Cool idea for HCIH that would make it more rewarding for completion.

[snow swift]

Basically, the idea here is, when you complete HCIH - being: killing every boss, doing every quest, every raid, dungeon e.t.c - 100% the game. You should be able to have the permission to use the bank, or maybe even like a ironman or HCIH specific quest to UNLOCK the ability again to use the bank (maybe even trademarket) so the time you spent leveling your gathering/crafting is more rewarding, so the player could sell the stuff he gathered.

[patent jewel]

I mean doesn't that kind of take the point out of the ironman gamemode?

[candid solstice]

COMPLETION REQUIREMENTS

These are the things you need to do in order to complete HIC:
Complete all raids
Complete all dungeons (corrupted and normal)
Find all discoveries
Find all secret discoveries
Complete all quests
Complete all mini quests (gathering and slaying)
Unlock all Tome slots (including Guild Tome)
Solo Legendary Island (video proof is required unless your pc is too potato to record. In that case a screenshot of the diamond token will be accepted)
Achieving combat level 105

ALL OF THESE must be completed with a red Hardcore tag at the end. Any death that turns your tag gray invalidates the attempt and will not be recognized as completed.

106 and EO solo aren't required, but they are a nice flex.

[soft shard]

Hate to break it to you but the entire reason to complete a hich is 1 the journey, and 2 you never have to play the class again unless you really want to (and 3 being bragging rights)

[candid solstice]

I think you should read the conditions when you choose the challenge, PVP being permanent.

I like the concept though

[candid solstice]

You physically can sell stuff from your ironman btw, do /pet with lvl 28 pets

[soft shard]

I think a better suggestion would be a cosmetic for the completion of each challenge mode along side maybe different ones if you use a different combination of modes

Like a skin or particle effect

[patent jewel]

Yes a cosmetic for completing the challenges is something that has been recommended a few times and i also believe would be a good reward

[snow swift]

Yeah basically 100%-ing the game and then being able to use that.

[snow swift]

Is that what the developers and people behind the curtain intended it to be? Because it can always be improved to satisfy players and make it more fun and actually perhaps worth for the average person, because ultimately if you aren't a hardcore fan it's kind of a waste of time, no? Also it could be a cool introduction for new people so they can like level their gathering/crafting whilst having fun and replaying wynn again, idk tho:)

[soft shard]

The whole point of combining all 4 of the sort of already challenging challenges, is to make them even more challenging

[candid solstice]

I wouldn't say HICH is really a challenge i'd say its more of an inconvenience, just play HIC

[snow swift]

Exactly, but don't we all want to improve win? Have it have more content? This would definitively do that.

[snow swift]

That might be the initial point, but it can be always changed surely.

[serene sun]

What is hcih?

[snow swift]

HCIH is Hardcore Crafted Ironman Hunted, all 4 gamemodes combined.

[dim crescent]

that is the real question here

[candid solstice]

HICH.

[serene sun]

Oh sick, I assume by this post you just completed it?

[dim crescent]

aw
im yellow now
only took like 8 months to update

[serene sun]

Or maybe you are close?

[snow swift]

You have to have all 4 gamemodes applied is what I meant.

[snow swift]

Nope, we're in progress of it and we're seeing the flaws.

[candid solstice]

What is improve win

[serene sun]

Who is we?

[snow swift]

wynn*

[soft shard]

Yea but by doing so you defeat the whole purpose of the Ironman gamemode if in the end you can just transfer everything off

[snow swift]

Me and my friend

[candid solstice]

Tseyii

[snow swift]

Yes

[soft shard]

Oh wait

[candid solstice]

I think this thread is misdirected, do you mean you want different kinds of ironman

[snow swift]

Nothing has to be static, change can be made. And I told you already not ironman only, It's for 4 gamemodes combined that it would apply.

[serene sun]

Oh sick, you do realize that by making this post and saying you play hich, you have practically guaranteed you will never complete, right?

[snow swift]

I mean ALL 4 gamemodes combined, 100%-ing the game would equal to this.

[snow swift]

What do you mean? How will I never complete it.

[dim crescent]

an icbm is rapidly approaching your location
impact in t-34 seconds

[soft shard]

A hich completion doesn’t count to anyone unless you have 0 deaths (your red hardcore tag)

[snow swift]

That could be added. Even though you do die the hardcore cons still are in effect, but that could be a thing that's harder.

[dim crescent]

and you loose that red hardcore tag if you get killed by someone also in hunted

[serene sun]

It is already implemented

[snow swift]

I think you don't know what we're talking about here bro

[soft shard]

I’m pretty sure they do

[dim crescent]

i think we all know better than you do

[candid solstice]

Hang on

[snow swift]

He's saying ''it is already implemented'' like I said it isn't

[serene sun]

💀

[candid solstice]

What is your point to this HICH thread

[snow swift]

To make it more fun? And more of a reward so casuals do it?

