The Nameless' General Feedback Thread

[fast sky]

Acolyte healing is still unbelievably powerful and mage got much better at healing efficiency

[hushed axle]

A bunch of stuff could be nerfed, it's kinda insane

[fast sky]

There's also the issue of hpr scaling quadratically

[hushed axle]

in terms of ability tree stuff.

[nimble patio]

i strongly dislike any mechanics like anti-heal and, god forbid i bring up this argument, cci which exist solely because the player is too strong

they usually bring more problems than they end up solving and the root issue is with the player in the first place and the mechanic feels really arduous as a result

[hardy whale]

The only major thing that I see got nerfed in healing is the slower process of mage healing / regeneration skill tree being 0.5% (still malding about it) while someone w/ double aco fluid healing totem can heal ten fold immediately with a rebound aura

[fast sky]

But many items identity like nethers scar depends on hpr% so we can't just take it off

[nimble patio]

player power creep is absolutely real for 2.0 but i think regarding ehp you can continue to balance the raid quite fine because those things are unlikely to change much

as for mob hp i think an inevitable universal mob hp blanket buff is necessary but balancing the ability tree comes first

[hushed axle]

Yeah I think Wynn would be in a better place if CCI didn't exist and something else was done instead to fix the problem. Sadly it is probably too late for anything to be done now.

[nimble patio]

like, shaman spell dps has quite literally increased over 7 times this update

this isnt really a number i pulled out of my ass either

[fast sky]

I still prefer if spell mults and stuff are toned down to match 1.20 powers then TNA being nerfed accordingly

[hushed axle]

Yeah it's pretty

[nimble patio]

to be honest i think the nameless boss is in a pretty good spot atm

at least regarding the current state of the ability tree

[fast sky]

I still can't find it's visual telegraphs on "speedup" attack

[nimble patio]

it doesnt have anything visual i dont think

[fast sky]

But ig that's not necessary when I know its sound

(I still think it's too similar to the void bleeds aka water lines)

[hushed axle]

I think it is exploding particles

[nimble patio]

unironically i think the thing that's killed me the most as a shaman is just accidentally teleporting to my totem with blood connection when it's surrounded by mines lmao

[hushed axle]

maybe it's bugged?

[nimble patio]

i can usually just hear when it starts spawning the purple circles anyways so i think it's fine

[fast sky]

Exploding as in explosion animation or the explosion clouds?

[hardy whale]

Greg makes like a slowed mob death sound when he spawns the purple rings

[nimble patio]

i just listen for the zwips when the circles spawn

[fast sky]

It does feel less powerful when he doesn't charge at you though

[nimble patio]

idk how to describe it, it's like the teleport sound when they spawn

[fast sky]

High pitched enderman teleport sounds I believe

[hardy whale]

Slowness skills like maddening roots can easily do the same job effectively

[nimble patio]

i do honestly miss the actual speedup, it felt like a nice attack because the circles by themselves are pretty avoidable, it really just needed a telegraph is all

[hardy whale]

I guess this is just the consequence we face for changing Greg so many times

[fast sky]

Also lure doesn't seem to work when boltslinger is aggroing

I'm using a heavy melee echo build and it's impossible to hit when a boltslinger is running at 300ws backwards and not in circles or smth

[nimble patio]

mmmmmmmm ive had my opinion on the fight change like 100 times so far and eventually i would get tired of listening to my own bullshit too

[nimble patio]

archer be like

[fast sky]

Is it possible that we have void hole damage cooldown?

[hardy whale]

I’m gonna feedback this and get either ignored or ratioed by random people, wish me luck

[fast sky]

I've had a few situations where void holes rapidly shred my health before bouncing or teleporting

Like 0.5s cooldown or something small is fine

[hushed axle]

explosion clouds

[nimble patio]

i feel like an "ultimate summon" is kind of an overused concept in video games but shepherd is equally as boring so

[fast sky]

Don't think I see that when I died and was observing the boss

[hushed axle]

If we add it back you guys will start to question our skills as game designers...

[hardy whale]

Not like an ultimate summon ofc, just a third summon that is worth of a red skill.

[nimble patio]

nah the speedup was cool it was just entirely random and lethal with 0 telegraph lol

[fast sky]

I don't think anyone hated the speedup part

[nimble patio]

mmmmm

[hushed axle]

weird, I can see if I can change it

[fast sky]

Idk if it's related to ping

[hushed axle]

do you get launched/teleported a bunch too?

[fast sky]

Because due to that I don't bounce/teleport the instant I fall into one, it could see me lingering in each that the systems go over multiple intervals of the effect

I've had a few double teleports or sometimes 2 little ones spawning from 1 fall

[hardy whale]

I had two approaches with it, the first one was that you needed an effigy / few puppets on the field and a totem, shift uproot the totem and the mobs fuse into the totem and form a “ sentinel “, the totem turns into a bigger puppet of some sort with a 1min 35sec or 2minute timer,

the second way to do it was to shift uproot a totem and becomes the sentinel, you can only spawn two totems until the sentinel is gone, and the mob had a health bar of its own and when it dies you can use the third or second totem again, it will have a cool down on both versions of course. What they would do idk yet, but I’d imagine them like some regirock lookin fella.

(Only one sentinel can be spawned at a time)

[hushed axle]

alright I can add a delay

[fast sky]

Just add something very small it'd be nice, thanks

[hushed axle]

[nimble patio]

we should add the tf2 sentry gun as a third summon

[hardy whale]

I don’t blame you, engineer gaming FTW

[fast sky]

Now give wrangler

[hardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/engineer-tf2-team-fortress-gaming-dance-gif-16535204

[hardy whale]

Uproot/Bullwhip is literally the wrangler

[fast sky]

Not manual enough

[hardy whale]

Well it forces the puppets to target something just like the wrangler does, but true.

[nimble patio]

i really wish summons despawned when you swap/stop holding your weapon because they can often get stuck falling somewhere or shooting a wall; when you stop holding a weapon they dont even do any actual damage anyways lol

[hardy whale]

Oh and my second idea for the red skill was to fuse puppets together and level them up, they would have a slightly larger timer (Definitely a tf2 reference)

[nimble patio]

prime example: trying to play summoner in tcc boss fight

[hardy whale]

prime example: trying to play summoner in TNA boss fight and Greg constantly aggro’s you

[nimble patio]

ok this is no longer tna feedback

[hardy whale]

I’ll make a feedback for this then as intended since Shepard is a conditional red skill 👎

[hardy whale]

I did it, time to get ratioed

[fast sky]

yeah even with lure i still can't compete with archer camping the barrier

[fast sky]

actually I see it now

it's considerably small compared to the boss but it's definitely visible

[green zodiac]

Hello chat can we fix certain TNA mobs not counting as hostile mobs for some reason

Shadowlings, void holes, bulb catchers, etc

[hardy whale]

Imagine dying to something that has a shit eating grin on its face.

Like if you were to make bulb catchers hostile, the best they can do is throw a fake bulb or something at you as a last ditch effort to escape with the real bulb. Though there’s a chance it’ll throw back the real bulb as an attack.

The only agressive void holes I know are the malformed ones.

[placid loom]

I would absolutely support that

idk how, but I would

[hardy whale]

Live footage of greg at a mcdonalds drive-thru:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019452408297959464/1024364211238883408/ZCxNXTVATJLEepv9.mp4

[hardy whale]

greg did an oopsie out of nowhere.

[misty charm]

L

[hardy whale]

I keep getting that error, even outside the TNA raid and in TCC. I'm not sure whats causing it.

[misty charm]

L v2

[hardy whale]

https://c.tenor.com/ZLnjVMbU2y0AAAAM/speech-bubble-discord.gif

[nimble patio]

make eyeball do less damage

[hushed axle]

which one?

[green zodiac]

Pink homing eyeball

Isn't that like the only eyeball in the fight

[hushed axle]

There is also the lazer attack

[hardy whale]

noticed this but in 1.12 the greg watched beam is instant rather than approaching over a period of time

[green zodiac]

What

That probably shouldn't change between versions

[hardy whale]

and 1.16.5, whew.

[hushed axle]

Yeah the lazer attack was buffed iirc

I think that was included in the latest patch

[hardy whale]

its way too unforgiving, as in you are going to get hit by it regardless.

[hushed axle]

ask lumi abt it, not too sure about the changes.

(like what they were)

[hardy whale]

do you see like a straight white line and then a straight flare line immediately, like it doesn't appear slower

[hushed axle]

🤷‍♂️ I haven't been able to test anything cause of irl stuff so I am not sure

[hardy whale]

also 1.16.5 lunar / normal are having constant error messages in raids

[hardy whale]

this being one of them, they just happen out of nowhere tho.

