guild_community

[lost tangle]

and this

[potent ibex]

And guild xp only comes from guild contribute now

So only they would have that multiplier

And basically every other territory is shit for grinding guild xp

Glowbulb and mirror cave were always the popular ones

[lost tangle]

but like, lvl reqs are like 10 times lower

and no bulb

so mirror will be the best

[potent ibex]

This is why territories need to produce xp

[lost tangle]

and with the mob xp bonues whoever holds can get as much xp in mirror than b4

so its basically 10 times better

[shut perch]

Eye cathedral party

[limber river]

@potent ibex https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/suggestion-for-guild-territories.278766/

[hollow willow]

witness church reEeeeEe

[shut perch]

eye cathedral

sug pp

[hollow willow]

u is suck pp and pop

[red monolith]

"oh who suggested that"

[keen scarab]

epciciic

[potent ibex]

Ima wait for a certain someone to make their thread post 😏

[keen scarab]

@potent ibex screw exp

[potent ibex]

Who are you

And why was I tagged

[keen scarab]

what's your argument

that terrs should generate exp

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/suggestion-for-guild-territories.278766/ this is great

[potent ibex]

50k would mean roughly 1 million xp from that entire day

[keen scarab]

how about have it scale by guild lvl?

[potent ibex]

So that would mean the entire map produces roughly 400 million altogether. Current map gain on average is 10-11 billion

No, leveling should never be based on level

It has to be a consistent measure

It isn’t suppose to be infinitely easy to level

It gets harder as you progress

I think xp should definitey be set amounts

There should be a base, yes

But territories have to be better than others to incentivize competition

And that could potentially be based on territory values now, as in the current outlook of what’s great and what’s not great, that we have grown accustomed to

Xp has never been based purely on level, but rather content. It would be very silly if xp gain was based on the level of the area

Territories need to generate xp, it loses purpose otherwise. That has ALWAYS been the competitive factor

[limber river]

i thought this was a meme channel

and remember calling ct stupid doesn’t do shit lol

[regal stream]

Hey ct
||You’re stinky||

||pleas no ban||

[limber river]

exact

[toxic berry]

imo

[limber river]

lotta complain but no new solutions i’ve

[toxic berry]

all territories should provide a slow but constant and equal xp income

[limber river]

ice*

[toxic berry]

treat it as just another resource, e.g. allow upgrades etc

so if u wanna actually earn a solid amount

grinding will still be the fastest

[limber river]

ye cath new racket made a post on it that is good

[toxic berry]

I saw

few changes but it's an oki idea

[limber river]

i think it’s the best to appease both sides

[toxic berry]

there should be 2 extremes, really

a) you war 24/7 and expand as much as possible, requiring constant defending but yielding u a high xp income

b) you stick to low territory count but upgrade combat xp and grind with members

if you just wanna vibe with a medium sized claim that should still earn you xp, just not enough to actually outearn anyone who actively tries to improve theirs

[limber river]

i like all the options

[toxic berry]

I mean those shouldn't be "either or", those should be the options u actually have in-game

[limber river]

I think universal xp gain is important to continue down the road of making all territories important, while supplying a goal for guilds not in prof/xp grind spots

[toxic berry]

yeah

Ima write about it a bit later

[limber river]

epic

[hollow willow]

can you still contribute emeralds?

[quasi jolt]

Havent found the way yet, command is gone

I really do like the option where u can see the names of open invites u have send as a guild, its epic thx ct

[regal stream]

/guild disband all guilds

[lost tangle]

war world restarting...

bruh

i spent 2stxs of my own money to war 6 times

and one of them restarted...

[lost tangle]

so like 5 wars worked out of 50 i tried

what do yall think of war costs?

most of them were 2le

but i saw one for 1eb

and one for 7le

[shadow lava]

I think war costs are fine once they fix the bugs

[ornate forge]

and one for 8le

[shadow lava]

Im assuming you can pay out of guild bank

[ornate forge]

yeah u can

[shadow lava]

yeah then it shouldn't be too bad

[lost tangle]

but it can take like more than 20mins on cooldown lol

[shadow lava]

bruh

wait why

[ornate forge]

yeah someone posted a ss of a 51minute wait

[lost tangle]

depends on how far from hq it is

lol

[shadow lava]

ok they should make faster

wait what if they made it so that you can attack instantly but you can't actually "hold" the territory until the resources arrive

wait thats dumb

then you can lock terrs during an attack or something

nvm

[limber river]

stocks only go up

[lost tangle]

bruh, warring is far too expansive and almost no real reward

you need stxs of personal emeralds to be able to hold an area

unless they buff guild towers

if you are like the most guilds and has small bank you will need personal emeralds to war, and that should go on until ppl get drained out of emeralds

and even if your guild has a big bank that has been fed emeralds during years

you lose your hq and puff

this also kills all warrers want

now i will have to either spend 2le of my personal bank

or wait several minutes for emeralds to come from hq, that is if we dont lose our hq and go back to 0 emeralds in bank

[ripe herald]

when a hq gets destroyed i feel like there should be a timer for when you can attack it again

[keen scarab]

Once you get situated 1-2 territories can make like 144k emeralds / hour

[lost tangle]

the base production of a terr is 9k emeralds

how do u get 144k with 1-2 terrs?

[keen scarab]

3, 3 eff and rate

one of the territories has to be crops

[lost tangle]

ye, and how do u get the res for that?

[keen scarab]

the other has to be ores

[ornate forge]

except those terrs will be so easily taken back, no?

[lost tangle]

ye, even medium def is soloable on morph ...

