Lootrun changes

[bleak turtle]

Lootrunning has become one of the main activities for most players that reached the endgame. I guess it's just really satisfying to see that dry count going up and up without the hope of finding a purple box anytime soon.
Jokes aside... I know that Salted already has some changes planned for lootrunning but I would still like to share my ideas on how we could improve lootrunning significantly in case it might actually reach Salted and he might not have thought about one or two of my inputs yet.

1: Making chests client side.
Meaning that if you open a chest it will only despawn for you but not for anyone else on the same WC server.
Can easily be stored with some "uuid,chest-location" boolean entry in some redis database that expires after the time the chest should respawn.

2: Loot is no longer generated over time...
Right now the most annoying part of lootrunning is that you almost always get a world that was just looted by someone else so the chests are almost empty.
Of course the "Making chests client side" idea would already solve this issue but in that case everyone would just wait for a long time and get busted worlds all the time.
So my suggestion is to always have chests contain about the amount of loot it would have had with the current system after 2-3h of not anyone touching them.
This would fix the loot bonus logic problem too! Right now it's not really important to have good loot bonus stats on your gear. It's way more important to get the so called "world luck". Client side chests that still generate loot over time would just make it so that the longer you wait the more loot you get so loot bonus would still be useless.

3: ...but as a compromise the chests won't respawn for a long time!
I was thinking about ~1h for T1 chests, 2h for T2 chests, 3h for T3+ chests... But this is just a suggestion. Basically you could no longer just farm all the chest caves every 15 minutes but would have to actually wait for 3h to get the good chests again motivating players to actually go loot the whole world.

So yea... These were my ideas of how lootrunning would be made more fair for everyone and less toxic. Because I know for a fact that people are fighting actual wars over the good chests and in my opinion Wynncraft should not be about fighting against other players appart from Hardcore mode.

[burnt roost]

I was about to make a post just like this one wtf

But its true how annoying it is to open a t3 chest and there's like 6 emeralds in it every single time

[bleak turtle]

Ah nice to hear I'm not the only one that is annoyed by the current state of lootrunning 😅

[burnt roost]

Im more concerned about the average +lv80 player literally being unable to find anything useful in a chest

[bleak turtle]

fair point. lootrunning has caught up a lot and there is barely ever a world that's not completely looted from top to bottom at this point

[drowsy wigeon]

don't make chest respawn a long time it's gonna make doing daily objectives annoying

[bleak turtle]

but it would respawn in under a day?

I mean 2h is even soon enough that as soon as you are done with the whole "cotl rodk skyv cork se" lootrun you can start over again immediately

so it would be very very repetitive... Just no longer "chest-campable"

[drowsy wigeon]

yeah ur right i just wanna camp chests so i can finish daily quickly

[burnt roost]

there's like 80 morbillion chests in the jungle area

[drowsy wigeon]

this seems like a really important topic for lots of people, i hope lootrunning gets good changes

[bleak turtle]

same.

I was really excited to hear that Salted is actually considering changes.

[drowsy wigeon]

making chests client side is a really good idea

[brave meteor]

Having to wait an entire hour to open the chests on the emerald trail is appalling. Just an instant middle finger to any new players.

we need client side chests, but if they are client sided then theres no reason for there to even have a hard timer anymore (it exists now so people don't just swap servers to loot every t4)

[bleak turtle]

they would only have to wait for 1h after they opened them for the first time

and they would have way more loot than right now because right now also the chests on the Emerald Trail are almost always already looted since so many new players come every day.

[burnt roost]

wynncraft players cant read

[bleak turtle]

ah yes I completely forgot to mention that in my original post... of course there would be no more loot cooldown.

[brave meteor]

If there is to be a cool cool down should be chest specific not serer specific. Another thing is that server resets would mess this up too if that doesnt happen.

