guild_community

[limber river]

eastern wynn stays out of western wynn

[potent ibex]

Wynn is so tiny and the territories are so much bigger

Where as in Gavel

Everything is super compact and small

The problem is

All territories have the same generating standards

Gavel everyone has high territory count because there is just so much and it is easy to carve out a nice aesthetic claim

It doesn’t even look large

Where as in Wynn you take 10 territories and you own an ENTIRE region :/

[toxic berry]

really we just need a much better overview

or an accurate one

cause it can't be that we run out of emeralds when the resource display claims a perfect distribution of 90% on everything

[limber river]

thats happening to you?

i just slap on the upgrades into a spreadsheet and it tells me if we are stable

[lone totem]

quick maths wins the day

[civic bane]

man the more i do them the more wars are just

disappointing at the moment

do / see them done

hope patches improve them ig

[limber river]

why, too easy?

[lone totem]

it's only beta rn, and salted has serious interest in improving them

just calmly present your suggestions and they'll hopefully be fixed

[limber river]

do wars even work?

[civic bane]

way too easy

and just

idk they feel super boring still just like old wars

the only difference being that now its like 30s-1m for your standard war instead of 8.5

but the fact an hq with full lv6 stats can be brute forced with no mythics rn

[limber river]

go tell salted their too easy lol i dont know why they nerfed them so hard

[civic bane]

and one with 8s can be duoed by 2 people with mythics

cool.

[limber river]

for some reason they decided they were too hard and nerfed into oblivion

[civic bane]

i do not get it

[limber river]

are wars actually startin for yall?

[civic bane]

i think we got one a bit ago

[limber river]

thats so trash

lvl 8 defense is like

lotta shit

duo with what

shaman?

[civic bane]

toxo/abso

you know the staff guild that held se

friendly neighborhood jard

ye the hq just got duoed in 2 tries lol

[limber river]

wow

[civic bane]

comedy

[limber river]

wow

thats fucking sad

[civic bane]

lul

[limber river]

an consumables?

[civic bane]

no

[limber river]

incredible

[civic bane]

just standard toxo/abso

im pretty sure the abso was

not even a custom build?

just like standard pre-1.20 toxo/time rift with vaward to make time rift work

and then normal hunted toxo

could be wrong but yep definitely optimized

[dapper robin]

lvl 8 defenses got duoed???

[limber river]

what the fuck man is that

[civic bane]

i will say they did have to play well

[limber river]

yeah but with a third shaman

[civic bane]

the first attempt the abso totem disappeared for a sec cause he fucked up and they instantly died

but man

dumb

[limber river]

thats insane

[dapper robin]

shaman is just too op

[civic bane]

i WILL mention 8 is an assumption however i know it had better stats than our full 6 hq

mind you

[dapper robin]

how many totems did the abso guy have up

[civic bane]

that full 6 one got taken by a guy with bonder and some others

pain in my life

and idk not many i assume

[limber river]

honestly goden that just makes you think how powerful five shamans with consumables could be

[civic bane]

haha

shaman balancing

[dapper robin]

wonder how many shamans you need to take out a fully maxed hq

[civic bane]

ims omegalul rn

the only way you can actually prevent it imo is if you like

force every shot to be a oneshot on any standard build

i.e. damage has to be at least 25k per hit

[limber river]

meh

[civic bane]

but you can get thru it with consumables lol

[limber river]

high def

yeah consumables

what happened with your lvl 6 hq?

every attribute was lvl 6?

how many people did it take to beat it

[civic bane]

idk i just know ibt took it without much issue i think

we took theirs for fun and they did so in return but man

[limber river]

but they just went straight to hq

[civic bane]

i dont think either side struggled at all

ye

i think they took one terr otherwise

[limber river]

not any of the "strategy" you needed

nice

[civic bane]

out of like 40

we didnt take any from ibt either when we did it but i dont think theirs was super well defended in comparison

[potent ibex]

I hate shaman

It heals

The only advantage mage had

Now mage is such a shitty class compared to others

And shaman is too op

[dapper robin]

mage has tp lol

[potent ibex]

All plays into wars

[dapper robin]

mage is my favorite class

[potent ibex]

Used to be mine but

It just does no damage

And shaman has much more fun spells

[dapper robin]

mage does good damage

[civic bane]

the issue with shaman is they put a giant aoe control class in a game thats basically designed around every other class doing high single or small aoe multi target

for example

[potent ibex]

I had a Gaia, it doesn’t get close to a freedom or GMA like I have in my archer

[civic bane]

grind spots exist and are relatively balanced bc high xp gain but you only kill a few at a time generally, except like spin spamming assassin

[dapper robin]

well obv archer does more dmg than mage lol

[civic bane]

meanwhile shaman just covers the entire grind spot

it doesnt fit and is way too overtuned

[potent ibex]

And strati is tanky too while giving good damage

That agil

You don’t need heals

[dapper robin]

i dont think ive ever heard of anyone using strati as a combat weapon lmao

[potent ibex]

Shaman class I literally leveled in a few hours

[civic bane]

will disagree there too

strati is complete trash lmao

it just lets you walk the damage is basically identical to gales

[dapper robin]

strati barely does more dmg than gales

[civic bane]

extremely low for a mythic

[dapper robin]

only rich people use it

for the ws

[civic bane]

i speak from

the experience of having one 😎

[dapper robin]

i borrowed one from a friend

it was the most fun ive ever had on archer tbh

[civic bane]

i worked incredibly hard to get it

[dapper robin]

but its just not a good combat weapon lmao

[potent ibex]

We get it u broke

[civic bane]

i placed a totem in toa for lego

[dapper robin]

wow

he got double strati drop?

