make qira hive a spawnpoint

[snow hound]

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respawning in either eltom or thesead annoying af since you at least 1k+ blocks away from hive to skill issue again

[gaunt creek]

You usually respawn in thanos which is super close but eh maybe

[proper mango]

But it's not a town?

Wouldn't want my spawn point to set there just because I was shopping.

[snow hound]

huh
guess i dont know how wynn spawnpoints work

thought it just spawned you in the nearest town

[neat moss]

you should respawn in thanos

[lone mulch]

it's a town?

[neat moss]

which is only a couple hundred blocks away

[proper mango]

Nope

[lone mulch]

why not, it has bank and all the useful npc

[vivid turtle]

I spawn in Lutho sometimes, please do something….

[fluid orbit]

they're referring to the original post not the first comment here, saying the hive isn't one

[nimble olive]

The spawn you at the last town you were at, most of the time closest, but that’s why sometimes you end up somewhere you didn’t expect. Also quests can mess this up sometimes I think

[unborn totem]

hollow serenity respawns you next to boss arena when you die

[ancient sparrow]

wdym?

[fluid orbit]

but yeah i'm overall for this idea because generally if you're at the hive you're there to take the challenge and not just go in swap one item out and go back to the middle of the townless lands and not reach ANY town whatsoever then die, i think it just generally makes sense i don't think the "but err well it's not a town!" counts because
1: it kinda IS one there is a bunch of living quarters and not much else but still
2: i don't think ancient ideals are the SUPER SPECIAL IDEALS THAT MUST ALWAYS BE RESPECTED it's like, fine to do this, not breaking any religions or whatever

[vivid turtle]

I don’t understand why its heavily downvoted, its a qol feature

Sometimes I do hive, die, and get sent to Detlas

[ancient sparrow]

you could easily come up with a lore explanation, the area itself is a safe zone, given the difficulty of some of the hive bosses (and the arguably questionable means by which it's achieved in a few of them) it's just really weird and annoying that you're forced to spend an extra ~1 minute after every death (worse if you have low walkspeed) climbing over mountains

[fluid orbit]

it feels like people are overthinking respawn points just because they haven't directly thought about respawn points in probably quite a while, it's not permanently set on your profile for 30 minutes whenever you reach one at any time

there's also just the general big flaw of the game sometimes putting you really far away from the regular place you were at before getting teleported for a quest which then sets your respawn point at a really random place all the time but that just needs looking at in general

[fluid orbit]

i'm sorry but is there a documented lore piece about how the player can collapse on the ground bloodied top to bottom can just respawn using soul points

it's just like, not an important thing, just qol

[unborn totem]

beyond the grave

[night barn]

Use thanos

And bridge to rodorocc

Rodoroc has trade market right?

[vivid turtle]

Doesn’t always work

[vivid turtle]

I’ll go from Detlas, to Cinfras, to Qira Hive and it will still for some reason spawn me in Lutho

[night barn]

Lol

Doubt but ok

[fluid orbit]

me taking a 20 minute break sequence before spawning back in nesaak to get killed again by a polar bear

[vivid turtle]

It fucking happens

Thats the route I take to get to Hive

What the hell is with everyone completely fucking laughing at everything I say with “Lmao doubt it”

[night barn]

Idk

I always spawn jn a reasonable location

[vivid turtle]

I don’t

[night barn]

Maybe that place in troms with the villajers of ijobi

Or thr little fairy hut by forgery.

[vivid turtle]

Sometimes I even go from Lutho, to Detlas, to Cinfras, to Hive and still spawn in Lutho

[night barn]

Try thanos

[vivid turtle]

Sometimes you forget bud

[night barn]

Mhm ig

[vivid turtle]

It just doesn’t make sense to have this hard challenge and not have a spawn point right next to it

Thanos isn’t close enough and is out of the way enough to miss it

[night barn]

Im saying there alrdy is tho

Its a 200 block walk from thanos

[vivid turtle]

^ Thanos is out of the way, you have to go off your path just to set your spawn there and when you just want to quickly help someone clear a boss or something that just doesn’t work