[dim crescent]

It took me 200 hours to complete hic
i dont think anyone that isnt insane will ever do it

[soft shard]

It’s not a casual thing though

[snow swift]

Not they, but I was talking about Azap

[soft shard]

Hence why it’s a challenge

[soft shard]

No I’m pretty sure Azap knows what their talking about

[snow swift]

Yeah but more casuals would do it

[candid solstice]

I don't really deem it a challenge to myself anymore its more of entertainment

[dim crescent]

nope

[snow swift]

Why is he saying that ''it's already implemented'' then?

[soft shard]

But why would a casual player attempt the hardest and grindiest challenge there is

[serene sun]

Xxx looking ass thinking he knows how to play hich and how it can be “fixed” meanwhile dying on his lvl 22

[dim crescent]

it still requires you to level profs as you level up
wich is not something anyone would just do

[soft shard]

You still lose like your entire inventory if you die with a gray tag

[candid solstice]

I think adding cosmetics for reaching certain combat levels would be cooler or achievements for it?

[serene sun]

You realize almost all of us are clowning you rn, right

[dim crescent]

yea

[candid solstice]

I'm not 😭

[snow swift]

Yeah? What's your point, I never said different

[soft shard]

You were just saying it didn’t though?

[snow swift]

You guys don't have any arguments, picking on lose threads, all good though.

[snow swift]

Where?

[soft shard]

I gave my input which you immediately ignored

[dim crescent]

most of us here completed hic(h)

[soft shard]

Not me yet

yet

[dim crescent]

i said most

[soft shard]

I should really get around to playing hic

[snow swift]

About ''why would casual players would play it, since it's a challenge?'' point? Well let me respond: THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!! :OOO still would make it better of a mode, and more CONTENT to the game :D

[soft shard]

My last one died

[snow swift]

LLJ

[snow swift]

Exactly.

[candid solstice]

How about make a new challenge easier for more average players and leave HICH as a more OSRS challenge

[snow swift]

Sure but I'd love for this to be implemented.

[candid solstice]

because i dont want my gamemode tarnished somehow

[soft shard]

@snow swift this you and your friend? Can’t remember which one had 20 deaths on a hh

[serene sun]

Ahahahha

[dim crescent]

bonk

[snow swift]

How would it be tarnished though? Do you just personally don't find these changes good or what.

[soft shard]

I saw the party chat of you saying there was a shade player hunting you and your friend

[snow swift]

I mean a new gamemode would be nice but therefore it'd take more time from the devs when this change is pretty good.

[candid solstice]

You would be changing them fundamentally just how 60 second combat ruined pvp even more

[upper mountain]

we werent trying to not die and i bet ur using that api to find kids which is by the way.. bannable? And ur camping, nice skill bro

[soft shard]

Last I checked everyone has access to the wynncraft website

[candid solstice]

API? it's a scrap party my guy

[soft shard]

Also yea it’s a scrap party

Doesn’t take a genius to find you there

[candid solstice]

Guilds host these every day

[upper mountain]

haha sure, defo used the API

[serene sun]

He literally wasn’t camping + Wynn website + L mans

[snow swift]

You need to complete the game 100% though, all it does is it adds actual reason to do the challenge?

[upper mountain]

XD

[serene sun]

Api is legal tf?

[soft shard]

Me when I’m helping lvl a friends account but I just bring another class because I thought either of you would be a threat to the hunted class I was on???

[candid solstice]

I've completed HICH over 3 years ago, it's definitely gotten so much easier for the average player do not worry

[loud bobcat]

what else would you do with a hich class than park it at detlas after youre done

[upper mountain]

hic is easy, hunted is what makes it difficult cus kids use APi like cringe lords

[snow swift]

Difficulty aside, it adds reason and some more content.

[snow swift]

Yeah therefore we add this?

[candid solstice]

I would love more content as HICH is my playground

[soft shard]

I agree that the api is a bit too helpful for finding people but there are ways you can avoid updates which tell people what you’re doing

[candid solstice]

Just "making it easier" and "adding back the bank" completely invalidates what you worked for entirely

[upper mountain]

yeah but u shouldnt need to worry about that tbh

[loud bobcat]

just leave the class at detlas period Lol you are just asking to die if you keep playing

unless you are paladin of course

[candid solstice]

You can play on classes that arent paladin right chryssie

[snow swift]

Alright Nynnf, so what's the point of 100%ing without my suggestion, you just leave the account and you're like ''Well... what now? Again!'' Instead you can actually bare the fruits of your labor...

[candid solstice]

You just needed a brain

[snow swift]

That's not the point.

[soft shard]

I agree that you shouldn’t have to worry about it either but with the current state of hunted and with how the api works currently, it’s something we all have to live with

[candid solstice]

1 second

[serene sun]

What are these “fruits”

[snow swift]

This whole suggestion is meant to add REASON to do HCIH, therefore adding a new piece of content for players who never did it, LIKE ME AND TSEYII!

