2.0.3 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[eager locust]

when tna came out it was obviously harder than the last raid

required a different pool of items

[bright sage]

its because he poured a bit of his grayness into the update

[glad ermine]

there will be lr camps in fruma most likely.. so you can grind that to get your new up to date “mythics”

[bronze prism]

"required" is an extremely strong word but ok

[fathom gale]

that random the nothing tierstack user that is grinding TNA as we speak:

[bright sage]

yall are arguing about the wrong thing bruh 🤦

[glad ermine]

and we don’t know what new mythics there will be tbh

[eager locust]

yeah its obivously different

[agile jungle]

what are yall even talking about. just nerf mythic rates already

[bright sage]

We neewd 2 be talking about if mythics going down in value so much is a goo thing or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT if geting meta items on the first day is neceesarey or not

[eager locust]

players were able to change their builds by selling their items to replace them

[fathom gale]

noone does that lmao

[agile jungle]

stop ruining the economy .. please ?

[bright sage]

they aacutally said that was intentinoal 💀 💀 💀

[eager locust]

no one does that?

what do you mean, no one sells their items to buy a different item to use?

[fathom gale]

ive never once had to sell my current items to buy new items what are you on about

[bright sage]

#1124403817941844048 message

[agile jungle]

theres no way..

[fathom gale]

at most il sell them to the blacksmith so they dont takeup space

[agile jungle]

💀 💀 💀

[bronze prism]

not nearly as often as you're insisting. there were no new items to get cause the content level hadn't changed past the items the player had, and in the future it will be a gradual shift up anyways so you'll have time to acclimate upwards

[eager locust]

what item did you use for tcc
and what item are you using right now for TNA?

[fathom gale]

nah this guy is almost as bad as crosier 😂

[bronze prism]

it's not like as soon as we start making level 106 mobs you're suddenly gonna require a new build

[fathom gale]

singularity tierstack for TCC and Warp arcanist for TNA (spoiler alert i still have both builds in my bank 🤯 🤯 🤯 )

[eager locust]

wdym by content level hadn't changed past the items player had

[cunning verge]

meow :3

[agile jungle]

who let blud into the ct

[bronze prism]

is your warp still able to kill the guys in the highest level area

[fathom gale]

mindblowing and revolutionary i know

[cunning verge]

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-dissapearing-neco-gif-23295835

[eager locust]

but this guy just said he used singu in tcc and warp arcanist in tna
people make the decision intentionally to use items more fit for the job

we dont go into TNA with singu tstack

[bronze prism]

answer the question.

[cunning verge]

how's that a problem

[eager locust]

thats my answer

singu isnt used in tna, you said warp can kill the guys

[bronze prism]

it isn't one

[fathom gale]

you are ignoring the part where i still have both builds cuz i didnt need to sell my singularity to buy my warp

[eager locust]

i just answered your question.
let me know if i need to repeat

[fathom gale]

maybe he is worse than crosier nevermind

[bronze prism]

it was a yes or no question and you answered with a completely unrelated statement

[eager locust]

you said warp can kill the high level guys but this guy right here, like all other players, dont use singularity anymore in tna (new content)

that is my answer.

[cunning verge]

I used singularity in TNA

[bronze prism]

your answer really doesn't. we're done here

[eager locust]

people use different items is my answer

youre done? why are you done

[fathom gale]

singularity is more than viable for tna, i just prefer warp cuz funy walk speed

[eager locust]

People Use Different ITEMS!!!!!

[young ore]

what is blud saying

[eager locust]

?? HUH ? what ?

[cunning verge]

deranged

[fathom gale]

he is trying to overtake crosier (and is doing a rather good job at it)

[eager locust]

im just saying people use different builds for TCC and new content ( TNA )

[cunning verge]

https://tenor.com/view/court-cat-uncanny-cat-black-and-white-gif-16353232234208002921

[cedar locust]

why does this sound like what a destiny 2 or hypixel skyblock player would experience

[eager locust]

so what do you have to say to that? nothing?

[cunning verge]

yea

[eager locust]

people use different builds for TCC and new content (TNA) ? whats your answer to that? are we done here?

[cedar locust]

who does it concern? why?

[eager locust]

so when new update comes out, you use a different build for different content

[cunning verge]

no

[eager locust]

you dont?

[bright sage]

da mythic owners whose mythics are dropping in value

[fathom gale]

you also seem to have nothing to say about me not having to sell my singu to buy warp which you were so insistent on being the case

[eager locust]

so why is this guy here using a different build

[cunning verge]

I use a different build if it would be better

[bronze prism]

cause like I said at the beginning (can't you just lootrun for raw LE to buy shit, especially since prices are going down)

[eager locust]

like most other players he is using a different build

[cunning verge]

so I wouldn't use a -500 thunder defense build in TNA, so if my normal build had that I'd just swap builds

[fathom gale]

nah this clown is ignoring context and half the answers just to somehow fortify his half baked argument this is smth else 😂

[cunning verge]

it doesn't matter that the content is new

[eager locust]

ok so you will swap builds

[cunning verge]

it's just that one build doesn't serve all purposes equally

[bright sage]

have ct seen this thread
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/2-0-3-lootrunning-opinions.309409/

[high osprey]

i use singu in tna, and tcc, and everything else, and im gonna continue doing that probably until fruma comes out where i'll just cope and get some new stuff at the new higher levels

[eager locust]

i see you have to swap builds, glad we agree on that.

[cunning verge]

I don't have to

[eager locust]

really, you can use the -500 thunder build in TNA?

you dont have to? is that a good decision to maek?

[bronze prism]

most efficient method =/= the only method

[bright sage]

off topic from the arugment but how long do ur runs take on avg do u think

[fathom gale]

lootrun runs ?

[bright sage]

yeah

[fathom gale]

either 20 minutes or 2+ hours

[cedar locust]

this reminds me of the many instances when the updates to Dungeon in Hypixel Skyblock were made and people have to prepare hefty gear beforehand to fight to be the first to sell new meta items as soon as possible to make ridiculous amount of money-money which can be spent on more gears in future updates

[eager locust]

so can you or can you not continue to use the -500 thunder build
like do you need to get new items or naw

[bright sage]

gyatt

[bronze prism]

most efficient method =/= the only method

[eager locust]

you arent answering the question its a yes or no question

[bronze prism]

you're acting like only The Most Meta And Strong Thing will work for any future content

[fathom gale]

i think we should just ignore duke at this point, this isnt even entertaining anymore

[eager locust]

thats not an answer to my question

[fathom gale]

its like talking to a brick wall

[bronze prism]

the answer is yes, you can continue to use it. will it maybe be somewhat tougher than The Most Meta Shit? yes. does that mean you can't do it at all? no.

[eager locust]

are we done here?

[pallid kestrel]

Bruh

[high osprey]

i've had conversations with brick walls before that were more interesting than this

[fathom gale]

real

[bronze prism]

does it mean it's wrong to do it outside of The Most Meta Shit? no. but you're acting like it is.

[pallid kestrel]

At least your arguing with selvut and not madeline 💀

[eager locust]

its so insane you are listing reasons why you need to swap builds and then just to disagree you tell me you dont have to

its like logic acrobatics

[high osprey]

speaking of acrobatics, acrobat is quite a fun archetype, its a shame its not the strongest.. that isnt stopping me from using it

[bronze prism]

people said they may swap builds for efficiency's sake but didn't need to and didn't have to sell their shit to do so

you're conflating "may/can" with "must"

[eager locust]

but you litearlly listed the logical reason why that build wouldnt work, because of thunder def

[fathom gale]

ok il try to reason with your dumbass one last time,
when TCC comes out and you have no mythics what do you do? you use a non mythic build untill you get money for a mythic build
when TNA comes out and you have a decent mythic what do you do? you use that mythic to do TNA even if its hard untill you get money for a better mythic
same goes for whatever new raid might come in fruma

[pallid kestrel]

Im so confused why is there even a argument

[rapid gale]

me too wtf did I just walk back to

[pallid kestrel]

Lol

[rapid gale]

I read the last 20 minutes of chat and I don’t know whether to cry or laugh at this stage

[bronze prism]

I certainly haven't swapped my builds around, I've been using the same dinky-ass harwrol dune storm soarfae sagittarius battleground dancer build for the past while and it's gotten me through all sorts of stuff without needing to swap

[eager locust]

why cant you just sell what you worked for in the past to get the new items, you litearlly put in effor in the past, is this effort worthless?

my next question

if you cant sell and your effort is worthless, why put in the effort

[cedar locust]

why do they own them
either they are hoarding (for the sake of hoarding which is stupid or they have set in-game financial goals) or they are using the items

[bronze prism]

and lookit that, no mythics, that build was cheap as hell, is it as efficient as it could be, no, but it still works and it's what I want to play

it's not a necessity and once again

[high osprey]

i've been using the same horrendous singu build for the past year or something

[pallid kestrel]

I mean we all know the new lrs kinda bad but it’s for revenue which is why wynn exists in the first place, but they seem to be talking about builds or smth

[fathom gale]

if thats your mindset stop playing the game, do you expect to buy a mercedes S class 2018 model and drive it untill a mercedes S class 2024 model is released and somehow sell the 2018 model for enough cash to buy a 2024 model?

[bronze prism]

if you need to buy things, can't you just lootrun for raw LE

[eager locust]

i use different build for different raid and it seems marqn here does the same, i think thats pretty standard as to doing new content

[eager locust]

ok so theres no point playing right now, because ill have to lootrun in the future anyways, is that the logic?