[civic bane]

yep

we rolled

[dapper robin]

thats pog

[civic bane]

the exact same ws but mine with better hp and other stats

[dapper robin]

what ws?

[civic bane]

87

[potent ibex]

Shaman is broken

[dapper robin]

thats so nice

shamans a diff playstyle

personally i only really use shaman for wars and bulb

everything else has a better alternative

[potent ibex]

Why would you need to bulb if it is already leveled

[dapper robin]

i wonder why 🤔

[limber river]

lol

g u x p 1 0 0

[dapper robin]

yeap

[potent ibex]

Yeah it’s silly how inflated xp has become

Set territory values would have been the best thing to do when guilds were started

[limber river]

hindsight issss 2020

[toxic berry]

we wrote a whole tool to calculate distribution lol

doesn't matter if they act unpredictably

[limber river]

eh im not a coder but its not too hard, really 30 minutes of just adding numbers together and you are solid

[toxic berry]

bro I can use my eyes to figure out whether I am losing shit

[limber river]

but wynn stats are so bad lmaoo

[toxic berry]

the issue is a perfect distribution

[limber river]

perfect?

[toxic berry]

yes, optimization

some configurations of upgrades will yield u much less than others

the hard part is figuring out which configuration for each terr across n territories will yield the highest return possible

[limber river]

yeah thats another easy spreadsheet

[toxic berry]

no?? lol

[limber river]

whats funny is it seems it doesnt matter since

[red monolith]

warring towers boils down to if you can sustain the consistent damage with enough heals

[limber river]

everyone can be beaten

[red monolith]

if you can you win

if you can't you're in trouble

only a few wildcard factors

[limber river]

idk you just take every combination of resource and emerald upgrades, put them down, and divide

shows efficiency per emerald not bad at all

[toxic berry]

yeah

but then you need to balance that out for n territories

that is only the optimization for 1

[limber river]

what is unfortunate is those horrible uneven numbers

where like we end up with 2.64k left over per hour which is something i dislike

im not bothering with final optimization if it turns out warring is easy as fuck like it is nnow

absurd how easy they apparently are

[toxic berry]

yea

[dapper robin]

hopefully gonna get buffed

lvl 8 defenses should not be duoable

[toxic berry]

wars gotta be patched, otherwise we end up with the same old system but more setup effort

would be cool to see some more special moves for towers

[dapper robin]

agree

[toxic berry]

cause raw dmg is really hard to balance in Wynn

[dapper robin]

although tbf i feel like its less of wars being easy and more of shaman just being too op

which makes wars easy

[toxic berry]

ye maybe some restrictions as well

e.g. only x of each class or only a certain number of mythics idk

[dapper robin]

yea

[toxic berry]

I am by no means a combat expert

[dapper robin]

theres just no reason to use anything but a shaman

except maybe warrior

for guardian

now that hpr has been nerfed so hard

ignis isnt even super useful anymore

[toxic berry]

I wouldn't be opposed to balancing wars separately

like adding some % penalties and buffs depending on meta

[dapper robin]

that would be cool

make shaman healing 1/5

[civic bane]

lament and monster mage are valuable asw

otherwise its just shaman

[dapper robin]

ye

well

trift abso is better than lament mage i would think

just gotta nerf shaman

and i feel like wars will balance themselves out

[civic bane]

well no trift abso is obviously better

more of mage does have viability

assassin doesnt, warrior doesnt, archer doesnt

[dapper robin]

yep

you know

[civic bane]

its only mage/shaman since htey have selfheal

[dapper robin]

just ban trift in wars lol

that would nerf shaman so hard

[indigo obsidian]

my friend is live on twitch his twitch is CLEVERCATMAN

[civic bane]

just get more abso users and it replaces it

ez

[dapper robin]

true

although at least lvl 8 towers wont be duoable then

this new warring system makes it harder for new guilds to exist lol

sad

[toxic berry]

something something more oasis

[red monolith]

tower damage sclaing slows down for some weird reason at like the lvl 7-9

then it normalizes again

[limber river]

easiest way is just to limit classes ngl

[dapper robin]

thats not the most ideal solution imo but

[limber river]

as long as 5 shamans can enter a war i doubt there will be any balance

[dapper robin]

its the best we got

[limber river]

yeah thats why i say easiest

[dapper robin]

yea

that would be

unfortunate for newer guilds though

with people who dont have 10 lvl 100s

[limber river]

whys that

[toxic berry]

I mean maybe impose a penalty depending on class diversity

[dapper robin]

cause newer guilds might only have people with

1 or 2 lvl 100s

[limber river]

thats good too

i mean then maybe they shouldnt war idk

[dapper robin]

lol

[toxic berry]

like just ramp it up rlly hard

2 shaman 20% debuff to both

3 shaman 50% idk

[limber river]

make that shit exponential to the moon

[dapper robin]

that would be cool

[limber river]

i mean if a guild is only able to find 2 level 100s and they are both shaman than its bad luck

