Ability Tree Archetype Masteries

[mellow warren]

Ability Tree Masteries
Add Archetype Masteries to the Ability Tree.

What is a Mastery?
Masteries are a final ability that a player can unlock when they have unlocked every ability in an archetype. Each archetype has three masteries to choose from, being able to choose one out of the three. These can range from completely new abilities to buffing existing abilities, but they will each change a different aspect of how you play with that archetype.

What do these achieve? / Why add them?
At the moment, people tend to pick and choose abilities from different archetypes. This, in itself, is not a problem whatsoever. However, it leads to a very standardized meta of abilities from 2-3 archetypes being used, and other abilities having a much lower pick rate. The aim of masteries is to provide buffs to putting most, if not all, of your ability points into a single tree and letting players choose their playstyle of that tree.

The example masteries I've made aim to specialize players into the different roles typically associated with their archetype. For instance, Light Bender has a damage-based mastery, a support-based mastery, and a hybrid-based mastery. Keep in mind, these are only examples, so they're not particularly balanced. They're mainly to showcase the idea as a whole.

Thanks to @cinder viper and the people in #🌎wynncraft who helped with balancing the concepts out a bit.

Now for the part you're probably here for:
The masteries themselves!

Below are a few masteries I created for various archetypes. Feel free to give feedback on individual ones, but also let me know what you think of the concept itself.

[lusty karma]

first

[mellow warren]

upvote then

[lusty karma]

no

[mellow warren]

😭

[lusty karma]

🐔

[ripe jewel]

Cool idea

[silent trench]

🐴

[mellow warren]

🐱

@lusty karma pin the post 😭

[lusty karma]

add the donkey

thanks idk how to +1 it though

[silent trench]

bro who deleted my donkey

[lusty karma]

sorry

[marsh pike]

When do we get to see an idea for Trickster

[novel nebula]

assassin 👎

[valid gorge]

another quality post from sir cmt

[carmine edge]

super cool idea

[keen pike]

cmt never misses

except when he does

[mellow warren]

i had an idea and i might post here later

[marsh pike]

Hype hype hype <33

[golden forge]

very cool (other than gnashed debuff dealing 600% dps on its own)

[undone nova]

mammoth

is cool but power creep 😭

[golden forge]

also we love tying specific skill points to archetypes !!!!!

marked for death dexterity locked !!!!

[mellow warren]

backstab does a critical hit

iirc

[golden forge]

no?

it does extra damage from behind but that is seperate from dex crits

[mellow warren]

maybe i read wrong but it looked to me that it did a critical hit when you get a backstab

[fathom ocean]

Cool idea for when Fruma releases and we might get more ability points to use, I really like the concept but some of these abilities are weird and dont really have synergy with the rest of the arquetypes

[golden forge]

no but if that is what you meant then it is cool

[mellow warren]

the intention was to make it interact with critical hits from backstab and spin attack and whatnot

but also work for other classes' critical hits (both dex and ability)

[golden forge]

it definitely should not interact with dex

would be way too broken

you get like 7 marks so uh

that is a lot of damage to add to a whole party

[mellow warren]

the point is to buff having a single archetype rather than multiple archetypes

[fathom ocean]

I know, the concept is cool but some of the abilities aint it

[mellow warren]

max is 6 afaik

[golden forge]

either way

not like it rly matters it's just a small thing

[fathom ocean]

Alternatively, a lot of classes already have endgame abilities which can only be used if a player fully specs into that archetype, like fallen's blood pact, you could just buff those endgame abilities to make them more useful

[golden forge]

tbh I think a lot of the final abilities don't rly work that well with archetype identities anyways so I wouldn't worry abt that

[red palm]

wow this is actually pretty cool

i like that this attempts to give a bigger incentive to full archetypes, and the concepts for what some of the masteries could be are neat too

good quality post imo

[tidal bay]

Worthy of a forum post

[reef wedge]

#🌎wynncraft people balancing moment

[mellow warren]

linny was main source of balancing

#🌎wynncraft was more for just if the concept was cool or not

[barren ether]

The summoner mastery making one of the triple totems turn into a giant golem like

[edgy trench]

This would be dope +1

[hearty heath]

These abilities are quite cool

Salted would never

[mellow warren]

do not the cow 🤯

surely i can shitpost in my own thread

[hearty heath]

Tbf some of them are a little bit out there in pushing game mechanics but nonetheless would be huge Ws for interesting ability design and gameplay rather than some of the current ones

