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WHERE DAFUQ DO I WRIGHT MY USERNAMe?
lol
wtf is going on here xD
the usual
hows life
Tuff
@potent rampart since you really cannot seem to stop talking shit and spreading blatant lies behind my back every other day, let me clarify a few things! I do not know who you are, far as I can tell you literally just started throwing insults my way ever since I started checking this discord simply because I represent a community/attitude you cannot stand. I am aware that people usually consider me a bitch and I think it's funny to entertain their fantasies and play guild megalomaniac, but I try my best not to go after anyone specifically and if you have such a huge issue with me then please dm me instead of literally making up facts about me and my past on here
much obliged, have a nice day!
periodt
if u talk shit at least flame me for smthing that actually happened
KIWI PLEASE THROW A TOTEM WE ARE DYING
bruh, i told u i was going to afk to read this
yes ik
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guild-xp-changes.277800/#post-3326151 respond respond respond im bored in class
u and yugi are shaman too, yk
@toxic berry maybe you should've taken your own advice and dm'd him lmao
I was rlly considering it but then I figured it'd only be fair to reply in public
dude can hate me all he wants, idrc, issue is that he keeps trying to spread lies lol
did he delete his msgs i dont see anythinc 😐
Wiwieurnakd7ufuejjajdhfuahwhdjd
same
calm sam
sheepout
@limber river ill kill you
🗡️
looking up just my name, I found a delicate selection of
- claiming I abused the system to become FW
- calling for a discord ban (and assuming my forums ban was for toxicity lol)
& just a lot of the usual "no one but her guild likes her 🥺"
and read my thread cuz i dont wanna be grinding glow bulb for the rest of my life
starting to think the last one might be projection
@limber river go grind
oh right accusing me of mini-modding the CT application thread, didn't know he was such a fan of my memes
I am not in Imp and I like you
@toxic berry ur so bad omg
He posted that like a week ago
all the stuff I mentioned was from today morning lol
Did he delete it then
I can only see responses from him in this channel from the 14th
not this channel probably?
oh nah I replied in this channel cause #🌎wynncraft was going way too fast
imagine caring
Lol what
i dont think i've seen u post there in fucking ages
the place needs some mini modding anyway, tons of randos think they're obliged to answer people's questions with no knowledge on the subject
closest I did was offering to review someone's GM app but like
I do believe I am qualified to do that if they ask
gonna be real, if you are or have been CT then you're like, the only people qualified
in the last 2-3 years*
whats wrong with them
how do i shere my xp with my guild
guys this is my only motivation to play wynn
in wars? it makes complete sense lol
any number between 1-100
why use any number other than 100 or 0 though
I mean it was fun white it lasted but it was supposed to be consumed years ago lol
25 looks good
imagine having high lvl cooking
👁️👄👁️
If consumables are still as op in 1.20 imma lvl up scribing doe
pain.
Give me subject
??
All I know is that guilds are gonna get reworked completely
Subject of the current convo
"Fill me up"
i mean we dunno much about consumables/flags
Idc about consumables*
🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️
those are the only aspects i dont think have been touched
Moshi dont make me vore you
sam you cant vore me
Figure out the banner ting 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️ 🗡️
no
I dont think Toy went out to fix them so they dont get implemented
work it out in hero beta
banners will be on every terr now?
they werent before?
Toy supposedly fixed every flag that we told him
which ones were missing?
uh
A lot
there wer a lot
Join Wynn devs then search it
We discussed it all back in like June/July
nah everywhere
^^
I agree
sam shush
No u
Whats your guys view on the current solo guild/solo waring?
And how will it change in 1.20
Ehm...
solo warring rn is boring to do and it's dumb that one single person can be a significant hindrance to giant guilds, in 1.20 soloing will be basically dead so it is pleasant 😊
If you manage to keep a solo guild on the map for longer than 12 hours then I will personally quit Wynn
12 hours is like a really long time too
just make sub guilds to hold ffa
using subs on ffas is lame
well unless you're trying to hold it with the sub itself
feeding them to your main guild is lame rather
Subs in 1.20 will be basically unusable
he's looked at a mirror
😳
Sam qt
Is solo waring really gonna die in 1.20? 