[rapid gale]

oh my god that harwrol build sounds so cursed but not that horrible lmao

yea honestly the build is generally not a big deal but there are some challenges which suck with bad builds such as destroy the tower thing with 4m hp

[eager locust]

you know trade ins exist right
for cars

thats the same idea, you buy a car you sell the car to get a new one, you buy a house you sell the house to get a better one, thats just a normal part of life

[fathom gale]

nah im going back to lootruning these 128 challenges wont finish themselves, adios

[rapid gale]

• you can play the game for more than just money: ever heard of friends and/or guilds
• lootrunning is arguably more profitable now than ever so 💀
• have you considered buying a mythic and using it for a build it’s like the best time ever to do that rn

[eager locust]

unless the government randomly decides to close door policy change and shaft you (some other countries)

[eager locust]

if you wernt aware that trade ins exist, you do now.
next time you get a new car
you can try, instead of "working" to a new one
just trading it in for some money

[rapid gale]

you can …… hold items
generally the actual item will still be useful unless it’s a 1.20 -> 2.0 toxo moment which isn’t very common at all

duke out of interest how old are u

[cedar locust]

It is because people value things differently. I am pretty sure without the changes being made to lootrunning, new mythics would definitely be more expensive than pre-existing mythics. Supply and demand is one of many factors that affect prices. You wouldn't have likely been able to exchange your pre-existing gear for something new entirely.

[eager locust]

asking age over internet? seems weird? above 18

[rapid gale]

nah just wanted to use that as context for ur statements

[eager locust]

a personal questiont to ask regardless

[rapid gale]

agree

[eager locust]

but items being worthless would make this situationy you are talking about even worse

[rapid gale]

some mythics aren’t even that good anymore but before this update still had inflated prices and I think one example is oblivion

[cedar locust]

I seriously don't think that's exactly that case. Although I have seen trade-in programs for smartphone deals, your old phone certainly won't be the only cost.

[cedar locust]

Would it be worthless?

[eager locust]

yeah but you get its actual value

[rapid gale]

For trade in your phone can’t be more than like 2 years old 💀

[eager locust]

the equivilant of this would be apple printing billions of old iphones so you dont even get 2 cents for your trade in

[cedar locust]

have you experienced scenarios where your gears have actually become worthless?

[rapid gale]

but yea duke have you considered playing the game for a bit more than just numbers
u seem a little fixated

[eager locust]

numbers? when have i mentioned any math

[rapid gale]

literally only 1 time and that was 2.0 poison nerf

[rapid gale]

numbers as in emeralds

[eager locust]

market seems to trend down for item prices

[high osprey]

you seem to be pretty obsessed with money, which is measured in numbers

[eager locust]

ive only used 10, 5stx as an example, how am i obsessed with numbers

[rapid gale]

but is the gear still usable? probably
warp prices are declining rapidly and yet warp is more useful than it has been in a while

[eager locust]

why am i obsessed with numbers

anyways

you want your trade ins to be not completely worthless

what example should i use? a house? iphones?

[cedar locust]

Is it the case that you find it more comfortable to not engage or engage less with a certain part of the gameplay loop? (the gameplay loop could consist of Forgery runs, raid runs, warring and lootruns)

[high osprey]

i dont think any of us care about our trade ins, because we dont do them on minecraft server

[rapid gale]

you seem like it’s a huge tragedy if your gear loses value and because of that there’s “no point”
the trade in is almost never completely worthless, once again I literally cannot name a single time a trade in exploded except 2.0 toxo

[eager locust]

what do you mean? that people dont sell their items for le to buy other items?

[carmine stratus]

And toxo was kinda deserved

[eager locust]

you dont do that in wynn? i think thats perfectly reasonable to do

[fathom gale]

i think i alredy answered this to you, no we dont

[high osprey]

i dont do that

[fathom gale]

i use my old gear to grind untill i can afford new gear

[rapid gale]

as much as I love toxo I can’t disagree with u blegar
I really just wish that they would turn toxo into a regular earth spear with a major id and base the new ids off the old ones though, that’d be sick

[high osprey]

also, it isnt like the specific items you have right now are going down in value while items you'll want in the future are staying the same

[eager locust]

if there is something you dont need anymore why not sell it to get money for next build

[cedar locust]

I'd build more wealth and I have only ever bought items because there are cheap and decent items at level.

[eager locust]

i mean look at trade market, the items people have right now are going down in value, examples: alka, nirvana, warp

[rapid gale]

maybe some people want more than one build 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[eager locust]

i said "dont use anymore" for a reason

[carmine stratus]

I mean better to be going down than whatever hypixel skyblocks economy is doing

[high osprey]

everything will go down, so if you sell something you'll be just as able to buy the new thing

[rapid gale]

maybe that item crashes in price

[eager locust]

LMAO yeah its somehow better

[fathom gale]

if i dont need it then noone else needs it either so il just blacksmith it

[cedar locust]

It doesn't necessarily harm anyone.

[high osprey]

at the moment not everything is going down, because not everything's been in circulation in the lootrun chest yet, but it eventually will

[eager locust]

there are ppl who are below your level doing content you were doing before, there are always new players unless the servers dead

[rapid gale]

nirv and warp are literally MORE useful now
stop looking at numbers please 💀

[eager locust]

yeah eventually

[fathom gale]

those new players cant pay me any money thats worth the time and effort to try and sell random legendaries

[eager locust]

where did i mention numebrs i just mean they are going down?
why do you keep bringing up numbers

[high osprey]

have you heard of the word "patience"

[carmine stratus]

Except specific ones like rarity

[high osprey]

and if the items cost less on TM, those newer players will more easily be able to get them anyway

[eager locust]

i meant "eventually, everything is going down in price"

[rapid gale]

“ITEMS GOING DOWN IN VALUE”
in money value yep
in terms of usefulness no 2/3 of them are more useful because of lootrunning

[fathom gale]

yeah but even then its like what 4 le give or take

[carmine stratus]

I think more depending on the roll

[fathom gale]

if it isnt a mythic then its just a hassle

[bright sage]

It takes a lot of time and work to acquire high-value mythics and a lot of LE. Players who have invested time and effort into acquiring LE would feel their efforts are undervalued when the value of Mythics declines. It lessens the sensation of accomplishment and is discouraging for players who want to advance and develop their characters.

In MMORPGS in general, getting strong equipment is frequently the main incentive for people to keep playing and advancing through difficult content. The players are less motivated to pursue such expensive mythics when their value drops. Due to the perception that the game's rewards are less significant, it results in a decline in player interest and motivation.

On top of that, the economy is heavily affected by the drop in the value of mythics. If the money loses value, inflationary pressures could develop and affect the costs of other in-game things as well. This leads to an imbalance in the economy, making it more difficult for new or casual players to participate in the game's economy and obtain necessary goods. It could result in a wealth gap between seasoned players who accumulated valuable assets before the collapse and inexperienced players who find it difficult to catch up.

Player interactions and trading are also frequently heavily influenced by the value of the items. The perceived value of trades and transactions may be impacted when the value of Mythics declines because it may cause players' existing inventories to decline in value. Players who feel their formerly valuable assets are now worth significantly less than before may end up just quitting the game.

Finally, If the game's economy is in poor shape for a long time, it will have consequences on the growth and viability of the game. A fucked up economy results in lower player engagement and retention, which results less game revenue (salted!!!!).

[fathom gale]

even some mythis are a waste of time to sell

[cedar locust]

Why is it that you think your current items will be phased out when new content come out? What compells you to think there is need to desperately chase after the new items in the content?

[fathom gale]

the morph set being perfectly viable for many updates in a row since its release in question (and probably will still be enough for fruma)

[eager locust]

the most important point isnt event that " Players who have invested time and effort into acquiring LE would feel their efforts are undervalued when the value of Mythics declines. " its that it will happen to NEW PLAYERS too

[carmine stratus]

I hope that gets nerfed

[fathom gale]

fr lmao its too op for how cheap and easily obtainable it is

[eager locust]

why can i not trade in my iphone or sell my house for a new one

[rapid gale]

bruh what
this is providing a great opportunity for players with less money to get mythics idk wym

rest of your points are valid

[fathom gale]

you can sell your house for a different house of the same value sure but your iphone loses value as you use it so that cant happen

[eager locust]

the whole point isnt about "people feeling their mythic values decline"
this isnt the most Importnt Point lmao

[pliant matrix]

me when wynncraft economists 🤓 talk about the market and mythic inflation but they don't realize that the wynn economy was already in shambles so any pro or con arguement doesn't matter

[carmine stratus]

The only time I used it was to grind to 106 and I just thought 'how is this fun"

[eager locust]

its about the players who play right now, and what their efforts will mean in the future

[fathom gale]

players that actualy know how to play will be fine, you on the other hand idk

[rapid gale]

hear me out if this update really hurt your income you’re probably a super rich player who deserves to be struck down by kommunism

[carmine stratus]

Agreed comrade!

[eager locust]

where did this insult even come from its just so random that i dont even ? what? lmao?

