#terarria-discussion
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terarria-discussion
big brain
Aint no way terrar thread
terrar gamers
let's go terraria thread
🤯🤯🤯
Real!!!!!
truee
I play calamity a lot but also am currently doing a vanilla master FTW run as a change of pace
terraria players have their own language of high pitched sounds
it's funny how broken mid hardmode tank is 😵💫
when they die to a boss
I love playing master mode in vanilla
I beat plantera w/o moving or attacking. Just fallen stars.
I normally just run ranger
And dying to like
since ranger is probaly the strongest class
Ranger is fringe
I always run melee, modded or vanilla.
true melee on top
new favrotie person
massive fan of true melee
but yeqh no ranger is absolutely broken
its fun until you play online with friends that host the game across the ocean
Especially in calamity
and than the boss teleports into you
pfft
It was probably more but like
I usually just do calamity + qol mods (like auto reforging and such), or vanilla
GOBLIN TINKERER MY MURDER CIVTIM
havent tried any of the other "content" mods
you should gife it a try
Starlight river looks sick af
me giving the goblin max happiness knowing damn well I hate him:
I can't wait to try that out
its quite nice playing new content
aye aye!
yeah starlight river will be crazy when its out
ahhhh the one thats like almost 3d tight
RIGHT
I also like to use stars above
stars above buffs you too much
but its a bit op
it makes calamity piss easy
That and Thorium are getting like, massive content updates soon
go get hit and use that one star ability to get an instabt full heal
I think they rebalanced much now
but it still ahs a bit to go
well the mod is still not finished
calamity balance was also abolutly bad for a long time
post moonlord calamity pre draedon update 😐
"Hey what if we oversaturated literally every number"
Dude
not eaven that
my forst time playing after like a year
was better than anything else on the same tier
I thought they gave provi a second phase pr smth
since she was like turning white
but no she just blew up
so if you played with other mods together no point of using anything non calamity
yeah lmao
yeah
i use cheatsheet as qol
to instabuild shit
calamity is (or at least was) very much so balanced around just using calamity
which is annoying
Meh
Aaanyways in canary calls theres a terraria reference
and then you get
||bird jumpscaee||
bird,
bumblebirb...........
havent done any new quests yet bc I logged in, did a few TNA runs, logged off
Wake up servers down again (unsurprised)
vanilla terraria I go tank melee
Calamity hates tank so I go offensive melee
In master FTW you can face tank plantera with the right setup
thats nice
problem is
you cant really do that to any other boss
plantera's damage numbers are just low for the point of progression you fight her
tbh its good that you can't
would make the game pretty boring
You can also facetank golem but only if you manually break the arms
since his fists are the biggest damage he does
btw I heard the nerfed tankynes hard in wynn 2.0
aye, but thats fine with me I dont run tank
me with my europen conection to the us server
😭
I am worying that I will get oneshot later with arcanist
im using ritualist and lightbender rn, those are my 2 classes with updated builds
I still can't decide what I want to turn my shamen into
I do have a mythic on him
fantasia
wonder which archetype is the best for that weapon
No i mean
you get three tapped by tcc movs
Yeah 😭
you should run CGG with me once its out
the - mana reg and - spellsteal are hurting the weapon so badly
and do 100 runs
for a mythic
only for it to be dawnbreaks if thats possible
actually haven't looked at the things shamen can do in 2.0
sold a dawnbreak for 4 stacks once
(it was the 3rd ever found and the best main attack damage one on the server)
90% DB
no it was mid asf
Ohhh that makes sense
They wanted to get their hands on the new fangled bullshit
aye
anyhow one of yku terraria gamers should actually join me for some forgery runs
I've got about 20 stacks rn
i need new wynncraft friends drag and flynn are both inactive now
I could have had way more but I did a lot of giveaways, events, and gifts
back when I was active 💀
Ah your inactive now?
back for 2.0 but went inactive for most of 1.20
what so you play
all from lootrunnig or is it mostly forgery what you do?
super super active in 1.19
E
aye, all lootruns
Lootrunnung
L**trunning
98% LB disco
reason why I started a mage now to
I WANT SKAD BALDINIR
fatal from daily divzer from a mob drop (mid lootrun)
Oh did you see
daily objectives give like
nothing.
