so warring from olux in SE is going to cost 10595847373664 emeralds from your HQ
#guild_community
potent ibex
limber river
thats such bullshit lol
cloud pier
tax dependant
limber river
they arent raising taxes
bitter bobcat
yeah but sheep no alt warring and 2 week time period between joining a guild is crin
limber river
ally tax is still 1%
sturdy heron
Ban alts 😛
flint shuttle
where was this announced
potent ibex
Yes, but the map will have a ton more activity now
flint shuttle
when*
deep dock
travel time 😳
potent ibex
Salted confirmed he was going to be having his devs work on it
deep dock
gonna be waiting 1 hour to attack SE
hidden bronze
hey sheep
limber river
hey sheep
sleek jungle
hey sheep
flint shuttle
i dont think he realises this isnt what we wanted either lol
cloud pier
new changes p cool but
bitter bobcat
even 10 is too much but
cloud pier
timer lmao
deep dock
hi sheep man!
potent ibex
warm pine
wheres salted
potent ibex
gone
flint shuttle
harka stop trying to have a fight with salted
warm knoll
🧂
warm pine
salted bring back previous guild members slots
hidden bronze
tariq you are a femboy
no I am not
shadow lava
i just dont like waiting timers
ripe niche
no I am not
yes you are
cloud pier
like people could literally gang up on any guild and no one would be able to touch them for 20 mins
potent ibex
salted bring back previous guild members slots
🙏
flint shuttle
salted bring back previous guild members slots
yes
shadow lava
but if thats the best solution i guess its fine
sleek jungle
salted bring back previous guild members slots
this ^
warm knoll
Wars gae
edgy gyro
Make it 6.9 min
warm pine
it's so annoying to have your community cut down by 10 slots
elder shadow
waiting timers aren't a disadvantage if youre not spending excessive amounts of money just time them and wait
limber river
why did that deserve an @ everyone ping 🅱️ruh
elder shadow
after 20 minutes there are no timers
flint shuttle
eh i'd argue there is a disadvantage
ripe niche
@ripe niche
shadow lava
waiting timers aren't a disadvantage if youre not spending excessive amounts of ...
i still have to wait 20 minutes then
ripe niche
shit
potent ibex
waiting timers aren't a disadvantage if youre not spending excessive amounts of ...
Exactly, you cannot war out of personal emeralds anymore so
cloud pier
each terr that is taken will have 20m cooldown lmao
elder shadow
i still have to wait 20 minutes then
only once
cloud pier
no?
elder shadow
ever if you have the activity and stuff to war
shadow lava
also timing stuff is hard
hidden bronze
yes you are
my pf is a male yours is a maid thing who is the real femboy here?
potent ibex
after twenty minutes that advantage is gone - BUT IT WON'T BE 20 MINS - I will literally be shocked if it is
flint shuttle
besides how is this gonna work with guilds getting on the map?
shadow lava
and if 1 war fails then the whole chain is broken
ripe niche
my pf is a male yours is a maid thing who is the real femboy here?
you are a femboy, i am a girl
elder shadow
as long as the guild isnt down to one territory you always have stuff to war
potent ibex
they can war for free and so can everyone else
flint shuttle
& guilds fighting to stay on it?
potent ibex
I love a competitive map
shadow lava
sometimes you need to wait for terrs to drain
potent ibex
its regional now, not a whole map affair
limber river
ice my man you are speaking way too soon
shadow lava
yeah im kinda hyped about regional map tbh
limber river
salted has made so many great promises about this update and they have materialized in nothing
shadow lava
if it actually works
ornate forge
salted has made so many great promises about this update and they have materiali...
.
shadow lava
salted has made so many great promises about this update and they have materiali...
at least they're actively communicating and trying to work on it
flint shuttle
true
shadow lava
wynn staff get too much hate imo
shut perch
Dj
shut perch
I’m doink cool ass stuff
flint shuttle
honestly they're still trying to push us in a direction that just isn't working
ornate forge
All my homies hate wynn staff
ripe niche
what's your point
shadow lava
All my homies hate wynn staff
😥
flint shuttle
its still evident they want it to ALL be regional, so that we cant have map control
limber river
Salted01/07/2020
itll be easier but still hard. the idea is that guilds will have a HQ territory, and the further away their territory is from it, the weaker itll be. so that means a huge ass guild cant control the world without falling appart constantly, but eventually there will be an equilibrium of guilds controlling territories and only slowly will they lose terribly and lose their HQ, and mostly the weaker ones will
there is no slow burn
glass compass
1.19 was defender friendly, ig attackers are getting revenge now?
limber river
you just get your hq headshot
potent ibex
Its pretty straightforward. Its more regional because more guilds will be attacking which will mess up trade routes, and then you cannot war all the way across the map for 2 le anymore, it will cost a metric ton.
limber river
Salted01/07/2020
but just like irl, there will be smaller guilds that control a very important resource and going at war with them will be too costly, so they will ally
this never happened
and this is exactly what ice thinks will happen
limber river
another one Salted01/07/2020
and the smaller a guild is, the tougher it is to eat its territories
flint shuttle
oh fuck off thats stupid
do they think that'll do jack?