[bright sage]

Hell yeah i love making things that are bad even worse 🔥

[eager locust]

its not about rich players

[pliant matrix]

after a point it literally doesn't matter how much is your income cuz u can't do anything with it

[eager locust]

its about people who decide to play right now and what will happen to them in the future

[rapid gale]

He’s not saying that you suck at Wynn, he’s saying that you don’t know how to focus on the correct stuff
this game is more than just money UGHHH

[high osprey]

people get demotivated when they see people running around with 2354424 dps builds but cant afford to buy the required mythics to make it for themselves
this is an MMORPG, not an economy simulator, the only difference between rich and poor people is that one set can afford mythics and the other cant, which is being leveled out and being made more accessible with mythics being less expensive

[regal plank]

If you’re good at the game there are many different builds that can get you through all the content in the game

[fathom gale]

its just the truth, from your words alone i feel like you need the most minmaxed build just to survive simple content where as most players can manage with a random set of legendary items

[rapid gale]

and that’s why they need to be struck down by kommunism

[eager locust]

people minmax to minmax? obviously?

dont get your point just gna ignore it

[bright sage]

yall arent even listening to dukes point

[rapid gale]

it’s hard to

[fathom gale]

dukes point doesnt exist he is jsut malding over nothing

[lost talon]

wynncraft is bugless. got twenty two beacon choices https://youtu.be/9_cdV3NCZAQ

[high osprey]

make it coherent and then we will
doesnt mean we'll respect it though

[eager locust]

i dont really care to explain to you guys when someone else in the room understands

[carmine stratus]

Echo chamber

[lost talon]

and win stopped working

[eager locust]

why would i put in effort when its just standard understanding

[fathom gale]

does he really understand tho 😂

[eager locust]

its supposed to be common unndersatding, someone else gets it, why do i need to explain to ppl who dont get it

[fathom gale]

you probably dont even understand yourself at this point

[carmine stratus]

This isnt hypixel skyblock people enjoy the game outside of the economy

[high osprey]

are they going to explain to us?

[rapid gale]

I do not understand what your point is
it’s basically “update sucks because I feel like I lost money waaaa” from what I can see

[eager locust]

what does that even mean, the last 3 thigns youve typed to me are just random dircted insults? why should i take you seriously?

[regal plank]

Yeah people will feel kinda bad when their net worth goes down, but that’s the 1% of players who actually have mythics. This makes it easier for other players to get them

[eager locust]

its not about net WORTH

[bright sage]

This update = good for casual players, bad for endgame players. i think salted could have gone around doing this way better but his ass does NOT care about endgame players 💀

[rapid gale]

idk what your entire point is based on them Duke

[obsidian vine]

the point is if you can buy one of the best mythics in the game for 1 stx unid which is gonna happen in a year, its gonna make getting that mythic feel way less rewarding, and the gatekeeping arguement is completely invalid because why not increase every rare drop in every single game. Mythics were the only endgame goal for most ppl and now they feel like dirt

[eager locust]

its about players who are playing right now and what is going to happen to them in the future

[high osprey]

endgame players are casual players and are ones who use mythics

[carmine stratus]

... weren't plenty of endgame players hating lootrunning?

[eager locust]

try to comprehend what wildest typed and connect that to what im saying

[regal plank]

What will happen to them other than their net worth going down?

[high osprey]

it's good for casual endgame players and bad for rich players

[rapid gale]

im sorry but like 💀 maybe endgame players can hold their mythics and not sell them..

[eager locust]

try to read before you say you "dont understand" and need an explanation

[bright sage]

yo ass did not understand my post bro its not abouit lootrunning its aobut the economy

[rapid gale]

Until this update i definitely did, now lring is decent

[eager locust]

and that we are "in an echo chamber" (btw i dont even agree with him that its about net worth)

[carmine stratus]

Fun fact endgame players aren't just the economy

[fathom gale]

no thats not his duke's point, he thinks that even if he has the best build right now, he will somehow be unable to play the game when next update drops cuz his items are low value and he cant sell them for the new items that he THINKS will powercreep current items (they wont lmao this isnt genshin impact)

[rapid gale]

I have tried and failed to understand after reading a stupid amount of your messages

[bright sage]

there werent alot of endgame players that hated lootrunning at all only a vocal minority

[bright sage]

just say you didnt read what i said bro

[regal plank]

Eh most people didn’t love it

[eager locust]

you just brought up min maxing, dont disagree with yourself just to disagree with me, you are doing the same thign the content guy was doing

[carmine stratus]

No there was a lot of complaints from various people. And wanted client side chests

[regal plank]

It was pretty boring

[obsidian vine]

wasnt rlly refering to dukes point, just my own

[eager locust]

that content guy litearlly brought up -500 thundr def and then disagreed with himself just to argue with me

[high osprey]

it was litterally the most brainrotting activity ever

[fathom gale]

buddy please stop ignoring context for ONE MINUTE

[eager locust]

?

[rapid gale]

wow I am so excited to right click for 8 hours in order to get a mythic once per month

[fathom gale]

god i hate arguing with people that ignore context just to fortify their arguments

[carmine stratus]

I did. It was fine for endgame players

Outside of the hypixel skyblock wannabes who care WAY too much about their precious money

[bright sage]

aka obviously endgame players

[eager locust]

its so funny cause im literally advocating for these player's efforts to not be worthless in the future

[rapid gale]

I would say the economy before this update was also kinda just way too inflated for ages, if anything this update undid all the issues

[carmine stratus]

A small subset

[high osprey]

endgame players are people who get to SE, do TNA, do EO, etc

[rapid gale]

yea there’s also a lot more casual players than endgame players

[grizzled crescent]

trade ins aren’t going to fully cover the cost of the new thing you’re getting 💀 also oh no 5stx that’s so hard to get

[bright sage]

why wouldnt endgame players who have spent thousnads of hours to get money care aobut the value of their money decreasing

[rapid gale]

this update is going to get casuals to join the endgame so like

[cedar locust]

Does the value of efforts lie in the artifical price tags or the experience?

[regal plank]

I still don’t fully understand this argument. Changes to items and item rarity is inevitable in a game, and is necessary to make sure that the majority of players are able to accomplish tasks and enjoy the game

[eager locust]

never said fully

[carmine stratus]

Because they either dont care about mythics and do content like raids or just war

[fathom gale]

duke just thinks that current items will get powercrept so hard that they will be obsolete next update idk

again this isnt a gacha game so that wont happen

[rapid gale]

Honestly I don’t feel like having one or two mythics should be a hard task but I feel like having a lot should be

[bright sage]

i agree but i think they could have done dis differently without throwing current endgame players under the bus

[eager locust]

its about players who grind right now for 10stx value item, and needing 10stx in the future for new items, but devs make their items 5stx on a whim by flooding market or manually changing whats in the pool

[obsidian vine]

they wont get powercrept but putting in effort rn will feel useless bc you can get the exact same thing in a week for 1 stx like warp

[regal plank]

I don’t think it was a whim

[grizzled crescent]

proving our point that its perfectly reasonable to, as you said, sell your old item for 5 and spend 5 for a newer one

[rapid gale]

who needs 10stx for a new item
and once again the loot chest is random

[regal plank]

I’m a current endgame player and I’m just glad to have new content

[eager locust]

but the prices arent going down natually they are being flooded by the game

you say people should be able to trade in right?
not full value

but why does the game flood items and make your trade in less

[rapid gale]

me too !

[regal plank]

Plus I have a ton of mythics and like no raw lmao

[high osprey]

"endgame players" as you define them are around 1% of the playerbase, at most. i'd say making the game better for the other 99% is a good idea, so the endgame players can cope. it isnt like its going to get reverted either way

[carmine stratus]

Because everyone is lootrunning rn

[rapid gale]

I love how all the proclaimed endgame players have their own idea of what the endgame is

[carmine stratus]

Give it time and it'll slow down

[obsidian vine]

💀

[high osprey]

they dont manually change whats in the pool, its random
this was pointed out to you earlier, please let things into your echo chamber - you might just learn a thing or two

[fathom gale]

we as endgame players dont even suffer at all, its just people coping that their funy mythics are worth less other than that the game will still be as easy as ever to play

[eager locust]

true but thats not the only reason, they changed the rates so "everyone could get one"

[rapid gale]

I read up the chain earlier and it was mentioned 4 times 💀

[high osprey]

thats why i put endgame players in quotes, because i definitely do not define it as lootrunners

[carmine stratus]

You basically warred raided or lootran because its all you could do

[grizzled crescent]

to make mythics more obtainable for players, as that was one of the reasons for this update

[regal plank]

The only endgame players who are “hurt” by this are the ones with mythics. The ones without are going to more easily obtain them now (which was part of the intention of the update)

[eager locust]

#1124403817941844048 message
look at this message from a dev, they admitted to flooding market

[rapid gale]

istg i got so bored that I didn’t even care that much when my account got hacked 💀💀

[fathom gale]

the ones with mythics are only emotionaly hurt so they will be fine

[rapid gale]

not mythics but people with 3 idols and 4 abso a

[eager locust]

im not saying everyone lootrunning is not a reaosn btw im not disagreeing with you

[carmine stratus]

Yes and? Mythics sucked to get

[eager locust]

its still a flood

[rapid gale]

I had mythics before this update but I love this update anywyas

[bright sage]

i hope they make it a bigger pool lol

[regal plank]

You could make a suggestion for that

[rapid gale]

Pray to rngesus that idol gets added back to the pool guys it’s time to eat the rich

[bright sage]

how do i do dat

[regal plank]

Forums or this channel

[grizzled crescent]

and if you can’t cope with losing 5stx from a mythic when you can VERY easily get it back while also ignoring all the positives that came with this update, then wynncraft isn’t the game for you

[eager locust]

my point is still:
how do new players right now, know that the items they buy wont get flooded in the future? if their items are going to become worthless doesnt that take away some of the reason for them to build up items?

