guild_community

[frail niche]

Free essentuan

[fair orchid]

free thatchy

My goat

Best ragebaiter in the west

[analog dune]

I'll dm you

[cunning igloo]

free thenelston

[frail niche]

Bro baited noone yesterday

[plush raven]

Goated

[frail niche]

He has to put the fries in the bag

[analog dune]

this one?

[fair orchid]

They killed him bc he sarcasmed too hard

[fair orchid]

Eh I’d say he did for a small while

Peak

[analog dune]

oh it got deleted

[turbid shuttle]

knock it off

[analog dune]

he asked a question and I answered

[turbid shuttle]

you should know better than to feed fire to the flame by now

[mental basalt]

let's talk about furries

[analog dune]

you gonna mute me like the 50 others?

[turbid shuttle]

I'd rather not but we'll see

[outer sable]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-speech-bubble-wolf-snarl-wolf-snarl-speech-bubble-gif-27469995

[mental basalt]

who here likes furries

[analog dune]

then we will see if ur better than the other mod on power trip

[fair orchid]

wait wasn’t that just the wynnbuilder link

[mental basalt]

no one?

thats what i thought

[turbid shuttle]

I personally am not a fan of targeted harassment but most of the activity has died down so im giving the benefit of the doubt

[analog dune]

https://tenor.com/view/janestree-gif-7169191187009197612

[fair orchid]

💀

[analog dune]

labelling me answering someone's question as "targeted harassment" is beyond reaching

[mental basalt]

you'll learn to live with it

[turbid shuttle]

"just answering a question" is also an oversimplification

[cunning igloo]

damn

[lilac hazel]

Hey bongus please stay on topic. Let's talk about guilds.

Fuy is the best guild

Fuy.gg guys

[silk holly]

hich.gg client

[cunning igloo]

i love fuy.gg, broke my game

[lilac hazel]

I hope it breaks you also

[young iron]

erm feeding fire to a flame doesn’t do anything… please get your metaphors right next time

[cunning igloo]

cant break whats already broken

Goldenshadow noooo

[fair orchid]

ok I would rather not get muted but I really want to know, is the wynnbuilder troll link like not allowed? I’d rather not share it around if it isn’t

[plush raven]

Shout out to my guild uhh i don't remember the tag

[obsidian otter]

join [Nia]

[plush raven]

No

[lilac hazel]

Who is Nia ❓

[turbid shuttle]

I wouldn't share it around because it perpetuates the harm thats already been done

[silver zinc]

Nya

[lilac hazel]

Damn I didn't know it was like that

👨‍🦽

[analog dune]

"the harm that's already been done" is crazy work

[cunning igloo]

🫃

[obsidian otter]

Nerfuria

[lilac hazel]

NERF?

[cunning igloo]

nerfing uria

[lilac hazel]

Oh hell na I'm going to buffuria

[silver zinc]

tbh idt we can justify cyberbullying no matter how stupid his takes are

[fair orchid]

alr so it’s the large scale of this that the mods don’t like?

[cunning igloo]

nah go to balanceuria

[obsidian otter]

[fuy] small guild

[silk holly]

nerferous vain something i forget

[lilac hazel]

We are small and mighty

[turbid shuttle]

the large scale is probably why we acted on it so harshly

[lilac hazel]

Quality over Quantity sir.

[turbid shuttle]

because it got out of hand to this point

[silver zinc]

there was also a build submission in blues builds talking about it

[analog dune]

there's a fine line between community memeing and legitimate harassment, i think many of us can tell where that is but some would like to mix things up.

[silver zinc]

so i think it got too far

[fair orchid]

Ngl I think the harsh response definitely made it worse but I get your point, this probably went too far at multiple points

idk the extent but I’m sure there were people who took it too far against selvut

[frail niche]

Will people be punished for posting other speech bubbles too especially the "I use a dps build that relies on heals"

[silver zinc]

yeah but some ppl can’t and some ppl choose not to know

[frail niche]

That's basically also targeted harassment but it's fine?

I've seen a lot of staff members post that one

I don't see the real difference here

[silver zinc]

^

[turbid shuttle]

I would say that the difference between the 2 is that in selvuts case it's in bad faith and taken out of context of the situation

[silver zinc]

or olinus tree route

[frail niche]

This gif is always posted mockingly

[silver zinc]

or olinus spell cycle

[outer sable]

can we post the gleeb glorp tkw screenshot

[plush raven]

No harms been done ong
Harassment via dms over this? Definetly harmful, also probably didn't happen. Harassment in the streets? Also didn't really happen.
Making fun of a wild take that boils down to "notable staff thinks fights should take significantly longer by shrinking player numbers?" Reasonable. Selvut got a ton of valid reasons to crashout like actual dm harssment but this aint it

[turbid shuttle]

yeah but I mean how much do you want to bet people hopped on the trend just because it's selvut

[analog dune]

no bc people with power to mute others are biased and choose who gets what and how, another mod got away while others got muted

[lilac hazel]

Let's all join ETKW 🏝️

[silk holly]

will i get muted for posting wisedrag gif

[cunning igloo]

i hopped on it because haha funny ct take

[fair orchid]

Ngl I had no idea who selvut was before this

[lilac hazel]

🇯🇵 👊 🔥

🧒

[silver zinc]

i think it’s funny bcs it’s a deranged ct take

[analog dune]

🔥

[outer sable]

oh nah they got pete hegsetkw

[cunning igloo]

🥺

[turbid shuttle]

we had an internal discussion regarding the mod that did it but yeah I can definitely understand how it comes off as privileged in a sense

[fair orchid]

I wouldn’t say it was taken out of context tbh, it seemed like most people knew exactly what he said

[silver zinc]

also what about ppl joking about salted’s yachts

how is this any different

[cunning igloo]

omw to divide my dps in wynntils infobox by 80000

[turbid shuttle]

the first people that made it may have understood but what was said in the gifs and memes paints a whole different picture

[silver zinc]

goodbye

[young iron]

perma ban

[lilac hazel]

👋

See you in Godot engine discord

[cunning igloo]

imminent death

[cunning igloo]

🙏

[turbid shuttle]

you cut out the part where it's a purely theoretical discussion and where selvut says themselves that it's super unrealistic and go straight for "this is wynncrafts intended dps metric"

and to the scale where you get random people viewing the memes

definitely hurtful and should not be tolerated

[silver zinc]

i actually read through multiple discussions ppl had with him

[fair orchid]

he did say “in my perfect world” which shows that it’s just his opinion

[silver zinc]

and it just doesn’t make sense

he even says it’s his opinion every time he talks about it

[turbid shuttle]

yeah I mean you don't have to agree with the takes, I even had a wildly different take in that discussion

but spreading it to this degree is when it goes too far

[fair orchid]

yeah he is pretty clear about his take

[cunning igloo]

💀

[lilac hazel]

I find it funny because it used his name as a unit of measurement

[silver zinc]

but the fact that he doesn’t even play the game is really not helping his case

[plush raven]

13 minute doc legendary fight 🤤

[outer sable]

harwrol incident

[turbid shuttle]

I had a 13 minute virus doctor fight the other day in cosmic foundations nulli

[analog dune]

theoretical or not, that's still his take, I can disagree with someone in a theoretical setting, along with many others. memes were made prolly cuz people find it funny, muting them only adds fuel to the fire lol

[silk holly]

salted die to mummy bot

[silver zinc]

but i guess i can see where he’s coming from as weeks of their work lead to a 20 second fight because everyone is doing over 2-3m dps

[fair orchid]

I would love to hit 2m dps 😔

[analog dune]

btw this is the proper metaphor, not the "fire to flame" that ain't making sense

[fair orchid]

I have played 100k dps acrobat before, it was horrible

[turbid shuttle]

letting it go unpunished enables it to happen again and creates the precedent that you won't be punished for taking harassment to this degree

[deep shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195111357046071439/1363829141945712702/caption.gif

[silver zinc]

💀

[frail niche]

ok but youre just assuming now?

