About Wynncraft's Quests

[spring oriole]

About Wynncraft's quests, some are good while some are.... mediocre at best. Some examples of good quests are you can figure it out yourself, like Enzan's Brother, Stable Story, The Ultimate Weapon, etc. Then there's the ones where you have to look at the Fandom wiki multiple times, like Tribal Aggression and many others, and don't get me started on The House of Twain.

     The latter quests might be good in the fact that they make you need to explore and hunt for solutions, but that also makes them very annoying with or without the wiki or guides. 

    I think that the devs should add more description to the quests, or guide the player better. As I mentioned before, The House of Twain just says: "Find the book of Twain" and nothing else. Well, you need to get to the second floor, then open a trapdoor, then kill some mobs, then throw some emeralds.... and so on. There are lots of other quests like this, and I think they need to improve them.

[finite path]

skill issue?

ok i also skill issued at house of twain 🙄

[molten lagoon]

I won't hear this house of Twain slander

[simple pewter]

ok ya true i've always wondered how you're supposed to quests like ??? without a guide lol

[ruby isle]

it's ok we'll just delete every quest from before 2018 all the quests remaining will be good

[worthy fjord]

RoL moment

[spring oriole]

Good idea! jk

[wild wraith]

Or just update most of the quest that do that(old quests)

Tbh I think most quests are pretty obvious though, there's just a few confusing ones

[strong plover]

i mean... there are no quests "like ???"

its very much its own type of quest

even house of twain isn't comparable because that quest is limited to 1 area of the map, basically 1 building, and the building contains clues for how to solve the puzzle. Not speaking on the quality or how well designed it is, but that fact definitely separates it from ???

[molten lagoon]

I love ???

[covert holly]

Tbf house of twain gives 0 info really

Like the only info you're slightly given is the 3 items you need for the helmet.

[nimble tide]

House of twain is cool

[minor tapir]

You won't believe this but this is what we do with modern quests

House of Twain is what, 7 years old now?

[thorny lava]

??? Is just unique 🥰🥰🥰

[dawn latch]

🥴

[simple pewter]

Facts.

[simple pewter]

also same with most secrets

but thats kinda obvious

[covert holly]

That entire quest was made for multiple players to work it out

You throw 1 random new player at it that'll take a LONG time

[simple pewter]

yes but at one point you are supposed to get an item and then travel to a random location (inside a cave too) and then also throw that item onto a flower which opens a door

[covert holly]

Oh yeah the logic is very dumb

[simple pewter]

are u even able to figure that part out on ur own or are u expected to use a guide lol

[covert holly]

At this point ??? Is a guide only quest which imo makes it 1 of the worst quests.

The puzzles are kinda less puzzles and more throw something at the wall to see what sticks

[simple pewter]

i mean yea... i did the puzzles without a guide but not the flower thing

[young sundial]

given that ??? has a special story behind it
I do not recall any quest being "too" hard, beside 90% of players use wynntils anyways and wynntils literally tells you what to do with quest, and in case you still struggling they litearlly open the wiki page for you

[covert holly]

I mean it is doable without a guide but the puzzles are very much just idk what im doing but it'll work eventually.

[young sundial]

the ultimate weapon was recently reworked in a more "meme" quest as for enzan's brother that's the 2nd quest in the game, and beside having a bit of "memes" in it, it's supose to be really easy

[simple pewter]

like... in the clearing the camps quest it's annoying cuz it just says look around for the camps

[young sundial]

stable story literally tells you to take the key go to the city at the end of the road, go to the biggest house and fight some cows

[simple pewter]

like ok thats fun i guess lol

[covert holly]

Still means you're using a guide. Throw a group of 4? 5? (Cant remember minimum needed)
Either way a group of new players arent gonna have the most fun with ???