[high osprey]

you're accusing them of making specific ones flooded by "manually changing whats in the pool ", they said about all of them

[regal plank]

Make a post about what you think should change

[eager locust]

never said that that is not my point

[fathom gale]

new players dont care, they just go haha funy quest haha funy magic and actualy have fun in the game

[eager locust]

they admitted to flooding market, but they also removed idol and didnt add it back

[silver siren]

This convo is making me lose braincells

[cedar locust]

I think you have to consider how the item would be obtained if there were to be no economy or exchange of items.
The player would engage with mechanics.
If the mechanics are good, the player can take pride in the engagement(lootrunning) and its rewards. (the items)
Do you take pride in knowing your item's artificially bloated price tag or knowing that you made use of skills and got what you deserve for what you did?

[high osprey]

they dont care if they're worthless, because the point of having these items is to use them

[fathom gale]

most people dont overthink the game like you do duke

[eager locust]

they are interfering with it,not just flooding

[high osprey]

the part in quotes is your exact words

[eager locust]

ok? but its the dev's job to think about the future of their game ? RIGHT?

[high osprey]

no they arent, they have no control over the pool - it's random, and changes

[rapid gale]

been on this game for 2 years and I’m still doing that

[high osprey]

same

[fathom gale]

thats what they are doing, if the MAJORITY (NOT ENDGAME PLAYERS) are happy then thats a positive

[eager locust]

???? that is not what im saying? can i clarify what im saying?

admitting to flooding mythics + they interfere with the pool

[silver siren]

People really need to take Funny Block MMO economy less seriously

[fathom gale]

^^

[regal plank]

They don’t know that. And it’s fine despite that because people primarily buy items to use, not to hold and resell. I think it doesn’t take away some of the buildup. It can feel bad when your items aren’t worth as much anymore, but it’s nowhere near the end of the world, and these types of changes are usually beneficial for the less wealthy players

[eager locust]

how does this relate to "how do new players right now, know that the items they buy wont get flooded in the future? if their items are going to become worthless doesnt that take away some of the reason for them to build up items?"

[grizzled crescent]

as someone who used to play hypixel skyblock for 3 years and dealt with its enourmously unstable economy and item balancing, honestly wynncraft is very light when it comes to things like this and you just cope– it’s not hard to recuperate what you “lost”, if it even counts as “lost”

[high osprey]

and what im saying is that they dont interfere with the pool

[rapid gale]

they do not interfere with it my guy
and like flooding is kind of a good thing when the market is this inflated

[eager locust]

why is idol not back then?

[high osprey]

becuase it's RANDOM

[silver siren]

Because its a random pool

[fathom gale]

as i said they just dont care cuz they are busy going haha funy magic and goofing with friends

[cedar locust]

they would also be inevitably interfering for every past and future instances where they increase the level cap (by introducing linear content)

[rapid gale]

The worst update for my money was 2.0 and that dropped my nw by like 4stx 💀

[obsidian vine]

do you rlly think having unid warp be under 1 stx in a few months is a good thing

[rapid gale]

IT IS RANDOM OH YM GOGFODNDE E RRR

[eager locust]

why did they reroll what is random?

[silver siren]

I doubt its gonna get that bad

[eager locust]

its still interfering if they dont add it back

[cedar locust]

is this the concern of money and item hoarders?

[high osprey]

thats how the system works, it changes and it rerolls to be random different items

[fathom gale]

cuz they had to shutdown the servers for mainteance or whatever? you were alredy told that like 50 times

[regal plank]

It rerolls every week randomly

[rapid gale]

is it good for the economy idk
does it make me happy YEA

[eager locust]

its concern for new players , not item holders

[obsidian vine]

its been 2 days since warp was in pool and it dropped from 25 to 6

[high osprey]

how

[rapid gale]

no it is literal heaven for new player

the entry barrier has been lowered by a lot now

[silver siren]

Ok

[grizzled crescent]

^^ mythics are more obtainable than ever

[eager locust]

and this is going to happen to the net worth's of new players who are playing the game right now, In the Future

[rapid gale]

it shouldn’t have been 25!

[obsidian vine]

like yeah it makes mythics more accessible but the ultimate endgame in most mmorpgs is to collect rare items

and if these rare items can be obtained in an hour

[silver siren]

Shiny Mythics

[grizzled crescent]

what? drop from 6 to 5? oh no 1stx

[cedar locust]

what about the networth then?
people are not obligated to sell their items to make ends meet

[obsidian vine]

ofc but it shouldnt be 1 either

[rapid gale]

in wynn why can’t the final goal be to like meet people and make friends
sounds like something nice for a change

[high osprey]

if i were a new player, i'd be CHEERING. hell i am anyway, because im broke, and want funny damage. new players dont care about their net worth, they care about their fun, which is more impacted by funny damage number than funny money number because thats what the game is about

[eager locust]

because players who put in effort now will have worthless mythics just like this guy said 25 to 6, IN THE FUTURE

why is their efforts so worthless

[fathom gale]

bro 5-6 years ago i would have been absolutely out of my mind with joy if i could get my hands on a mythic this easily (i literaly only learned mythics exist in wynncraft when someone got an ignis when we were xp grinding demon cave)

[rapid gale]

wouldn’t mind that much if it was 1 LMAO..

[silver siren]

Yea no thats not how it is lmao

[cedar locust]

Players do not have to liquidate all their items in favor of "the next big thing"

[rapid gale]

idc what time it is I would explode with joy and play wynn at 2am

[regal plank]

Mythics aren’t worthless because of the market, they’re still worth using

[high osprey]

they arent worthless lmfao, they can be USED. this is a game not an economy simulator

[eager locust]

its happening right now look at economy

[silver siren]

TM no-lifers when someone uses an item?????

[rapid gale]

duke can you read this

[cedar locust]

how does it matter?

[obsidian vine]

take literally every mmorpg, the main goal in endgame is to collect rare items, if these rare items are worth 1 stx whats the point

[high osprey]

duke cant read things he disagrees with

[eager locust]

did you read what ive been typing about trade ins?

[rapid gale]

what if Wynn isn’t every mmorpg!

[silver siren]

Shiny Mythics

[high osprey]

the filter on his echo chamber doesnt let other people's oppinions in

[eager locust]

youve been in this channel with me for like 15+ minutes have you read what i said about trade ins?

[rapid gale]

why should I need to trade in? Wynn almost never makes stuff obsolete

[cedar locust]

there is always supply and demand because there are newcomers that desire and veterans that keep providing more

[obsidian vine]

just replace every rare item in any mmorpg with "shiny versions" and say this is the new goal

[grizzled crescent]

i joined the game 4 months ago so i could count as “new”, i got a warp about a month ago for ~20stx, now that same warp is worth 6 and i have no complaints that my effort was worthless, your point?

[eager locust]

why cant they sell their items what issue do you have with players selling items

[cedar locust]

I did

[rapid gale]

and yes this is correct, rn all the shiny mythics suck but wait for the shiny idol lmao

[eager locust]

how did you grind for the 20stx, just interested

[silver siren]

TNA

[cedar locust]

Your reference to real trade-ins aren't not even true to life

[grizzled crescent]

tna..

[cedar locust]

trading in your old stuff for new stuff always takes extra cost than just your items

[high osprey]

i've said my counterpoint about everything going down with what you'd be trading in have you read what i said in response to trade ins?

[eager locust]

yeah but your items dont get flooded
do your items get flooded irl?
if you buy a house and try to sell it does it get flooded by government?

[rapid gale]

You can sell your items anyways, I do it now and I’m still making profit

[cedar locust]

wdym

[eager locust]

if you buy an iphone and try to sell old iphone, does apple randomly release 90000 old iphones into the market
making your iphone worthless?
thats whats happening in wynn

[silver siren]

What even is this counter-argument

[cedar locust]

second hand market

[eager locust]

they asked what i mean

[rapid gale]

my guy have you never considered something called investing while the price crashes and then selling later it is such a mindblowing concept

[eager locust]

this is happening in wynn:
if you try and trade in an old iphone, does apple randomly release 9000 old iphones into the market
makign your trade in worhtless

[young ore]

holy shit how is this guy still going i went for so long

[grizzled crescent]

my guy ignored my entire argument because he doesn’t know how to respond to it

[rapid gale]

warp is going to naturally raise in price in 6 days

[obsidian vine]

💀

[cedar locust]

phones are more like consumables too because they would perform worse and worse and die out

[eager locust]

im legit adding onto it what do you mean

[grizzled crescent]

..?

[silver siren]

Its going to stabilize my guy

[bright sage]

erm

[eager locust]

they are talking about trading in old items

[obsidian vine]

if it was that simple everyone would buy unids rn

[cedar locust]

your newborn won't be using an old ipod either

[eager locust]

you can see they are talking about trading in old items right?

[high osprey]

let's say two mythics, A and B, are the same value before the update
when the market gets flooded, they are both now in, lets say, double the supply
they go down by half the price, lets say
if you sold A, you could still buy B

thats whats happening here, everything is being flooded so you can still buy the same things by selling your stuff as before the update
now can you please stop with this obsolete and ridiculous trade in argument

[cedar locust]

your newborn wouldn't be climbing a ladder of using communication techs from different times

[eager locust]

we are both looing at the same message?

[silver siren]

Stubbornness of a TM no-lifer ig

[bright sage]

tho0ughts on tihs+???

[rapid gale]

no and Wynn doesn’t either, they can’t be asked to target you

[grizzled crescent]

my entire argument was that new players wouldn’t consider their efforts to have gone to waste? can you process words correctly?

[cedar locust]

even if there aren't a billion outdated devices being made in real life
Does it matter?

How does this support your judgement?