[loud bobcat]

would that not make you oneshottable by ga archers

[dim crescent]

just
get champion and petbank your stuff if you care THAT much

[quartz obsidian]

I love you Nyny

[soft shard]

The 120k lvl 70 bomb arrow in question:

[upper mountain]

yea true, but besides Salted said he will improve hunted. In fact, I have a really good idea for it. Instead of being able to get insta hit.. the first hit will put the player in combat that they have invicibility for 3 seconds. So it gives time for the other player to realize etc. More fair imo

[loud bobcat]

you are literally on an underlevelled paladin what

[snow swift]

Alright and you don't care about Wynn? I mean I can see that I guess, but I'm genuinely trying to improve the game, that doesn't require you to pay over 100+ dollars, this isn't catering to new players.

[soft shard]

That just defeats the entire purpose of jumping someone and the fast paced pvp the game currently has

[candid solstice]

My point being we all beat HICH not on warrior years ago

[loud bobcat]

that was before 2.0 yes

[upper mountain]

.. makes it more fair? how does that defeat the purpose lmao. Especially with the API bs, it will be much more balanced...

[dim crescent]

ok
wynn isnt all about the HICH challange
that is a side activity insane people do bc they have done everything else ion the game

[candid solstice]

The API just isn't that good

[upper mountain]

clearly it is that good if its bannable?

[snow swift]

I have a different thread I'll make, damage cap when fighting in hunted, haha!

[candid solstice]

Who told you the API is bannable

[serene sun]

its not tf?

[candid solstice]

https://wynncraft.com/stats/player/Nynnf?class=7487a0ea-7b71-4c52-a555-07dda4034e5c

[dim crescent]

api is not bannable lol

[quartz obsidian]

i love azap

[upper mountain]

My friend said he asked a Moderator in wynncraft and they said its bannable.. idk if its true but i doubt they lied

[candid solstice]

Click this link and get banned

[snow swift]

Well I did mostly everything and eventually people will get to that point bro, idk why you're so against it

[soft shard]

If anything I’d suggest something along the lines of the hit that combat tags you can’t kill you

[soft shard]

Which mod if you don’t mind me asking?

[serene sun]

https://tenor.com/view/jinki948-cat-shocked-shocked-face-shock-gif-22585372

[soft shard]

Also this thread is getting a tad bit out of hand so can we maybe take a small step back?

[upper mountain]

Can't confirm, I will ask my guild member when he's on though

[candid solstice]

How about an entire hunted rework.

[soft shard]

This would be a nice one

[upper mountain]

That will happen.. Salted said that im p sure

[dim crescent]

ok
99% of the people i know will never do that
just bc it is such a long grind and they have a life
hic(h) is something for nolives

[soft shard]

It’s coming !!! Just not until quite a bit after fruma…

[patent jewel]

Do we know when it's coming?

[upper mountain]

isn't that what I said? Once you hit a player they have 3 seconds to realize it and be in combat so can't logout etc. Makes the fights more fair

[candid solstice]

Eventually

[patent jewel]

Like before/after fruma

[serene sun]

post fruma

[candid solstice]

HICH guild revival 💪

[soft shard]

All salted said is that it’s after fruma and that it’ll happen eventually

[soft shard]

Real !!!

[patent jewel]

ah ok

[candid solstice]

I miss it 😔

[edgy crescent]

makes no sense, does the person that hits the player also get invincibility?

[patent jewel]

trying my best to not leak anything

[upper mountain]

no, obviously not.

[soft shard]

3 seconds is a really really really long time

[upper mountain]

.. HUH 3 seconds???

[soft shard]

Being able to tank the first hit no matter what is more than enough

[edgy crescent]

so they get 3 seconds to do free damafe

[upper mountain]

okay sure, that would also make it better.

[serene sun]

3 seconds in hunting is a lot

[candid solstice]

I just think theres a lot wrong with hunted and seeking change is fundamentally the right thing but this is not an aspect we need to focus in advocating for at the moment

[soft shard]

Most hunted interactions don’t even last 3 seconds

[snow swift]

Just add a damage cap, so you actually have a battle and not who tickles the other first.

So it's actually skill and movement and not lucky one shot wow ur dead gg :D !!!

[upper mountain]

Obviously not if u camp grind spots and spam meteor from a far place lol

whats the fun in that? don't u want a fair fight?

[soft shard]

Well if you don’t like the current state of pvp then just don’t play it

[edgy crescent]

damage cap could so easily be abused

[soft shard]

I have nothing else to say

[upper mountain]

nice mod 💀

[soft shard]

Also I think I killed either you or your friend outside of scrap after that

[dim crescent]

^^

[upper mountain]

encouraging other players not to play xd...