[covert holly]

Dialogue tells you

[simple pewter]

doesnt it say look for flags

[covert holly]

Oh wait wrong quest i was thinking of the blazing one

[young sundial]

as I said, ??? is the exception, in the past it was bannable to even give hints on how to solve it, now it's one of the last "group" quest in the game

[dawn latch]

what if ??? 2

[simple pewter]

idk what the name of it is

[young sundial]

but for all the other quests, if you just spent a bit more time to read what the npc are actualy telling you

it's not that hard to finish them

[young sundial]

there might be a continuation in fruma, since there is a chance we will meet the 4th brother

[covert holly]

I mean the argument is about older quests

[dawn latch]

i dont think continuing it into fruma makes sense..?

[covert holly]

Since twains mansion is a very fun 1 with how dumb a certain part of it is

[dawn latch]

as that questline at least

[covert holly]

Enzans brothers biggest difficulty rn is that 1 secret discovery

[young sundial]

he mentioned 5 quest, 1 is ??? which he is right, you need a guide to solve that
as for the other 4, 3 of them were reworked recently

[covert holly]

Enzans brother rework made it worse

Mostly for new players

[dawn latch]

kinda true ngl

[young sundial]

you litearlly need to walk thoug a cave

that's all

[covert holly]

Yes. And theres a boss fight right next door

[young sundial]

that's not part of the quest

[covert holly]

And the key is literally in front of that exit

[young sundial]

it was moved on top of the stairs iirc

[covert holly]

Yes. Meaning the new player is gonna see the key and door instantly

[simple pewter]

i mean idk how many times i couldn't find something that should be simple (like the dude in the santa quest after the island is corrupted lol) and some other dude complained about not being able to find the stairs

[young sundial]

it means they weren't reading what they had to do in the first place

[covert holly]

Enzans brother made accidentally doing a level 10 boss fight VERY easy

[young sundial]

the island is all red and dark, there is only 1 place which is green, but you are right, being tp in a new place can be disorienting

[simple pewter]

yea

[covert holly]

I'll be honest a lot of the quest reworks just made those quests worse.

[young sundial]

and even if you accidentaly went in that boss fight, that doens't make the quest harder

you litearlly need to walk though a cave, hell if you see the door you might have accidentaly even skipped that part

[covert holly]

It kinda does because new players are gonna keep trying the fight again

[young sundial]

then that's on the player,not on the quest

[covert holly]

Rene (i think) did a test and a LOT of new players fell for it

[young sundial]

smashing your head on the wall won't make you pass it

[covert holly]

Actually that is on the quest

It's called bad design.

If you put a key right at the end of a quest and put a door next to it, it will be easy to assume they're linked to the quest

[young sundial]

I litearlly cannot see how going though a cave, which the entrance is enxt to the npc that tells you to follow it, going throug it, seeing a door that requires a key, finishing the quest, climbing the stairs AND THEN figuring out that you can open the door, which lead to an harder boss fight, i cannot understand how that make the quest bad or too hard

especialy since losign to that boss a couple of times SHOULD make you say " damm this boss is hard, i should try tofight him later" and when you actualy come back later and demolish it, you can feel accomplished as you can see the progress you have made

[covert holly]

Impera have you done enzans brother

Because thats not actually how it goes.

Like at all.

[young sundial]

I could make a class rn and in 3 minutes.... maybe 5 I could speedrun that quest

that boss, is one of the many "test" that the game will put you throug

if you suceed, good for you, if you fail once, it can hapend, twice? maybe you are unlucky, but 3 or more? maybe you should change approach

[covert holly]

Yes and I'll point this out. The player gets the mushroom. Goes upstairs sees a key and grabs it. Immediately to the left a door ssys use this key.

[dawn latch]

i would like to point out that the key spawn was moved

[young sundial]

give me 2 minutes, i'm fairly sure the key was moved on top of the stairs BEHIND enzan

[dawn latch]

it is still Very Nearby which i think is fine

[young sundial]

great, you just saved me 2 minutes, thanks

[covert holly]

Did they move it a third time?