other than just irritate big guilds
potent ibex
well big guilds should have competition
limber river
SaltedToday at 21:15
you need all resources to be the strongest
but its almost impossible to do that alone
and if you do, you spread your defences too thin to protect properly
and since alliances will be meaninful, breaking them will be easier
🤔
ripe niche
vore
flint shuttle
we've got the war power to take them out, random guilds will literally just be an annoyance
frigid oak
wait is something changing with wars? just popped in
potent ibex
any guild on the map should have competition. The dominant guild should hold the region by their own merits, not their allies
If a guild is attacking you and they are more dominant, they should virtually be able to hold the claim over you
it makes sense
elder shadow
if we dont rely on allies what are the points of allies
limber river
no more allies
potent ibex
Allies give trade
limber river
only 1v1s
potent ibex
You can trade with allies, strategy does play a part in dominance
limber river
no point in trading
potent ibex
Allies can help, but mostly if they are nearby
If they are far away uhh 🤷
its meant to be a more regional system anyways
the idea of this update was to kill Artemis after all lowkey
flint shuttle
what does he expect to happen when a guild cant afford to attack whilst being attacked, though?
thats really stupid
edgy gyro
If it can’t afford it
limber river
get wiped lol
frigid oak
oh shit ty, time to post in guild channel
flint shuttle
you should always be capable of fighting back
dont lock people off from doing it lol
limber river
it actually doesnt matter because they can take your hq
edgy gyro
The attacking guild either caused that (intended) or they just suck with defending
shadow lava
oh shit ty, time to post in guild channel
not confirmed yet
its just tentative changes that they were discussing
shut perch
frigid oak
ah guess i'll still put in there as a heads up
edgy gyro
If you have 0 emeralds, you should change defenses
edgy gyro
Like what though
flint shuttle
If you have 0 emeralds, you should change defenses
thats usually not it, though
ornate forge
Hqs move for no reason
elder shadow
is the point of the 14 day rule for subs?
potent ibex
you should always be capable of fighting back
there has always been a wait time. its to protect from getting insta sniped and getting absolutely no where. You have to be able to get on your feet to war from your HQ in a system where its only from HQ now
20 minutes is a no
5-10 is much more ideal
elder shadow
or to kill the community harder by pissing off duozitizens
ornate forge
Resource usage is higher than being shown
edgy gyro
Taxes fun
wide shadow
being in multiple guilds at once 😐😐😐😐
potent ibex
or to kill the community harder by pissing off duozitizens
they are trying to make subs less appealing rather than outright banning because its harder to moderate and Salted hates that any balance they could do to help the new guild can be abused by subs, so their goal is to make it less appealing and viable.
limber river
all this did was make them more appealing for alts
potent ibex
guild community cannot respect intended game mechanics - it loses privileges
ornate forge
Literally nothing was wrong lol
potent ibex
If you cannot respect intended game mechanics we will just not have these privileges anymore simple as that
limber river
subs have been used like twice in 1.20
limber river
and you are acting like subs have been used and abused
potent ibex
They have been lmao
ornate forge
They have
limber river
how
ornate forge
Everyone would get wiped so easily
potent ibex
AVO used subs a lot, nearly wiped us in Corkus with JsD when we were running around
limber river
lol what
potent ibex
That are FREQUENTLY used
noble axle
i like how guild politics logo is the knife
potent ibex
The whole point of the system is to keep things regional. Game mechanics prevent you from viably being able to attack across the map efficiently so guilds use sub-guilds to bypass intended game mechanics. As a result we lose privileges.
limber river
spend more LE ig all i know is that diggins43, fallencabbage47, and mgingiss49 are getting levelled up
flint shuttle
Regionality doesn't work with the community we've developed
limber river
time for alt warring 😎
eager jackal
people don't level their alts lol, they just use accounts of people who quit
rotund kernel
That's ez
shut perch
I mean I have 3 but levelling alts isn’t that much work
flint shuttle
its 91 rn but it wont take long to take it to 100
potent ibex
I think its pretty simple.
If you cannot respect intended game mechanics we will just not have these privileges anymore simple as that.
If we are doing things that were clearly not intended by the system they designed, they will have to do things that nerf it that can also harm legitimate players and guilds. Don't abuse game mechanics that were intended and things like this would not have to happen.
shut perch
So it should b fine
flint shuttle
I think its pretty simple.
If you cannot respect intended game mechanics we will...
Ice, get off your high horse i stg
shut perch
Also GMY is basically a guild of alts lol
flint shuttle
you use subs the same as the rest of us
wide shadow
true cal
potent ibex
Not once since 1.20
eager jackal
alts will become less of an issue when mojang log in switches to microsoft login and all the people using other peoples accounts lose access lol
elder shadow
How fast can you wipe a guild?
elder shadow
I reckon it's entirely possible to wipe 3 guilds in 20 minutes with a large enough warteam
ripe niche
you're still in gyp
flint shuttle
I'll have access still to 2 accounts when mojang changesit
shut perch
How fast can you wipe a guild?
Personally me alone very slowly but I can try
flint shuttle
changes it*
limber river
hyped for artemis to make a run for it though finally something interesting
wide shadow
WPICOEICPEIP
flint shuttle
& maybe 3 if i convince my sister
edgy gyro
Make the min ally tax 81%
flint shuttle
again
potent ibex
1.20 was designed so that subs would no longer have to be used. People these days use it for no justifiable reason other than to bypass game mechanics that they intended.
edgy gyro
I see no issue
wide shadow
i love dj billlg ates 21.
ripe niche
come kiss me
shut perch
Dj is hot
flint shuttle
1.20 was designed so that subs would no longer have to be used. People these day...
Ok and what was it used for last update if it wasn't bypassing intended game mechanics?
wide shadow
🥰🥰😗😗
flint shuttle
we used Subs to speed up warring because u could only do one war at a time in your main guild, by having a sub up you would be bypassing an intended game mechanic
limber river
Ok and what was it used for last update if it wasn't bypassing intended game mec...