[soft shard]

I’m not encouraging you to not play the game

[upper mountain]

i still enjoy it, i just want some improvements to it

[dim crescent]

thats why im not doing hunted

[serene sun]

until it is fixed this does seem to be an effective solution

[soft shard]

I’m encouraging you to play the game in a way you enjoy

[upper mountain]

thats not how it sounded tho

[candid solstice]

We need to focus on making HICH more playable and more fair for the playerbase instead of suggesting rewarding aspects for completions

Rewarding completions gives people which much more experience much more advantage like bank storage access means players will kill you easier making it more difficult leading to more complaints

[soft shard]

Because forcing yourself to play hunted if you don’t like getting one tapped is certainly not the way to go

[upper mountain]

like i said .. its fun. I just want it to be better

[soft shard]

A lot of us in this thread want it to be better too

[upper mountain]

yeah

[edgy crescent]

I think all of us

[candid solstice]

There's not a single player here not wanting HICH to be a better gamemode

[snow swift]

I mean skill issue if you die, right? Salted should just make Hunted like I said with a damage cap then it'd work fine. So you don't get 1 shot when ur level 10.

[soft shard]

There’s at least 2 people in this thread with hich completions so I’m certain they would have at least some experience in this matter

[upper mountain]

im not trying to argue with anyone, im just making a suggestion that i think makes sense.. but obviously i dont expect the devs to take it or anything. im just trying to put my thoughts out there

[candid solstice]

If you understood game balancing adding a damage cap would ruin so many things and incentivise so much and make players play in 1 set in stone route

[soft shard]

If there’s a damage cap then that creates the problem of extremely tanky builds being literally unkillable no matter what

[serene sun]

indeed, perhaps we should ask those with more experience what their ideas are, instead of putting forth our own

[upper mountain]

well i think the best idea is the first hit doesn't count in a way, like puts u straight in combat but gives the other player a chance to react

[snow swift]

You still would do more damage but at higher levels. This is to balance you not getting 1 shot and actually having a fight with skill and abilities, then just 1 second and ur done.

[edgy crescent]

since your idea would solve everything, what do you suppose the damage cap should be for diffrent lvls

[soft shard]

Chryssie you have one right?

I know you do nynnf

[snow swift]

Also what does experience matter, it's logical - you simply see when you play HCIH for even like a couple of days.

[candid solstice]

This would make being a higher level player being much more unfair

[snow swift]

Wait huh?

[serene sun]

well perhaps you are unable to see multiple perspectives

[dim crescent]

we all played these gamemodes for months my friend

[soft shard]

I think the way it currently is fine (in the sense that the pvp interaction starts before anyone gets tagged)

[snow swift]

Tell me the multiple perspectives then?

[upper mountain]

I agree to disagree, but thats fine

[candid solstice]

What's up

[upper mountain]

im just saying what i think would be good, if u dont agree thats alr

[soft shard]

I do agree that every fight being a 1 tap is a bit questionable

[upper mountain]

then why would u keep it as is?

[snow swift]

Nah, simply not, it's just so boring, 1 tap and you're done, really? You want that for the game, you truly believe that's good? Imo that's a bit sad as a moderator, but we all have opinions that can be changed.

[candid solstice]

Because its strategic

[soft shard]

I would leave everything as is besides the whole 1 tap thing

[patent jewel]

I love getting oneshot so fast i don't even see who killed me

[snow swift]

Change is required for a game to scuceed.

[edgy crescent]

dude have you ever even played hich past like 30

[snow swift]

Anybody can acomplish this, doesn't take skill.

[candid solstice]

Oh that was me, my bad

[upper mountain]

not really though, u can camp kids whilst they do quests or grind xp without the chance for them to have a fair fight

[edgy crescent]

not you nynnf, the sohir guy

[soft shard]

I think letting you survive the first hit is plenty enough

[patent jewel]

it was you?

[serene sun]

we arent saying that, because that was not the main point of your thread

[patent jewel]

guh

[snow swift]

You know what does take skill? Actually using your skills and movement in the battle.

[upper mountain]

thats what im saying...

thats like the ideal scenario, its all i want

[candid solstice]

But your argument is "Higher level = more advantages" but that makes the game more unfair as you literally complain about 1 taps being unfair

[snow swift]

What does that matter, such irrelevant criticism...

[dim crescent]

just
dont be obvious
lol
thats the entire point

[candid solstice]

62, that one level 30 or something

[snow swift]

Bro isn't there a hunted level cap where u cant damage players if ur above a level?

[soft shard]

Well hich doesn’t actually start until you reach combat 29

[edgy crescent]

are you trolling

[soft shard]

And I won’t say exactly why but

If you know, you know

[patent jewel]

It was level like 35

smt around that

warrior

[upper mountain]

that is true, yeah

[serene sun]

💀

[soft shard]

That one was outside almuj iirc

[patent jewel]

i misclicked and enabled hunted

[candid solstice]

All I remember is running out of safe zone and killing you

[patent jewel]

yep

[snow swift]

Like I said it doesn't take a professional HCIH player to improve the game or to see it's problems.

[dim crescent]

you can only attack (and be attacked) by players with less than 10 levels of difference between you and them

[patent jewel]

right while i was leaving almuj

[snow swift]

So what is his argument? If you're higher level you'll do more damage and it adds variety of damage you CAN do in higher levels so if you make a BETTER set than ur higher opponent YOU will do more dmg... SIMPLE

[serene sun]

but it is strange when the professional hich players do not agree with you, is it not?

