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#guild_community
flint shuttle
hey ice when are u letting us into Artemis discord
lost tangle
sou gay msm
vocal granite
At least you didn't get mistaken for a girl
vocal granite
Its on the fed leader sheet
glad adder
madden IS a girl
flint shuttle
brb
glad adder
ive checked.
potent ibex
dangit I can't find it
flint shuttle
gotta find this
daring quarry
sou gay msm
mano eu sou ace, meu problema n é gay, é high school musical
lost tangle
hate sheepn smh
flint shuttle
no shit
ornate forge
We should make one
vocal granite
Drew how the hell would you know
ornate forge
I want to hurt kiwi
flint shuttle
please do not
glad adder
😎
ornate forge
Oh
flint shuttle
2 leader rule purge be like
lost tangle
I want to hurt kiwi
yes pls
ornate forge
Well fuck you kiwi
lost tangle
pls more
ornate forge
😳
lost tangle
im sado masochist you know
ornate forge
Hot
vocal granite
This is the problem with masochist
daring quarry
sadnees?
lost tangle
the more u insult me the better
vocal granite
You cant just kick them in the face and expect them to fuck off, they ask for more
flint shuttle
oh yeah im still looking at that valkryie recon-whatever thing
eeee
still got no clue what it is
daring quarry
You cant just kick them in the face and expect them to fuck off, they ask for mo...
hurt them with kindness, always work
vocal granite
I prefer buckshot
vocal granite
Kindness takes too long
daring quarry
well i guess you have a point
potent ibex
limber river
he dripping
lost tangle
LOL
limber river
fr
vocal granite
Ice, did you make fucking merch
potent ibex
yes xD
flint shuttle
ice why
vocal granite
Gdi
limber river
flint shuttle
drew btw want me to send u that valkryie reconquista thing to see if u know what it is uwu
vocal granite
I shouldn't be surprised since its not the first time its happened
glad adder
Found the Reconquista doc. It's from ~November 2019, about the time Valkyrie took full control back from Terra. The doc is just a list of every Valkyrie member that warred during the event.
glad adder
I'd assume just to acknowledge their help
flint shuttle
thats a lot of ppl
limber river
Terra, Federation, Valkyrie, Luna, GOOSE
glad adder
@elder narwhal it
its pho's doc, or at least shes the only person who ever sent it in kof discord
she might know more
daring quarry
Ice, the creature who was reject by heaven and hell
flint shuttle
howcome SDU, idk what the tag is of the next one, TNL, dunno this one, or this one, Mox & VMZ are listed tho
yeah i got it from pho too it seems
she sent the link, anyway
i dont think i've ever spoken to her directly lmao
glad adder
i have it
potent ibex
PLEASE
flint shuttle
limber river
who is this lad making ravioli
glad adder
i also have a few too many overly sexual titans valor memes
i dont know why they exist really
glad adder
limber river
is that ice or just a random ravioli maker
vocal granite
I miss the old days
lost tangle
@ornate forge how do u like my new pfp
flint shuttle
they were pinging u about a doc we found
elder narwhal
Ah yeah
ornate forge
<@!602553937790238754> how do u like my new pfp
Very nice
elder narwhal
I spent a few hours combing through logs
pulsar raft
Let’s go back to when TNA ruled the map
flint shuttle
Lmfao
limber river
Let’s go back to when TNA ruled the map
🅱️
flint shuttle
howcome so many non valk guilds are on there tho?
elder narwhal
I want to do it again for the like first big attack fox had against it a few weeks ago, just never got around to it
Because it wasn’t just valk who fought
flint shuttle
fair
pulsar raft
I’ve never heard of y’all till I got back into the guild scene
elder narwhal
It wasn’t a valk only vs Terra
pulsar raft
I was like what the fuck are these people
elder narwhal
We had help, so they should be shown
pulsar raft
Doing here
flint shuttle
i mean yeah no shit otherwise you would've been overwhelmed again
elder narwhal
Yeah
flint shuttle
though it seems like a primarily valk thing
didnt other guilds turn & fight with you, too, tho?
elder narwhal
Funny thing, when we retook the map from Terra it started while I was taking the SATs
flint shuttle
Lmfao
potent ibex
whoever made that meme modified my face to make me look evil
flint shuttle
i dont remember much about then was still pretty new to guilds
warred for a couple hours tho
limber river
vocal granite
Reminds me of gilgamesh from fate
potent ibex
elder narwhal
I had been in the planning for that for like a week, and I remember looking up from my test, seeing it’s 9am, and knowing fox was about to break neutrality and join in
potent ibex
compare the eyebrows
flint shuttle
lol
elder narwhal
But yeah, I forget how long ago that was sometimes
flint shuttle
pho when are you doing an operation subway list?
limber river
i remember waking up and saying "its subway day" went out and got subway and BOOM
SUBWAY
elder narwhal
Nah, that was just a cheesed fight
flint shuttle
SUBWAY LIST
elder narwhal
I plan to do one for the fight before that
flint shuttle
that was an alright one ngl
elder narwhal
When I was in LXA for like 6 hours, then had to go to Fox
flint shuttle
i had to go to sleep in the middle of it because i was so fucking tired though
elder narwhal
Yeah
flint shuttle
I'd been up since like, 11pm the previous night
elder narwhal
The longest ive gone for a war was 14 hours
flint shuttle
went for like 12 hours that day i think?
