Remove the difficulty rating for Dungeons

[stuck fractal]

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They serve no purpose whatsoever, they do not show the actual difficulty (which is also dependent on a lot of factors, such as your archetype (and skill issues)) and instead the difficulty is based on the level. Instead of having that, maybe instead have a required quest tag so people know which quest to complete in order to do the dungeon (or this might already exist idrktbh).

[heady leaf]

you're pretty much asking for them to remove the game, read before you type

[static mica]

what?

[stuck fractal]

damn never thought wynncraft needed difficulty ratings

[static mica]

he just means the tags that say "very difficult" no?

[stuck fractal]

nvm then this suggestion is trash

[tender goblet]

having a tag for "required" quests would also be stupid because then people would just skip quests (main content of the game) because they arent required

[static mica]

theres alr required quests no?

[stuck fractal]

yea fair

[tender goblet]

kings recruit is the only actually required quest

everything else you dont have to do if you dont want to, its just a lot more inconvenient that way

[static mica]

how would you unlock dungeons then? XD

[tender goblet]

you wouldnt

its just a lot more inconvenient that way

[static mica]

but its already in the game that dungeons are locked behind quests, he just wants to see more exactly at those dungeons which quests ig (for some reason)

[keen wren]

this is such an obviously positive suggestion that it's weird to even see discussion

[static mica]

yea i dont get it either, i thought i was misunderstanding something

[tender goblet]

i have nothing against difficulty tag removal i just dont think that giving people a tag on quests saying "required" or not is that healthy for the game

[static mica]

but it doesnt change anything cuz the npcs are alr in front of the dungeon

[delicate hill]

They're basically mob levels. They're mostly there for cosmetic to show the progression of the player

Like, sure, they don't have too much purpose, but there's also just zero reason for them to go.

[stuck fractal]

i dont really think theres a purpose to those levels for progression, a level number is pretty much enough

[delicate hill]

Ok

That's not really a reason to just get rid of them though

[stuck fractal]

they can be a bit misleading, take the infested pit being labeled as easy (iirc), yet if you do it with a glassy archetype and build at level, it can be quite difficult

[delicate hill]

Unsurprisingly playing a glassy class means you have less defense

[tender goblet]

🤯

[stuck fractal]

i mean yea

but these are probably new players who also dont really know what ip has in stock for them

[static mica]

what he's saying: sometimes it can be easier than expected, sometimes harder. there is no proper way of judging the actual difficulty of them, and if you wanna go by player opinion they're all super easy

[delicate hill]

I am willing to go with an idea of reworking them to better assess the difficulty at level instead of just increasing as dungeon level increases

But outright removing them is goofy

[static mica]

i cant react to it but

[flint bridge]

eh mob levels have internal use

[static mica]

clearly only for daily objectives.

[flint bridge]

i kinda agree with this suggestion bc it (the difficulty tag) assumes that higher level = harder when in reality some of the higher level dungeons are much easier relative to level

[delicate hill]

silent expanse mob stats

[kindred summit]

I think dungeons typically do even proportionally for level get harder as you progress no?

[flint bridge]

generally yes but like i wouldn't say CUR/CGG are the hardest in froggery relative to level, and FF is probably relatively harder than some froggery ones too

[kindred summit]

well, at least until you get to around gg I think it mostly holds true

[flint bridge]

yea for early game i think i'd agree maybe barring LS/UC

[kindred summit]

idk I think sst ib and ur are all pretty comparable for level so it’s fine and then gg is just bleh

ff is one of the easier dungeons and then EO is alright

[static mica]

tell that to people that get onetapped against anthikythera or whatever the computer is called

[kindred summit]

I think the problem inherently with trying to “accurately” assess dungeon difficulties and set a standard rating for them is that such a system doesn’t really work for non corrupted wynn dungeons as they are literally meant for linear progression- why would you make one of the earlier dungeons more difficult mechanically than a later dungeon; it would make sense if there were multiple dungeons on the same level range but that just literally isn’t the case

corrupted dungeons have scaling though so it would kind of make sense for them

and so I think that the ratings that currently exist which assume dungeons get more difficult is fine, even if that really isn’t the case nor if it adds much value at all

[uncut merlin]

somehow the hardest dungeon from my experience has been normal Ice Barrows. I could not say why, or how CIB would be easier.

[static mica]

yea ice barrows is rlly annoying because of all the ranged mobs, way harder to play around (compared to other dungeons)

[wispy nacelle]

playing wynncrafty is not required

[static mica]

doesnt defy the point he made about kings recruit being required as a quest to play more of the game

[wispy nacelle]

i know

i dont understand the point of that argument

like u need to talk with one npc

who cares

[heady leaf]

👍

[wispy nacelle]

why would anyone skip the quests if they are literally the point of this game (lore)

[static mica]

dungeon quests are also required for the dungeons, no clue what shadow was on

[wispy nacelle]

yeah

[tender goblet]

have you really never seen people who think:

quest not required, no reason to do it

lucky you

[wispy nacelle]

no i haven't

[static mica]

but you already see which ones are required and not, what do you mean

he doesnt mean in the quest book btw, he means below the dungeon difficulty tags

[wispy nacelle]

who tf starts playing the game just to grind dungeons

[weary plinth]

difficulty ratings are based on 1.20 stats

because everyone is cracked in 2.0 that’s why it’s so easy

it wasn’t meant to be this easy the devs messed up on the numbers

ability tree gave access to every ability way too fast which cheeses dungeons

when the dungeons were made in mind with abilities being slowly unlocked throughout the levels back then

[merry cradle]

you do realise the required tag would display outside the dungeon (e.g instead of decrepit sewers (lvl smth smth) difficulty easy it says decrepit sewers (lvl smth smth) requires xyz quest

their not saying to tag quests in the questbook as required

[static mica]

exactly

[keen wren]

isn't the suggestion to put a "quest req: <questname>" on the dungeon entrances?

[static mica]

it is

[fresh olive]

Get rid of these because I said so

theres your reason