[snow swift]

They are all in a bubble of denial in my opinion.

[upper mountain]

Azap ur just a troll though, i dont think u care about the opinions ur just being toxic which is like not cool

[edgy crescent]

but it takes one who understands the gamemode

[soft shard]

Hich starts getting real around 50 which is when you either get hunted through hell and back and die, or when you learn to avoid people

[snow swift]

Exactly this

[candid solstice]

You see as someone who likes game design and niche playstyles and has far too much playtime and experience with hich and trying to see your opinion that is completely unfair to players with less experience

You cant just do that to new players

[snow swift]

But to even start HCIH you need to be more experienced, no?

[soft shard]

I’m willing to bet lots and lots of le and real world money that Azap has experience

[upper mountain]

Like saying "xxx looking ass" is toxic and irrelevant to this thread, you need to stop tbh. & the mod you shouldnt allow this behaviour tbh

[serene sun]

damn fr? thats crazy

[snow swift]

This is meant as that part of content that is for LATER bro, not for ok first day let's go to HCIH!!!!

[serene sun]

perhaps when you complete hich you will change your mind

[soft shard]

Ngl it is starting to get out of hand again so

[snow swift]

How will completing HCIH change my mind?

[upper mountain]

Yeah

[candid solstice]

This is practically what i mean though

[snow swift]

I don't doubt that but he is just acting weird.

[dim crescent]

honestly
if you click ironman when making your class it should be clear that you will neven ever be able to access any bank or trade with any player
that is the entire point of ironman
if you dont like it
just
dont play it

[candid solstice]

Let me explain again

[upper mountain]

This is not the environment new players want to see, I would suggest closing this thread or getting it to a civil state.

[snow swift]

It's meant to act as an improvement and new players can start it, some gamers are really talented you know?

[edgy crescent]

completing hunters calling does not indicate experience in any kind of pvp or hic gameplay

[snow swift]

Saying it ''wouldn't be fair to new players'' like it's some devastating thing, most new players wont even be focused on that.

[serene sun]

different level ranges have very different experiences, if all you have experienced of hich is low level, it doesnt give the full perspective

[candid solstice]

Being level 11 vs a lvl 1 new player, it is not fair to have a new added bonus against this player that is decided by just being physically higher

The lvl 1 player already has the underdog aspect do you need to ruin their time more?

[snow swift]

I'm confused

[soft shard]

Pvp is something that has to be very intricately balanced or else it just doesn’t work out

[upper mountain]

For sure

[soft shard]

The current state of hunted is that you have to think “if I were a hunter, where would I be”

[upper mountain]

its not easy to make it balanced, i understand that

[soft shard]

And the second you fumble that thought, you die

[snow swift]

It's a very simple answer, ANYWAYS, Salted will make changes to hunted, we'll see what it is haha

[soft shard]

(That being if there is someone who is actively hunting you)

[edgy crescent]

I really hope he doesnt take advice from lvl 20 hunted players

[candid solstice]

I think the current state of hunted is: Don't play hunted.

[snow swift]

You can always start with tests though, like capping your damage for when you are playing hunted so it's balanced and not one shot.

[soft shard]

Real

[snow swift]

And you want the game to be like that, good community.

[candid solstice]

Never did I imply i want pvp like that

[soft shard]

I mean ngl he’s the most experienced here

[edgy crescent]

dumbass he said current state

[candid solstice]

PVP is too easy. PVP is too hard. theres no exact balance to it at all

[snow swift]

I know, but he's seeming to not want change, like all of you here, you can add your criticism or even your own opinion on how to change the PVP, but saying ''just don't play'' or ''let's just keep it like that'' isn't helping.

[soft shard]

If pvp only starts when the person gets combat tagged then there’s no real strategy to it

[snow swift]

I truly love Wynn and want it to succeed and if the devs reading this think it's a bad suggestion - then be it, I'm just trying to make a suggestion to the devs at the end of the day.

[candid solstice]

I want pvp to change but I dont want these changes to be incomplete or dogshit like its current circumstance

[edgy crescent]

neither are you though, salted will make changes off of discussion wjth experienced players and his own discresion

[snow swift]

You're right, then it's only: Mechanical skill, actual usage of combos, e.t.c

[soft shard]

Hunted in it’s current state is not the worst it could be

[upper mountain]

how so? isn't a great ordeal of it getting an optimized set for hunted and using skill to fight one another?

[candid solstice]

I say don't play pvp because its truly not worth playing genuinely, it's unfair, it needs polishing and I just don't think people should waste their time playing it

[upper mountain]

there still is strategy to it, I wouldn't saying using the API and then camping them is "strategy"

[snow swift]

You're so obsessed with experienced players that if I was experienced and said this you'd probably gobble it up like a pigeon eating bread on the street huh?

[candid solstice]

I love pvp I play it everytime im online

[soft shard]

Ngl 80% of hunters don’t even use api idk why you’re so hung up on that

[snow swift]

When you win it's never bad.