elder narwhal
That was during the first big fox raid from July 2019
I was in charge of coordinating the thanos area for fucking hours
flint shuttle
Yikes
elder narwhal
I didnt stop until 2:30
flint shuttle
am?
elder narwhal
Yeah
flint shuttle
RIP
vocal granite
Pho is a machine
elder narwhal
I was there when shit broke out at like 11am
potent ibex
Moshi when did u join
elder narwhal
And the most vivid memory from that was like, one of our EU members trying to help defend jungle with me at 11am, telling me that he doesnt think we'll make it and hes sorry he has to go
flint shuttle
join what?
elder narwhal
Then at 2am, the same dude waking up and getting on to defend for the last couple of hours so we would win
flint shuttle
I joined Shy in november, i joined my first 'big' ish guild august 2019
so i've kinda been watching shit occur since Luna fell
daring quarry
all that guild stuff stills relevant on wynn?
pulsar raft
No
elder narwhal
My favorite fight was July 2019
limber river
guild tomes
elder narwhal
IM REALIZING NOW
vocal granite
A lot of us still remember it
flint shuttle
pho is old wtfrick
pulsar raft
Legio >
elder narwhal
Not really that old looking at the massive history of fox behind me
flint shuttle
was in phi from August 2019 till like, jan 2020, but thats about it
vocal granite
Yea pho has been around forever and over the years I've only been more and more convinced she is a robot
elder narwhal
Nah
flint shuttle
nah the 'foxes fall in' sound cant be replicated by a robot
flint shuttle
its fun as hell to meme too tbh
elder narwhal
Yee
potent ibex
honestly it is kinda crazy.
We were expecting activity on a level never scene before when 1.20 hit. Honestly, I thought guilds were gonna be on steroids
elder narwhal
I dont let it get to me
flint shuttle
then again so is the coalition trailer
vocal granite
And then they committed die
flint shuttle
gotta meme everything even if its your own technical side
limber river
honestly it is kinda crazy.
We were expecting activity on a level never scene b...
I KNOW
flint shuttle
:)
elder narwhal
Alright so the first war I was talking about was from July 2018
flint shuttle
ngl we did see a lot of activity, just not from the guilds we expected
flint shuttle
I expected to see a lot more of Artemis
potent ibex
well like, the war scene
ornate forge
I expected to see a lot more of Artemis
.
potent ibex
the war scene was goose taking over the map after the wipe, and then legit some skirmishes with ERN and then eventually ILQ, LXA, ERN and Fox
elder narwhal
I basically had to fully coordinate the whole canyon from 10pm to 6:30am
flint shuttle
Never lead a war, but tbh i particularly enjoyed a lot of the smaller wars i've done since 1.20
elder narwhal
And then I passed off command to an EU member and fucking passed out
potent ibex
There was barely any large map movements in 1.20. Goose basically just took the map and Artemis yeeted.
flint shuttle
CNM attacking us at like 5am was a fucking shit show
elder narwhal
I remember being so anxious that night
narrow path
what’s CNM’s main timezone?
limber river
i wonder
flint shuttle
south asia i bet
limber river
what it is
ornate forge
Probs American tbh
flint shuttle
idk much about the guild itself
ornate forge
Couldn’t be Asian right?
flint shuttle
but they attacked us at a bad time like, 2 days into 1.20
_>
it was lovely i swear
ornate forge
Glad we immediately truced them lol
elder narwhal
this was my dms with goden after i ws about 4 hours into leading the defense during that massive raid
i was a mess LMFAO
potent ibex
@glad adder #PrayForImperial3
vocal granite
Pho whats the longest you lead a war straight
potent ibex
@elder narwhal *lose
lost tangle
There was barely any large map movements in 1.20. Goose basically just took the ...
Eden and ern fought on the forst week
500 wars just on me
In a week
daring quarry
@potent ibex no doubt ppl dislike you
lost tangle
Im assuming izz also has like 500 wars
lost tangle
Couldn’t be Asian right?
“China number one” “coudnt be asian”
ornate forge
Xd
lost tangle
I went from 1pm to 4-7am quite some days on the first week
elder narwhal
Alrighty
@flint shuttle https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UtT72yxpmHVBU_3Vwv53MZfPsq6sTmFcDlEPYPozr8g/edit?usp=sharing
vocal granite
Oh shit I'm on there
flint shuttle
oh i've alr got this lol
elder narwhal
This is the list of players defending fox during that July 2019 raid
elder narwhal
It different from the reconquista
This was a few months earlier, when DDT and Hax attacked us
flint shuttle
you do this every time?
