2.0.2 Constructive Feedback Megathread

[lament shale]

and my point is that those are not accurately reflective of the entire class

[dusk scroll]

its the only thing that can be consistently measured since 90% of the people that are involved in #🗿class_builds use optimised builds

by involved i dont mean people asking about their first build

i mean people that generaly talk about their builds and how good they perform

[lament shale]

consistently measured because it's better? or because it's easiest for you? 🥴

[dusk scroll]

because eeveryone fucking talks about it unlike unoptimized builds.. god damn

[lament shale]

it's really not that hard

[fallen lantern]

What point are you guys making?

I dont get it.

[dusk scroll]

i dont even know

[lament shale]

that using literally full mythic/crafted/tomed builds to "measure" class damage standards is completely absurd and just ends up confusing more people

[fallen lantern]

Agree

[dusk scroll]

ok then we dont use anything cuz we dont know about uinoptimized builds

if you do then go ahead share your knowledge

[fallen lantern]

I see a lot of builds.

[dusk scroll]

that doesnt mean anything

[fallen lantern]

One classes reach 100k dps easier than others

[dusk scroll]

i can see a warrior/archer build as well but i wont understand how much dps it does and how good is it unless someone that plays those classes explains it, and the only times that is explained is for optimized builds

[fallen lantern]

I do agree that comparing classes is hard

[dusk scroll]

exactly thats why i compare most optimized builds 🤷‍♂️ if someone is so eager to compare unoptimized builds then be my guest i wont stop you

in fact il be happy

[fallen lantern]

I don't see a reason why we should continue this argument.

[dusk scroll]

yeah its a waste of time

its just the same thing being repeated over and over

[sonic ether]

wtf man you cannot say archer is good my maxed crafteds mythic mage build has more dps than 5 cps morph olily boltslinger!!!!!!!!

[dusk scroll]

does it rly tho 🤔

[sonic ether]

at 5 cps probably

7 cps morph olily boltslinger isnt terrible tho

[dusk scroll]

when you say maxed crafteds mythic do you mean glass etw build or ?

[sonic ether]

which is good

[sonic ether]

idk bro i dont make builds i just mean good at dps

[inner elk]

they can't go a single patch without raising damage creep 🥹

[lament shale]

assassin mains complained too much clearly they needed it!

[dusk scroll]

they needed the qol changes but the dps was absurd even before changes

before the changes assasin had the absurd dps but it was super non practical to use, now it has the absurd dps and is also practical to use

[lament shale]

(this was sarcasm if it wasnt obvious btw)

[dusk scroll]

i mean they did in fact need those changes

but damage nerfs should have also happened

[lament shale]

idk doesnt look like assassin got too much qol this patch other than getting a shit load of damage but i dont play the class so i wont comment on it

[zinc flame]

mage dps is perfectly balanced

[dusk scroll]

i 100% agree

but some people still call it negative dps despite doing 3-4x more than peak 1.20 dps

[zinc flame]

lightbender does a decent amount for a heal class, same for riftbender

full riftwalker is meh but just mix it up and all

arcanist is great too

[lament shale]

like a certain other someone here...

[zinc flame]

who

[plain canopy]

Riftbender for me has the ability to hit 100k but averages 75k

Which to me is pretty good if I'm also allowed to heal myself

[dusk scroll]

@zinc flame

[lament shale]

to be fair ophanim has like 0 aoe also

[plain canopy]

I just use sunshower for it since it works

[zinc flame]

sunshower

[plain canopy]

Not good against actual bosses but minions don't survive

[zinc flame]

bosses don't need aoe

[dusk scroll]

if an ything its better against bosses

[plain canopy]

I meant as actually damaging it

Although it is funny to go full aggressive with heal ice snake

[delicate gale]

marqnbg

[fallen lantern]

Arcanist would wreck havoc in orphion fight. But no one cares about NoL.

[dusk scroll]

Yeah arcanist can go 20 cps there if someone has the skills to click that fast

[delicate gale]

the the the macro

[cold bane]

Blame archers

[dusk scroll]

and warriors and assasins

[cold bane]

Warrior is now fine-ish after the nerfs

[dusk scroll]

so is archer-ish, rn its assasin doing the most if im not mistaken

[cold bane]

I saw a few archers still obliterating greg

But maybe generally after crafted nerfs meta will stabilize a bit more

[untold cloak]

did you consider that a person can offer more than dps? sure, for tna dps is the main deciding factor but mage has healing, shaman has healing and massive aoe

[dusk scroll]

shaman slows greg too

[untold cloak]

oh yeah

[lunar token]

used to with the maddening roots until it got the slowness immunity

[delicate gale]

blame mages

greedy mage mains stealing all the dps for themselves

[fallen lantern]

This is sarcastic right?

[raw rover]

not anymore 😭 at least not constantly

[delicate gale]

yes of course :x

[untold cloak]

wait, they took away the literal only meaningful way shaman can help in tna boss?

[lunar token]

https://tenor.com/view/sadness-gif-22421286

[umbral gull]

lets pretend shaman doesnt buff teammates dmg, heal them and has incredible amounts of dps

[untold cloak]

incredible amounts of dps

[umbral gull]

have u seen crafted hadal?

[lunar token]

only if stays in the limited ring circle ;exploding_head:

[umbral gull]

and? then stay there 🤯

[lunar token]

My teams all archers 😔

[umbral gull]

still works

[untold cloak]

no

[umbral gull]

thought so, hadal and crafted armor is insane

[untold cloak]

show me

[umbral gull]

dont got a build lying around for my hadal yet, will show u sooner or later ig

(cant wait for crafteds to be nerfed)

[lunar token]

Which is probably why I’m not wasting my time on getting some crafted stuff to have it end up dead

[pliant current]

wait till you hear about lightbender

[umbral gull]

both are pretty nice. just wait until you realise that mage being strong doesnt make shaman weak

[pliant current]

it's relatively weak compared to other classes

[umbral gull]

i wouldnt necessarily say that. actually id say shaman, especially when used correctly, is really strong. also shaman is by far the best xp and in that sense large mob wave killer

[pliant current]

shaman is really only the best when you are looking at healing otherwise it's kinda mid

[umbral gull]

i doubt ud want to guild xp farm with other classes. same with ingredients and mythics. damage buff to teammates paired with own dps in a well played tna party for example can be incredibly strong too. sure its a bit different to use but it's certainly still good

[pliant current]

well lightbender is basically that but better damage boost and damage so

[umbral gull]

how does lightbender boost dmg more? youd need to heal first but fair point. regardless, lightbender rlly doesnt outweigh shaman dps in short term cuz u need to stack winded first

[pliant current]

they literally doubled the base damage in the last update for lightbender

just scales slower now

[umbral gull]

let's assume top dps build, what does a mage reach within like 10-20sec and then compare it to shaman that insta has all the dmg (+ outperforms mage outside of boss, too)

if we talk tna, of course

[dusk scroll]

idk whats shaman dps but mage can get up to 150-200k dps without tna buffs

[umbral gull]

idk if shaman was nerfed but that was way higher

literally no clue on balance changes lately cuz it doesnt matter

[dusk scroll]

way higher with walk speed ? if so then wtf are shaman players crying for thats broken

