lmao
#guild_community
golden jasper
golden jasper
😳
cloud pier
going to the store anyone wamt some??
potent ibex
golden jasper
very kinky
golden jasper
hi minecraft steve
cloud pier
comedic
deep chasm
twomad is a comedic genius
red monolith
i have tasted the wrath of the mods for a lot less than that
not gonna risk it
just try to move some letters around in the word ragni
cloud pier
deep chasm
https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-shingeki-no-kyojin-attack-on-titan-season...
episode 2 coming out in like 4 hours 20 mins
damn excited to watch it
cloud pier
yessir
split copper
Forgot who i stole this from
warm knoll
i dont get it
plucky cedar
Forgot who i stole this from
Harka made it
knotty sedge
I am not an active guild member so I’m curious what do people think of the 1.20 changes
limber river
they’re good but need some balancing and features to be great
ripe niche
join my guild
ornate forge
will do
ripe niche
ok ty
red monolith
@civic bane Do you have any data on the guild level bonuses and a proper conversion scale from 1.19 level/xp to 1.20?
even incomplete i'd benefit immensely from it when i'm debating against nuking the guild member slots
plucky cedar
From what I have gathered. Its not a formula urby
red monolith
and to verify if i'm even right correct on it
plucky cedar
I mean it is. Except level 2-15
red monolith
doesn't need to be a perfect formula, just some data points on various levels suffices
I want to know if the levels will become so easy that guilds will indeed be able to re-obtain their current slots in a few months of time
but you might notice another problem in that
vocal granite
few months
civic bane
Thread is best I have rn
red monolith
Ill look for it
scenic kindle
Hey uhh any territory that my level 17 guild can aquire? :')
Or maybe anyone wishing to form an alliance? Both are viable options!
red monolith
right now? or for when 1.20 hits?
plucky cedar
I request opinions from hb warrers
Preferably people that were/are in Artemis currently
scenic kindle
right now? or for when 1.20 hits?
How will guilds change after 1.20? Cuz I would have said rn but I'm not sure what this implies
red monolith
thats a big question
plucky cedar
Changelog gives you an idea of it
scenic kindle
Give me a minute to read it
red monolith
to cover the basics: make sure you have wynntils to properly follow territories
it may not be super usefull anymore with 1.20 nearby but get familiar with the current powers
get familiar with the guilds actively participating (again not that useful, but most that are active now will still be active in 1.20)
plucky cedar
If you have someone that has hero and is interested in guilds make them help you
Will AVO be active?
😉
red monolith
gonna take that by storm
plucky cedar
Ohhh
warm knoll
lol
scenic kindle
Ok so I read the changelog and wow there will be so many new things
Tbh today I've started to play minecraft (and by extension, on this server) after 5 years or so of inactivity
scenic kindle
to cover the basics: make sure you have wynntils to properly follow territories
Do I need forge or fabric for this mod?
scenic kindle
And regarding my original question, yes, I'd like territories/alliances after 1.20 :')) (although a territory would be useful now as well)
red monolith
i'd say if your guild is still fresh. don't rush getting on the map
scenic kindle
Oh?
red monolith
focus on growing your guild a bit, building up a core member base, AKA people that stick around that you might eventually pick some chiefs out of
and wait for 1.20 and learn how things work in the new update
not just the new content but how the larger guild community behaves.
theres a lot of politics going on, so getting on the map is a matter of presenting yourself to be a decent ally/friend to established guilds
you could go completely solo, but that usually doesn't end well.
hence why it's important to not rush it and first make sure your guild is healthy as a community
scenic kindle
Wow! Thank you so much for the pro tips!
red monolith
you could do some fun wars in the early stages
scenic kindle
Fun wars?
red monolith
just warring without purpose, though you might upset some of the guilds you attack, most don't care very much unless you're throwing a 100 wars at them daily
i'd explain what "free for all" territories are but all that will change in 1.20
but they are specific territories that most guilds more or less agreed that they belong to nobody
so they can be warred freely without concern
all of silent expanse is free for all
so you won't offend anyone by warring a bit there
scenic kindle
Nice! I didn't realize how complex the relationships between guilds are
red monolith
sky islands isn't a 'ffa' but people sometimes treat it as such 😠
well 2 terrs in it are
but i'm not gonna get too specific
scenic kindle
:))))
red monolith
it's not super complex
but theres some depth
mostly just be aware that for now in 1.19 at least
there's a powersystem in place in the form of a mega-alliance
and you kinda have to play ball with that group to get anywhere
red monolith
yea take your time exploring, maybe asking questions at other experienced people
i'm in the alliance and i barely know myself
i'm sure someone else is dying to copy paste the list from their discord
scenic kindle
Lmao
red monolith
pretty much
almost every guild you'll find on the map atm
is part of it
thats a good start
scenic kindle
=))))
scenic kindle
AVO short for...?