[dapper robin]

although i still dont see assassin or archer being useful at all

even if that happens

[civic bane]

i think assassin can be extremely good it just needs carried by a shaman or mage

[limber river]

dps classes

[civic bane]

ye

[toxic berry]

Haise would like to know your location

[civic bane]

it makes sense in theory

but in practice the playerbase wont support it

[limber river]

i mean some classes will always be better than others but there shouldnt be one that is like the only useable one

[civic bane]

pumped to assemble fox war teams of trift abso/dawnbreak cata

it is unstoppable

[dapper robin]

archer and assa are both insane dps classes but

also so glassy

[civic bane]

tomes :D

[dapper robin]

tomes gonna be cool

i havent looked at those much

[civic bane]

and charms mayb

[half musk]

has anyone tested if assassins get hit by tower while vanished

[dapper robin]

tower dmg goes through arrow storm which is

annoying

[limber river]

its a projectile

[civic bane]

prior to this update i absolutely was planning to use div for wars when there was abso too

however,

the thought process HAS changed a little

thank you item team

[dapper robin]

i was also planning on using div

but

div is dead

now

[cloud pier]

god i want a toxo so badly

or an abso

[dapper robin]

idk who thought it was a good idea to give it -def but

[civic bane]

i was holding onto my good one cause like

thought hey

[dapper robin]

it was not a good idea lmao

[civic bane]

maybe itll go back up

no its worse than gma now lol

easily

[dapper robin]

yeaaaa lol

[civic bane]

my bet i think is going to be

[dapper robin]

they just gotta revert div change

[civic bane]

freedom > ignis > spring > strati > gma > div > az

[limber river]

wtf nerfed that hard

[civic bane]

for 1.20

[dapper robin]

go back to the ms/ls nerfs

[civic bane]

its complete trash sheep

[limber river]

dps is gone? or

[dapper robin]

freedoms that good?

[civic bane]

you die on one hit and building to sustain off of super slow ms locks you into etw

[dapper robin]

ive never tried it

nah

its just -70 def

[civic bane]

freedom is completely busted

[dapper robin]

still insane damage but

using archer without agi or def is

not a good idea

[civic bane]

and ye they gave div -70 def and +tiers

[limber river]

-7 0 d e f

[dapper robin]

wait they gave it + tiers?

[civic bane]

to a) make you glassier and b) prevent sustain

ye

[dapper robin]

bruh

[civic bane]

it can have 1-4 tier i believe

[dapper robin]

i didnt know that

wtf

[civic bane]

its super dumb

[red monolith]

yea towers at higher levels are either a complete joke or bordering on impossible , all depending on if you can outheal the damage

[limber river]

so gave you a glass cannon without the cannon

[dapper robin]

getting rid of def also

[red monolith]

just got nuked by a tower not even that high level, we just lacked healing

[dapper robin]

gets rid of most -tier items doesnt it

[civic bane]

there are TWO likely viable ways to counter div -tier now

shaggy boots and

surprise

atlas

[dapper robin]

lol

idk why they nerfed divzer so hard

[civic bane]

you can play other styles outside of etw but its dumb

[dapper robin]

everyone ik likes spring better lol

[civic bane]

someone on the item team just hates it

[dapper robin]

and spring got buffed

so 🤷

[limber river]

free my boy divzer he aint do shit

[civic bane]

i love how like

a few betas ago they gave div this exact nerf but without the +tier

it had like -70 def and was the same

it got reverted because it was too much and everyone hated it

so now they just did it again but with +tier to make it even worse 🙂

[dapper robin]

i just want them to

revert div and dhydro nerfs

then ill be happy

[civic bane]

dhydro deserved some nerf but it is too hard imo

it gave like +12 int?

[dapper robin]

ye

well

[civic bane]

just make it 6-8

[dapper robin]

theres a diff between

nerfing an item and killing it

[civic bane]

ye

[dapper robin]

they didnt nerf div and dhydro

they killed them both

[civic bane]

item team is REALLY bad at nerfing things lmao

they tend to just

forcefully remove items from meta

it is comical,

[dapper robin]

lmao

[toxic berry]

I think it'd be kinda cool to have guild "meta patches" depending on the state of items

[limber river]

meta ? no, nonexistant

[toxic berry]

like have a menu similar to raids

but instead of total levels

it's build limitations for a war team

[limber river]

sounds like a mess ngl

i cant imagine how they would balance it

[cloud pier]

strange idea

[limber river]

even though its good :c

[toxic berry]

I mean not like extreme restrictions

[visual haven]

I like the extra raw ;-;

[toxic berry]

but like debuffs for 3 ppl using the same class

and idk mythic caps?