[light blaze]

@turbid shuttle

[analog dune]

"harassment" for memeing is mad blud, if you gonna assume every person participated meant harm, that's a crazy assumption

[lilac hazel]

Hello 19kss can I . you

[analog dune]

guilty before proven innocent is the worst mentality you could have

[silver zinc]

fax

[turbid shuttle]

what's worse is that it gets to a degree where people end up doing harm without even knowing it

[deep shale]

i love selvut so in order to show my love for him i named the new unit of dps after him

[analog dune]

welcome to the internet and being an adult, im not obligated to babysit selvut

[plush raven]

Dawg if selvut is suffering harm, whether physical or mental, from a meme on a discord server, they gotta step back from it

[young iron]

I think it’s interesting that you guys are defending selvut so vehemently when there have been multiple similar incidents before that didn’t involve ct members and the mods didn’t seem to care. Memebard brought up the morph speech bubble gif, there’s also notg platform one and for a while everyone was making fun of skellybone for the guild crown forum post. Did post go on a mute rampage for any of those? No…

[silver zinc]

yeah i think it went too far when ppl on monumenta started using the forbidden unit

[plush raven]

Olinus dps

[turbid shuttle]

I did give a reason for why they were different

[lilac hazel]

You lived a good life

[honest vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779802032512958526/1360886152793428069/togif.gif

[lilac hazel]

👋

[young iron]

yeah but they aren’t

[analog dune]

nah cuh leave olinus outta this lmao he ain't said nothing wild

[turbid shuttle]

yeah someone posted about it on hsb forums too

[plush raven]

True...

[deep shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1187524997204426763/1213214522320359424/giphy_7.gif

[honest vale]

Cus its funny you were cracking down on this so hard

[light blaze]

@turbid shuttle Hey can we start rewarding those dont who mention the specific user? I would like to be rewarded with 5stx of le for my good behaviour.

[turbid shuttle]

check your mail in 4 business days

[silver zinc]

hi

[analog dune]

nope targeted harassment, time to mute u now

[light blaze]

thanks boss

[cunning igloo]

good boy award

[analog dune]

ppl lowkey abuse the word "targeted harassment" sm, is that a canned response they supposed to give or smth

[fair orchid]

it’s the scale bc nothing else reached this scale

I don’t personally think much harm came of it though

And the harsh response was absolutely too harsh

[deep shale]

i got muted on mineplex once for repeated harassment

[fair orchid]

Indiscriminately muting people for just mentioning him

[light blaze]

good job

[fair orchid]

idk what happened there except the mods panicking

[autumn birch]

yea this is prolly what got it going even further tbh, like it wouldve died down but if people were getting punished for it to extremes it would just encourage them to revolt against it further

[fair orchid]

yeah yeah Streisand

[silver zinc]

yeah it started as haha stupid ct take

but ppl kept going just to fuck with the mods

[split sand]

You go after the memers and you'll just get memed even harder.

[silver zinc]

which is completely deserved imo

[fair orchid]

It’s funny how many ppl know about it

the original Streisand effect gets proven right even further the more ppl talk about it

[lilac hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/970251247376539689/1285273454542721065/togif.gif

[deep shale]

i love mr streisands mansion

[fair orchid]

it’s so peak

[fair orchid]

Ikr I looked it up today just to keep the Streisand effect true

[silver zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-eating-eating-eating-cat-gif-8459125914348971806

[analog dune]

ngl I don't see ppl phucking with someone for no reason what so ever

[fair orchid]

How were ppl messing with the mods though

[deep shale]

ngl i can see people doing that with selvut

[fair orchid]

I honestly didn’t see any of that

[autumn birch]

who is selvut i didnt know wh he even was before this siutation

[analog dune]

selvut got that hate since 2k18 we see it coming

[fair orchid]

Saying that the mod’s actions are like 1984 is not messing with them

[frail niche]

but they werent?

[split sand]

He's a member of the Content Team for many years

[light blaze]

@turbid shuttle can you unban thatchy. their ban was too harsh. please reconsider

[fair orchid]

same all I saw was unpopular ct opinion

[deep shale]

hes like a mascot for guild community

[fair orchid]

he flew too close to the sun…

[autumn birch]

yes but why hate, whatd he do

[lilac hazel]

CTRL+F from:heyzeer0 Selvut

[eager gull]

He has some interesting balancing ideas

[fair orchid]

it’s just the scale

[silver zinc]

ppl started replacing it with the adps:80000 info box code

and shit

[light blaze]

the sun flew too close to him

[fair orchid]

replacing what?

[civic fractal]

I did not expect me making a funny gif getting this big... 🤣

[silver zinc]

the unit

the forbidden unit

[fair orchid]

🔥

[lilac hazel]

✍️ another banger as always

[fair orchid]

I still don’t see how that messes with the mods…

[frail niche]

??? selvut thing wasnt even that big in scale

[analog dune]

there's change log and shi from the past, this guy got permission to balance mythics a few years back and made some questionable decisions. clearly some people disagreed

[fair orchid]

It absolutely was

That is just undeniable

[charred owl]

blud compend why are you here

[fair orchid]

It went to hsb, monumenta, even the annihilation pings server told us to get in here

[frail niche]

if you werent here for skelly incident

[silver zinc]

ppl were posting it just to mess with the admins

[outer sable]

supports keeping climbing helmet requirement

[frail niche]

and the fuckingd morph dps build guy

[silver zinc]

talking about it in roundabout ways to bait mutes

[frail niche]

gets posted almost daily in all channels

[fair orchid]

I don’t think the mods were super offended by people resisting their mutes

[fair orchid]

Yes I did that because I didn’t wanna get fucking muted

[silver zinc]

clearly some were

[lilac hazel]

Silex statue idol clears

Ngl icl

[autumn birch]

not sure, bored

[honest vale]

freshxd with the meteor client gif

[autumn birch]

so from what ive seen hes clearly not on great terms with teh head devs either dam

[analog dune]

ig suppressing opinions with fear does work pretty well

[fair orchid]

to be fair saying “the big s” means the same thing

[autumn birch]

at a huge cost of reputation, never worth it tbh

[lilac hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1144780928800014456/1170365735189626900/speechmemified_statue_idol.png.gif

[outer sable]

ya idk why selv gets coddled when nadorite gif being posted every day for months

[fair orchid]

They didn’t suppress any opinions, just changed the wording

[outer sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1174460344253567106/1289722554516246618/WynncraftMeme1.gif

[frail niche]

@turbid shuttle is that different?

[analog dune]

🤣 yall too good at it

[lilac hazel]

I really enjoyed playing the hellfire major id TBF and many people too it's just too bad it was removed

[fair orchid]

my goat nadorite

[lilac hazel]

Because of the implementation of the major id

[analog dune]

you gotta wait for them to return from the "internal discussion" so they can have the same agenda and canned responses & keywords

[autumn birch]

prolly some documentary out there on like youtube of like "Wynncraft's most hated CT..." or smth 😭
knowing how some creators operate

[turbid shuttle]

refer to my explanation here

[autumn birch]

idk ive never heard of bro before this tho

[lilac hazel]

Woah that couldn't be me

[frail niche]

how the fuck are any of these examples not in bad faith

do you not know what that means

[turbid shuttle]

taken out of context

[plush raven]

Wtf really?

[young iron]

if I fork ShowMeMyDps and rename it ShowMeMySelv will I get banned?

[autumn birch]

wait fr? LMFAOO

[honest vale]

dawg…

So i can make fun of the entirety of atlas inc and no one cares

[frail niche]

saying the 4 letters of a ct isnt any context

[split sand]

He also wanted the horse mount to be removed entirely at one point years ago.

[turbid shuttle]

saying "this is wynncrafts intended dps" does take out a lot of the context

[frail niche]

ok but

you didnt only mute people for that

now did you?

