Upgrading Gathering tools

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So we all know how you gotta buy gathering tools every 15 levels, but if you ever played HIC/H or just proffed on Ironman or even just proffing on a normal class but you dont want to prof on a different class ever again, You probably throw away the tools after you unlocked new ones, right?

Well, why dont we get some of way of instead of getting new tools, we upgrade our current ones to the next Tier?

We can have both in Tool Merchants and Dungeon Shops the option to use our tools to purchase the next tier in a reduced price, the discount will be for example if a tool costs 1 LE and the next tier costs 1 LE and 32 EB, to upgrade the tool that costed 1 LE you will only have to pay the 32 EB. And fragment wise it will cost half the fragment cost the only exception being T2 -> T3 costing the full fragment cost due to previous tool costing like 12 emeralds and also in T3 there is no making the fragment price half due to it being 1 fragment per tool so...

[harsh bloom]

I like this suggestion especially since throwing away old tools is annoying. Also I feel like this would be good for Ironman craftsman because you will never be going back to old tools unless you throw urs out. In saying that I don't think they should go out of their way to create this because it's not that impactful compared to some other stuff

[indigo echo]

i never threw away a gathering tool above t2. also the upgrade kinda doesnt make sense as you basically always upgrade the tool. cuzyou need to have used the tools before first to even be able to use the ones after

[harsh bloom]

It's useful for Ironman craftsman because what's the use of old tools. At least non Ironman u can store them and will be useful for alts

[indigo echo]

i see what u mean that on main classes u keep em and on ironman ud rather upgrade them

[brittle ice]

This would be a cool feature if they kept the current method of getting higher-tiered tools as well. Like ppl brought up before, I save all the tiers of tools I have for reuse on different classes

[indigo echo]

yea

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Yeah I also save em, but the two things that made me suggest this is new players, which was because I have a friend who I have been talking to basically every day for the past 3 months playing wynn and he is getting into profs now, and also ironman reasons because I have been trying to beat HIC/H for the past 9 months now or something, and it hurts to throw away previous tools especially when they start costing emeralds

[indigo echo]

i mean u should rlly not have cost problems on HICH xd

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that's not the problem but it's kinda dumb to just waste emeralds like that and also the fragments, like why did I work so hard just to get those tools and threw them away after like 2 hours

[indigo echo]

ur saying it as if u didnt get anything out of the tools tho

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ok imagine in the future when we get more levels to profs(fruma perhaps?) you do Eldritch Outlook like 9 times to just get the tools because you can't buy them or trade em, and then you take like 6 hours max and then you throw them away because it was replaced by more tools

[indigo echo]

ahh so you take 6 hours to get from 105 to 115

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not really

[indigo echo]

🤯 and even if, u still need to upgrade them regardless

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but like that was an example(and who knows it might get reduced due to being too grindy at those levels)

[indigo echo]

its not too grindy

especially not once 120s gets a new tier of mats

• keep in mind u never need to go higher than 103 // 110

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My point in this suggestion is just 'have this option if people want to upgrade their tools in like half price instead of full price' kinda thing

[indigo echo]

yea but that would be the main progression then, its not gonna be a niche thing. because you always will end up having the lower tier tools xd

so you'd always end up upgrading unless u plan on doing multiple classes

however im not against it

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its more of a qol thing and also is useful in ironman which turns out a lot of people play suprisingly\

wynn could also revamp how tools work completely and actually implement this as the "progression" in profs and maybe add like tool enchants or something that carry over when using this

but eh

listen what I typed was not exactly how wynn would probably do it and if it ever becomes a thing I doubt it's gonna work like that

[indigo echo]

tool enchants
however they could just remove the idea of upgrading tools completely and just make them as strong as their user

id like that much more, it would also get rid of the need of going back to bank all the time

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I guess but I doubt that'll happen

[indigo echo]

if u go by that logic then making a post is usually automatically a bad idea

[brittle ice]

I mean the two suggestions don't seem equal. OP's is pretty reasonable, doesn't break gameplay or even require that much dev time to bring into existence. Your's (while also a good suggestion, I would support it) is reworking the current tool system entirely, along with removing an entire type of item. It's just a lot less likely to happen

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true

[hoary arch]

alternate suggestion: rework profs alltogether

[indigo echo]

profs are great, so no

[hoary arch]

man really just said that profs are great in the state they are now

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[indigo echo]

i don't see a problem, do you want them to be super easy and for everyone to grind out in a couple of days? wynncraft would legit lose the entire playerbase in seconds

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[upper veldt]

prof grinders touching grass would be priceless tbh

profs have a cool concept with a nice reward but the price of your soul and many weeks or months of your life is the thing that bother me the most

[indigo echo]

well u can also just make it so wynncraft can be 100%ed in 4 months

[hoary arch]

that's good

but you can't actually 100% the game because of how there's no % bar on how much of the game you've completed

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you can, get all profs to 132, complete the entire quest book(like me :D), complete all raids, unlock all tome slots, get to 106, and I think thats it pretty sure

[hoary arch]

that's subjective % and not game %

[indigo echo]

the game 100% means that there is effectively nothing new for you to gain (items excluded because those factually dont get counted in any stats nor api, nor are they logical to be included)