[umbral gull]

who needs walk speed

[dusk scroll]

ah so no walk speed so its worthless vs greg gotcha

if we go for n owalk speed builds i can proly get 300-400k dps on mage

but whats the point if i cant keepup with greg to do any of that dps

[umbral gull]

keep up with a non moving target

[pliant current]

there is basically no challenge at high level other than tna and maybe wars

[umbral gull]

id argue there is no challenge at all anywhere during wynncraft unless u build urself a challenge

[cold bane]

I tested hybrid summoner on dummies and it was like 70-80k :/

[lament shale]

your build sucks lol

[cold bane]

maybe :/

Hybrid fantasia

[pliant current]

i mean some people do use builds worse than morph

[umbral gull]

yea

[zinc flame]

mfw some of my friends run hadal crafted and a fkn TWF crafted nirvana gets double or triple dps

[strong lantern]

do you think shurkins on assassin should count to powders? i kinda wish my shurkins would build my powder special since its attached to melee attack. is that dumb?

[pliant current]

should probably proc ms

[cold bane]

^

[umbral gull]

did not say assassin wasnt better for dps, i just said shaman isnt bad

[cold bane]

Ehhhh, shaman has way bigger weaknesses than assassin...

[untold cloak]

just give shaman an ability (maybe at end of tree) that deletes aura and instead gives it good single target damage

not a good solution but less people would complain

[lament shale]

so you're telling me your solution to making the crowd control class more likeable is removing its strongest aspect and most class defining aspect for something that every other class can do

[gleaming epoch]

so hear me out right, what if ritualist replaced totem instead of uproot ||/s ||

[untold cloak]

better way would be to add challenging content that needs good crowd control (or healing support) but i dont think that will happen for a while

[flint birch]

i would rather

have a mage in my party than dps, i choose survivability over dps.

[untold cloak]

i mostly meant shaman healing, which in theory is really strong but not in tna because youre constantly moving

[flint birch]

no, i mean mage healer

[umbral gull]

that would be so bad

[strong lantern]

I hope this doesn’t get ignored

[untold cloak]

really makes sense

[zinc flame]

mage does more dps with shaman idk what in the world ur on about

if every class performs better than shaman then it's safe to say shaman performs badly

[zinc flame]

yes. it's an optional ability so if people find the cci strong about the class they don't have to take it

[umbral gull]

if every class is a little better = shaman is bad and needs hard buffs so that other classes are worse and need a buff then and so on?

like how does that make sense xd

[zinc flame]

not a little better my friend, a lot better

[umbral gull]

really not a lot better

[zinc flame]

other classes can easily benchmark 250k+ dps without having to go full crafteds while shaman needs extremely crafted hadal

[umbral gull]

that sounds fine to me

[zinc flame]

I'm sorry what does this sentence even mean

[umbral gull]

it means that youd need to perma buff the worst class so its not the worst anymore, one will always be the worst at something

[zinc flame]

good for you! however if something sounds fine to you doesn't mean it's good

[zinc flame]

no way... balance the classes maybe 🤯

besides if shaman didn't get nerfed in 2.0.2 it would be on the sameish level instead of being very underpowered

[lunar token]

How do we do fellow 2.0.2 constructive feedbackers

[cold bane]

I know what could make shaman slightly better

Instead of timed CCI make the bosses with resistances just could be crowd controlled for shorter amount of time, I guess... (probably this was suggested somewhere already, idk)

[wheat swallow]

For knockback just make them take less knockback

[warm zephyr]

it should yes

less tho

but they’re tied to spell. so.

[strong lantern]

Extreme sadge

[cold bane]

But aren't powder specials coded as spell too nowadays? They need some mana to be casted...

If they are, I see absolutely no reason that shurikens shouldn't be able to proc ls (unless ms procs on powders are so limited that there's no way to make the ls/ms gain ratios independent from you attack speed)

[lean flare]

My warrior deal like 25k damage per second

E

[zinc flame]

wow!

[lean flare]

So good!

Best build ever

[sonic ether]

no way frozenfort real

[cold bane]

NERF IT!!11! THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH DPS!1!1!!!!1!

[signal gulch]

bro you are saying all the right things to be recruited to CT

[umbral gull]

damn. i really need to change my attitude then

[ember holly]

nuh uh

that's a response to a blocked message. I don't even got to read it to know it ain't the right things to be recruited 💔

[umbral gull]

i literally got blocked because i ironically said ToA mobs are well designed when one picture of a literal minecraft chest as a mob was posted.

how is that an argument

real wynncraft ct moment

[ember holly]

it's not it's just the worst opinion ever 💔

[umbral gull]

thats why its ironic

[untold cloak]

wtf hacker, i used all of the mob drops and i get way less!! (i dont identify items)

[sonic ether]

its madeline

[umbral gull]

making joke = worst person to breathe air

on the contrary, i understand ToA mobs are certinaly a sensitive topic.

[storm anchor]

best toa mob is gatekeeper crystal

[waxen patrol]

no

nothing in the game except for your initial swing does the charge

[umbral gull]

why would spells stack powder

[plain canopy]

shuriken isn't a spell i think is the reason

i believe the logic is since it's triggered by your main attack (after dashing) it should count

[umbral gull]

but its still a spell

[plain canopy]

eh, i mean i'd be fine with shuriken's getting a dumb buff because rn they're just there

[umbral gull]

they were a huge part of my etw potionless underleveled craftsman ninja playthrough

[zinc flame]

it's an ability 🤓🤓🤓

[umbral gull]

my bad

[untold cloak]

tbf twains arc also charges iirc

[umbral gull]

except thats not a spell

[untold cloak]

but its an ability

[umbral gull]

yea but its an extension of main attack, shurikens arent. shurikens are only activated with main attack because having them activate after dash directly could be hard abused and also to give players better aim

they also scale with spell dmg pretty sure, twains arc doesnt

[plain canopy]

they dont

they scale with main attack

[untold cloak]

just change that to main attack damage

[raw rover]

its spell

[plain canopy]

i always remember it saying main attack damage

[umbral gull]

id be surprised if that was a thing, if it is it should count powder (but only 1/3 of attack)

[plain canopy]

although to me it makes more sense if they did

[umbral gull]

also the shurikens can be spammed, faster than the maiin attacks with super slow i think

[untold cloak]

oh

[strong lantern]

Imo they still should count to powder like twains arc

[umbral gull]

yea but again u need to make sure it cant stack faster than main attack

[strong lantern]

Works for me it would just be nice for it to generate at all/ it would so be nice to be able to activate them too but idk how that would work

[leaden trail]

i got blocked because i said that tcc is more fun than tna

[sweet venture]

IT KINDA IS

i deadass enjoyed running tcc more than tna at times

[leaden trail]

madeline does not understand the concept of opinion 😔

[sweet venture]

i once got blocked because i called a popular celebrity cat overrated

[dusk scroll]

🤔

the fact that someone's cat is being discussed online instantly makes it overrated

[fallen lantern]

TCC>TNA anytime

[dusk scroll]

ima have to go with tna cuz i hated tcc rooms in 1.20...

they are fine now after the nerfs but when tcc was the main raid it was beyond frustrating to do most of them

[sweet venture]

tcc is just more satisfying to breeze through

[fallen lantern]

Now it doesnt one shot too

Most of the time

[dusk scroll]

yeah now tcc is like NOTG difficulty

[sweet venture]

fuck light room and void matter room in tna tho imo

[dusk scroll]

lightroom requires some teamwork which is good !