red monolith
Avicia
regal stream
Bird people
scenic kindle
Huh idk if I've seen it but tbh I've spent most of my time today fishing level 1 fish
Cuz I'm way behind with these things
My combat level is 70 btw so ya
Anyways, thanks a lot for the tips! I'll do as suggested
regal stream
I wanna be combat level 70 😔
red monolith
you're gonna want to be lvl 100+ for 1.20 wars
and all your warrers
take your time growing it, find reliable people to promote to chiefs and let them help you manage the guild
thats the best starting goal
red monolith
no 😦 that's just a fairy tale
limber river
we're moving to EVE online
my fuckin favorite game
red monolith
we're off to kick some imperial buttocks
limber river
i feel confident i can clap your entire guild in eve
red monolith
i feel confident that you are probably correct
chrome hull
what terr is mirror caave in
ornate forge
raiders base lower
hollow willow
^ aka RBL
chrome hull
ok thanks
half musk
oh no they know too much
tiny sequoia
is raiders base lower new best xp terr?
half musk
🏃 🏃 🏃
warm knoll
No, dont think any grind spots have stars anymore
autumn belfry
queen radish
???? Question mark
civic bane
mirror cave is best in territory one yes
witnesses isn't feasible for it so mirror cave wahoo
dapper robin
mirror mobs still have stars right?
no
no mobs have stars anymore
mirror cave mobs give 2/3 the xp in hb than they do rn
but the +300% combat xp bonus from the terr will make up for that
although i guess it is technically less guild xp rn cause you can hold the terr and get x3
but considering theyre removing bulb, mirror will def be the best way to get guild xp post 1.20
tribal flax
witness church is a pretty good spot now
fast cave
Hey HERO beta people what's the guild strategist rank like?
or has it not released yet?
civic bloom
Hey HERO beta people what's the guild strategist rank like?
so like take captain, and take chief, mingle and jingle them but baby so no full power
red monolith
strategists's responsibilities are pretty crucial
definitly not some glorified captain rank you want to just hand out
closer to chief than captain for warring guilds
shrewd cove
hollow willow
Guys should I get online to wipe eden?
ripe grail
@hollow willow i say we wipe artemis
hollow willow
Wait, wdym were not in April anymore?
ripe grail
but nobody joins me
hollow willow
Your ign is what I should br doing rn
last hound
Captains can only attack, but not manage territories. All territories inherit the enemy's settings upon receiving it. I don't yet know if it's the current settings or the settings at the time of attacking. Either way, this means that you can trap terrs if a captain attacks without strategists online. It's incredibly stupid
ripe grail
catking do be typin
hollow willow
Cdr?
last hound
Caeruleum Order
hollow willow
Lul they re alive?
last hound
Cdr is the most active guild in all of Wynn
There were more than 4 messages in the Discord last month
hollow willow
Shid we got tricked
ripe grail
@hollow willow he is like in every single guild in existance dont mind him
hollow willow
Joined SandyCheeksVore?
last hound
I've been a lot less active lately due to a lot of different things, so I'm not lurking in them all any more :(
ripe grail
sad
last hound
I'll be more active in a few weeks to a month, though, so I'll be back to stalking everyone
hollow willow
Nice
last hound
I enjoy watching dream talk to himself in phi
hollow willow
Yo fuck #guild_community , lets speak about Québec
Québec is the strongest Empire in the world
ripe grail
I am ANO captain
last hound
Ah, ano, my home guild :)
ripe grail
ye
hollow willow
Like the reason its stuck in Canada is because if we decided to be free (were containing ourselves) we'd annex the world by the force of a single "LAZIGUEZONZINZON"
last hound
I've only been largely useless in ano
ripe grail
I've only been largely useless in ano
i got captain in 1 week
then got my next rankup after 9 months
hollow willow
So the entire world is thinking they're holding the Québec Empire in canada
ripe grail
wht is quebec
hollow willow
wht is quebec
La Belle Province
Le Québec c'est l'Empire le plus puissant du monde!
hollow willow
On est les meilleurs au Hockey, à avoir frette en Tabarnak, à envoyer des cadeaux dans les boite de mail des anglos, pis les meilleurs qui on une histoire centré sur un coffre de char.. ok je prends Laporte
ripe grail
oui
hollow willow
Plus grand exportateur de neige pis d'sacre en tabarnak au monde, calisse
hollow willow
#1 dans la corruption en politique (on a gardé le même gouvernement pendant + de 10 ans!!! Fouille moi pourquoi alors qu'ils étaient poche en calisse)
ripe grail
pasta is tasty indeed
hollow willow
Notre armée c'est la meilleure!! Ils décident même d'entrer en guerre avec la population en Octobre!!