[hoary arch]

subjective end

[indigo echo]

meaning all 14 classes all quests, (secret) discoveries every dungeon seen / visited as well as raid and all profs full max on all

[indigo echo]

you're just coping cuz ur lazy dats all

[hoary arch]

wdym coping

also what you say means that people only play wynncraft to prof lmao

[indigo echo]

how am i saying that?

and coping as in "subjective" tf u mean "subjective" it's factually the end when there's nothing more to accomplish (pve ofc cuz its a pve game)

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[indigo echo]

yea what im saying in that case is you can finish everything in the game within like 2 weeks of playing and ud just quit, that'd be pepeg. and since profs take so long to accomplish players tend to stay cuz they haven't done everything and because they're too lazy to prof they do other stuff and then enjoy grinding that other stuff out, for example afking in cities or pretending that guild war benefits them

[hoary arch]

you do know that wynn isn't just a bunch of hypixel skyblock players right

majority of playerbase are people who enjoy playing mmorpg games and doing quests and stuff

[indigo echo]

yea if they dont play for stats thats alright, but we're talking about progression

[indigo echo]

ahh yea they enjoy doing quests and stuff, thats why nobody besides me and a small amount of the players actually plays quests 🤯

[hoary arch]

why do quests exist if they aren't fun......

or enjoyable....

[indigo echo]

they are fun, but what u said was most people enjoy them, however most people dont. they rather just brainlessly run from chest to chest to pretend money is getting them somewhere

[hoary arch]

wdym most people dont?????????????? what does the majority of wynn's playerbase do???

[indigo echo]

ok well to be fair, the majority plays quests and stuff once and quits the game

[hoary arch]

wooow how nice that you didn't mention that

[indigo echo]

however the majority of the actively staying playerbase spam completes classes with leveling parties they waste 40 hours waiting for to then use those classes to grief a couple tna runs at best and then proceed to get baited into doing guild wars

[hoary arch]

and how long do they play for

[indigo echo]

like couple months at best

[hoary arch]

why is wynn's online people count always consistently around 1000 players

[indigo echo]

cuz there is new players, old players returning, and again the "active playerbase that stays longer"

however those people's actual stats if u wanna look it up urself dont rlly increase

[hoary arch]

how big is the active playerbase that stays longer

[indigo echo]

couple thousand

at best

[hoary arch]

how long do they stay

[indigo echo]

active on and off for well multiple years i guess. playing every now and then and doing a bit of random stuff like couple forg runs or raids or whatever. thats what i percieve as the "active" playerbase, together with those that start and grind to finish and then quit for a long time. i guess over all its a bit more than "couple thousand" if we calc in everyone that returns every now and then and then even sooner or later.

[hoary arch]

and the majority of the actively staying playerbase stays only for profs

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compared to all of the other players

[indigo echo]

and between profs doing other stuff. mostly not productive stuff which would be quests and new classes, but rather stuff thats fun to them. so thats perfect and exactly what the server needs

then u have a group of people who grind raids, then a group of warrers, a group of lrers etc.

[hoary arch]

what

[hoary arch]

is the majority of the playerbase active and staying

[indigo echo]

and thats exactly what it should be

[hoary arch]

is it?

[indigo echo]

people that stay and play. yea

[hoary arch]

is the majority of the playerbase active and staying?

[indigo echo]

id say the rates are pretty similar to other games. where most people quit soon after starting and the rest who stays stays for a good while due to wanting to reach / complete something

[hoary arch]

is the majority of the playerbase active and staying you have not answered my question

it is a yes or no question

[indigo echo]

i did give u an answer on that question, even a "no" but maybe u misunderstood me

[hoary arch]

where

[indigo echo]

i gave u another one too

[hoary arch]

please say yes or no again because i cannot be bothered

[indigo echo]

i literally spelled it out for u as "no" are seeing halucinations

[hoary arch]

ok then why did you say this when the majority of the playerbase is not proffing

[indigo echo]

theyre not actively proffing

[hoary arch]

entire > majority so you're stretching it even further

[indigo echo]

having something as goal and actually progressing towards it is something diff

[hoary arch]

what are you on about

i am saying that you are contradicting yourself

[indigo echo]

how?

cuz i think ur not listening properly

[hoary arch]

ok lemme restart this argument
you're saying that the majority of players on wynn are proffers
where did you get these statistics

[indigo echo]

im saying the majority of people who would want to fnish the game end up being proffas because its what takes the longest

[hoary arch]

in other words the majority of players on wynn are proffers

[indigo echo]

most people definitely are not proffing because theyre too lazy

[hoary arch]

and is that the majority of players of wynn?

[indigo echo]

yes, most people on wynn are lazy

[hoary arch]

ok then why did you say that wynn would lose their entire playerbase if profs were easy

[indigo echo]

cuz then everyone could easily obtain the "im finished" kinda feeling

when u leave profs out for them to procrastinate over they can stay

[hoary arch]

you just said that most people on wynn are lazy

[indigo echo]

yea they procrastinate

[hoary arch]

what

[indigo echo]

they want to do profs sooner or later but just dont do it cuz its too much work

[hoary arch]

then everyone in wynn are proffers they are just lazy or not lazy

wtf are you saying lmao

[indigo echo]

if u count as dont play but wants to as doing something thats weird, but then yea everyone is

even for tome slots then everyone is a proffa xd