Mythic item lore and unique skin

[coarse horizon]

Mythic weapons, which are supposed to the the best weapons in the game look just like regular weapons with just a different box color which is bad enough, but a huge chunk of mythics don't even have lore to them (cough cough reliks cough).
It would help add more uniqueness and feel a lot better using them if each one had a unique skin and lore to them.
(If the skins are too much then at least the lore please)

[wild sluice]

istg the ct are too lazy to do it since its "meaningless" , smh just do community lore to items event

[dry drift]

♻️ but good idea

[covert spoke]

Can someone rich enough commission Kiocifer to make the rest of the mythic models

He's part of the CT so if we ask Salted to shift the models to Mythics after they're done he might consider making them canon

[dry drift]

???xd

[covert spoke]

?

[dry drift]

you tryna have skins for the mythic items

[covert spoke]

Did you read the thread title

[dry drift]

ah no i stopped with item lore cuz thats alr good enough for me to like

[covert spoke]

(Kiocifer made a bunch of skins for Mythics and since he's a CT it technically makes them half-canon)

[dry drift]

i mean its a good idea but why take skins that already existed

[covert spoke]

Wdym

[dry drift]

the ones u have in the picture, aren't those event skins

[wild sluice]

some headcanon lores for some of the reliks:
Hadal: treasure expedition from the depths of the ocean wielded the relik from the deepest known point in the ocean (hadal zone = below -4k meters, almost allways in the trenches)
aftershock: piece from TCC that countains its earthquaking rage
fantasia: Makes you high af that also boost you like some wierd fantasy
toxo: ritualist weap from olmic civilazation that got corrupted into its acidity in the toxic wastes

[covert spoke]

Kiocifer originally made them for Mythics though

[dry drift]

yea ok but now u cant use them for mythics

[covert spoke]

These three are the only ones I see that are from events

And I'm pretty sure the trident literally has "IDOL" in Wynnic written on it

[dry drift]

wrong

[covert spoke]

Oh and I guess the Decay wand too

[dry drift]

p sure some of the bottom ones are too, but the decay wand im sure about

[covert spoke]

Eh, I don't remember

I know Grimtrap is severely outdated in quality
And Cata's definitely not in

[wild sluice]

nobody gonna say smth about my mythic relik lore

[dry drift]

left picture, did you mean to take the left one too?

[covert spoke]

I think Weathered is the Driftwood dagger without the seaweed?

[dry drift]

no

[covert spoke]

No

[dry drift]

but its also from an event, just recolored

[covert spoke]

I don't recognize the Air Spear tbh

[dry drift]

seraphim spear?? xd

[covert spoke]

Oh wait Seraphim
Right

Anyways point is that they were originally meant to be mythics
So why not just put them on mythics lol

[dry drift]

anyway you cant use those skins for mythics anymore, but in general it'd be a great idea to give mythics skins

[vivid geyser]

grimtrap has 4 different models for when you cast the 4 spells respectively
i have no clue how kio did it its super impressive

[covert spoke]

What's wrong with having gear skins on very specific items

[covert spoke]

It's just optifine's feature of having each named item be a unique model

The name of the weapon changes when you cast spells

[vivid geyser]

i know
but wynn nbt is super weird
THE NAME OF THE WEAPON IS NOT THE ACTUAL NAME IN ITS NBT.
i tried so hard to figure out why and how its like that

[dry drift]

nothing, its a good idea as i said, just not with skins existing for ANY WEAPON and ANY PLAYER as well as skins that are not known for being those mythics

[sage niche]

other way round

[dry drift]

doesnt matter, now they're event skins

[sage niche]

kio made them for custom mythic models first, then they became event skins

[covert spoke]

Can you take a look at the name of the item in your inventory the next time you cast a spell

The name legit changes for a second or two

[vivid geyser]

i. know.

[covert spoke]

Yes
And that's how he does it

It just checks for the display name

[vivid geyser]

i tried for 3 days straight trust me
even kio himself doesnt know how it works rn

lemme grab the .properties rq

[covert spoke]

I've literally seen the optifine files in Kio's pack that's all there is to it

Hell, I'm pretty sure I even fixed the file for him when Grimtrap's model change wasn't working

One moment I'll go grab the convo

[vivid geyser]

hmmm

[covert spoke]

Found it
#🌎wynncraft message
Read down from here

Kio basically formatted it wrongly

[vivid geyser]

oh
well shit

still i swear to god i used nbt.display.Name=[spell] spell cast. or something like that but it just didn't work

[covert spoke]

Lmao

I had 0 experience and solve it in like 5 minutes with some experimentation

[vivid geyser]

ok i suppose i have like -1 experience

and now i cant figure out how to get my models into 1.19.4

[little sparrow]

isnt there a forum thread with heaps of fanmade item lores

[vivid geyser]

yeah but they're fanmade

[tame jackal]

where do I get the skin for cata down in the bottem

[covert spoke]