nothing now
yeah
I bought 3 stacks of ability shards as soon as I logged on
so dailies/weeklies r useless for me
smart move tbh
thats 64 ability resets
theyll probably be worth more
Im not running out any time soon.
in the future
probaly less
lowkey tempted to buy more 💀
eh?
since when people get comfortable with builds
no, you have enough
they don#t need the shards
you really need more than 64 resets?
no, but guild bank :)
maybe he (she?) does
she
:stare:
makes sense
prolly gonna buy like 1 stack for gbank
I left sdu because a guy threatened to ban me feom his xp party
my plan is to not fuck up my skilling and still fuck it up somehow anyway
💀
Im in atlas inc. Been my friend group for years.
I am in my own clan with a few friends
i think i got kicked from atlas inc discord
or maybe i left
when i took a break from wonnceaf
probably left
Yeah the people there were very chill
Oh
still find it weird that the biggest endgame loop is running around and opening chests
lol
i bought an alka for guild wars
I mostly talk to them thru other servers 💀
I feel like its pretty much impossible to get into guilg wars
only about like 2 (3?) years
it feels like its estabilitshed guilds with stabilitshed teriitores
I have 3200 hours lol,,, ,
okay wow
Hardcore gaming
wait only 13 mythics
how do you even make time for school and work
I rarely lootran
Aye my prime was when I was homeschooled in late high school
so I didnt have to
I'd sit in detlas and tab out for schoolwork
i see
what about work
Currently in between jobs so I still don't have anything to do irl but that wont last forever obv
since im looking for one
Oh
kek as long as your not a child its infinetly easier to be hired
not really
Im 20
Yeah assumed so
depends what kind of job you want to do
true
you can send allot of resumes
Im just looking for some shitty min wage job at a local place
its weird
they searching for those jobs hard
and still no one sems to be hired for the palces
I am 16 (wtf young)
i got paid over like 4 weeks to take a course
which is like just some random dude having too much money at that poibt
random side note I got a 105 ironman
it's a warrior
found a thrundacrack on it- a usable mythic.
ass in 2.0 godly in 1.20
(the -3rd was bad, but it wa sstatic in 1.20)
and now thats the most important stat 😐
I have the feeling my fantasia will be kinda unplayable in 2.0
nay fanta is awesome in 2.0
havent used it myself but I've heard it's great
which one of the archytypes?
I am happy I bought it
weird that it was one of the cheapest in the entire game
I paid a stack and something for it
pretty much al lthe emeralds I got from quests
oversaturation on the market and 1.20 shaman was unusably bad
really?
aye aye
I really love shamen
eaven when I palyed it in 1.20
shamen did't feel bad except at a few bosses
some of the bosses where bs as shamen
the problem was 1 phase of The Eye and the entire Canyon Colossus boss were not hittable with aura reasonably
And the entirety of nexus of light besides the boss was extremely biased against shaman
shamen is my higest char after all with level 103
I have a mage and shaman at 106 rn
always been a mage main. 2.0 might change that- I love shaman
just which shamen flavor
nol mobs do lots of damage now
I use Ritualist Hadal
I heard the heal can be stronger than lighbenders one
befote they were harmless to me
which is funny
have u seen my 200 mana regen hadal build
no, I have not
need to look into ritualist
Lightbender Gaia is my mage build rn- It's good but my fingers oh my goddd
after 3 TNA runs with it my hands hurt.
20 million HP with melee. Not fun.
reasons why I go with arcanist
I love spellspam
also heard melee of arcanist is not bad
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I have arcanist fatal on my other class- but it's not set up yet
I only used it in beta
im teying to make a spellkatraz build
I got this fantasia build sent to me- IDK how good it is, but I trust the guy who sent it
includes skill tree
I don't really trust the builds on the first few days
IDK how good it is myself bc I just kinda havent used anything but ritualist
ah
ritualist is the one with the masks rifht
uh
I gotta say 50% damage reduction does shaman good lol,,,, ,
i see
it turns it into assassin
shaman has like base -50%
interesting that the build dodsn't go down the tree completly
but stuff like that makes 2.0 really itneresting
assassin without crashing the server
shadestepper is fine
the one with invis
ye
1m dps bad
warrior or assasin
warrior
like right now
guess the weapon
stuff will get a hard balance patch
no, its like actually balanced
kinda at least
yeah totally /s
its way away from having balance
like eaven arytypes in the same class are very different
but they already said that they balance everything later
u need to be
on 1 ho
and you cant heal
for the next 15s
sure 1m damage is too much but id say like 400k is fine
so you need to get hit zero times during that phase.