[sweet venture]

this implies having trust in anyone but yourself

[fallen lantern]

NoTG isnt that hard with a good team (like every raid).

[cold bane]

110% agree

I really, REALLY hate the fact that TNA is one big mobility check

[dusk scroll]

same could be said for tcc being ehp check when it was the main raid

[cold bane]

I think that tcc wasn't that much ehp check as tna is mobility check right now

Aaand it was ehp check more because of there wasn't so much damage in the game so ETW couldn't keep you as safe as it does now

[dusk scroll]

i mean.. if they revert all the nerfs to tcc to the way it was in 1.20 then even now you cant go ETW vs tcc

they nerfed tcc to oblivion in 2.0 to the point where even 20k meteors is enough to 1-2 shot almost all mobs in there

and the dmg was also nerfed ofc

[cold bane]

still was better than 1.20 NoL

[cold bane]

Although I still like 1.20 tcc more than current TNA

Honestly I think TNA would be much nicer to do if arena was smaller and greg's attacks were scaled down to the new size

[zinc flame]

I like tcc when running it with pfinder

I like tna when running it with friends

depends on the situation honestly

tcc is the kind of content that's hard for noobs to mess up in terms of rooms and boss

while in tna I can easily breeze through the boss but the issue comes with randos is when coordinating with them is a pain during main rooms

[zinc flame]

The TNA boss is very well designed I have no complaints with the boss and the rooms are fun too if you have people with braincells in your party

greg is by far the most fun boss in wynn due to it's challenge especially if u have a decent team

but nothing beats the feeling of carrying randos in pfinder in tcc with fkn hero hybrid of all things

hero hybrid is so fun in tcc

it's buff work so well

if I get stonewalker 3 I run full melee
otherwise I run hybrid and still do insane dmg

[pastel fox]

Jinx is not overrated

[sweet venture]

yes she is i genuinely don't know why people like that cat so much

like she's cool alright but not like s tier

[dusk scroll]

bruh its a cat ffs 💀

[pastel fox]

She isn’t S tier, she is SSURMGR tier

I’m joking btw, my cat is in SSURMGR tier, not Jinx

[sweet venture]

i mean look at these fluffers aughhhh

[pastel fox]

I love my raw chicken masquerading as a cat

[pastel fox]

SSURMGR stands for “Super Special Ultra Rare Mega Godly Rare” btw

Just to communicate how lucky I got in the gacha that was choosing my cat from her litter

[cold bane]

I mean, most of the attacks are fine, I guess, the waaay bigger issue is that you have to be either speedy or be able to fly to perform well in this boss, which can heavily limit how you build your class (especially if you are shaman)

Greg's charge and watched are prime examples of being a mobility check attacks

If you don't meet the speed condition, you have to rely on your party having archer or be lucky enough to pick hopeless 3 without screwing over your mana

[umbral gull]

madeline deusphage wynncrafts chat full of "1 blocked message" be like

[cold bane]

Literally a cope moment

[umbral gull]

just wait until he finds out that shaman can teleport to totems and can't ever be hit

but yea being mobile is and should be part of the game

[cold bane]

Ok, then just remove shaman if so

[umbral gull]

just wait until he finds out that every class can dodge easily

[zinc flame]

hm, but in tcc's case you can't run hyperglass then

every raid has it's own thing, the ws requirement actually makes tna more fun cuz ws is more fun in builds

oh I forgot to mention assassin builds don't use ws they just hop dodge greg around if using trickcrobat or pop a speed surge if trickshade

If defending greg is a hill to die on so be it, cuz I love greg's design

[cold bane]

(Exception because innate speed, so is the case with archer)

At least boltslinger

[umbral gull]

the only thing that really needs to build walk speed is mage

u can still tp away but ur dps suffers from it a lot

but on the other hand u have time dilation or whaever its called

[cold bane]

Shaman!

[cold bane]

It's also more like, it's easier to not build hyperglass than is to build a lot of walk speed

[umbral gull]

u dont need walk speed on shaman lil bro

ifu play tstack u automatically have walk speed and to dodge watched u can on top of that use tp to totem, and without tstack u have enough mana to hop around and dodge watched anyway. i get it soloing on shaman/mage can be rlly annoying without walkspeed but that's not the goal of the bossfight, to solo it

point is u have more than enough abilities and possibilities to build around the "walk speed" you need without it being obnoxious. if u want to play -400% walkspeed glass cannon without movespell to solo the fight then yea no shit you will get stat checked by the boss

but thats a good thing not a bad thing

[thick jewel]

reclaiming the house is probably bugged
all orcs are killed but the quest wont proceed
and if i class i spawn right into fighting
am i supposed to wait for 1000 hours

[cold bane]

Aren't homing eyes the problem with jumping around totem when watched? (Eyes are present surprisingly often during the watched phase)
And also I have a feeling that you need 2x haul to dodge the watched + be far away from the totem which can be very hard when you are constantly targeted with the watched without room to breathe

[zinc flame]

I love how shaman went in a full circle from worst class in 1.20 and most hated, to op class, to balanced and loved, to liked by niche, and back to being the worst class and most hated

[sage moon]

depends who you ask though. are the best classes or the worst classes the most hated

[umbral gull]

still liked by niche tho

[cold bane]

speak for yourself, I hate archer the most

fantasia will be always in my heart

[dusk scroll]

anti frenzy gang rise up

[cold bane]

(I use frenzy for lootruns so I really can't speak about frenzy...)

[cold bane]

shaman is not the problem, greg kinda is imo

[dusk scroll]

what else would you hate in archer? thats about the only thing i can think of being too op

[cold bane]

I hate how much it trivialises greg

[dusk scroll]

it trivialises greg because frenzy exists lol

[cold bane]

yeah, so maybe it is the frenzy

• still somewhat big damage output

[dusk scroll]

the big dmg output is cuz they dont have to build walk speed and can focus on damage

[robust frost]

can confirm
i play sharpshooter and cant get frenzy so...
you can live without ws, but then the fight actually takes a lot of skill
ws is definetly nice to have, as its archers main mobility

[fallen lantern]

Archer is a boring class. Even building for it. Guess which class has the least 2.0 builds in blues discord?