[bleak turtle]

you could instantly loot chests again after switching because the chests are client side. so all chests you opened on the last server will also be gone on the new server

[tawny pulsar]

because waiting 1 hour for actual items and a decent amount of emeralds is worse than 5 minutes for 1 emerald

[bleak turtle]

no like it would be very easy programmically. It could be as simple as follows in some database:

*-----------------*--------------------------*
* Player,Location | Time when can loot again |
*-----------------*--------------------------*

and this would of course be stored over all servers. Like your player profile (you keep your items when you switch servers, right?)

[grizzled radish]

Honestly having the client side Chests would be nice in general since playing with friends would be more fun seeing what they would get from their loot and that your are not straight up stealing the chest from them or other players

So I definitely am fully up for a change like this, would make me want to loot run again even though I sold all of my gear

[merry kiln]

my thoughts on it are

1. yes absolutely

2. ehh just do 1.

3. no idea but waiting 3h for chests would be an absolute nightmare + imagine not already looting the entire world smh

[cedar lava]

the thing about waiting for chests is that most are absolutely dogwater. having a lot of chests or not waiting a long time for one isn't exactly anything to write home about. i'd rather chests be a genuine rare reward rather than fodder you pass along because it's a few emeralds

most loot i get is just random drops from enemies than it's chests most of the time, so actually incentivizing looking for chest spots is good

i think all the points brought up are excellent

[woven bone]

I wish they would add “world bosses” that have a chance to drop mythics so people who like to kill things have a more sustainable way to “loot run” that’s not boring as hell.

[iron crane]

Why dont u also make lr a bit more fun

Like a monster spawns when u open chest

[iron crane]

Yeah afyer u open a chest

Or like the az rune. When u open chest u have to clixk the mythic

If u dont u fight a monsyer, winner keeps all(u lose all ur lr gear if u die to lvl 50 boss)

(50 is low if u have gear)

[rapid bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035046741227077672/1062436128516476949/image.gif

[drowsy wigeon]

lots of loot caves have bosses at the end already

[blissful stump]

camping market is for people who live under a rock

or people who don't have a life

[fervent harbor]

well i live on a rock.

[blissful stump]

same! it's this big giant rock called earth

[wet epoch]

That would be annoying and also you could just run away from the monster

[hasty zodiac]

Personally I don't lootrun because it annoys me to no end that the best moneymaking method by far is opening chests (I don't know how it could've been more boring honestly), but assuming that isn't going to change I'd say these sound like really good changes.

[wet epoch]

CT say that they want to buff other methods and nerf LRing so newbies don’t feel forced to do it if they want mythics

[hasty zodiac]

that sounds amazing

[wet epoch]

Also LRing isn’t the best money making methods, its just the most popular

[hasty zodiac]

it's more prevalent than it should be

and I guess that grinding ingredients and mob grinding might be better, they're still not great compared to lring

[wet epoch]

The best moneymakers should take you to interesting content, kind of like Runescape where the some of the best gold per hour is doing Slayer bosses, which are some of the hardest and most well designed bosses in the game

Or Guild Wars 2 where t4 Fractals make you a crap ton of gold compared to most everything else

t4 Fractals are also some of the most challenging and well designed content in GW2

[hasty locust]

best way to farm money solo in wynncraft : get a shaman 100, buy hero+ rank and farm mt wynn spider pit with stealing & horseman, making you farm the daily totems you have everyday at a 27le/hour rate...
Hardest content of the game for sure (seriously, why did it not get a quick patch ? it's been a month and a half that kmaxi did a video on it, does ct not care about the market inflation making mythics less and less available to new players that only did quests and anyone that doesn't wanna lootrun ?)

forget about that it's been 2 weeks that I didn't farm there and they apparently patched it, thank you

[unique path]

Sounds cool

[hallow dew]

wow a money making method that you can only do once per day and is incredibly dogshit without totems wonderful!

