea i left some feedback earlier

[glad ermine]

thank you

[lone leaf]

mhm

idk if it’s apparent from main server but like. the ct also very much cares (and so does salted) about having a fun lr system

[glad ermine]

i would hope so XD

[lone leaf]

me too lmfao

[fiery scarab]

hey but @devs have you thought about making yellow beacons not irrelevant half the time yet?

[lone leaf]

bug

[scarlet cargo]

It’s bugged
Cave rewards aren’t improved

[fiery scarab]

sorry for passive aggressive remark but yellow on spelunk does nothing, and I'm pretty sure yellow on last challenge does nothing either

[drifting tapir]

the chests do give the old ways mythics out thou right?

[scarlet cargo]

Yep
It’s bugged

[short cave]

also a problem with yellow is that if you get it as your last challenge you gain nothing as you don't get to loot the last chest it doesn't even spawn

and sometimes non cave chests just don't spawn

[lone leaf]

yea i’ve noticed that 💀

[wraith gazelle]

Where do I go to report a bug for lrc? I ran this just now and when I finished I didn't get to roll the chest at all, it just opened the items available pool for the lootruns

• When I was offered grey I didn't take it, thinking it wouldn't matter
• I'd already done a lootrun so my daily reroll was not available either

[lone leaf]

0rrs still means you get one

uhh. that sucks

[wraith gazelle]

Well I didn't get one, as I'm saying in the msg

[short cave]

glad its not just me getting screwed out of chests, I've really tried to make yellow work I'm running lq and lb with lb and lq consumes and 1/5 of the time you get nothing after a yellow challenge lol

which sucks because the only thing you gain from that is from that very same chest which didn't spawn

[teal radish]

How long did you wait before opening it?

There’s currently an intended feature where you have a timer to open the chest.

[wraith gazelle]

I had to go grocery shopping so probably an hour, is that why?

[teal radish]

yup

[trim elbow]

yeah

[wraith gazelle]

Naw that's stupid

[bright sage]

taken from #1130396197631311882 :
so ive seen people talk about how frustrating it is that, due to the aqua stacking change, they're often forced to take bad beacons. do you guys agree? (that it is frustrating) do you guys think that's a good / bad thing ?

[trim elbow]

rip that sucks

[teal radish]

agreed

[trim elbow]

I disagree

[teal radish]

#1130364579965317160

[trim elbow]

just roll for orange smh

[wraith gazelle]

That absolutely sucks 💀

Wynn moment unfortunately, oh well

[drifting tapir]

would be nice if you could unlock 3 beacon choices as a level up reward

[tropic wing]

Honestly wished grandmaster was harder to unlock with like requirements for it or something.

[bright sage]

would be a nice grandmaster reward no cap

or imo i wouldnt be so against making orange beacons more common

[trim elbow]

unrelatedly I hope they move the beacon point for the gwanari and the lantern keeper abode those two are really annoying to proc with high ws

[short cave]

truth I have to double back on gwanari every time

[fathom gale]

i still remember when i entered the green witch that shoots slime cave and killed her like 50 times before realising i didnt get the spelunk

[drifting tapir]

there are a few caves I activly avoid to when doing a lootrun since they are so much harder

[timber thicket]

ON GOD

[drifting tapir]

would be good is those are more brought in line aswell

[timber thicket]

This cave in a wall

[drifting tapir]

that one and the lantern one for lutho

pirate latice and junk pit and quarry for corkus

[fathom gale]

lantern is so free with mage

[timber thicket]

and archer

[fathom gale]

i just sit at the hole and shoot meteors till the lantern dies

[drifting tapir]

its eather free or super hard

depends on the class, I need to ignore it as shamen