I mean that wont stop me from making a guild just to be a nuisance
Goden had a point in Wynn devs
more of as a solo player it is really difficult to deal with towers, or again rather it's intended to be
Since war servers are getting deleted...
No more funny world numbers
We cant quite track the wars
😔
And that
Isnt it just a stationnary mob?
they have several hundred thousand health, very high defense and do a ton of damage multiple times per second
or they can rather depending on how you outfit it
The image on the changelig only had 200k health
one of the examples shown i think was 20k damage 2.5 times per second
Which should be easy as hell to beat
Oh wow 20k
I mean if war just comes to dps a single enemy, than whatever class got the best single target dps is gonna become meta
20k divide to the warrers...
Hi, TNA good. That is all, please carry on.
thrilled to run as fast as i can with the divzer nighthawk
TNA kinda cute
Hi, I agree
Ngl I wanna meet them
Hi, I do not know anything about popular guilds so I cant take part
I'm Not sure
What are the big guilds I should be aware of and why?
@lilac epoch every artemis guild
alliance
Well not really Moshi...
big boi alliance
I do think non-Art guilds are big too
While some Art guilds are small
I dont know jack about waring but looking at the map, I feel like its always the same guilds everywhere
because artemis guilds have choked out everyone else rn
There isn’t much motivation for ppl to war
Whats the point of waring if its just the same guys everywhere?
exactly
What’s the benefit of joining a guild anyways I have like 250 hours and haven’t touched guild related stuff
There is no reason to war Moshi
Like absolutely no reason lol
Yeah I figured
shy lvl 72 when???
the point of warring against it is to organize well so you can actually fight back
Yes
War genuinly look fun but the fact there is a limited amount of territories is
Aaaaaa
its not fun
but that hasn't happened or been successful in over a year now
war is extremely boring
warring is boring
guilds give you a community to play with, in some cases new things to do
especially rn when you can't progress
yep
By limited
I meant that basically you can never take a spot without expecting someone coming back to back
i mean thats not really feasible when all the active guilds are with you or not warring
But during the next update there’s benefits to joining a guild like profession bonus I saw right?
yes
I'd go to war for Moshi. Well, not for Moshi herself but for the house she is building me.👑
Goden remember when Shy was in Art? There was a competition between Shy and Hax about MH. Is there anything like that now? Lol
I stg
LOL
im not building you the goddamn house
hmmm
mh is quiet
if you pay me and give me the blocks, i will give you a build for your housing though
i aint paying you for a build that im never gonna make
Im not interested on Housing
i will prolly make a duck design on the ground if thats possible
Will probably just add the new build NPC and thats all
and thats it
@flint shuttle build my house or I release the logs
LOL
????????????????
How do you get the materials for housing again
dream just ask nicely you know i'd build u one
I didn’t look at that part on changelig
with profs
Ah
wtf
brb
Awwe 🥺 thanks moshiii
Schematica is allowed right?
We have Tariq in Shy. I dont need a house. We will just teleport to his house
Easy
We have Moshi too now
If she stays ofc lol
shy be gathering power
Shy x AVO merge when
if they nerf guildmember slots
We will make the ShVO
Lol
don't think you can log onto wynn with schematica
cause they don't want people copying or saving the map
Same with Replay mod
Damn
im gonna have to spend days to rebuild herb cave on my plot
Wait just realised how OP nemeract will be based on the current territory connection map an alliance could hold it and jack up taxes on it for nonallies and everyone else would be screwed
literally the only path between wynn and ocean+ gavel
u only just realised that?