Kio pack

Forums
Search

[rain flame]

Some of them (driftwood spear) are the canonical appearances of the weapons

[dry drift]

yea alright but u cant just have them as mythic skins now and then also as event skins xd (considering the idea of this post)

[vivid geyser]

this is just an entire kiocifer model discussion club
lmfao

[covert spoke]

Why not

What’s wrong with having a single item in-game be also a model that you can get and apply on others

It’s not like instantly getting an Idol means that you can use the Driftwood Model on every other weapon

It’s just the Idol
That’s what makes the mythic even more unique

Because it’s a mythic

[coarse horizon]

mythic weapons should have unique skins to them

the main reason i want skins on mythics is so that you can instantly recognize a mythic someone is using

having a skin that can be applied to any weapon being used on a mythic would just make said mythic lose its uniqueness

[dry drift]

Cuz every bozo will walk around with a random spear looking like idol, thats my issue with it. If you implement those seperate skins at least make them flexable.

[covert spoke]

I mean
No one's stopping you from applying a gear skin onto the Idol

[dry drift]

That's besides the point though

[covert spoke]

Also wdym "every bozo" how many people do you think use the gear skin

[dry drift]

Everyone that has that skin can use itwhenever they want

[dry drift]

make them unique as said here

[covert spoke]

And?
That's how gear skins work

It's just now that one model is tied to an actual item

It's just slightly less unique now because you can use some of the models on other items

Which is precisely what people are already doing anyway, just not with the mythic model existing on the mythic by default

[dry drift]

Exactly, that's how gear skins work. But you still haven't named one argument for why it'd be good to have those "unique mythic skins" usable on every other weapon
Even the title says unique, but them being available on any weapon would kinda ruin it being unique

[covert spoke]

The only reason why I'm fine with that is because it's already in the game
Otherwise I would probably lean more towards not making newer gear skins from mythic models

But the current situation isn't that bad either, now that some of the models are already in-game as gear skins

[dry drift]

Or why not just make newer ones anyway (Not to say that those skins all look awesome and i love using them, but it'd just be fked up)

[covert spoke]

Okay
How would you propose Idol be changed

That model is already kind of the canonical appearance of the spear

Or, like, Kiocifer-level of canon, whatever that may be

[dry drift]

That's the problem we're facing, yea

[covert spoke]

So far the only actual issue I see here is this idea making mythics less unique in appearance

I mean, it's way better than the default models they currently use anyway

[dry drift]

And that you could never identify a mythic by seeing the skin

[covert spoke]

What do you mean

[dry drift]

It could be any other weapon. You wouldn't know it's idol cuz players can just put that same skin on hero

[covert spoke]

Well, if that was an option (which it is, in the current situation) then it's the player's choice on whether they want an Idol skin on a Hero

Also hold on a minute before I go too off-track I just want to make sure

The original idea was to simply just give mythics new default custom models right?

Since the current ones are literally just the elemental models

[dry drift]

Ok but I want to be able to see other people's idol when u implement a unique skin, not a random mythic.
I also want to be able to have other peoples know (ok i dont actually care about that stuff, but most others will) that I have a certain mythic just by looking at the skin

Like the idea is to have those skins show that it's THAT specific mythic

[covert spoke]

This idea may not make mythics as unique-looking as you want them to be, but it doesn't make mythics any less unique than they are already portrayed to be in-game

I would say it's a good step forward in unique-ness regardless

[dry drift]

Ok but why implement an improper half change

That'd just cause too much ruckus when you'd change them in the future

[covert spoke]

Would the other mentioned half of the change involve changing the already existing gear skins or something

[dry drift]

No, it's a half change cuz it 1. will be reverted when there's actual unique skins and 2. it would not be proper unique skins in the first place

or wdym alr existing gear skins? like the idol one

[covert spoke]

1. will be reverted when there's actual unique skins
   As in, the mythic's models will be reverted back to normal?

[dry drift]

Not back to normal, they will just be made unique. Like actually unique, so that those mythics can actually be seen from a mile away as THAT MYTHIC

[covert spoke]

Without the option of applying a mythic model onto another weapon?