[upper mountain]

by your logic, 20% is still high..

[snow swift]

Sure, but it's a game of hide and seek, who finds who first, so fun!!!!!!!

[soft shard]

You’re assuming there’s more than 5 hunters

[dim crescent]

fyi: there is not

at least not until 105

[candid solstice]

So your argument is "I want rewards for more experienced completioned players" but the experienced players are telling you this is a bad idea because it creates no sense of fighting and it makes pvp even less inbalanced

[upper mountain]

but if 20% do use it and there's only 5 hunters (Which is not true) then 1 still uses it

[soft shard]

Name more than 5 hich hunters

Anyways step back again please

[edgy crescent]

but you wouldnt be saying what you are if you were an experienced player?

[soft shard]

Before this gets out of hand like it did before

[snow swift]

Alright it's fine, that's so irrelevant to the topic, he's just stating it's an issue, but the real question is in the thread.

[patent jewel]

The thing about enabling the bank for completing hich?

[upper mountain]

I'm not being toxic or rude? Why would I take a "step back"

im having a civil convo

[soft shard]

Considering you haven’t been sending messages the past few minutes, do you think that one was directed at you?

[snow swift]

Yeah I would, also I am experienced, not in HCIH though as much, even though it isn't that much of a game changer is it now.

[soft shard]

Besides the api stuff

[upper mountain]

I sent a message a min before u said that though? no?

so i didnt know who it was directed at

[edgy crescent]

🤣

[soft shard]

Sorry should’ve specified more

Anyways it’s more of a thing at everyone in this thread

[snow swift]

People say I'm coping when these people just want to be stuck in the past.

[upper mountain]

Look the only idea im putting forward here is the first hit not to count, gives more of a chance for the other player to react. Especially how in lower levels its so ez to get 1 tapped

[snow swift]

If you don't like this change, make a suggestion countering mine that isn't just ''don't play this gamemode because no change bad change pew pew''

[soft shard]

People say your coping because you aren’t used to hunted yet and want to make changes

[quartz obsidian]

this shits still going lol

[candid solstice]

With the changes you want you ruin the game for people just regularly using the stat page, you ruin pvp level ranges. I do agree with your extrinsic rewards NOT being physical benefits like bank usage BUT I agree with wanting new changes like cosmetics for completion like player skins or effects

[snow swift]

I have a hunted class and I know hunted fully, what is your point?

[quartz obsidian]

you know hunted? name every hunted player

[upper mountain]

tbf we both have lvl 100+ hunted char

[edgy crescent]

you agree with opening bank?

[candid solstice]

No

[snow swift]

Wdym '' for people just regularly using the stat page, you ruin pvp level ranges'' it's not ruining, it's balancing so it's an actual FIGHT WITH THE WYNN MECHANICS?

[upper mountain]

^^

[soft shard]

My point is that I personally don’t believe you are adequately experienced to be suggesting large changes targeted at people that you aren’t a part of

[snow swift]

Alright, so you're saying my suggestion is completely illogical and dog shit even though I think you don't need to be Einstein to agree with me.

[upper mountain]

what is the point of PvP if its basically just camping someone doing a quest and then 1 tapping them? There's no fighting element to it

[candid solstice]

Let's use wynns mechanics and you fight me but i'll be using guardian angels

[soft shard]

Ngl I’ve been hunted a lot and when I die, I can appreciate that the person who killed me had a good jump

I know that usually when I die it’s on me

[snow swift]

I respect all of your opinions but at this point change hunted from a pvp gamemode to a hide and seek, good night.

[snow swift]

So? Ever heard of movement spells.

[patent jewel]

Is this a hunted argument

[candid solstice]

Hunted is literally already a hide and seek game my guy.

[soft shard]

Turning into one

[upper mountain]

tbf it is more of a hide and seek atm than PvP? PvP entails them to fight each other and if u get one tapped from a camper its not fighting...

[candid solstice]

It needs balance that's what we are all saying.

[snow swift]

If it's a hide and seek game then shouldn't be what it's intended to be, pvp with the wynn mechanics?

[soft shard]

It’s not like the person jumping you will kill you 100% of the time btw

[dim crescent]

it has been since the beginning

[patent jewel]

I think when hunted gets reworked we should start suggesting changes

[upper mountain]

like sure its the whole aspect of "Hunted@ being required to be careful, but at the same time there's no PvP element to it if you get 1 tapped

[soft shard]

Magic didn’t you get jumped like 3 different times on that warrior before you died?

[snow swift]

Oh so and that's good, let's keep it like that guys, wrap it up!

[soft shard]

If you’re complaining about hunted currently you’d be begging for a change in 1.19

[candid solstice]

Fight me with my wynn mechanics (Surprising strike 120+% damage vanish) (My consumables) (My +10 level class from you)

[edgy crescent]

stop typing its past your bedtime

[soft shard]

Everything was literally if you get seen you die

[iron haven]

I've 100% 2 warriors on HIC. Why? Because I find it fun. Do you play the game because you want to flex? That's sad! I play it for fun and HIC is fun! That's why I've done it twice! That's why I have another 3 in progress!