[hushed axle]

yeah, not sure about that

probably a dev issue but I really cant say

[hardy whale]

🤷

[nimble patio]

laser doesn’t feel any different

[hardy whale]

in 1.12 it is, it's immediate

[nimble patio]

don’t notice it

I’m not sure why the player’s version would matter

[hardy whale]

I went to 1.12.2 because I don't have to struggle w/ that every time I go into TNA

[nimble patio]

when was the last time you ran the raid because I did some runs this morning on 1.12 and didn’t notice it to be any different

[hardy whale]

just now, like it goes straight line beam, not slow, but extremely fast. And all 4 of us got wiped in literal seconds,

[nimble patio]

shrug

guess I’ll try it in a bit to see

[hardy whale]

Greg was watching ppl very quickly and it was like the whole line appeared immediately, then the beam shortly after, so we got shredded since we have no time to evade its blast radius.

[nimble patio]

are you sure this wasn’t like a server specific bug

[hardy whale]

I was in lobby 16 when it happened on 1.12.2 (lunar)

cant confirm that.

[nimble patio]

anyways I just wanted to mald a little bit over pink eyeballs since they’re actually quite fast and for also blinding you they do pretty harsh damage

ordinarily I don’t have issues with them but after playing with -45% walk speed shaman a lot they’re like, the most dangerous thing in the fight for me lol

[normal sluice]

its possible there was a push

[nimble patio]

(don’t ask what kind of batshit build I’m using)

[hardy whale]

sadly I have no footage but, to give an idea of how fast it is, zoom your hand from the right side of your face to the left, like rly fast, then do it a second time to add at the explosion beam.

[nimble patio]

especially since they have true damage (?) and can stack up

yeah I’ll hop on in a bit and test to see if it was changed

[hardy whale]

if done correctly you've slapped you face rly hard and fast, that's how fast it was basically.

[woven niche]

I told you!!! I TOLD you they SUCK!!!!

But yeah the eyeballs are incredibly punishing and too fast

[nimble patio]

yeah I think I overlooked them in our past conversations because I would only ever use monk and archer in the raid on beta but now after playing a class with shitass mobility they’re pretty annoying

[woven niche]

The blindness is awful

[nimble patio]

I have 30k ehp on shaman and if I get near like 2 or 3 eyes it’s literally just death

[woven niche]

They have 2k true damage I think

[nimble patio]

like I’m fine with the blindness being their main gimmick but also dealing pretty hefty true damage for being really fast is 🥴

[woven niche]

and I think some water damage too

[nimble patio]

that sounds about right

[woven niche]

They also have cracked homing so it's really annoying to run away from them

[nimble patio]

I think frozen posted all the damage stats before but guess where it was :)

[misty charm]

i think the eyeballs are literally just like melee ai

they even have walkingAngleVariation

[nimble patio]

yeah the homing on them isnt anything special

although they are just kinda stupidly fast ngl

[nimble patio]

nope i have noticed 0 difference still

if there was a push that was supposed to be earlier today it is possible pfinder brought us to an older world but like

🤷 maybe it was a server specific issue

[fast sky]

You should totally check the wiki page!
Anyways it's 2000 true damage, 2000 water damage and 2000 water damage

[nimble patio]

do you mean neutral and water

[fast sky]

Nope it's 2 instances of water damage

[nimble patio]

that's crazy

[fast sky]

So water def will apply twice

Lots of things in that fight works like that

https://wynncraft.fandom.com/wiki/The_Nameless_Anomaly_(Raid)#The_Nameless'_Spells

I believe I've kept it up to date with patch 3 changes

[astral thistle]

I only have 107 water defense

[nimble patio]

@hardy whale NVM

i am sorry for gaslighting you we WERE on an outdated world

[normal sluice]

gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[nimble patio]

it's literally original beta speed again holy fck

i was able to still dodge it with some well timed hauls but yeah it's back to being deadly as fuck

[fast sky]

What so you need like constant movement or instant reaction now?

[nimble patio]

im actually not sure if it's entirely instant like it was on original beta since i was able to still dodge it with hauls and i just personally remember it on beta being way harder to dodge even with charge

but yeah it's like. nyoom

also

[nimble patio]

https://tenor.com/view/stolas-helluva-boss-stolas-stolas-helluva-boss-young-stolas-stolas-young-gif-26404844

[normal sluice]

finally

[fast sky]

No more corners?

That's awesome

[surreal cosmos]

Warrior cheese gone

[nimble patio]

ngl i expect people to still sit in one of the 4 corners anyways

[hardy whale]

Does that mean that warrior Paladin nerf revert?

[fast sky]

They would die to rings now though

[hardy whale]

https://tenor.com/view/i-was-acting-gif-23414661

[fast sky]

That's good enough

Although rings are kinda meh without the pushes now

[hardy whale]

TNA cheese gone, at what cost *looks over to Paladin, eh, doesn’t matter.

[fast sky]

You can mitigate most of the attack by moving a little backwards since he doesn't lay them down over you anymore

[surreal cosmos]

i forgone pala for fallen guard

[green zodiac]

So apparently another shadow patch occurred

It added some new ingredients

But it also removed wall strat

[fast sky]

I think it's more of a not yet published patch note

That was the case last time with provoke wasn't it

[hardy whale]

Wait- nvm.

[fast sky]

(being very optimistic here)

[green zodiac]

I don't think so

[misty charm]

what's original watched speed

[green zodiac]

It was the case for the pouch click change though

[misty charm]

i only did tna after it was changed

[hardy whale]

Gonna be fr tho the effigies don’t do that much dmg as you think they do sometimes unless you know the proper procedures

[green zodiac]

But like even why not just post the patch notes earlier 💀

[fast sky]

True

Bonfire is tomorrow maybe they are waiting for that (idk why I'm trying to defend them)

[surreal cosmos]

shadow patches do more harm tbh

[fast sky]

Anyways time to hop into TNA

[hardy whale]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/EZYfr2KZ8SA

[fast sky]

Fair I'd love to know the changes too

[hardy whale]

Same

[green zodiac]

Though I can't even do TNA rn because of the crash bug

[fast sky]

Any ATree changes?

[astral thistle]

Pfinder still ok after patch?

[hardy whale]

4+ ppl send bug reports (myself included )

The bug doesn’t seem to peruse in 1.12.2 tho so that’s your best bet.

[green zodiac]

Too bad I made another bug report

[hardy whale]

[hardy whale]

TNA bugs are just “ anomalies “, meaning they are intended features

[nimble patio]

included them and breathless there mostly because i hate how they mess with their class/archetype balancing a lot (breathless messing with arcanist and effigies being proportionally way better than puppets) but effigies are still pretty damn powerful although they did get hit pretty hard

i still find it really funny how provoke got nerfed before all those things is the main thing

[fast sky]

breathless also messing with lightbender

[hardy whale]

Buff the puppets by a little bit, like 5% in one element, and replace Shepard w/ third support summon or a combination gimmick on puppets and effigies

[nimble patio]

although i probably couldve removed breathless for ragnarokkr instead because haha funny literally free 1.3x damage for entire team

[fresh glacier]

Ragnarokkr feels like it's just there because it existed before or somethin

[nimble patio]

it's like, basically hitscan

[astral thistle]

1.3x damage is like no extra damage at all

[misty charm]

what

[green zodiac]

What

[fresh glacier]

What

[fast sky]

fallen warrior wynncraft when they x1.3 damage (ragnarokkr) x1.3 damage (armor breaker) x1.3 damage (saviour's sacrifice) x1.1 damage (radiance) of their entire party

[normal sluice]

it's a push for the festival

[green zodiac]

So true please join the ragnarokkr nerf club

[fresh glacier]

Tbh tho ragnarokkr should be replaced alongside fallen final red

[hardy whale]

Just me- 😔

[nimble patio]

eh i feel like it is one of the lesser things to worry about compared to the other abilities i have in that meme 💀

[fresh glacier]

ragnarokkr is way too free

[astral thistle]

I hate ragnarokkr because i want defense buff instead of damage buff

[green zodiac]

Yeah for sure

Lesser but still extremely doom

[fresh glacier]

is manastorm op?