LOL
flint shuttle
like, seriously ice
flint shuttle
dont act like subs have ever been anything different
potent ibex
Prior to 1.20, there had been a rule banning use of sub-guild long ago however ultimately was never enforced. Sub-guilds were something of a necessity in the previous system in which its mechanics did not reward guilds properly for the amount of players involved in wars, where for example, a guild with 20 players would war just as efficiently as a guild warring with 5 players.
There is no valid reason as to why sub-guilds are needed anymore. They are purely meant to bypass game mechanics, as before, although there is no reason to justify doing as such.
Before they were needed because the system sucked at rewarding player involvement. Now you can do infinite wars.
flint shuttle
Prior to 1.20, there had been a rule banning use of sub-guild long ago however u...
it was inforced for a while lmfao
limber river
im sure we will find a use 
flint shuttle
Viare literally lost a sub because it got reported
ripe niche
dont act like subs have ever been anything different
cal is a sub
shut perch
I kinda wanna run NotG
flint shuttle
But thats still bypassing intended features, Ice
limber river
I kinda wanna run NotG
run w me
flint shuttle
wars pre 1.20 were meant to be done one at a time
flint shuttle
you dont get to cherry pick what is wrong and what is right, you did it pre 1.20 so stop trying to sit on a high horse to shit on the rest of us
hollow willow
cal
limber river
but salted but but
hollow willow
tell your old man to wake up
shut perch
Lou
hollow willow
ive been threatening him in game for like 5 minutes
shut perch
Hhrrrhjjtrddvbgggggrrrt
hollow willow
he forced me to hold at bowpoint: a lonely dog, tye, the dog from feathers fly, Nimbuh's server during our manhunt, himself and many grooks
limber river
damn
shut perch
That’s deep
hollow willow
also the server is restarting soon so uh
potent ibex
I think its absolutely shitty that the dev team has been forced to work around subs. Ideally, they would outlaw them as what was even suggested, but they instead want to work through the system to make subs not viable because if they outlaw subs, it would just bring about lots of conflict and don't want their moderators to get attacked.
Anytime they tried to balance the attacker or the new guild, subs were always a problem because they note that guilds will just go and abuse the system in a way not intended and take advantage of what they are trying to do for new guilds.
Don't be mad at them. If the guild community cannot use the system as intended and is intentionally trying to bypass intended game mechanics, then privileges will be lost as a result in their way of trying to make subs not viable because they can't outlaw it directly and instead have to work thru the system that is being abused.
limber river
he forced me to hold at bowpoint: a lonely dog, tye, the dog from feathers fly, ...
i like when guild politics is used for this and not for whatever ice is talking about
shut perch
Too much text I want a tldr
limber river
because subs when he used them were working as intended but now we bypass game mechanics
potent ibex
Don't abuse the system in a way not intended trying to bypass intended game mechanics and they wouldn't have to take such measures
hollow willow
old man of ANO look at in game, ive been trying to force terrorism on you for like 5 minutes 😦
limber river
LOL
potent ibex
because subs when he used them were working as intended but now we bypass game m...
Subs were a necessity back then. They fixed the system to actually reward player count. back then a guild with 30 players would war just as fast as a guild with 5, now you can do infinite wars.
They fixed the problem, there is legitimately no reason for subs anymore. AS you said yourself, only a few guilds do it anymore - only for the advantages of bypassing the system
limber river
only a few get attacked
flint shuttle
Ice, stop being a fucking hypocrite and shut the hell up
potent ibex
SUBS BACK THEN ARE DIFFERENT THAN NOW
warm knoll
Oh mY goSh
limber river
now they just add in a new mechanic, free sub warring
shut perch
hey nimbuh
potent ibex
Don't call me a hypocrite, I have not once used subs in 1.20 - There is absolutely zero reason for subs to be used other than to break their system
flint shuttle
SUBS BACK THEN ARE DIFFERENT THAN NOW
subs then were evading mechanics, subs now are evading mechanics
you are a hypocrite.
warm knoll
Hi
potent ibex
Subs were a necessity back then, much different
west phoenix
hey guys let's calm down and talk about why we love each other
flint shuttle
so its ok if you consider them a necessity?
potent ibex
Even staff have acknowledged banning subs rn would be so niceee, but there are reasons that make it hard to do so
eager jackal
hey guys let's calm down and talk about why we love each other
stupid bitch
ornate forge
❤️
shut perch
I know nimbuh
ember cloak
I dont mind the changes EXCEPT for 20 minute timer after a terr gets taken
shut perch
and it should be mine
west phoenix
stupid bitch
suck my cock retard
eager jackal
bet
flint shuttle
I dont mind the changes EXCEPT for 20 minute timer after a terr gets taken
yeah this is the main problem
west phoenix
ayo?
flint shuttle
i'd be fine with the sub rule if they'd removed timers
hollow willow
yo @hollow willow go fk yourself
flint shuttle
I dont care for taxes, but now i can't help my allies at all
because timers take so long
potent ibex
Staff would absolutely love to ban subs now, the problem is with enforcement and because their moderators would get attacked for doing their job - so now they have to work through the system and make subs less appealing because some people want to bypass the system and its mechanics 🤷
shut perch
wait we have to wait 20 mins after a terr is taken for it to ba ttacked againe?!? that sucks dick
warm knoll
We like 🍆
shut perch
True
flint shuttle
Staff would absolutely love to ban subs now, the problem is with enforcement and...