[upper mountain]

and thats PvP?

its more like Player vs someone who didnt get chance to react lol

[snow swift]

I already said a change, add a damage cap based on your level so you have a thorough fight with the mechanics of wynn and not just insta dead who sees who first, and sure it might not be 100% of the times u die but still

[candid solstice]

This is unfair!

[dim crescent]

hunted needs changes, yes
salted said it will be changed
i am not experienced enough to suggest what should be changed

[soft shard]

2.0 pvp is significantly more varied and fair in comparison to 1.19

[edgy crescent]

we all agreed that opening a class up on completion was an awful idea, correct

[snow swift]

To who, it's a balance made to be fair to everybody?

[soft shard]

1.19 was either you played toxo or some sort of assassin hunted build (specifically weath )

[candid solstice]

I'm done. bye.

[snow swift]

idk what ur saying?

[patent jewel]

Anyway the original point of this thread was suggesting that fully completed HICH classes should get access to the bank and trade market. I think this is a terrible idea because it kind of takes the point out of the gamemode and would provide a huge advantage to anyone who completed a class before a major update and bought things before the class is no longer considered 100%

[upper mountain]

I'm glad toxo isn't meta anymore

like it got nerfed, which is good

[snow swift]

What's the point of the gamemode, to spent 50+ hours completing it and then saying alright... time to go back to clicking a tower for 2 hours or wait... let me go endlessly run around the wynn map opening chests.

[candid solstice]

suggests unfair feature says its balanced gets confused who its unfair to

[iron haven]

The reason someone would play HIC isn't to do something on the side while they level profs, it's either:

1. To accomplish the hardest challenge ingame
   Or 2. Because they find it fun

[snow swift]

I'm looking for long term.

[snow swift]

How's the feature unfair?

[candid solstice]

Yes my point

[candid solstice]

You suggested higher damage outputs for higher classes making pvp ranges completely even moreUNFAIR.

[soft shard]

I think I can speak from experience that pvp is far from balanced but it’s not completely impossible to play

[iron haven]

Also, as someone who has had 3 hardcore classes 105, let me tell you how much i played them:

None

[upper mountain]

tell me about uur Lari essay

[iron haven]

Because they might die

[soft shard]

I think linny is the only person who plays endgame hic/hich

[snow swift]

That is a man made challenge, the point was made by the people who made it, we can always change the point to make it more fun.

[candid solstice]

🫠 😭

[snow swift]

I'd still do it even though it's pointless yes. But some people don't, and I'm trying to make those people do that, all it does is add REASON. Not everybody finds it fun.

[soft shard]

Nynnf you’re not endgame yet

You’re 87

[candid solstice]

I just want cute little cosmetics for completing challenge modes

[soft shard]

This

This please

[upper mountain]

cosmetics would be cool for completing it

[soft shard]

What I said at the start of this thread, what I’ve made threads on in the past

[snow swift]

[iron haven]

If not everybody finds it fun, those people don't have to play it!

[snow swift]

Agreed.

[candid solstice]

I'm 120 all profs

[iron haven]

Theres a reason more 1690 completions have been made than HIC completions

[candid solstice]

agreed

[snow swift]

But we can make them play it by adding a reason...............

[upper mountain]

but surely it should be more attractive to other players? so more players keep playing the game

[patent jewel]

I had no idea nynnf was that old

[edgy crescent]

why are people still arguing with this guy 💀

[soft shard]

I’m going to tell you with total honesty that if I complete a hich there is no way im playing that 1 more minute after I comp

[snow swift]

My brain cannot comprehend like this is a bad thing.

[soft shard]

Yea but I don’t see you being triple digit combat !!!!!!!

[candid solstice]

I'm sorry for not telling you 🧓

[dim crescent]

cosmetic badges if you do complete it
end
good night

[candid solstice]

Next ingredient update

[snow swift]

How are you saying that like you're proud?

[soft shard]

Hich isn’t about the comp it’s about the journey

Unless you’re nynnf

[edgy crescent]

he hasnt made a decent point in 30 minutes holy shit

[soft shard]

Or going for 5/5

[snow swift]

How is that fun? Wasted all this time just to say, ''look guys I've done it''

[dim crescent]

this

[dim crescent]

yea basically

[patent jewel]

This is like any hard challenge in any game

[soft shard]

You’ll start to understand that around attempt 15 at hich

[snow swift]

I agree 100%, but the journey can be improved and actually have more satisfaction and reason.

[candid solstice]

Have you even been on holiday or achieved something you cared deeply about that you worked hard for

[iron haven]

Another thing: this invalidates all future content. Good luck with fruma when you have access to your bank

[snow swift]

Reason for people to get into gathering.

[soft shard]

The only satisfaction I need is a few fireworks every 30 minutes

[iron haven]

No, i do it because "that was fun"

[snow swift]

Wait can you explain, I'm confused.