elder narwhal
I did it for two wars
But we never really had anyhting significant until a few weeks ago
vocal granite
I was like fucking useless but meh, was there
flint shuttle
I was like fucking useless but meh, was there
i mean, in old wars, every man kinda helped
flint shuttle
like, subway was literally just an example of that
potent ibex
I have Drew's permission to share. One of his best rants of all time
flint shuttle
we were all 1 man guilds, but together we wiped a whole guild off the map
elder narwhal
They were stressful as hell but I enjoyed the management
potent ibex
glad adder
I love these
limber river
IVO IN ERN
potent ibex
glad adder
So much
potent ibex
elder narwhal
Yeah I see the subway tactic just fucking cheesy
flint shuttle
yeah no shit
elder narwhal
Artemis did it to hax very early on and I hated it
ornate forge
Lmao
flint shuttle
it was originally made to try get Subs banned
elder narwhal
Yeah
lost tangle
IVO IN ERN
Ivo used to manage ern activity lmao
flint shuttle
but it quickly just became a meme among the people who knew about it
elder narwhal
No one in fox really took a morale hit at all because like
flint shuttle
found out about it a bit ago, was pretty funny but imo i thought it'd crash the servers
elder narwhal
We kinda realized that no matter what there was nothing we can do
flint shuttle
& didnt expect it to happen
elder narwhal
We still have won every other coordinated attack, and this was just a fucking cheese
flint shuttle
shrug
potent ibex
<@!336373556726202368> no doubt ppl dislike you
but like. . i don't even know most of y'all
flint shuttle
ngl, personally enjoyed the raid
elder narwhal
I mean
potent ibex
nor do you probably know me
lost tangle
Fox put a pp on eden on the day we had cotl and im grateful for it
flint shuttle
though i mean, we could've wiped u faster
elder narwhal
It wasnt the best ive had
flint shuttle
Sinister forest was a mess of a war
narrow path
who were the attacking guilds during that raid?
daring quarry
nor do you probably know me
exactly i just like the chaos, you guys kept entertained for like, 2 hours know, thanks
now
im dumb
lost tangle
You would like here post sub
potent ibex
o nvm u the random guy in chat that just likes reading chaos and weird historical events
got it
elder narwhal
But yeah, I think why we didnt get that much of a morale hit, is because we realized that once you guys took every territory from us, all we were doing was gaining since
potent ibex
I lerk too
elder narwhal
We didnt really feel as much pressure as previous raids
narrow path
what guilds were on each side of the raid?
flint shuttle
Ngl, the only disadvantage i ever saw to subway was that it made y'all a lot less dependant on keeping yourselves on the map
limber river
[Goos] is #1 subguild
flint shuttle
like, in the past, fox tends to be pretty predictable because at the end of the day, maintaining territories was a big thing
potent ibex
Fox has already made it clear if the war system becomes more appealing, they will return. Maybe thats why there are people saying "its perfect"
flint shuttle
but now y'all have gone entirely community after EDN started warring for penises
lost tangle
what guilds were on each side of the raid?
Subway you mean?
narrow path
yes
lost tangle
IT WASNT FOR PENISES
elder narwhal
Nah
lost tangle
FAKE NEWS
flint shuttle
Oh subway was a lot of guilds
elder narwhal
We went community because EDN warring us and us trying to defend made us realize how just
Bullshit this is
And how we shouldnt be devoting our time to this
lost tangle
I wanted to test chokepoints
potent ibex
Fox never had to play defense until EDN finally poked them, and thats when they were like yeah no
flint shuttle
Nah they did
elder narwhal
I was in the call that decided to drop territories
We had to defend sometimes, and we just kinda dealt with it because it was like
potent ibex
They announced like a day ago they will return if the war system becomes appealing
flint shuttle
Me & Vova were in mag poking fox and i made multiple attempts on the HQ that day
elder narwhal
Customary to defend ourselves
lost tangle
I was kind of happy kind of sad
flint shuttle
I think i attacked fox hq like, 4 times that day?
limber river
started with drawing in a penis in fox and ended in making fox quit, very weird
potent ibex
Yeah, we know xD
potent ibex
Goden casually told us in Artemis how Goose guilds were poking at Fox HQ
flint shuttle
👀
lost tangle
Ye its better to go community if you dont like
flint shuttle
yeah im not a huge fan of the new system, either
i like it at its base, but a lot of it just feels boring
lost tangle
Im ok with it
elder narwhal
We have better things to put our energy into besides draining our pockets for nothing in return
lost tangle
Unsure if i prefer 1.19
elder narwhal
The wars themselves, wonderful
vocal granite
They wanted to make it like civ
But failed miserably
potent ibex
ANO went dormant in wars upon 1.20. We all just took a break. We never attempted a reclaim, and for like two weeks we didn't touch wars. GNC then decided yo who wants to hop along? Ima poke wars.
So we poked jungle then Corkus
lost tangle
When artemis officially disbanding or becoming community?
potent ibex
which btw, jungle is complete garbage now
narrow path
my guild stopped warring for now mainly because of how expensive it is to start a war (2le per war)
flint shuttle
I mean tbh hax is dealing with other issues, clearly
potent ibex
Sad how it went from the throne of the Wynn province to the petty excuse of a claim
flint shuttle
other than the 2le per war issue
so i mean, not rlly unexpected y'all arent warring
same with Bla
elder narwhal
Just for a system thats like
lost tangle
But not aweful
elder narwhal
Is horribly exploitative and unbalanced
lost tangle
Not broken anymore tho
elder narwhal
For legitimately no reward at all
flint shuttle
Hax lost a lot of its leadership, too, though
elder narwhal
Whats the point anymore
lost tangle
But ye its kind of unbalanced
narrow path
Aly hates it
true
lost tangle
But there is reward
elder narwhal
Whats the reward?
flint shuttle
fun
lost tangle
Eden already made like 30le and that bc we are on defensive mode
We can go full farm for like 30 le per day
potent ibex
Hax is the #1 guild. They historically have always had lots of power. Even when they were taken down, they return with great force that even Valkyrie had to step in and quell post Federation.