Ice you literally used subs last update
earnest crypt
I don't get why you can't join back the guild if you left
hollow willow
@warm knoll @warm knoll 1v1v1 me you noobs
earnest crypt
What's the reason for that
limber river
ice you were bypassing mechanics back then, the system never said "YOU MUST WAR WITH subs otherwise you are screwed"
flint shuttle
to avoid subbing/hopping
potent ibex
Yes, I did - they were a necessity back then. They designed this system so that subs would not have to be used.
hollow willow
to avoid alliances being strong
warm knoll
Ice is being naughty
ornate forge
imagine kicking somenoe from the guild for comedic reasons
limber river
i thought you said you didnt use subs ?
ornate forge
and having to wait 2weeks to join back
warm knoll
ornate forge
lmao
flint shuttle
ice, shut up
hollow willow
imagine kicking somenoe from the guild for comedic reasons
L
flint shuttle
for the love of god
earnest crypt
But hopping is like so used
flint shuttle
please
limber river
ez
potent ibex
to avoid subbing/hopping
You literally said yourself only a few guilds use subs now - back then every guild did.
In fact, you went as far to say that subs are not even used and that only two subs have been used
warm knoll
Does anyone want to come cuddle with my pillow
earnest crypt
it basically kills the prof guild
hollow willow
I thought player slots were supposed to nerf that :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
ornate forge
yes
potent ibex
Every guild HAD to back then. The system was absolutely shit. They fixed the root of the problem.
flint shuttle
You literally said yourself only a few guilds use subs now - back then every gui...
Multiple guilds use subs, what?
shut perch
Ice swear
ripe niche
Does anyone want to come cuddle with my pillow
yep yep
hollow willow
ok Ice, time has run out, im litteraly going to shoot the lonely dog behind you
consider this an act of extreme terrorism in Detlas
flint shuttle
Personally I hop guilds generally, but a lot of guilds have used subs
potent ibex
I'd love to have you provide me a valid justification as to why subs are a necessity now.
hollow willow
hes fucking deaaaad
shut perch
Wow duck not even asking me
hollow willow
server restarted ice
flint shuttle
no, the use for subs in 1.20 is to avoid the shitty player cap & timers, izz
limber river
necessity is always relative to who it is
elder shadow
psure if I start 100 wars in Avicia rn the sb will go off the screen
elder shadow
so what do I do if I have a 30 man warteam that wants to war in canyon?
warm knoll
play ow withme u little shit
I not play anything rn, only Star Wars 👁
earnest crypt
I get killing subs, but I like hopping
west phoenix
Does anyone want to come cuddle with my pillow
me me me me me
warm knoll
One day
elder shadow
need the sub for the sb to fit
limber river
if i find it neccessary to help my ally in wynn but dont want to wait then i use sub and it is a necessity
warm knoll
I LOVE YOU
hollow willow
start wars
elder shadow
1st world problems 😔
ember cloak
f
flint shuttle
I've legitimately only used subs/hopped to avoid timers
hollow willow
@shut perch I bet you'r hanzo main
warm knoll
WHO WANTS TO BE MY FRIEND
west phoenix
hi doggy
potent ibex
no, the use for subs in 1.20 is to avoid the shitty player cap & timers, izz
The system is intended so that you are not suppose to be able to attack on the far side of the map. You aren't suppose to plant a secondary HQ wherever you want and war from there.
flint shuttle
Ok wasn't 1.19 evading game mechanics?
limber river
game mechanics in 1.19 was one war per guild
elder shadow
hi ven
potent ibex
That is what the system was intended for
earnest crypt
I see nothing wrong with being able to hop to abuse a guild's bonuses
shut perch
<@!261574295027843073> I bet you'r hanzo main
Nein
warm knoll
SOMEBODY COME HAVE BOOTY TOOTY TIME WITH ME
flint shuttle
Ok was it not evading what the system intended last update?
limber river
its not like this combats subs at all anyway
hollow willow
and @warm knoll you're very good so you're junkrat main
flint shuttle
y'all are literally just hypocrites
ember cloak
jesus christ
ripe niche
SOMEBODY COME HAVE BOOTY TOOTY TIME WITH ME
yep
warm knoll
and <@456226577798135808> you're very good so you're junkrat main
THANK YOU I LOVE JUNK
potent ibex
Ok wasn't 1.19 evading game mechanics?
It was necessary back then because of an actual problem.
30 players in a guild war would war just as fast as 3-5, the system did not reward effort. Now days, you can do infinite wars.
at once
hollow willow
FUCK YEAAAA
hollow willow
call me uncle
cause ill abuse yo taxes
warm knoll
Clear blue skies
ripe niche
would be even nice if it was your face
warm knoll
Sun shining
ripe niche
nicer*
limber river
30 players with bad timers will war just as fast as 3-5 with good ones
warm knoll
Ah
hollow willow
explosives ringing
flint shuttle
It was necessary back then because of an actual problem.
30 players in a guild ...
ok so isnt this a problem?
potent ibex
Sub-guilds completely invalidate what the complex 1.20 system is designed for. Its completely new and different and subs are a direct bypass of it.
potent ibex
ok so isnt this a problem?
not anymore, it got fixed 😌
flint shuttle
the timers are a problem for us, they were intended but so was only 1 war at a time
limber river
how does this even hurt subs, you can use alts to war
flint shuttle
which was what you were evading
hollow willow
warring yo mom
potent ibex
the timers are a problem for us, they were intended but so was only 1 war at a t...