[untold cloak]

it objectively is, especially the boss

[fallen lantern]

TCC is the chill raid now

And free materials

[sonic ether]

i would disagree

[fallen lantern]

Opinions

Will not argue

[sonic ether]

only wynncraft member who doesnt

[signal gulch]

I like shaman for the nostalgia (it was my very first class) but it is by far the worst

[fallen lantern]

Shaman is the worst class by stats and mobility. Only thing it does the best is healing but that comes at expense of your own health.

Well crowd control too but bosses

[fiery portal]

nol requires good aoe, but nol rewards aren't as good as the other raids

[umbral gull]

nol 💩

[zinc flame]

don't shit on nol, that shit kept us engaged for 2 years

[pastel fox]

That and Forgery runs

[umbral gull]

wrong. i hated every playthrough even in 1.20. 150 of these just for weapon and dungeoneering tomes

(10 diff classes, but still)

[zinc flame]

ok

[umbral gull]

also it was always super hard to find anyone to play it with, so it couldnt have been that engaging

[cold bane]

Most of the people considered TCC better than NoL anyways...

[pastel fox]

I liked NoL’s boss as a concept but execution wasn’t great

[cold bane]

I just didn't like random one-shots that could happen in the rooms and the boss

And bugs

[pastel fox]

Lmao yea, I had a decently tanky build in 1.20 but would get slapped 95% of the time I did the boss, I think I only got to the second phase alive like 3 times

[umbral gull]

1.20 tstack on top

[zinc flame]

I liked nol rooms a Lil more along with the buffs so I played it more

[woeful basalt]

same tbh

the boss sucked though
I died hundreds of times because of the sheer lag and stupidity of that boss fight
the lag hasn't been fixed yet but dps has ramped up so there's less of a chance for it to go to shit which is nice

[zinc flame]

lag wasn't that bad in 1.20

[cold bane]

^

[umbral gull]

lag wasnt issue in 1.20 cuz we didnt have enough dps but the rooms compared to tcc are just annoying af, especially with all the afking and waiting (even more than in tcc imo)

• the movement is annoying af

[waxen patrol]

Dps doesn't cause lag lol

[solid narwhal]

Are you sure?

[woeful basalt]

in 1.20 I dealt way less damage so mobs piled on more and more and my computer usually went up in flames before I could kill the boss

now with the same builds I have actual damage so less mobs = less computer on fire = raid completed!

[umbral gull]

ah hell naw do you even know how NoL mob spawns work

[dawn ember]

That's mainly because of the NoL Mobs getting new textures

[umbral gull]

and totally not because the hp thresholds are hit 240 times quicker now for mobs to spawn

[dawn ember]

Yeah?

Literally nobody complained about NoL being extremely laggy till 2.0.1, which was when it got rebalanced

[waxen patrol]

I meant it in the sense of hitting for 1 billion vs 1 thousand makes no difference in tps

[woeful basalt]

yeah that is true

[woeful basalt]

I did
in my own echo chamber

[umbral gull]

i dont think i even touched it til 2.02 (no reason to do that) also it doesnt lag for me but others said so but yea u might be right ig

[robust frost]

What the f***

[waxen patrol]

yeah I'm sure, this is
#1 Wynntils and not wynn problem
#2 You made it do this on purpose likely, even if you didn't this is because the timer on your damage numbers is set insanely high
#3 not actually lag, you can hear the explosions fine 🤯

Also idfk what this video is i haven't played wynn lately, but if you aren't swinging what is causing the explosions?

[warm zephyr]

bug

and damage numbers fall slow when lag

the server is clearly lagging tho

[waxen patrol]

you goof ct you should know better, its wynntils damage numbers

[pastel fox]

Thats the ability effects not dps

[warm zephyr]

then whats recasting explosion lmfao

[waxen patrol]

I said I had no idea, but wynn numbers or wynntils numbers the explosions is weird

[warm zephyr]

bug

[solid narwhal]

That was explosive impact explosions triggering explosive inpact

Weird bug on beta

And it caused enough lag to both crash my mc and the server

[zinc flame]

top 10 goofiest subjective opinions on wynn

[umbral gull]

nah tcc is just way more chill my guy

[zinc flame]

your opinion

[umbral gull]

that is indeed my opinion

[pastel fox]

Will once again clarify that its not high dps causing lag, at least in most cases, its the effects from the spells

I would know because I did a TNA run with 3 archers when grapefirecreep wasn’t nerfed

Had no lag issues, and we still shredded everything

[waxen patrol]

also is the fact that on test servers there are weapons with stupid high damage that cause no lag

[umbral gull]

high dps means more mobs spawn which cause the lag

(in NoL boss)

[cold bane]

I think that mobs in NoL are spawned on boss' hp thresholds instead...

[umbral gull]

thats what i just said tho. so when you deal a lot more damage than before those thresholds are reached much quicker. and so there is way more mobs spawning in than before

[cold bane]

Ok, yeah

[thick jewel]

i would like to say that crepuscular ray still sucks
on my cspring its about a 50k dps loss
and you lose your focus too
the only QUOTE UNQUOTE 'plus' of crep ray is being airborne which seriously isnt even that much of an advantage
please buff crepuscular ray
PlEASe its concept is so COOL
(also buff blood sorrow
or shaman as a whole)

[flint birch]

buff shaman 🤣

[thick jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1020526389184692266/1077224120640618616/13583ECD-D39B-4A14-A110-278983649A1E.gif

[umbral gull]

"not that much of an advantage"

[thick jewel]

yes.
the bosses arent blind, they can still hit you in the air (ranged ai
push/pull spells exist, pull spell from a boss on ground can literally cripple you (stop you from shooting and stay basically only a block above ground)

at that point just use escape to dodge everything

and the fact that it will keep going until you lose all your focus (and is still a dps loss despite the big price of all 5/7 focus) is godawful
just spam ray/bomb/bomb you get more dps

if i remember correctly the goobers at the back of the eye's arena can shoot projectiles rapidly if youre close enough
with crep ray active a single push spell can get you all the way from within melee range (to the eye) all the way to the goobers
and you just get fucking stunlocked (even after initial ray cast)

if you consider vulnerable levitation as an advantage sure
im just saying that its not as big as it seems and sometimes can even turn normal situations into fatal ones

[dawn ember]

I think we should nerf every single thing about archer except Crep Ray and Trapper

:)

[cold bane]

YES

NERF IT TO THE GROUND

LET THEM SUFFER AS SHAMANS SUFFER RIGHT NOW OR EVEN WORSE FOR YEARS OF DPS HUMILIATION CAUSED BY THEM

[sonic ether]

nah bro boltslinger is in a good space right now

[untold cloak]

Boltslinger when more than 1 enemy moment

[cold bane]

shaman when any strong enemy moment

[nimble mulch]

Shaman when any enemy with >1 dmg or >1 hp moment

[cold bane]

Shaman when an npc has more dps than it moment

[umbral gull]

shaman

[thick jewel]

hey nonmythic (and noncrafted) archer is balanced :)

do not look at things like epoch or cspring and the game is fair and balanced!! !

