What type of bean
#guild_community
eager gull
molten mountain
Booze bean
carmine sorrel
furry bean
acoustic karma
why do we live in an era
where attacking is dead
13d or more on hqs of big territories
besides avo
nimble mantle
em seeking cap totally fixed everything🥸
acoustic karma
i like to think that the em seeking change was made by someone that doesnt war
acoustic karma
beacuse there is no way some thought this was a banger idea
eager gull
i like to think that the em seeking change was made by someone that doesnt war
I think most of the changes are
acoustic karma
I think most of the changes are
nah i think most changes are made by zeer
who has decent knowledge
eager gull
Ah
Getting a sr boost from attacking higher tres territories was a good change
Just sadly not enough
odd junco
13d or more on hqs of big territories
because wynntils guild map is still broken, wars are dead and provide no incentive, community had effort where we attempted to get changes made and literally nothing came out of it, abilities and items were nerfed to make the game artificially harder, aspects are grindslop content
wynn playercount looks good but its mainly number of active endgame players 📉 number of people trying the game / getting into it 📈
only thing worth logging on for is annihilation
pure belfry
odd junco
hence why you get a like 1.5k player spike that goes away after like an hour lol
this is playtime (flat line is time where my raspberry pi crashed so i lost data for like 3 days 🔥)
odd junco
x axis is unix timestamp i just cannot be fucked converting it from unix to regularised timestamp
pure belfry
ob
odd junco
but every dot is 10 minutes so
the period shown in the screenshot is like 2.0 release to yesterday
pure belfry
the period shown in the screenshot is like 2.0 release to yesterday
2.1 right
odd junco
yeah 2.1 mb
pure belfry
okay
odd junco
but the pattern is pretty clear lol
pure belfry
ok well this is quite literally proof that world events are not endgame content
and boring as shit
odd junco
i mean yeah everyone knows that lol
odd junco
its like in the period of 10m after anni happens
playercount drops by like literally almost 1000
pure belfry
its like in the period of 10m after anni happens
wasn't 1 dot about 10 minutes though
I can sorta see why it would be anni players but
odd junco
yes but the dot isnt necessarily synced to anni
it could be 5m before anni starts
id assume the slight spike after huge dip would be the queues clearing due to people leaving (after anni lol)
pure belfry
wait yeah people don't just log on a second before anni
acoustic karma
because wynntils guild map is still broken, wars are dead and provide no incenti...
2.1 the update of all time
pure belfry
I am mind rotten
odd junco
wait yeah people don't just log on a second before anni
wdym
pure belfry
the peak has to be around 40 or so minutes before anni right
odd junco
no lol?
thats just people getting on early
ok here's a zoomed in example of a single anni
notice there's a huge ass loss in players then a huge gain right after?
pure belfry
yeah Im not disagreeing with how it happens
just trying to understand the timing more
green elbow
because wynntils guild map is still broken, wars are dead and provide no incenti...
wynntils guild map works if you dont have fuy
idk if that is fixed yet but for some reason that was a thing at least
frail niche
The fact there is still a demand that big for this event is incredibly good
odd junco
I don't see your point?
the point is that timed events are timegated content
aka nobody cares outside of the timegate?
because this update HAS no content lol
frail niche
aka nobody cares outside of the timegate?
Yeah man that's why the server is still one of the biggest servers even off peaks
You're crazy doom posting
pure belfry
1 thousand people is not a lot sorry sir
pure belfry
I can count them on my fingers
frail niche
<t:1725450000>
That was when the server was down due to a ddos attack
But yeah I guess that means it fell off...
odd junco
you can also see the dips in the second part of the graph?
lol
this surely must be ddos too
acoustic karma
because wynntils guild map is still broken, wars are dead and provide no incenti...
someone should make an constructive feedback
pure belfry
add fun
odd junco
they should've just shipped this with fruma
acoustic karma
someone should make an constructive feedback
if enough people complain there is a 00000000000000000.1 chance of something happening
odd junco
love how this update was marketted as "not affecting fruma's release"
which means we can take whatever the release date is for fruma as the release date that it was going to be released at, regardless of whether this update was with or separate to fruma
pure belfry
if enough people complain there is a 00000000000000000.1 chance of something hap...
Not for wynncraft
acoustic karma
i think wynncraft should tell who makes each update
so we can blame a certain one
spice coral
pure belfry
Do they not
acoustic karma
i cant imagine that shadow and zeer went in a discussion and said that em seeking cap was the good way
pure belfry
neither can i
you're probably right it might've been some random ct who thought it was like
a significant threat to the economy 😢
acoustic karma
you're probably right it might've been some random ct who thought it was like
yeah like when selvut was like
"fluid healing cap NOW"
"wars: 0"
dawn glade
lmao
dawn glade
salted came to me and another ct (not gonna name names) and was like yea we are gonna nerf em seeking what do you think a good number is
acoustic karma
salted came to me and another ct (not gonna name names) and was like yea we are ...
ok the owner is cooked
pure belfry
salted came to me and another ct (not gonna name names) and was like yea we are ...