[bright sage]

all of yall talkin bout new players yada yada but no endgame players das because yal broke as hell and all casual palyers forealll # top t

[obsidian vine]

not rlly, when they add rodo and skyv camps items are gonna have multiple rotations in different camps like nirvana

[rapid gale]

This is literally a block game rpg can you guys literally please go make some friends (this game has a community that doesn’t suck usually btw)
money isn’t the whole game 😭

[eager locust]

did you see that guys comment about tade ins?

yo can u read?

[cedar locust]

it's not really a comment about trade-in

[young ore]

wtf so false this community is ass these day

[rapid gale]

every time my mythic drops in value I don’t lose money I just have to wait longer for my stuff to sell

[high osprey]

can you? nothing anyones said seems to have processed in your mind so far

[rapid gale]

yea oh my god cal have you heard of this toxic cesspool guild called [ANO] 😭

[eager locust]

this message, you guys see this right? its not invis?

[high osprey]

you didnt even reply to what i had to say

[young ore]

yep yepper ban them

[cedar locust]

What about it?

[silver siren]

Duke and Carry me in Nameless Raid are the same person

[high osprey]

here it is in case you missed it

[obsidian vine]

its gonna take a few weeks max for an item to come back into rotation with rodo and skyv camps added so no they will not stabilize

[eager locust]

thats why i brought up trade ins

[cedar locust]

What

[silver siren]

Dude I literally was almost murdered in ANO true story

[grizzled crescent]

you brought it up now? i thought you said someone else commented about it just a moment ago? can you maintain an argument?

[eager locust]

im bringing it up again cause obviously you didnt see it

[cedar locust]

what

[high osprey]

dukieee, did you forget how to read again?

or do you just not have a good response?

[eager locust]

ill say it again, on the topic of trade ins,
do your trade ins gets randomly flooded?

[cedar locust]

wdym by flooded

[eager locust]

talking about somethign else right now ask me that later

[cedar locust]

Do you mean flooding a market with items

[eager locust]

yes, new items, and them admitting to doing it

[high osprey]

its litterally on the topic of trade ins

[cedar locust]

There is a language barrier here.

[high osprey]

we are very much on that topic right now

[grizzled crescent]

nah i think this makes perfect sense we should talk about this

[silver siren]

We are speaking the same language but I somehow understand Duke less and less every sentence

[fathom gale]

or common sense barrier

[unreal stratus]

what are u guys talking about

[rapid gale]

I agree, do you guys want to talk about a different topic by this point

[eager locust]

type it again or link it, didnt read, thought u were just talking about something random

[unreal stratus]

duke

[cedar locust]

let's say a new thing called C is introduced that's what duke cares about

[unreal stratus]

are u mad that ur mythics are worth less duke?

[high osprey]

#1124403817941844048 message

[silver siren]

Yes

[eager locust]

k thanks for link

[high osprey]

it'll only be a matter of time before C becomes just as devalued too, it isnt like you'd get it from a different system

[unreal stratus]

Duke if your mythics are worth less that is because the game didnt make a mythic just for it to cost 30-40stx and be open to onl 300 people

[fathom gale]

me when i cant actualy enjoy what i have right now and i have to overthink about the future in a pixel block game

[eager locust]

where have you typed about future prices in this?

you forgot to type about prices in the future, only accounting for right now

[high osprey]

why are future prices relevant

[silver siren]

The future of the economy* of a pixel block game

[unreal stratus]

mythic prices have gone down period :P

[young ore]

guys nerf the chest look at this.........

[cedar locust]

The elephant in the room is that people should be engaging with mechanics and get what they deserve for rewards rather than hoping you could just get a new item that is objectively better because of power scaling.

[rapid gale]

ofc every time there’s a new mythic it’s pricy and then as supply increases it falls
do you guys remember when immo was like 7stx..

[eager locust]

cause its the core of the argument you are making against mine?
im saying future prices matter for tade ins?

really? you guys directed all my attention to this 1 comment ?

[unreal stratus]

what is this about trade ins

[grizzled crescent]

future prices of what, mythics? that all are eventually going to stabilize at the same lower price?

[high osprey]

future prices as in prices after they both half, or future prices later down the line?

[unreal stratus]

Duke what is your argument

[silver siren]

Idefk man he’s been on this train for a while too

[obsidian vine]

the same lower price of 32 le

[cedar locust]

I still don't know what they are talking about when they keep saying the economy is in shambles.

[unreal stratus]

Duke tell me your argument .

[eager locust]

directly to you? ok

[young ore]

my name is walter hardwell white

[silver siren]

Just mad because Warp is obtainable by more than the 1% of wealthy rich people

[dim goblet]

real

[unreal stratus]

hartwell*

[fathom gale]

now now dont say people, its just duke that expects free stuff

[cedar locust]

"I can't trade in my Iphone 11 for Iphone 12 because my Iphone 11 is not worth the same amount as Iphone 12"

[young ore]

sorry walter hardwell white

[unreal stratus]

hard 😳

[young ore]

ok crosier

[silver siren]

Hard 😳

[dim goblet]

hello calluum

[young ore]

hello lamdakis

do u hate the opinions people are having

[eager locust]

``
how will players know that in the future the market wont be flooded (dev discord message proof) and that their items will have value, and that they can sell those items for other items they want

how will they know their efforts (right now) wont be devalued (in the future) because of a flood,
and how does that affect their decision of putting in effort right now
``

[dim goblet]

biggest 2.0.3 opp

[high osprey]

in the future they'd just stabilise to be worth the same in comparison to eachother as before the update, because prices in comparison are based off of usefulness. gaia wasnt more common than warp, but warp was still higher priced - warp is still going to be higher priced than gaia, so you'd still - no matter what - be able to trade in and get the same things as before the update

[fathom gale]

broo imagine if crosier and duke started arguing

[silver siren]

Thats just the nature of an online game man

[fathom gale]

end of the world, all life will cease to exist

[cedar locust]

can someone explain how the economy of wynncraft is in shambles

[silver siren]

Been like this since MMOs with economies first began

[young ore]

like 2008 innit

[dim goblet]

mythivcs cost 6 emeralds

[young ore]

6 more emeralds than the entire greek economy

[dim goblet]

ong

[silver siren]

I am richer than the average Ancient Greek

[young ore]

cant print euros can only make gyroz

[rapid gale]

@oregrrrrr

[dim goblet]

i guess so

[eager locust]

there i typed it directly to you

[unreal stratus]

the reason mythics lost so much value is because the game is undergoing a massive jolt to prepare for other updates like fruma's items - the fact that someone's effort were "devalued" because they put in more work and then prices dropped for an item after they bought it is just unfortunate - it happens all the time in the real world and wynncraft.

[fathom gale]

wait so i cant trade my xiaomi redmi note 7 from 2020 for a 2023 xiaomi flagship phone ?? no way you must be joking

[dim goblet]

its fine guys they will release the new rarity: olmic

[unreal stratus]

however, this didn't affect most of the playerbase negatively, and these types of things are probably going to very rare.

[silver siren]

Fruma is likely going to de-value current mythics with its level cap raise anyways

[young ore]

it happened to me true story

[unreal stratus]

yea thats my point - if mythics stayed the same price then fruma would only be open to like 500 people

[young ore]

my precious prof levels were devalued when they added gxp armour and terr boosts

[eager locust]

i agree, so how does this affect a player's decison to put in effort right now

[rapid gale]

wow this is so sad it’s not like I can grind even more prof xp now!!

[unreal stratus]

you just have to cope with it and realize that wynncraft was in an unstable economy and this is paving it over, hurting some people, to make way for a better future price

[grizzled crescent]

it doesn’t because no one actually cares and i am the proof

[silver siren]

Cal was doing a funny irony

[rapid gale]

ik

[silver siren]

Literally just cope Duke

[eager locust]

so its just a cycle of paving over the new players, who will eventually become old players (i said it backwards)

[dim goblet]

:(

[cedar locust]

this is more of a matter of how value should be perceived and what people expect of a game

[unreal stratus]

effort? the only thing people would be putting effort into right now is lootrunning, which works fine - players will always be out to buy mythics just like they buy legendaries and fableds. the reward of this effort is jsut differnet

[young ore]

lamdakis is a FAN

[dim goblet]

im a fan

[rapid gale]

how are new players paved over?? They can now buy mythics without spending a kidney

[silver siren]

Yea…..

[eager locust]

yeah when i mean effort i mean lootrunning or any money making activity

[unreal stratus]

it means hurting players who had more mythics (more rare) to help newer players who don't want to pay a fortune for a mythic (like idol) (more common)

[cedar locust]

hurting who exactly?

[unreal stratus]

lootrunning effort is fine mythics will always be bought. the price is what the price is

[rapid gale]

“They don’t know if their investment will fail” my guy idk how buying unid warp fro 5 can ever fail

[eager locust]

i like how none of you can understand what he is saying just as you didnt undersatnd me LMFAO

[silver siren]

Rich people who are less rich

[dim goblet]

back in my days i was excited when i was getting a mythic

[unreal stratus]

people who had more mythics before the update

[cedar locust]

You sure those aren't people who would enjoy playing cookie clicking

[rapid gale]

back in my days warp was worth 30stx (stupid inflation 1 day ago)

[eager locust]

the issue i have is with the cycle of paving over, the players who are benefitting now will be old players, in the future, and will be paved over for a new wave of new players

(my core point)

[pliant matrix]

these people graduated from harvard they're the best economists u can find

[silver siren]

What

[eager locust]

legit the only person i can actually have a conversation with out of everyone

[cedar locust]

"number go up satisfying"

[fathom gale]

back in my days warp didnt exist

[eager locust]

thankyou its a breath of fresh air

[unreal stratus]

i think that it's uncommon and wynncraft was in a bad spot - the best thing we can hope for is for them to learn not to decrease initial rates like they did with mythics.