[fair orchid]

I can see why the mods would think this is targeted harassment now

[autumn birch]

i will say tho, coming from a ct that is a very misleading statement though
like as a role on the server you have to understand that what you say has consequences

[analog dune]

targeted harassment 🤓 ☝️

[silver zinc]

bro his takes are also out of context

[autumn birch]

like im not surprised a statement like that blew up

[silver zinc]

he has like 10 raid comps

[fair orchid]

idk why he even has the ct role if he isn’t actively on ct

I thought he was off ct

[plush raven]

I have a theory selvut is actually a god tier ragebaiter

[silver zinc]

which is 10 more than i expected but still bad

[autumn birch]

if it was ragebait no one wouldve gotten punished over it tbh

[plush raven]

I shall drop my proposition immedietly 🔥

[cunning igloo]

If it was ragebait the mods fell for it

[turbid shuttle]

should we only punish people who do an exact offense and allow people who tread the line to get away with perpetuating the problem

[fair orchid]

but I do agree, the fact that he said this as a ct REGARDLESS of the fact that it was a hypothetical is not good

[turbid shuttle]

there's probably a difference in opinion there

[young iron]

@turbid shuttle Please I need to know

[fair orchid]

Like a ct should never say smth like “I think that dps should be lowered to 100k dps” bc people will assume they have some influence over the game bc of the blue role

[turbid shuttle]

because then you get people asking "what's selvs" and then you get the gif, and then people get the idea that this is some take without the actual context of the situation

[fair orchid]

if they didn’t have ct role this would not be nearly as memed

[light blaze]

@turbid shuttle mute. excessive mod pings for an obvious answer.

[turbid shuttle]

probably not gonna lie

[frail niche]

Your implying context on people who dont hold that context

[analog dune]

mute asap, harassment towards moderator

[young iron]

yeah please don’t lie

[fair orchid]

insane

[turbid shuttle]

I think that you're giving people too much benefit of the doubt that they are talking about the topic completely innocently

[autumn birch]

ive been staff manager at a few small servers in the past but yea smth like this wouldve normally warranted a strike if they were to say smth so controversial like this, i cant help but look at the msg n see that it probably is ragebait

[fair orchid]

I don’t think selvut is active ct

If he was

This would be so much worse

[silver zinc]

this would just be another dude who doesn’t play the game and has no clue what he’s talking about

[fair orchid]

he really should just not have the role

[fair orchid]

Exactly

[autumn birch]

why does he

[frail niche]

Idk people can say that unit being selvuts ideal world dps without implying any wynncraft official statement and intended dps

[fair orchid]

No clue

but the blue role absolutely lends a sense of influence to anything he says which is the issue

[timid blade]

Nobody said it was? It literally had Selvut's name in it because it was Selvut's (very unpopular) take

[turbid shuttle]

but that's not what happened, when asked people would send the gif that states "wynncrafts intended dps baseline" or whatever

[fair orchid]

ppl will think he has influence over the game no matter what he said

[frail niche]

people literally got muted for typing the first 4 letters of his name

[silver zinc]

actually not true

[frail niche]

also the gif doesnt say that

[silver zinc]

the gif said it’s wynncraft ideal max dps acc to selvut

[frail niche]

it directly says "as judged by selvut"

[autumn birch]

was the original msg deleted i cant find it

[frail niche]

which is true?

[silver zinc]

yeah

[plush raven]

Oh hi zeer

[autumn birch]

shame rip

[cunning igloo]

That thing is a gif?

[lilac hazel]

Hi zeero

[silver zinc]

oh idk i was responding to bard

[cunning igloo]

Uh oh

[plush raven]

Uh oh

[autumn birch]

crazy how someone typing makes the channel go dead silent

[fair orchid]

Fr

[lilac hazel]

We are all awaiting for the grand reveal

[cunning igloo]

anticipation do be strong

[autumn birch]

even dongus stopped

[plush raven]

We cooked bro

[fair orchid]

gonna be 3 paragraphs of smth

I feel fear

[autumn birch]

bongus* mb

sorry gangy

not good iwthn names

[honest vale]

whenever i see zeer say WYNNCRAFT i cry tears of joy

[fair orchid]

I don’t think zeer is gonna say WYNNCRAFT

oh hey anyone remember that possum facts guy

what happened

[autumn birch]

zeer can u add wynncraft to teh start of ur msg rn, like to start us off

[cunning igloo]

Hey guys introducing new mod called showmemyselvut which renders a selvut on your screen telling you if your dps is ideal

[autumn birch]

good hook to your paragraph

[plush raven]

Uhh he must be "playing dead"

[fair orchid]

💀

Possumpog was the best of us

[plush raven]

Rip

[cunning igloo]

rip

[timid blade]

And you're not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt by assuming everyone joking about it has bad intentions and muting whoever made the slightest joke about it

[analog dune]

big paragraph incoming:

[cunning igloo]

big paragraph

[fair orchid]

yes the instant and indiscriminate mute of people saying selv was not peak

[plush raven]

Red name be infinitly scarier than orange name

We gon die

[analog dune]

that's pretty big gang

[fair orchid]

I get why mods felt they had to curb this situation but there was probably a better way

[cunning igloo]

the nuke is coming

[autumn birch]

thats it im making my name purple

[fair orchid]

ikr

[cunning igloo]

mobile typing is gonna make the paragraph 2 times spicier

[analog dune]

i like he's taking the sweet amount of time to type it in this channel, could've copy and pasted it but yknow

[fair orchid]

imagine zeer just doesn’t send it and we all never find out what it was

[analog dune]

it do let the vibe sink in

[fair orchid]

The dread is increasing every second this message goes unsent

[frail niche]

dread?

[cunning igloo]

Maybe it's an intimidation tactic

[frail niche]

free bro

[fair orchid]

gonna hit us like a bullet train

[young iron]

true!

[plush raven]

Zeer we see the fit stop aura farming bro

[fair orchid]

Nah let them cook

I gotta see this

[autumn birch]

purple

[timid blade]

This would be fair if this was what you guys did but it wasn't lmao. So many people you banned weren't treading the line or implying in anyway Selvut's opinion stood for the whole CT team. I remember Citied and so many others getting muted in front of me for just stating what a "selv" was (image of dps/80000)

[cunning igloo]

charging up my zeer

[timid blade]

It just wasn't what you guys did

[plush raven]

Incorrect buzzer

Wait nvm

[autumn birch]

erm

[lilac hazel]

Who up heying they zeero

[autumn birch]

thats aura btw

[cunning igloo]

schrodingers purple

[fair orchid]

Yeah I saw ppl get muted for sending a normal build with the 80k calculation pasted on top

[analog dune]

and that, is the fuel to this fire

[silk holly]

epic forums linking success

[light blaze]

@odd junco do u have the mods doing their job is not power tripping gif

[honest vale]

the wynnbuilder fork

[autumn birch]

heh

what can I say, im a supporter

thanks wynncraft

[fallen stone]

There is a point where if you see mods cracking down on stuff, it might not be the best time to make more jokes about it

[fair orchid]

that’s just not realistic

[light blaze]

Wow thanks. This is helpful

[fair orchid]

you can say that but ppl will not stop lol

[cunning igloo]

Unstoppable humor

[plush raven]

You don't say

[fair orchid]

they’ll just go to different places

Which is indeed what happened

[timid blade]

Sure ig? But the argument was that the crackdown wasn't fair in the first place

[fallen stone]

Yeah but then you shouldn’t be surprised if they’re caught in the crossfire.
If people can’t read the room that’s their own problem

[fair orchid]

every Wynncraft discord I’ve seen has had ppl talking about this

[timid blade]

At least part of it

[cunning igloo]

Zeer been typing for like 9 minutes now

[honest vale]

the forbidden measurement will live on in guild chats and guild discords

[fair orchid]

blaming the ppl caught in the crossfire is crazy

[deep shale]

i just died in nol bc my build didnt do enough selvs

[timid blade]

God forbid those be bannable as well

[fair orchid]

Reality is that people shouldn’t have been muted just for saying “selv”

[civic fractal]

as well as monumenta and hsb

[fair orchid]

yes people could have read the room

but this shouldn’t have happened at all

[analog dune]

what's their combined selvs?