[dry drift]

yes

[covert spoke]

But what if you want to
I would assume the mythic models are cool models

People would want to apply like, let's say the cool Feather Hero onto an Idol for example

[dry drift]

You're not supposed to, use other skins

Use a texture pack if that specific model is infinitely important to you

[covert spoke]

You're not supposed to
You make it sound like this is like, the law or smth
That mythic customization are just supposed to be untouchable or smth lol

I get that they're these really unique powerful items but there isn't anything inherently wrong with the choice of using their appearances in an otherwise non-canonical context

[dry drift]

The mythic skins are supposed to be UNIQUE do you even understand that term. Like that skin is supposed to show this and only this mythic

[covert spoke]

I mean, that is less of "supposed to" and more of what your image of how you want mythics to be is

And while I do know a thing or two about making game elements appear more unique to the player I also do appreciate giving players a degree of customization choices when such an aspect of the game already exists as such

The ability to apply any gear skin to any weapon, for example would be cool if we can apply any gear skin to any class weapon though

And while in the context of mythics here,

[dry drift]

You already have the option to make them customizable. I'm not saying those mythics shouldn't be able to use other weapon skins. Just that other weapons shouldn'T be able to use that mythics skin

And you already can't apply ANY GEAR SKIN to ANY WEAPON.

[covert spoke]

I know exactly what you mean by that

[dry drift]

And you even said it yourself, because inherently you know it makes more sense

[covert spoke]

And I see no problem with it, even if that option wasn't already in the game and they decided to give players that freedom post-custom mythic models

I feel like the fact that the mythics' default appearance are said custom models make them unique enough

[dry drift]

But they aren't unique at all when all of the weapons look like them In the end it would just invalidate the crates / events skins because every player can just have them now

[covert spoke]

If you want to apply the cool mythic model to other items, then go ahead I'm fine with the idea

(Implicitly) restricting that freedom by making mythics an exception to every other customization is kinda e tbh

[covert spoke]

Only if you have that mythic
In which case cool you have that model for the weapon

[dry drift]

You wouldn't have it as gear skin in the first place
Cuz they aren't gear skins. just like the base skins aren't skins you can get for example

[covert spoke]

Yeah but it is
Which is why we are having this convo in the first place

[dry drift]

Which is the exact problem I've been talking about, for them to need new skins now

[covert spoke]

So we are trying to work around this issue

[dry drift]

There is no work around

[covert spoke]

Or rather, "issue" in quotes

because I don't see this as a real issue at all

Anyways it might help if we get some second opinion on this
Helps the discussion, anyway

[dry drift]

Like the other people that already agreed with me, or the title of the thread

[covert spoke]

You mean Pxyie?

Yeah but Pxyie wasn't aware of some of the gear skins already being canonical mythic appearances

[dry drift]

Why do you think that? Also, the opinion pxyie posted has nothing to do with that whatsoever

[covert spoke]

Oh
Then who were you referring to

[dry drift]

Just states, exactly like me and probably most others, that those respective mythic skins should actually be UNIQUE

[dry drift]

Pxyie ofc, but why do you think pxyie didn't know about them being canonical?

[covert spoke]

Idk they never mentioned it

@coarse horizon Did you know that some of the mythic models were already gear skins when writing this post?

[dry drift]

Cuz it doesnt matter to anyone, besides you for some reason xd ofc its not mentioned

[covert spoke]

I feel like that fact is relevant

especially since their existence is kinda the focal point of our discussion here

[dry drift]

What has the opinion of having UNIQUE SKINS for mythics to do with "well but their canonical skins are already gear skins now"

[covert spoke]

...me?

There's a reason why I made that image above us in the first place

I laid them all out because I too wanted those skins to be used as defaults for mythics

[dry drift]

And the only thing we're discussing is the fact that you don't want those mythics to be actually unique in the first place because you think their models would look cool / look cool

[covert spoke]

Pxyie isn't the first one to propose the idea, you know

[dry drift]

Yes, i know, this post has been made before

[covert spoke]

The unique part in my eyes is that they use said models as defaults

The unique part in your eyes is that they use said models as defaults and that only they being able to use said models

I was okay with the idea of having the models be usable in other items if the CT ever decides it to be the case for mythics

That's the main difference between our two opinions at the moment

[covert spoke]

I'm not saying I'm actively supporting this idea, but I am fine if it happens

I'll just be happy if the mythics themselves used their custom models for their defaults

[dry drift]

The main difference between our opinions is simple, yes, you could care less about unique skins being unique you just want THOSE skins applied to the weapons
and I want unique skins

[covert spoke]

Okay

But at least we are in agreement of the actual thread idea

Only issue is that Kiocifer would kinda have to spend some time making the others though

Trashing outdated Grimtrap and quality-dubious Pure here he needs to do like 25 new models of the same detail consistency as the ones existing

Actually on hindsight Pure is fine
24 then

Wait I am terrible at counting
27

[dry drift]

i mean personally i dont give half a shit for how long it would take to implement. i rather have a change well done and never get to experience it while i myself am still on wynn than a rushed half term solution for amusement

i rather wait 5 years for a good change than 2 months for a change

[coarse horizon]

i didnt know but i dont think it changes the point of my post either way

[covert spoke]

Mhm