The timers are there for a reason lmao
flint shuttle
so was the 1 war at a time limit
ripe niche
so many subs and not enough doms 😔😔
warm knoll
limber river
so many subs and not enough doms 😔😔
dom from fast and furious
hollow willow
so many subs and not enough doms 😔😔
minecraft
ripe niche
dominique
potent ibex
1 war at a time back then was because the old system was not really suitable for that. The whole purpose of 1.20 was to fix all the problems of the old system.
warm knoll
strange reef
hollow willow
no
ripe niche
@potent ibex you a top or a bottom
potent ibex
Hey, don't look at me. Developers even now are trying to target sub-guilds, so I know I'm not wrong lmao
flint shuttle
1 war at a time back then was because the old system was not really suitable for...
the timers aren't suitable for this system either
stop cherry picking, ice
limber river
bill asking the real questions
limber river
ah yes because nothing in 1.20 is wrong am i right
warm knoll
limber river
devs made this update so it cant be wrong!!!!
warm knoll
flint shuttle
devs made this update so it cant be wrong!!!!
🐒
ripe niche
@potent ibex are u a top or a bottom
potent ibex
not my problem
warm knoll
limber river
BAHAHAH ice went from complaining about everything in this update a day ago to being in love with every person that made
it
hollow willow
BAHAHAH ice went from complaining about everything in this update a day ago to b...
minercraft
potent ibex
Yes, I am very happy about the changes.
flint shuttle
BAHAHAH ice went from complaining about everything in this update a day ago to b...
because it benefits him now duh
lament tusk
what changes?
warm knoll
potent ibex
20 minute wait-time is a no tho, it will probably be less
limber river
A Z A P
ripe niche
he strikes me as one ngl
flint shuttle
put them in war discussion, azap
hollow willow
what changes?
doing yo mom now adds 40 gaming points
limber river
20 minute wait-time is a no tho, it will probably be less
devs did it, they arent wrong
flint shuttle
yeah
potent ibex
because it benefits him now duh
not if I own land. if I attack and then own land, it suddenly hurts me too. They are balancing the system, but subs are a loophole.
warm knoll
lament tusk
wait so you guys like the new 2 week cooldown?
hollow willow
loopholing yo mom
strange reef
wait doesnt this benefit everyone cause goose wanted competition right? minus the 20 minute timer of course
potent ibex
No, I don't. It should be less.
warm knoll
loopholing yo mom
Can I join
potent ibex
But at the same time, guild players brought it upon themselves
limber river
@ everyone I think its worth noting. .
hollow willow
1v1 me scout mge noob
ripe niche
engineer gaming yo mom
flint shuttle
I like hopping into other guilds (notably not subs, i've only joined JsD & BCr as a sub this update) and this is gonna fuck me over
limber river
no more PROF guild
hollow willow
engineer gaming yo mom
🛺
limber river
guess we gotta wipe them
potent ibex
if ya wanna go and abuse mechanics they intentionally put into place and have openly talked about how they dislike how they have been abused, expect repercussions and loss of privileges because now they have to rework the system to discourage subs
lament tusk
if theres an issue with the whole going to prof guild why dont they just remove gathering xp boost as a whole
hollow willow
ill gladly take some stuff in SE
flint shuttle
if ya wanna go and abuse mechanics they intentionally put into place and have op...
ICE YOU DID THIS LAST UPDATE STOP ACTING BETTER THAN US
hollow willow
we could even put TNA there
flint shuttle
ty
limber river
m o r e g o o s e territories
ripe niche
se is gyp claim
lament tusk
i mean se is the only place its used
ripe niche
sorry guys
limber river
no moshi it was a necessity for him last time
he had to do it
they forced him too
warm knoll
hollow willow
ArchangeL should be able to 1 tap HQs
flint shuttle
not like Phi maintained for most of Artemis whilst barely ever using a sub
viscid siren
ICE YOU DID THIS LAST UPDATE STOP ACTING BETTER THAN US
Discuss guild shenanigans here! Stay friendly and civil.. You don't need to use caps for that msg lol
potent ibex
subs were a much different story than before, even sheepn said no one uses subs anymore, only a few in which are bypassing and invalidating what an entire system was designed for.
hollow willow
it litteraly render you as a god in the lore
warm knoll
ripe niche
moshi bcr gets sinister forest, rest is for DXI GYP fart
lament tusk
subs were a much different story than before, even sheepn said no one uses subs ...
which few?
warm knoll
ember cloak
Discuss guild shenanigans here! Stay friendly and civil.. You don't need to use ...
HI MAGNUM
limber river
apparently people do use subs? map is so dead doesnt matter does it
flint shuttle
subs were a much different story than before, even sheepn said no one uses subs ...
Multiple people use subs
lament tusk
who?
ripe niche
subs just dont get used and abused like they used to 😔😔
potent ibex
The difference is that developers are actually targeting subs now because the system is a lot different, the issue got fixed, subs are no longer justified.
They are actively working against it. The two week timer is unfortunate but hey kinda our fault for not playing the game as intended
lament tusk
ive never seen a sub in 1.20
warm knoll
flint shuttle
I've pulled up BCr multiple times, JsD, Ice blue fantasy
lament tusk
besides ibf if thats considered
ember cloak
BINGUS ON TOP
flint shuttle
they're useful
but we havent had the action to pull them for
so only the biggest guilds have used them
hollow willow
can TNI have a little bit of SE?