[hasty locust]

yea I needed money for a quetza, it only took me 10h playtime and those were the most boring hours I spent on the game

[tawny pulsar]

it's a really ass way of making money

spend 100 dollars for champion and then you only have 1 hour of uptime

and where tf is 27 le/hr from

the only thing kmaxi video did was inflate galloping spurs price

[hasty locust]

What I personnaly farmed using this method

to be exact I was farming about 12 500 emeralds per totem

that means 150k emeralds per hour, and 36 le per hour, mb

[woven bone]

Ik off topic but I wish they would let stealing effect green mobs. I use to make 3 le an hour by stealing from the dwarves in thanidos

[tawny pulsar]

macros automatically farming town npcs:

[hasty locust]

oh god even worse

stealing is a dangerous id anyway

[woven bone]

It’s funny. I only like it for the idea of greed builds. I think it would be fun if they were buffed semi. It’s rough because bosses will only drop I think like 6-9 emeralds max. I wish they would change that mechanic but only for bosses that don’t spawn minions. Small complaint.

[hasty locust]

problem is, farming money without adding any valuable things to your farming just makes prices go up over time, nothing else

[hasty locust]

yea but if you let mobs give you infinite money at a slow rate with stealing you leave opened the door for all the afk farming methods you'd think of

but I agree that this is sad

[woven bone]

I agree completely. I miss my old apocalypse scarlet veil stealing build. It was the most fun I ever had fighting bosses Ngl

[celest wing]

yo McPlayHD plays wynncraft? Big fan of your server

[mental lichen]

so wait would you have to wait 3 hours to get t3+ chests

[wet epoch]

T3+ chest weekly gonna be fun with that change

[midnight badger]

delete lootrunning

[burnt roost]

True

[woven bone]

True and based

[errant brook]

phat W

i mean honestly this entire suggestion is just based

pitting every lootrunner on wynncraft against each other to get the best chests will make people toxic at times (including myself in the past)

so yeah, individualizing chests and removing the concept of a "best chest" (besides the tier, obviously) would pretty much entirely solve this

[unique path]

🙀

[woven bone]

Imo of forgery was the most mega way to get mythics I think the health of the game/endgame would be much much better. This would mean a semi rework to the forge system not needing everything else into the ground.

[burnt roost]

yeah lootrunning should just not be a thing in my imo

[iron crane]

In my imo

Smh my head 🤦‍♂️

[burnt roost]

fr real

[wet epoch]

Me when Lawndale tells someone they have bad grammar

[iron crane]

Me when what r u on abt(grammar?) and my grammar is fine?

[wet epoch]

Your grammar sucks

[iron crane]

I wiuldnt say repeating words is grammar

[iron crane]

Example? I would say my spellibg maybe bu thats cause phone

[wet epoch]

Ah I confused you with someone else

Also I use a phone how do you mess up spelling so much

[iron crane]

Idk

I dont like to waste rime and delete. I figure peopple can understand

[tawny pulsar]

autocorrect exists

[merry kiln]

i can read it just fine so shrug

[woven bone]

Omg this has de railed so far. Back to lootrunning please. I would like to hear what CT ideas are. I would still like to put out there I wish forgery was the most “meta” way to get mythics. I feel that would be the best for the “health” of the game/endgame

[burnt roost]

I hate avos

[iron crane]

What do you think delete means

[hasty locust]

yea sorry bout that

[iron crane]

Theyre side thoughts that i couldnt fit into thr sentence in time

O damg those parenthesis arent that bad huh

[hasty locust]

out of the context of the thread, if you wanna talk about this just lemme ignore you in dms instead of here

[iron crane]

Actually very in context

Im replying to you

[hasty locust]

ok good, now that you can't reply to a deleted message just stop talking here, it's not the place
and stop being dumb, thanks

[iron crane]

Oops biadzok dumdum had to delete msg?

[wet epoch]

Omfg Lawndale drop it

[woven bone]

This is what I would classify as “thread shitposting” if I were a mod I’d warn/give you a cool down. I’m gonna try again, can we get back on topic for this thread please.

[midnight badger]

staff impersonation; muted

[woven bone]

This is why I leave this discord for weeks at a time. Even the staff treat this place like a fucking joke

[errant brook]

seethe

[wet epoch]

1. She’s not a mod 2. Seethe

This thread wasn’t a shitpost until a certain someone decided to be an asshole (Not talking about you specifically)

[woven bone]

Imagine being able to have a mature reaction to trying to get a topic back on track

For Wynn players seems like quest level impossible

[woven bone]

Her reaction is still highly immature.