[dawn latch]

i havent been keeping track chief

[covert holly]

Last i saw they moved it to the cave (which jesus christ)

[young sundial]

it's on top, of the stairs behind enzan, you "should" finsih the quest, climb up the stairs THEN take the keys THEN make the connection

but at that point you area laready over with the quest

[covert holly]

They really need to make up their mind on that key

Thats the third location its gone to

Probably due to how many issues it was causing

[young sundial]

Look, if a player can't figure out that you can't do a simple boss like that in that specific moment, and should infact go to kill it later at that stage

[covert holly]

Theres a difference between doing a boss in an area you shouldn't be in. And finding a higher than usual level boss in a regular area with 0 warningr

This is getting away from the main topic anyway

[young sundial]

dude, like it would be unfair if once you die you have to restart your whole character

but you literally respawn CLOSER to your next quest ifyou go in there

[covert holly]

Because yeah a lot of the early wynn quests just kinda outright suck. Outside of a few good ones

[young sundial]

beside with all the new players there is a chance that you will fight it with some other players which makes it a bit easier

[covert holly]

Ehh thats not really ever guaranteed. Anyway might just wanna get back on topic with the quests

[young sundial]

alright, what was the next quest

[dawn latch]

i dont see anything wrong with dying to the boss

[young sundial]

stable story?

[covert holly]

Stable stories biggest issue is where it got moved to

[young sundial]

the start point was moved closer so that player could start it more easily OH and it was made from lvl 25 to like 13 so players could gain an horse much sooner

[covert holly]

Although imo every savannah quest except the lava 1 just sucks rn

[dawn latch]

there are more savannah quests??

[young sundial]

there is only 1 and it's the lava one

stable story it's more like detlas area

[dawn latch]

i dont get the issue with stable story

[covert holly]

Arachnid ascent i believe as well

[young sundial]

me neither

[dawn latch]

the assistant is just kinda boring, and arachnid ascent starting there and having to walk all the way to mtwynn is a bit weird

[young sundial]

you start it there, but it was moved there so that player would notice the fast travel, in the past it was all in front of the dungeon entrance

[covert holly]

My main issue with stable story is it just kinda feels forced to start there

[dawn latch]

in what way

like yeah its fully intentional the guy is outside of detlas because thats where all the nearby quests are for your level range

[covert holly]

Like it's just. Yeah quest starter is there but it really could of been kept to ternaves

[covert holly]

Gotta be honest. The fast travel just is not a good enough reason to go on a long walk

[young sundial]

moving it closer to detlas could have made early players ( the one doing the alchemist quest ) notice the npc and then start the quest which would lead them to the most important mobility item after scrolls

[young sundial]

you are objectivly right

[covert holly]

Unless you know you can start it at the volcano (which you're never told) you're gonna hate it solely for that

[young sundial]

the only people i can see using those are the guilds owning or raiding detlas area, and even in that case it's bad

[dawn latch]

yknow

i think nothing would be lost if he just let you fast travel to mtwynn

but also i have not done the quests in months

[young sundial]

some ct members hard works of making special fire mobs skins would be wasted

[covert holly]

Im fine with the fast travel existing. But its not a good way to introduce it

[young sundial]

oh wait now i remember why it start there

it's because of the lava, they made a recruit go there to take the lava, he didn't wanted to bring it back, or fill the bucket, give it to you and you start the quest

[covert holly]

I feel like most players follow their quest books religiously tho tbh

[young sundial]

it's not a feel dude

[covert holly]

(Which ends up being a detriment later)

[young sundial]

people follow the quest book and wiki, they do not bother to read what they are doing

which is such a shame tbh but whatever, everyone can play how they want

[covert holly]

I mean people follow the order of the quests

They dont follow the actual steps just do it like abc

(Also troms and llevigar quests cause major issues for them)

[young sundial]

it's neesak llevigar and later on troms olux

[covert holly]

Neesak isnt too bad because seaskipper

[young sundial]

and that's correct, it can bring to some problems and annoying parts, but that's the same level where quest are not enaugh for you to level up consistently

[covert holly]

But troms is a punch in the face due to the psssage taking 3 or 4 levels to unlock