Oh pis Canadiens > Nordique
N'importe qui qui dit le contraire est un Québécois moyen
On a tellement de neige on peut faire des igloos building
Bein voyons dont calisse jpensais que Salted dormait des fois, on dirait que non
ripe grail
@plucky cedar hot
last hound
I think that's a good thing, actually
plucky cedar
I swear to god Salted only listens to 2 people and changes stuff
last hound
It was pretty easy to stall
I stalled a war for 15 minute by accident one time
Imagine if someone was trying
plucky cedar
why stall when he is literally going to change it to have multiple guilds attack the same terr?
last hound
Oh, is that confirmed?
scarlet kayak
its to allow guilds to focus more on hp and defence for their guild tower
the first few buffs are quite low anyway, it starts to be a bigger deal at the 3rd or 4th buff
hollow willow
Will guild towers cosmetics be added?
hollow willow
So theres hope in a future
plucky cedar
Salted the problem rn is that it will make HQs unbeatable
rn you can go with 2 Guardian, 1 healer mage and 1 ignis user and still take like 5 mins to beat a 7ish level tower
scarlet kayak
i do want HQs to be unbeatable
hollow willow
Not even using ArchangeL Kakos smh 😔
ripe grail
I mean being unbeatable helps low lvl guilds
hollow willow
For the walk speed 
plucky cedar
AKA again war 24/7
ripe grail
but i dont see why they would be unbeatable
it gives a hard time for big guilds to war
scarlet kayak
for the system to work guilds need some consistency and "safeness" so its worth the trouble
ripe grail
ye but imagine sub guilds makin hqs everywhere
scarlet kayak
if you can wake up everyday and your 20 territories empire lose its HQ in the middle of the night all the time it aint good
tidal palm
We tested a few HQs and there is a way currently to have an unbeatable HQ like Mag did, but its at the cost of the rest of your territories being weaker
hollow willow
Make ArchangeL immune to guild towers, I say this non biasedly ahah its just a wacky idea that wouldnt benefit me directly
scarlet kayak
you retake territories by warring and bringing them down
a single HQ by itself cant be invincible
hollow willow
Btw Salted ty for taking the time pretty much daily to take input of the playerbase def a great move
tidal palm
^
scarlet kayak
plucky cedar
Btw Salted ty for taking the time pretty much daily to take input of the playerb...
+1
cloud pier
Salted, would taking the few territories around the HQ and cutting the connection between the HQ and the claim weaken the HQ by a lot
tidal palm
It does
plucky cedar
^
scarlet kayak
it would yea
plucky cedar
but at the same time its easy to make an HQ in the middle surrounded by other terrs
cloud pier
So why not target only the territories closest to the core
tidal palm
We beat Mags HQ and it went from 4.9mil at full defenses and supply line to around 2mil and way less atatck
cloud pier
and finish off the rest when you're done
scarlet kayak
you can try but they might be quite hard too
cloud pier
o
ripe grail
are terrs closest to the hq stronger?
cloud pier
the closer the terr is to the HQ the stronger it is?
scarlet kayak
guild towers get stronger if theres territories you own connected to it
ripe grail
i c
scarlet kayak
so stuff in the middle of a big empire will be tougher
red monolith
i did first assume HQ's could not be attacked until connected territories you owned were captured as well.
scarlet kayak
usually you'll prob want to try to attack the edges first
red monolith
or is that the actual case
cloud pier
ah oki makes sense
plucky cedar
Also I believe ores are way too op
scarlet kayak
you can attack HQ anytime but its probably gonna be suicide most of the time
tidal palm
The issue is that we can just take the 4 surrounding territories and then wait around 5-10 minutes to starve the HQ
making larger claims on the map problematic
red monolith
at the moment it feels very powerfull to put your HQ in a risky chokepoint on the map without suffering much drawback for it, besides being more easy to cut off.
ripe grail
also salted i am too lazy to read patch notes
red monolith
we'll have to see how that develops
ripe grail
are consumables
red monolith
jofash docks comes to mind
plucky cedar
Ores give damage. The damage of the HQ is way too high
ripe grail
gonna be lost in wars?
plucky cedar
especially when it can target more than 1 person
scarlet kayak
some areas are better than others so it could def be a good spot for a hq
and ye consumables are consumed
ripe grail
ah rip
cloud pier
Another question, knowing wars won't have their seperate world now what happens if you have 51+ people warring
hollow willow
Do u lose sp and if you play hardcore do you lose if you die?
red monolith
i think wars are capped at 5 players
tidal palm
I think theres a cap on people allowed in a war
red monolith
if i can believe others
scarlet kayak
its capped at 6
red monolith
there it is
cloud pier
😐
plucky cedar
6 crashes the servers
tidal palm
we rarely got 5 in
red monolith
that makes tier 11 towers very interesting
scarlet kayak
but you can war infinite territories at once at least
cloud pier
Oh
red monolith
bless you
plucky cedar
thats how we crashed some servers 2 days ago
scarlet kayak
by warring with 6 peeps?
cloud pier
finally sub guilds are useless UWU
plucky cedar
yea. or it was just the lag from other sources
scarlet kayak
mmh weird
plucky cedar
but we couldnt get 5 people
scarlet kayak
would ya be able to try again
ripe grail
prob combination
tidal palm
we cant confirm it since there was also bombs thrown on the world
plucky cedar
^
red monolith
i'll be taking my time gather more proper info about member slots to judge the changes with this time
plucky cedar
I just really love the multi attack system
red monolith
i had too many "IF" in my last post
hollow willow
Cause one thing that I find odd is rn if u die in a war in hardcore its fine
plucky cedar
you can attack several terrs at once mmm
cloud pier
you can attack several terrs at once mmm
pogggers!