[green zodiac]

That is fair

[nimble patio]

are you talking to me or frozenfort cuz by hitscan i mean the beam arrives like literally instantly lol

[normal sluice]

i'd expect patch notes tomorrow

[misty charm]

you

like "what (the fuck)"

[green zodiac]

It essentially gives you -10 cost to all your spells

[fast sky]

manastorm is very powerful

[nimble patio]

ah that is a reasonable reaction

[fresh glacier]

It's a hitscan no matter what not having the delay between targetting and it hitting isn't what makes it hitscan

[astral thistle]

They should post patch note before change anything

[fast sky]

wait wtf did int get changed or smth

[fresh glacier]

Unless I'm wrong, pretty sure hitscan means instant travel not perfect targeting

[nimble patio]

hitscan is an fps term that means instant damage like usually bullet weapons vs projectile weapons

[fast sky]

my mage costs was 16/11 meteor and snake yesterday now its 13/7

[fresh glacier]

Yeah but you said "It was basically hitscan" even though it's always been hitscan

It's the space between targetting and launching that's been changed right? it was always a instant explosion

[green zodiac]

What

[nimble patio]

it was only hitscan for the first couple days of beta and has had a delay after being nerfed for like months now

[astral thistle]

2.1 melee bound

[green zodiac]

It has never been hitscan since launch

[fresh glacier]

Am I getting hitscan wrong

[nimble patio]

it has a delay in which it can hit you so by definition it is not hitscan

[green zodiac]

Hitscan means it’s an instant travel time

Like twain’s arc

Well

[fresh glacier]

Yeah but I saw the explosion is instant but the delay is a delay to the targetting not between impact and launch

[astral thistle]

I doubt shaman have enough time to throw totem and haul before the ray hit them

[green zodiac]

Twain’s arc is just uber fast but basically hitscan

[green zodiac]

It does

[nimble patio]

of course when the projectile hits you it's instant, lol

[astral thistle]

Some people said that there's only 0.5 second

[green zodiac]

If you’re standing right next to greg then yeah

[fresh glacier]

The time between the projectile launching and the explosion is instant

[nimble patio]

but that doesnt make it hitscan because it has a travel time; in tf2 if i stood directly next to someone as demoman and shot them with my grenade launcher they would take damage instantly but that doesnt make the grenade launcher hitscan

[green zodiac]

But it can take 1.5+ seconds to reach you at the edges of the arena

So yeah

[nimble patio]

daktota the laser takes time to get to you

[fresh glacier]

Oh

[green zodiac]

💀

[astral thistle]

Still yet to try that myself but it doesn't matter because i can't survive the fight with anything under 100k ehp

[misty charm]

so basically

[nimble patio]

or, it used to, rather, lol

[fresh glacier]

Huh, I thought it was a fixed delay, then a instant explosion wherever you were

[misty charm]

it travels instantly, but still has the delay between contact and explosion

[fast sky]

if the delay is reasonable i think thats fair

[fresh glacier]

Eh this is a pointless discussion lol

I'm talking about if hitscan means the delay between targetting and launch or launch and hit

[green zodiac]

So like how fast is watched laser speed now

Back to early beta?

[nimble patio]

it feels like it's back to early beta

[green zodiac]

Hmmm doom

[fast sky]

any TNAers I want to see it

[hardy whale]

It’s at an unforgiving speed somewhat from what I saw in 1.12.2

[nimble patio]

it travels instantly but if you happen really to still be moving really quickly at the time you were locked on you can dodge the explosion but like

[green zodiac]

I would do TNA but crash bug...

And I would have to play on 1.12.2 🤢

[nimble patio]

it is far from consistent or fair at all lol

[misty charm]

what was he cooking

[hardy whale]

^^

The 5 Greg’s that spawn in the fight using watched at the same time like

[nimble patio]

idk i feel like (i hope) that lumia probably just tried to marginally increase the laser speed but something probably went wrong to make it instant again lol

[fast sky]

maybe added an extra 0 in velocity

[green zodiac]

Probably beam speed *= 3 instead of beam speed += 3

[nimble patio]

the laser did feel a bit slow so i wouldnt have been opposed to a small increase in its speed but yeah making it basically hitscan again aint it lol

[nimble patio]

can you test what your base spell costs are?

with no gear whatsoever

and no int at all

[fast sky]

in a run rn will test later, and i changed server then my spells cost reverted to normal 🥴

[nimble patio]

if base spell costs got updated then that's huge 👀

actually i was gonna go to sleep but ill hop on rn just to test archer with like the traveler or something

[fast sky]

maybe i am in older server now

[woven niche]

Yeah Idk why Lumia would buff it back to the original beta version, it was either an accident or just wasn't meant to be pushed

I hope :(

[astral thistle]

Remove cci for greg because it has no leg

[normal sluice]

well it is intentional i'll tell you that
probably too much of a buff though

[fast sky]

warrior cost was the same in the server where my mage has weird costs btw

[astral thistle]

Lower your cps

[nimble patio]

no it's real 👀 my arrow storm and bomb costs are 35/45 when they were originally 40/50

[misty charm]

Holy Hell That's Crazy

[nimble patio]

I Know Right

[fast sky]

that means i am on an old world 😔

[hushed axle]

still waiting for nerfs

to the ability tree

[hardy whale]

Waiting for a third summon, to the summoner tree to replace Shepard.

[green zodiac]

God we need patch notes

:anguish:

[hushed axle]

Probably shouldn't expect any new abilities or anything too drastic to be made.

except for like, the far future maybe?

[hardy whale]

Yeah…. 😔

[green zodiac]

Yeah

Perhaps never even

Lol!

[hardy whale]

Least make the puppets a liiiiittttttle stronger at least (5% dmg increase in like air or earth idk, and effigies 5% in water)

[nimble patio]

skull

[hushed axle]

Trapper and trickster need the most work done in terms of like, reworking abilities.

imo

[green zodiac]

Mhm

Paladin too

[hushed axle]

maybe

[hardy whale]

Paladin should do team dmg absorption tankage / healing maybe (paladins are light knights usually)

[hushed axle]

Might be a hot take but I think paladin would be better if it wasn't all focused on defense and had more damage-based abilities.

[hardy whale]

So it loosens it defense when it attacks but doesn’t when it’s in a defense state?

[fresh glacier]

I think pala could be more active

and have to do stuff for defense

[hardy whale]

Maybe it could riposte time to time

[hushed axle]

Yeah this could be interesting.

[hushed axle]

Yeah this is what I think would make it better

Make it less "tutle-y"

[hardy whale]

Paladin is like the turtle engineer in 2fort, all defense, no offense as of rn

[green zodiac]

Not a hot take

I support it

Paladin just being all defense also pushes the extremes of tanky vs. non tanky builds

[hushed axle]

Yeah it is probably one of the most specialized archetypes.

[green zodiac]

Which is womp womp for balance

So giving it damage and support abilities would help keep it in line with the other archetypes

[hushed axle]

I haven't played full paladin but from what I have seen it is only used for pure tanks, and most other warrior builds with paladin abilities will only partially invest in it (for mantle or smthn).

[green zodiac]

Radiance

[hushed axle]

[nimble patio]

paladin/sharpshooter/ritualist to me just feel underdeveloped with the amount of abilities that they have

ritualist especially feels very shallow

[green zodiac]

True

[hushed axle]

Yeah I think ritualist is cool and it is one of my favourite archetypes but this is still kinda true

Also to me trapper is the archetype with the most confusing identity.

[nimble patio]

it’s a really neat concept but it just doesn’t have many gameplay changing abilities other than just switching masks

sharpshooter is kinda similar if not a bit worse actually

and yeah I agree with trapper having the most confusing identity

it’s trying to be DPS/crowd control/self support but not really particularly good in any one field

[hushed axle]

Trapper has abilities that go against each other lol.

[nimble patio]

mana traps feel really tacked on an as an ability

[hushed axle]

It seems like it was the most “let’s just do what seems cool” designed archetype of them all.

[fresh glacier]

I think if moving totem was swapped out for a better defensive change while in lunatic it would be better

[hushed axle]

Seeking totem

[fast sky]

i just got murdered when i mistimed 2 teleports in a row and everyone is dead

i think instant beam is fine but the delay between beam hitting and explosion happening is way too low

[nimble patio]

what class

[fast sky]

mage

[nimble patio]

well teleport is just goated I think it is definitely not fine lol

[fast sky]

(300 ping, so by the time I see the message the fire beam is already on me)

[nimble patio]

idk I think it just requires too much precision and is way too punishing

[fast sky]

it does and i agree

i think delay between beam and explosion and/or radius decrease is needed if the beam speed stays

on the second thought I should've just sprint and use time dilation and i would be fine
(the attack is still NOT fine)

[uncut island]

why the fuck did they make watched beams instant

sure making it more punishing when you mess up is good (instead of taking absolutely no damage unless you just stand there)
but why instant
i can accept a 2x speed boost for the beams but instant is just shit

[uncut island]

yeah it feels literally impossible to dodge rn

[placid loom]

Just looking at it 💀

[hardy whale]

Instant is too brutal, slow it down a little bit. Give an opening limited chance to be evasive. But that’s just me

[astral thistle]

watched beam can't be avoid even I have 134% walk speed

because the red eyeball blind and slow you a bit

and I can only dodge about 30%-40% of the hits, and if everyone else dies, greg just gonna spam like 10 beams on you and you die if 2 of them hit

[muted roost]

the “watched” attack damage needs to be toned down greatly to balance things out

[hardy whale]

I disagree, the watched is meant to do that type of dmg and always will, just slow down the beam speed a little bit so its at least a little escapable.

