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#lvl >100 vs 90-100 weapons
tight pawn
red topaz
Sure
red topaz
What is the y axis? Base dps?
stable ibex
yeah
tight pawn
yes
red topaz
Mhmm alright
tight pawn
baselines stop at 100 because they currently stop increasing at lvl 100
so you could draw a horizontal line from lvl 100 if you want
void trellis
All I have to say is that the highest level shaman and mage mythics aren’t even top 3 in their classes
tight pawn
well as I said
currently item power creep stops at level 100
from lvl 100 upwards they are currently just adding more variety
void trellis
Variety ≠ better
tight pawn
If it continues like this (which is what I expect, it's the much easier and much player-friendly approach) there's no reason to worry about mythics
tight pawn
on the other hand
void trellis
I don’t understand what point you’re arguing
Don’t you also agree that below lv 100 mythics are better
tight pawn
depends on what you want
void trellis
???
tight pawn
I don’t understand what point you’re arguing
someone said that all mythics will become worthless when fruma releases
my point is that it looks like items will stop becoming stronger at lvl 100
red topaz
If the level cap is raised by 20-30 or something there's a chance level 120-130 mythics will have higher base dps
tight pawn
so mythics wont become worthless
void trellis
Quetz and immo aren’t top for anything in their classes there’s literally better options for heal dps and spell for all of them
tight pawn
they'll still be just as good
red topaz
Currently the level range for mythics is like 10 so doesn't really make a difference, if the increase in level req is 20+, i won't be surprised if they just have much higher dps
tight pawn
Quetz and immo aren’t top for anything in their classes there’s literally better...
quetz is best for fast hybrid, immo is best for ehp, conv is just a (really good) filler between idol and guardian on the dps <-> tankyness scale, oblivion does get pretty good dps but obviously not as good as cata, epoch clearly is the best melee bow since it's the only mythic melee bow
red topaz
Currently the level range for mythics is like 10 so doesn't really make a differ...
Like with baby mythics for example
tight pawn
but it's not like they're better than <100 mythics just because they have a higher level
I currently see no reason to expect current mythics to become worthless and replaced by new mythics when fruma drops.
void trellis
quetz is best for fast hybrid, immo is best for ehp, conv is just a (really good...
Argue that singu and warp are prob better and immo as far as useful hadal and abso are better
I’m a convergence enjoyer so I’ll let that one slide
tight pawn
well singu is different
deep oasis
I’m a convergence enjoyer so I’ll let that one slide
sorry for your loss 💀
void trellis
quetz hybrid typically has around +150% ws
Combat warp
tight pawn
is that actually meta now
tight pawn
I havent seen a single meta warp build yet
I always liked making them as a concept but in the end they usually didnt outperform fatal or quetz
void trellis
Personally don’t use it cause I don’t have a warp but ik friends who run tna with me and can easily solo boss due to just running around and a ton of mr/arcane
tight pawn
well easily soloing doesnt say too much about being meta
Monster also can easily solo but certainly isn't top meta for mage
void trellis
I can’t tell you when I ever saw ppl bring quetz or fatal to raids let alone solo the boss
void trellis
Monster also can easily solo but certainly isn't top meta for mage
Best solo war weapon debatabley
tight pawn
I can’t tell you when I ever saw ppl bring quetz or fatal to raids let alone sol...
warp is more common than quetz
since many players already have one for lootrunnings and then also seek for other uses
void trellis
Well ppl still look for warp now more even after 2.0
tight pawn
They die in 5 seconds
usually they dont
even 0 int fatal has cheap tps to keep distance
tight pawn
and fatal also often has good ws
void trellis
Warp is literally spam spell and hold s
tight pawn
so as long as players either walk or tp they often dont get caught
tight pawn
Warp is literally spam spell and hold s
and you have to be careful so you dont step into void holes
void trellis
Damage output is better than you would expect as well
void trellis
and you have to be careful so you dont step into void holes
Run around the edge
tight pawn
Damage output is better than you would expect as well
oh I dont expect bad dmg from warp
It always had good dmg
I assume people use arcanist with it?
void trellis
Yea
tight pawn
to fix the mana
void trellis
That makes it even more valid
tight pawn
so the only problem is the hpr
void trellis
You literally don’t have to stop spamming spells
Imo skill issue if you die
But ig that does counteract the point of it being super good
Mmm I couldn’t tell you cause I haven’t used all of these weapons
tight pawn
Imo skill issue if you die
being reliable is one of the most important things for a good raiding build
when a simple 5 second lag spike kills you you cant expect reliable solos, those happen quite often
void trellis
Crafted idol is debatably the best build for tna but it’s low ehp it really comes down to also being good at the game
tight pawn
so rage warp that doesnt cancel the hpr for example certainly isnt viable
void trellis
Crafted idol is debatably the best build for tna but it’s low ehp it really come...
^ just an example
tight pawn
but some combat warp builds cancel the hpr and then it's usually fine
resu warp also exists 
void trellis
Yea