buff tna rewards?!? wtffff dude

[fringe hawk]

1-3 le, t5 powders, and 0 t3 mats for 5-10 minutes of HARDCORE gaming... got me messed up. Literally unplayable, please fix it thank you.

if agree
if disagree

[fluid mural]

[still ember]

HARDCORE gaming…

[tawny gorge]

yeah it should be able to rival lootrunning, the fact that opening chests (the most boring possible activity in this game) is the best way to get loot is embarrassing, combat should be at least a good way of making bank

[sonic breach]

buffing rewards to 2-3le could be discussed but i dont see the things that already exist getting better again other than that

in terms of t3s, the only way dernic t3s would be put into the loot table is if fruma ends up having a resource tier above dernic's 110 so as to not screw over the profession side of the game by making it basically obsolete. we don't know if there will be these resources yet.

[fluid mural]

do you understand that this is a troll?

[fringe hawk]

nah, i was half serious when i made the post

[fluid mural]

lol

[runic copper]

i cant believe 15 people disagree

[fringe hawk]

18 likes 0 dislikes 💪

[whole apex]

Prof revamp when…… grant us the t3 mats….

[fringe hawk]

true.. me when i level mining from 100-110 and only get 10 t3 voidstone ingots

[wise lily]

Yes dude!! Buff it..

[wide leaf]

What if gathering profs got much easier to level and chances were greatly buffed? So gathering profs are just a way to get materials but it's easier to make money from crafting high quality stuff

[sonic breach]

what will happen if you make the game give a shitload of rare materials is that the materials become. no longer rare

oh i see what you’re saying nvm

that could be an idea but something i was thinking of was making the health gaps between material tiers a lot less so the only major difference would be dura

and then some recipes wouldn’t require as much and just use t2. that being said i want to keep at least some value in tier 3 materials i think lol

[wide leaf]

well.. dura is the main point why you use higher tiers already, even with the high health gap

If t3 mats became widely available crafted builds would become more accessible = more people would buy them = proffers can sell more

They would not make less profit since they usually just buy the materials anyway so they pay let's say 10 LE less for materials and sell the item for 10 LE less so their profit per piece is the same. They just sell more because more people can afford them so their total profit is higher.

Of course there are some who actually gather for money but... It's so inefficient (compared to lootrunning or even less efficient methods like ingredient grinding), when this money making method is gone it won't have a big impact.

So easily accessable t3 mats would also have a positive impact for proffers

[uneven osprey]

Real constructive feedback no way

[sonic breach]

yeah this is a pretty good argument

[sonic breach]

i think that if it happened it would be with some kind of differentiation between types of nodes though

so that there would be nodes that gave more materials/high tier materials and significantly decreased xp or whatever. unfortunately i have not heard anything about it being planned so

would be cool for it to exist tho

[tiny carbon]

more common tier 3s also really helps potion professions, with really the only downside of making tier 3 heal pots to easy to get (right now they are busted but its not really worth drinking an entire liquid emerald to heal instead of just using 2 normal potions that cost like 2 blocks)

[obtuse stag]

there is like an higher chance to find horses, that can't be ignored, also there are tomes where they aren't found in tcc

[whole apex]

Linny getting me hoped for prof changes but will they happen though…

[fringe edge]

how many le an hour does lootrunning make? (pure le?)

[tawny gorge]

shit if I know, I know people get a lot more LE with emerald pouches not to mention ingredients and other items like mythics

TNA gives what 2-3 LE and a chestnut horse if you're very lucky that's dropping in price like crazy

[fringe edge]

hmm ok

would think it'd be more effective to add more rare drops instead then

adding money would just make the mythics more expensive no? D:

[tawny gorge]

that's also an idea, I don't think making TNA LE a half decent range is a bad idea, I honestly think combat should be a better way of earning money than spamming right click and opening chests which is possibly the most embarrassing part of the game, if you wanna make money in this game you should have to you know.. play the game

[fringe edge]

mhm. I agree. more combat things should be like forgey

[tawny gorge]

I just wish we had longer more difficult content with better rewards

make dungeons into raid type things and amp raids a ton since raids are honestly what dungeons should've been in the first place

maybe not until like normal undergrowth or something, but have the dungeons get progressively harder, not get harder for a level 5, the fact that any dungeon besides MAYBE EO is extreme difficulty is wack af

[obtuse stag]

The biggest reason on why lootrunning is usually the best eme method is not because of the eme you pick up, but the items, more precisely mythics, you can find.
And when those are placed in the tm, that's when a lootrunner do jackpot.
The problem is that tna gives you raw le while lootrun work with market
And no matter how much you buff tna reward, no method can be better than working on the market

[tawny gorge]

.

an average lootrun and an average TNA run are not comparable, an insanely lucky lootrun and an insanely lucky tna run are not comparable, if you're really unlucky TNA might have the edge since it can't get sniped ig, but overall TNA or maybe the raid I'm assuming is coming out with Fruma should have rewards buffed so there are rarer more expensive items or a higher quantity of LE so that combat can be comparable to lootrunning