[high osprey]

most of them wont even end up being the insanely rich people that are being disadvantaged now

[unreal stratus]

the reason mythics were so expensive is because of the way they were obtanable

[silver siren]

Yea the people who are getting paved over are just rich people

[eager locust]

is "uncommon" refering to market right now? or an event in the past that jacked up prices

[unreal stratus]

if wynncraft learns to not make rare items incredibly unobtainable or demanding then its fine

[rapid gale]

and?? old players can also benefit from deflation by getting even more mythics

[unreal stratus]

uncommon for wynncraft to have to kill off mythics like this

[eager locust]

no, its a cycle so its new players

[rapid gale]

marqn is literally ancient and still making money

[cedar locust]

I think they would enjoy clicking the cookie image over and over again

[grizzled crescent]

there are 4 people complaining about this update so i don’t see why you’re speaking for the minority

[glad ermine]

ain’t know way this is still going on 💀

[unreal stratus]

so basically, this won't happen again as long as wynncraft learns to improve their rates of getting good items. then they won't have to do it halfway through as they did with mythics.

[bright sage]

isn’t fruma like lvl 70 😭😭

[silver siren]

I really don’t see how new players are getting screwed by this

[cedar locust]

numbers keep growing

[eager locust]

ok thanks, thats all i gota know

[silver siren]

No its confirmed to be 105+

[high osprey]

they arent killing off mythics, they're making it so the 99% of people who dont lootrun for 8 hours a day can actually use them

[eager locust]

understand now thanks for your time

[unreal stratus]

yeah i feel like ur being antagonized but have peace of heart just need to get better rates and the cycle is gone

[bright sage]

fire

[unreal stratus]

i know i was being a bit hyperbolical im typing quick

[cedar locust]

who are you talking about anyways

[silver siren]

Walter Hardwell White

[eager locust]

"walter white"

[unreal stratus]

Hard 🤨

[rapid gale]

duke confirmed to be skyler white

[unreal stratus]

you guys are antagonizing duke who is just wondering if in the future people work hard for something and then the price of it drops incredibly
hes a good guy

[high osprey]

we're doing that because he's in an echo chamber

[rapid gale]

[glad ermine]

the kid has been crying about this for the past 24 hours tho, non stop may i add

[unreal stratus]

it must drive someone insane for no one to understand their point

[cedar locust]

I don't know how someone could find themselves in a bad mood over that
The game would have to be really bad
This should say something

[silver siren]

It took me 2 years to get my first Mythic weapon, I don’t want others to go through that

[grizzled crescent]

we’ve been saying you don’t need to worry about that and even if you do, the damage lost is minimal (for the huge majority of players)

[unreal stratus]

you guys keep demeaning his points and rewording them - thats whats drivign him nuts

[silver siren]

We aren’t?

[unreal stratus]

then whats this about trade ins

[cedar locust]

and that's where I would deter people from playing the game unless the game changes for the better

[unreal stratus]

ok bye this is lame the debate is over tl;dr make items more common to get

[eager locust]

ty

[glad ermine]

cus his point is stupid, and a lot of ppl tried to understand and reason with him but he keeps whining lol. he won’t listen to anyone and if he’s that invested in a block game then he should take a break, evaluate his life, and if he’s old enough get a job (which i doubt he’s above th age of 13)

[silver siren]

You could’ve done this a while ago duke

[cedar locust]

The "value" of their hard-earned items dropping wouldn't be the truly traumatizing part.
It'd be the experience of grinding.

[high osprey]

we dont understand his point because it just doesnt make any sense, and he refuses to see our points as to why

[glad ermine]

^^

[silver siren]

Yea, his wording didn’t help

[unreal stratus]

i had a very clear response with him

[cedar locust]

He thinks he can just trade a conventionally considered worse digital device for a better one

[unreal stratus]

maybe you guys dont have the walter skill

[cedar locust]

without also paying couple dozen bucks

[glad ermine]

is this dukes 2nd account lmao

[high osprey]

i gave valid counterpoints against him for that and all of his counterpoints too, and he ended up just ignoring my later counter-counterpoints

these counterpoints turning into a pokemon battle

[glad ermine]

it’s like talking to a brick wall fr

[cedar locust]

you mean he switched to his alt personality and starts conveying messages more clearly than the previous self

[glad ermine]

even then i think you’d get more out of a brick wall lol

[high osprey]

#1124403817941844048 message

[cedar locust]

and no one ever engaged with my arguments about engaging with the game mechanics to get the rewards

[glad ermine]

LMAO i didn’t even see you say that

[cedar locust]

game mechanics that are not related to economy or trading

[unreal stratus]

can confirm i am his alt

[glad ermine]

glad we agree though XD

[silver siren]

Walter Hardwell White exposed

[unreal stratus]

Hard.

[high osprey]

indeed

[silver siren]

Hard 😳

[cedar locust]

I think you would be fitting to become a gundam pilot and commit atrocities with a war machine

[unreal stratus]

Ok but what defines an atrocity

[silver siren]

Depends on if you win or lose

[unreal stratus]

Are human beings really equal?

[silver siren]

Warcrimes are determined by who wins

[cedar locust]

Do we possess the same level of intelligence?

[silver siren]

Is your mom single?

[high osprey]

warcrimes are defined by whatever i do, fr they keep making rules just to nerf me

[cedar locust]

Are we seeing the same colors differently?

[silver siren]

Is your mom single?

[cedar locust]

Why can't I trade my Gale's Force for Epoch?

[silver siren]

When will my dad come back with the milk?

I get its a hard choice and traffic can be bad but man….. 15 years?

[eager locust]

is this a gundam quote?

[cedar locust]

I don't know any person who has went to the troubles of lootrunning in the past just to get a specific weapon at level
I don't want to know either

[unreal stratus]

no i think its elite classroom

[silver siren]

Its a certified Walter HarDwell White quote

[silver siren]

I lootran for a yang

Got a good one too

[unreal stratus]

do you think the wynncraft team will actually read and consider this

it must be a headache

[hybrid frigate]

Those pricks only sell expired milk everywhere

[silver siren]

No, this thread has so many messages its not worthit

[high osprey]

no, plus the changes have already been made

it isnt like they'd rollback the server to before the update and drop the rates

[unreal stratus]

no i mean for the future implications

like not making newer items so gated

[cedar locust]

HSB 2.0

[high osprey]

newer items will be gotten through the same system of lootrunning, just probably in fruma, so they wont be as gated as before this update

[unreal stratus]

eh thats kind of borign but if they do that hten sure

[cedar locust]

"grind for this first so you grind less of another thing!!!!!" (the game's designed to eat away more of your time and/or money)

[unreal stratus]

mmorpg moment

[high osprey]

less boring than if it were still just the old lootrunning

[cedar locust]

the HSB experience

[fiery scarab]

which items are gated?

[high osprey]

it isnt like they'd revamp lootrunning again just for fruma, just to make the new items harder to get

[unreal stratus]

mythics used to be with old lring

[fiery scarab]

you mean they're expensive

[unreal stratus]

inb4 someone starts a thread on my message

[unreal stratus]

ya

[high osprey]

yeah, which means you had to lootrun an ungodly amount just to get them

[fiery scarab]

it didn't take too long to get a mythic from lootrunning, but lootrunning was just the most boring thing on earth

[halcyon mural]

has anybody raised hell about the vip+ rank color change yet

[fiery scarab]

also expensive to do optimally and tedious to find good worlds while avoiding snipes

[halcyon mural]

it is a travesty

[unreal stratus]

i only have vip

after my business was seized

[halcyon mural]

they turned our glorious aquamarine into this flat mauve

[rapid gale]

i am more annoyed about how they nerfed vip+ by removing the party cap increase

[halcyon mural]

it's actively degrading. the value of vip+ has noticeably decreased

[unreal stratus]

i think its for champions too

the pfinder cap is just 8 universally to reduce lag ()?

[cedar locust]

warframe moment
(the existence of Forma and untradeable items that you could never get in a foreseeable future)
(I am talking about blueprints that are obtained from the star chart)

[rapid gale]

party size doesn’t cause lag, it’s idiots who repeatedly spam abilities like escape artist

[tropic wing]

So when you get an insane amount of pulls, instead of getting le it gets replaced by legendaries. Personalyl I dont feel like anyone want the legendaries over le. I also feel like if I had 212 pulls and 14 rrs that I should have gotten a mythic. granted I could have got unlucky, but I feel like after a certain amount fableds/legendary items replace the mythics.

[unreal stratus]

i wish i could have 212 pulls. i get 15

[neon slate]

To all those who think the UI is designed poorly graphic design wise, here's a recolored version of the UI to prove that it's a problem with graphic design and you can simply bypass it with a resource pack.

have a nice day y'all and remember that you don't have to put up with a bad ui that hurts your eyes when you can have something much nicer for your eyes!

Designed by @ocean forge

[teal radish]

Yeah the organization of the reward chest is kinda wack, the legendaries are also above the lr exclusive fableds

and 2EB above tol runes

ideally they would just make multiple pages to allow every pull in the chest

[pallid kestrel]

Bro u can realistically get 1 mythic per lootrun

<40 mins too

This is busted

[silver siren]

What

[tropic wing]

I think that honestly is the best answer. I mean besides the animantion, imagine getting like 200 items at once lmao. I don't think the animation is needed tbh, its nice but if they would do that idea I think they would have to make a limit on how many items appear.