[fair orchid]

Mods are totally justified for muting ppl who take it too far but a lot of ppl muted did not take it too far

[timid blade]

🤯 ikr

[fair orchid]

plus muting people in game for saying it too

[honest vale]

ok but that shout recruitment was really funny but it probs was a step too far

[night berry]

what a disappointment waking up randomly at 4 am to read this, we live in a world where people literally harass someone, get punished for doing so, and then wanna say they were censored as if they were innocent. Please, I do get some of your points but this is still the case and it was out of control, this is like you are lashing out on a random Microsoft employee. Selvut didn’t deserve the hate and neither represents wynncraft, they are also entitled of having an opinion even if they posses the CT role, always keep in mind that most CT are volunteers. What we read in the past day was like quite an absurd, went from full harassment to people spreading misinformation about how many people were punished, most people were simply muted for some small amount hours, only SPECIFIC cases got a harsher punishment

[fair orchid]

the in game part sucks bc there are definitely people who were not harassing anyone yet still got muted ingame

[autumn birch]

imo best way to go about this situation is literally to jusit make a small statement if the statement wasnt even true

"Hey guys, just wanted to let you all know that the message sent by this CT was not actually intended and is not part of wynncraft's intention or the direction that the game is headed in. The CT in question has been dealt with accordingly, no need to worry. This message is to clear up any ongoing confusion going on at the moment"

[plush raven]

Screenshot of it?

[cunning igloo]

yay it dropped

[autumn birch]

didnt start with wynncraft 😔

[honest vale]

idk where it is atp

[frail niche]

this started in ask ims btw

just want to set that straight

[timid blade]

Who's gonna tell him no one was hating on Selvut lol

Memeing on someone for a bad opinion ≠ hating

[fair orchid]

I think lying about “dealing with” selvut would only make it worse

[plush raven]

We don't hate selvut, and shame on people who took it any further than a joke

[autumn birch]

i mean theres a p good chance hes already been talked to about it

[analog dune]

☝️

[autumn birch]

theres no way hes just going around with no one bringing it up

[fair orchid]

if anyone here hates selvut and joined the meme just bc of it then that’s just not ok

[civic fractal]

selvut makes actually fire music

[hidden leaf]

the harassing is definitely bad yeah but the majority of people literally just joked about it

[fair orchid]

Yeah

[plush raven]

Real!

[civic fractal]

the great race my beloved

[fair orchid]

you can’t just put a blanket statement acting like nobody who got punished was innocent

Plenty of innocent people got punished

[night berry]

I absolutely can understand that, but the line between these is too slim, it was legitimately out of control

[fair orchid]

That’s my issue

[honest vale]

i think most of it is also from class build and dps brainrot

[median locust]

this channel is for sure interesting to lurk in

[honest vale]

and a new weird measurement is just funny

[night berry]

and as I said, most people got muted for a few hours simply to address the situation which is a light punishment, it’s like being shushed

[frail niche]

Yeah but its weird how inconsistent this ruling is

[fair orchid]

but should ppl who were completely innocent even get a shush

[frail niche]

If you wanna take a hard stance on this kind of bullying then it shouldnt be just to protect selvut

[autumn birch]

i thought it wouldve been a funny inside joke within wynncraft for a couple of weeks then die down but mods locked down on it completely apparently?

[fair orchid]

yeah

[timid blade]

Someone pull up with the dps build that relies on heals

[analog dune]

if you gonna frame joking as harassment that's really spinning the narrative innit, you accuse them of "harassment" but how does that assumption really hold up.

[fair orchid]

This kind of thing is extremely common in Wynncraft

[median locust]

anyway personally i dont think its a good idea to joke about smth (even lightly) when the person involved clearly shows discomfort but i do agree that some mutes shouldve just been a warning

[young iron]

.

[fair orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779802032512958526/1360886152793428069/togif.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779802032512958526/1359722739925258471/watermark.gif

[honest vale]

the streisand strikes again

[dreamy rose]

thank you for revealing yourself. an eurofighter typhoon is on its way to your location as we speak.

[cunning igloo]

Not him bro

[honest vale]

in aeq there used to be a dps measurement called a "jedi" of dps

it was 30k

[fair orchid]

Ok true

That was

[autumn birch]

this lowk reminds me of the beabadoobea thing with nba youngboy opera LMFAO

[fair orchid]

Justified

[cunning igloo]

I still have memories of the antikythera thread, so glorious it was

[timid blade]

When will we have a hotaga (total damage of a hotaga spell cycle)

[plush raven]

Wynners who can build vs wynners who can't buils

[fair orchid]

Obviously the reason for the harsh response is the scale, but I don’t think scale is a good justification to blanket mute people

[honest vale]

erm thats in the millions buddy

[fair orchid]

I can’t believe that guy was serious

[honest vale]

my skill knows no bounds..

[frail niche]

is saying just a lil consu to help me survive harrasment?

[fair orchid]

That message trying to report me was like a slap in the face

I just was not expecting that

[civic fractal]

1 hotaga is 200k dps

[fair orchid]

It was so funny

[timid blade]

How come no one in that thread got banned for "harassment" lmao

[night berry]

I hear you, but this isnt particularly relevant to the topic, so sure, maybe we could apply same logic to every case, but it wont change what already happened making it irrelevant to this talk in specific. It could be its own topic at some point

[civic fractal]

that's how much you be dealing on greg

[fair orchid]

Bc no one thought it was a serious thread

[honest vale]

slander

[civic fractal]

truth

[honest vale]

why is everyone hating on my damage after i play quetz arca

[timid blade]

Exactly and neither was literally just measuring dps in selvs

[honest vale]

😔

[autumn birch]

is this actually not allowed rn

[fair orchid]

It only got locked bc the guy revealed he was serious and tried to get it back on topic

[timid blade]

I think it is now since it died down but yes during the mute wave it was mutable

[autumn birch]

thats crazy

[fair orchid]

I mean I don’t think it’s irrelevant, it was a very bad response that worsened the entire situation and it should just not happen again

[lilac hazel]

We should use 1 Wynncraftillion as a unit of measurement (uses the current player base x 1M)

[analog dune]

ngl all that muting kinda did the opposite didn't it, instead of silencing people, look what happened after. Perhaps a valuable lesson for the management to rethink the way they handle this sort of things.

[fair orchid]

Idk about rn but just saying those 4 letters could get you muted

[night berry]

that is your view on it, I can respect that

[fair orchid]

streisand yea

[autumn birch]

"yeah bro my wynncraftillion fluctuates daily stop asking how much I do"

[lilac hazel]

Examples of usage: Oh my DPS is 0.0003 Wynncraftillion DPS during GMT+0 7:00pm

[fair orchid]

Yeah I mean I don’t really care about harping on it too hard if it doesn’t happen again

[frail niche]

Well i think it warrants the outrage a little when you suddenly get punished for doing something that mods and cts have participated in in the past cause its suddenly about someone who it isnt okay for

[fair orchid]

I’m sure mod team knows

[autumn birch]

zeer0, 1 free store crate and it never even happened fr

[lilac hazel]

I'm only doing 0.000018 Wynncraftillion DPS today idk why maybe it's the lag

[analog dune]

double standards much

[lilac hazel]

I think this has way too many decimals

Wynncrafthousand

Should be better

[deep shale]

megawynncraft

[fair orchid]

I do not think the harsh response was just bc it was selvut

it was pretty obviously bc of the large scale

[timid blade]

Guys I just had a revolutionary idea. What if instead of writing out all the extra zeros we can abbreviate 1000 dps to 1k

[analog dune]

nah it ain't, at that point it wasn't about selvut anymore

[autumn birch]

roblox game special 🙏

[fair orchid]

Wtf? You’re crazy

[tawny valve]

https://tenor.com/view/3take-it-or-leave-it-three-take-it-or-leave-it-sbs-patrick-gif-15037514

[deep shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1265282484200018000/1285402019842228265/attachment.gif

[lilac hazel]

I'm doing about 0.8killion dps

[timid blade]

One in a krillion numbers...