[bold fable]

Just nerf abso lmao

[civic bane]

ggyuys i think itd be funny if we made wars require 4 people but have a combat level cap of 320 😊

what do you guys think :D

[limber river]

geyesyyyesys

[toxic berry]

+1

320 seems high idk try 200

[civic bane]

petrhaps,

[red monolith]

to me the issue seems to be that the tower is extremely consistent in damage and there's not that much you can do to dodge

[cloud pier]

50 lvl 40 lets go

[red monolith]

you are forced into a turtle war with abo's cuz that's the most reliable way to beat it, provided you have enough heals

[dapper robin]

ok but youre d3keract

your opinion doesnt matter :)

[visual haven]

toxic

[dapper robin]

smh

before someone gets mad at me

(im joking)

[visual haven]

no he's not

[dapper robin]

toxic

[visual haven]

newracket's a bully >:(

[dapper robin]

time to give you a light more user role in avo :D

[visual haven]

no

pls

[dapper robin]

thats a cool idea

[visual haven]

I'm sorry

[dapper robin]

would make using 15 shamans unviable

you should make a thread about it

[bold fable]

you just need 2 shamans

[limber river]

yeah why 15 when 2 do trick

[bold fable]

And really you only need 1 shaman a trift abso shaman with someone else there for more dps will likely crush any defense

[cloud pier]

😐

[dapper robin]

wat

[cloud pier]

idk its really overkill

class restrictions

[limber river]

nah

[dapper robin]

i dont think so

something has to be done

[bold fable]

It doesnt fix the problem

[dapper robin]

to counter just everyone using abso trift shaman

[toxic berry]

could also tweak individual abilities in wars by a tiny bit

[dapper robin]

theres just

no reason to use anything but shaman

atm

that would give a reason to use something other than shaman

[bold fable]

You probably still cant win a high level war without a trift shaman healing

[limber river]

thats valid

shaman is good

but there should be somethinforcing you to include other classes

if there isnt, no one will

[dapper robin]

well you cant win a high level war

without shaman or mage p much

and why would you use mage and other things

[bold fable]

yeah and maybe they should change that

[dapper robin]

cause that actually requires skill

when you could just sit with abso shaman

theres just no reason not to

[limber river]

and salted said that the tower getting stronger over time will encourage dps classes

shaman is a dps class lol

[toxic berry]

can fix turtle strats with tower spells

something that separates ppl or just deals AoE at each player's position

so that standing together will cause a lot more dmg

[dapper robin]

the one main thing i dont like about new wars is that

its just outhealing the tower now

basically no skill required

just gotta outheal the tower

[limber river]

idk how else they would do it

[dapper robin]

i think they should like

maybe add stuff around the arena to hide behind

so you can avoid the dmg

atm theres no way to avoid tower dmg

[toxic berry]

I do think they can make it work though

like not ideal rn but it's not unfixable

[bold fable]

I don't think so

Combat needs a rework in general

Like ur always gonna end up in this situation

it was just not designed to be that complicated

[dapper robin]

well no

if you like look at li

[toxic berry]

I mean yea Wynn combat is inherently out of balance but since IMs are never gonna balance for guild wars

[dapper robin]

the li bosses arent just outhealing

[toxic berry]

our best bet is trying to patch guild specific metrics

[dapper robin]

idk how feasible it is to add something like that to towers but

it would be cool

[toxic berry]

ye could add temporary barriers or smthing

that take like 2-3 hits

before breaking

[bold fable]

I thought that the guild wars were gonna be like raid bosses

[dapper robin]

thats a cool idea

i just think there should be something

[bold fable]

Yever play destiny? Ya gotta like do specific objectives during the boss fight to hit it and stuff

[dapper robin]

cause atm its practically impossible to win a war

without a mage or shaman

which i dont really like

[limber river]

mehh thats kinda mmos though, healers are always good

and the default tower can be beaten by warrior x)

[dapper robin]

default tower is easy lol

and i dont think thtas really wynns style

if you look at li/eo

those are easy without healers

i havent tried any of the new 1.20 content like raids or the new boss altar but

so far

wars seems to be the only thing that requires healers

[limber river]

i mean without the dps then any class can solo with enough skill

some with less than others but its still the same boring shit

i think they are trying to encourage people to gather groups for guild wars but seem to have taken it to far, to only encourage shaman

[dapper robin]

well ye "with skill"

thats the part i want

cause for example like eo

its obv easier with a mage to heal you

but you dont need it

[limber river]

but imo you shouldnt be able to solo wars

since that just ends up with the same grindfest today

[dapper robin]

well not even solo imo

just like

even duo or trio

[bold fable]

It kind of circumvents the gathering and creating strong defenses aspect of the update if it would require skill like you say

[dapper robin]

its pretty hard without a healing class

obv the higher lvl towers should require healing classes

[toxic berry]

I mean I do like the need for support classes

[dapper robin]

but like lvl 1/2 def ones

shouldnt imo

[bold fable]

then it could be possible to beat a high defense if you had enough skill

[toxic berry]

but shaman is pretty op

[limber river]

all this is pretty much beating around the bush

[dapper robin]

shaman is op agre

[limber river]

where shaman is not a support class

it is the best of dps and support mixed

[bold fable]

Shaman is everything

Its a tank healer and dps lol

[limber river]

and its so hard to balance wars when they require both dps and high tank which shaman easily provides

making wars harder ( in terms of dps ) cuts out any chance other classes might have

[dapper robin]

ye

[limber river]

they gotta add more gimmicks, or a restriction or some shit

[bold fable]

Yeah a Shaman nerf would be really beneficial to the balance

[dapper robin]

i really like the debuffing multiple classes idea

[limber river]

a shaman nerf is much harder to put through though

[bold fable]

That is also true

[limber river]

much easier to try to get war features against shaman than balance the problem lol

[bold fable]

I think that's unlikely though

They could do something like give shaman a healing cap for wars or make trift not spawn another totem in wars

And then have a class cap for shaman in wars

which would fix the issue but it's not very consistent with the general game design

[limber river]

class cap kinda is in term of raid level cap

its a bit off but

its needed

[bold fable]

Well if class cap is introduced without any of the other things put in place then only one build will be viable with shaman in wars and that build will still make the contents difficulty negligible

Abso trift

[plucky cedar]

Can we help BNU?