[hearty heath]

Locked thread

[mellow warren]

I'd rather have some of the concepts be less feasible but have cool changes to abilities than vice versa

I'll probably make a few more masteries and post the concepts here

[hearty heath]

Yes

[mellow warren]

since many of the ones that are named in "blocked abilities" were intended to be made

e.g. Bear Trap

[random pewter]

ah so this is the context for alpha of the pack the other day lol

i like it

[lusty karma]

i had to tell someone in #❓questions that these were in fact not real

[hearty heath]

We do a little trolling

[mellow warren]

[hidden breach]

shatter the earth + idol

[mellow warren]

it does have a cooldown, but the charge in any direction is good for idol

[hidden breach]

fly into the skies and get a paladin to sit there for 5 minutes while you stack 100000% damage

[mellow warren]

40 blocks max

[hidden breach]

cant believe this

[mellow warren]

1984

[modest moss]

this is a really good suggestion if they ever plan to expand ability tree for fruma+ level content

some of the abilities are a bit gimmicky or niche it seems but the general idea is there

imo the best ones here (not just viability) are marked for death superiority of the skies and alpha of the pack

[barren ether]

Or just expand on summoning more stuff with summoner

[modest moss]

why does that have to be independent of this suggestion

[barren ether]

A summoner mastery

[modest moss]

ok?

[vale sorrel]

+20 minions 💀

[abstract spear]

Ultimate abilities but actually good

[barren ether]

Oh great monkeys paw please give summoner an actually good ultimate / a buff revert from the latest patch on effigies but not puppets since it’s fine right now

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-paw-simpsons-wish-gif-22682473

[lusty karma]

wish granted but warrior and archer get a 30% damage boost

[barren ether]

And assassin?

[novel nebula]

-70% damage

[jade juniper]

i love these masteries and they sound really cool if released together with the level cap increase

but some of those really need to be rebalanced

not as in numbers, but e.g. lightbender abilities kind of show that you didnt play the class

[mellow warren]

lightbender is the only one i play lol

[jade juniper]

huh.

[mellow warren]

at least do tna with

[jade juniper]

well

of course these need to be rebalanced and all but i have a bit of criticism about all three

[mellow warren]

the masteries themselves aren't 100% what i'm suggesting. moreso just the general foundation of a system that allows what i'm showing off

[jade juniper]

servant of light and binding light sound cool until you realize that your main source of lightweaver orbs is healing your ophanims

yeah im aware but i feel the irresistable compulsion to talk about them anyways

[mellow warren]

healing ophanim doesn't count towards your lightweaver, only healing your own health

[jade juniper]

it does

ophanims have health, and healing them is counted towards all your other abilities like lightweaver and fortitude

[mellow warren]

ah, interesting that isn't properly described in the ability description

[jade juniper]

lightfield sounds strong but then it would be really hard to constantly upkeep all 11 light orbs (you'd have to heal 550% of your max hp in 10 seconds which is almost double the amount for sunflare)

[mellow warren]

i'll ask linny to fix that

[jade juniper]

yeah thats fair

[mellow warren]

lightfield is pretty poorly worded. the general gist was meant to be that it would +2 per trigger of lightweaver

[jade juniper]

ah fair

[mellow warren]

so the max would be 9, and the first 50% you heal would create 3, 100% creates 6, etc.

a lot of them suffer from bad wording but that's also because the method of creating them i have to manually enter line breaks myself

[mellow warren]

[barren ether]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[lusty karma]

ritualist when it

[tight hare]

This is cool but wouldnt it heavily discourage archetype hybridization? and isnt that like one of the main concepts that salted wanted to exist when they were designing the AT?

[mellow warren]

it's to add an incentive to go into a single archetype rather than picking and choosing

picking and choosing creates 1-2 metas for a class and there is no real reward for getting everything in an archetype

[random pewter]

^ some arches like sharpshooter have absolutely zero reason to full invest into the tree (mostly cause crepu is not only bad but actually negatively impactful) so a powerful final ability would help round out the options

i have never seen someone unironically run trapper, it's basically there for implosion, people who like hook, people who like dogs and bryophite roots is kinda cool so it's like the goat archer arche to mix with just not fully use

wonder how the AP cost would work though, since some fully invested trees cost more than others, mastery cost could be dependent on the archetype and give you like one or two points remaining to grab some cheaper cost or other misc abilities

[grim moat]

this cool

[mellow warren]

100 s

[lusty karma]