elder narwhal
Its not fun to try and defend yourselves in such a fucked system
lost tangle
Hax was*
elder narwhal
Being on the attack
potent ibex
Hax is #1 in level I should clarify
lost tangle
First guild rn is avo
potent ibex
meh
flint shuttle
ngl rn i dont think Hax is gonna do well anytime soon with how many chiefs they just lost
narrow path
Hax lost a lot of its leadership, too, though
one of hax’s chiefs (IceWarox) left for another guild about a week ago
elder narwhal
Thats always been more fun than defending, whether thats now or in the past
vocal granite
Did avo pass hax?
potent ibex
No they didn't
lost tangle
Super high investiment
flint shuttle
Hax lost a lot of chiefs, nuke
potent ibex
Hax is a grinding machine
elder narwhal
But then also seeing how badly Salted butchered guild slots and the xp gain for them
flint shuttle
not sure which
elder narwhal
It was just best fox went community
lost tangle
Oh ye the xp gain is just dumb
elder narwhal
I personally was fucking sick of the stranglehold Wynn had on the expansion of our community
potent ibex
Fox will return if it becomes appealing so have hope
elder narwhal
I have been in Fox since it had 45 in game slots
lost tangle
Imo artemis just didnt give up entirely bc yall hope for changes for the better
narrow path
i’m thinking hax might go community soon if the war system doesn’t change
flint shuttle
no shit
potent ibex
yeah the whole slot thing is stupid.
flint shuttle
Hax has the community to do so
narrow path
more member slots?
elder narwhal
Fox will return if we think it would be worth it to return again
flint shuttle
y'all literally have the biggest guild discord ofc hax would be able to go community
pulsar raft
No lol
flint shuttle
ngl worked out the biggest guild discords yesterday and surprisingly it isnt valk
which is
pulsar raft
The member slots thing was for the better. Makes guilds less powerful and more lean
flint shuttle
weird
potent ibex
Having large discords doesn't mean large activity
flint shuttle
eh i mean, the majority of them are the largest
elder narwhal
Jake do you realize how communities were cut in half
potent ibex
but Hax discord is p active yeah
flint shuttle
the largest two are Hax & Shy
potent ibex
^
potent ibex
You cannot do that to existing communities
elder narwhal
When Salted was asked about why they are so low
civic bane
hax's has like 50 bots
pulsar raft
🤷♂️
glad adder
Guild slot changes were objectively awful and insulting
potent ibex
Shy is only a bit larger than ours by like a few players 😦
civic bane
shy had a metric ton from mivir iirc
potent ibex
^
elder narwhal
He just said he thought it was because a lot of big guilds ahve "dead weight"
vocal granite
Which, just isn't true really
flint shuttle
members wise, they have more than other discords whilst also having two of the biggest communities
narrow path
hax's has like 50 bots
bots as in discord bots?
civic bane
member quantity is a useless metric use the server insights feature for actually decent ones
elder narwhal
Fox went from 80 slots to fucking 40
glad adder
Big guilds have NO dead weight that’s WHY THEYRE BIG GUILDS
lost tangle
ye drew is right
potent ibex
^
civic bane
bots as in discord bots?
bot accounts
lost tangle
only medium guilds have dead weight
flint shuttle
true
elder narwhal
Its fucking insulting to think the admin of the server thinks that HALF OF A MAJOR GUILD is just fucking dead
lost tangle
not rly
potent ibex
Yeah it was insulting. We complained about the slots and they said "just remove your dead weight"
lost tangle
oh was it a joke?
elder narwhal
And yeah, then stuff was fixed
glad adder
also Goden how DARE you not respond to my shitty message about my shitty ass dream where I hired a hit man on you
elder narwhal
But only for level 80 guilds
lost tangle
sry im rly bad at identifying irony
elder narwhal
Other small guilds lost upwards of 20 slots
flint shuttle
oh yeah we literally only had one 'deadweight' member
potent ibex
thats what sucks
flint shuttle
because we presumed he'd be unbanned with 1.20
potent ibex
ANO still was at a loss of 18 slots
civic bane
we lost six i believe
elder narwhal
This isnt about "restricting guilds power", its about the fact that wynncraft just basically told most of its established communities to just slice itself in half
lost tangle
eden lost like 18 slots
potent ibex
Its actually insulting that in Hero Beta we were at like 30 slots, then they raised it a bit more - but we still lost slots
elder narwhal
Its insulting to just think of members as simply force for a guild, even a guild like fox had members that didnt want to contribute to the power of it
flint shuttle
thankfully shy got lucky 'cause we were close asf to getting 10 more slots
elder narwhal
But wanted to be here for the community aspect of things
glad adder
you go you beautiful printer you
elder narwhal
The entire thing with the slots is fucking insulting and I cannot be convinced otherwise
potent ibex
Exactly. STOP seeing guilds as just war!!