They cant test stuff in HB due to their old owner not being a hero

[limber river]

lol

[plucky cedar]

Because it keeps data from 39 centuries ago

And no one is saying anything in #💎hero_beta

[bold fable]

i dont know if anybody could change owners for them except the admins and well you can probably guess how thats gonna go

[plucky cedar]

Yeah...

But its dumb

You buy hero to test guilds in hb

And you cant due that

[dapper robin]

just nerf abso smh

abso is kinda op

like one of the best dmging reliks in the game, gives 5 mr and like 5k hp, max water dmg

allows you to play spell spam on a fire based build

and item team is out here killing divzer while letting that sit

👏

[plucky cedar]

I said it like months ago

Absol WILL rise in price

[dapper robin]

i regret investing in divzer instead of abso

[final token]

Ha

Lozer

[dapper robin]

smh

its ok

ill just be that 1 poor guy sitting there with guardian

while the rest of my guild hard carries me with their 15 absos

[red monolith]

i don't have anything usefull smh

im screwed

[regal stream]

Hi screwed

[plucky cedar]

I have my handy dandy dawnbreak

[civic bane]

ye fox cant change guild owner stuff in hb either

cannto believe ari is poor

[half musk]

@foggy plover I'm actually glad you forced me to buy your abso now

i would be so useless without it

[dapper robin]

smh

its ok math has 3 absos

[plucky cedar]

Goden at least you have the same owner

[dapper robin]

i can use one right math :)

[plucky cedar]

We had to dm JJ to come online

Otherwise Shy wouldnt exist rn in HB

[dapper robin]

oof

they copied data from may

lol

[plucky cedar]

Yea :/

[dapper robin]

idk how they did that but

🤷

[plucky cedar]

Impossible made possible

Only in Wynn

[fleet blaze]

@dapper robin im starting to play this game, and im wondering how do i get as good as someone like you

[plucky cedar]

Eat apples

👍

[fleet blaze]

😮

[dapper robin]

wat

idk what youre talking about

im bad

@foggy plover can confirm

[fleet blaze]

my friends told me u maxed out like 30 classes

and someone bought u hero rank for carrying them

[dapper robin]

thats cap

[half musk]

you just have to join a guild

[dapper robin]

ok the 2nd one isnt cap

[half musk]

and then they'll carry u

[dapper robin]

the 1st one is cap

[half musk]

yeah 💔

[dapper robin]

i wish i could get 30 lvl 100s

that would be op

[potent ibex]

A lot of xp got deleted in hero beta

Some guilds went up in level

Based on past standing ofcs

[half musk]

we went back to 77 😃

[potent ibex]

Well

It’s prob based off where you were in May

So in May with the xp needs, you would be around level 77

[dapper robin]

we were lvl 73

[potent ibex]

But xp could have ALSO been lost

[dapper robin]

when they copied guild data

xp was almost definitely lost

[half musk]

interesting

[dapper robin]

i was far too lazy to do the maths but

[potent ibex]

Wait aren’t y’all level 81?

[dapper robin]

im p sure xp was lost

well

now yes

[potent ibex]

It hasn’t even been that long. .

[dapper robin]

yes

just get good

ez

[potent ibex]

It’s typically taken a good chunk of time to get from that range to level 81

[half musk]

bulb moment lol

[limber river]

anyone have a basic trift abso build

[potent ibex]

It isn’t “get good” its Wynn fix your game and fix xp inflation. Leveling has only gotten easier and easier, which overtime eats away at the work of guilds in the past. Territories should have been set amounts to begin with

Rather than based on content and player activity

[limber river]

ice yyour kinda being a broken record on territories have been set amounts

ranting here doesnt achieve anything

[potent ibex]

There are already forums post

Glowbulb was dumb and that got changed

Just took Cath posting a thread

[half musk]

I mean yeah everyone here agrees with that

[potent ibex]

Glowbulb quickly invalidated years of effort from veteran guilds

[limber river]

not much to do about it now

[potent ibex]

But tbh glowbulb was only extreme, inflation of xp has always been a thing

And it only goes up

Which also invalidates work

[dapper robin]

i swear ive heard this rant like

30+ times

[limber river]

ikr lmaooo

[potent ibex]

Hitting 1 billion xp in a day used to be like a super rare feat, and huge accomplishment, and that was only done in Federation really where inflation was already in effect

Now any guild easily does that

The leaderboard is not consistent because xp has never been consistent. If it had been set xp values everything would be consistent.

