Correct Interactive Map Artifacts

[hoary hill]

would using the map not break immersion to begin with?

understandable. i don't really think that it will happen because of the way the map is made tbh

i could be wrong though

it also definitely isn't a priority considering doing this will probably take some nontrivial amount of time or require making a box around the whole map to cover the stuff

[covert nimbus]

[hoary hill]

i probably would not. there's a wynntils map that doesn't show borders though if you really want to use an immersive map

[spiral helm]

🤯

[rose idol]

“Breaks immersion” doesn’t tabbing out break it first 😭

[gleaming helm]

I think they mean that those random bits just don’t look good in an otherwise natural-looking world map

[shy lintel]

add a top-down view option for wynnmap 🙏 would look even cooler once fruma is added

[hoary hill]

yea, its not priority

[ebon bay]

yeah, it requires the build team to make box around the world, or at least on the visible edges, probably anyone with half an hour free time can do it

the rest of the map can be cropped with the overviewer setting files

[plain wagon]

as someone who has had to edit the outer edge of the map that you see on the map, just know for one it is not a good shape (it isn't a square/rectangle, it goes in and out) and also they don't want anyone to be able to walk on it out of bounds so the whole thing would need properly barriered

not saying you're wrong but you are VERY incorrect on the time part.

This kind of thing would probably take a few hours at least (to be done properly, obviously someone could just make a hollow //wall around the entire map but that looks ugly, and I'm not saying it needs to be nice just a hollow box wouldn't work anyway)

[glass dock]

The server sends ingame automated messages to remind ppl about the map

[hoary hill]

yeah.

[ebon bay]

Hm yeah probably right about the time it might take, but I think even a simple hollow box would be great. And also I don't get what extra work has to be done with barriers, they are in place already and won't be modified in any way.

[plain wagon]

QA standards require any offmap area to be inaccessible through any direction including going inwards, meaning they do need fully barriered

A hollow box would hide the issue and not fix it

[ebon bay]

I get that there needs to be barriers, but there was no mention of the offmap area, it's just not rendered on the map. Only the edge of the main map should have a hollow hider box.

[grave cobalt]

I just play with 32-64 chunks to get that infinite sight, so uh, no

[twilit pollen]

I 100% agree with this suggestion. The outside parts of the borders makes the map look incredibly unprofessional. Doesnt look good at all and gives a wrong impression to new players who looks at the map for the first time

[ebon bay]

[covert nimbus]

We both know it would take an unbelievable amount of time to edit the builds around the border

But I think it could be solved by having there be clouds or something or fog on the map that cover it up

[twilit pollen]

^ something like that yea

[hoary hill]

true

[unique glacier]

Cant they just spam in clouds around the edges skyrim style and cover those things up

No need to edit the entire map when you can just edit the image that the map is made out of

But then again i could be completely wrong so

[hoary hill]

uh hopefully. i like the idea. i just dont think it will happen. maybe if the builders want to do it

[glass dock]

/warp offmap
//pos1
//pos2
//set air

Insane time investment

[covert nimbus]

[ebon bay]

maps are not made of a single images, but tiles instead

when you zoom out you see a lower resolution set of images, and you see high quality ones when you zoom in

[unique glacier]

Well yeah but unless the map is rotatable you should just be able to png some clouds in around the edges right?

[ebon bay]

technically it's possible, but it would take mkre time to write a program that does it on every new map render than just editing the map

[unique glacier]

...? Cant you just slap on some clouds that stays in place

That just sounds like a overcomplication of things

[plain wagon]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about, while it is effectively an image it isn’t an image, it’s a render by dynmap (Presumably, I don’t actually know)

it is notably not an image as icons, players, and text appears on it in certain conditions

(Although they probably still could add clouds somehow lol)

[ebon bay]

that's not overcomplication, you write some tool that can do your job once and you never have to do manual labour again

[ebon bay]

they use a mapping tool called overviewer as the base, and the actual images are generated when the rendering is done, aka when you run the tool

[unique glacier]

i just dont see the point in creating an entire tool when you could (probably) just paste in a png of clouds

again, i could just be completely wrong, i have no idea how this works internally so im just making guesses as to what could be done

[ebon bay]

as I mentioned earlier the map is not a single file, and all of it needs to be edited

all of these have to be edited, and with every tile, every area

[unique glacier]

Couldnt you just make the clouds a separate layer on top of everything that just stays there?

[ebon bay]

🤷‍♂️

[stray tinsel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dynmap/comments/hmkih7/new_visibility_limit_commands_in_v31_snapshot/

dynmap has had a way to define a map render limit long ago

just define the borders and nothing outside that will show up

you can also define how everything outside this render limit looks like to prettify it a bit

[ebon bay]

dynmap is just pointless for this purpose

and also currently the off map areas are just simply cut off too

[neon mountain]

terrain moment

I did it in the past, but even that terrain gets cut off lol

you can check the swamp border to see that

well, the whole gavel border actually

might do some terrain to cover it up later on, but it would be really low priority for now

[plain wagon]

Fair enough but just curious is the abomination behind lusuco even used? It’s been there on the map for so long but nothing in lusuco extends THAT far

Especially with the cave seemingly exposed to outside of the map

Stuff like seeing what was behind sand swept tomb was so minor you only noticed if you looked at it, but this is more visible than lusuco is due to the angle

[stray tinsel]

they were literally just saying that the map is probably a dynmap render .-.

[ebon bay]

literally the 8th line of the map page:

<meta name="generator" content="Minecraft-Overviewer unknown (unknown)" />```

[stray tinsel]

"crop
You can use this to render one or more small subsets of your map. The format of an individual crop zone is (min x, min z, max x, max z); if you wish to specify multiple crop zones, you may do so by specifying a list of crop zones, i.e. [(min x1, min z1, max x1, max z1), (min x2, min z2, max x2, max z2)]

The coordinates are block coordinates. The same you get with the debug menu in-game and the coordinates shown when you view a map."
https://docs.overviewer.org/en/latest/config/

[ebon bay]

I'm really not sure why you're bringing this up again and again, they clearly use some cropping as the offmap areas are not rendered

[stray tinsel]

because they can just use cropping to hide build artifacts

i dont understand how thats so hard to get

it also helps for discussion sake to actually have access to documentation for the renderer they use

that way everyones not just doing guesswork going "they probably can just do this"

[ebon bay]

I knew they could do that

they could have updated the map for the new island

they could have updated all the POI on the map

they could have cropped off unused areas

[stray tinsel]

and good on you for knowing that. i believe everyone else in the discussion is entitled to know this too

you might find it unneccessary, sure, but not everyone is as involved nor knowledgeable on the server side of things