[ornate forge]

if wars worked properly i could take every single esi terr in less than an hour including their hq

[keen scarab]

yeah you are correct but it can be any two terrs

and

guild hq buff is the real deal

[lost tangle]

with hq emeralds u need to wait ages to start wars

guild hq buff is small tho

only 100% on hp and attack

[ornate forge]

yeah

[keen scarab]

we dont use guild hq buff

its glitched

[ornate forge]

o

[lost tangle]

its still easy unless u have almost all upgrades

[keen scarab]

ive only spent 56 le so far

[ornate forge]

even so

on wars?

[lost tangle]

i spent 2sxts

[keen scarab]

yeah

[lost tangle]

i got like 40 wars bugged

[ornate forge]

yeah we've spent over 5stx

[lost tangle]

and 5 worked

[ornate forge]

and had less than 10wars

[dapper robin]

well wars arent gonna actually bug this often when 1.20 drops

hopefully

[ornate forge]

but also

[lost tangle]

even with that

[keen scarab]

you gyus were probably attacking all day yesterday

[lost tangle]

10 wars=20le

[keen scarab]

during bugs

[ornate forge]

even if hq isnt easy to take

[lost tangle]

nah, not all day

i tried like 1 hour

and went off

[ornate forge]

all the regular ters are easy as hell

[rain glacier]

hello fello

[keen scarab]

@ornate forge if you take some random two terrs

no one is gonna attack you

[lost tangle]

wars that work take 3mins considering timer

theya re tho

[ornate forge]

yeah why wouldnt they

if ur guild is trying to hold specific terrs

[lost tangle]

we took 5 randpm terrsyesterday

[ornate forge]

and a rando takes two terrs

why would we not take em back

[lost tangle]

some on savanha, one nem and one durum

[ornate forge]

only reason ppl arent taking them back rn is because its hb and wars dont even work

[lost tangle]

the shit about guilds is that wars were too easy

but they are still too easy

you dont have enough res and emeralds to heavily defend more than 2-6 terrs

[ornate forge]

taking regular territories from esi

takes me like a minute

with just morph

[lost tangle]

u lost on a medium terr get the L

[ornate forge]

lmao

i afked :(

[lost tangle]

i was taking a medium terr on morph easily until server restarted...

the thign is

the problem remains

of easy wars

only on like hq with close to max upgrades it poses a challange

[ornate forge]

and salted said this update will help small guilds

in my eyes this couldnt have been worse for small guilds

[lost tangle]

ye, gl getting like a stxs to try to get some area

[ornate forge]

essentialy kills em off

[lost tangle]

welp, ill test more stuff on beta and suggest stuff more far in

[ornate forge]

what person wants to make a guild to spend 8le on a terr they will have for 15minutes

[lost tangle]

but i feel like attack cost should be heavily reduced and guild towers buffed

[lost tangle]

20 only to create a tguild

just look at raids nowadays

u can raid a person with like 200 wars

and you still end up with nothing

[ornate forge]

i heard that the lowest defense on a guild tower was like current 22k

but its like a current fucking bob the zombie

looking for last mob takes longer than low defense wars

[lost tangle]

i they want new guilds to come in

[dapper robin]

they nerfed them

i think

the towers

[ornate forge]

yeah

ik

[lost tangle]

lowest def should be even weaker

[ornate forge]

they need to undo that nerf lmao

[lost tangle]

but upgrades better and cheaper

bruh, if u think about the objective of helping small guilds

u cant even try winning a war without lvl 100

[ornate forge]

if the terrs stay this easy

the update will drop and the entire map will be claimed within an hour

[lost tangle]

and several le

i will work on a sugestion on the follow weeks

[ornate forge]

whats the limit on how many warrs a guild can start? if there even is one?

[lost tangle]

but i suggest somth like:

attakcs like 8 times cheaper

so instead of 2 le u spend 16eb on a war on the normal war cost

[dapper robin]

attack cost is a bit high yea

[lost tangle]

make the standard tower weaker

actually, maybe ig

ye, ig even for small guilds

[dapper robin]

go make a thread about it lol

[lost tangle]

upgrade costs needs to be like halved

i will

[dapper robin]

complaining about it constantly isnt gonna change anything

[lost tangle]

just brainstorming

yeye ik

[dapper robin]

ye

[lost tangle]

first time i complain xd

i need to war more to get more experince

all the 3 wars on very high def failed to start :(

but the problem is that u cant sustain even medium defenses on your territories

so either make base res production higher or lower upgrades costs

[dapper robin]

what lvl defs is considered medium?

[lost tangle]

no idea

u cant see the upgrades

just whatever it considers medium

wait, i have a ss

this was medium

[dapper robin]

i cant tell what lvl defs those are :(

i havent warred enough

i think we're able to sustain like lvl 2 of each upgrade

[lost tangle]

i will check on the excel

[dapper robin]

• like lvl 4 hp

[lost tangle]

eden will go full def on a couple terrs

[dapper robin]

theoretically we should be able to afford more

but we're lacking crops

[lost tangle]

i dont think lvl 2 upgrades are worth it

[dapper robin]

and cant trade w anyone

[lost tangle]

they are just as easy as no upgrade

[dapper robin]

yea idk how the new defs work

hard to test if like every war just glitches :(

[lost tangle]

what res bank lvl avo is shooting for?

[dapper robin]

res bank lvl?

[lost tangle]

ye

the normal res storage is 500 of each res

[dapper robin]

oh resource storage

um

idk tbh

i dont understand what the use of resource storage is

[lost tangle]

very hard to tell

its to storage surplus production if u have some

[dapper robin]

if the goal is to be as close to 100% consumption of each resource

but under

theres really no point to storage since as soon as its produced

itll just get used

right?