[green zodiac]

Oh wow the damage indicator removal really makes TNA berry room harder

[hardy whale]

The error message bug still exists just wanted to alarm you just incase if you wanna do the raids

[green zodiac]

I know

I just crashed lol

And another person in our party crashed

[hardy whale]

For Halloween on wynncraft I’m gonna cosplay as the abyssal dukun mob (armor included)

[green zodiac]

So the watched speed buff is fully intentional? Or was a buff intentional but not this much

[misty charm]

buff intentional, not sure if it was intended to be that much but i'd guess probably

[misty charm]

for the record i think it's way too fast

[nimble patio]

lumia confirmed she reduced it to be faster than it was before but obviously slower than it is now

unsure when it'll get pushed

#1025417092859699350 message

[thorny gust]

Make it drop armor tomes so i dont have to run a bugged tcc raid

[uncut island]

i got triple rend the barrier'd

[uncut island]

wait did collection get deleted

[uncut island]

is it just me or rend the barrier feels somewhat op

[hardy whale]

It’s supposed to be a tough attack to evade unless you know how to angle Greg in a way to not be affected by it when you use your movement spell.

[uncut island]

well that is correct I guess, it is tough to not take a single hit from it unless you're miles away from Greg or like what, having teammates aggroing it? idk.

k a question
yall just tank half of rtb when it happens?
i cant really escape from it so i take atleast one hit when greg is on me

[hardy whale]

If you can’t escape it, use a nearby void hole to either launch you into the air or send you to the roof void hole, it better than losing loads of HP

[fresh glacier]

Rend? wasn't it nerfed?

[uncut island]

damn thats a smart move
not sure if my teammates will be happy with all the greater ones existing
might have to kill those

[fresh glacier]

It's dodgeable at a large range away thats what I know

[hardy whale]

If people keep talking about nerfing or buffing Greg, he’s gonna have an identity crisis.

[fresh glacier]

and with the smaller hitboxes what about just strafing with movement spell spam as he uses it

[fresh glacier]

Rend has always needed a nerf imo

But like, I don't feel it would be undodgeable

4 block aoe at the start that's pretty small

[hardy whale]

Don’t talk to me or my son ever again.

[fresh glacier]

You would assume it's dodgeable with 4 blocks and a large telegraph

[uncut island]

the range stinks for a slight bit
think it travelled like somewhere between 1/4 or like 1/3 of the arena in one RtB

also greg can have 2 rend the barriers casting at once (dealing double damage
like more skulls or quick consecutive purple nukes

[fresh glacier]

Neither of those matter

[hardy whale]

All I care about TNA / raid/ in general is fixing this annoying as hella bug>>> https://ibb.co/mBRTM9h

[fresh glacier]

I'm talking about how easy it is to dodge, damage doesn't matter and range doesn't matter I'm talking about close range

I know from a long range it's dodgeable, but what about close range with the nerf

[uncut island]

oh yeah about bugs

[hardy whale]

I’ve seen people lose loads of tol due to this and being kicked out of raids

[uncut island]

pls fix pfinder moving you into a full wc

or occasional server kick in the middle of a raid

[hardy whale]

About 5-6+ ppl sent the same bug report including myself, make one today!

Also this bug affects All dungeons and raids to.

[uncut island]

well if 5-6 people shitted about how crappy those bugs are i doubt if i have to make one
dungeons wtf

so you could be in a run of forgery and get kicked then have like your whole 7/8 turn into 0/8?

[hardy whale]

🤷‍♂️

All I know right now is playing 1.12.2 doesn’t cause the kick, though I prefer the better quality of 1.16.5. 😔

[uncut island]

wow salted very cool wynncraft-ic wynncraft feature dont add more of those because i will die of admiration if that happens

[uncut island]

i play on 1.12.2 and i still get kicked

maybe there are 2 kinds of server kicks

[hardy whale]

Hmm, not so sure why it’d do that

[hardy whale]

Tfw a campfire can do better healing than the shaman regen skill for ritualist / summoner https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gprTCEF38fQ

[fast sky]

okay i went on a small ritulyte session (with royal hydrangea) and as expected watched is horrible as shaman, mainly due to the eyes spawned right before he enters the phase

[uncut island]

watched is always horrible on shaman

[fast sky]

since you are dancing around with haul its more than likely that the eyes will catch up to your totem site

and with the blind and fair amount of true damage it is very deadly

[hardy whale]

I just stay away from the eyes and everyone around me. I also use Royal hydrangea and have little issues

[fast sky]

It's not unavoidable, just that the combo can be quite deadly if you get caught

If you know when it's coming you can easily create large distances before it starts, doesn't mean it's fair with current watched speed though

[nimble patio]

the pfinder world switching kicks is something to do with their server provider that they have to fix

[misty charm]

can we get better lighting in the arena

it's like super dark in some spots and it really does not feel good to die from falling into a void hole because it was in a light level = 0 area

[nimble patio]

alright so it seems that the changes to watched got pushed because ive taken blasts that appeared to be less than 55% damage

it's definitely a good bit faster now than before all the changes but i can still pretty reliably dodge it with haul so it's pretty good

[hardy whale]

Constant greg changes always scratch my head

[nimble patio]

i mean i think watching was deserving of a buff

[fresh glacier]

I think theres just a lot to adjust

Imagine if the ability trees got the same constant changes as tna tho

[hardy whale]

Greg's battle theme should be the happy birthday song on loop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=himMuv2g0Co

[fresh glacier]

Oh yeah

greg battle theme still not here..

Wasn't cgg almost done? it's been a while since release

[hardy whale]

Once it comes it'll be worth the wait, thats for sure. Corpe / Xavier b cookin a good one.

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-white-meme-breaking-bad-cooking-jesse-we-need-to-cook-gif-25990838

but until then

use garvans battle theme as a replacement

[fresh glacier]

Garvan try not to be obliterated in under 1 second

Sharpshooter exists

[hardy whale]

garvan feels like it pokes at greg oddly.

[uncut island]

meanwhile assassins coping

[fresh glacier]

Hey that's a good thing assassins might actaully be challenged by the fight

[uncut island]

me when

[fast sky]

ok so the attack still is super hard to dodge as assassin when you are not in vanish (shadow travel), I have 100ws and if I run out of mana sprinting straight nets me a direct hit (60%) and thats nearly unavoidable when you are alone and not a spell assassin

with my ping even double dashing isn't enough and it's super mana intensive just trying not to get hit by the inner hitbox

it's horrible, just increase the delay or reduce the inner hitbox size thanks

[hardy whale]

The Wandering Nerd Anomaly General Feedback Thread.

[placid loom]

Is there an estimate for the shadowfix that fixes taking near lethal fall damage when entering the raid?

[vast elm]

Just use movement spell if you notice you don’t get to right away

[placid loom]

Yeah, screw fixing bugs

[vast elm]

It feels like one of the low priority bugs compared to everything else

[placid loom]

I mean, sure. Let's be a little innovative

Wynncraft does tend to announce in-game every now and then some random shit that nobody cares about

Why not announce this little "fix" to the bug so everyone, and I mean everyone, knows how to avoid it

[vast elm]

I agree there’s alot of “little” info you have to learn the hard way or have someone else tell you. Makes being “out of the loop” feel like shit

[normal sluice]

i can take a look at it and see if i can fix it

[hushed axle]

I am 90% sure it only happens with lag so the best fix is probably using lightweight

[normal sluice]

yeah thats what i did

[nimble patio]

i really do not think lag is what causes it

i have pretty good internet and even on good worlds it can happen although i did notice the fall damage only happens when you get sent to hold room

you dont take fall damage if you get berry room

[normal sluice]

i've added lightweight to players for a few seconds when entering the raid so it should be fine

[nimble patio]

awesome

[hardy whale]

[hardy whale]

Live recorded audio of raid players entering TNA to lose 95% of their hp like: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DctruDBrdmM

[muted roost]

[placid loom]

[nimble patio]

[misty charm]

fall damage bug happens consistently with hold room yeah

never with berry

[whole drift]

ok ngl the hp loss was kind of awesome for fallen

free corrupted

[hardy whale]

funny feedback:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ekVlcpdZM

[misty charm]

did you make this

[hardy whale]

no, found it on youtube. It's cool-

[misty charm]

how many times did you edit that message

[hardy whale]

about 900 times in 0.5 seconds.