So much of the new system was based off the mindset that guilds are just for wars. I'm sure the 20 le guild cost was also based around subs
civic bane
in the end the issue is administration decided they knew what would be objectively best and wanted for and by the guild community despite not interacting with it at all and how wrong they are is exemplified blatantly by the forum poll that's sitting at a nice 160 to 10 or something vote
flint shuttle
they do that acting like the people who buy subs dont have money to spare anyway
civic bane
listen to your community before you do shit and you won't have a problem
potent ibex
Guilds were established for the purpose of community FIRST
civic bane
again find it baffling they didn't learn that from 1.18 pepega
pulsar raft
Eh
half musk
they wanted us to buy bombs and grind 😐
glad adder
Wynn staff and not being remotely involved with guilds but thinking they know exactly what is best for it
Name a better duo
civic bane
iconic!
flint shuttle
I mean, there are a couple CT members in guilds
potent ibex
CT maybe
flint shuttle
problem is, they weren't included in the development of it
civic bane
it's salted's vision it should not be contested
pulsar raft
Idk what a guild is
potent ibex
name a dev
civic bane
relief
potent ibex
The developers who designed the system don't even participate in guilds
nor know this community
flint shuttle
An excellent way to have avoided this mess would've been to include the CT members heavily involved in guilds with development
narrow path
^
potent ibex
CT members got to test it out
flint shuttle
we did
civic bane
the only one who actively has worked hard to fix stuff so far is zeero, the new dev who likely has little say in how stuff functions and just codes it
lmao
potent ibex
thats about it
flint shuttle
but we didnt get much
elder narwhal
Ive worked for the past 3 years to develop the community of fox, and to see wynncraft administration blatantly not care for it is a fucking slap in the face
flint shuttle
I knew the basis of this system since about 2019, but i didnt know much about it till release
civic bane
too bad he cannot make decisions as salted can
glad adder
I lost the last teaspoon of faith I had left in the devs when I heard that salted’s logic was “lol big guilds probably have dead weight right?” like thats LITERALLY not even something that is intangible. There are literally BOTS that will show you when each member in a guild was last active
elder narwhal
Lemme go take a looksie at fox
glad adder
you don’t even have to do the work yourself anymore
pulsar raft
Mmmmm
glad adder
Bots spit out the answers for you
potent ibex
This is why more guilds will probably separate from Wynncraft. The game does not allow us to grow further nor promote a larger community.
civic bane
mine was after him admitting that he basically did not care about the community's stance as it wasn't his vision for the guild system
his vision was what he preferred to work on rather than communication
lmfao
pulsar raft
It’s more of a who’s useful and who’s not as useful. The quality of the player increased. Imo
flint shuttle
ngl i get that vibe from what he's created
civic bane
no actually
elder narwhal
Only 8 of fox's member have had under 1 hour of playtime in the past 2 weeks
flint shuttle
he just doesn't care for us
glad adder
Useful is fucking useless as a term
civic bane
you're just as out of touch dog
flint shuttle
he just wants us to be something
potent ibex
^
vocal granite
His vision for the guild system told people to fuck off
glad adder
Just because a player doesn’t war doesn’t mean they aren’t a useful and impactful member of the guild’s community
flint shuttle
i dont think he realises that if the guild community as is dies, it likely wont survive
potent ibex
Jake, you have to realize that at the end of the day, WE use the system. Our guilds are based on the system.
The communities we have been building for years.
glad adder
Once again failing to understand that community is the driving force behind each guild not the warrers
elder narwhal
Do you think Fox could have worked as it did if we werent a cohesive community?
elder narwhal
Like if we all didnt have mutual respect and trust in eachother through knowing eachother
flint shuttle
Once again failing to understand that community is the driving force behind each...
i think he also fails to realise that many players enjoy warring for the sake of warring, rather than warring for the sake of taking out other guilds
pulsar raft
Do you think Fox could have worked as it did if we werent a cohesive community?
Kinda the point of the cut
flint shuttle
I enjoy warring personally, and i fucking want FFAs back
potent ibex
Jake you are out of touch.
civic bane
man you are
glad adder
I just don’t understand how anyone could look at the absurdly skewed results of that poll and think. “Yes. I am right. It’s the world that’s wrong.”
elder narwhal
"only cohesive communities can be 40 members big"
civic bane
im baffled lul
elder narwhal
sorry guys
I think Fox and Hax and AVO are testaments to how you can have a cohesive community of 80 members
civic bane
I'm glad that staff gets to decide how well we can manage our communities
flint shuttle
btw, how long are reply times for Fox's communit townsperson thing generally?
potent ibex
I wish I had enough slots to have over 80 members 😦
elder narwhal
Yeah, babysit and tell me how many people fox is able to connect
potent ibex
I would love more people at my events
flint shuttle
Is ano still overflowing btw?
potent ibex
YES
flint shuttle
RIP
potent ibex
we still full
potent ibex
they nerfed any grinding
daring quarry
good night ppl lov yall
potent ibex
that we could have done
flint shuttle
no shit
elder narwhal
Fucking insulting
flint shuttle
Shy had to grind for a while to lvl up again
glad adder
I don’t know who you are but I love you too
flint shuttle
but u gotta do it
civic bane
just cause staff is garbage at managing anything bigger than a tiny 10 person group doesn't mean the entire guild community is
lol
vocal granite
Just looked at the thread
166 to 13
If that's not fucking damning of a scoreline I don't know what is
potent ibex
TAq jumped to level 80 bc they grinded when you could ACTUALLY level to grind
now you cannot do anything
elder narwhal
Spent 3 years making a cohesive community of 80 members and growing, yet being told that we needed our slots axed because apparently thats not possible
Fucking insulting
potent ibex
Ah yes, I love the 166 votes saying dissatisfied. Thats a huge poll in just a day.
its heavily one sided lmao
flint shuttle
Ngl i wonder how many of the 13 people who voted satisfied are actually satisfied
narrow path
is there a link to that thread?
flint shuttle
I mean, sam absolutely is the kind of person just to vote satisfied because its what no one voted
potent ibex
I wonder how many of them are not even guild people
potent ibex
watch a dev having voted yes LMAO
flint shuttle
elder narwhal
LMAO
pulsar raft
Hi Goden
potent ibex
MOSHI
flint shuttle
?
potent ibex
You can read who voted dissatisfied??!
flint shuttle
yeah..?
vocal granite
How do you do that btw
flint shuttle
click on the underlined thing
vocal granite
Ah
potent ibex
Astha said he still thinks there should be balances and fixes.