[lost tangle]

ye i think the thing is go as little under 100% as u can

the storage is good to prevent on raids

if u have 100% consumption

if someone starts like 5 wars and take your terrs with res production upgraded

[dapper robin]

o tru

[lost tangle]

if you have no res banked you lose the upgrades u have like on hq

the res bank prevent wipes

idk if its very important

[dapper robin]

not sure

[lost tangle]

if u have 24 hour warteam anyways

[dapper robin]

we're still experimenting

i kinda gave up on experimenting today because

[lost tangle]

welp, i expect this beta to be a long one

[dapper robin]

we werent getting anywhere with 1 terr producing crops lmao

and everythings glitched so we cant get mor

e

[lost tangle]

i got 5 terrs today :3

with 1stxs xd

i spent 15 le only trying nemract cathedral

first cost was 7le than we tried with 8le

[dapper robin]

lmao

[ornate forge]

yeah would have taken 7million emeralds from lxt in 5minutes if i didnt have to go afk in nemract cathedral lol

[dapper robin]

just give up on wars till they fix it tbh

[fast cave]

hey question what does a big guild's weekly income look like?

asking for a friend

[wide shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-18811908

[quasi jolt]

ems or xp? LMAO both are nearly 0

[lean ferry]

E

[scarlet kayak]

storage is mostly useful in cases you uber buff a territory and it creates so many resources so fast it hits the cap, and for your HQ to stockpile

[cloud pier]

poggers

[wooden tartan]

k

[quasi jolt]

[crystal trellis]

Good change

[dapper robin]

o i see

i guess its useful to keep your hq defenses running

even if all the terrs around it are taken'

[regal stream]

Guild go
brrrr
Guild go
byebye
Guild go
Lol we no need guilds

Thank you I’ll be going on tour

[split copper]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-la-beouf-clap-clapping-applause-impressed-gif-4427576

[potent ibex]

A storm is coming

[shut perch]

Is it ?

[quasi jolt]

Where?

[limber river]

donde esta

[hollow willow]

Dondasch?

[warped nebula]

r there any guilds i could join (lvl 37 archer) just started playing again

[limber river]

go to forums page for guilds

[warped nebula]

ty

[civic bloom]

i reccomend Empire of Sindria [ESI]

[limber river]

lol

not supposed to plug guilds here your supposed to plug the forum page

[warm knoll]

discord server link bad

[limber river]

@toxic berry smhhhhh not enough bad word in thread, downvot

[torpid fractal]

so why does the herb cave banner not exist

am I just actually blind

[limber river]

ive spent atleast 480 hours in herb cave and i promise you there is no banner

[torpid fractal]

how does a guild own it atm?

[plucky cedar]

You dont need a banner to atk a terr @torpid fractal

[torpid fractal]

I'm actually the least intelligent being on this planet

thank you lmao

[toxic berry]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/uhh-salted-a-discussion-on-guild-slots.278633/

[potent ibex]

Guilds slots are FINE

All current guilds are going to jump levels, so they had to nerf slots to balance it out.

It WILL balance out pretty fairly

It should to say the least

And they also nerfed level requirements, so leveling is much easier

Well “easier”

All the perks are essentially changed to be at higher levels, so while level xp requirements were nerfed, you still out roughly same effort for the perks of level I imagine

Probably less of course

But guild slots will be fine

Level and xp is not accurate in Hero Beta

[hidden valve]

my guild is dead af sadge

[flint shuttle]

gonna be real, we really cant say that it'll all be fine until we see it happen

wouldnt be suprised if guilds dont jump/dont jump enough, i mean, xp's been messed up before & not carried

[vocal granite]

Yea

A lot about this update is, messy at best for guilds

[flint shuttle]

i wouldn't say its necessarily messy, but i'd say we need to be careful with saying that something will 100% stay the same and be fine

because its a massive change for guilds away from a system that was ultimately really broken

[vocal granite]

I've been saying messy because some of the resource distributions are weird, the guild slot issue, wars working maybe 1/10 times atm

[flint shuttle]

yeah a lot of guilds issues on hero beta are just ultimately due to it being hero beta

[vocal granite]

Yea

[flint shuttle]

and the servers being like, really unstable

we've just got to cross our fingers and hope when release comes, most of the big game breaking bugs are out and that the next patch will come out not long after if there are loads of issues still

[vocal granite]

Hopefully

And maybe some quality of life changes that make the resources a bit more distributed across areas

[flint shuttle]

and maybe less choke points

[vocal granite]

Also that please

[flint shuttle]

I honestly feel like the potential toxicity and pettiness of guilds was like, underestimated in this

[vocal granite]

One being adding a trade route between rymek and mining base

[flint shuttle]

i remember someone pointed out something that could potentially take away a guilds whole progress and someone went 'but why would they do that'

and idk, maybe because they're guilds?

[vocal granite]

Because you have 1 argument with a guy and go and try to destroy everything

Its happened before

[flint shuttle]

and because there are people who would genuinely waste time, money and effort if it destroyed everything a guild worked on

[vocal granite]

Oh yea 100%

[flint shuttle]

idk if u can still do it but it wasn't a bug or anything

so i wont say what it is because yeah no im not encouraging that

otherwise boomboy will be back with 50 alts to try kill imp

[vocal granite]

But yea, desert and rymek area
Theres about 20 territories between them, only 1 way in or out, and over 85% of it are crops

[flint shuttle]

SE's also got a massive chokepoint

[vocal granite]

Yea, mine base plains

[flint shuttle]

& its got the highest lvl proffing areas

_>

not to mention how wynn in general has a MASSIVE chokepoint

also do we know if there's a cap on allies you can have?