[misty charm]

awesome

[jolly notch]

keeping with the blue theme with the raid, greg should blue screen your PC if you fail, good idea?

[hardy whale]

or just cosplay as the mobs in the raid through using loot crate skins-

[real flicker]

no that’s a terrible idea, it should just send a pipe bomb to your current location instead

[jolly notch]

I'll ask my great uncle teddy about that

[real flicker]

hey he was a great friend of mine!

kept asking me to bring nails to his cabin even after he finished building it… kinda weird ngl

[jolly notch]

teddy was such a silly little guy

I wonder what he did with all those boxes

[real flicker]

not sure, I’m glad he sent me a little package in the mail though 🫶

[analog mango]

In my opinion you should balance it, the Boss is very weak, the Challenges are too easy but are a bit boring. The Watch should be a lot weaker. I cant dodge watches not even if i teleport. The Tree Challenge needs more explanation and the speed of the Stealer in the Bulb-challenge is way to random (sometimes they are so slow and sometimes you cant catch them even with Charge). The Dmaage of the Boss is in my opinion very random. The only reason why im dying in this raid are the watches or random 1 or 2 Hits (I have 120k EHP). The Raid isnt hard, its just bad balanced

[uncut island]

stop before they buff rend the barrier to a waaay too strong attack

[hardy whale]

this has been like the 6th-7thth greg change

[uncut island]

i just cant cope with rtb
save my mind

[hardy whale]

I declare it as a skill issue if your having troubles with something in the boss fight in some cases. It's too weak, it's too strong, the watch is too fast, the watch is too slow, the dmg is too high, the dmg is too low.

[uncut island]

meanwhile greg spamming 3 rtbs on my corpse

[hardy whale]

use void hole to escape greg lunge either it being sent to the roof or being flung up if movement spells are not your best option.

[uncut island]

eh

[hardy whale]

At this point the whole raids at a point of no return in trying to make it supposedly balanced for a public majority while in the results of " fair " raid awards. But I'll just still beat greg with a team regardless what gets changed in hotfix #6.

[analog mango]

Yes one problem is that ghost can trigger Guardian ID, so if a guardian survives the ghosts will kill him if they are to close

[hardy whale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/971570290222047292/wynncraft_2_small.gif

[analog mango]

In my opinion the raid is great but it is to much rng

[uncut island]

moment

[fast sky]

i think greg is in a pretty good state now

there's no random death in the boss fight, if you die randomly you are simply not paying attention and punishment is deserved

(watched could use a little more delay between beam and explosion but that's about it)

[digital sentinel]

if you are attempting to face tank the boss that's why you are getting 1 shot with that much ehp (someone deleted a message about having 120k and getting "randomly" one shot)

it appears to deal more damage the lower it gets

[fast sky]

nah all attack deals the same dmg at all times

[digital sentinel]

feeling it gets harder at around 1.2m hp

initially I don't need to retreat but eventually it damages me enough to have to charge away

[fast sky]

i dont think tanks can get 1 shot by rings even, seedpot piles can instantly destroy them but rings if you have 25k+ hp you can definitely feel a strong damage that keeps getting stronger

if you still decide to bath in it then good job, die

[misty charm]

i think the watched attack is in a good spot rn

i have noticed absolutely no cases where i get randomly insta'd

bulb catcher speed is 100% consistent and speed variations are pretty much just players slowing it probably

[uncut island]

yeah it's now g

[grave hawk]

i think the fireball attack on greg should be reworked cuz its kinda irrelevant, but everything else is good

i think watched being such a significant part of the fight and being faster now is actually better because before it was a joke and it only ever hit anyone if they were still blinded by eyes or if they have reaction time of triple digit age

[muted roost]

what are the health thresholds that make the boss go into “watched” mode, and does “watched” mode start immediately upon reaching those thresholds?

[misty charm]

not sure about what the thresholds are but it doesn't start immediately

[fresh glacier]

Charge seems much easier to dodge now

[grave hawk]

they generally are around 15 mil, 10 mil, and 3 mil i think but you can like 2 phase it if you have enough dps. the 15 mil one might trigger when boss is already down to 12 or 13 type ish

[muted roost]

[placid loom]

It's closer to 16mil, 10mil and 4mil

Your dps is just too big to notice

[fast sky]

When Greg reaches 16.5mil, 11 mil and I think 4.5mil, after he finishes the current chain of spells he start spewing eyeballs then immediately goes into watched

There's always eyes spawning before watched so you can start disengaging when you see that

[uncut island]

I kinda disengage when I see eyes so yeah

[grave hawk]

cant be true i play acrobat

[uncut island]

momen

[nimble patio]

i love tna!!!!

[woven niche]

I do not like the leap change that was done at all, it feels like it does absolutely nothing on Acrobat

No offense, it's just still impossible to dodge

I have not tried it yet on Battle Monk though

[hardy whale]

Oh greg! It's 4AM! Time for your daily Balance Peg patch!

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-26280065

[hushed axle]

"time for your nerf!"

lol

[hushed axle]

This probably just relates to the nameless' walk speed.

I think it could be nerfed but it may mess with a lot of things so would require other things to be changed too.

[woven niche]

I don't think it's the walk speed at all

Honestly I think it's the window between the telegraph and the leap, it doesn't give you enough time to space a bit and react to it

[hushed axle]

I disagree

[misty charm]

leap is no different for battle monk

the change didnt really change much if it was just the first two hitboxes

if you're that close, then you're absolutely going to get hit by the first two hitboxes pretty much no matter what

if anything it should taper off as it gets further out honestly since if you're that close you're not dodging it anyway

also i do feel like the walk speed is part of the issue

in regards to getting away before he leaps

[woven niche]

The boss is basically in your face on Acrobat and Battle Monk and it's impossible to get enough distance and avoid it if the roar happens and you're in the middle of attacking, I feel like a major part of the problem is that there's just not enough time for low range classes to move out of the way in time

[misty charm]

i wouldn't be against a slight slow or something like that before he leaps but i do understand that it's probably pretty hard to find a fine line between threatening and not threatening especially with an attack like this

battle monk can escape simply because crouch charge is absolutely cracked and aero is as well

i havent been able to escape with acro though, not a single time

alternatively it could get the ground pound treatment where it does less damage at the outer part of the hitbox

[woven niche]

Nerfing the speed of Greg would help but in my opinion just giving more reaction time would help a lot with the issue

What if the time between the roar and the leap was increased but the hitbox towards the end was increased a bit?

[woven niche]

True but crouch charge is probably not intentional

Also I have heard the attack is still ridiculous to dodge on Battle Monk but I haven't played on my Bmonk Fallen build yet

[misty charm]

i can manage it on battle monk but i still get clipped sometimes

[fresh glacier]

What what leap change

The hitbox stuff? I feel like Its had a effect

[woven niche]

The hitbox towards the beginning of the attack is smaller

[fresh glacier]

Cause Im getting hit way less

[woven niche]

What class are you using

[surreal cosmos]

tfw you use crabs for fallen hero so i want to get hit

[main kite]

Tna is an incredible raid when you win 😁

[misty charm]

oh also is there any chance the lighting in the arena could be like

brighter

[woven niche]

I am really seeing absolutely no way to dodge leap if you're close to the boss on Acrobat

What if the roar telegraph pushed players away before the boss leaped...?