[silver siren]

Ok?

[pallid kestrel]

14 rerolls 🤯

[silver siren]

Ok??

[unreal stratus]

did you get mythic

[pallid kestrel]

Yea

[unreal stratus]

what mythci

[shell sky]

How do you use this? just drag it into the resourcepacks folder and enable it?>

[neon slate]

yep, there are some steps tho

1. get the wynn pack externally, you can ask someone in #❓questions on how to get it
2. set server resource packs as disabled and add the default pack manually to ur resource packs
3. add in the stone tablet pack and put it above the default pack for better priority

[shell sky]

aww hell nah id rather just have my eyes bleed

[unreal stratus]

what mythci do ido yui eqwtg

what mythic did you get*

[pallid kestrel]

Unid warp why?

Wanna buy it

[silver siren]

Lol

[pliant matrix]

this is just straight up better without thinking LOL

wonder why the ct couldn't make something like this

[pallid kestrel]

@cunning verge do u happen to run the ui design?

[ocean forge]

nice advertising 💪

[neon slate]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1129847836310249555

for any future gui if anyone makes I'll post in that thread

if thr quality of the ui is not good we can simply not use it instead of keep giving feedback that gets shut down or ignored about the ui

[pallid kestrel]

I still don't understand why the feedback on the ui was ignored bro, clearly the new style wasn't popular and they dont seem to take our argument seriously for some reason

[neon slate]

probably don't wanna hurt the person who made it

[pallid kestrel]

selling dm me bro

[pallid kestrel]

bruh dam

[neon slate]

bump

[pallid kestrel]

i mean still tho, facts are more important than feelings, if somebody in CT isn't doing a good job, we should protect their feelings and keep letting them do a poor job?

idk makes no sence to me

[neon slate]

shrug I was making an assumption

just an educated guess from everything I've read

[sleek valley]

🤔

[neon slate]

.

[ocean forge]

well tell anything what you think 🙂

or you talking about original wynn pack?

[pallid kestrel]

talking about the og one made by ct

[pallid kestrel]

I think yours is a improvement tho well designed bro

[ocean forge]

thanks 🙂

[neon slate]

cuz if after all the feedback given about it

if there was nothing done about the insane saturation and the design being too distant from the game style

that could be the only logical reason to not change the whole thing to be a bit more comfortable on the eyes instead of light mode goofiness

there was an argument that said the ui is no different than ability tree that is slowly making me think it's just bias at this point on why it wasn't changed

(talking about ct ui not redesigns)

[ocean forge]

also, gonna leak something:
next global update will be ability tree menu!

[pallid kestrel]

I mean to be fair, the only CT who made any comment was madeline, and she never really seriously addressed my argument and she disappeared after we completely debunked her supposed counterarguments..

but tbf it's madeline what were u expecting xd

(reference to my thread ofc)

[neon slate]

she isn't the one who made the resource pack. please don't direct any disrespect towards any particular ct member just reply as "they" as a collective for any feedback btw in the future, just an unspoken rule about this stuff.

directing targeted comments about any ct member no matter who they are is not right. it makes any feedback more distasteful and just increases the time that's taken to implement this

please keep this in mind brother as it just helps feedback when we're chill about it 🙏

[pallid kestrel]

I can respect certain ct, I am indifferent to certain ct, there are also a few that I cannot respect. Also I'm not expressing distaste towards the ugly ui in this case, I'm expressing distaste towards the lack to transparency and logic in their actions.

by their i mean one specific indiviual who shall go unnamed

[neon slate]

I'm not gonna give further comments on that. I've said what needed to be said.

[ocean forge]

here comes the sneak peak of new icon of shiny mythics:

[pallid kestrel]

broooo

[ocean forge]

no i didnt got shiny collapse

[cunning verge]

you don't fucking know me

stop acting like we somehow have history, I disliked a post because you said to bring back to old quest book

you later changed it and then you went into my DMs and pestered me

[neon slate]

Kinda cringe to annoy someone in dms about stuff that they're not even incharge of @pallid kestrel don't do it in the future

anyway

I feel like if the chat ui isn't getting changed it should atleast include the guild stars and player level star (that old players have) to not shit on someone's grind 😔👍

@thegondulf.knight do you think it's possible to do it with ur resource pack?

@ocean forge

the ping didn't work, weird

[teal radish]

didn’t they add guild stars back?

or was that person lying

[neon slate]

haven't checked I am out of town, if they have that's pretty damn cool 😁

[neon slate]

.... where is the guild stars?

[teal radish]

idk

[neon slate]

p a i n

[young ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841838638806335538/1129448412220227665/image.png

trophies instead

those are the 3 tiers at levels 40 70 and 100

[neon slate]

oh... that's rather underwhelming

but hey something's better than nothing and it looks cool too

[young ore]

when hovered

[unreal stratus]

It looks pretty cool!

[neon slate]

ahh that's much better

[young ore]

i think it could be better than stars

if they made the distinctions between the tiers more clear

[neon slate]

yeah maybe different shades of color

[unreal stratus]

I cant deny I did like the stars but that might just be me taking time to adjust

[neon slate]

probably yeah, was the player old level cap star added back too?

[sleek valley]

no, and it's unlikely to be re-added

[neon slate]

rip

[teal radish]

still don’t like that you have to hover to see all this stuff now

it’s a good step though, hopefully veteran gets its rank status back next

[neon slate]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1129847836310249555

repost cuz of the convo

[ocean forge]

do what?

[neon slate]

add a star for people who had 106 before level cap increase?

[ocean forge]

hmmmm

ill take a look at it and in the future updates maybe they'll get that star icon 😎

[pallid kestrel]

This user you’re defending can’t be real 😭💀

Several points

[neon slate]

I don't care just keep slander out of feedback

[pallid kestrel]

I simply asked a question to clarify something. I also never changed anything as she mentions I did (she certainly could check audit). She also never responded to my actual argument 💀💀😭

[neon slate]

listen, don't annoy ct personally makes it harder to get stuff done even more ya know I'm saying this from personal experience

this includes hopping in dms for any reasons, keep wynn related stuff only in wynn discord if someone doesn't respond just leave em be

[pallid kestrel]

That’s under the assumption that they have plans to get said ‘stuff’ done. In this case the ui design. I was asking for her counterargument to determine if she had a reasonable basis for disliking the post before they begin working on an alternate design

[neon slate]

bro stop trying to argue about everything
everything doesn't need a counter argument if someone doesn't like something move on there's no convincing them otherwise it's only gonna make the situation worse especially feedback and especially in Wynn where we can already see how feedback is handled, arguing more about it isn't gonna make things any better just move on ong

[pallid kestrel]

Yea if someone doesn’t like something then they must have a basis for disliking it, whereas she provides none (which compels me to believe that her reasoning is strictly emotional and not logical)

[neon slate]

bro she's not responsible for resource pack (I think) stop caring so much

just use the alternate guh

[pallid kestrel]

That is besides my point in the first place

[neon slate]

I've said more than enough

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1129847836310249555

repost cuz of the convo

peace

[pallid kestrel]

I said why that shouldn’t be the case as well

peace

[bronze prism]

man, you must absolutely hate leveling up new classes dude

[fathom gale]

no dont revive him 😭

[neon slate]

(what if they have all slots full ;)

nonetheless it's a game ppl put in effort for temporary excitement not long term excitement lol

[fathom gale]

nah duke is always planing in the future

[neon slate]

fr bro wants to make a carreer out of Wynncraft

[fathom gale]

update 1.19? no having fun must prepare for 1.20!
update 1.20? no having fun must prepare for 2.0

update 2.0? no having fu n must prepare for fruma

[neon slate]

top irl trader quality ngl! what excellent!

[neon slate]

(I was one of the first members) (I was also one of the first to leave )

[fathom gale]

Pls tell me this clownfest died for good

[neon slate]

think it did thankfully

[bright sage]

top t is recruiting #ad #1129201931592671413

[fathom gale]

Nope nope nope never looking in ther again

[agile jungle]

why nottt

[fathom gale]

You know why

[young ore]

1.19...........

[subtle prairie]

What a sad way to play games

[young ore]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-bart-simpson-sad-tears-emotional-gif-16422703

[full tangle]

Hey so I noticed that when the “kill one” to open the skull part of the corrupted underworld crypt, when you kill the main enemy the gate doesn’t open

[teal radish]

yup known bug

[silver siren]

Because screw you

[lone leaf]

i do not think this is true

[ocean forge]

tell irony to check dm linny

@lone leaf

[lone leaf]

he probably looked idk

it is his dm to check

[ocean forge]

also linny

can you tell me how healing effectiveness work?
does it actually make hpr/4s to hpr/3.8 or even 3 whole seconds?

[unreal forge]

The horse in the Lantern Keepers Cave is really overpowered. At nearly all stages of lootrunning, it is absurdly difficult. It deals more damage than the cave boss and is impossible to kill. It also charges at the player with teleport-like speed. As a result, from what I have seen, many people tend to avoid this due to it being nearly impossible in later parts- even with good boons.

Some classes/archetypes are able to handle it well, as they don't touch the ground, though a few players struggle with this greatly.

[cunning verge]

it is

[lone leaf]

how

[cunning verge]

dont kill it

the horse is immortal and the more you kill it the stronger and faster it gets

[lone leaf]

tier 7 spawns like anywhere midgame+ and tiers above it are just rarer drops from those no?