[red monolith]

SE in its entirety is a choke

[vocal granite]

Yes there is Moshi

[red monolith]

at least they fixed nemract a bit

[flint shuttle]

Mishima

nice

xD

[red monolith]

we can have up to 7 allies i think

[flint shuttle]

whats the cap?

[vocal granite]

Dammit persona 5

[flint shuttle]

Lmfao

[red monolith]

quite a bit

:)

[vocal granite]

At level 52 I can have 5

[flint shuttle]

wait it raises w/ level?

[vocal granite]

Seems like it

[red monolith]

yea it's weird

[flint shuttle]

uhm that doesn't sound good

xD

[red monolith]

so lower level guilds

won't have everyone in their alliance allied

it's a network of allies

not a group

[flint shuttle]

it's gonna be.. interesting

cant wait to see the next mega alliance

[vocal granite]

The trade routes only being between allies i found weird

[flint shuttle]

i mean you kind of have to be allies to have trade routes

[vocal granite]

Not really

[red monolith]

i mean this is really bad

the 1 thing small guilds had

was grouping up

but if they are capped to only 3-4 allies

by level

they get screwed over even on that

[vocal granite]

Yea

[red monolith]

you could at the moment in theory group up 10 smaller guilds

and they could put up a decent fight

only in theory cuz smaller guilds have no clue how to properly politicz

[flint shuttle]

yeah i agree

[red monolith]

but even that doesn't work

that should be changed imo

make it a hard 5-6 for everyone

[flint shuttle]

smaller guilds need to group up

if anything i'd make it go the other way

[red monolith]

with 7 you can recreate artemis pretty much

after you trim some fat

[flint shuttle]

yeah

[red monolith]

how many guilds

did luna need

to be dominant?

luna was the smallest dominant alliance ever

[flint shuttle]

just have Imp/Pun/Ern/Fox/Hax/and whoever else

[red monolith]

kek

[vocal granite]

Basically yea

[red monolith]

that sounds beatable

but add AVO and IBT/SHY to that mix

and no

[vocal granite]

Also, what's yalls opinion on the cost of wars

[red monolith]

hard to say

only applies if you're constantly losing your HQ

i think it will badly hurt any guild thats wiped

looking to just raid

like they do nowadays

[vocal granite]

Yea

[toxic berry]

Sry traded ability to be toxic for the Imp badge 😔

[red monolith]

unless

it's dirt cheap

for them

which i think it is?

but that causes other problems

[vocal granite]

Its 2 LE per

[red monolith]

on the opposite end

it shouldn't be

should be lower, at least for a while

[vocal granite]

Yea

I think it can go as high as 8?

[red monolith]

you should be able to take daily stabs at an enemy

but would be nice

if that was capped at like 20-30 wars or so a day

so it doesn't become a nuissance

[vocal granite]

I've seen 5 before and thats it really

But I've heard as high as 8 LE

[red monolith]

i mean this hurts smaller guilds

[vocal granite]

Yea

[red monolith]

bigger guilds tend to be richer and have less trouble staying on the map

once they push in

so they pay less

so the static 2 le is not a good idea regardless of how it currently is

i know it gets more expensive if a guild with many territories

attacks one with few

thats... an interesting concept

but needs to be worked out more

cuz it going to be exploited

(by big guild)

[vocal granite]

Theres a lot of work that needs to get done

Like, isn't basically all of Troms and nessak wood

Outside of like, twain lake and mansion

Ik all of desert and rymek are crops except for 2 ore and 1 fish

[flint shuttle]

tbh im not a fan of warring needing LE

[vocal granite]

And the fish isn't even along the actual river that runs through the desert

I'm not the biggest fan either moshi

[flint shuttle]

ngl im broke as fuck

so like

im not a fan whatsoever

[vocal granite]

Same

[flint shuttle]

it's kind of just turning warring into like, rich boy paradise

[vocal granite]

I have less than an LE

[flint shuttle]

do u need some?

[vocal granite]

I mean i got rich guild mates ill be fine

[flint shuttle]

fair

[toxic berry]

Imo it's fine seeing how guilds are meant to be endgame and not solo content

[vocal granite]

And 2 mythics, granted one is a dawnbreak

[flint shuttle]

i mean thing is, plenty of people in guilds aren't rich though

2LE is still a lot for a lot of endgame players unless they're lootrunners, high lvl proffers, ect

[vocal granite]

Plus quest rewards just. Don't exist

[toxic berry]

Oculism would like to know your location

[flint shuttle]

there arent any quest rewards which are worth much in today's inflated economy, is what u mean

[vocal granite]

2 LE from a level 99 quest, just seems low

[flint shuttle]

yeah u legit get more from The Ultimate Weapon

which is a bitch so i dont do it

[vocal granite]

Its the same as aldorei part 2

Sure its technically 5
But you pay 3 to actually do it so only 2 profit

[flint shuttle]

wtf

[vocal granite]

Yep

For a level 99 quest

[flint shuttle]

yeah that sounds like wynn

remember when 1000 metres down had its reward nerfed and its worth jack shit now

[vocal granite]

Yea

.5 LE

Lvl 95 quest btw

If quest rewards weren't complete garbage it would make wars costing LE less painful

[flint shuttle]

or if mass amounts of LE was easier to gain

[vocal granite]

Yea

Right now its just get lucky with mythics and profs

[flint shuttle]

yep

im so poor its lowkey sad

because the only mythics i have were given to me because they were so goddamn bad

[vocal granite]

I've found 1

My main one was given to me

Also, opinions on base storages being upped beyond 3k a terr

Because unless you have an lot of wood

You bleed money massively

And in some cases years of work building a bank, is just gone, reduced to ashes

[shrewd cove]

yeah, if they're looking to have money sinks because of the inflated market right now, adding timers to wars using guild emmies and allowing instantaneous 2le <contributed from player> wars is bad