😦

[gritty swan]

I like running paladin but need to take uppercut damage + ragnarok because damage too low and base war scream just isn't that great
i'd wish there was a defensive counterpart but that would be too good

[molten hatch]

Me, currently with 110 dex shadestepper:

[random pewter]

here’s a probably dumb one by me

Twain’s Ballista
If you have 5+ Focus, Twain’s Arc will power up (changes shape and color to signify). Casting Phantom Ray with Twain’s Ballista charged will increase its speed and range, and Arrow Bomb will travel much faster and leave a Fire Creep trail over any height.

no idea what numbers would look like because balancing is not my thing lol

just thought of something that would make twain’s arc a spellspam ability and make phantom ray a stronger ranged option, as it can be easy to miscalculate distance and lose focus using it on moving targets

[lusty karma]

honestly it's really not hard to keep focus if you can realize you have ping and aim ahead of moving targets

• twain's arc is hitscan so you can hit anything within your render distance

[random pewter]

Stay Focused: Missed attacks will lose -2 Focus instead of resetting count. (maybe also something like negative effect immunity as well)

under the assumption you would have 7 focus being required to grab it this could matter a decent amount

[random pewter]

hmm yeah maybe making the spells just go faster and reach farther doesn’t match very well with an instant attack with no range limit aside from render distance

[kind notch]

you can make it turn arrow bomb a hitscan as well instead of a regular projectile speed boost

[random pewter]

seems a little strong but i guess you are also standing still or slowing yourself down by charging arc

[lusty karma]

something like channeling twain's arc and casting arrow storm/bomb makes it hitscan with the same range as twain's arc (64 blocks)

and would be great if it worked with grapple too 😱

[kind notch]

grapple gonna be tp on steroids it's perfect

[kind notch]

ok unironically tho i don't think it's too strong, hitscan is basically the fastest a projectile can get

so it's basically a projectile speed buff

[random pewter]

yeah

honestly would be pretty fitting to just stand still in the arena constantly firing off hitscan shots

[kind notch]

yeah that's honestly how i imagine sharpshooter gameplay would be, instead of mobile spellspammer

[random pewter]

grappling hook would be so funny

phantom ray having low range is what bugs me the most about sharpshooter honestly

or at least, lower than you’d expect on the ranged archetype

[kind notch]

early game, making its range higher than 16 blocks feels op, but range buffs in later upgrades is defo a nice idea

[random pewter]

also technical lack of movement when like you say it’s glorified mobile spellspam is odd

slinger gets the speed upgrades, hook is trapper but you can still take it

[kind notch]

well maybe i just dk what I'm talking about 💀 i don't play archer at all

i do see lots of archers with high ws regardless of archetype, tho that's just bc of builds

but yeah i wish having low ws is more viable late game, especially for archers

being mobile don't got that sniper-y feel to it

[hidden breach]

im annoyed that stronger hook is locked behind 5 trapper archtype

[random pewter]

yeah same it seems so unnecessary for better movement

being late in the tree is fine but the req is high

[lusty karma]

agree

[random pewter]

probably should be its own suggestion but i feel like fire mastery should be a trappa arche as it’s fairly fitting and sharp already has an extra arche point from the power/double shots split

[raw sphinx]

its pretty clear the community wants this lol

[twilit swallow]

That's just due to how the class works

I mean compared to classes like warrior/assassin who have to actually get close, and Shaman/Mage which whilst aren't nearly as bad still have to get somewhat close, archer can just proc ms from Pluto

For other classes its moreso a preference thing I feel like, and even for archer I've seen some people who prefer hybriding mr and ms instead of going all out on one stat

[kind notch]

what is a pluto

[twilit swallow]

Something that's far away from Earth

[kind notch]

good answer

(i genuinely don't know what pluto is in wynncraft)

ig what you're saying is people just prefer high ms overall, and not bc it's meta?

ms movement speed btw not mana steal

[tight hare]

wtf

[twilit swallow]

Oh I'm dumb

[tight hare]

okay dont use ms as movement speed

[kind notch]

i am sorry

[tight hare]

use ws = walk speed

[kind notch]

that's the abbreviation i was looking for thank you

[twilit swallow]

Yeah Movement Speed is pretty important, though I feel like its mainly because TNA is the only endgame content that matters currently

And it demands a lot of ws unless you're either Bolt or Monk

[tight hare]

ws was not important at all when tcc was endgame

same with the eye

[kind notch]

yeah tcc requires no ws at all, making sniper gameplay actually viable

ig meta just changes like that

[mellow warren]

tbf i do this as well

formulaically making the most broken thing ever then getting pure immunity to criticism by saying "i cannot balance"

but tbh i think it's better to make a cool idea and make it a bit tamer than to make an idea that is so boring it is not fun to use

also thanks for 140 s

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dancing-meme-dancing-cat-white-cat-meme-gif-24092585

[tight hare]

hooray!