[autumn birch]

im really hoping this guy is typing on mobile

[tawny valve]

Fell asleep probs

Zzzzz

[fair orchid]

The wolf stays silent when the lion speaks…

https://tenor.com/view/lion-lion-mentality-stare-anything-that-speaks-small-dog-gif-15965921308779714815

[timid blade]

🥶

[night berry]

What I want only you all to understand is that a line was crossed by some people and was unacceptable; They got harsher punishments, but some other players started to scale the situation even further complaining about these punishments being “censure” which made even more people start joking about it as a weird act of defiance without understanding the gravity of the situation, alongside people just surfing on the trend, these only got a light mute

[autumn birch]

i wanna say a joke abt this but its prolly too soon 😭

[fair orchid]

Yeah I assumed the harsh response was bc of people taking it too far

did they try to dm Selvut or smth

[lilac hazel]

Rawfish made a fork of wynnbuilder that calculated the damage using the "selv" unit

[fair orchid]

Yeah I don’t think that’s a crossed line

[lilac hazel]

And got perm banned + denied appeal

[fair orchid]

oh

wtf

[tawny valve]

Thats was just straight up funny

[analog dune]

that's wack

[timid blade]

Genuinely curious, would you have done this for a normal server member? If they had a bad take and got memed on?

It's not like it hasn't happened before. Antikythera thread was nothing in comparison to the hate mishka got in the past

[autumn birch]

did you see what i said earlier about a statement, its only spreading rn cause some ppl are lost as to what even happened so the topic is naturally just going to be spread around
just bring up a statement saying that message doesn't have anything to do with wynncraft and its game direction

[fair orchid]

how is that an unacceptable crossed line

[lilac hazel]

Actually I was unsure if it was a perm ban

But I couldn't be bothered to check

[honest vale]

it was a perm mute

[fair orchid]

insane

[lilac hazel]

Yea perm mite

[fair orchid]

ok that’s too far

[timid blade]

^

Not even in the game 😭

[viral lichen]

thought it was just perm mute?

[tawny valve]

For something outside wynn yikes

[cunning igloo]

Getting perm muted for memeing is incredible

[fair orchid]

Making a fork that uses selvs as a unit is not “a line crossed by some people that is unacceptable”

[lilac hazel]

It might have been I just clarified that I wasn't sure if it was ban or mute which later someone corrected me

[fair orchid]

I assumed zeer meant stuff like dms or genuine hate/anger

[viral lichen]

yea denied though is crazy 😭

[lilac hazel]

Yep

[fair orchid]

and yeah wtf he got denied

[night berry]

not sure if it reached that, but there was genuine hate, threats, etc

[fair orchid]

ok yeah that makes sense

but ppl doing goofy shit like making a wynnbuilder version with selvs as a unit should not be lumped in with that 😭

Perma muted with no appeal lmao

[dawn glade]

perhaps a proper appeal should be made and not trying to justify it

🤷

that would perhaps help

[cunning igloo]

🥶

[fair orchid]

I mean I’m not the one making the appeal, idk what his appeal was

[viral lichen]

[analog dune]

guys I think he want the appeal to just be kneeling down and beg

[lilac hazel]

Idk what was said in the appeal either but I don't think he should have been perm muted in the first place

[cunning igloo]

permamute is not justified in the first place

[autumn birch]

yea idk abt this msg yo

[viral lichen]

it wasnt for saying anything idt

[night berry]

That is kind bards point, he says that situations like this happened in the past but handling was lighter, I cannot personally talk about these since I genuinely don’t remember, but to my view yes it should, we do have strong rules about harassment

[viral lichen]

just making it

[fair orchid]

I’m only saying that genuine hate should not have received a similar punishment to someone who made selvs a unit in a wynnbuilder fork

[median locust]

purely out of curiosity, is the wynnbuilder fork even the reason why they got muted

i do recall rawfish saying other stuff when the selvut incident happened

[night berry]

That is implied and would have the opposite effect, people would then think it’s fine to joke about selvut thing

[viral lichen]

no idea but I just assumed thats why

[young iron]

How come no one from Avo was banned/muted when they make multiple forum posts clowning on Skellybones guild crown thread or was that just jolly shitposting instead of targeted harassment?

[frail niche]

it was

[fair orchid]

The wynnbuilder link sent some minutes ago was removed

So it tracks

[median locust]

o damn

[honest vale]

one builder to rule them all

[autumn birch]

i feel like whether mods like it or not the selv dps thing is going to last another week, they physically cant control that itll happen on other platforms that are not wynncrafts main thing but releasing a statement would show the community that you are not antagonizing them as well but including them in which is very important here. some people are genuinely scared fo mentioning it in fear of a punishment, thats really not the way it should be

[viral lichen]

this was the mute reason

[lilac hazel]

Words from Rawfish: I didn't say anything else when it happened, I just posted one link and that's it lol

[fair orchid]

I can understand their anger considering how disproportionate the punishment was

[night berry]

the wynnbuilder thing was just helping perpetuating the joke and scaling it up, did it deserve a perm mute? Idk I would need to check what actually happened there

[cunning igloo]

I find it interesting that you appeal to the mod that muted you

[tawny valve]

Other mod should read the appeal instead of the mod that muted you ngl

[timid blade]

Wasn't that the entire controversy over Duat's video and ban

I thought the system would've been reworked by now

[fair orchid]

Dude he did not make the link to target and harass a community member as an intention

like what

[cunning igloo]

No idea, I was not in the community during that time period

[young iron]

No I prefer the police also acting as the judge jury and executioner

[tawny valve]

Lmaoo

[turbid shuttle]

it wasn't

[tawny valve]

Bongus.

[honest vale]

in a feedback post on bans this was something that was also talked about but i dont think the moderation ever backed down on changing it

[fair orchid]

Insane

[turbid shuttle]

but also I agree with shadows verdict

[honest vale]

it was a while ago

[timid blade]

His video dedicated a decent portion to mentioning the fact that the person who appeals your ban was the one who decided to ban you in the first place

[toxic hull]

Man i did not look at wynncord 1 day and a fucking Meme was created, and a lot of drama

[tender lark]

I feel that if Moderators just tried handling it by conveying their point of view instead of handing out mutes instantly it wouldn't have escalated

[honest vale]

(main arguement for it is that the mod who banned knows most about the case)

[toxic hull]

I have such a bad timing in life

[honest vale]

i remember u asked me about it yesterday but i forgot to reply

[fair orchid]

A perma mute for creating a wynnbuilder fork??

Yes it fed into the drama but why such a large response

[toxic hull]

Wanna Kinda need to be updated, send some info in dm because apparently People are getting muted for Saying it in public (?)

[fair orchid]

I understand rawfish getting punished but not permanently muted

[cunning igloo]

damn

[night berry]

The mute is not permanent, this is just back to how wynncraft punishments work lmao which is another talk

[tender lark]

I'm serious when I say at least half of the people that ended up getting muted didn't have any intention of harassing anyone. They just saw other people get muted for it and thought it was ridiculous and therefore made memes regarding it etc.

[light blaze]

@visual cipher heyyyyyyyy

[viral lichen]

yea and its happened before where like appeals get ignored for long periods of time due to the mod going busy right after (mostly for bans though)

[timid blade]

A Wynnbuilder fork does not constitute as harrassment I'm ngl

[gilded moon]

damn searching it lead me to here
Does it get you muted for saying it ingame

-# sounds obvious but anyway

[fair orchid]

yeah a harsh response by mods in a discord server will usually lead to this lol

[tender lark]

it's always like this and they never learn from it

[lilac hazel]

Yes

some people have been muted for 24-48h some, banned

[gilded moon]

🤧

[fair orchid]

oh that’s weird

[cunning igloo]

wynncraft moderation is amazing how did they make this

[tawny valve]

Change how appealing works (add more mods that read the appeal and not just the same one that did the punishment) , get rid of the guy that always starts shit instead of muting everyone 😭

[dawn glade]

the mute is appealable, he just has to make a proper appeal

[lilac hazel]

He didn't even say anything in the appeal

[young iron]

you mean he has to say that you were right and he is sorry?

[lilac hazel]

You denied him instantly from what it looks like

[tender lark]

True .