[thick jewel]

shaman when weak zombie (lv. 1) moment

[dawn ember]

Sorry you said "Nonmythic archer" So I'm still looking at cspring :)

[thick jewel]

my internet is lagging it shows a ping here but I can't see it help

ok nvm it finally loaded

[untold cloak]

Still significantly more than even crafted + mythic shaman dps 🙃

[thick jewel]

lmfao

thats a shaman problem
buff shaman !!!

[pastel fox]

Buff archer nerf shaman, shaman too op, I can “CC” things which makes everything really easy, imagine what this CC could do to bosses (I assume it works on bosses I’ve never played Shaman) Archer on the other hand can only shoot things, much less CC, therefore needs buffs

Give Archer CC + Meteor Spell * Vanish Spell + Warscream and then the game will finally be balanced

[delicate gale]

Shaman

[lunar token]

I agree, I keep getting waaaaaay too much dps on summoner that kills Greg faster than a crafted fallen monk, needs more nerfs so it’s as balanced as buffed archer and assassin 😩 😳 🤯

||(joking btw dw)||

[cold bane]

oh yeah what else, maybe second chance and absolution-like healing

[pastel fox]

Mage heal spell as well

[cold bane]

who need mage heal when you have shaman one with abso values

[pastel fox]

No no no, Mage heal spell as well as shaman abso healing

That way Archers can play different types of healers

[cold bane]

oh and give it a passive ability that doubles your IDs permanently

[signal gulch]

you could literally delete shaman and nothing in the game would be noticeably impacted

actually, i'm wrong

the game would be positively impacted

we could return mage to being the healer/support class

we wouldn't have to balance around abso (which is the only item that makes shaman relevant)

[dawn ember]

nkklk try and not hate on shaman for 1 millionth of a second

[signal gulch]

i'm a shaman main lmao

[dawn ember]

You can be a main of something and still hate it
Source: I am shartshooter main

[signal gulch]

wynncraft players try not to excuse CT's terrible handling of shaman challenge: impossible

as someone who has done hilarious things on shaman, I can tell you very much that it is terrible

heck, I lootrun on shaman (semi-successfully...found 8 mythics on it iirc)

[dawn ember]

Probably because things right now are stupidly overpowered
Granted, I don't agree with how they nerfed shaman (it'd be in a better spot if they nerfed the other classes (bar archer which deserves to rot in bottom tier for the rest of this servers lifespan))

[signal gulch]

strange how people have been "saying" that for 3 patches and yet...shaman is still the laughingstock of the game

it's almost as if...defending CT's actions enables them to continue making terrible decisions 😮

[warm zephyr]

bro has been permamald over shaman for 4 months

[signal gulch]

yeah and there's no reason to...right? 😄

shaman is in a perfectly good spot 😳

[warm zephyr]

shaman is definitely not in a good spot but im aware you're being sarcastic

[signal gulch]

lmao

"we are aware that shaman is not in a good spot but we will defend its current position and refuse to buff it to be on par with other classes"

somehow that is even worse than just outright denying shaman needs help

[warm zephyr]

zzz

i really dislike talking with you im ngl

[lunar token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/730242645783347291/866454080808157184/caption-1.gif

[nimble mulch]

Can we talk about shade

[signal gulch]

you all are free to keep dismissing me and disagreeing with my statements, i don't mind

i'm sure there are plenty of people who think that shaman is fine

[storm anchor]

lmao

[fallen lantern]

Mage - balanced (we don't talk about Warp), Warrior - paladin needs a rework but all else is more or less balanced, Archer - I don't play it, can't judge it, Assassin - pure trickster and shadestepper are still lacking something, feels balanced (Cataclysm), Shaman - other than Absoliution heals it's really underwhelming. Good control but once mobs with cci/ccr appear it's useless.

Thats just my opinion.

[dusk scroll]

if you think warp is too op cuz of the walk speed then frenzy just gota get removed

[flint birch]

warp is fine

[robust frost]

fully agree although shaman is actually quite good against crowds of mobs if you grab one specific upgrade
hymn of hate

[storm anchor]

warp base:

[dusk scroll]

warp negative ID's that you have to counter:

warp would be useless without its walk speed

[storm anchor]

consus:

[fallen lantern]

Warp base is bit too high in my opinion.

[cold bane]

I think it's fair for warp having this much damage because the drawback for using it is major

It's also an air weapon so it's somewhat harder to get strength and dexterity in the builds

[dusk scroll]

yeah no matter what you do warp cant outdamaged fatal

its just that the walk speed makes warp 100 times better than fatal anyway

[cold bane]

Fatal is kinda less extreme version of warp

[umbral gull]

i think shaman is fine especially to farm ingredients and big mob waves

[midnight nacelle]

full fallen takes an L from base uppercut being a bit of a pitiful hitbox, this issue affects paladin as well so i hope base upper size gets some buffs

[thick jewel]

but it has a ridiculously low dps against single target
i understand shaman being a cc class but come on 50k dps? thats lame as hell
i sacrificed all that base dr for 50k dps? nope

as an acrobat main i get more aoe with jasmine bloom and more single target dps too
AND more base dr
if you want to argue that jasmine bloom decays overtime do remember totems have a timer too

[sonic ether]

so its not all around

[thick jewel]

i think imma just say that 2.0 makes it that aoe capabilities are not limited to shaman
but shaman currently has good crowd control
and only crowd control 💀
ok maybe acolyte absolution healer but where is your damage

[lament shale]

the wynncraft constructive feedback echo chamber

[thick jewel]

morbius

[strong lantern]

When half the bosses can’t be cc anyways…..

[strong lantern]

Bruh warrior and archer both get crit nodes that scale extremely well and shaman gets turns soul point regen into life steal. Who the fuck makes builds with soul point regen? Literally the most useless stat

[lament shale]

why are you telling me this

[strong lantern]

Why make some rude comment that adds nothing to the conversation

[lament shale]

because i wanted to

[lunar token]

Average day on the 2.0.2 constructive feedback megathread

[lament shale]

constructive feedback user when someone disagree with them

[lunar token]

Do be that way at times.

I mean just bringing up the s word (shaman) makes things fun in here and #1080744268773204029

[lament shale]

you are not allowed to disagree. shaman is trash.

[lunar token]

I mean yeah it is a tad rn. But maybe undoing of some of previous patch nerfs can make things hurt less ig

[nimble mulch]

Shaman lowkey fun when you have 1. Olympic or 2. 200% ws

[sonic ether]

wynncraft in general when someone has a different opinion than them

[nimble mulch]

The internet in general when…

[delicate gale]

Disagree with me

[fiery portal]

shamam

[storm anchor]

shamam

[pastel fox]

https://tenor.com/view/lmfao-laughing-gif-25145562

LOL (LOL)

[pliant current]

LOL !