considering agi makes you take damage now, that sounds fun
well you can also go ham at 100%
and ramp up damage the more life you lose
you still do high damage
but yeah its atleast balanced by low hp and melee range
archer in probaly the most rediculus atm
Im excited to try archer
at 100 you deal lije 150k at most
lmao
at endgame*
you sure do say aye a lot
(two of them have builds)
really getting into the mood of CGG
habit by now 😭
I say "Aye" for yes and "Nay" for no
I am joking
mhmm
as long as you dont talk like a tiktok child corkian
you are fine
aw hell nah
that ones fine i guess
Id send an image of my classes but :doom:
I played aracanist because someone in the group already picket archer for our together playthrou
either dm or like put it in class builds
And mention us
also archer will be weird because spells start with left click
yeah i guess
wtf proffing mage
you adjust very very fast
main class! My first.
I need to 300 prof my shaman for tome now
My first was on a friends acc
I already can't adjust to different spells on mage
big mistake
Lmao
eventually it will work

that would have been incredibly funny
if they changed sstuff
wait escape gives walk speed right
with an archetype I believe
well beigest rpoblem I have is the icewave
because its uproot on shamen
and I never used uproot much
is it far down in the tree
i see
aah
and barely touched warrior day 1 of beta
lightbender gaia
who needs horses if you can ride on the archer
what the rudk
I outran an archer
Im the one single gaia user left on the planet
*white horse
AY
IM THE GRIMTEAP USER
i has 150% walk soeed
and assassin canish
i can fly (acrobat flies pretty fast lol)
I am happy that I can teleport now
tbh anything is better than shamen mobility
how do people not assume i use grintrap
2.0 shaman mobility is pretty fire
yep, but the totem tp upgrade pretty op
its in my name
lmao
but it tps wayyy too high for me
ther is a tp upgrade?!!?
but i still got it :D
Yeh
I really need to look at 2.0 shamen
you tp right to the totem
I just use gaia bc it was my first ever found mythic
I sold that one ages ago, but I currently have a very good gaia
I locked at all calsses except shamen to look which one I play next
not max -4 anymore 😔 but it's 1 off
instewd of accidentally hauling yourself into the void
the man class is funny
and fun
but nostalgic value…
man, i hate ahmsord
I sold every mythic Ive found
it is fun thats why its my higest class
I currently only own a gaia and a fatal I believe
THENELSTON HAUL FAIL AT PANKC ZEALOT 3 AM
my ass class is the highest class 106
I played my first playthrou on shamen
Hadal Im using is borrowed until I buy my own later
for me it took a while to get used to shaman, but it turned out really op in the end
and in 2.0
it worked well
eeeh you really dont have any weapons that hold any sentimental value?
Nope!
sahem nwas a cosntant up and down over the playthrou
I LOVE BORROWING
I borrowed 1 stx from a friend
allot of things where super easy
than I had a quest where I needed to come 5 levels after
I think it was one of the realm of light ones
aah and what would those be?
sorry, im just curious since you have 3000 hours
Shit Id have to check in game but yknow
i got really demotivated for shaman once, at lv70 and wanted to delete it to make an archer profile
server down
its fine if you dont
still making an archer profile soon tho
off the top of my head I have some vanity items (red and blue team armor) from wynnterfest 2019
and all unprocessed fish bc I like them they r cute
or block projectiles with it
moving totem is the funniest shit ever
i seriously ended up laughing for 5 minutes straight while it chased my friend
so anyone here actually want to join me for a few forgery runs?