[night barn]

Tbh yeah it is hard to gt back up

To make the apawn point make sense

[fluid orbit]

i mean the isle of legends spawns you back there does it not? i'm really not sure why this is the most debated concept to date

[night barn]

They ahould put some tenta around the qira spire thingir

[night barn]

Yes

[vivid turtle]

Its not….., it certainly is not

[night barn]

#1019668150519857183 is prettty big. Not sire its a debate tho

[vivid turtle]

Any Archer discussion is a good example

[vivid turtle]

No everyone generally agrees with eachother apart from the trolls and the idiots who think Assassin is too good

[night barn]

Yeah go upvote #1039734256521453640 for me

[fluid orbit]

ok but WHY are we discussing this endlessly

[night barn]

Are we?

I beem talking dor 10 mins max

This was made at 840

[vivid turtle]

You aren’t? But others are

[night barn]

Again

Yea ok so maybe put a spawn at qira hive but idk then i cant respawn next to a bank unless they put a tp pad and stiff there

Or they can add a whole civilization

[vivid turtle]

Or just put a bank and potion merchant there

[night barn]

Decked out and all yeah

[vivid turtle]

They already have vendors there, why not add more

[night barn]

Yo a potion metchant would be sick. Thanos prices r high af

Prob will get same price tho

In thr u likely case it’s added

[fluid orbit]

"likely" as if even a minority of the content in this forum-channel went to the higher ups

[night barn]

Ok

Read through my typos @fluid orbit . U likely is unlikely

[fluid orbit]

oh true that space is an n that makes sense

[night barn]

Lollol

[vivid turtle]

Imagine not correcting your typos

[night barn]

I dp the major ones

[vivid turtle]

This post was made by the Grammar Police

[fluid orbit]

these are weed typos

[vivid turtle]

It would seem even the Grammar Police makes mistakes.

[night barn]

Ok

[hallow path]

this sounds like a general "fix spawnpoints to not suck" feedback

[ancient sparrow]

there is it's called beyond the grave

[unreal crow]

Truly a “Thanos is too far from Hive” moment

(It still takes ages to get between them why isn’t there a staircase)

[ancient sparrow]

ah yes because that staircase has fixed every single problem that previously arose when you died to a boss 20 times
The runback is still a good 45 seconds if you have a decent horse, the spawnpoint in thanos is on the lower level of thanos, once you use the plate (assuming you know it's there) there's a big staircase you have to take after which you ride to the big one going over the hill, you ride for like 15 seconds to the hive's big staircase before going into the division and walking through all 10 levels to get to the boss, that's a pretty long walkback, it only feels like it's comparatively short because there are much worse runbacks in this game, that doesn't excuse the hive.

if you respawned in the hive, maybe in the center of the room where the divisions are, all you'd have to do is go through the ten levels of the division and you'd be at the boss.
With bosses like Psychomancer, Oceanic Judge and Solar Vanguard that were previously well-rounded (one of them already really hard) bosses that have now all had their movesets expanded with attacks that can overlap with their previously existing movesets, the hive definitely needs a shorter runback

[lone mulch]

respawning in thanos is easier because this way you can buy pots

[gaunt creek]

Just jump over the mountain

[ancient sparrow]

if you want to buy pots you can walk to thanos, most of the time people don't need pots immediately so it'll be an improvement overall

they could also just add a pot merchant in the hive like with dungeons

[gaunt creek]

There's been a massive discussion about doing this already

Also really it's not that far away

[ancient sparrow]

if you die ~20 times to oceanic judge or solar vanguard it will feel like a very long distance by the 14th time

it'll feel like a very long distance the 5th time honestly

sure they're geographically close but there's a mountain in between and once you're at the hive you still have to go through 10 rooms to get to the boss

[ancient sparrow]

is this a joke?