It would be a measure of time and effort

[limber river]

oh my god you said that TWO MINUTES AGo

[dapper robin]

LOL

[potent ibex]

And I shall keep saying it 😌

[civic bane]

😌

[potent ibex]

I mean they literally let a guild own the entire map for over a year with their glitchy system

There was apparently nothing wrong with that

[limber river]

banning alt warring invalidated haxs work

[civic bane]

now its legal!

kinda

i despise guild moderation

[half musk]

wait idk what's happening with alt warring i didn't hear anything about it

[civic bane]

its
-legal to war on alts apparently so long as its not concurrent
-legal to snipe on alts regardless of the former

according to mods apparently

meanwhile both of those have been illegal for years previously

[dapper robin]

👏

[half musk]

🏃

[final token]

🤔

[lost tangle]

🦀

[foggy plover]

@fleet blaze wait who told u newracket is good?

Hes not at all

@dapper robin can confirm that

[cloud pier]

im back whatd i miss?

[foggy plover]

Uhhh

Banned for stalling?

[ripe grail]

@foggy plover stay tru to ur name and tell us how many hours and days that number is

itsbnot stallin its prob bugged

[cloud pier]

^

[ripe grail]

if u look at the chat u can see they just finished a war

[cloud pier]

war lasted 2 seconds

it just glitched and we all froze

[foggy plover]

7443 days and something

Too lazy

[ripe grail]

how many years that is

[foggy plover]

20.4 about

[cloud pier]

20

[ripe grail]

@cloud pier congrats if u had left money in the bank u will now be rich from the interest

u should be proud

[cloud pier]

@foggy plover YOU BUFFOON

[civic bane]

imbecile.

[cloud pier]

its literally 50 years

change ur name immediately

[foggy plover]

?

o yea it is

i wrote the wrong number

[civic bane]

cant believe you didnt do it mentally

[foggy plover]

its friday night

im done doing thinking

[civic bane]

its a good day to

[cloud pier]

dude

[civic bane]

do finals :D

[cloud pier]

shame on you

MATHkid22

[civic bane]

shame

[half musk]

@foggy plover

@heavy raid

come war

pls

[foggy plover]

no

[half musk]

all the terrs got reset

pls wipe the whole map with me

[foggy plover]

o u mean hero beta

then ofc not wtf

that doesnt matter

[half musk]

ihy

[foggy plover]

ur literally my alt

[half musk]

??????

[foggy plover]

plus my hands are too cold

[half musk]

brug

just warm them up

[flint shuttle]

breathe on your hands

ez

[civic bane]

i just

reach down

stick my hand on my router

that could have gone a different way i realize from the way i was typing but my router is on a shelf on the floor i assure you all

[ripe grail]

i like to reach down and stick my hand

on my burnin pc too

[civic bane]

yeah

[half musk]

sus

[hazy field]

did someone say wipe avo

[tired mantle]

joice

oep

[sage granite]

did someone say wipe avo

[lost tangle]

🧻

🤔

🦃

🍟

[earnest crypt]

wipe avo?

[deep chasm]

wipe my bunghole

[hollow willow]

Bazinga!

[ripe grail]

i vote we wipe artemis

[gritty inlet]

will happen anyways tbh

[hollow willow]

Mine

Craft

Game

Ing

[hidden bronze]

you are mine

[toxic berry]

can we have a QA with guild devs 🥺

[plucky cedar]

Quality Assurance or QnA?

[toxic berry]

Q&A

[plucky cedar]

I would love that actually

[plucky cedar]

Yeah the main problem rn with the current wars are (for me at least) that someone can just attack your HQ

[toxic berry]

I mean even if that is fixed

[plucky cedar]

I believe that they should add a system where each one of your terrs needs to go down to be able to take your HQ

[toxic berry]

there is no constellation that will let u defend all your territories appropriately while being self-sufficient

[plucky cedar]

Wait i need to brb sorry

[toxic berry]

dw

my point really just is that with the current numbers it's the old system with extra steps

which might arguably be more tedious cause you can lose non-def territories even faster and it will not let u defend all of em sufficiently anyway

[hidden bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724728429378797678/787393452367282256/unknown.png

[shut perch]

stonks

[flint shuttle]

Shy popping off

;)

[hidden bronze]

those figures are normal after you take a hq

[flint shuttle]

doesnt change the fact shy is popping off

[plucky cedar]

@toxic berry is it time for a Cath thread?

They need to explain us some stuff

[toxic berry]

already got one of em e

[plucky cedar]

HAHAH

[toxic berry]

might write another but gonna gather some more info first

[plucky cedar]

People never change

Shy is down to help ya if you want

[toxic berry]

as long as ppl don't touch our claim so I can get stats

[plucky cedar]

We pretty much tested everything that is possible

@manic sage dont touch Imp claims for a bit uwu

[manic sage]

We were just vibbin on HQs sorry :p

Altho if you have any info you wanna share cath

feel free

[plucky cedar]

I think its the opposite Franky

XD

[manic sage]

Uh?