challenge impossible
Aye but not today
requirements: dont be mad when you see me fail cgg on repeat
yeah sure lets hop on the non existant servers
parkour
i meant after that
today if I can get on I am going to just run TNA prolly
I still heaven't done forgery
morph tna challenge (real)
gregraid
would also need to figure out the skills for my shamen

which will probaly take ages
you literally get onetap in tna
in terms of raw damage it seems less than tcc though
i tried tcc as shaman, i got onetapped 💀
Tcc mobs seem to do more
are they easy
my having problems on the first raid with 1.20 shamen
i mean the damage sucks, but the rooms are really well designed u gotta admit
tcc it's the opposite, the pre boss rooms are more challenging than the boss (not saying the boss is a total pushover or anything, havent tried it in 2.0)
BURRRYYY THE LIGHTTTTTTT DEEEP WITHJN
Aye, of course! It's an extremely fun raid
stone creations do too much damage, i died in the lava room once 💀
aye
i especially hate the zombie room in tcc
tcc pre boss rooms r brutal its like oml
whats health? every shamen main
Honestly this small group of random terraria gamers
NoL pre boss rooms are also brutal but in a different way (theyre boring as shit)
is better than #🌎wynncraft
terar
full af and people spam the same question
wynn chat the past year has gotten more crowded and with a bigger crowd comes a generally unenjoyable chat lol
True
so true
the smaller crowd seems much more enjoyable
we are the best group we play terraria
fr
(sanity is gone)
i hate to break it to u, but i dont
begone
whenever i see a picture of a chicken i have to sibg THE ENEMY HAS AMCJENDED BYEOND TIUR CONTROLL
im only here to escape the trolls of the general chat
lmao, smart tho
still cool
this is really just a general discussion thread by now but who cares, it's fun
yeah
this is the most active Ive been in wynn discord for like 2 years or smth
Mm
calamity2.0>wynn2.0
Maybe
calamity cool
calamity has a 2.0?
so far wynn 2.0 is just a disconnecting screen
I actually played a bit
updates
the 1.4 updates are 2.0
I dont keep up with calamity outside of making fun of fabsol
btw funny thing yesterday when i was i nthe que
when u get on wynn
I was way higher than my friends
||probably the “scariest” quest yet jf you have sound and headphones||
tbh i feel like IP and LS deserve a rework next update
no
i was in the game for like 5 mins but the tree gltiched and the start and i had to leave
its just dhampion
thing is we all have vip +
I joked that it was because I am in germany
well maybe I did connect to a eu section
idk
my que jsut did go down way faster
but yeah the servers are aa mess
DUDE
I THOUGHT UR PFP WAS A POKEMON
WHAT THE FUCJ
nope
he is 🤯
can't psot pictures here
man why do the emojis here suck so much 💀
just type in ''mizutsune'' in google
so you forced to buy nitro
i see
i will be sure to attempt to message if i want to frogery
unrelated but what are everyones thoughts on roulette nerfs
idk what roulette is
those two are nice
THESE ARE THE GOOD ONES
wasn't it a assasin weapon

I used all the time when I had nitro
rare dagger
it was pretty bad for a while but became like one of the best daggers for a bit
except maybe the trickster one but that one suffers atm when the clones are dead the assasin becomes useless
rare item momen
t
we need more cool unique/rare items but rare/unique baseline is so low it doesnt matter
Wait I just remembered I have 3 mythics rn 💀
I have a quetz as well
we need more
THAT one has sentimental value
useful fabled items
it was a gift from a friend! I was afk in ragni and he just threw it on me 💀
wtf
I came back to my computer and it was just
in my inventory
Thats like the equivalent of leaving your gift on the doorstep at 3 am
I was in a tree in a 1x1 hole so it wasnt gonna get taken by some random person or anything
but it was funny
yeah i suppose
and to this day
...Ive never used it
bc class building in 1.20 was actually so ass and boring
"Hey have you hard of this cool item called demon ti-" NO
we need more MAJOR IDS
MORE FABLED EQUIPMENT
random fun fact I got the first ever rots when 1.20 dropped
bruh
I logged in within 30 seconds of the update dropping and got it from daily reward 💀
did you sell it
so I got it within 1 min of 1.20
no, still have it!
Once again, sentimental value
(It is HORRIBLE)
(and [3])
bruh
it's purely a personal collection thing
that wouldve made a fortune back there
just happy 2.0 actually expanded one of the weakest areas of wynncraft
I tried to sell it but everyone was actually smart and didnt offer bc they knew it'd shoot down within the hour
classes where a bit to simple
rare instance of market people being smart
lmao
so I kept it!
when the brain is large
I have a long past w/ wynn I could just go on about shit for hours 💀
watching a video about shamen archytpes atm
i only started regularly grinding a little over 6 months ago
Shaman archetypes look fun so far but I only have used ritualist so far
i tried the archetypes in my housing
honestly?
they all are fantastic
yeah
Random side note I used to be a mod and QA too 💀
QA was fun. Mod was not.
because it means I can#t decide
Thats all I have to say about those.