[cold bane]

hmm I have also few ideas how paladin could be buffed to make it better both generally and in support

• brink of madness could get buff to 45% resistance (this would also help full fallen)
• new node: steel lungs (probably replacing sparkling hope in position): similar to iron lungs but also will give +10% resistance buff and better duration
• sparkling hope could proc multiple times from one heal or just deal extra damage depended on amount of healing received
• manachism could also give 3 mana to other nearby allies
• rejuvenating skin would get +5% healing received from all sources (including the passive)

and as for second chance... either merge with martyr and make this in red node or make compeletely new red node
or:
halve it's cooldown, give it 3.5s invulnerability
then martyr could give full healing and spread this invulnerability to all other allies

[fiery portal]

i feel like martyr can only be relevant if paladin has some damage redirection mechanic, since it's very unlikely that a supposedly tanky class can easily die

there's probs lots of other ways to make martyr better, but that's one way i can think of

[cold bane]

But this won't happen because GMs are stubborn

Kinda

[fiery portal]

I'd say that's just one way to look at it

[cold bane]

No, that came from words of a CT member

[fiery portal]

oof

[cold bane]

I also thought that new red node could extend your buff durations

[fiery portal]

which one

[warm zephyr]

this is a dev/salted thing not gm

[cold bane]

oh I forgot to change that

but yes, I meant devs

[fiery portal]

dev time just do be like that sometimes

especially since wynn feels like it's basically just a massive passion project

[cold bane]

as for the alternative final red node:
after reducing damage equal to X% your health in X s your next war scream will engulf you with holy flames for 10s
holy flames deal damage to enemies every second, restore your allies' health and mana and extend duration of their buffs

(but eh, this will never likely be in game)

[sleek python]

Put cooldown on Timelocked but make it doesn't consume all winded stacks

[cold bane]

Mmm this could extend the duration of it

[vagrant forge]

Me when i had to completely rebuild all 5 of my class builds cause of nerfs and buffs and a whole new set of skills

[paper zealot]

I love it when I have to get a completely new build for all my 14 classes

[untold cloak]

skill issue, just dont have classes

[cold bane]

ong

oh btw ingo, opinions on this "funny" red node?

[untold cloak]

what about making the SUMMONer final red node an actual SUMMON and not some extremely useless boost to something else

[paper zealot]

Probably too strong and personally I'd prefer an active ability

[umbral gull]

good old times when 2.0 launched

[untold cloak]

Tbh a final summon for summoner that incorporates the totem (so something luke a walking totem thats punching the enemy) would be cool

Would also remove seeking totem from ritualist

[cold bane]

hmmm maybe, tho numbers would be heavily toned down (like healing equal to single totem regeneration) but on the other hand paladin maybe needs another strong support ability. Buff extention would probably synergize with a lot of things (including some really powerful ones)

healing is also self-synergy with sparkling hope

[paper zealot]

For a passive healing final red ability I'd prefer if rejuvenating skin affected allies by a reduced percentage

But I'd prefer an active final red ability, Paladin already has so many passive abilities

[cold bane]

(it's not fully passive)

[robust frost]

Paladin is still just standing there, keeping aggro as best as you can with provoke (not viable without strobelight lmao) and being a damage sponge

[cold bane]

or he can try suicide just to have like 12s invulnerability to all allies with this potential node

[robust frost]

Guild wars be like
💀

[cold bane]

funny

[raw rover]

seeking totem

[sleek python]

Why is lightbender still not able to trigger fortitude/sunflare when it wants

[umbral gull]

why should it be able to do so

[plain canopy]

Because it's an ability that isn't always useful at that time?

Would you want Ubercharge in TF2 to activate the moment you hit 100%

[delicate gale]

I mean better question is when is sunflare heal req going to be reduced

[plain canopy]

Isn't it at 300%

[delicate gale]

Yes

But If you’ve played much with a tree that has it, that is very hard to trigger

[plain canopy]

Ehhh depends on your health

[delicate gale]

Even low Hp builds there are next to no scenarios you lose and reheal your entire health 3 times in 10 seconds

[plain canopy]

It's not for solo though

[cold bane]

I don't think that it's even possible to trigger it solo

[plain canopy]

Like I thought that was the obviousness of sunflare. Completely useless solo

[delicate gale]

It is with some low Hp builds

[plain canopy]

Sunflare is obviously the teamwork ability

[delicate gale]

I don’t think a red keystone should be almost useless in a solo setting

[plain canopy]

Not something that should be feasible solo

[delicate gale]

No other class has things like that

And it’s just poor design imo

[cold bane]

I feel like I triggered it only once in a teamwork

[delicate gale]

Change the design entirely or nerf the effect and lower the req

[plain canopy]

I believe it's required to have at max like 10-12k hp?

[cold bane]

yes, it should be like ubercharge, remove the time limit and make trigger controllable

[plain canopy]

After that it becomes difficult

[cold bane]

then it will be good

[plain canopy]

Also do heals during it contribute to next one?

[delicate gale]

Then it will be usable in a solo setting

❌ no

[cold bane]

eh, cooldown will take care of it

[plain canopy]

Ok so semi balanced

[cold bane]

this maybe will incentivise going full lightbender

it's very close to make this happen, this change will like make full lightbender on par with riftbender

[pastel fox]

It is, if you have good timing with your low hp and low orb hp

[cold bane]

probably you also need tons of water damage in kit

[pastel fox]

Lament build

[cold bane]

lament is not the only weapon that exists

[pastel fox]

I triggered it on a Lameme build is what I’m saying

Semi-consistently but the setup was not worth it

But yea the heal req needs to be lowered, its useless solo and in a group its hard to trigger it because everyone is bouncing around

[solid narwhal]

Its really easy to trigger on a 5hp build

So it must be viable!

[dusk scroll]

Even with a team you literally have to ask everyone to get naked and equip back up and then heal, and you still might have to go naked a second time to proc it

[plain canopy]

uhhh

why would the rest get naked?

that's nowhere near how sunflare works

[dusk scroll]

So they drop low on hp when they re equip gear

Otherwise you are never procing it

[plain canopy]

ah yes take off gear mid fight

what an excellent idea

[dusk scroll]

Well that's exactly it

You can't proc it on demand in any other way

You are constantly healing people at a slow pace with pulses so in a realistic scenario you will never proc sunflare

Like never

[plain canopy]

i thought most people spammed heal

the only reason pulse gets used is more just for not drastic situations

[dusk scroll]

What is a drastic situation

The only situation where your pulses can't manage on their own without spamming would be a guild war in which case why are you even healing with mage

[plain canopy]

low health?

[dusk scroll]

Knowing 99% of the 2.0 builds you would be healing atleast 70% of their total health with each pulse

[plain canopy]

just in general?

[dusk scroll]

If people need heal spam then they must be trying to facetank Greg on a build with 40k ehp

[plain canopy]

lightbender uses so little mana in general that you can actually afford to heal spam

[paper zealot]

It's as active as ragnarokkr

Or more like mantle

[zinc flame]

idk why nk became so spiteful towards ct lol

[warm zephyr]

shrug

idrc

[zinc flame]

his feedback isn't bad if it was phrased correctly and had a better tone tho

[warm zephyr]

yeah he isn’t wrong really

[zinc flame]

like I think we all can agree that summoner nerf was very undeserved and a revamp was more suitable to make it more active if it felt like a passive class (aco is fine it's a heal class)

[untold cloak]

yeah, aco before nerfs felt balanced

[cold bane]

I feel like acolyte is completely balanced around the existence of absolution

And not literally any other relik

[cold bane]

Hmm speaking of active abilities shield strike could be one but then it will be too similar to bamboozle I guess...