[misty charm]

neat and would also be interesting paired with the void holes

[nimble patio]

walk speed doesnt affect his leap at all if thats what you mean

[misty charm]

it's moreso like

[nimble patio]

ya i get what u mean getting away from him

[misty charm]

if he's slower when about to use the leap, you can make more dist- yeah

[nimble patio]

did the last hotfix that altered the boss spells actually change anything about leap hitbox other than damage and its scaling across distance

[woven niche]

I don't think so

[nimble patio]

i think lumia or nick said it did but i didnt feel it

[woven niche]

I have no idea if it actually scales across distance. It doesn't feel like it does which either means it doesn't or the scaling isn't enough to be felt

[nimble patio]

i meant scaling across distance as in closer you are to the boss the more damage it deals not the distance across the arena mb if i worded that poorly

[woven niche]

I think that the boss should just push players away when it roars so close range classes like Assassin and Warrior have a chance to dodge it instead of having to take time to space themselves

[nimble patio]

btw by leap do u guys mean like the ground pound or the one where it spawns multiple void holes

[woven niche]

The one where it spawns void holes

[nimble patio]

bc that attack is called like 50 different things by the community so i gotta make sure lol

although for both attacks they both just have absurdly large hitboxes lol

[woven niche]

I honestly just cannot have fun in TNA's boss fight as Acrobat because of Leap

[nimble patio]

really? tbh i havent played 2.0 assassin at all so i could be talking a bit disingenuously here but most acrobats ive seen just fly the entire time and can dodge it just fine

(that isnt to say i think the attack is in a fine state)

[woven niche]

I had to solo the boss and it was impossible to dodge it up close

Acrobats can probably dodge it fine because in a party with multiple people they don't get targetted

I don't think the attacks should necessarily be balanced around soloing but also having to actually deal with the attacks in a solo environment starts to reveal how horrid they can be to avoid

[misty charm]

with trickster you straight up cannot dodge it unless you have vanish ready, which isn't guaranteed

i can spam dash away and then straight right and i'll still get clipped

[nimble patio]

for battle monk ive also never really had issues with it (although i am using idol lol) but yeah good fucking luck on shaman

[misty charm]

i mean like

[woven niche]

I think part of this though is that Dash also has pretty garbage velocity but I will not excuse Leap

[misty charm]

it's bmonk

[woven niche]

I don't have issues on Battle Monk unless I have to solo, but I also haven't fought the boss since the changes

but yeah it's also Battle Monk which is extremely mobile

[misty charm]

also i'm not sure if it's vanish or lure or something but during a trickster solo earlier, something was really fucking with its aggro

tree can vouch unless he wasnt watching

[nimble patio]

even with blood connection if you're playing mid range against the boss (optimal as shaman) you literally cannot blood connection up fast enough without getting clipped a bit midair but if he's cycling it then you can dodge the future leaps just fine

haul you are. completely vulnerable. there is nothing you can do with normal haul. you have to cope

[woven niche]

Probably combination of Vanish + Hoodwinks transferring lure to enemies

[nimble patio]

i saw some people talking about bmonk so yea

[woven niche]

I have heard people struggling with Bmonk and people doing fine with Bmonk

[nimble patio]

archers and mages have it easy (what a surprise)

[misty charm]

blink is actually cracked for just getting the hell away

and then archer just has frenzy it will not struggle

[woven niche]

Before the changes I was usually able to dodge Leap so I think now it'll probably be more realistic on Battle Monk

[nimble patio]

dont even need frenzy, escape is that good

[misty charm]

i think the tp buff increased blink distance by like x1.5 or so

[uncut island]

hello gamers

[nimble patio]

personally i dislike leap/ground pound having such absurdly large hitboxes for no reason but the last changes to the spells tried make them more yeah you wont be able to fully dodge it but if you're fast enough you'll only take a little damage which i think is a solid concept

problem is the attacks still dont really feel like the damage scales enough when avoiding them for the most part

[misty charm]

even with the hitbox reduction at the beginning i've been doublehit, even if i dash towards him to try and have it not happen

[nimble patio]

it's kinda impossible to like try and dodge it to the side because the boss isnt like orphion and is normal melee ai

[uncut island]

also uh
is Greg casting 2 attacks at the same time an intentional feature

[woven niche]

I just wanna say that Leap being a major threat, possibly the greatest threat in the fight makes sense but right now it feels unfair and in its state is being the biggest threat for the wrong reason.

All the other attacks are dodgeable, but Leap at times is not dodgeable either because of the class you picked or your position. It is the biggest threat because of its constant pretty significant unavoidable chip damage and if you mess up it's basically instant death

Also yeah if anything if it should continue to be like this it should really get reduced damage

Even if you manage to dodge some of the attack, the chip damage still deals like half of my health

[nimble patio]

we should bring back the speedup but give it an actual telegraph 😼

[woven niche]

The telegraph for the rings is pretty good now in my opinion, the actual sound is low but there is a large explosion effect that happens that is pretty noticeable

So I wouldn't be complaining 😼

[nimble patio]

the teleport sound they make when they spawn is pretty noticeable imo

[woven niche]

There is a sound for when he is about to spawn them which is a low ghast scream noise I think

[misty charm]

i've never heard it

[nimble patio]

dont think ive ever noticed that or paid enough attention

[woven niche]

Yeah well my point is proven

[uncut island]

bump

[nimble patio]

kinda?

[uncut island]

wym by kinda

[woven niche]

I think he is responding to me

However I wasn't being entirely serious

[uncut island]

oh

[nimble patio]

no i meant him

i know that the boss can like sometimes roar multiple times in a single second if thats what u mean

[woven niche]

Should I make a reply to my TNA feedback thread on Leap and also the improvements to the boss since writing it

[uncut island]

yes that

[nimble patio]

i dont think it actually does anything

[uncut island]

but I think I've also seen Greg casting another earthshatter midair, cast denial of freedom twice n stuff

oh wait is that roar referring to the sound effect signifying an attack

[nimble patio]

think that's just related to the boss normally casting faster and cycling spells more often in the later phases

it can get kinda hectic but it's intended i think

[woven niche]

Oh no it definitely does

[nimble patio]

the roar telegraphs the leap/lunge whatever people like to call it

[uncut island]

casting like 2 rtbs is uhh

[woven niche]

When Greg roars multiple times he often also leaps multiple times, which causes the hitboxes to stack and him to change direction mid-charge

[nimble patio]

wild

[woven niche]

It's super fun and cool :)

[uncut island]

2 rend the barriers being casted at the same time just kinda makes more void holes

[nimble patio]

swiss cheese arena

[woven niche]

Well it also causes more hitboxes and a lot of death and it's even harder to dodge because he decides to change direction in the middle of a charge

[uncut island]

but I'm not sure if the damage stacks
because if I get hit by rend the barrier, no matter if it's duped or just 1, I die with my 20k ehp

[nimble patio]

i find it kinda funny how leap has been one of the biggest problems for the fight since release

watched is in a pretty good spot now though

[woven niche]

Watched is good

How much damage does Watched deal now though? I have been clipped by Watched and it deals way less damage than it did before

It deals like 20% HP now

[nimble patio]

its damage also scales on your distance from the explosion now

[woven niche]

I see

[misty charm]

60% if within 6 blocks, 20% if within 8?

i think

[nimble patio]

i know lumia posted like the exact numbers somewhere

[fast sky]

25 within 8 iirc

[nimble patio]

#1025417092859699350 message

[misty charm]

ah

[woven niche]

Honestly I would be happy even if the damage of Leap got nerfed and nothing else, it just feels way too powerful damage-wise if it is going to always clip people

I just don't want to get murdered by two leaps that clipped me in a row while trying to dodge them...

[misty charm]

yo clip that

[fast sky]

Maybe transfer some of the neutral damage into elemental ones

The outer hitboxes are purely neutral and it really hurts

But to me I feel fine with mage, archer, bmonk and shade/trickster but that could be because I build those very high mobility, I can't say much for acro and shaman though

[woven niche]

I don't think that would help very much besides giving an advantage to people with ele defs

[misty charm]

doesn't leap just have like

all of the damage instances being the same size for each hitbox or whatever

[fast sky]

Leap has 2 hitboxes, outer which consists of purely neutral damage, and inner which consists of purely elemental damage

[green zodiac]

Please use mask of the coward to dodge attacks

🤯

[misty charm]

huh i thought that they both had the same size

[nimble patio]

my nuts

[fast sky]

Outer is 8 and inner is 6

[fresh glacier]

Leap as in charge?

[misty charm]

8 my ass what the hell

[fresh glacier]

Or ground pound

[fast sky]

Charge

[misty charm]

leap as in charge

[fast sky]

Ground pound has 3 hitboxes, 10/8/3

[fresh glacier]

I felt like I dodged charge more with the changes

[hushed axle]

not really how it works

[fresh glacier]

I dont entirely know since aggro wasnt always on me

[fast sky]

Is it?

[fresh glacier]

But it felt like greg charging near me didnt mean a garunteed hit

[fast sky]

I'm quite sure that's how it works besides first 2 holes having 4/6 radius

[hushed axle]

We can't really do outer hitboxes, they are all spheres around a coordinate

[misty charm]

basically it's just 2 hitboxes layered but one is bigger

[hushed axle]

yeah

[fast sky]

Yeah they stack

My wording might be a little confusing

[hushed axle]

oh my b

I misinterpreted

[fast sky]

Oh it's a sphere and not cylinder thanks for confirming

[hushed axle]

I mean, I think so, no exactly sure.