[night berry]

their appeal was simply denied because they refused to acknowledge the reason they got punished, it’s still appealable just need to do it properly, in the meanwhile they stay muted

[timid blade]

He didn't do much wrong? Thought all non-harrassment mutes that merely escalated but had no bad intentions were temporary

[shut skiff]

nah i gotta be real raw fish isn’t being smart in that appeal you could just apologize even if you don’t think you did anything wrong it’s not that hard

[autumn birch]

its very inconvenient for it to genuinely be used as a dps measurement, i feel like its common sense that it wouldve fallen off after a week but i feel like it was far too severely dealt with, it just reduced people's perceptions of moderators on the server which is arguably worse

[tawny valve]

Dont forget to kneel and bow

[night berry]

reading 0/100 here hahaha

just read the embed

[frail niche]

Ok but you also agreed earlier that the perma mute didnt seem warranted

[night berry]

#guild_community message

[timid blade]

~3/10 ragebait

Who fell for that

[tender lark]

it's always about having to apologize, mods almost never care to understand your point of view they just want to hear 'im sorry and I won't do it again'

[lilac hazel]

I did and I don't see anything wrong with it because I agree

[shut skiff]

yeah

[tender lark]

It's stupid honestly

[autumn birch]

wdym

[lilac hazel]

I also meant in the channel

[timid blade]

The fork was, the fact that he got muted and his appeal denied for such a clear attempt at a joke is beyond me

[autumn birch]

o yea

[tender lark]

You can't argue with moderators because they just refuse to hear you out

It's so annoying

[tawny valve]

Facts

[autumn birch]

i thought u were sayuing my msg was ragebait 😭

[tender lark]

And I hope this can change sometime

[fair orchid]

I wouldn’t be very inclined to “recognize my actions” if I got punished so hard for making a fucking fork of wynnbuilder

[outer sable]

Just to reiterate for clarity: their appeal was denied because they completely sidestepped the actual reason they were punished. Ignoring the issue doesn’t magically reverse the outcome. Yes, it’s still appealable — they just have to do it properly, which means addressing the reason for the punishment instead of pretending it doesn’t exist.

Until then, they’ll remain muted. Actions have consequences. Shocking, I know. 😌

[timid blade]

Oh lmao

[fair orchid]

we are talking about the fact that it’s disproportionate, not that they deserved a mute

[lilac hazel]

A lot of people here agrees with muting him in the first place is undeserving?

[deep shale]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[shut skiff]

can we stop talking about about selvut and start posting sqm gifs instead ngl

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351607140875374675/1364794191506575360/image.gif?ex=680af723&is=6809a5a3&hm=1b9eb8bc9acbb902fee3eb07bff19a7fb04abb900ec22eb099f0003086b9b074&

[lilac hazel]

Perm muting*

[timid blade]

Yeah temp mute understandable

[fair orchid]

I understand the light mute bc yeah it’s like a “shush”

[fair orchid]

why did he get hit so hard

[tender lark]

@dawn glade you have to try to understand where rawfish is coming from. I totally agree that what he did was stupid but from his point of view he was just being funny, no intention of harassing anyone

[cunning igloo]

How it feels to spread misinformation
🐬 💦

[dreamy rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1292932193483493378/1359804422519001209/etkwisass.gif

[lilac hazel]

I love how only the mods and dev reacted to it 🔥

[frail niche]

hey man sometimes people give their real opinion instead of just being a suckup

[fair orchid]

Yeah this was the reason given, do you genuinely think he made the fork with the intention of targeting and harassing selvut

[timid blade]

The punishment didn't fit the action in the first place. So many people who were just trolling received temp mutes. I'd hate having to apologize just to appeal a punishment I didn't deserve

[dawn glade]

the perm mute is because the fork will need to be taken down (and confirmed that its taken down) in the appeal before we are willing to unmute him

[deep shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1351607140875374675/1364794191506575360/image.gif?ex=680af723&is=6809a5a3&hm=1b9eb8bc9acbb902fee3eb07bff19a7fb04abb900ec22eb099f0003086b9b074&=&width=1172&height=872

[shut skiff]

never use selvs again or your guild will never hold any territories, just like sqm

[cunning igloo]

fun is not allowed

[fair orchid]

ok what

[autumn birch]

hate to say this but this qualifies if the punishment was valid in the first place, the main argument here is that the punishment was invalid. you shouldn't have to appeal an undeserving punishment and acknowledge something that wasn't deserved

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with either side but im just mentioning what the argument is at hand

[timid blade]

😭 😭

No way

[lilac hazel]

Does anyone actually agree with this besides your own team

[timid blade]

🥀

[tender lark]

don't instantly close the ticket then? Tell him that and let him respond

[deep shale]

etkw has been banished into the selv realm

[tawny valve]

Lmaoooo what

[fair orchid]

you want someone to take down a website outside of Wynncraft discord made for a joke or they will be muted??

[lilac hazel]

I find these 3 images to be the funniest thing ever

[timid blade]

Just to reiterate

[dawn glade]

i closed it early yeah thats my bad. However the point still stands.

[silk holly]

erm

[fair orchid]

I understand not wanting rawfish to share the link but you want him to actually take down the fork?

[cunning igloo]

speechbubble material

[deep shale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=SELV

[fair orchid]

Insane

Absolutely insane

[autumn birch]

this too, yeah thats like punishing someone for a reddit post icl 😭

[timid blade]

Again, to reiterate

[tender lark]

I mean if the website is linked to Wynncraft somehow

[autumn birch]

reddit post NOT on wynncraft forums*

[light blaze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969959961591443507/1364877067744706602/watermark.gif

[cunning igloo]

yes I deal 5 extra low voltages of damage

[fair orchid]

not wanting this fork shared is reasonable, wanting it taken down is an overreach

[tawny valve]

Well well well

[tender lark]

I can just tell which moderator wrote that LOL

[autumn birch]

is wynnbuilder owned by wynncraft

[toxic hull]

This channel is starting spiring down into oblivion

[shut skiff]

no…

[astral ermine]

isnt that like what matters lol, mods do mod stuff the community doesnt do mod stuff

[fair orchid]

you could get rawfish to promise not to share it in Wynncraft discord, anything more is just insanely unreasonable

[timid blade]

Btw John B was not involved in this, I only put his name in the image to show that it came from an official mod

Wanted to make that clear

[shut skiff]

i love john bleu

[gilded moon]

hppeng the former AIn owner
-# now chief and dev

[honest vale]

no hating on john bleu

[shut skiff]

he’d never mute for forwarding a message

[deep shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/970873249372176447/1058023418248826880/image0-25-1-1.gif

[silk holly]

is @late edge safe

[shut skiff]

ofc

[outer sable]

Hey Rawfish69 🐟,

Big fan of fish, not so much of copyright infringement. Your "wynnbuilder" site? Yeah... it’s giving “cease and desist speedrun” energy. 💅

Consider this your official-unofficial warning: take it down before the digital hammer comes swinging. You can build, sure — but maybe not off someone else’s IP, yeah?

Tick tock, Rawfish. 🕰️ The net’s closing in.

With love and legal vibes,
The Internet Police (aka not actually, but maybe soon™)

[tender lark]

...