Hillary Clinton: Absolutely not, SE is meant for guilds who will use it for good reasons like proffessions or xp boost, not gate loving guilds
Bernie Sanders: Yes, TNI can have a little bit of SE
ripe niche
loulou how do I say ily in quebecois
wide shadow
boinie
potent ibex
if we can't play the game as intended they will have to change the system to make the problem less abusable 🤷
it sucks but we brought it on ourselves
ripe niche
j'tem
hollow willow
j'taime
warm knoll
flint shuttle
if we can't play the game as intended they will have to change the system to mak...
ice i stg
ripe niche
that's silly
hollow willow
if we can't play the game as intended they will have to change the system to mak...
is we speaking also about the guilds who straight up dipped the update?
ripe niche
I thought quebecois was all about getting rid of as many letters as possible
lament tusk
2 weeks is a bit too much or is that just me?
potent ibex
if we play the game as intended and don't intentionally try to abuse game mechanics, they wouldn't have to do this
hollow willow
it is bill
ember cloak
jk ur not dum ice
hollow willow
normally its Je t'aime
ember cloak
ily
limber river
i do love how the point of this update was to remove 24/7 warring and make small claims with good defenses the meta, with regional shifting maps. instead it goes from mega alliance to constant non stop attacks that you cant defend against lol
ornate furnace
I thought quebecois was made up
hollow willow
but in jouale its j'taime
ripe niche
no siree
hollow willow
well
flint shuttle
i do love how the point of this update was to remove 24/7 warring and make small...
ugh this is
hollow willow
we dont pronounce the e at the end
flint shuttle
so stupid
hollow willow
so it is j'taim indeed
potent ibex
ugh this is
love that but the next second you are complaining about long timers 😛
hollow willow
I thought quebecois was made up
made up inside yo mom 😎
ripe niche
thank you 99loulou999
limber river
loulouhypechannel
hollow willow
you are welcome DJBillGates21
lament tusk
love that but the next second you are complaining about long timers 😛
long timers bad long timers + 20 minutes worse? or is that just me
potent ibex
yes, lets give everyone 2 minute abusable free timers, totally won't be 24/7 map efforts
flint shuttle
love that but the next second you are complaining about long timers 😛
what does this even mean?
hollow willow
loulouhypechannel
allow me to tag everyone again at my will and I will destroy Artem of the IS
warm knoll
potent ibex
what does this even mean?
you were complaining about how you need subs because the timer to attack is too long
limber river
instead we give everyone free 2 minute timers that are 100% not abusable?
hollow willow
yes, lets give everyone 2 minute abusable free timers, totally won't be 24/7 map...
ok so now its 23h40/7 ?
shut perch
I wanted to run notg and got the maths wrong
potent ibex
so you use subs so u can plant your HQ wherever you want
hollow willow
I wanted to run notg and got the maths wrong
ok hanzo main
flint shuttle
yes, thats a big reason why hopping in general is useable this update
ok heres a better idea, make a rule against subs & let people hop among big guilds
like normal
hollow willow
subbing yo mom
ripe niche
how do u enforce
flint shuttle
not my problem quite frankly
lament tusk
there is no way to enforce
hollow willow
how do u enforce
with large ArchangeLs
potent ibex
they were talking about outlawing it, but then they remembered people would shit on moderators for doing their job so 🤷
ripe niche
substituting your mother onto the field because the midfielder is frankly disappointing and I think she can perform better
shut perch
we are total level 369 for groostlang salted please make it 370 be a homosome
limber river
~~TNL is a notably poor guild so we never used personal LE ~~
warm knoll
hollow willow
"Si vous voulez frauder la PCU.... faites le pas" -Justin Trudeau
flint shuttle
ok here's an idea, pull mods the fuck out of guild politics
flint shuttle
they shouldn't be involved if bias is such a problem
ornate forge
merge with 2b2t
hollow willow
remove staff
TODAY ON WYNNCRAFT, THE NEW ANARCHY SERVER...
warm knoll
ripe niche
idc just remove cata she played harka
hollow willow
L
limber river
wynn 2b2t update when
ripe niche
poor guy
limber river
WYNN MODERATOR CATASTROPHIC
warm knoll
hollow willow
wynn 2b2t update when
when im not doing yo mom 😎
warm knoll
Hi
limber river
ay yo
hollow willow
false
cloud pier
warm knoll
👁
hollow willow
limber river
please bring is back to 1.19 when no one abused any game mechanics
deep dock
bingus party
shut perch
LF 1 person to do grootslang 95 or under
warm knoll
hollow willow
LF 1 person to do grootslang 95 or under
or under yo mom 😎
shut perch
yttrue
hollow willow
smh Taq still using PROF as a ceding toy smhing h
potent ibex
It isn’t that bias is such a problem
It’s that they would get accused for bias simply by doing their job
And people lie, as Salted said
hollow willow
its that we dont have mandatory ArchangeL gaming session
"1 apple a day, keep the doctor away" -Salted
warm knoll
lost tangle
When do the changes start?
potent ibex
I would love a rule, but it doesn’t seem likely. Devs want to carry it out through the system itself
warm knoll
When do the changes start?
When you turn 12
hollow willow
kiwi stfu and listen to eddy malou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULK2E_qxyAc
warm knoll
👁 👄 👁
shut perch
kiwi got a level 95 or lwoer class and wanna run notg?
lost tangle
Getting the subs ready for it
potent ibex
Might be some unappealing mechanics, but it’s the price to pay to protect the system and the way it was designed from players seeking to bypass the mechanics.
lost tangle
Sry cal there are ppl at the house rn
shut perch
sadge
potent ibex
We don’t know yet
lost tangle
I would love to but rn i have irl stuff
ornate forge
notg?
potent ibex
It might be a bit
shut perch
groostlang
ornate forge
o
hollow willow
Might be some unappealing mechanics, but it’s the price to pay to protect the sy...
I bypassed my taxes 😎
potent ibex
Devs are working on it now tho apparently
warm knoll
Anyone who can create a guild for me according to my requirements, I provide all the things that are needed.
Would you create it yourself, but I'm only Combat Lv. 66.