scarlet kayak
yea isnt it cool how it shows on the sidebar
plucky cedar
yea
oh yea yesterday that broke xd
it showed some terrs twice
and for example it broke and showed that I was in a war, showed the health of my guild members and I could hear their spells
cloud pier
kinda dumb question, but does anyone know if wars will still have mob spawn rate time cap
tidal palm
overall the new guild wars were really fun to me though, alot of tactics can be introduced and it feels like an achievement when you end up taking down the HQ
plucky cedar
also. Is there a chance for those health bars to be updated faster?
red monolith
guild wars still need some work and testing, but they are moving in the right direction i believe
credit where credit is due
its moving faster than i thought
tidal palm
Oh we did find some problems with archer and the tower not registering damage from arrows
hollow willow
Is there still a 20 min limit on wars?
scarlet kayak
thats actually on purpose asuns unfortunately
tidal palm
ah I see
scarlet kayak
the tower has a cap as to how fast 1 person can hit it
plucky cedar
isnt this fixed now tho?
scarlet kayak
no its an actual limit we added
plucky cedar
scarlet kayak
thats unrelated
plucky cedar
Oh I thought this was supposed to fix it
cloud pier
the tower has a cap as to how fast 1 person can hit it
so dps builds useless?
hollow willow
Ye ofc, but say u just run around and survive (ofc theres the rule to not stalll wars, but hero beta testing!!!)
scarlet kayak
well no the cap is something like 100ms between each hit
it just mostly affects arrow storm
tidal palm
archer would be a little unbalanced in wars though
hollow willow
Are multi hit and smoke affected by it?
tidal palm
considering it can deal 100k in a few seconds
scarlet kayak
these are too slow to be affected by it
hollow willow
Kk
scarlet kayak
we added that limit because it created some abusable scenarios
war scream became the best spell in the world
plucky cedar
uh oh
tidal palm
finally the warrior buff we needed
hollow willow
Lel
scarlet kayak
if you got right in the tower's face and screamed aiming upward youd deal massive damage
hollow willow
nice revenant buff
plucky cedar
oh yeah random question from a friend. Is Siegfried supposed to be a Fate:Apocrypha reference? lol
he just noticed it
and Im in the wrong channel to ask that
cloud pier
yep
tidal palm
Oh we had some issues with territories giving inconsistent resources causing us to fluctuate on overflow too, we dont know why it was caused but katoa Ranch went from large yields to nothing. I think harganeth knows more about it tho
hollow willow
Its just the winter
tidal palm
uh oh
hollow willow
Yo wait
scarlet kayak
that can happen when you cant feed the territory bonuses
hidden bronze
The territory itself seems to have glitched since it no longer produced emeralds
hollow willow
If Santa snow the desert after that Christmas quest... does that mean less crops??
plucky cedar
Salted have you seen the 9mil bank loss?
scarlet kayak
ye
plucky cedar
do you know what caused it?
scarlet kayak
nope its actually an annoying one
plucky cedar
has it happened more than once?
scarlet kayak
i only got one report iirc
plucky cedar
probably from Franky
tidal palm
it happened to us when we took PUN HQ i believe
plucky cedar
our emeralds are back I think
tidal palm
they are
scarlet kayak
its possible this may have been caused because at one point we had 2 different guild server running in the background
cloud pier
any reasoning on why a territory becomes more expensive to attack if attacked multiple times
hollow willow
Nah, I just needed these emeralds to buy more ArchangeLs
cloud pier
and when does that reset to normal price
scarlet kayak
it doesnt become more expensive the more its attacked
plucky cedar
oh yeah idk if you noticed but only 1 of the 2 Hero servers act as a war server
scarlet kayak
it becomes more expensive the more the guild youre attacking is losing territories fast
plucky cedar
until that server closes/crashes
cloud pier
if the attackers lose a war for a territory, do the defenders get money back or not
scarlet kayak
no
plucky cedar
is emerald gain supposed to fluctuate?
scarlet kayak
it fluctuates if the bonus you put on the territories run out of resources to feed themselves
plucky cedar
hm
scarlet kayak
itll get disabled
plucky cedar
so its a "fixed" value like the other resources
plucky cedar
I see
cloud pier
i assume you don't get a guilds territorial bonuses on taking their territories, right?
scarlet kayak
im not sure actually
plucky cedar
wdym Ivo?
yesterday when you took a terr it would keep the bonuses/defences
if thats what you mean
plucky cedar
broken no
tidal palm
yea you have to manually change it when you take a territory
plucky cedar
annoying yes
scarlet kayak
ye not too hot of a behaviour
cloud pier
Can't small guilds abuse this a ton?