[light blaze]

🐟

[fair orchid]

lmao

[plush raven]

Alr bro

[lilac hazel]

Community finds it outrageous this man got a perm mute + insta denied

[fair orchid]

This is indeed a ridiculous overreach

[astral ermine]

no lol

[toxic hull]

No

[lilac hazel]

He made a fork of it (his own version)

[fair orchid]

Especially with this

[autumn birch]

someone mentioning smth on twitch that youtube doesnt like so then they ban that guy off of youtube 🥀

[frail niche]

fish makes nori tho right

[honest vale]

yea

[astral ermine]

community find a lot of stuff outrageous ngl this aint the first time and wont be the last

[lilac hazel]

Yes

[lusty chasm]

Yeah I forgor

[toxic hull]

This is 100% wrong in many many many ways

[lilac hazel]

I have never seen so much unity from the community in agreeing with this

[astral ermine]

what lmao

[silk holly]

flying kick removal

[lilac hazel]

Police beats people up all the time do you really think people don't revolt lol

[fair orchid]

I cannot believe Shadow expects this

[tender lark]

I don't think it is

[deep shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/412373201063247873/1228021655276752937/ee80a0578bb33188e8f30b560417b1752c548a5aa27efa26cf9b60b483f26c8b.gif

[astral ermine]

ive seen way more unity from other stuff

[fair orchid]

It is LITERALLY an overreach

[lilac hazel]

Is there someone you forgot? 🐄

[outer sable]

imaybe "7stx" mishka

[deep shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1096167361775665233/1272550677985362082/standard_4-1.gif

[shut skiff]

you wouldn’t believe what sqm gif is on the ceiling

[timid blade]

That experience was fire ngl

[tender lark]

It is very clearly to significant interest to them

[honest vale]

@dreamy glade go back to raiding bum

[deep shale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-worm-cat-worm-catworm-ai-generated-gif-11758626355945811640

[toxic hull]

Last time i think it was, miskha situation

[astral ermine]

fr

[fair orchid]

Do not try to compare this shit to pedophilia or doxxing

do not

[toxic hull]

That i again missed it

[autumn birch]

its not under their jurisdiction tho

[deep shale]

mishka situation was crazy

[astral ermine]

@dreamy glade queue rn lil bro

[tender lark]

I mean it's almost there lowkey

[tawny valve]

Longass gif

[toxic hull]

Man i was sleeping when it all crashed down

[fair orchid]

HAHAHAAHA

[autumn birch]

broski waht

this is the craziest take ive seen today

[timid blade]

Compared to the given examples of pedophilia and doxxing idt a joke fork that no one realistically was def an overreach

Again, a temp mute is understandable, but a perm one and a denied appeal isn't imo

[light blaze]

?

[deep shale]

i was one of the first to get muted 😭

[tender lark]

My bad that was a joke

[autumn birch]

ts was not a joke

[astral ermine]

wheres good110 when you need him

[timid blade]

Oh

[fair orchid]

you think making a fucking joke site is even close to equivalent to pedophilia

[fair orchid]

Dude

[cunning igloo]

wdym man creating a fork of wynn builder meant for joking about an opinion is targeted harassment and is hurting feelings of a vip

[shut skiff]

cooking up the next rage bait in constructive feedback

[astral ermine]

@hollow temple whats your opinion on the situation

[toxic hull]

A perma mute is not understandable when you are targetting a fork of something that is outside of wynncord

[toxic hull]

Neither a temp mute imo

[fair orchid]

And even if this message didn’t exist, trying to get someone to take down a fork so they can get unbanned in a discord is stupid. Asking rawfish to promise not to share the link is reasonable, this is not.

[deep shale]

i got perma banned from wynncraft once for naming my alt catgirlkeldorn

[tender lark]

Tuff

[shut skiff]

lmao?

[fair orchid]

lol even

[astral ermine]

bro stop posting the image lmao we've all seen it like 20 times from you now

[deep shale]

(keldorn did not like that name)

[timid blade]

I mistyped, meant to say it def was

[autumn birch]

yes i was going to mention this but forgot, they couldve asked him to not share the link ON WYNNCRAFT PLATFORMS but taking down the fork is out of their power

[astral ermine]

just say the words not post the image for the 10th time

[fair orchid]

I am so very sorry

[fair orchid]

yes

[astral ermine]

wait is that actually perm bannable

[cunning igloo]

What are we arguing about, the mods are gone

[deep shale]

we dont moderate anything outside of official wynncraft platforms unless it is of significant interest to us (pedophillia, doxxing, etc)

[deep shale]

the ban is until you change your ign

[frail niche]

its ban until namechange

[shut skiff]

tomfoolery

[astral ermine]

oh thats not a perm then zzz

[fair orchid]

They left when John b’s message was posted 😭

[outer sable]

we dont moderate anything outside of official wynncraft platforms unless it is of significant interest to us (pedophillia, doxxing, etc)

[timid blade]

😭 🙏

[cunning igloo]

We literally just repeating stuff now 🥺

[split sand]

Who's John B?

[ashen burrow]

Broken record 🤤

[deep shale]

how r ppl getting like 1 SELV?
im using freedom and getting 0.1-0.2 SELV which i thought was good until i got smashed in a duel. i'm running an agi + dex heavy build rn with everything else split evenly

[honest vale]

i love echochamber..

[lusty chasm]

🐟 is still banned here?

[fair orchid]

I think btdmaster will get angry if I post the image again 😔

[shut skiff]

@chilly zealot would YOU mute rawfish for his sins?

[tender lark]

12 hour

[deep shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773108055558455296/997226977805205504/keldorn_2.gif

[astral ermine]

@honest vale where shiso and why isnt he raiding... u guys are gonna get mogged by aeq at this rate

[split sand]

I know the image, but who is that John B fellow?

[fair orchid]

Moderator

[split sand]

ah ok

[astral ermine]

yeah im furious

rn

[frail niche]

hes literally in raid

[honest vale]

😔

[astral ermine]

oh nice

doing gods work

[fair orchid]

I will apologize as many times as it takes 😔

[cunning igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-moderator-moderator-discord-hello-discord-mod-gif-16294457176167761864

[honest vale]

im busy with exams, i dont got time for raid no more

[frail niche]

live shiso cam

[deep shale]

saved

[shut skiff]

kicked from seq how dare you not finish 40 raids a day

[toxic hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011293622378958999/1111740064603570298/image_2.gif

[outer sable]

DIAMONDHUNT???

[astral ermine]

100*

[fair orchid]

I love repeating the same stuff!!!

[frail niche]

targeted harrasment?

[honest vale]

guys inactivity rules in seq are very lenient

[night berry]

Oops sorry guys, got distracted, just as clarification the wynnbuilder thing falls into technicality, it’s a platform directly related to wynncraft that uses our resources (api information, and others) and in this case is viewed as “spreading harassment”, so we do reach it

[deep shale]

https://tenor.com/view/spoingus-pass-the-tuna-down-gif-21178537

[outer sable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/262010576295821312/880008255391293490/image0.gif

[shut skiff]

❌❌❌❌❌❌

[astral ermine]

me when i lie

[honest vale]

they said they didint have an issue with me leaving the game untill july

[night berry]

it’s like you made a cheat specifically for wynncraft and got banned for doing so

[cunning igloo]

wynnbuilder fork is a harassment weapon confirmed

[night berry]

we would request you to restringe access to it before getting unbanned

[autumn birch]

isnt the api information available to the public

[fair orchid]

That just seems like mods are reaching for any justification they can to stop this

[astral ermine]

essentuan reference

[cunning igloo]

What a comparison

[deep shale]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[ashen burrow]

Hell yeah we love managing hiatuses

[honest vale]

its truly tiring 😔

anyway bye for now i have been procrastinating

[fair orchid]

Genuinely if that link is no longer shared in this discord then what is the problem

[toxic hull]

Oh god this message will not be taken nicely by the community
🍿

[astral ermine]

get back to raiding...

[shut skiff]

@thorny bluff you are hopping on for seq 1 con TODAY

[night berry]

The information is indeed public but still under our user agreement and in reach

[shut skiff]

trust we will have a team

[molten mountain]

is he still playing monumenta

[silk holly]

what da vo doing

[plush raven]

I don't actually use the api i have a little homunculus that references the item site in real time

[molten mountain]

or did he get permabanned lol

[toxic hull]

After he got unbanned, he was then banned again

[cunning igloo]

me after I have to find a reason to justify permamute after john b message was posted

[astral ermine]

for what

the same thing?

[fair orchid]

it’s still outside of Wynncraft though, is it not? Or are you counting it as inside Wynncraft for this case

[gilded moon]

wait why is wynnbuilder mentioned for this 🥴

[toxic hull]

Yeha

[lilac hazel]

Watching HeyZeer0 justifying giving a person who made a fork of wynnbuilder the same level of punishment as someone who sent death threats

[astral ermine]

lmao aint no way

[toxic hull]

Oh wait no, saying the N word

[ionic garden]

wait what

[toxic hull]

multiple times

[timid blade]

Even if it was a technicality the moderation team thought it over and decided it was fair to enforce it for such a fringe joke case?