[bitter rock]

basic econ says the more money avaible the less value it has

[obtuse stag]

They can't be comparable
One gives you raw le from nothing
The other takes le from the market

Lootrun,profession and gathering will always make more than any other activity the game should allow you to grind, couse thise are all activity that work with market, and the le you get are le which have been traded by players and not generated, not creating futher inflation

[tawny gorge]

then maybe they should add another element to rewards in raids

[obtuse stag]

Quality of life rewards, kinda like the new set items

Given that they aren't the best they are still a reward you can get from grinding there

[sonic breach]

if i have free time and the ability to change shit

then. eventually maybe??

[sharp ledge]

Just put voidstone into tna for now even though it doesn't make sense in lore

[whole apex]

No it makes perfect sense

The raid is literally in the void

[sharp ledge]

truee

[bitter rock]

your giving all the proffers hope

[sonic breach]

no

just run tcc

[sharp ledge]

fuck tcc, its like no one even runs it

[sonic breach]

yeah so voidstone ingot prices go up

[sharp ledge]

yes kill price ty

[sonic breach]

run tcc : )))

[sharp ledge]

nope

not doing the shit quest.

[sonic breach]

guess voidstone ingots will continue to climb idk

[sharp ledge]

it will

[sonic breach]

in all seriousness im against adding them into tna, its a lazy reward anyways

[sharp ledge]

cause im buying 500 of them today

[sharp ledge]

but ye true tho i dont like them in tcc already lmao

[sonic breach]

xd

[sharp ledge]

id rather use dernics still

[dense path]

30 eb at best from experience

unless youre super lucky to find a decent mythic

[wide leaf]

only taking emeralds already makes much more than that

If you never take any items (but items greatly increase the profit)

[dense path]

bruh

What am i doing wrong ._.

[sonic breach]

probably opening awful chests

[signal magnet]

there are no good chests to open because all the worlds are looted

[sonic breach]

i added like a hundred last week

[signal magnet]

yeah that get opened aswell because everyone already knows about them

they got incorporated into already existing lootruns in like 2 days

[sonic breach]

ok

loot harder i guess,

[runic copper]

womp womp

[sharp ledge]

not enough

[sonic breach]

cope

[sharp ledge]

give us fruma lr ongod

[sonic breach]

for sure

[whole apex]

/lootrun load cmosierplains

[dense path]

bruh i only open servers which T1s have over 20 emeralds

[sly mirage]

this thread is pure cope

[fringe hawk]

nah

[wide leaf]

I remember a time where lootrunning wasnt the only viable money making method (still the fastest though), when actually playing the game and fighting hard content granted good rewards.

[sly mirage]

it still does 🤯

[wide leaf]

t6 powders went up from 2 EB to 16 EB 😭

I remember a time where it was viable to patch ele defs with t6 powders...

[sly mirage]

i dont get it whats your point

[tawny gorge]

so why is lootrunning getting buffed and TNA rewards are getting nerfed?

[sonic breach]

buffed?

[tawny gorge]

I really think it's an issue that you can't make decent money anymore from combat, powders becoming rare is fair, but someone said the rewards were like 1-1.5le average and that just isn't enough for it to be worth doing as a money grinding method. You should be able to make good money by doing something that's fun

yeah you just said you added 100 chests

[sonic breach]

yeah i removed 100 chests too

[tawny gorge]

that's gonna add a lot to some lootruns depending on where they are

[sonic breach]

actually pretty sure there’s net more chests in high level areas than there used to be but not by enough for me to care about it

either way though

decent money… meaning tna?

[tawny gorge]

yeah, I think 2-3 le was fine

is the average actually 1-1.5 now?

[sonic breach]

i haven’t actually played the game for a while because of school so i have zero clue

[tawny gorge]

fair enough

[sonic breach]

pretty sure the nerf really wasn’t that bad but again, wouldn’t know

[tawny gorge]

I haven't done it because everyone's saying it's not worth it anymore

[sonic breach]

dunno they do that

[tawny gorge]

do you think it needed a nerf at all?

[sonic breach]

it might not be “worth” it compared to whatever it was at before but again i. wouldnt really know

[sonic breach]

well the only run i did before the nerf i got i think 4.5le

or something really stupid

[tawny gorge]

if that's not common I think that's probably fine

[sonic breach]

well yeah. i just wouldn’t know

but tbh i feel like tna not giving as much money as it did is basically fine?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawny gorge]

Well first I mean I think Wynn's biggest shortcoming is over nerfing things and I think if they nerfed the rewards BY 1-1.5 le when people are getting up to 4.5 I think it wouldve been fine, nerfing rewards TO 1-1.5 is a bit overkill and the other thing is that nerfing rewards in raids this hard is keeping the fact that actually playing the game and doing fun combat based stuff will never compare to making money through lootrunning

[tacit iron]

nope

[tawny gorge]

Lootrunning is so outdated and boring as a concept and the fact that it's the main way and the best way by FAR to get money on wynn is just a problem

[tawny gorge]

Thank god

[tacit iron]

it might have been 1-1.5 on patch release but that was due to an error that made the rewards lower than they should have been

[tawny gorge]

Do you know about what it is now?