yeah haven't really looked at the changelog too much until now
t a x e s
guys lets tax evade together
me and the boys running from the Wynn IRS
nemract and rooster island will be under a peace treaty as things are
Wrong
Nemract and rooster island will be highly contest areas that will split wynn and gavel in two for a long time
unless gavel + ocean + corkus is selfsustaining on grain, no way the big guilds are gonna deal with other big guilds killing their routes
rando's are gonna rando
but even "smaller" guilds have pushed big guilds to the brink of insanity over just 2 territories
IE: fox and fux
I feel like adding a path to imp gate from ragni would be good as well as cathedral harbor to half moon island
that wouldn't really make sense
It's better that theyre limiting the path ways
2 is already very restricting
1 is just overkill
gavel is not going to be fun with just 2 entrypoints
interested to see how the guild tower will work
Well I think theyre kinda designing the new map with the idea that they'll be more contention
does it function like a raid boss or a mob spawner or what
seems like it acts like a boss similar to eye
where its just a stationary meatshield
if I have to fight the eye every time I try and take a terr I'll die
I wonder if you can just attack a headquartered territory or if you have to fight through other territories to reach it
inside
honestly, i got shit on here yesterday for wanting more end-game content
but if a maxed out tower ends up having 10 million hp then i'll take that
That's not enough
they probably will
the eye has 3 million and can be solo'd pretty quickly if you ignore the downtime between phases
ehh there's some speculation since wars no longer take place on war worlds but on regular worlds
the eye has 28 million?
2.8m
Having more pathways would increase contention across the map though instead of everyone focusing on 1 spot
eye also isn't that scary all in all
6.4
with individual warstats dying
and wars becoming more effort and likely less interesting
Idk if wars will require more effort
i dont expect contention after a few months
i doubt they'll kill off warstats
More like less time
rip tnl
Well atleast not in the way they currently are
if they kill warstats
don't let it happen in hero beta
they just have to update the API properly
so it can be carried over
i dont understand why they send everyone to a regular wc
if we're 20 manning, how we gonna fit
honestly me neither, war worlds seem to have improved
they need lag for them to be more difficult
sentinel wars back in february peaked at 24 war worlds
and the game was dying
pretty sure a raid happend since then exceeding that and it felt fine
though not a great proof
what i'm honestly sleeping on is how they killed off the gimimick of warring in the actual territory itself
Im happy about that part
didn't expect them to do that
Now every terr is the same to war in
thats better since the islands are gonna be more important now
i interpreted the early reveal that the tower area was only when attacking an HQ
island wars were the worst
i quite liked the gimmick of being in different places
it wasn't practicall or anything
just added to the feeling
B-b-babynutnut.
i think actual tactics could start
now it'll feel like we're playing league of legends
like trade routes and resource management
or yu gi oh
@scenic gate i cannot believe it
i think that'll overtake any kind of mechanical skill or difficulty
assuming mega-alliances won't come back, the resource minigame will probably add a lot of political shenanigans
@cloud pier yo ivo
i can't praise that idea enough
bro when we kissing on tree island again
i wonder how small guilds will fare
i get the cool territory ideas but idk how theyll pan out obviously
No more kissing on tree island until wynn staff push a patch 😔
i dont like the war changes, i thihnk there were different ways to make them better
small guilds will very likely still be at the mercy of big guild alilances
but if they group together they can probably leverage some territories the way i see it
They probably won't get anywhere alone but they can weaken big guilds and alliances surely
Depends if they do resources correctly or not
even a big guild alone will probably have trouble
small guilds should have no chance solo, unless there's anarchy going on
It seems like it'll be more beneficial to control smaller areas as a guild rather than larger ones
the war changes are much better imo
Since you can defend less territories with less resources
compared to now ill take it
idk how to feel about just one tower as a defense per terr as it seems itll get boring but i think theres more you can add
and the resource end of it requires actual management so itll leave the guilds that dont have that coordination aspect behind which imo is a good thing
brain usage 👍
guild will be a lot more engaged
a lot of big guilds can just kinda sit and do nothing with great success
this system will require almost constant management and optimisation
agreed but
active large guilds should still be able to mega alliance
and i think that warring towers will get quite old quite fat
the guild game should not be based on the time you put into warring or how many sub guilds you have
in 1.20 you'd actually have to coordinate and strategise
otherwise you wouldnt be as big
Personally don't quite understand why they removed exp from territories.
Like please if you think the guilds that mindlessly war all day should continue being on top in 1.20 just leave
Who you talking to?
Talking about MeowCatPanda's statement
sry, i should've used the reply feature but i forgot
no worries
lmao replies? is this a forum now? discord's gone downhill
edgy
Still waiting on discord stories
from me?
nah joey thought i was arguining against his statement
even tho i agree
discord for you page
YEP
YOO ITS REAL
bruh joey hamlet
bruh babynutnut
im so sad no more mega alliance 😢 what will i do now
i wonder if there will be tower + mobs
thatd be kinda sick
i think
cause you could choose to deal with the mobs or just target tower
i hop
bruh sheepin
joey you coming bacc for update?