plucky cedar
if you dont have resources
tidal palm
you have to be able to pay for it yourself
cloud pier
Ah that's cool
tidal palm
if you are a huge guild with the ability to its possible but not optimal
cloud pier
I thought you just steal the bonuses from them without having to pay
Forgot u gotta manually pay for ur bonuses my bad
how about not defending at all
what would happen
tidal palm
it would give you alot of resources
but anyone can solo it
you can buff up your HQ to be invincible that way
but you become easy to cut off
cloud pier
makes sense
red monolith
he finally went to sleep
stuck saddle
toxic berry
someone pls explain to me how a guild owning 3 isolated territories can put a "very high" defence on all of them
and maintain it without controlling anything else
actually mightve just set HQ
in that case can we just raise the cost for that to like a stack of le idk
toxic berry
it fluctuates if the bonus you put on the territories run out of resources to fe...
it fluctuates without that too
I monitored our gains for hours
at first we had that exact issue, fixed it by upgrading resource storage in high production terrs
but then I kept taking numbers hours apart and making absolutely sure nothing was modified in between
and while it is perfectly stable, it is not generating any gains either
with everything at 90-95% usage
you'd expect this to slowly fill up the storage for each resource over night
except it doesn't
red monolith
pretty sure beta is sort of bugged right since since HQ's seem to recieve the guilds old guild bank in emeralds
each time you move it
meaning they have infinite emeralds
we had experimented with a 180% emerald consumption just to have a bit of fun and it was easily sustainable
(with infinite emeralds that is)
toxic berry
we have
red monolith
if the resources arent moving predictably then there's gonna be some issues
limber river
bruh why salted only talk at 3am
the issue rn is that if you dont spend like all your resources on your hq, it makes your hq easily beatable, and then if you dont spend it all on hq so its actually unbeatable, then all your terrs are shit defense
for me atleast
red monolith
its a balancing act
the HQ itself buffs the standard defenses immensely so it doesn't strictly need to be super maxed
but HQ still needs to be defended more than any other terr
so do you keep it at tier 7 making it as strong as say standard tier 11 or do you give it more attention
this is something that the admins will definitly have to balance based on smaller guilds who won't have access to 15+ territories
bigger guilds will still do fine in such a balanced system, but the other way around is far less likely
limber river
so do you keep it at tier 7 making it as strong as say standard tier 11 or do yo...
eh thats the thing, it seems like hqs that arent v close to max are easily beatable
and yeah small guilds will really struggle
red monolith
tbh, a tier 10-11 HQ terr
could very well be unbeatable
and it would still be a very balanced system
losing your HQ is catastrophic
especially if you don't have any warrers online to deal with the situation
or worse, strategists to change the upgrades even if you do have a captain online to retake it, now with screwed up bonusses from the prev. guild who owned it
limber river
hqs less than that should be unbeatable too though
because no small guild will every get 10-11 hq
red monolith
if you're not one of the 'big 5' you probably have at least a few hours of deadzone a day where almost nobody is available to respond
if you lose your HQ right at the start of that the rest of your terrs are a sitting duck
so it would actually be pretty fair if a a near maxed HQ terr was literaly impossible to beat as is
also more befitting that the HQ can only fall if the territories around it are destroyed and it is starved out of resources
plucky cedar
Whats the point ot captain even now?
red monolith
to start a war
plucky cedar
AKA only cause troubles
red monolith
but i agree, if you can't update the upgrades of a terr you capture
plucky cedar
Because you dont know the defence of the terr that you will take
ripe niche
GYP ON TOP
limber river
my issue is that a small guild just physically cannot produce enough to make a 10 hq on 7 8 or 9 terrs
ripe niche
hq ?
plucky cedar
And if no strategist is online it means death for the HQ
red monolith
hence why guilds need to be able to set defaults on each territory
plucky cedar
Mhm
ripe niche
what is hq
limber river
headquarters
red monolith
i do agree that salted and his team should focus more on a smaller guilds economy to balance out how hard it is to invest into a strong HQ defense
ripe niche
eh what does that mean in this context
plucky cedar
Headquarters is a thing in wynn
limber river
the whole base of this update is that a small well defended guild should be really powerful
red monolith
imagine you lose a terr in the middle of your claim. in the middle of the night
only 1 captain is online to recapture and he does
but finds out the owner put stupidly high upgrades on everything
and as the system is atm it transfers those upgrades
captain cant change it
guild gets drained by it
thats an issue
plucky cedar
I think it should be a bit of a pyramid
ripe niche
yeah it sounds like the next update is gonna cuck small guilds
red monolith
either a territory transfer should reset the upgrades
ripe niche
such as GYP (GYP ON TOP BTW)
red monolith
or guilds should be able to set defaults on each terr
plucky cedar
HQ is the strongest. Surrounding terrs are hard and it just weakens out as you go further from HQ
red monolith
so they don't have to re-adjust upgrades on their home claims
since whenever they take it, it will be exactly as they want it to be
toxic berry
no if anything having no stake is broken rn
limber river
HQ is the strongest. Surrounding terrs are hard and it just weakens out as you g...
yeah yeah thats really good
but like rn in order to make hq the strongest you dont have anything less to make other terrs hard
toxic berry
imo small guilds should just be taken out of consideration once and for all
dont give them any tools
ripe niche
WHAT
limber river
???