Mm? Really?
yeah in like 2020
I was in a really awful position mental health-wise at the time so I was terrible at mod. But even that aside it really isnt anything special. Pretty boring if you ask me
It's like unpaid customer support with teenagers
I also have Jumla added on discord for some reason
TBH tho through all of wynn I gotta say I really really liked 1.19
SE was cool even if the content was frankly limited
EO was (maybe still is?) the best designed and telegraphed boss in game and was like revolutionary
man I palyed wynncraft ages ago
EO parkour phase 4 incident
I first played in like, 2013 but on a different account
nearly finished the shamen palythou
in like 2018 I got my current account and have been playing since.
like I am I think 3 quests away to finishing it
well one of the quests is the ??? one
which I wonder when i finish that one
its definetly skill based
andnyou dont die from contact damage
no contact damage is huge
orphion is probably the worst designed boss from 1.19 and 1.20
yesss
bc he's just "attack vomit spam"
Are you counting parasitas part of his boss
they tried to do too much at once with orphion
idk I guess so but Im mainly talking about phase 1
Yeah i assume
HP threshold based attacks and mob spawns is a horrible idea too in NoL
punishing you for doing too much damage lol,,,,,
the amount of useless mobs there
is crazy
infection ads
rsndom ghasts
hey crazy idea what if we just spawned approximately 200 mobs at once
surely this is good for the fight, right
you mean like 40 shamns
actually i want to see a ful lserver of summoners
I think the huge amount of enemies was to encourage shaman usage bc shaman was useless in tcc
maybe
well atleast now we have some more aoe
also probaly more people that actually play shamen
wonder which will be the least used class now
yeah heard the same
thats the thing with 2 melee classes
assasin supose to have more mobility
oh yeah what are ur thoughts on tcc
and than they make a flying monk for warrior
which kinda defeats the purpose of assasin
1.20 TCC? it was fine I guess
especially the triple platform room
it took so long to get to a stable or even decent point that it was kinda 😐
took them like 20 patches AFTER beta to get rid of game breaking bugs since a new one popped up every hotfix
you know how triple platform room
was already hard for classes eithout healing
triple platform room is the single worst room in tcc
wonder how crazy time rift aracnist could be
and horrid game design, it should be 2people.
it's the ONLY raid room to my knowledge where you fail at 2 deaths instead of 3
and that's just. bad. not fun.
I audibly groan whenever it's that room lol
I still need to do raids with soon
other than that- the boss is fun. Never had any big issues with the boss.
really only did the grotlag one
it's the pre rooms that had the game breaking bugs
but that one was anoying enough as it is
the boss has been mostly fine since release
boss dies too wuick
these days
yeah 2.0 increased the damage you deal and take and TCC hasnt been balanced accordingly yet
I love glass cannon builds but its going abit to far now
in fact, almost nothing has.
tbh good that the game hasn't been rebalanced
they first need to pin down the classes itself
and than fix the enemies
yeah theyve said since the changelog that not every class will be balanced on release- the main priority was making them fun and unique.
So over time they'll be much more stable and balanced
wonder if they take the good ones down or bugg the bad ones
I think atm there are more good than bad ones
did you hear
guardian is bad now
Its like literally useless
what did they nerf on it
and IDR what the nerf even was 💀
+Guardian: 50% of damage taken by nearby allies is redirected to you
did that value got nerfed?
thats kinda stupid
but well
they did took power away from the major ids to give it into the class skil ltrees
is it still glitched to not account for defense
i hate when you need X special item to play a certain playstyle in games
by ur resistances anymore
yeah it's just bad for wars now but whatever
Wars (derogatory)
ow
oh my god.
is this actually intended though I thought it was a glitch
that feels unintentional.