Think so, yea
epic
real poggers
would be nice if territory defenses were more than just lvl 50 swarm though
but like lvl 100 swarm
- guild tower
ye
Mostly for the housing feature tbh but I'll see what happens, want to at least check out the new guild updates
yea i hope they handle xp well
otherwise top guilds will have a crazy lead
and just wont be able to grow either
please god
Kind of my thought as well
Feels nice I've been away long enough to not know what bulb farming is
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guild-xp-changes.277800/#post-3326381 what yall think about raids for xp
im in and all ive seen is that sexy pfp
smash like and subscribe
well hey at least its not in vv anymore
I don't think I want to find out what bulb farming is
they need to tie guild xp to the new content
instead of just throwing away guild xp for the new content
like per raid
per raid you would get a certain chunk of guild xp, but also every territory would give a set # of guild xp per hour
I see this like how fire ran eo with gu xp 100 to level us
brug
sure, but it would be a bit more effective
how much xp does it give
yea lol
^
tragic
fire has 300+ runs at this point
xp/war would be interesting
xp per war is another good idea
ill add that
but also like 1mil xp per hour per territory or something
oh
for all territories regardless of where they are
imagine having someone monitoring ur forums thread
this post was made by "having to log onto incognito tab to read apps now" gang
oof
oof
my thread is all speculation though, maybe they are adding a new way for gu xp we dont know about it
+1m for eachtime dxi and ano kiss
hot
📣 AY 📢 YO 📣
come take hc from us and we can get our first bit of xp 🥺
i cba
me when cal is parliament lol
also why is it every time i look at your pfp
i faintly see big chungus
whats this supposed to mean!??!?!
I have been since before dxi even existed
not sure i wanna be involved with a member of parliament
BUT PALLYS OK?
Whats hc?
herbcave
pally is gaming
ah
mhm
But
let me into ano parliament and ill think about it
join a vc in ano disc I will move you
ano parliament mmm
oof
Oh
ill join vc in 37 minutes when class over
🤔
SAM MOMENT

sheepn has joined ano parli confirmed
TNA CHECK
tna check?
advertising is allowed here as long as we do it in moderation right
tna checked, TNI is better
f
GMY best guild
I ask u advertise in moderation, yes
ok thanks
😐
bee
have knees
b
join yeet for more knee facts
Imp doesn't either, we do expect a good app though 🥺
edn DESPERATE LOOOL L L L L
wtfrick
i mean
we're small
:)
now thats what im talking about
:,,,:
;-;
there r guild benefits right
support your local guild business 🙏
yes
you can usually apply like in a thread above
ok
there's also Yeet, no requirements:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/yeet-urg-guild-for-casuals-no-requirements-lv-21-guild.277783/
It's lowlevel now but hopes to grow
i need to level my guild up
i want to get to at least level 45
or whatever level you get level 100 enemies
honestly i just really like my guild title art it's cool
the shield has w i n g s
lol thanks
ok i applied to eden @ornate forge
i even have a lil wynnic motto
epic
its genuinely cool i like it
i'm open to some applications too
thanks
i drew it and honestly i didn't expect it to turn out that good
im sure you will get a ton, you just gotta be patient, itll pay off
edn
im checking top players rn and like for example grandpalee has a level 1258 mage
how does that work
😳
all his other things are like level 100-120
profession levels
if i just started what do i focus on
i'm not really sure what i'm supposed to do other than objectives/quests
so just mindlessly kill mobs?
ok thanks
@toxic berry come to GMY 🥺
had to put my alt into Imp for representation 😔
😦 :c we miss you
Ich euch auch 😔
so happy i go to german school so i can understand yall nerds
i feel like im a part of something ☺️☺️
@stable quest I'll get you champion if you give me GMY ownership
xD
❤️
AlexSimpForCath next
ik haat de duitsers, gozer
honestly
mon dieu
La vrais chanson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMc-6MVEHF8
im offended
Are guilds a good idea for someone who can only play for a little bit of time per week?