[uncut island]

acrobat is fine
not the damage

[misty charm]

anyway if it were up to me the only changes i'd make would be to give a bit of slowness before leap and have the hitbox size taper off as it goes further

nobody's dodging it up close so the smaller hitboxes at close range do pretty much nothing

[hushed axle]

I think the nameless is in a good place right now for the rewards.

[misty charm]

rewards are good

[fast sky]

Is something like locking the boss rotation for a split second before a charge possible?

[hushed axle]

Yeah but I am kinda against any reactionary changes for the boss atm.

[nimble patio]

rewards are mostly fine but honestly i personally would slightly lower the emerald rewards even further ONLY SLIGHTLY

[fast sky]

Alright, just curious

[nimble patio]

by the way nick tna only drops cip/cib/cur/cgg keys

im not sure if thats intended

[hushed axle]

yes, is that an issue?

[misty charm]

me when the se raid does not drop the key for the se dungeon

[hushed axle]

idk I didn't do the rewards

[green zodiac]

Just strange that it skips some keys

[hushed axle]

yeah, not sure about the logic behind it

[nimble patio]

i said it before but i personally wouldnt be against specific raids only dropping specific keys but nol and tcc drop every single key so its weird lol

[green zodiac]

At the same time fix TCC skipping random t3 mats too…

[nimble patio]

that feels intentional since every raid was like that including tna when it did drop dernics

[fast sky]

I think the boss is fine at it's current iteration although I miss the speedup pushes

[green zodiac]

Probably but it is also silly

[nimble patio]

i also feel like the amount of powders/amps tna gives is also pretty absurdly high for no reason

[fast sky]

Yeah powders 6 are like 5eb now

[hushed axle]

lol

[nimble patio]

i mean i dont care about prices at all is the thing

[fast sky]

And t2 amps are basically worthless

Although I'm happy I can slap powders on armor for eledef easily now but it fills up my bank very quickly

[misty charm]

the only thing i think needing a change rn is leap but i also feel it's important that leap is changed like, correctly? ig

[nimble patio]

i dislike it because how are future raid rewards are going to be balanced when tna already gives so many powders

if the scaling is kept then a future dern raid would give like 30 tier 6s per run

you'd need to like make higher powder tiers lol

[fast sky]

[green zodiac]

[nimble patio]

same for amps and while i think having higher tiers of powders and amps in the future is a good idea i unno if thats whats actually planned

[hushed axle]

Honestly Powder and amp rewards could be reduced a lot

[green zodiac]

TNA casually outputting chestnut horses

[fast sky]

Imagine dropping nuts

[nimble patio]

chestnuts are like incredibly rare so theyre fine i think

[hushed axle]

(Yeah there may have been a bit of overcompensation for the nerfed rewards...)

[fast sky]

I think across 200 runs I dropped only 1

[nimble patio]

yeah same here it took me 200 shaman runs to get my first chestnut

[hushed axle]

nice lol

[green zodiac]

T7 powders would definitely be uh something

[nimble patio]

obviously theyd also be like exclusive to any specific future regions

[fast sky]

The specialist when t7 powder

[nimble patio]

or just make t7s need an equally absurd amount of t6s

i am surprised that no tier 4 amp was made this raid

speaking of which i have no idea if you or lumia have stake in it nick but man amps are just the biggest placebo item ever

barely do anything

[misty charm]

amps could work in their current state but they need big number adjustments

sure the original state may have made perfect items more common (which honestly i dont have a problem with) but they were changed to the current state without changing the numbers of them whatsoever

[nimble patio]

i also would like to mention how awesome it has been to directly communicate with the people designing and balancing the raid

[hardy whale]

They very nice people

[hardy whale]

looks like they changed gregs model.

[woven niche]

Are the bombs in the TNA fight supposed to sometimes just explode instantly without warning 🤨

[nimble patio]

when we can we nerf eye damage

[woven niche]

In 4 hours 27 minutes 53 seconds

[placid loom]

unfortunately certain super tank classes don't die easily enough, so instead of nerfing those classes, the boss would have to be hyper buffed

[hushed axle]

Yeah, it kinda sucks but oh well...

[fresh glacier]

we need to nerf defensive sp even more!!

[misty charm]

leap if it did %max hp

[hardy whale]

can we get much higher

[fresh glacier]

so high

[hardy whale]

the third one going upwards looks very pissed

[fresh glacier]

Why are it's eyes closed

[hardy whale]

idk

[fresh glacier]

wait do they blink

[hardy whale]

no

[fresh glacier]

Huh

[hardy whale]

Just the angle of which I took the photo to make it look pissed off, or somewhat unpleased.

[fresh glacier]

Yeah

[misty charm]

bumping cause the thread disappeared on me in the channel list

[nimble patio]

bc there were no posts for a while

[misty charm]

yeah

[vast elm]

Imo my biggest problem is “bulb” room. Rng is annoying and just needs to increase spawn rates imo. And when Greg switched to “watching” mode the he tends to not warn for his first shot and I find myself being “instakilled” with what feels like very alittle counter play available

[fresh glacier]

I think theres a fair amount that can be done to avoid watched

Knowing that hes in the centre, the on screen text, the particles, the eyes spawning

[hardy whale]

Bulb Room Tip: Stay away from the bulbs, up's the rate the bulb keepers spawn.

White line in Watched being aimed at you is the warning, its rather you are able to evade it fast enough.

[vast elm]

I find this only happens when I have a group with very high dps. You get hit with one of his blindness spells and don’t see that he tp to middle. He won’t warn he’s watching for the first shot and that’s where the “instakill” comes in.

[hardy whale]

giant purple text: " You Are Being Watched "

[vast elm]

For the bulb room it seems stupid to me you have to go away from the bulbs to make them spawn. You’re suppose to be protecting them

[vast elm]

I’m saying this does not pop up when high dps for the first shot

Or maybe someone in my party is “being watched” next to me but imo the giant aoe needs to ne tuned down or have an animation that looks similar to the hit box

A lot of the time I feel like I dodged the beam only to take a shit ton of damage

[fresh glacier]

That's the poin5

To have people go away from the bulbs for the keepers and some defending

[fresh glacier]

Eh I think it's fine, you should try to stay away from allies anyway and it's easy enough I don't think it should get easier

[vast elm]

I’m just sayin the “flow” from group fighting Greg to everyone spread from “watching” needs a better transition. There are quite a few times everyone is blind, doesn’t see Greg tp to middle and randomly be shot with mega beam and die. Tell the whole group when watching happens or give a small delay after he’s in the middle so people have time to see he’s gone

[plain hearth]

Get worse

[vast elm]

Talk to your son he lost his nen

[nimble patio]

i do think the initial watched laser when the phase starts could use a bit of a delay

especially when you are in the middle of already dodging one of the boss' spells and then have to dodge the laser

not really an issue with most classes but with shaman im forced to rethrow a totem and haul which i cant always do in time

[vast elm]

I have issues cause I use divzer so those random hits are really really scary

[hardy whale]

Yo nip, if you have a low totem / haul cost you can spam that in the air during the watched round stay away from ppl through flying, if not then yeah I can see why

[nimble patio]

thats not the issue

[main kite]

just use speed surge + bipedal spring

made for a reason guys

[whole drift]

it already has a pretty obvious transition, at certain hp thresholds he starts spamming eyes as a tell for like 10-15 seconds ish before going to mid

you can just disengage early instead of keeping up the dps for that amount of time, its like a trade off

it also has sound tells for each eye he spawns so even if you are blinded you can know

[vast elm]

I did not know this ty

[misty charm]

greg dupe bug still exists (and i almost soloed it this time)

since it's like 1 greg with double script spells, it spams leap and ground pound so much by the time it's at 1-2M it's perpetually in the air

[green zodiac]

I think the true damage rings could be toned down a bit

Obviously anecdoctal but it just feels quite bad when you just step in them and then instantly die

Since they all spawn clumped together and tick quite fast

[green zodiac]

Soloed greg from 15 mil to 1 mil as trickster... then died to rings

It's great that it has a telegraph (though idk what it even is), but it's definitely overly punishing (instadeath) if you fall into it

[fast sky]

Boss explodes, end portal sound

Explosion looks like ghast fireball explosion, imo pretty easy to see unless mage spamming meteor

[green zodiac]

Cool

But yeah a bit too much instant damage that I have seen just one-shot players

[fast sky]

I think the tick rate could be doubled while damage halved

That way a stack of say 3 rings wouldn't instantly wipe you out

(I still think the damage is too high for regular non-tank players), maybe from 3000 -> 1000+10%hp?