[paper zealot]

Fluid healing needs a cap at +100%

[untold cloak]

Thats the main problem, yeah

[untold cloak]

Not really, i feel like either a soft cap (like lq on chests) or just nerfing absos water damage (in exchange for something else) would be better

[cold bane]

just reverting it to 1.20 values, both for mage and shaman

so better, but have a cap

maybe abso won't feel it that much negatively, but other reliks will definitely feel it positively

• mage healing will be more competeable

[robust frost]

Well
In that case they need to rebalance guild wars though
Like..
Nerf tower damage and increase tower health
Because its barely possible to stay alive rn (against strong hq's)

[paper zealot]

Maybe we aren't meant to defeat high headquarters after all 😔
Almost as if we were supposed to remove connections first

[robust frost]

I meant 0 conn...

[paper zealot]

When they don't have connections they don't stay high forever

I'm pretty sure cutting off territories to ruin the other guild's economy (= making them unable to upkeep their defences) instead of taking the hq through brute force is how wars are supposed to be played

I've solo warred a lot and this tactic often allowed me to get a small claim (like all of SE or jungle) despite only being able to solo (normal) high terrs

And since I didn't want to waste too much money on skill point potions I tried to mostly stay with medium terrs since I could nopot solo them.
By using this very technical approach to warring of cutting off key territories and ruining their economy I still had great success (top 50 of all guilds mostly through solo wars by me and like 1-2 other guild members)

[cold bane]

You might be unaware how slow of a process burning resources can be as an attacker to a defender guild and vice versa, if you are defender in trouble with this you can ask an alliance member to send some resources

Or just like undefing useless territories

Like in we had a guild that was on sitting our territory for 3 hours straight trying to ruin our economy and nothing big happened besides losing already low treasury and making defenders very tired afterwards

[paper zealot]

Big alliances are a huge problem, I have to agree with that. That's why I always warred in SE and jungle which were marked as FFA territories at that time.

Maybe there should be more restrictions for allying other guilds (for example a maximum of 5 allies, one day cooldown after removing an ally until you can use that slot again (ally removal timer similar to class removal timer))

[solid narwhal]

That would not affect alliances meaningfully

[robust frost]

The only thing that the ally slots are necessary for is tributes

[dusk scroll]

and doing ffas that are across multiple guilds

[robust frost]

Fair point

[cold bane]

Yes

[delicate gale]

just global 5%

[cold bane]

ffas are mainly for season rating, so allies can actually compete a bit with each other

[warm zephyr]

lmao

[delicate gale]

large alliances are an inevitability in any system

[warm zephyr]

unless they’re directly worse than attacking and holding a claim for a shorter period of time + there aren’t massive rewards like. emerald seeking. to make people want to sit on the same claim

im sure there would still be a large alliance

but it would be probably more fun than what’s going on now

[delicate gale]

you underestimate how lazy people have gotten, attacking would have to be MORE than just better than defending

[warm zephyr]

arguably towers would have to be balanced as well

[warm zephyr]

despair

honestly i think if wars went back to 1.20 lengths literally nobody would be able to take their hq back for a few weeks

[delicate gale]

1.20

it wasnt even that good at the end but it makes now look awful

[warm zephyr]

i mean optimized warring end of 1.20 was still somewhat fun

[delicate gale]

curse stacking zz z

[warm zephyr]

definitely was better while stuff wasn’t completely worked out tho

[delicate gale]

take me back to alka 😤 💪

[warm zephyr]

ONG

curse stacking was high skill cap on healer tho ngl

[delicate gale]

iono i never healed i just sat as guard and swang while shifting

[warm zephyr]

https://youtu.be/95UXBNtDItk

heres vid of me testing it (i sucked)

[delicate gale]

the only video i have lying around i think is one where aiza dies to final aura to kill tower

[warm zephyr]

i mean in later hqs guards had to do stealing and chestplate swaps while cursing

[delicate gale]

aura tanking with so many stacks :D:D:D:D

[warm zephyr]

still not too hard tho

[warm zephyr]

old cursestack was so fun

[delicate gale]

yeah i am defender guild we did like 0conns or countersnipes never needed or tried to do much more

[warm zephyr]

especially when we were the only guild with the shaman tech

[warm zephyr]

yea that. makes sense

[delicate gale]

the real tech is me having to countdown every aura to our shaman who has no particles and no visual countdown from avomod or whatever

[warm zephyr]

[delicate gale]

10k wars no particles

[warm zephyr]

i liked 1.20 warring but

at the end it got way too easy if it wasn’t a drysnipe

my fav era of new warring was when ecoing made a large difference

[delicate gale]

when just defending 6s could stop most people

[warm zephyr]

☺️

it was quite fun ngl

[robust frost]

Omg @pliant drift

[pliant drift]

oh hey

[cold bane]

This meta is also very interesting for tanks because they are not nearly as tanky as they used to be in 1.20

[dusky widget]

“interesting” (bad)

[pliant drift]

i like tanking more now than before

[cold bane]

Final red node idea attempt #2, after reducing damage equal to X% of your health in Y s your next war scream when crouching will smite nearby enemies, dealing them massive damage and makes them deal less damage for some time @paper zealot

[dusky widget]

or maybe it could be exponentially proportional to how much health you lost

[robust frost]

(1 shots tna boss after going down to 1% hp)

[pliant drift]

dancing blade my beloved

[cold bane]

Naah, this is the opposite that paladin wants to accomplish

[robust frost]

Yeah
It seems more like a fallen ability ngl

[cold bane]

With this, you are rewarded to build tanky, the more ehp you have, the more often you will have this ability

• gives you more team support

[robust frost]

I mean
Thats paladins goal right?

[cold bane]

(Current one doesn't really do that)

[strong lantern]

Not sure if right thread, would they ever add a piercing effect to Twain’s arc? After playing heavy melee it’s slightly to deal with crowds. Also I think it would be nice if the shot spawned from a higher spot, when looking down I sometimes hit the ground instead of where I’m aiming and lose all focus(especially bad in bulb room where people like to sit on the rock while they wait)

[robust frost]

Yeah
Twains arc fires roughly from the center of the player hitbox while your camera is well
On top of the hitbox
(At least in my testing)

[dusky widget]

too used to warrior being only fallen oops

[paper zealot]

Sounds interesting

[cold bane]

hmmm maybe because technical difficulties, maybe if it would pierce, it would reset your focus?