[jade juniper]

crep ray but it multiplies your dps by 20

[topaz crypt]

interesting

[jade juniper]

right now crep ray fires 20 arrows per second, with each dealing 40% of your dps

thats uh

8000% dps, accumulating to a total damage of 56x your dps over 7 seconds

with each arrow dealing 100% damage instead it would be a total of 140x your dps

...which on a divzer (1197 dps) would still be less than 2 arrow storms

[hidden breach]

crep ray not be outclassed by boltslinger challenge

[random pewter]

and there’s still the issue of the arrows being very prone to missing

[mellow warren]

i don't like archetypes where the entirety of your kit revolves around a single spell

[mellow warren]

150 s

[random pewter]

[random pewter]

archer actually does a decent job of giving every archetype varied kits, but some of them definitely have bigger roles.

-boltslinger has all of the chaotic arrow storm upgrades, and changes arrow shield to guardian angels. escape has stormy feet and escape artist, while bomb arrow gets shrapnel bomb, but i count those less as nothing about the spell is significantly upgraded or uniquely changed.

-sharpshooter has phantom ray/crepu ray on arrow storm, and i would argue shocking bomb and scorched earth are good enough changes to make arrow bomb a little more unique.

-trapper is definitely the idd one. it gets a lot of the arrow bomb upgrades and also sets the traps, and gets grappling hook on escape which is unique but it’s hard to give that one to just trapper. arrow storm is quite lackluster, only getting bryophite roots and otherwise being weak, and arrow shield has call of the hound which is cool i guess. (also has more shields and better arrow shields on its tree path, not listed as trapper archetype though.)

[mellow warren]

sharpshooter is just pretty one dimensional to me. seems like all risk no reward since the % damage you get from attacking with main attack is outpaced by other archetypes

especially with high ping where hitting an accurate shot at range is pretty difficult since (for me) it's 0.3s behind where i'm aiming

[random pewter]

yeah i don’t like how simple it is right now, though ironically it also happens to be pretty frequently used

it’s basically just typical spellspam but instead of missing resulting in a few seconds of dps lost, you reset your whole buildup

since focus is balanced around you always having it instead of high amounts being above average damage

[novel nebula]

As cool as this whole thing is, does anyone else see this as just an extra complicated layer of balancing?

[barren ether]

on gobb but can we at least make shepard better and have it be a third summon

[novel nebula]

^

[hearty heath]

It just is "final red abilities but if they were cooler" yeah

But still cool ideas so

[barren ether]

Just like the third summoner summon-

[random pewter]

yeah to be honest if the final red abilities on each tree were stronger this wouldn’t need to exist, but they’re mostly just on par with the rest of the abilities

that’s what causes the meta to lean towards hybrid trees, since you aren’t skipping out on a massively powerful ability, just an average to pretty solid ability for being able to choose all the good ones from other trees as well

[barren ether]

Like the third summoner summon that makes summoner more cool and unique

[hidden breach]

you should make boltslinger ones

[mellow warren]

but the next suggestion 🙀

[gilded axle]

4 ability points is mad lol

[mellow warren]

186 s

[raw sphinx]

that amount of likes are sexy

[barren ether]

187

[mellow warren]

bump just while i work on something

[barren ether]

a summoner buff you work on?

[mellow warren]

#1072438077643034645

[raw sphinx]

Bumpussy

[novel nebula]

i disagree

[river heron]

Absolutely love this idea!

[molten hatch]

i feel like i should ping salted when we get to 200

[lusty karma]

nope

[mellow warren]

housing qol came true can't wait for masteries 🥰

[random pewter]

one day

[mellow warren]

190 😼

[molten hatch]

how is this happening

[hearty heath]

SirCmt summoning 190 unnamed players to like his post:

[novel nebula]

so true

[mellow warren]

channelling 10 more

[mellow warren]

get to 200 for Fruma release 😁

[hidden breach]

give more mastery ideas first..,,.,

[old kiln]

w

[barren ether]

5 till 200