[toxic berry]

I mean it's rlly just

we set up a distribution and wanna see if it fucks itself up lol

cause it should not

[plucky cedar]

I think Shy has the most knowledge than any other guild rn

Not to sound selfish or anything

[manic sage]

Well we just fucked our own guild by defeating an HQ

somehow

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/lost-all-our-guild-bank.278963/

[plucky cedar]

Lol

[manic sage]

here if you wanna read it

[toxic berry]

I mean

[plucky cedar]

Hi

[toxic berry]

as far as wars go probably

we've just been doing distribution shit

[plucky cedar]

Yeah I can see that dw

[manic sage]

Shy is just going unga bunga on every HQ we can find

[toxic berry]

works ig

[plucky cedar]

Haha

Thats why I said that a problem is that

[manic sage]

its not a good strat but its fun

[plucky cedar]

You take down hq you lose everything

I mean Franky

Its a good strat lol

Take down hq, defences fall

[toxic berry]

oddly enough not rlly

it gives u back millions when reclaiming it which is probably a bug but

checks out

[manic sage]

Imp didnt lose emeralds when we took down their stuff

[toxic berry]

ye LOL

[manic sage]

Shy lost 9million from attacking PUN hq

And winning

So that makes sense

[toxic berry]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[plucky cedar]

Haha

Yeah I think its a bug cath

Because you need an HQ to get resources

No resources means no upgrades

Instead of my suggestion they can make something different instead

Called removing the wavy border of HQs in Advancements tab

[flint shuttle]

wars go brrrrrr

[plucky cedar]

Brr

[flint shuttle]

guilds rn seem broken

to say the least

[manic sage]

Moshi

Did i do the post right this time

[flint shuttle]

idk

show mre

me

the most i've heard of a guild terr costing to attack was 8LE on GM

& 9 million emeralds is way more than 8le

[red monolith]

i have gone up to 9 le

[manic sage]

Its like on hero beta threads thing

[plucky cedar]

8le is way too low

I have seen 40k ish as well

±40k i dont remember exact number

[flint shuttle]

yeah well the whitelist of GM is probably smaller than fox's current playerbase

so i mean, its not many people duking it out

[plucky cedar]

@manic sage where?

What

[manic sage]

Listen man i dont do forums

It's there somewhere

[plucky cedar]

Xd

[paper sequoia]

someone guild recluit? im lvl 84 but im leveling and im looking to do sand corrupted to lvl up more fast

[shut perch]

@paper sequoia https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/read-before-applying-to-a-guild-all-currently-recruiting-guilds-megalist.278112/

That’s p useful

For finding a guild that’ll recruit

[vocal granite]

i mean ill snag ya @paper sequoia

im the leader of ReA, also known as Renegade

[red monolith]

im the leader of AVO

don't tell anyone

[hollow willow]

@red monolith I think @red monolith is leading the guild that @red monolith is currently in charge of, which is AVO, this would ofcourse means that @red monolith is currently at the place that @red monolith normally occupies

[wise drum]

a

[red monolith]

Finally

[regal stream]

Do it you won’t

[novel crystal]

lol

[sage granite]

those dang birbs

[boreal yoke]

Wiping Esi tommorow 4pm est! Come join!

[odd tiger]

Hey

That’s my guild

[ebon plover]

Is there any guild here for newish players...?

[odd tiger]

Yeah totally

[shrewd cove]

go to forums

[odd tiger]

Bov is meant for all players new and old

That too

[shrewd cove]

@ebon plover https://forums.wynncraft.com/forums/guilds.72/

[ebon plover]

Oh ok I started a little bit ago and kinda wanted a guild to join! Thanks!

[odd tiger]

(Look for Bov)

[shrewd cove]

i just want some1 to freaking pin
https://forums.wynncraft.com/forums/guilds.72/
in here so guilds stop using it as an advertising platform

[ebon plover]

There is like 87 pages how do I find bov? O-O

To pin?

[odd tiger]

I’ll dm u our link

[ebon plover]

Oh ok

[plucky cedar]

@ebon plover https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/278112/

This is better

[rain glacier]

politicos

[plucky cedar]

Ok

[potent ibex]

So I'm still playing around

with the new wars

Mostly started out today, besides some action the other day of course but I was mainly following

So I was wondering if there could be an addition to defense where you could set a base standard across your territories

It is somewhat tedious having to go through every territory.

Yes, technically in the current system you set defenses manually on EVERY territory

The difference is that once you place a defense, it is done and set. With this new feature, defenses can be shifted and honestly need to be shifted quite often depending on the war climate.

[plucky cedar]

@potent ibex if I understood correctly. You are suggesting that each time you take a terr the current upgrades should change to your standards?

Thats a cool idea ngl

[potent ibex]

Well

That would be useful

but I am thinking more along the lines of a base standard

Just a base in tune with what your guild has and what you want your defense to be across your territories

Of course some territories will require different defenses depending on the needs of your guild

or bonuses, ect.

However, a base standard would be very useful so that territories are automatically at some standard you choose unless otherwise upgraded

OR

Potentially make it so you can have these configurations you can just apply to territories that you create rather then clicking tons of buttons all the time

However, that said, I have no idea how any of this functions and how much effort or essentially how feasible all this is

What I do know is that with the new dynamic of wars, and with defenses being able to be modified actively, features along these lines would be very useful

[civic bane]

just make a present tower def you can create so whenever you take a territory the tower will be defended with those present attributes automatically

[potent ibex]

^

[civic bane]

don't present the bonuses tho imo

[potent ibex]

Yeah, I'm more targeted towards defenses

[civic bane]

those change too much from territory to territory

[potent ibex]

Some bonuses are only relevant on certain territories

A base standard that can be set by each individual guild across their territories would be very nice, or custom configurations you can just quickly apply to a territory.