[vocal granite]

Well its not even instant

Its still a 2 minute timer

Which in some cases you can just transfer from hq and have the same time

[shrewd cove]

transfer?

you know, that it's a minimum of 2 mins from HQ

[vocal granite]

Ye

[shrewd cove]

and every terr going outwards takes at least + 2mins to transfer funds right

if you war across ocean, it's like a 40 minute wait

[vocal granite]

Ik

But the point i was making was, in some cases theres no difference

[shrewd cove]

my point is, there are few cases that incentivise using guild emeralds over your own

it's like a total of 4 territories surrounding the hq man

[vocal granite]

For a guild like mine atm, with my initial plan for where to go

Thats most of our claim

Plus unless people are rich, they will probably just wait out the timer

[shrewd cove]

it incentivises the creation of an external guild bank to trust members in

eg, the higher guild ranked bank

[vocal granite]

I guess but idk

Not the biggest fan of how much it costs per terr

Plus we don't know how many wars will actually happen come update

[flint shuttle]

probably a lot

[shrewd cove]

yeah

woooooo the goddess of the hunt falling woooo not actually but woooo

[ripe grail]

heh wara

[vocal granite]

Maybe, but once things settle down after the initial buzz, whats the day 2 day gonna look like

[ripe grail]

wars

imagine warring

@vocal granite things wont settle

alliances are weird atm

[vocal granite]

How do you know things won't settle?

[ripe grail]

so even if an alliance were to rule the map

every other alliance would do raids on em

it will take some weeks till non stop wars stop happening

[vocal granite]

Or, we will get another scenario where all the alliances just chill and work on their own stuff

[shrewd cove]

no not really

i mean, it's happening right now

[ripe grail]

imagine during the summer ESI would get raided a lot and constantly and there were worse raids

[shrewd cove]

but that's because sanctum frank sinatra is dead lol

lol

[ripe grail]

it will be way worse after the update

[shrewd cove]

what's an ESI

[ripe grail]

idi

idk

randoms

[shrewd cove]

sounds like weebtown to me

[ripe grail]

ah w8 u in ESI

rw

ew

[shrewd cove]

yeah lol

[ripe grail]

imagine

being in ESI

stinky

couldnt be me

[shrewd cove]

:brug: but my distorted png from half a year ago

[ripe grail]

i left ESI from dreams acc yest

cuz im too cool for u nerds

[shrewd cove]

smart man

[ripe grail]

dood ano all the way

@last lotus agrees that ANO>ESI

[shut perch]

Esi > ANO

[quasi jolt]

food> guilds

[shut perch]

Mk yea that

[red monolith]

guild > life

[quasi jolt]

food = life

life>wynn

[limber river]

guild politic

[hollow willow]

ArchangeL > guilds

[regal stream]

Anything > guilds

[hollow willow]

Engineer Gaming = Engineer Gaming

[regal stream]

Gertineer Gaming = Engineer Gaming

?

[hollow willow]

hmm

this too mathematical for me

[regal stream]

Too early in morning to make an answer

[final token]

🤔

[limber river]

no

[hollow willow]

ok mouton

[regal stream]

ok future mutton chops in the making 😋

[potent ibex]

Lmao

Y’all were talking about Luna

Yeah just those few guilds basically secured the entire map, and it wasn’t that long ago in the guild timeline tbh

They have devastating power

That was crazy to watch unfold

[final token]

🤔

[potent ibex]

What

@final token

[final token]

🤔

[potent ibex]

Speak.

[final token]

🤔

[lost tangle]

lol

🤔 channel

[potent ibex]

There hasn’t been any real war activity for an entire year

So the many guilds that bloomed throughout this year have never actually experienced a legitimate war climate

[final token]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[potent ibex]

It’s been a rat race for ffa, and war count, which doesn’t matter. Wars are not really anything if they did not contribute to the political climate, there is nothing motivating that war.

But that is the price to pay

For a mega alliance

This update will change a lot

[limber river]

leave the mega alliance, make something motivating to war

[final token]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[limber river]

yes

[potent ibex]

Well

No point in that

Artemis will shoo on its own

When 1.20 drops

if guilds still exist

@vocal granite I have a theory that they took the map of current territory ownership and basically based the resource map off it to mess with us lmao

[final token]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[limber river]

loll

thats right ice

exactly what they did

[cloud pier]

deathlucifer IS thinking

[final token]

🤔 🤔 🤔

Thinking of how idiotic this channel is 😂

[limber river]

ikr

[potent ibex]

Also Luna was NOT the smallest dominating alliance. It was actually Legio Praetoria

Only Wynn province was around at the time, but less territories equals more competition

[final token]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[potent ibex]

It was four guilds and then Fox for like a day

And then it died

[civic bane]

sam it has stopped being funny several minutes ago

literally just spam dog

[potent ibex]

^

[cloud pier]

thinking emoji was not funny several minutes ago either idk

[final token]

It wasn't meant to be funny????

😂 😂 😂

[hollow willow]

shit he stole my line

[final token]

Here ill use laughing instead

[potent ibex]

Luna was bigger most definitely, but tbh Valk pushed all the effort for that to happen, and basically let others be placeholders on the map lmao

[final token]

😂 😂 😂 😂

Luna

[hollow willow]

crylaughgaming

[cloud pier]

he;s actually laughing

[final token]

Like omg

[limber river]

ice if devs made the map specifically to piss off artemis... so what lol

[final token]

Laughing

😂

[potent ibex]

Well Artemis is gonna die but it can@probably be assumed many of us will pursue our current claims to some extent

[limber river]

then dont if they are bad

[lost tangle]

one of the reasons eden left artemis bc ffa are boring

[potent ibex]

Facts

[hollow willow]

thats why we need guns in Wynncraft

starting by GunAngeL

[limber river]

if artemis isnt around then you can attack whatever you want

[lost tangle]

you can attack whatever you want rn, you just cant hold

[potent ibex]

And people make ffas out to be everything - it’s like okay? Good for you that you enjoy doing wars with absolutely no political purpose or achievement?