[wet epoch]

You take this way too seriously

[woven bone]

1. Shitposting in general is annoying 2. Shitposting by a member of staff/ct doesn’t make it funny/better just because they are staff 3. When members of higher authority like that normalize shit posting it only get worse from those who want to abuse it and be annoying. If you’re staff and really feel the need to shit post, go in an alt.

[wet epoch]

This is a Minecraft MMORPG with volunteers as the staff

And also staff in other way bigger projects shitpost all the time

[woven bone]

I don’t see how that changes anything, this server makes thousands of $ the staff team should hold themselves to some respect for their IP

[wet epoch]

Expecting staff to be 100% professional 100% of the time when they aren’t paid is bullshit

[woven bone]

If you can’t take it seriously then why be staff??? That doesn’t make sense.

By taking that on you take on the responsibility of being an authority figure. That’s not some joke.

[wet epoch]

Hmm yes staff take themselves very seriously

Salted doesn’t care if staff shitpost as long as they do their job, have you seen his message history

[woven bone]

No I haven’t stalked salted msg history

[wet epoch]

Its really funny

[woven bone]

I don’t think it’s wild to say that there should be an effort to have threads taken more seriously and staff team trolling only hurts the health of those actually trying to have a conversation.

[wet epoch]

There is an effort, most threads are serious discussions

[woven bone]

Like this should be in the trolling thread not lootrunning

All I wanted was to get the topic but to lootrunning Jesus christs

[wet epoch]

You tried to backseat mod a server and then judge staff

Staff rightfully called you out

[woven bone]

Don’t agree at all but no eat your cake and have it too, I wouldn’t have to say anything if the thread was taken seriously in the first place

Rightly Called out? That’s wildly inappropriate

[wet epoch]

Dude you obviously haven’t seen discussions in other forums and how they are moderated

Honestly these posts look like diamonds compared to WoW forum posts

[woven bone]

Yes let’s not address our own problems cause somewhere else it’s worse. Makes a lot of sense.

It’s wild to me that saying staff trolling is inappropriate somehow is getting me hate.

Like ok just enable an awful shitposting garbage community where and serious conversation is covered by endless L + Ratio + no one cares. Feels like an amazing places to try to foster a conversation. Wild to me that I want to avoid something like that.

[lunar barn]

How would you want this? There aren’t any truely endgame items in Wynn, getting a mythic isn’t like getting a Tbow. So you would have to nerf LRing and buff some boss alter up to a similar LE/h as previously attainable with LRing which would piss off that whole community and devalue their gear. Additionally the wynn community is a lot less tryhard/committed than runescape, i don’t think 99% of the players want to grind the equivalent of CG or 300+ TOA as their main money.

[wet epoch]

It would not piss off the whole community because most people hate lootrunning

Its a very common sentiment for people to want LRing to be nerfed or removed entirely

[lunar barn]

are even LRers ready for it to stop being meta? damn people must hate it. I was a lot more active about 2 years back on wynn and LRing wasn’t cancer

[wet epoch]

Its not fun, its not engaging

And half of the LR community gets pissed when you don't use the optional discord

[lunar barn]

idk it kinda makes sense with the awful chest system that you’d want to document when worlds were run

[wet epoch]

LRing is inherently anti-community and anti MMO

[lunar barn]

how is it anti mmo?