I'm thinking this through, and one thing I realized was forced feeding and the fact a guild can just without consent feed territories to another guild.

There are MANY alternatives and ways to go about this. Currently, there is a menu of maps that represents territories and you click on one to change its bonuses and defenses. Would it be possible to make it so you can select a list of territories you want to modify? And then change them all at once.

Or going back towards the original proposal, having a set standard that you manually can apply that goes into effect on all your territories, anything below would be upgraded to the standard but anything above could remain the same?

Or as Goden expanded on, custom configurations you could quickly apply upon capturing a territory.

Right now, this is not ideal for large claims and is problematic. Guilds will be needing to shift defenses/bonuses across their territories depending on the political climate.

Currently you have to manually do everything for each territory

[plucky cedar]

group terrs together

thats another good option

[near sinew]

lmao imagine not being in ILQ

[potent ibex]

The hardest wars there have ever been: ||when they flat out just didn't work LMAO||

nah but fr tho

The hardest is when they added elite mobs

AA alliance wiped Federation in the middle of the night with that update

new mobs had been introduced

and it was SO difficult taking it back

[toxic berry]

That was hilarious

[potent ibex]

Our builds were not equipped for those mobs

[toxic berry]

You just flew around cause 60 mobs had pull/push

[potent ibex]

lmao

We were told this update would help guilds not need 24/7 war efforts anymore

one territory gets taken and within 10 minutes your entire economy melts down

😭

A guild seriously swept through like maybe over half of wynn province with ease just overnight

[toxic berry]

I mean on the bright side

at least this system is fixable mechanics wise

just needs a lot of tweaks

[potent ibex]

you can't even do that under the current dynamic of wars - assuming everyone defends 1k mobs which they do

I mean, subs excluded

[toxic berry]

and ye since easy wars are even quicker it's either hard def or nothing

but that is not feasible whatsoever

Imp has 10 territories with slight defences that most ppl with mythics can duo

and our distribution cannot take anything more

[potent ibex]

I like this new layout of wars 100% it just needs some tweaks, but thats what we here for and why we testing it out.

[toxic berry]

aye

[potent ibex]

Up until this point everything about this update has been conceptual, now its actually in practice to some extent

Problems are and definitely will continue to arise

But I have hope

[toxic berry]

dude before everything

we rlly need some QOL features

[potent ibex]

oo

[toxic berry]

categories, individual summaries, more statistics, search and sort etc

it is near impossible to manage an empire rn

[potent ibex]

I mean yeah its difficult

[toxic berry]

oh and pre-sets

[potent ibex]

like its not even really that viable to be able to properly defend your territories

Even HQs are just getting one shot

[toxic berry]

ye wars need some restrictions

[potent ibex]

but they have expressed interest in making it harder

[toxic berry]

more tower attacks, penalties for same class etc

[potent ibex]

Well keep in mind also that Hero Beta is a playground, so people don't mind paying out of pocket, ect.

Right now people are just attacking wherever they want freely.

[deep chasm]

i mean

hero beta

the value of LE is like

non stonks

so people just throw LE at wars

[toxic berry]

yea we also duped a stupid amount otherwise we'd be broke

[deep chasm]

yep

the guild Eden heroes created with Sheepn has thrown like

20stx already into warring

but then again, most of it went to waste because wars didn't work at one point

so you had to war multiple times to get 1 terr

:D

[toxic berry]

ye they are pretty consistent now at least

[potent ibex]

desert still lowkey be broken af

some terrs don't even produce things

its a bit buggy

[toxic berry]

some terrs also give double lul

[deep chasm]

i bet you ESI will still want it

[potent ibex]

is that not intentional?

[deep chasm]

no

[potent ibex]

oop

[toxic berry]

I mean I hope it is but it's an interesting contrast

[shrewd cove]

what's an ESI

[potent ibex]

I thought they made some territories double to incentivize them

[toxic berry]

yea

[deep chasm]

idk sum trash guild

[potent ibex]

SMH

[toxic berry]

ESI is bae no trashtalk

[deep chasm]

get politik'd

[potent ibex]

ESI is my babe

[shrewd cove]

sounds like weebtown

[deep chasm]

you just got guild politik'd

ESI is stinky doo doo

get debated

[golden jasper]

i saw that 😡

[potent ibex]

I love how they called ESI trash and you said no "trash" talk

[deep chasm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/588777654786850827/786844446200168458/go_away.gif

ESI guild members ^^^

[potent ibex]

🙄

[cloud pier]

edn members ^^

[deep chasm]

omg

spell our name right

[golden jasper]

lmao

[deep chasm]

smh

[potent ibex]

BLA and TNI/TNA are cool guilds

[cloud pier]

fingers go fast

[golden jasper]

smh end members

[deep chasm]

we will edn you

[cloud pier]

BRO u cant demote me 😐

[deep chasm]

i will get consul once again

then the power will be mine

[potent ibex]

anyways

its past 3 am

and for u EST folks i already know u stayed up all night

[deep chasm]

lmao

7pm here

asia gang!

[golden jasper]

2 pm here

[cloud pier]

1

[golden jasper]

didnt even eat lunch yet haha

[potent ibex]

I've been looking for guild bugs 😄

but its bedtime now

[toxic berry]

o/

[deep chasm]

bye

o/