[lost tangle]

on 1.20 you can possibly hold

[potent ibex]

There hasn’t been a legitimate war climate in over a year

[lost tangle]

lol, eden got 5bi xp in a week exclusevely from gavel ffa

that is enough to make me war ffa

[cloud pier]

yeah kiwi but we had to camp them for hours straight

[limber river]

make a legitimate war client by not going for claims

[lost tangle]

nah it was ez

[limber river]

be unpredictable

[potent ibex]

Meh the leaderboard is dummy@inconsistent because they never had set xp values

[lost tangle]

a few hours per day

for 1bi per day

[final token]

🤔 🤔

I think now

[potent ibex]

1 billion xp used to be an impossible feat but now everyone easily hits it

[cloud pier]

nah EU times all the ffas were getting hit

[lost tangle]

nah, not on ffa

[modern forge]

sam rn

[cloud pier]

me and a few others camped them

[lost tangle]

everyone hits bc of bulb

[cloud pier]

wow yugito arrived

this is poggers

[modern forge]

yes

[lost tangle]

yugi go back to ur irl stuff

u no nolife

[modern forge]

unrelated but i love you ivo

[potent ibex]

Yuge ito

[cloud pier]

related but i love you back

[modern forge]

cut e

[final token]

Woah Yugoslavia

[hollow willow]

ice just attack Qira battle Room

[final token]

I mean yugito

[modern forge]

same thing

[hollow willow]

garanteed not getting boring

[modern forge]

commiting war crimes in yugoslavia since 1865

[limber river]

im not gonna listen to any artemis guild talking about boring mega alliances lmaoo

[hollow willow]

like baiting recruits into "I need help with Qira" then fking kidnapping them into war

[lost tangle]

just mentioning qbr isnt a thing on 1.20

so sad

[potent ibex]

Why not

[lost tangle]

lmao

[limber river]

are you not the problem bud

[hollow willow]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-iquit-angry-tableflip-fuck-this-gif-10784297

[lost tangle]

bc u guys actively contribute to mega alliances

[potent ibex]

Us talking about how boring it is, it is just a testament that it will die

[cloud pier]

dude props to artemis for making the hecking opposition give up in the first months of it's creation LOL

[potent ibex]

Is that not what u want

[cloud pier]

never seen before

[limber river]

???

[potent ibex]

We recruited Sam. You think we want Artemis to live??!

[limber river]

ahahah

[lost tangle]

lol

[final token]

🤔

[lost tangle]

i was in gl when u voted yes to tnl

no one mentioned that

[final token]

Ok so ima leave artemis next week

[potent ibex]

Not even gonna lie, I told Sam I voted yes bc I knew he would help Artemis die faster lmao

[limber river]

why didnt you leave if you want it to die

[hollow willow]

I wouldnt call it give up, id call it "meh mega alliances cant be killed, ill blame Wynn and war 1 time a week to prove my point"

[lost tangle]

.

[cloud pier]

giving up basically

[limber river]

its obvious half of artemis desperately wants it to survive even if they say they dont

and ano is one of those guilds

[hollow willow]

I just want to grill at nether gate for Bob's sake

[cloud pier]

mega alliances die like flies

[lost tangle]

i smell drama rn

[potent ibex]

Leaving doesn’t do anything, it has to break from within. Many guilds have left Artemis, didn’t do shit. 1.20 was just the perfect opportunity, and it was mutual.

[cloud pier]

look at Luna, Terra, etc

literally takes a little internal weakening

[hollow willow]

tell that to certain guilds who thought 1 wars a week was the way to play it

[cloud pier]

and it's vulnerable as heck

[lost tangle]

lol, what are the many guilds that left artemis

only eden and nia

but nia left bc it was dead

[potent ibex]

If you look at basically any past mega alliance, it officially died when Valk ceded from it lmao

[limber river]

hyped for hestia

[potent ibex]

wdym

[final token]

Tf

[hollow willow]

Engineer Gaming

[final token]

So ice

By ur logic

If 1.20 wouldn't come

You'd been fine with artemis

????

Ur using 1.20 as an excuse

What was it months before

????

[lost tangle]

artemis was dead since there was no opposition e.e

[cloud pier]

they are not required to be alive basically

[potent ibex]

Well, it’s a pretty mutual agreement we will all go our separate ways when 1.20 hits

[lost tangle]

so since shy decided they wanted to join back and stopped attacking

[cloud pier]

just more alive than opposition which isnt hard to achieve

[potent ibex]

Jumping the gun now is dumb

[lost tangle]

why not now?

[hollow willow]

dewit

[lost tangle]

why postpone its death?

[limber river]

mmm but some groups will survive much better in their seperate ways than others

[final token]

But ur not denying u would've stayed if 1.20 wasnt guilds

[lost tangle]

its dying since b4 tnl joined

[potent ibex]

Because there is no reason for us all to get unstable now

[hollow willow]

ice, attack fox rn no balls

[potent ibex]

Lmao

[hollow willow]

then dont complain about war being stale x)

add your own spice to it all!

[potent ibex]

War is stale, but it won’t change until 1.20

[final token]

🤔 🤔

[potent ibex]

Because to be fair, the current layout of wars has gotten p boring too

[limber river]

mmmm ok buddy

[hollow willow]

then make it fun, war with only your fists

[limber river]

dxi lvl 50 war team

[potent ibex]

People have already addressed this. It is pretty mutual we all go our separate ways when 1.20 hits.