[wet epoch]

It forces players to fight eachother over chests and loot in a non-pvp gamemode

It causes more in-fighting in the community than pvp does

I met more toxic LRers than any other gamemode type

[lunar barn]

fair enough

[hasty locust]

I've never been more toxic than when I was doing lootruns, more than half the time I spent lootrunning was waiting for chests then finding that it just got looted by a random that doesn't uses discord to avoid that

the only solution people found to avoid these is by keeping lootruns private to lessen the ammount of people that does those lootrun
here we have lootrunners that benefits from just having the good contacts in wynncraft, and the rest that doesn't have access to those farming methods just from not being in the good groups...
Only exception i've seen being lootrun path trusted role that doesn't seem to go in that way

[wet epoch]

The issue is that some players don’t even know Lootrun discord exists, especially for level 80-90 zones, a lot of newbies don’t know about LR discord and are just exploring and finding cool chests

You know LRing is bad when you’re basically forced to use an external Discord if you want to have a chance at consistent good runs

[errant brook]

last time i checked, clowns were meant to entertain children and not wynncraft discord users

[blissful stump]

me when the "staff" team is a bunch of volunteers

[woven bone]

@bright lily

[woven bone]

@hasty locust

[bright lily]

That message made you search up a feedback thread that hadn't had a single message in 2 months?

[woven bone]

Yes I thought it was ironic she was the person who made that thread. I thought it was pretty relevant

[bright lily]

in that thread she was talking about people making entire threads that were just jokes, such as "delete wynncraft" or something similar

[woven bone]

This doesn’t have to happen here, I think trolling in general in inappropriate, staff shouldn’t be doing it at all imo. It’s crazy that that is a wild take

[hasty locust]

isn't that just some side effect of having trolls everywhere ?

I highly disagree with how buuns talked to her before but he's somehow kinda right

[bright lily]

we very much do moderate excessive trolling

such as when people are constantly off-topic

[woven bone]

So why was I met with “trolling” when I try to direct the conversation back to lootrunning, why enable this person just because they are staff

[bright lily]

she said a single message

[woven bone]

She literally continuing the problem as I’m trying to take the effort to have the conversation be serious. Why is that rewarded, to me it’s wildly inappropriate and disrespectful the player base who takes this server seriously.

[bright lily]

It is not rewarded, we just don't punish very small amounts of trolling

[hasty locust]

would be hell on earth to do so in this server

[bright lily]

when it starts to become a problem we do moderate, and if you think people are going offtopic you can mention a moderator to try and get the conversation back on topic, not dtry to do it yourself

[woven bone]

By not punishing it you are normalizing it! That’s the whole point, she is staff, she should know better, these people should be community leaders not the people propagating it’s problems.

[bright lily]

Content team members are just community members who also happen to make the content for the server, they aren't community leaders

same with moderators

[woven bone]

Ct are a member of staff above the average player, they should know to hold them self more accountable knowing they have that position of power. I admittedly disagree with your last take.

[hasty locust]

and ther's probably not a single moderator who is willing to be as inflexible as you want them to be. good luck (you really should calm down and accept it)
btw, we're off topic

[woven bone]

Exactly why I made a thread for this but imagine the exact problem I’m trying to address is happening. I’m done talking about this in this thread. TLDR trolling is annoying and shouldn’t be normalized by anyone

Back to lootrunning I think the tldr is people are very tired of the system currently and the best suggestion I saw in the thread talked about either localized chests with much longer cooldowns so “world sniping” isn’t a thing or a revamp to the boss alter system so make them relevant again.

[unique path]

what do boss altars have to do with lootrunning

[woven bone]

Sorry wrong thread there nothing about boss alters in this one I forgot what thread I read the idea in, this one is only basically talking about localized chest

[candid ferry]

…so, you go on a whole rant about derailing threads… while derailing a thread.

[errant brook]

doom

[tawny pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653799011676979200/1022065805996855326/image0-202.gif

keep embed failing goodbye

[blissful stump]

hi i hate lootrunning as of 24/1/23 please change it

salted if you see this please change lootrunning to have client sided chests

[burnt roost]

salted if you see that please delete profs

[woven bone]

^

[wet epoch]

Please delete Salttroll it promotes trolling

And also please delete Lootrun discord

[bleak turtle]

yes if these changes would be made we could delete that Discord or at least the #planning-room

[errant brook]

yes

pleas

[errant brook]

add this

[errant brook]

or i will be forced to step in 😈

[wet epoch]

Step in then

[bleak turtle]

YAYY thanks Salted!