[fair orchid]

Rawfish got banned for making a fork that used selvs instead of dps

[lusty chasm]

Is it illegal for using wynnbuilder?...

[molten mountain]

I feel like the more mods ban these the worse it gets

[gilded moon]

e

[obsidian otter]

Rawfish made a fork of wynnbuilder that used "selv" as units of measuring dps

[ionic garden]

OH LAMO

[astral ermine]

oh damn didnt know diamon was built like that

[ionic garden]

💀

[gilded moon]

Amazing

[cunning igloo]

It is now illegal to use selvbuilder

[ionic garden]

o/ hi breen

[cunning igloo]

omg baldedge

[fair orchid]

Exactly, why reach for a technicality

[night berry]

I mean I’m not saying this atitude is adequate or proper to the situation, I’m just reasoning about why it is done, it’s just part of the same procedure

[autumn birch]

but then by that logic if someone makes a youtube video and you guys dont like it can you ban them off of the server unless they take it down or would that be different, im lowkey confused now

[fair orchid]

yeah that makes sense

[obsidian otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/990146984772010035/1052294866513690766/caption-4.gif

[ionic garden]

you should totally watch sugos latest vid

[astral ermine]

i mean if it was like a fruma leak sure why not no?

[fair orchid]

rawfish should really be unbanned without having to take down the site

[autumn birch]

yeah but thats leaking information that isnt public, this is public i mean

[night berry]

no death threats would grantee you a ban

[frail niche]

oh so i should delete that video?

[ionic garden]

i think it would be very funny in this context

[fair orchid]

Requiring rawfish to take down the site before being unmuted is insane

[astral ermine]

memebard u were supposed to keep quiet...

🤐

[timid blade]

I can somewhat understand the reasoning in the moment but will any moderators address concerns that the decision might've not been so fair in hindsight?

[night berry]

dude I just had a dejavu

[frail niche]

i will delete the video if you make rusted anchor

or loot bonus alchemy

[night berry]

isn’t it the second time this situation happens lol

[frail niche]

pick one

[astral ermine]

latter i can do

[copper cave]

Massive W

[toxic hull]

Yeha it's the second time

[astral ermine]

NOT doing the former

[lilac hazel]

@thatchy

[silver zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-war-thunder-war-cat-war-gif-4929875301120562890

[fair orchid]

The John B image says stuff outside of Wynncraft will only be taken action against on the level of pedophila and doxxing. I don’t think most people will say that wynnbuilder is a part of Wynncraft

[frail niche]

when are ing master forms open

[lilac hazel]

Thatchy got banned for "constantly rage baiting"

[lusty chasm]

Disagree with all his effort for Mandarin speakers like this...

[lilac hazel]

Is this the same level as death threats

[astral ermine]

erm u missed ur chance buddy

[lilac hazel]

Heyzeer0

[lusty chasm]

Little disappointed

[timid blade]

Apparently using the API counts because you're agreeing to some conditions when using Wynncraft's data

[astral ermine]

i told u to apply in December...

[fair orchid]

Yeah he was just memeing

[cunning igloo]

And its definitely not on the same scale as actually harmful stuff

[fair orchid]

Yeah it’s a technicality but it’s definitely not justifiable

Just bc it technically can be removed doesn’t mean it should be

[night berry]

I have no idea who’s that and what they have done, can’t particularly answer this

[frail niche]

can i just get in through nepotism

[copper cave]

Is wynnbuilder associated with the wynn server in any way

[copper cave]

Like not related

[astral ermine]

maybe if atchziens was on ct

[night berry]

you mean, the decision of asking for the fork to be taken down?

[fair orchid]

I mean I doubt zeer is the one personally banning people lmao

[autumn birch]

my message got ignored 😔

[ionic garden]

idk man

[frail niche]

thats never happening

[night berry]

yeah I’m not lol

[light blaze]

Thatchy was NOT baiting, he is just an enlightened individual.

[toxic hull]

Ngl it's so sad that wynncraft community has such a bad interactions with a portion of the moderation team

In telos/monu, when these things happens they get solved really fast, maybe this happens only after a server become really big?

[copper cave]

It obviously not for your info

[astral ermine]

dont be so negative...

[ionic garden]

i think a site that shows weapons and items of the server is like is slightly related

just sayin

[copper cave]

But sadly they just happily ignore it and still do their desicions

[autumn birch]

i mentioned the solution to this earlier but it was rejected

[lilac hazel]

I'm just going by what the reason was given

[eager gull]

Almost like some mods are mute/ban happy

[astral ermine]

isnt there literally ongoing/constant problems with monu higherups lmao

[timid blade]

Partly this and partly the perm mute/denied appeal. Now that we're given information about why it was considered an infringement based on agreed & signed conditions, like I said I can somewhat understand the initial reasoning, but I don't believe this was communicated in the ban message

[fair orchid]

I’m gonna go but I very much hope that rawfish gets unmuted without having to take down the whole fork, shadow’s “requirement” is just a massive overreach

[copper cave]

Why tho

[toxic hull]

During my 8-10 months experience of monu it was all good and fine

[eager gull]

Shadow is a prime example

[copper cave]

Like I mean why can wynn mods "use take it down"

[fair orchid]

that’s why

[copper cave]

Ik ik

[copper cave]

As a tradeoff

[toxic hull]

Not updated with the current status

[eager gull]

The etc in question

[copper cave]

Makes 0 sense

[astral ermine]

maybe i just know too many people on monu ct and its all kept internal

[timid blade]

Because they made an agreement when using Wynncraft API which RawFish uses

Although I agree it's definitely stretching it

[copper cave]

Definitely stretching it

[night berry]

Mhm, i do get shadows point too, but i also definitely understand it was closed prematurely, which is something that should be addressed

[fair orchid]

earlier shadow said rawfish wasn’t unmuted bc he wouldn’t acknowledge his wrongdoings. However later he stated that he wanted a full removal of the fork or rawfish wouldn’t be unmuted

[light blaze]

free rawfish 😔

[eager gull]

Rawfish got cooked

[copper cave]

Don't think this all make any sense

[dawn glade]

it was closed because of the former, the latter is also part of it. its not one or the other. its both. I already have agreed that i closed the ticket prematurely, however the requirements for an unmute still stand and he is free to open a mute appeal ticket anytime for it.

[autumn birch]

the reason why it seems like its being stretched is because they are being punished on an unrelated platform

like if I sent a message on discord that was bad, and then got banned in-game for it instead its unjust

[toxic hull]

Yeha prob, at least me i did not notice anything bad or any huge controversial topics that was not solved fast, that is an huge good point

[eager gull]

Hi vency

[copper cave]

Well-done fish

[jagged shell]

msg from rawfish btw（he posted it earlier this time）

[fair orchid]

So even if he agrees he shouldn’t have shared around the link, he won’t be unbanned without taking down the fork?

[sly sphinx]

just a message from rawfish guys

[lilac hazel]

Was this communicated to him?

[timid blade]

My gripe was that it was lesso closed prematurely and moreso not communicate at all. If RawFish didn't know that he broke the contract how could he properly make the appeal in the first place? Feels like a loaded question tbh

Without the context that his actions were considered more severe than just posting memes because he was using the API, it's understandable that he believed his ban was unjustified and thus didn't make a proper appeal

[copper cave]

So selv is bannable we get it, should we add it on the rules that "selv" is bannable here

[toxic hull]

I bet no

[pliant epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/town's-lounge-tl-discord-discord-mod-gif-4510295274479238870

[eager gull]

Like i said certain mods that will not be named are very mute/ban happy

[lilac hazel]

I am like 80% sure it wasn't lol

[fair orchid]

It’s not just that. The reason given for the ban was “creating a fork to target and harass a member” as if that was actually his reason for making a fork, definitely bad faith

[toxic hull]

If selv is bannable then the community is gonna say "santa", and i'm gonna say this; it will become even more popular

[copper cave]

I mean they're saying selv is bannable, and the reason is clarified from the ai post

[autumn birch]

i do 2 santa wb yall

[copper cave]

Makes huge sense

[autumn birch]

ahh

[honest vale]

hohohoho! how many santas are you dealing today?