No one is going to shoot themself in the foot for something that will already happen

[hollow willow]

no balls

[potent ibex]

No, it’s called I’m not a dumbass

[hollow willow]

its not being a dumbass

its about having fun

if you don't have fun in a video game, then do something to have fun in the video game

[potent ibex]

Yes, and I’m chilling in Hero Beta

[limber river]

me when no fun game

[vocal granite]

I wouldnt be surprised if they made the resources just to troll us

[limber river]

who is it trolling lol

they are decently balanced

[potent ibex]

I’m testing out hero beta and enjoying the new format of wars. I have absolutely zero reason to start problems now in a system that is changing when I can enjoy myself on the Hero Beta map

[lost tangle]

lol

[potent ibex]

I already have content in the meantime

[limber river]

its not perfect but i dont look at the map and see a troll

[lost tangle]

how are you enjoying wars in 1.20

[potent ibex]

It’s pretty fun, but it is glitchy

[hollow willow]

TROLOLOLING THE LIBERALS OF WYNNCRAFT BY ADDING RESSOURCES!!! (GONE WRONG) (21+ TO CONSUME DRUNK POTION)

[lost tangle]

more than half dont work

[limber river]

GET MEMED

[potent ibex]

There are obvious trolls

They renamed Imperial Gate

To Royal Gate

Obviously in spite of Imp

[hollow willow]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-explode-shattered-broken-gif-15365808

my pog

[limber river]

yo content team is actualy wynn players? no way

[potent ibex]

Lmao

[limber river]

ice how do you feel trolled

jungle is wood? is that a suprise...

[lost tangle]

they removed qbr

ofc 1.20 is a troll

[potent ibex]

So is Nesaak

I thought Nesaak would be fishing

[hollow willow]

mfw qbr couldve been gaming ressource

[potent ibex]

Sike

[hollow willow]

how lmao

[vocal granite]

I would have assumed that too

[potent ibex]

Fishing is Nesaak’s industry

[hollow willow]

sure for twain's

[lost tangle]

but jungle has herb

[vocal granite]

Also, abandoned pass for no reason not connecting to rymek

[lost tangle]

one of the few terrs in game that offer real benefit

[lost tangle]

yess this is so weird

[hollow willow]

idk the first thing I see when I enter Nesaak area is a lotta wood

[potent ibex]

There will probably be ffas still

[vocal granite]

So the entire desert only has 1 in and out point

[potent ibex]

Ffas are feasible

[lost tangle]

how will gavel guilds take herb tho

who would wait like 40mins

[urban gull]

hi

[potent ibex]

The thing about jungle that sucks and Nesaak too is that it isn’t in ANY way a trade route

[hollow willow]

w e e d?

[potent ibex]

Absolutely zero traffic

[vocal granite]

Also the 1 fishing area in the desert not even being on the massive ass River

[limber river]

so dont get jungle

game is not hard

[potent ibex]

No gain from taxes

[hollow willow]

indeed

[urban gull]

does stuff go through the passge?

[limber river]

territory bad so dont take it

revolutionary i know

[ripe herald]

isnt herb removed ninja

[lost tangle]

no

[ripe herald]

in 1.20

[potent ibex]

Nah, I promised to not pursue any territories outside our current claims as a final respect to our allies

[lost tangle]

the stars from mob name are gone

[potent ibex]

Since we departing

[lost tangle]

but herb is still there

[ripe herald]

ahh

[hollow willow]

allies who? artemis in 1.20

[limber river]

then thats your fault ice lol

you chose like the worst spot in wynn

[final token]

💀

[urban gull]

i swear

apparently artimis has internal issues 👀

[potent ibex]

It’s whatever, overtime we might move but we will initially go after those

[hollow willow]

aight who broke the toilet

[potent ibex]

Artemis is gonna die Lukas

[urban gull]

ye ik

[hollow willow]

just make it die rn smhing h

im ready for the funerals

[potent ibex]

Tbh it is a miracle it has lived so long IMO

[limber river]

what the frick no way bro

[modern forge]

crazy internal info

[hollow willow]

there is an impostor among u

[urban gull]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-digibyte-dgb-meme-button-gif-18569623

[hollow willow]

yo, TNA looking kinda sus doetho

[modern forge]

tna more like toe nails

[hollow willow]

!

im skipping, all I done was gaming on imp gate during the whole round

[limber river]

artemis bad

[ripe herald]

banana army is where it's at

[final token]

Artemis is great 👍

[hollow willow]

GRAAAAAAPE

[urban gull]

here is their like noone from arteries here to defend them

oops autocorrect

[hollow willow]

arteries?

[urban gull]

eh I'll leave it

[hollow willow]

cascading arteries?

[final token]

🤔

Dude artemis is great

[hollow willow]

the eye is confirmed as an alliance

[limber river]

sam is artery?

[final token]

What do u mean

[urban gull]

yes

[final token]

I love artemis 😍

[urban gull]

ew

[final token]

No map changes be mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Literal sex

[potent ibex]

See Artemis is so mutually agreed to die we deleted our map changes channel and are just letting the map sit the way it is until the update

There just is no point in putting effort into a new map when the whole dynamic is going to change and people are gonna go their own ways

[final token]

I'm still salty over that 😂

The excuses for it aren't fair but whatever idc

[potent ibex]

I know it lowkey hurt you more than anything

Because you have little rn

[limber river]

3 guilds own more than 3/4s of wynn so thats where i would be worried

[final token]

Ur just bad sheepn lol

[lost tangle]

ye gtfo sheepn

no one loves u

[limber river]

fake news luv

[urban gull]

would be nice to change that

[limber river]

whos gonna change it

not me 👀

[lost tangle]

not me 👀

[potent ibex]

Not me

[final token]

Me !