[untold cloak]

doesnt really make sense, phantom ray pierces and doesnt reset your focus

the main reason is propably that it would completely invalidate normal heavy melee in group situations (outside of some explosive impact builds)

[nimble mulch]

unrelated but dyk when poison getting buffed

[cold bane]

fair enough, I forgot

[warm zephyr]

NO ACTUALLY

oo pcaps

[cold bane]

wouldn't be just for a temporary solution to double poison ID on every single item? Or something more like for each item level, increase it's poison ID by like 1,25% rounded down?

and no, PvP isn't an excuse, because you said that there's already a pvp damage modifier for it

[fallen lantern]

Full lightbender with 5 orbs has about 3/4 maybe 2/3 dps of riftbender with 30 winded. Lightbender can use manastorm for spamming snakes. As I like to play full lightbender, sunflare being useless is sad. It never ever activated for me solo and for groups there is no indication when its charged so you cant know whete to cast it. I would just replace it. Smt like the amount you healed (maybe multiplier for balance) in x amount of time will be added to your ice snake damage + some cool effects with bigger aoe + a cd ofc

[cold bane]

As an alternative to what I said previously to change it, maybe it should get kinda like mask of the awakened/flow state treatment so you see how close you are to triggering it and instead of time limit this progress bar starts decaying when you don't heal anything. And when it gets charged it doesn't decay for some time and you can crouch to activate it

I just don't really think that replacing is a way to go, kinda

[waxen patrol]

@rain oxide ping what will he do

[rain oxide]

WHAT THE FREAK

[waxen patrol]

[dusky widget]

can we nerf warrior

[sweet venture]

that's like beating a dead horse

[arctic crescent]

new plan
class requirements for weapons have now been removed
now you too can have cata flying bolt
or royal hydrangea on a class with a useful 1st spell for spam

[cold bane]

Nerfing shaman would be like beating a dead horse

Warrior is rather balanced now, even tho it's on the stronger side

And still is probably overpowered in terms of pvp (extreme mobility while having giant hitboxes on whirlwind strike)

[warm zephyr]

i think we should make summoner puppets deal less damage

[cold bane]

Shaman players on their way to become ryze mains

[dusky widget]

i think the solution here is to nerf warrior

[warm zephyr]

i think specifically we should make flying kick move the player in slow motion for added cinematic effect

[dusky widget]

we should also nerf the hitbox to be behind the player so that the player must actively get hit in order for it to activate its damage

make it like, behind and above too just to make absolutely sure the player goes directly into the mob’s melee hitbox

[pliant drift]

(that wont change anything for tna)

[dusky widget]

nerf it more? ok

make it so that the movement of warrior’s charge can only be activated once until touching the ground again, like archer’s escape

uuuhhhh

make it so that uh

[pliant drift]

actually it depends how far up you move the hitbox ig

[dusky widget]

war scream actually reduces damage dealt and increases damage taken for all affected players

ummm

reduce its range for melee attacks its too high

[warm zephyr]

you can never heal health lost while corrupted even after death

[dusky widget]

i like that one

[warm zephyr]

thanks i have a degree in game design

[dusky widget]

uhhh. decrease Sparkling Hope’s damage while we’re at it

[warm zephyr]

TRUE

[cold bane]

(Fallen isn't the problem, battle monk is)

[warm zephyr]

what if.. hypothetically.. we nerfed battle monk again

honestly i just want paladin to be actually interesting to play

[cold bane]

Nerfing whirlwind strike horizontal hitbox now ig

[warm zephyr]

1.5 blocks vertically and horizontally

[dusky widget]

make it so that Paladin’s final ability red node actually has a range, and make it like 60 blocks, but dont specify what it’s for

secretly make it so that when it procs, it kills a nearby player as compensation for letting the paladin live again and give it no cooldown

[warm zephyr]

not even nearby, it just kills a random person on the server

[dusky widget]

lmfao

[cold bane]

Mostly that you cannot hit mobs from sides and from behind ig

[warm zephyr]

half moon 2

[dusky widget]

it bypasses worlds too

[warm zephyr]

it only hits behind you

[cold bane]

I forgot to say as easily*

[warm zephyr]

you joke but sparkling hope has saved me before

[dusky widget]

what…

[cold bane]

So, like decrease to 6 blocks on the sides and 4 from behind

[warm zephyr]

i disconnected while grinding mobs and did not die because of sparkling hope 🤩

[dusky widget]

lmfao

[warm zephyr]

i mean. partially

[dusky widget]

common sparkling hope W

[warm zephyr]

simply mob grind on paladin it’s that easy

[dusky widget]

hmmm what else can i nerf about warrior

uhhhhh multiply blood pact’s hp drain by 2000%

[warm zephyr]

[dusky widget]

make it so that it can kill you too thats important

[warm zephyr]

martyr goes from doing nothing to taking away one second of invincibility

[dusky widget]

lmfao yeah you can combo the new blood pact and the new martyr and just kill everyone on the server

i should be on the content team

[warm zephyr]

truth

unironically i might not have the crafted changes done in time because i’ve been having too much fun playing the game

[dusky widget]

💀 wtf

ive completely lost motivation in turn for other games, idk how you stay so dedicated

[warm zephyr]

im not really sure either

i just enjoy game 👍

[dusky widget]

solid

[cold bane]

Not a nerf, no one picks it anyways

[dusky widget]

make it forced on the fallen tree boom

[arctic crescent]

blood pact now consumes 10x less health, and now directly feeds from your health before using mana
but that could incentivize weird intel-less builds and add diversity to the game! drats!

[cold bane]

The rally major ID in question:

[arctic crescent]

ok new plan
plug a blood syphon into your arm
blood pact now uses that to cast spells
it's a lifetime supply of spells

[cold bane]

Still win-win

[warm zephyr]

salted drains your life force

[arctic crescent]

sorry budget cuts
can't have blood anymore

[warm zephyr]

banger video idea @lofty sorrel take note

blood drive donation but it’s hooked up to your health bar while playing fallen

[arctic crescent]

also, is it more correct to say Syphon or Siphon?

[ember holly]

Next updating is nerfing warrior

Consensus? 🤔

We believe this change will improve the rates of getting 3 Star Voidstone from gathering

[robust frost]

amazing
nerfing warrior fixes everything

(please give me my uppercut hitbox back)

[cold bane]

No, warrior will be even stronger in pvp

It's strong enough already

[robust frost]

i know its not happening
im just coping

[delicate gale]

waror

[lunar token]

We should nerf every class

[cold bane]

we should nerf only shaman and buff everything else

[strong lantern]

Revert the level cap back to 60 👍

[flint birch]

shutdown wynn

[dusky widget]

nerf warrior

[ember holly]

I'm making the hitbox smaller

[robust frost]

Noooooo

[arctic crescent]

Time for Enraged Blow nerf number two thousand eighty seven
Where it stays at 80% but you also have permanent -40% damage
You know.
For balance.

[sonic ether]

remove levels in general

[dusk scroll]

delete the game

just make it a big ass SMP

with cosmetics

[ember holly]

[lunar token]

Gorp

[storm anchor]

✅

[lunar token]

add gorp to wynncraft

[pastel fox]

Add Le Big Fishe back to Wynncraft

[ember holly]

and then for CGG its Le Fishe Au Corruption

[pastel fox]

Yes

[dusky widget]

good update

[pliant drift]

revival

[fallen lantern]

Less buggy than 2.0.4

[cold bane]

You'll barely notice it