depends on the guild you join
it should be fine for most guilds I believe
Hax is the only guild I know of that has any sort of requirements
Ok thanks
np
hax doesnt have a war req anymore
i dont think
also a lot of guilds have activity requirements
like donate your liver to the guild bank
@granite turret guilds are probably going to start putting an activity requirement when 1.20 releases so you should get into a guild while you can
I mean some guilds have a big focus on community activities
like Imperial has 200+ citizens and barely any are active on Wynn, as long as they are active in our discord or for other games/events it's all good
yeah so community guilds might not but warring guilds probably will
playing the game 😐
I mean lots of warring guilds are community guilds
gaming the play
play of the game
poggers
poggosaurus
fun fact i thought that pog stood for play of the game but i was mistaken
dw me too
it actually is in reference to the pogs championship
a championship of the popular 1990s game “pogs”

@toxic berry since you really cannot seem to
stop talking shit and spreading blatant lies
behind my back every other day, let me clarify
a few things! I do not know who you are, far as
I can tell you literally just started throwing
insults my way ever since I started checking
this discord simply because I represent a
community/attitude you cannot stand. I am
aware that people usually consider me a bitch
and I think it's funny to entertain their fantasies
and play guild megalomaniac, but I try my best
not to go after anyone specifically and if you
have such a huge issue with me then please
dm me instead of literally making up facts
about me and my past on here
why play wynn when you can play stardew valley wiv fwends
oop
my wholesome message came after a big para
my man out here having poem war
@round raft since you really cannot seem to
stop talking shit and spreading blatant lies
behind my back every other day, let me clarify
a few things! I do not know who you are, far as
I can tell you literally just started throwing
insults my way ever since I started checking
this discord simply because I represent a
community/attitude you cannot stand. I am
aware that people usually consider me a bitch
and I think it's funny to entertain their fantasies
and play guild megalomaniac, but I try my best
not to go after anyone specifically and if you
have such a huge issue with me then please
dm me instead of literally making up facts
about me and my past on here
@hollow willow since you really cannot seem to
stop talking shit and spreading blatant lies
behind my back every other day, let me clarify
a few things! I do not know who you are, far as
I can tell you literally just started throwing
insults my way ever since I started checking
this discord simply because I represent a
community/attitude you cannot stand. I am
aware that people usually consider me a bitch
and I think it's funny to entertain their fantasies
and play guild megalomaniac, but I try my best
not to go after anyone specifically and if you
have such a huge issue with me then please
dm me instead of literally making up facts
about me and my past on here
im sorry who are you?
Why is that a copypasta?
do you think we should tell a mod or something
no but its funny
cmon dont call the feds
😐
Mute up
random

anyways im making a guild
i have 1
whoiw ants in
hi llue
i want to change my status to something wynncraft related and not just a fire emblem quote
e
And so the fall begins
whoever put the emoji for class builds is a real one
i believe this belongs in guild politics
@dense cliff bring balls and ok
bring balls
nuts, balls even
testicles
👀

Interesting
no u
exactly, im better
no me
Yahya is fast
ArchangeL is faster
consume your mushrooms
you can't escape the disaster
@hollow willow hot name
^
tni overrated tna better
I pfrefe tnk bigbccoolhuil
TN better
yez
ano sti k
TNR best
any community guilds that let combat level 18+ ppl recruiting
i wish i was in a community 😔
we live in a community
@split copper wow I c how it is
to be fair TNL is just a bunch of people who bully each other
I agree, sam you are at best my 4th favorite person in tnl
die
okay
Merci
who r these ppl LOL
e
Wait hold on
Is it level 40 or 70 for guild
40
70 to create
40 to create
lets say middles ground and go for a solid 55
also if you dont have a level 70 class dont go into guilds
finish your quests firsts
like
not all of them
but just doing quests with a bit of wacking random mobs gets you to like 80 iirc
quests gay
bruh thats homophobic
whats wrong with being gay every now and then
being homophobic is gay
quests are awesome
Simp
simp
Simp
hits blunt
Territory should be on one server only
So other guilds get to actually not always war the big guilds
what
what
I’ve read that 4 times and don’t understand
what
You broke the chain 😠
It was a whole 2 messages
It would be 3
And it’s not
maybe he means that territories are world sided so if i take cinfras in world 5, I wont have taken cinfras in world 7
oh that'd make sense
and eh that'd be worth considering if Wynn had a few hundred more top guilds
- worlds restart and stuff yknow
- what if you take a territory in like world 36
but world 36 is only booted up like once a week
ez gains 
that would be an unfair advantage over guilds in world 1 lol
imp dont war though
literally haven't warred in months and are still top 5 all time lul
Yes common sense compelled us to not waste more time till update
Guilds
Snerp guild comeback 
when imp is deleted sure
you should just join gmy c:
.