😳

[urban gull]

I need dbomb

[regal stream]

Ask nicely

[final token]

Ok so where is my free friends

[urban gull]

the server i full

[final token]

🥺

[potent ibex]

I doubt majority of Artemis guilds are even going to pursue the entirety of their claims initially

[urban gull]

yes I'll ask salted to give me champion and .20 rn so I can get on

[potent ibex]

However, they will prob expand out a bit more later

[hollow willow]

ok im back

did I miss poop economy

[limber river]

tough talk, assuming they survive lol

[regal stream]

You didn’t even say please, you swine 😔

[hollow willow]

vy whats wrong with swine!1!1

[potent ibex]

Majority of Artemis guilds will do well in this update

[regal stream]

They didn’t say please11!1!!1

[hollow willow]

bUt

[potent ibex]

And survive

[regal stream]

no

🔫

[limber river]

i wanna see ano cooped up with 10 wood territories in jungle

[regal stream]

Bacon time

[hollow willow]

🏃‍♂️

[potent ibex]

Literally all we have 😭

[regal stream]

💥 🔫

[potent ibex]

We own jungle and Nesaak in hero beta rn and all we have is a bunch of wood for no reason

[final token]

🤔

[hollow willow]

🔧 🎮 👷

[final token]

Ima vibe in my ocean

🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️

[limber river]

if only there was a way to get other resources

[potent ibex]

Sam smell like fish

[urban gull]

🧑‍🤝‍🧑

  🏌️‍♂️

[regal stream]

🦀

[hollow willow]

🔥

roasted crab

hmmm

[ripe herald]

😱

[regal stream]

😔👌

[potent ibex]

Yes, trade with me. We have lots of wood! Please! It’s good wood. I know Gavel guilds and other Wynn guilds have wood too, but our wood is the freshest

[regal stream]

Cronkeeeeee

[final token]

Its cheaper to buy from lxa

Sorry ice

Less tax

[potent ibex]

They are closer. .

[urban gull]

wheres it coming from? if its from wynn its corrupted and i don't want thet horrible decaying wood from kander

[potent ibex]

But luxury is a good price to pay!

[lost tangle]

bruh i really wanna see what will happen if a old guild loses their hq with their bank

[potent ibex]

Nesaak doesn’t suffer from corruption!

Theorick froze it off!!!

[urban gull]

it has less, not none

[limber river]

yeah honestly i think dxi will go around just headshotting hqs at update

[potent ibex]

Losing an HQ is fine, the system is meant so you can get it back

[limber river]

super toxic and it will be hilarious to watch artemis lose all their emeralds

[lost tangle]

lol

get 10mi emeralds back?

[limber river]

watch those sweet sweet tears fall onto their empty bank

[urban gull]

if ur nearartimis put ur taxes to 100% pls

[potent ibex]

Someone can take your HQ but you can just take it back and get everything in the same state it was. When you take a territory, you inherit its storage and current set defenses

[urban gull]

we can suround them

[lost tangle]

cant u send emeralds to other guilds?

[urban gull]

yes

[potent ibex]

So umm, if the defenses are high af and you don’t have available resources you should prob change that

[urban gull]

iirc its not a one time contrib

[lost tangle]

ye its hourly

is it capped at some value?

[urban gull]

I'm not a hero, I just read the changelog lol

[lost tangle]

lol

[potent ibex]

I’m happy for the update. A lot of people came back, I mean, it is completely changing a lot of things. Gavel is gonna be new as well

[lost tangle]

u can also take the hq and start a war at every terr available

[limber river]

can drain 500k per hour on a bank

[potent ibex]

Gavel is lowkey EO now

People will make emeralds like CRAZY now

[urban gull]

is it better to put an hq in a high value or low value area

[potent ibex]

So even if you lost your old bank it doesn’t really matter

[lost tangle]

not rly

u need to invest emeralds into making res

[potent ibex]

And your territories produce it

A lot

[lost tangle]

unless u go with no defense on your territories

[urban gull]

t

[lost tangle]

i experienced a bit with the 9 terrs a guild created on hb has for a couple of days

you spend most of the emeralds on resource upgrades to make your hq high defended

[limber river]

yeah i did a long night of calculus about terr upgrades and ideal defenses leave almost nothing to spare

[lost tangle]

^

[urban gull]

#guild_community message

[lost tangle]

and if you ever want to bank emeralds

you need to invest a decent mount of extra res on bigger emmy storages

[limber river]

its not worth to bank emeralds

i cant imagine a case where its better to keep emeralds than to invest in more res

[urban gull]

#guild_community message

[potent ibex]

Tbh storage is only useful for emergencies. Just invest your resource straight into defenses

[lost tangle]

so if storage is useless how will u bank up emeralds?

[potent ibex]

You spend them

Invest them in resources

And defense

[quasi jolt]

So how will u get new ems?

[lost tangle]

you need stored emeralds to finance wars tho

[quasi jolt]

Not if u play turtle style

[lost tangle]

wdym?

[quasi jolt]

Just passive defend

And never go attack

[lost tangle]

but even if only defending

using personal emeralds for wars that cost at least 2le hurts

if you keep the pre 1.20 bank alive you dont need to worry about it

and can even spend more emeralds than produced

[potent ibex]

Warring from your HQ takes foreverrr

[half musk]

rn you can just move your hq as close as possible to the terr you're attacking, then move it back afterwards

but hopefully they're changing thay

actually im not sure if they're even aware of this as an issue

[limber river]

mm i think the point is to prevent cross province wars