[fluid orbit]

no it's shaman gameplay

[lone mulch]

if you die 5 times consecutively then you will lose 10 soul points. Which means that you will already start to lose some items. And who th couldn't kill judge or vanguard in 14 attempts? I killed judge in like 10 attempts with acro and bad build at lvl 85. And his whirlpools still damage you even if you are airborne

[gaunt creek]

There's a path over/through the mountain which speeds it up

[ancient sparrow]

people who are bad at the game can't kill judge or vanguard in 14 attempts, people like me, those are the people who need practice, and they're not going to get better if there are mechanics at work that discourage them from practicing or make it arduous and unfun, such as long runbacks. And is there some big disadvantage to this other than buying pots, a problem that can be solved by something as simple as adding a merchant to the hive?
As for soul points, those shouldn't exist and will hopefully cease to do so as soon as is possible, their existence shouldn't prevent us from making helpful qol changes on the path to their (hopefully) eventual removal

[night barn]

Soul points good! We just need a better way than waiting to get them back

[ancient sparrow]

actually, soul points are good, we just need a better way of losing them than dying
If you mean that people deserve to be punished for dying and every mistake someone makes during a boss should have negative repercussions designed to be annoying and make them not want to practice that boss anymore thereby discouraging players from every trying get better at the game as a whole or a specific piece of content, nay, all but prohibiting them them from getting better at things they are bad at in most cases; then well, that's the exact idea I'm trying to argue against here. Any hindrance placed in the way of someone trying to get better at Gale, Qira, or any other boss in the hive (or any particularly difficult boss in the game as a whole), that isn't part of the boss it'self; is doing nothing but at best discouraging that someone from engaging with optional difficult parts of the game that could've been fun were they allowed to practice, or at worst (and more commonly) acting as a roadblock between the player and a piece of required content that can only be bypassed by either beating a boss first or second try (which with some bosses paired with some players (like myself) is just an absurdly unreasonable expectation) or by doing one or another dull chore thought up by some forumer as a cool death punishment over an over again and probably forgetting everything you'd learned about the boss's moveset to begin with while doing so.

This is a serious disease this game has and the hive runback is a symptom of it, even if it isn't nearly the worst; and it mostly comes from the apparent assumption that players should be punished for dying, something I have never really seen a clear argument in favor of either here or on the forums (although I'm only very recently active on the discrord server so I may have missed something), it seems like it's just kind of assumed because most of the game is built around it, without any thought really given to the fact that there are people who currently struggle with the game or parts of it and actually need to be given some breathing room and allowance to make mistakes for them to actually enjoy the game. This is something that sucks the enjoyment out of the game for me and I think for a lot of other players as well, and makes the existence of any boss harder than corrupted Redbeard completely inexcusable and unenjoyable; it's a good thing that changes are slowly being made to remove symptoms of this mentality from the game (like the previously discussed stairs added in 2.0 which do make going to the hive a bit faster), and I hope soon the whole disease will be more or less weeded out, because my ability to consistently enjoy the game kind of depends on it and it'll make the game as a whole much better too.

[vivid turtle]

Imo death is punishment enough, especially since a lot of endgame content has a cost for each attempt as well as the soul point cost per attempt

[gaunt creek]

Walking distance can be annoying but I don't think it's a massive world ending issue

And saying that having this makes having challenging bosses "inexcusable" is really exagerrated

[vivid turtle]

That is exaggerated, what isn't however is the fact that I did your mom last night >:)

[gaunt creek]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[vivid turtle]

In all seriousness this is a qol feature more than anything, it shouldn't be that big of a thing to do

[night barn]

Srybut im not gonna read all this

But yes people ahould be discourages from doing things without any forethought

[ancient sparrow]

the issue is that it the "quality of life" in this situation, or really the quality of enjoyment of the bosses, kind of stops existing when the only thing you ever think about during a bossfight is how bad your punishment is going to be when you die; once again the hive isn't the worst offender by a long shot, and most hive bosses before 2.0 were not really hurt by the runback in anything more than a trivial way aside from Qira herself, but after 2.0 the bosses have all gotten way harder and it really is a problem now.
Once again, there are also literally no downsides that have been brought up aside from the potion thing which can once again be solved by adding a merchant to the hive.