eh, i woudnt call best, but among the top for sure
at least until yall retired from wynn mid 2020
aye less than 2 months till birthday
bruh im is so old lmao
get Grvph in here
thats not fair he had a headstart
I used to be one of the younger Imps back when I joined lul
Gottem
@ember cloak you own avo right?
wait what
Anyone have a guild i can join? (My friends dont like wynncraft so i am lonly) I have a shaman level 61 and a artcher level 18.
Eden is recruiting if you would like to apply c:
Not my thread but would be interesting to see some discussion on this: https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guild-xp-changes.277800/
ew guilds
.
yikes guilds
guilds be poop L L L L
nice
Das a lot of ranks @ornate forge
someone send a screen of that thread
ty 💜
she's struggling
not my fault xenoforo does not support logging out of my account
Xd and oof
xd and oof
Do we even know how guild xp works in the new update yet
the level xp reqs specifically? nah
just that they're lowered and that terrs wont give xp
Why add guild xp back to territories of there are more interesting ways to gain it next update we don't know about it
Feel like that thread is jumping the gun
ye I am waiting till HB for thread spam
I'm sure they'll figure out some way to balance the guild xp without it being on territories
we should wait until the hero beta to talk about guild xp i feel
And I'm sure higher level territories have more mats and emeralds to give out if anybody is concerned with that
and the beta is coming out in like a week or two at most
Incognito or going to chrome and deleting your saved password for wynn
That's what I did when I was banned
it's OG Yuno pfp
I always take a pink hair girl as my pfp
Or flame princess
I have a pfp folder on my pc
same
same
I keep every picture I use for pfps or as like, character prompts, in it
tho if i use it as a character prompt i usually use it as a pfp
So hum, I wanted to try out war but nothing is happening
murdered too soon
oh never watched it tbh
taken from us
I just said yes, picked 1:30 and nothing
its called a war glitch
So... what do I do?
wait 20 minutes
freak
idk if going to a freshly restarted world fixes it anymore
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YOOO
okay so half my free time
goes into curating and appreciating fandom edits
and clexa content is like 80% of that
wait people actually watch those dumb team overdramatised shows?
he gets it
I've legit never watched one
Im a romedy action lover
I watched it till the end but it was just a 2nd screen activity past S3
I really like Twilight too
unless you count Skins as one of those shows
I am your stereotypical female lead drama bish
I dont wanna ruin the picture in my mind about the 100 by watching the last 2 seasons
I know everyone was in the last episode
let me give u a good edit @plucky cedar
Oh one time I watched the whole of Call The Midwife
But sadly I didnt save it and its now gone
in like, a month
Whats that
its a show middle aged upper class women watch
Ah
and cry over on facebook
Surprised you watched it
it has 8 seasons and its legit rlly good
Of how many episodes?
idk
45min episodes?
aight found it
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Fandom: The 100...
its like, around 10ish 1 hour episodes
fucking masterpiece
per season
I watch it 5 times a day
Watched it already :D
its focused around a group of Catholic nuns in the 20th century who do midwifery
wanna ally with Imp I can't fight ppl that know how to appreciate clexa
along with some non-nun ones
Cath out here trynna recruit me
u know it
👀
Shy > Imp
ooo trig?
trigonomotry is a language?
Its by the same guy that made GoT languages
JUS DAUN
and ofc
I lowkey wanna learn Dothraki
and Valerian
but i dont think Valerian is in the show is it?
I'm reading the books rn
I cant find it
I'm onto the second one but havent rlly started