[misty charm]

i think it's fine if they're that dangerous

just maybe a bit easier to see them? not sure

[fast sky]

Are there any other fitting particles, I do think current one sucks thanks to lighting of the arena

[misty charm]

lighting in the arena is so bad

like 2/3 of it is ok and then there's these certain spots that are pitch black

[fast sky]

From where you spawn in the area immediately to the right is very dark

[misty charm]

i've fallen into void holes there which bugged and didn't deal any damage or pop me out, and i didnt realize cause it was so dark

[fast sky]

Seems like the void hole in the front half of the arena just doesn't work at all

Front being near where you spawn, fallen can't jump into where the boss spawn in for damage anymore

[misty charm]

i think that was changed intentionally

for some reason or another

[fast sky]

That's weird

Now you can just chill in those holes with enough healing which is silly

[misty charm]

trickster is so based

[nimble patio]

idk i think rings are pretty fine

[fast sky]

I really hate eyes rn but idk if that's a shaman issue since I never had any problems with them before

[surreal cosmos]

guys what if pandemonium can cast random abilities instead of spells 🤯

imagine trickster pande spawning 100 clones

[sterile imp]

anyone knows if attack that spawns purple particle effects on ground has a sound cue ?

[nimble patio]

ya

[sterile imp]

because god damn i try hard to hear anything but it just seems to appear without any sound cue every time

[nimble patio]

makes sound that end portal makes when being completed and the circles that spawn make teleport noises

[sterile imp]

wow i dont think i have ever noticed this sound 👀

[nimble patio]

i hear it

[hardy whale]

It also makes a slightly quiet scream sound that’s low pitched

[misty charm]

how high does leap's hitbox reach? just saw a video where it looks like leap was dodged by going up super high

or well i guess i should ask how the hitbox works

[grave hawk]

on acro you have enough range to be comboing greg about 1 second after he lands 😃

so probably around 8 blocks radius of where he lands

[misty charm]

leap, not ground pound

[grave hawk]

...? leap = earthshatter

do u mean the rend the barrier charge

[uncut island]

and that is why I call them eshatter and RtB

[nimble patio]

those are just random names deus gave to the attacks on the wiki that aren’t really official

[uncut island]

gg
atleast it's written on the wiki just that people can know which is which

[grave hawk]

[misty charm]

yes

[grave hawk]

to dodge it you dont have to be that high, you just have to be somewhat high and close to greg. that way greg reaches max height after charging way past you, so you're not in any danger. dont bait greg towards the wall of the arena either, or greg will just climb up in place while charging and hit u anyway

[misty charm]

interesting

[uncut island]

so anyways

any idea on how greg watched can literally deal 90% of your health

i had 18k health and it dropped to 1k

because i couldnt move quick enough to dodge it

[misty charm]

55% max hp

[uncut island]

i have 20k max hp

and that means it should take away like 10k

not 17k

[green zodiac]

Did you have double greg bug or something

Or get hit by an eye at the same time

[uncut island]

no
it was just a bland beam

was just flying above greg as acrobat and messed up my spell cycle right when he goes watched

didnt have enough speed to dodge the first beam and had basically all my hp taken away by that

[fast sky]

Inner hitbox deals 60% total now but that doesn't explain it

[uncut island]

my 3 teammates died before me due to that thing in the first and second watched phase

[green zodiac]

Oh it was buffed from 55? Interesting

[fast sky]

outer is 25 inner is 25+35

[green zodiac]

Interesting

But yeah damage falloff is nice

So I guess they had to buff the direct hit to 60%

[nimble patio]

also is it just me but it feels like whenever i do tna on a new class for the first time the first completion chest doesnt seem any different from normal

all the other raids get a first completion "bonus" right

is it intentional tna doesnt get one? not like it needs it because the rewards are so good as is but just thought i should bring it up

[normal sluice]

so

youre right- there is an issue with the first completion bonus

we're working on it

[nimble patio]

thank you lexnt

incredibly helpful

[normal sluice]

it is different to the regular rewards

but not noticeably so

[nimble patio]

bump

i know these threads arent for bug reports but it's possible to be softlocked from completing the raid if you kill two shadowlings at once

there's been similar issues in both tcc (if 2 players stepped on a platform at the same time) and nol (if two players kill a crystalline decay at the same time) where it would register as one but those werent as big of issues since you could just do it over again

[plain hearth]

they still didnt fix that?

i had a bug like that with a quest like 1.5 years ago

[nimble patio]

ive asked lex before in 1.20 if the bug could be patched and i was told it couldnt but since tna can literally just fail if this happens

it would be nice if there was a way to like reset the shadowlings in case you kill them all and cannot progress

[plain hearth]

would checking how many are alive every x seconds and correcting the kill count with that work?

[nimble patio]

i unno

[normal sluice]

i think it can be fixed nowadays

which room is that specifically? im not super familiar with tna

[nimble patio]

lightbearer/ dark room

[plain hearth]

the light escort one

[normal sluice]

got it

[nimble patio]

go for it

[normal sluice]

i am looking at it and it looks like the fix implementation should already be there

[nimble patio]

also isn’t this just like, a generalist bug anyways

[normal sluice]

but there's one thing i can see that might be causing it?

so ill try a change

uhh basically it's like

each mob kill runs its own separate script essentially. scripts have to be able to run at the same time as each other, but in this case that essentially allows both of them to run math at the exact same time. so what happens is they pull from data at the same time, both add 1 to the number killed (which is the same # for both of them when the math happens), and both set the data to the new number. and now it's only counted as one kill because both ran at the same time

if that makes sense. it might not

[nimble patio]

this seems like a pretty good explanation however I am incompetent so yeah nice 👍

[normal sluice]

we have a way to force a certain chunk of functions to stop anything else from running until they finish, which is what's generally used here

(and, was actually used here already, so i don't really know why this is happening)

(though i have one thing i can see that could be a cause so ive changed it and we'll hope for the best)

[green zodiac]

Data redundancy real world example 🤯

Actually not data redundancy

But something similar

[nimble patio]

I posted that screenshot of the shadowlings counting as one kill like the moment it happened however out of over 300 raids that was the first time it ever happened because killing two shadowlings at once in general is just incredibly unlikely

[normal sluice]

real

[nimble patio]

so basically from what I could gather from this is it is just a general bug regarding scripts but if necessary you can implement a contingency for it

[normal sluice]

yep

[nimble patio]

have you done this for tcc/nol yet? I actually just straight up have barely done those raids this update so I have no idea

[normal sluice]

probably not

but i can go through and do that at some point if you tell me the problem locations

[nimble patio]

the only times it’s ever an issue is in tcc’s 3 passageway room (if two or more players step on a platform at the same time it counts as 1 and all 3 will need to get off and get back on to start the countdown) and the cloud room in nol where if you kill multiple crystalline decays at once it counts as 1 and you have to wait for a new spawn cycle

[normal sluice]

👍

[nimble patio]

i have no idea if it is ever an issue in notg

[green zodiac]

Notg doesn’t have any room like that so no

[normal sluice]

at a glance 3 platforms would probably need to have its scripts rewritten entirely to fix that (awesome) so ill save that for another day

[normal sluice]

which cloud room is this? is it a room1 or room2

[nimble patio]

2

[normal sluice]

i would just love to rewrite all of these old raid scripts. but that would be a big waste of time probably

[nimble patio]

would you have to rewrite it for that room as well

[normal sluice]

no this one's easy

it's just. very much a product of its time

[nimble patio]

at worst those bugs are just mild inconveniences and waste a little time so

[normal sluice]

the cloud room one is fine

ill probably just leave the other one

[true geyser]

why is the light dog harder than greg

[nimble patio]

me when the funny light dog was “balanced” with old high end pre nerf ehp values

and wasn’t changed in funny update which nerfed said values

[true geyser]

i did not realize it didnt get changes with tcc

did tcc itself even get changes it still hurts

[nimble patio]

the challenge rooms did but none of the bosses because selvut does not know how to change script spells

it will happen. eventually. i do not know when

[misty charm]

light dog was overtuned even with previous ehp values

dumb mf and his 50k damage heavy explosion

[vast elm]

Anyone know how to deal with purple circles, I understand they have to be powerful to kill tanks but it’s kinda hard to deal with, is there a sound that goes with it or something I never know when they trigger.

[hardy whale]

You hear a low pitched mob death sound along with a higher pitched end portal opening sound ig? as Greg speeds up a bit, you just wanna stay away from the circles as a whole

The trigger is random as the battle goes on

[blazing shale]

Its the enderdragon sound

You have to movement away and avoid the path greg took (circles despawn after like 5 seconds ish its not very long at all)

[normal sluice]

🤔

¯_(ツ)_/¯