[young sundial]

that's where dungeons AND sd comes up, and in case you still need, you got herb and llevigar spider, and later on waterfall

[dawn latch]

tbh

all you need to do for xp is run every dungeon once or twice at level

and then you wont need to grind ever while questing

[young sundial]

ye if you do that, with some good xp gear, maybe dxp and some other mnodifiers you are good

[dawn latch]

i think im at like 102 in a playthrough where i did that and it hasnt been an issue ever

for latergame just run a few discoveries problem solved

[covert holly]

The issue is dungeons at level for forgery are kinda hell

Due to trying to unlock them

[young sundial]

that's where sd becomes really good, and you also have access to xp grinds party

[dawn latch]

wdym

[young sundial]

in the past it was easier to notice them, couse they shouted them, but not you just need to check party finder

[covert holly]

Dungeon keys and runes

[dawn latch]

like the keys? dunno i didnt really have an issue with those either

[young sundial]

also tm exist

[dawn latch]

theres like. nii guardians and shit around forgery for the first couple, forgery gives some, after that uth altar gaming with avias from doing stuff in corkus

[covert holly]

They cost like 16 eb i believe

Ik its something dumb and slightly unreasonable

[young sundial]

i checked bcib keys, they were like 8 e each

[covert holly]

I think its cip? Cib i believe is tna so EVERYONE loves that

[young sundial]

beside, at that point you should already have a couple of le , so 16 eb is not even impossible to achieve

[young sundial]

Broken Corrupted Ice borrow

[covert holly]

Yeah cib is gotten from tna i believe

Or tcc. Idk which

[young sundial]

ye, is more common than cds but still

all the broken keys are much cheaper than in the past

and more importantly more affordable

[covert holly]

Either way. Guardian spawnrates are kinda stupidly low rn

Well forgery ones

[covert holly]

I think avias are the only ones i actually see without camping

[young sundial]

back to topic
ultimate weapon?
it's a troll quest, everything about it was reworked to joke about the quest

it's just free 7 le

[dawn latch]

ok

[ebon berry]

tbh quests pretty boring/useless
endgame content on top😼
(didnt read btw)

[dawn latch]

so true

[simple pewter]

i think im the only guy who plays for quests lol

[dawn latch]

[x2]

[wild wraith]

[x3]

Average endgame fan vs average lategame enjoyer

[dawn latch]

the x2 was referring to so true

[wild wraith]

Oh

Welp

[simple pewter]

so true

[crystal timber]

From what I remember, its the only quest in the game that requires a group ever since you could go into bob's tomb without party members

Like, theres very much possibly other quests that are intended for group play, but I usually do most quests in my playthroughs and I cannot name a singular quest off the top off my head that requires a group bar ???

But yeah, I wouldn't really mind if that quest got reworked just because of that reason (aswell as others), hell its the only quest I skip 100% of the time because it takes way too long and cosmic armor whilst great isn't really worth the trouble imo (Then again, I don't really like Powerleveling that much so it could just be me :P)
I even do SoTB on most of my playthroughs despite me loathing profs with a burning passion.

[viral citrus]

I think the real problem is just that a lot of quests are really old and not up to the standard of the newer ones. Reworking all the "bad" quests would take an immense amount of time and I'm not sure if it's worth prioritizing over adding new content altogether

[strong plover]

so glad they got rid of that dumb ass door to bob’s tomb

[orchid wing]

Nah it was amazing wdym. Altho quite sad that multiple classes could enter each side

[nimble tide]

older quests will eventually get updated but as you know we're currently working on fruma, which is new stuff

[ruby isle]

it's an mmo there is a permanent curse that makes it impossible to modify older stuff and it is perpetually only possible to add more stuff

[minor tapir]

...we update old stuff all the time

[nimble tide]

Yea the past 2 updates were dedicated to updating old content

[strong plover]

Rest in peace Hunger of the Gerts part 1 and 2

[nimble tide]

they'll probably be touched on in the future