[gentle sable]

ignore the horse, focus on the mob you need to open the chest

[lone leaf]

the horse mythic farming incident of 2021

[cunning verge]

i believe from what salted said, the tier 10 requires like a chest with level 110 loot to even generate or something goofy

[drifting tapir]

funny when you are a aoe dmage build and hit the horse by existing

[unreal forge]

I play arcanist mage so the aoe makes it impossible to not kill it, let alone avoid it entirely.

[lone leaf]

dafuq

[cunning verge]

a quirky tip, you can kite the horse into the arrow storm the lantern keeper casts and if it kills the horse, the horse will Die die

[lone leaf]

theres no way that’s real considering the chest that spawned it was just some cork chest

[cunning verge]

was it an avos animation totem cave chest

[lone leaf]

quirkier tip. when you do that cave just sit by the wall and wait for the lantern to tp into you and get stuck in the wall then kill iy

[cunning verge]

so

[lone leaf]

i mean those r unleveled i think no?

[cunning verge]

until 2.0.3 avos animation totem was level 115

[lone leaf]

NAH

[cunning verge]

i think

[lone leaf]

oh my god 💀

[unreal forge]

Interstingm thanks for the tips. I think that it still should probably get a nerf, but idk maybe I'm just too inexperienced

[cunning verge]

it was definitely in the 100s

[lone leaf]

that’s so dumb

either way it shouldn’t have worked due to the mob being Dead but maybe that’s just how shit is

[cunning verge]

linny you know that wynncraft works in mysterious ways

[lone leaf]

well .

[cunning verge]

and half the time it Does not Work

[lone leaf]

i will check if the chest is in a territory or not because that always works

but if it isn’t you’re probably right tbh

learn something new every day ig

[vocal stone]

have you considered this?

[fathom gale]

just kill the lanternt fast enough

[glad ermine]

does vibrant yellow / stacking yellow do anything? (probs not but asking anyways)

[fathom gale]

or alternatively agro the lantern keeper then go back through the exit with teleport and spam meteors from safety

[glad ermine]

also, as the rewards for the camps change every week, is it possible that a mythic that was in one week can be in the next one? or is it always different to the week prior? or how does it work

[tropic wing]

I think mods said it was completely random

[unreal forge]

We saw this with Nirvana. It was first in SE and then the day afater it was in Corkus. It has now gotten reset, though.

[glad ermine]

interesting, now i’m just wondering the same mythic can be in the same camp 2 weeks in a row

gotta wait and see i guess

[drifting tapir]

anyone else have problems running out of time in Corkus?

also btw idk why you can't use your horse in the lootruns

[bronze prism]

iirc that was a Salted decision, I think the reason he gave is that horses are just kinda not fun for gameplay or that they invite a really "skip everything" mentality of play but I could very well be wrong about this so like

[citation needed]

[lone leaf]

yes, not on caves

sadly i don’t think it stacks loot quality tho. so u just get more shit items.

[lone leaf]

just make horses only usable in travel

[bronze prism]

hey, I'm just the potentially incorrect messenger

[drifting tapir]

I mean there is mage teleport

[teal radish]

^ this

how is warp teleport less of a skip everything mentality than horses

(directed to salted if you're correct about his reasoning, selvut. not trying to shoot the messenger here)

[silver siren]

I am trying to shoot the messenger (I am American I love shooting things)

[teal radish]

you're not gonna be able to, messengers are too fast

how else do you think they get all those messages around

[neon slate]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1129847836310249555

for all those who hate the new UI

[ocean peak]

calling horses "skip everything" gameplay when 4/5 movement spells do that but 9x better is fucking maddening

[neon slate]

that's just an excuse for removing them cuz of a bug (too much effort to fix ig lol)

[silver siren]

Yea its really just hurting people who don’t have builds that can spam movement spells

Like melee builds

[cloud mulch]

knockback moment

[candid prawn]

“And it was the very fastest falcon in the kingdom

It may already be there”

[cloud mulch]

and mana also

[ocean peak]

There’s no fucking way you’re actually gonna argue a horse is better than movement spells

[silver siren]

I mean I guess in some cases maybe????? Depending on the movement spell and terrain ofc

Like Mage movement spell with spell spam build is always gonna beat a horse, but like I guess Archer vs White Horse might have a harder time

Shaman movement spell is icky though thats for sure

[crystal lantern]

at least a horse cant get you 100 blocks in the air like blood connection can after a few casts

[subtle prairie]

depends on how you use your horse

[wet vector]

do u have a pegasus or smth

[fathom gale]

do you not ?

[pallid kestrel]

bro

why did Warp's base dmg got nerfed by 90

it used to be 905 now its 815

a6a6a6

[finite heart]

The 100 base dmg in question:

[fathom gale]

well it was the strongest mage dps weapon by a long shot

so its not that suprising

[pallid kestrel]

where u see that, its not on the forums

[finite heart]

It is on the forums

[fathom gale]

it should be in the changelog ?

[pallid kestrel]

even before the nerf Quetz/fatal out dps's warp by at least 25%

now quetz/fatal out dps's warp by over 40%

[fringe mortar]

that does not look right

[fathom gale]

fatal can only outdps fatal if you dont build any utility (walk speed) lol

[finite heart]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/item-team-thread-item-ingredient-major-id-changes-updates-more.269645/page-71#post-3610474

[fathom gale]

and warp outscales quetz like a truck with tomes and armor powder

all while having infinite mobility

dont get me wrong i love my warpanist and use it 24/7 but the nerfs are reasonable

[pallid kestrel]

nuh uh, my fatal build gets 105 ws and still does 53k meteors untomed

[pallid kestrel]

not on this thread, i did cmd+f and i dont see a change for warp https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/2-0-3-full-changelog-lootrun-reworks-more.308462/

[pallid kestrel]

ok yea thanks bro

[fathom gale]

personaly 105 ws is not enough to properly enjoy arcanist so i dont really care if it outdamages warp at that point

i need atleast 150 to have fun

idealy 200+ tho

[fathom gale]

and pray tell how much ehp does that fatal build hve

[pallid kestrel]

in the build i use same as quetz (5 def 75 agi)

[fathom gale]

yeah so almost 2x less than warp

btw can you show me the build rq

i want to compare it to my warp fully boosted

[pallid kestrel]

yea 1s

[hard heron]

does anyone else have issues seeing where the beacons are in se?

terrain goes up so high that sometimes i literally cant see any beacon, much less track where its trying to point me

[pallid kestrel]

it is this one

[fathom gale]

i need the link

[pallid kestrel]

tomed does 75k meteors

[pallid kestrel]

idk i dont want ct nerfing this build bro

[fathom gale]

[fathom gale]

are you using life steal tomes

[robust shore]

Deserved

[pallid kestrel]

No its quetz 💀

Fatal does the literal exact same dmg

Slightly more but less ws and ls

[pallid kestrel]

With the traditional combat warp build this one is nearly double the dps

[fathom gale]

brah i was trying to reverse engineer it with fatal in mind and was loosing my marbles over the 3 jump height

[fathom gale]

ok well i cant figure out what crafted accesories you are using but i can tell you this isnt doing nearly 2x the warp dps, its doing just about 25% more dps than the warp BUT warp has almost 3x the ehp and ~40% more raw hp AND over 2x the walk speed AND infinite teleports

so with that in mind the warp nerfs were deserved

i wish it didnt get nerfed cuz as i said i use it 24/7 but it is what it is

[pallid kestrel]

Traditional combat warp gets 29k meteors now 😭💀

[fathom gale]

my build gets almost 32k but that scales to nearly 60k with tomes and dodge

[vast osprey]

i feel like mythic drop rates should be changed, like 1.5-2x rarer

[fathom gale]

probably rarer than that tbh

[vast osprey]

yeah but then people get mad at me

[fathom gale]

im even finding mythics in normal chests while lootruning

[vast osprey]

lol, cutting warps into 1/5 the original price isn’t good

[light pivot]

ye i found a chest with just a collapse inside and nothing more while lootrunning

[fathom gale]

not quite 1/5

[vast osprey]

i’ve gotten 15 ficking mythics from the update also very close to 28stx to 5 ish

[fathom gale]

its original price was around 14 stx but then it inflated to 30stx due to some duper shenanigans

[vast osprey]

oh.

[fathom gale]

but still 3x is a lot

[light pivot]

wait why did duper stuff make warp more expensive?

[vast osprey]

yeah

[light pivot]

i have no idea what happenned pls tell

[vast osprey]

i duped a bit

and bought warps (real please don’t. ban me)

[pallid kestrel]

Tomes + rage 😭

[fathom gale]

naw bro dont go counting rage into the normal dps, that shit only works against a dummy in housing

do anything else with rage and 18k ehp and you'll die every other minute

you arent a warrior so you cant just fly over the enemies to completely avoid damage

[young ore]

nope i can

[pallid kestrel]

u say its hard to avoid dmg if ur mage?

[spring sky]

why avoid damage when you can just tank it?

[light pivot]

u cant if u use a glassy builds

[spring sky]

after playing paladin for more than 5 minutes, I can

t ever go back to playing a glass build

[light pivot]

i played non fallen warrior for 0.000000000001 seconds and am now addicted to this one specific build i like way too much

the build in question is also the reason i want a shiny collapse

idc about the stats the build is spell stuff with mr for sustain

[rare sedge]

interlude walk speed is a thing, so rather not a case, I thin

[vocal coral]

how the fuck do you see how long a chest has been unopened

[teal radish]

u can’t if it’s not a t3/t4 in a cave

[silver siren]

Yay