toxic berry
dont let them take a single terr unless they earn it
limber river
lol
ember cloak
lmao
red monolith
salted will have to be very open towards a 1.20.2 a month after release to patch the 50 billion loopholes guilds will have found to exploit by then
toxic berry
you cant have the game be fun for established, strategically operating guilds and random solos
limber river
thank you cath for whatever that was
toxic berry
you can have one of those
red monolith
i will do everything in my power to exploit everything i can find
ember cloak
thank you cath, very cool
toxic berry
ik it sounds bad but watch and see lol
red monolith
ok amazon
limber river
cath we arent talking about artemis guilds vs 1 man solos
ripe niche
it's too easy to take territories right now to be honest but i don't like that it's like 10 guilds controlling everything
red monolith
didn't know jef bezos plays wynn
limber river
we are talking about like the artemis massive guilds vs like my guild, the nether realm, etc
eden
ripe niche
GYP
red monolith
why don't the smaller guilds unionize
limber river
idk about gyp
ripe niche
exactly join the gyp alliance
plucky cedar
Cath has a point
limber river
no one is saying make it easy for rando guild to take stuff
plucky cedar
That new guilds with new players shouldnt be able to destroy a stronger guild just by that
red monolith
i have met several people in some of the smaller but seemingly healthy new guilds
limber river
just saying that a medium sized guild should be able to play the game too
limber river
gyp on top
plucky cedar
Uh oh
red monolith
and every single one wanted to be on the map, every single one i told: play the politicall game
plucky cedar
Best terrs to start at
ripe niche
red monolith
or you won't
toxic berry
there is a big difference between new and small guilds and ppl often confuse the two
toxic berry
new can still be a guild with a lot of endgame members with the necessary dedication to participate
those should obviously be able to
plucky cedar
Actually dont
red monolith
a new guild is almost always small but small doesn't neccesarily mean new
toxic berry
see the issue right now is that as a result of resource balance not giving you enough surplus to actually defend all you need
territory turnover is even higher than in the old system
ripe niche
agreed
ornate furnace
why is it so easy to take territories though
plucky cedar
How can you agree without playing Beta?
ripe niche
GYP ON TOP
plucky cedar
Wot
ripe niche
i cheat mate
plucky cedar
Ok
ornate furnace
a one man guild can take any peice of land, they wont maintain it but
plucky cedar
Nope
red monolith
honestly i do agree on the bottom line: rogue guilds who think they deserve to be on the map should be ignored
plucky cedar
They cant bobby
ornate furnace
well
plucky cedar
Not in 1.20
ripe niche
stop the cap
toxic berry
honestly i do agree on the bottom line: rogue guilds who think they deserve to b...
ye
ripe niche
oh
red monolith
unless they are a complete beast
toxic berry
and reclaiming is actually penalized which makes it even worse
red monolith
like rogue Fox
ornate furnace
whats happening next update?
ripe niche
what's different in 1.20
red monolith
or if they are super dedicated to getting 1 terr
toxic berry
cause of how the system is set up
red monolith
then they can just brute force that 1 terr until people acknowledge it
limber river
honestly i do agree on the bottom line: rogue guilds who think they deserve to b...
yes but if say those rogue guilds got into an alliance of... 5 or 6, strategically took a good spot on the map in a coordinated attack, you should have a chance
red monolith
but a sizable claim?
toxic berry
yes but if say those rogue guilds got into an alliance of... 5 or 6, strategical...
ye obviously
red monolith
then they are not rogue anymore 😅
plucky cedar
Can people not read the changelog?
ripe niche
idk where it is
plucky cedar
Is it hero only?
ripe niche
no need angry
red monolith
they are part of the politicall climate
toxic berry
but the whole issue with the old system was that a single player with a solid build could keep a huge guild occupied for as long as they wanted to
limber river
smh politik
plucky cedar
toxic berry
and that should not happen again
limber river
yeah thats why fixing the problem you brought up before cath, where you cant adequately defend all terrs, kinda solves the infinite soloing
plucky cedar
Mythic demand rises 👀
toxic berry
that's part of the solution but there are other contributing factors
toxic berry
imo there should be a kinda "territorial bias", where owning a territory for 24+h will e.g. reduce fees for attacking it again if someone takes it over
limber river
urby i think my whole guild has like one abso between us
red monolith
maybe if the base system is proper we can look to fine tuning it to create a fun playing field out of it
hollow willow
TNI mythics count be like: everyone: 1-4
red monolith
both giving some benefits to smaller guilds
and maybe some relief to bigger ones like that
hollow willow
me: 4 ArchangeLs, 1 dew, 1 az, 1 gaia, 1 break, 1 rev, 1 borrrreal, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS
limber river
rn no one has really made a thread with these ideas though
hollow willow
your "pricy mythics" are boring smh
red monolith
what i'm curious about is: the cost of attacking a guild with very few territories, is it based upon the literal terr. count difference?
or is it more advanced
because....