A lot of people like the new system, not that it is perfect lmao
glad adder
Cough
half musk
yeah i like the system but theres so many flaws
potent ibex
Dwicey voted yes
flint shuttle
welcome to this epsiode of big brain ez
glad adder
No, it’s the world that’s wrong
flint shuttle
glad to see the guild community can agree on at least something, though
flint shuttle
we'll get a change, eventually
civic bane
praise 🙏
flint shuttle
Goden, there's no reason to be salty about it rn
eager jackal
wtf i said that like a day ago drew
flint shuttle
they haven't outright refused us yet
vocal granite
Also
Drew and Kath are agreeing
I think that's grounds enough that there's a fucking issue
flint shuttle
nah, they haven't
glad adder
Why do you act like that’s rare
flint shuttle
Ice's talked with Zeer about it
civic bane
do think they've said they just won't be changing the system
glad adder
Cath and I agree on a lot more than you think we do
flint shuttle
not since that thing, they haven't
flint shuttle
true
potent ibex
Zeer talked to us as a "player"
civic bane
he's new at that
best he can do is relay stuff
but so can the entire ct
no difference
flint shuttle
nah, devs can do more
vocal granite
You said like a fucking hour or two ago drew that its impossible for you and kath to agree
civic bane
devs are paid to code what administration wants them to code
vocal granite
Fair
civic bane
not to come up with their own ideas
potent ibex
I mean, even Astha acknowledges the system isn't perfect. He just likes the changes.
And thats for a lot of people
elder narwhal
thing is
civic bane
he too can't make those choices in the end though he has more influence
elder narwhal
change has been asked for
potent ibex
we like the system, the execution is just off
civic bane
it's literally just salted
elder narwhal
since early december
civic bane
lmao
flint shuttle
true, colin has a lot more influence than Zeer though
elder narwhal
Thing is
flint shuttle
hmm do we know whether or not Salted's seen the thread?
limber river
already know i had to vote satisfied, i like more about 1.20 guilds than i did 1.19
glad adder
And we are fully within our rights to criticize the hell out of him and refuse to play his game 😎
potent ibex
ngl the people that voted yes probably voted yes because they are satisfied about the political result of the update or how things are politically
elder narwhal
ANd the consequence is just that he is pushing away most of the most well established communities his game has
civic bane
just cause you like it more doesn't mean it's a good system tho sheep
1.19 was a terribly low bar
flint shuttle
true
elder narwhal
And there will always be people to fill our shoes i guess
civic bane
if this one barely goes above it it doesn't make it good
potent ibex
already know i had to vote satisfied, i like more about 1.20 guilds than i did 1...
I DO TOO, doesn't mean I am satisfied. I will definitely push for it to be better and balanced. There is always room for improvement.
flint shuttle
I like a lot about the new system, but its pretty shit in a lot of aspects
hence why i voted dissatisfied
elder narwhal
But seeing how willing Salted is to completely abandon his most established communities
flint shuttle
I LOVE the new wars like holy shit someone attack me
elder narwhal
I think says something about his choices
flint shuttle
but the cost
civic bane
gonna wipe a claim of 5 territories for the low price of 36le
elder narwhal
Sure, make your game how you want to
civic bane
A bargain!
elder narwhal
But this is your consequence
earnest crypt
ah yes
civic bane
ye that's integer limit
flint shuttle
yep
half musk
pog
civic bane
i love some wars being impossible to start without paying yourself
elder narwhal
See its a dream to just kill active warring, it kills so many thorns in wynn's side
flint shuttle
can we just cede it all to hax again and give up
narrow path
is the war cost being that high a glitch?
flint shuttle
Nope
half musk
we wish
flint shuttle
thats absolutely intentional
flint shuttle
wait why is that going to Cathedral harbour
elder narwhal
We touched your shit for the first time in 6 years
flint shuttle
ugh i hate that territory
elder narwhal
So most criticism is attempted to be nulled
Purely off of the idea that wynn finally decided to step up and doesnt expect it to be a fuck up
civic bane
remember guys this is supposed to be more realistic in terms of mechanics to actual politics and irl nations are not able to attack anything outside of your own continent as it is TOO expensive
it's true!
potent ibex
Has Dwicey even tried out 1.20 wars or does he just not like guilds that much lmao
civic bane
yeah
flint shuttle
Dwicey isnt big into guilds i believe
from my time on CT and general just looking, he didnt really seem too interested in guilds
potent ibex
Since when can someone from the United States go attack a country out of their own money in the name of the US?