This was translated via the google translator.
ornate forge
hes not saying the literal cost
lost tangle
You can get like 8 terrs b4 the other guild can attack ur hq
potent ibex
Fascinating
warm knoll
Ice is this what you do with your free time
potent ibex
Good suggestions
warm knoll
You sit in guild politics and argue with the enemy!!!
potent ibex
And Nimbuh I don’t have enemies
warm knoll
IM JOKING
lost tangle
Nimbuh when ppfart kissing gyp
hollow willow
I thought the only enemy was the sith lords
warm knoll
DIANEJFJFBBB FR FJD
hollow willow
NIMBUH YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART
strange reef
warm knoll
SUGAR DADDY PALPATINE
hollow willow
what the fuck is Padme saying after that?
lone totem
so how exactly does the war timer work
lament tusk
right now?
lone totem
because i feel like as it stands giving terrs 20 minutes immunity lets a single guild wipe most of another guild unapposed
lament tusk
idk if thats decided yet
lone totem
i'm fine with giving some peace time to new guilds who just took a terr
but giving such obscene power to the attacker kinda defeats the purpose of owning anything
i'm all for weakening the big guys but this seems like an extreme solution to a relatively simple problem
cloud pier
@toxic berry is it fine if i share the suggestions from our discord thingy in here
deep chasm
what is this server and why is everyone from art
cloud pier
OH lmao somebody already posted it
cloud pier
what is this server and why is everyone from art
its communications between guild leaders and staff
deep chasm
obviously wars are skewed too much towards the defenders
but this is going too far towards the other side
its going to be hard to find a delicate balance
bitter bobcat
its probably gonna work like
cloud pier
But artemis doesnt seem to make suggestions that only benefit them, everyone wants the best for the guild system
bitter bobcat
if guild B takes a ter from guild A, guild C has to wait 20 minutes to attack guild B
but guild A can attack in 3 minutes
probably .
deep chasm
ha
*ah
that makes sense
so mega alliances aren't the best
but defending solo is better
makes sense
deep chasm
i like the direction this is going
cloud pier
that 20m cooldown is probably gonna get reduced bc it’s stupid and it invalidates the point of even having allies lmao
bitter bobcat
oh of course
deep chasm
15 min sounds good
bitter bobcat
but it doesnt invalidate per se but
deep chasm
a good inbetween
bitter bobcat
yeah .
cloud pier
😐😐😐😐😐😐😐
deep chasm
🤔
frigid oak
But if an ally takes a terr and cedes it back to original owner would the timer still exist? Cause thatd be annoying af if a guild has allies close enough that the time for emeralds to move isn't too long
Probably a dumb question from me but worth asking
deep chasm
don't worry, no one else wishes for that time more than we do
cloud pier
will he comeback from the 11-2 ratio 🙏🙏🙏🙏
cloud pier
love when kap makes aot refenreces
deep chasm
yeah this is abusable
i would like to proudly say that EDN did not make use of this bug despite knowing it
civic bloom
But if an ally takes a terr and cedes it back to original owner would the timer ...
thank you for mentioning it, will add that to my essay
civic bloom
oh that one idk
half musk
yeah
deep chasm
baseless statements
lost tangle
Not heavily used
civic bloom
haven't seen it heavily used but i've seen it be atleast abused once or twice
bitter bobcat
what are we talked about
3 min timer getting reset after transferring ters?
fox abused it p heavily but then again fox wasnt that heavy
shut perch
everytime nia got attacked they'd transfer all to not nia then back
thats the only time I saw it
but I dont look at map much
bitter bobcat
nia only did that when a hq was in the middle of their ters
because theres that one ter that splits it in two
and there isnt a way to NOT have your resources go through a territory unless you transfer
and i dont think they were actively under attack :(
but fox was mid attack and it was canyon so they had plenty of routes
cloud pier
😔🕊
civic bloom
everytime nia got attacked they'd transfer all to not nia then back
same
bitter bobcat
ok
they have a solid 5 routes to go somewhere instead of that ter
and cheapest would have done fine
tribal marten
well
it IS a maze
copper parcel
everytime nia got attacked they'd transfer all to not nia then back
We only did that so we wouldnt feed enemy HQ's
The whole damn jungle area is a chokepoint
just like SE
Noticed how we only transfered back after the enemy was dead?
yall acting like we were playing hot potato with our terrs
copper parcel
Accusing us of bug abusing
shut perch
I didnt even think that was a bug
Id see that more of a tactic
cant have anything in alabama these days
civic bloom
i think of it as a tactic too, but atleast instead of giving the entire area, just retaliate immediately
cause thats like saying "oh my hq is being choked but i still have all my other territories, guess i'll just transfer everything"
which often makes it look like if you were stalling so they don't progress
civic bane
@keen scarab canyon connects to basically everything inside it
its an insanely good area
thing is if you look at the trade routes shown in the advancement menu a metric ton of them are straight up wrong
for example!
one way routes just dont exist lol all routes are 2 way
the menu's just dumb as hell
every time mr kapn said canyon was bad it was a large internal pepega moment however now that we arent on map i have no reason to keep quiet about it lmao
copper parcel
I didnt even think that was a bug
Alright, my bad. The way you worded it and the context of the conversation made me think that you were saying that we were ceding terrs to abuse cooldown timers.