i can't be the only one seeing a beautifull cheese strat in that system
limber river
@toxic berry your resource xp and distribution thread kinda got addressed, now you gotta make one about what we talkin bout here
plucky cedar
Thats why I said the guild higher ups that have knowledge about this should discuss all these changes of 1.20
red monolith
yea it's sorta happening on the forums
ripe niche
kakos i couldn't find a changelog on that post
red monolith
but we don't have the full information on how things will pan out on release, making it difficult
also the admins seem to have some misconceptions about guilds
which have to be cleared up as we go, which isn't fun
since disproving something they consider to be true is a lot more annoying than to simply show the facts before they reach their own conclusion
like the deadweight/inactive members
i'm near certain that had a big impact on what they believed to be a good amount of memberslots for 1.20
but i mean they're adapting quickly though, so just gotta use the beta to its full potential
limber river
i mean if they look statistically at ALL guilds, it probably shows a lot of wasted slots
but if they look at actually active ones its probably different
wayyy different
red monolith
thats just either being really shit at statistics
or ONLY being good at statistics and not drawing reasonable conclusions out of it
limber river
ye
eh on forums theres no like solid post on what we talkin about
only comments an stuff
red monolith
tbf, looking at it from face value, the current change to member slots still seems to be below what we currently have
i don't really feel like being appeased by having it "almost" be right when i wanted it to stay the same at least
some threads also appearing in the guilds subsection
the big one on member slots was one of those
limber river
i mean specifically about terr defenses and how resources affect those
red monolith
yea not too much has been said on that yet
mostly because it requires quite a lot of research to form a proper opinion on
also i noticed
tnl only got like 2-3 levels
that's all they went up despite the huge scale-down of the xp curve
toxic berry
<@!173049154933751808> your resource xp and distribution thread kinda got addres...
oh ye Alex and I been working on one
gonna try to address everything
limber river
epic
toxic berry
easy to point out the issues but not too sure about all solutions
cause if you e.g. lower the cost of upgrades then you'd just end up with the old system on steroids where one guild can defend a huge claim
imo the current one works if you just add more oases
which they seem to have done this patch, still gotta check it out
toxic berry
we need someone to sacrifice their time and draw another map lol
plucky cedar
Hehe
Good luck
I would do it if I wasnt pressured by school
Also we need an updated map
The current one doesn't have all the terrs
limber river
makin resources more accessible is good but the base values still mean its hard for you dont adequately defend
i can update the one i made
toxic berry
well the problem is that rn we have a claim bigger than the number it is supposedly balanced for
which we had to do to get all resources covered
toxic berry
in theory ye
but think about it
you have 4 guilds, each produces a huge amount of 1 type of resource
but everyone needs ore and crop to defend
so those two would have a claim 10x larger than the rest just to supply everyone
and then they'd end up with too little to defend theirs and still supply allies
limber river
ye thats another thing, trying to adequately defend hq, territories, and then somehow have some left to upgrade emeralds and traed with other people???
toxic berry
yeah it's already extremely hard to be self-sufficient
there is no space for trade rn
limber river
i really dont wanna go over every territory again lol
self sufficiency is border line impossible and so is trading
toxic berry
the fact that tributes are not accounted for in the overview is just the tip of the iceberg
but that makes it impossible to actually plan with it without outsourcing all calculations to an excel sheet
which yknow is great for efficiency but shouldn't be required
plucky cedar
Trading is impossible in HB*
toxic berry
I mean ofc HB is nothing like main
but I think certain conclusions we can definitely draw
e.g. if territory turnover is bad now
it'll be infinitely worse on main
limber river
also kakos people in hb have way more terrs than they are supposed too and trading is still weird
plucky cedar
400 terrs is a low amount
Add another 600
Shy is supposed to have ±100 terrs in 1.20
(Im joking ofc)
toxic berry
I mean I can try to conduct some tests with 3-4 guilds holding tiny claims and trading w each other
but right now resource income on its own is kinda messed up so not sure how accurate that'll be
limber river
lol im not sure what oases they added
theres like
3 new ones
wynn hasnt changed at all
potent ibex
@red monolith A lot of xp was deleted and not accounted for in Hero Beta
Levels did not play out properly
Also the thing about Wynn is that it is A LOT smaller than Gavel. Gavel is a ton of small, cramped territories where as Wynn has a lot of natural borders and regions are more defined in which typically get owned by individual guilds.
rain glacier
guyld
potent ibex
Wynn might appear to have more resource diversity present and not as far away as say in Gavel
but it is generally more competitive and regions held by individual guilds
rain glacier
just causually talkin about the economy of gavel and wynn....
potent ibex
Guilds in Gavels typically have larger claims because territories there are very small and compact
And there aren't really well defined regions
Its basically a large rectangle of territories
in which guilds just slice into their own boundaries
ripe niche
gyp on top
ember cloak
gyp?
limber river
mans doesnt know the british empir
ember cloak
oh
ember cloak
we stopped caring about those mfers in 1776 😤
ornate furnace
oh damn
ripe niche
ember cloak
GYP ON TOP
ripe niche
GYP ON TOP
ornate furnace
GYP ON TOP
ripe niche
GYP NEVER STOP
ornate forge
GYP ON TOP
ornate furnace
btw its GYP because nothing else was available so we went for gypsies
ripe niche
yeah why tf are so many prefixes taken
ember cloak
bc theres 11000 guilds
ember cloak
yuh
ornate furnace
is the prefix system changing?