[tacit iron]

maybe 2-3? not entirely sure

[tawny gorge]

Ok that seems reasonable

[wide leaf]

First run always has better rewards (in every raid)

It was 2-3 before the nerf

[tacit iron]

first run was actually worse in terms of emeralds before this patch

[wide leaf]

Then you were extremely lucky

And I for some reason always got more on my first runs

[tacit iron]

just for tna*

[prime bear]

No way its 2-3 it has to be 1-3 (with above 2 being rarer) or I'm the unluckiest man alive

[tacit iron]

shrug

1 le definitely should not be possible

[wide leaf]

1.5 definitely is

[tacit iron]

maybe. but that's fairly rare in it of itself

[prime bear]

never seen just 1 le but had 1 le and under 10 eb a few times which is not far from 1

[tacit iron]

that would have been day of the patch

it's since been fixed

[sharp ledge]

When I did it I only saw 1le to below 3 ammountd

Which is very low for like 6min worth of time

[wide leaf]

6 minutes if you have a good party already

Finding a pfinder party usually takes around 5-10 minutes and then the raid itself also takes 10 minutes

[sharp ledge]

Yes here's the thing I only do tcc if I have good parties if u know what I mean

Which is why I'm not counting pfinder time down time and everything

Rn doing tcc seems better anyways

[wide leaf]

I used to grind TNA with builds that reliably solo it, but it's no longer worth it. Already was significantly slower than lootrunning anyway, just faster for powders and I can always need powders for class building

Now I really only do it for fun every once in a while

I didn't fill the time in which I used to grind TNA for its rewards so now I simply play much less. Decreasing player numbers might be the only way to change Salted's mind.

[sharp ledge]

I mean here's the thing when I did tna I stayed up 12-13 ish hrs a day but now it's nerfed i only play it for 1 hour now so idk

Quite a big change ngl

[tacit iron]

we're going to leave the rewards as they are for a while, see how it sticks, and then adjust from there

because they definitively were too high before

[tacit iron]

the highest powder tier going for 2 EB each was a problem

[prime bear]

so you wre saying?

screenshot from today*

[tacit iron]

weird

i'll have to see what's going wrong

cause thats definitely not intended

[runic ravine]

[tacit iron]

yeah i straight up cant recreate it on the gm testing server

thats so weird

i have one thing i can see that is maybe causing it, but i wont be able to tell for sure

ill make the fix and update here when it's been pushed

let me know if you only get one 40/64 eb stack in a raid chest again though

thanks for letting me know the issue existed though- definitely not intended

[wide leaf]

Why? It even allowed newcomers to use builds with optimised powders and therefore encouraged experimenting. Since class building is a big part of Wynncraft, I see this as an absolute win. It might have gotten some players into class building or build testing which is one of the best methods of never getting bored of the game and therefore leads to higher player activity and maybe even more new players since those players might also invite their friends after seeing the beauty of Wynncraft's item system.

The cost of new items and to reset the ability tree really already is enough to discourage class building, we don't need more aspects that prevent build experimentation.

[sonic breach]

wild thought but there are lower tier powders

[wide leaf]

with optimised powders

t4 and t5 powders are much weaker than t6 powders.

[prime bear]

I agree that powder nerf is good, why even keep in game any tier of powder below VI if highest tier is basicaly free for anyone even low levels ?

[sonic breach]

that's fine theyre level 40

[fringe edge]

Bro why are mythics so rare

Newcomers should be able to use their classes at their highest caoabilities

[fluid mural]

Ahh yes. The most POWERFUL items in the game availible to everyone at the SLIGHTEST effort. (real)

The whole point of mythics is that they are rare but powerful.

[fringe edge]

I think you understand my point (not sarcastic(what is sarcasm?))

[sharp ledge]

will we know when that updste will be pushed?

[tacit iron]

yeah ill tell you here

[sharp ledge]

alright thanks

[tacit iron]

fix was pushed a bit back, forgot to mention it here

[fringe edge]

Bad girl

@sharp ledge

[sharp ledge]

Ye I saw, I got 4le in a run

[hazy sentinel]

ah yes, lets just make every item available for free to new players, so they can be encouraged to experiment

[wise lily]

make powders only 1 tier 👍

[fringe edge]

We need t7 powders

[fringe hawk]

tna is good again no way we did it reddit

[sonic breach]

lol

[wide leaf]

Honestly not an awful idea

[sonic breach]

shit idea