wide shadow
internal pepega moment 
lost tangle
Bro wdym @civic bane cotl is very bad with choke points
I got hundreds of thousands of res in no time when i hqed on thanos
5 terrs must pass through it
There are only 2 routes out of thr canyon to cinfras
If you have just inside cotl yes its good
But with cinfras outskirts and gylia terrs its so easy to cut out large parts of the terr
There is also another choke point in cotl that gets 3 terrs
And plenty terrs that block one terr
civic bane
his map isn't accurate
lost tangle
I used it
civic bane
no map is
civic bane
because no one's manually documented every single route
civic bane
since you have to manually look at every terr's routing while you own it using another terr to transfer stuff
lost tangle
Just 5+ connections are hard to track
civic bane
ye that's correct but some routes just aren't listed on the advancements menu
lost tangle
Ill check that soon
But it worked anyways
When i hqed thanos
I got enough res to sustain very high on it
And decent defs on others
civic bane
that comes out of canyon having every resource in spades
it's absurdly stacked thanks to the oases
only llevi plains is kinda similar
ornate forge
Does anyone know what ever happened to cloverbot
edgy gyro
Apple probably just stopped keeping it up
edgy gyro
Hugs bad
edgy gyro
owo
potent ibex
if guild B takes a ter from guild A, guild C has to wait 20 minutes to attack gu...
tbh thats how it always has worked historically. The system always has favored the attacker, however the defender also become the attacker - it really ends up being a time game and one guild comes out being more dominant and holding land more or ultimately controlling the claim.
It should be very balanced though rather than a tug of war of changing positions
edgy gyro
@toxic berry
trim wedge
@toxic berry
toxic berry
<@!384956963404120075> is it fine if i share the suggestions from our discord th...
OH IT WAS IVO, I MEAN SURE BUT LIKE ASK THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THE SUGGESTIONS IG?
Also
Im not sole decider
Theres 4 admins for the reason lf I sometimes lose all my braincells
I dont do something stupid
weary perch
Simps
toxic berry
Shhh mini
cloud pier
ice already had posted it 😔
toxic berry
O
But yea ivo
I mute this chat
I only check on it like once every 3 days to see if someone pinged me
edgy gyro
xD
quiet goblet
I like your name empress of cheesecake
split copper
I only check on it like once every 3 days to see if someone pinged me
wtf this is the only channel i dont have muted i come here for a good laugh
cloud pier
,me when the
sage granite
@toxic berry
strange reef
Hey it’s pieck
tribal marten
join ironman btw guild
sage granite
HICH gaming
odd oxide
tribal marten
yoo no way
vocal granite
Are terrs worth anything yet?
tribal marten
dopamine points
vocal granite
So no
vocal granite
So no
ripe grail
no
vocal granite
Ego boosting isn't worth the headache and the tomes are a meme
ripe grail
i will be dissatisfied with the guild update untill there is an actual reason to war
vocal granite
Fair
ripe grail
OR
there is another guild activity
untill then guilds serve almost no purpose to me
potent ibex
Tbh
They need to make these set of changes first
See how it plays out
And then they will have more real time results to base xp values off
They want to see how much guilds will realistically be able to hold, that was always the goal
But not much happened upon launch lmao
At least not what was anticipated
ripe grail
idk man u could just make 1.21 the guilds update
and take more time testing
in beta
well mistakes were made
but ye im just here to whine about it
civic bane
they got too excited about having new devs and new servers and promised more than they could actually pull off
guilds got completely shafted once again as a result
ripe niche
i'd shaft you given the opportunity
ripe niche
top 10 guild according to wynncraft.com/stats
ripe niche
yeah top 14
tribal marten
incredible
ripe niche
HICH > Hax > Fox > PUN > Imp etc
tribal marten
how delayed is the territory feed on stats page btw
yes. the hich guild has an incredibly rich and long history
clearly.
tribal marten
yeah
tribal marten
fair enough
ripe niche
must be incredibly delayed because i'm not seeing HICH on top 🤔
tribal marten
yep i left the computer three hours ago and left my sentient 1.20 guild war fuckmaster 9000 script running so it should be any second now
my technical analysis says that we should have half of wynn
ripe niche
reported for scripting
ripe niche
give me the ironman btw [HICH] guild.
ripe grail
HIC
ripe grail
tribal marten
sadly though. the guild tag was taken
tribal marten
no we worked out an agreement for one territory to generate guild tomes i think. with eden. but nothing happened quite yet
and then we decided to attack shy for like two hours
ripe grail
ic
tribal marten
i’m just kinda hanging around idk
ripe niche
you are always welcome in the goose discord
tribal marten
guilds are more fun when you aren’t tied up in an alliance as big as goose so. might join at some point in the future but probably? not rn
ripe niche
i meant linny
tribal marten
deer do be having a long nose
ripe niche
ripe grail
its ah
ripe niche
shootin dreams
ripe grail
bisexual
ripe grail
shootin dreams
sad
azure egret
bisexual deer
ripe grail
bisexual autistic deer
ripe niche
take away the deer and you have moshi
ripe grail
oh god
azure egret
dead
ripe grail
im screenshotting that btw
azure egret
he got shot
tribal marten
nooo.
ripe grail
ripe niche
walkin away casually as to not get caught
tribal marten
yoo red gun man is back
ripe grail
revival
ripe niche
you've screenshotted it once and it looks shit quality how do you manage
ripe grail
skills
tribal marten
mobile gamers 😎
azure egret
time to play flippy knife among us fortnite pixel 4d
ripe grail
yes
ripe niche
level 16713
azure egret
sorry I only play candy crush soda saga
ripe grail
I played like
a game
u make cakes
when I was a kid
i dont remember what its called
azure egret
cakemania
tribal marten
minecraft
ripe grail
it was pre downloaded on my laptop
veri cool game
u clicked
and the cake when poof
and then boom
and aurf
azure egret
that is definitely cake mania if it's on laptop