flint shuttle
there isnt anyone on CT who's really into guilds atm i think apart from maybe Chigo?
limber river
even if it politically turned out the other way, tnl , mainly xyz and gato were willing to fund a very very long war of personal LE anyway
earnest crypt
They never were
civic bane
sure sheep but that's the problem
vocal granite
Wasn't the last time dwicey cared about guilds like Oys?
limber river
and i would be happy to fight that i like guild towers
elder narwhal
this completely distracted me from studying
civic bane
you shouldn't be able to decide wars based on who's richer in members
flint shuttle
can you name anyone else, either?
shut coyote
Hello, yes I am stalking
civic bane
that's just fucked lol
elder narwhal
but im happy people across the aisle feel the same as we do
earnest crypt
Like sure the new wars are fun sometimes
flint shuttle
I know there are a couple CT members inBLA
potent ibex
its basically a competition of which guilds spend more money
elder narwhal
i was so worried that this would be a partisan thing
flint shuttle
in bla*
limber river
yeah but then it’s like
earnest crypt
But the whole system
flint shuttle
but i dont think Leo or Aucorg war
flint shuttle
or do much
elder narwhal
LMAO
elder narwhal
did you know that wars dont just spend your le
flint shuttle
oh yeah i hate that system, it means guilds like BLA are strong as fuck because they have rich as fuck players
elder narwhal
its intended they steal your mythics too!
elder narwhal
/s
flint shuttle
even though Bla is literally a dead guild
elder narwhal
HEY
vocal granite
They steal your soul
potent ibex
tbh thats why I gave up Corkus and let Mag take it. We were pushing there for fun, but then the fun began to become expensive. We were strategically attacking things and territories to secure emeralds, resources and routes.
They swipe thru the entire island with personal money, it isn't strategy oriented.
elder narwhal
we all know they unintentionally steal mythics anyway
potent ibex
We weren't about to blow our own emeralds to respond
shut coyote
Also I'm definitely not super into guilds
earnest crypt
:(
flint shuttle
no one in CT has been super into guilds for a while
shut coyote
kind of
potent ibex
Cath
elder narwhal
hey
flint shuttle
Cath left in 2019
wide shadow
in ct? like guilds? get kicked from ct 🙁
flint shuttle
no, there really aren't
limber river
1.20 is just as shitty as 1.19 but it brought me badges, guild bank and guild tomes so i sleep happy
flint shuttle
nah you dont
glad adder
yeah ever branch of the wynncraft staff has a track record of just like
flint shuttle
I left CT of my own choice, was into guilds whilst i was on it, though
glad adder
lowkey ostracizing anyone who likes guilds
potent ibex
@limber river depressing that the standard has become that low LMAO
elder narwhal
yeah
flint shuttle
Was never particularly ostracised for it, though
potent ibex
guild people at this point just set their expectations low
otherwise we get dissapointed
elder narwhal
like to see the ct and mod team just striahgt up admit they fucking hate guilds and would rather see them die
heehee
glad adder
and are still disappointed
earnest crypt
Yeah, I like the whole territory system besides the bugs
potent ibex
Mod team likes guilds
elder narwhal
see the territory system
potent ibex
A good amount of mods are guild players
elder narwhal
great concept
flint shuttle
Im just saying, you guys have the wrong perception of CT here
glad adder
Guild people set their expectations as low as they can possibly go and then Wynn still finds new ways to disappoint them
earnest crypt
But warring is a waste
elder narwhal
but the amount of exploitative """intended""" practices, and horrible balancing
potent ibex
Content team has NOTHING to do with the update, and they should not be hated on.
flint shuttle
CT members don't hate guilds, they dont ostracise guild players
earnest crypt
There is so much potential in the system if they did it right
flint shuttle
they dont want us to die
elder narwhal
honestly bring me back to when no one cared
potent ibex
We should respect staff, but we need to be vocal.
flint shuttle
just many of them are not interested.
vocal granite
Ima go play stellaris, theres pacifists to forcibly remove from existence
flint shuttle
so please, don't trash on them for not being interested in the same things we are
elder narwhal
nah im talking about the ones who admit to wanting to gujilds to die
granted
this has been like
flint shuttle
who haven't been around for a while.
flint shuttle
I was on CT for over a year, like, no one really hates guilds
flint shuttle
a lot of people aren't interested in guilds/have a toxic perception of it
and remember, i was actually on the team you're talking about
lol
wide shadow
i mean if theres nobody on the ct who is interested in guilds it makes you think that maybe admins dont want guild people on ct....
elder narwhal
i appreciate the steps that the ct has been making to try and repair the relationship
flint shuttle
this conversation smh.
glad adder
ponto gets it
flint shuttle
That's not it...?
Administration doesn't decide who joins the CT
thats up to the managers
flint shuttle
if you are on ct, you can see the applications
elder narwhal
but in the end that cant nullify the shit we've been hearing for years, it can only seek to try and repair
wide shadow
the people who decide this shit
flint shuttle
& you're allowed to vote on them
wide shadow
its built into a system where if a guild person were to apply to the ct theyd just get denied because of their interest in guilds
potent ibex
I'm pretty sure staff do not discriminate guild people.