yeah sounds like a glitch
if it's intentional then uh oh
If not then whew
because that prety much jsut kills you
tbf you dont even need to tank in a war anymore when you can fucking obliterate the tower with a good build
war builds can get 1 million dps
yeah idrc for wars as a whole
what do you care for
I used to, and they were pretty fun
why build for 1k more hp when you can get 3k more damage
but the people good lord
honestly this is true for all content
amassing as much stx as possible?
raids, mostly
since you can reach like 10x the dps we got before
idk if anything can tank outside paladin
coo lwhen the entire game has like 1 archytype for tanking
WHich is why I was so inactive for most of 1.20
and 1-2 for healing
dont forget about trickster brother
because the str/dex changes made class building ridiculously boring until 2.0
"Demon tide crusade sabatons"
old standard
for a good build was
I heard trickster is pretty much useless when you lose your clones
yep
yeah you get like 20-30k dps at most with it and then you're a sitting duck without clones
but my god can it tank for atleast those 10 secs it has the clones
tbh im not even sure
trickster and acrobat needs buffs but shadestepper is strong
its just that all the other classes are insanely overpowered and doing damage thjat shouldnt be possible
idk if it wil lbe easier to buff everything to a point or nerf everything to a point
Sahdestepper is only strong like 5% of the time
imo everything should be balanced to shadestepper dps which is like 100k at most apart from a big initial burst
probaly both
we need ehp huffs
or raid mob damage berds
nerds
nerfs
thing is they can jsut increase mosnter hp if there is to much damage
aslong its simelar across the board
yeah we preferably meet in the middle but man dps is just WAYY to much right now it should not be possible to hit like 200k+ without some glassy shit
but shamans for example can hit that with a standard spell build
alkatras
could hit 200k comfortably pre 2.0
I remeber 30k was a pretty high damage aura
that it can hit 200k now is kinda crazy
that youtuber guy thenelston ithink did a good vid on beta and why some classses are so op
yeah I watched that one
there are too many multiplicative boosts
this is why assassin is so ass btw it has like none of the multiplicative boosts aside from satsujin
he said the damage wouldt not decreas so much
tbh
I am happy the early game is a beeze
I started a new char and did#t die yet
normally I get killed by getting stuck at a corner or soemthing
and soulpoints suck at the start
dead chat
Dead chat is sad
ah well im in class troll face
so i xant talk that much
sorry terrariers
no class today bc I had a test yesterday lol
yeah
I am going to turn you into a top raida.
counterpoint: no
I have had several since 1.20 dropped 🙄
Im just not able to run raids constantly bc I dont run with randos
and nobody sticks around for over 2 raids lol
ill stick around
i need le anyways
i owe flynn 1 stx as i said
but tcc mobs literally oenshot
the triple platform room is hell
I can kidnap you into my top raida group.
holy moly wynn is in maintenance again, not fully offline

anyhow skie let me do raids with you 🙏
i will bring morph nothing
and die to everything
once servers are up (and skies is off work) we can raid
I can bring another top raida over if they’re available
I wonder which will happen first rofl rofl
Me getting off work 
(2 hours)
This is embarrasing but i cant even use my alka
and my assassin doesnt have its gear
....if it works it works
i need to scrapyard grind to 100
doing mythos lol
how
is diana mayor again
gah i cant even do the event since i lent all my gear to my friend
just rcm lmao
garbage
Imagine playing HSB 💀
no looting or something
I just needed to kill some time
hahaha have fun dying in tna
alive. in game.
this is revolutionary
gah what am i doing i need to finish my physics lab
almost 0 players in lobby
DONT FORGOR TO DO CANARY CALLS
its such a good quest now, especially if you play with hwadphones
forgors
im in too
no raids (insert megamind meme)
how did you manage it with the lag
i was literally playing a slideshow
not in terms of fps though...
yeah you told me. im quite jealous.
i crashed like 7 times in the span of 20 minutes
and while i was running FF i glitched through the elevator multiple times
aye
im going to attempt a frogery run today, hopefully the lag isnt as bad
also queue is back 
man tried to play wynncraft
its jsut so laggy atm
I constantly die because I get shredded when I lag out
moment.
moment
copied the skill build with moph for now
and it kinda slabs
also nearly fully healing with 1 ability is crazy
man they buffed quira hive bosses
there is one that can counter and pets and lingering aoe can trigger the counter
which one is that
if its the judge i literally killed him in like 2d
2s
the water one