ember cloak
ON GOD 😤
limber river
legendary
ornate forge
ye
cloud pier
[EDN] Lev98bug
ornate furnace
oh
ripe niche
lk0g
ornate furnace
thats nice
red monolith
tnl's level has remained unchanged for well over a year
red monolith
so it is a good measure, as their level should have been 75-76 when the beta was set on
ember cloak
lmaooo
ripe niche
are they the current imperial gate lot
ember cloak
on god 😤
limber river
GYP GONNA OWN ALL DA WHOLE MAP
ripe niche
lmao
ember cloak
take corkus city for me plz 😤
ember cloak
lmao
ornate furnace
give us any territory though
we'll take it in a sec after the twain shit
because that looks fun
ember cloak
ayyy bruh
limber river
📣 these mfs ❌ cant 😤 mf 🛑 stop 📢
ember cloak
lol
ornate furnace
LXA you say? (whoever the fuck they are) sure, we'll attack them next
ember cloak
lol
ripe niche
rip ahmsord in 5 mins
ornate forge
troms? 😳
ripe niche
we've had troms before
problem is i keep dying and then it's just mr bobbybazin which is boring and difficult for him
ornate forge
: (
limber river
why you dying
limber river
mk
ornate forge
GYP doing gods work 🙏
ember cloak
for sure
ripe niche
no one can stop bobbybazin
troms was ezclaps
lots of shit tier guilds take it
and so do GYP
ember cloak
and then the lord said, let there be GYP, who will always remain on top 🙏 😤
ripe niche
Frumans 1:1
ember cloak
lmao
ripe herald
gyp > all
limber river
i think 99% of people here have a guild
ornate furnace
it should be harder to take territories imo
limber river
bobby we have been doing this for years
you came at the right time since 1.20 is dropping
ripe niche
ornate furnace
is that update actually gonna make it harder
ripe niche
GYP ON TOP
ornate furnace
and require either skill or good stuff
ember cloak
Corkus city next 😤
ripe niche
bro i don't wanna redo them that's effort
ornate forge
is that update actually gonna make it harder
depends on whether or not they change the current difiiculty
rn wars seems are very easy in hb
ember cloak
understandable
ornate furnace
shut up
ember cloak
Almuj
limber river
lol
ripe niche
say no more
ornate forge
swamp darkforest transition upper
ember cloak
ESI stands no chance 😤
ornate furnace
so since guild release has it basically been annoying pricks like us going around doing this stuff
ornate forge
run before you are gyp's next victim
shut perch
I hearby declare Herb as property of dxi/herbcave
ember cloak
yes
limber river
I hearby declare Herb as property of dxi/herbcave
😤
modest ether
GYP daddy please love me
lofty ivy
gyp pls no
ripe niche
beg
modest ether
begs
lofty ivy
hahha fune yes
ripe niche
@ornate forge good job on hive matey
ornate furnace
if you dont have a guild tho, hop in
ripe niche
fr this shit's lit
lofty ivy
i hab gild
ornate furnace
leave it
modest ether
CAL NO
ripe niche
where's the 'on top'
modest ether
the lord
lofty ivy
o we can join like that?
shut perch
yes
ornate furnace
communist guild
shut perch
we spread the money
lofty ivy
lets go
shut perch
If everyones super, no ones super
lofty ivy
inded
modest ether
yes
limber river
sheepn in ano vc?
ornate furnace
wait what guild is everyone here in? we wont attack you
rain glacier
If everyones super, no ones super
if noones super.. everyone is super
ripe niche
rip twain lake
rain glacier
wait a sec
ember cloak
pain
limber river
uhhh
rain glacier
because because!
ember cloak
alright ANO raid
ripe niche
after this
limber river
ano raid?
ember cloak
ANO RAID
limber river
im too lazy to ping
ripe niche
fr
lofty ivy
im in GYP
ripe niche
you're in gyp in spirit
shut perch
and we are on top
modest ether
I am gyp
limber river
cal and furbowl are part of the oppressive regime that controls wynn map
modest ether
please daddy gyp
limber river
bill me and you and maleduck we are the resistance
ripe niche
like the valk thing
limber river
artemis
shut perch
I am not cal
ripe niche
oh
limber river
every guild on the map lol
modest ether
I am gyp
shut perch
i am lac
limber river
dont listen to them bill
limber river
dont listen to them they are imposters
ornate furnace
right
ripe niche
or is that a sub-alliance
ornate forge
valk is in artemis
ornate furnace
here goes almuj
limber river
valkyrie is sub alliance
ornate forge
valk is just small rando guilds dont worry bout them
limber river
soon tm
limber river
gyp can do it
lofty ivy
the map
modest ether
yes
ornate furnace
is it an alliance
limber river
yes
ornate furnace
alliances are so boring
limber river
on god
ornate furnace
takes out the purpose
ripe niche
on jah
limber river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/782454255759392789/783360507981332550/horde.PNG when we doing it again