Content team members are not officially staff I believe. Moderators are, and there are plenty of guild involved staff.
wide shadow
at least thats how i see it
flint shuttle
the only people who usually aren't accepted outside of not being skilled enough is people who've been on CT previously and have done really questionable shit while off of ct or left due to questionable things
potent ibex
Are content team members official staff?
flint shuttle
they are.
shut coyote
Literally nobody in guilds even applies for CT
flint shuttle
^
shut coyote
like maybe you get one or two in a few months
elder narwhal
i actually have been thinking about it, but im way too rusty on building
potent ibex
I'm worried I suck so I never have
I was working on my portfolio with Dwicey a few months back
but I took a break
flint shuttle
if you're taking the fact Cath wasn't accepted back after reapplying, there's other shit there
potent ibex
he ended up getting in so props
flint shuttle
so please don't use one example as word.
elder narwhal
nah cath is a different story
pulsar raft
Bro that’s one person
elder narwhal
im not trying to make a case about how guild members are excluded
flint shuttle
ct aint got shit against guilds, you're not being discriminated against
potent ibex
I agree with that. Staff do not discriminate guild players, much of staff, especially the mod team, consists of large guild players.
glad adder
I wasn’t saying that people actively discriminate against guild players 24/7
elder narwhal
just talking about the general dislike towards guilds from the ct from the past few years
glad adder
I’m saying that I believe there is something fundamental with the staff groups
elder narwhal
it kinda made the ct villianized in our communities
glad adder
That prevents guild people from having any desire to mix with them
potent ibex
We should respect staff. We can, we have to, be vocal about our concerns, but we cannot attack any of them personally.
flint shuttle
shrug, y'all can believe that if you want, but please dont hate on members of CT/actively villanise them
glad adder
Not anything intentional
Just fundamental cultural differences
NOVODY is saying that bro
I’m saying the OPPOSITE rn
elder narwhal
and thats something a bit too deep seeded to kinda forget
flint shuttle
and besides, i think a lot of CT members tend to just not necessarily be community people in general
flint shuttle
A whole host of CT members don't actively socialise
so there's no surprise they aren't in guilds
wide shadow
if im being honest a ct member that isnt at least somehwat active in the community should not be ct lol
imo
glad adder
I remember back in the day whenever you saw any CT member comment on anything guild related
It was almost exclusively them just saying
Delete guilds
Guilds should be deleted
Bad feature, all they bring is toxicity
wide shadow
ct members should at least have some interest in feedback outside of management
flint shuttle
if im being honest a ct member that isnt at least somehwat active in the communi...
i disagree, a lot of CT don't necessarily like interacting and shouldn't be forced to, plenty of feedback can be put into forum threads
I liked interacting whilst I was CT, but not everyone does
a lot of people just simply aren't interested in it because they don't actively play the game itself so much
& spent more time working on it
which is obviously harder to relate to as people who aren't on ct & have never been ct have no experience of that
ppl in communities talk because of a common interest, if they don't share that interest, then whats the point
wide shadow
i mean the common interest would be the game itself, would it not?
and id assume people working on the game for no pay probably are interested in it
flint shuttle
if you're doing completely different aspects of it then nah
I dont enjoy talking to classbuilders about classbuilding because i dont do shit to do with it
and have no interest in it
wide shadow
ig
flint shuttle
like, they're working on the game & not playing, they cant tell u about what they're working on
what part of the game do you expect them to talk about?
wide shadow
thats a whole different can of worms
flint shuttle
true
flint shuttle
true
thats one of the main gripes i've had about ct
pushed for that thread & eh it still isnt very good
wide shadow
i mean its probably not worth arguing for at this point lol
salted knows what he wants for the game development and i doubt anything could get him to change his mind about its secrecy
flint shuttle
that thread wouldn't have happened if people hadn't pushed him about it
flint shuttle
damn nice
potent ibex
club penguin became a meme but like
I genuinely played club penguin hardcore
i made a youtube rp video for club penguin eee
long time ago
and I always had a membership
Puffles were the predecessor of wybels
potent ibex
and you can ACTUALLY get puffles irl, plushies
flint shuttle
Used to go by Moshimonster8765, haven't gone by it for a while though
flint shuttle
i never had membership sadly
potent ibex
Ahhhh
elder narwhal
See I never played anything but Moshi monsters and webkinz
I had membership
Was pretty fun
potent ibex
Remember that club? I loved going in there and playing as the stars
elder narwhal
See I got my username legit from my dad making my webkinz account
flint shuttle
i really enjoyed it regardless of my lack of membership
potent ibex
flint shuttle
specifically the super moshi mission things?
potent ibex
LONG LIVE LADY GOO GOO
elder narwhal
I was an illiterate little 5 year old and my dad just kinda made my username the name of our printer
flint shuttle
Lmfao
elder narwhal
And I haven’t used a single other username since
potent ibex
Lady Ga Ga sued them or something, so they had to change the name of the character
lmao
flint shuttle
the best names are made from childhood tbh
i hate having to come up with names, they're better off naturally evolving
potent ibex
my original name was jackie17665 and that isn't even remotely my name
elder narwhal
I actually didn’t find out that like I was name after a printer until like
5/4 years ago
potent ibex
It was the auto create ign on moshi monsters LMAO
flint shuttle
lmfao
potent ibex
and then I used it on everything
elder narwhal
But I enjoy it, I’m surprised how much I enjoy Pho as a name
flint shuttle
I came up with my name when i was registering for animal jam but i loved moshimonsters so i just named myself moshimonster8765