[soft shard]

And I bet it’s the same way for most hic(h) players

[candid solstice]

I hear mine once every 40 hours 💀

[soft shard]

4% per set

[snow swift]

Fair enough but people want more content to the game.

[candid solstice]

Theres nothing more satisfying then working hard on something you deem impressive

[loud bobcat]

i dont really see what having access to your main bank would do for your completed hich class

[patent jewel]

I don't think giving access to the bank is considered more content

[dim crescent]

lets say you can access bank now
you grab a bunch of stuff from your bank
fruma releases tomorrow
balance

[snow swift]

You can sell your ingredients?

[edgy crescent]

whos "people"

[soft shard]

The content of hich is the process of completing it

[loud bobcat]

idk man just buy champion

[patent jewel]

if you want to sell things make a regular class

[candid solstice]

What I want is a challenge mode where you can use a bank and misc bucket

[snow swift]

Instead of fixing the issue let's spend money woo hooo

[candid solstice]

Ironman same exact rules just has a bank and misc bucket.

[loud bobcat]

also out of everything you could transfer you chose ingredients? you have like at least half a stx after you beat hic

[snow swift]

That's not as fun as beating HCIH which requires you to actually gather and craft, but all good, fuck change.

[soft shard]

Like personal bank/misc bucket?

[edgy crescent]

or like a personal bank

[candid solstice]

Yep

[loud bobcat]

i mean its a very small issue lol

[snow swift]

You all think you love wynncraft but don't want to improve it, I'm done arguing, sheep minded people, we'll see what the devs do, go make some suggestions, also no hate.

[soft shard]

I think you’re just unhappy that people are speaking from experience instead of instantly agreeing with you

[loud bobcat]

if you choose to play normal ironman (not hic) you would not be able to transfer the le you got either

[edgy crescent]

actually leave this time please

[candid solstice]

OK

[soft shard]

Point proven

[iron haven]

The WHOLE challenge in HIC is doing it without trading or your bank. All content after you reach the current "max" would be illegitimate because you had time to access your bank and make the most op set ever without doing it yourself. Imagine how easy Linnyflower would have getting 1690 if she wasn't on Ironman anymore.

Unless you count getting max level as "100% completion" lol

[candid solstice]

We are all wynn loving players who want change, just not your changes

[upper mountain]

well, i think ppl were toxic to him to begin with instead of trying to understand. So i think ur blaming the wrong person

[loud bobcat]

again having access to bank after hic completion doesnt really do anything

the champion pet thing is a separate issue

[patent jewel]

Imagine needing to buy champion for that silly pet bug

i wonder if my pets will get put back to level 20 if i lose mod rank

[loud bobcat]

i think some people were being quite hostile but i dont think OP was correct either

[iron haven]

Even if it's max level, it still invalidates all future max levels

[edgy crescent]

maybe let it be for lvl 20 pets, or VIP can lvl up to 28

[upper mountain]

even so, doesn't mean ppl should be toxic just because they disagree

[loud bobcat]

yeah

[edgy crescent]

no clue why you are defending him, he was being more toxic then any of us ino

[candid solstice]

I was just being negative towards them because they were suggesting to make the game more unfair despite wanting to improve it

[patent jewel]

I am tempted to lock this thread since it has become a pointless argument

[candid solstice]

Do it

[edgy crescent]

yeah

[upper mountain]

i personally don't think he was toxic, and obviously a person gets infuriated once others are toxic to them

[loud bobcat]

there was no need to antagonize him while explaining why he was wrong

[upper mountain]

so again, blaming the wrong person

[edgy crescent]

same for us?

[candid solstice]

I don't necessarily think i was being hostile or angry they were just putting words in my mouth

[upper mountain]

I'm not talking about you though

Azap was the person in particular that was toxic

[candid solstice]

Ah I was just arguing the entire time so

alright

[upper mountain]

yea and thats fair, i dont see anything wrong with what u said

[serene sun]

my condolences

[edgy crescent]

lmao

[candid solstice]

Azap about to drop the most toxic lines out here

[edgy crescent]

didnt include me 😭

[lone blade]

I just read through everything

[serene sun]

i have not said anything in like 30 mins so idk why you are trying to pull me back into this but ok

[edgy crescent]

whats the conclusion

[patent jewel]

there is none

anyway i think this thread can go byebye now

[candid solstice]

HICH needs changes

[upper mountain]

the conclusion: ignore the thread XD

[lone blade]

And like. The pvp system is god awful. The friend system is awful. And as long those 2 dont get changed, Hunted will forever be super boring unless youre a maniac

[candid solstice]

Yeah tbh

[patent jewel]

this is a conclusion

indeed

[edgy crescent]

I meant specufically xaes conclusion fron reading

CLOSE IT

[patent jewel]

alright

[candid solstice]

cya guys ☮️

[lone blade]

Did the OP even understand that its game over if you die once

[edgy crescent]

🫡

[serene sun]

they fixed friend system