Ok who's the ct
dawn glade
not gonna say
acoustic karma
guilds > no guilds update > "hmm why dont i fuck with warring even more" > complains about having less endgame player activity
dawn glade
its not selvut
acoustic karma
linnyflower
pure belfry
ok can we play 20 questions
dawn glade
ok can we play 20 questions
no
pure belfry
no
does it start with a
what about b
that's not good
now we know there's at least 2 prokaryotes on ct
acoustic karma
i actually think its linnyflower since i dont think salted would go to any other ct about wars
pure belfry
i actually think its linnyflower since i dont think salted would go to any other...
We don't know how the ct works
For all we know some random mf typed
We need to nerf emseek in the general channel
You
no it isn't
I had disease of the kidneys when I started warring
acoustic karma
i just think this em seeking update fucked with warring since new players cant get into warring easily since terrs are twice as strong and sniping now and taking the territory has no fucking reason and its harder
pure belfry
after I started warring it was cured
it may be
seeing as they kinda like the idea of guilds
Just not the people
acoustic karma
i mean it was easier to be introduced
pure belfry
i mean it was easier to be introduced
It's literally all the same difficulty to introduce now
nothing changed about the mechanics
there's just less incentive
acoustic karma
It's literally all the same difficulty to introduce now
you think? i think imo since every terr is harder
i think less people will try
empty pecan
salted came to me and another ct (not gonna name names) and was like yea we are ...
the ct, cmosier.
dawn glade
real
empty pecan
every decision can be traced back to him
acoustic karma
real
if i make a #1019649786799996980 about it will the right ct even look at it
i dont want to make a post and fucking madeline be like "nah you wrong"
dawn glade
to be fair this was just a numbers tweak cause we didnt have time for new systems
its also how we got the boosted tome rates from guild objective completions
pure belfry
i dont want to make a post and fucking madeline be like "nah you wrong"
madeline deusphage wynncraft when she learns a secret op coping mechanism
dawn glade
we also wanted stuff to individually reward warrers iirc but no dev time to make it 😔
acoustic karma
to be fair this was just a numbers tweak cause we didnt have time for new system...
i think that wasnt balanced very much
more tomes and less warring
acoustic karma
https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208
tealy was the ct
empty pecan
i havent warred for long, but if eme seeking buffs will make guilds content with holding the borders they have war, im down for it to get buffed
frail niche
you are so stupid it hurts a little bit
pure belfry
💀
tender ginkgo
if i make a <#1019649786799996980> about it will the right ct even look at it
They'll forget about it right after
acoustic karma
They'll forget about it right after
nah @frail niche will comment on the post every day for me
so it gets relevancy
odd junco
salted came to me and another ct (not gonna name names) and was like yea we are ...
this is so brain damaged it is crazy.... 💔
get community opinion: ❌🤢
ask 2 cts: ✅☑️✔️
like nothing against you guys but holy moly....
white plank
get community opinion: ❌🤢
ask 2 cts: ✅☑️✔️<:chinatf:898603458985357373>
If only there was a server with many guild leaders that could give their opinion
odd junco
😔
pure belfry
If only there was a server with many guild leaders that could give their opinion
do not ask them for advice 💀
you will be flamed for making legitimate suggestions 💀
empty pecan
you will be flamed for making legitimate suggestions 💀
yeah like everyone shits on it, but making the SE towers walk is a good idea
odd junco
there was a discord that had more serious discussions and a doc was made with the mostly agreed suggestions
pure belfry
yeah like everyone shits on it, but making the SE towers walk is a good idea
bro
that was a fucking joke 💀
most actually respectable players have approved of the rest of it
empty pecan
i know but that would be funny to add
dawn glade
There's a very massive difference between something being "funny to add" and something being a "good idea"
(You have called it both)
empty pecan
i think the people would love it
odd junco
There's a very massive difference between something being "funny to add" and som...
i would love this idea added
please add it
coarse pollen
you think? i think imo since every terr is harder
how it's harder?
empty pecan
didnt territories get buffed in 2.1 or was i tripping
white plank
you will be flamed for making legitimate suggestions 💀
I've stopped making legitimate suggestions as soon as I realized the default answer was "Too much dev time"
coarse pollen
didnt territories get buffed in 2.1 or was i tripping
I never heard they buffed territory upgrades but might be tripping as well iono
dawn glade
didnt territories get buffed in 2.1 or was i tripping
Nah players were nerfed overall not towers getting buffed
tawdry delta
Are you referring to a buff in that - okay there you go
empty pecan
guild mate said meds got harder so i just assumed they got buffed
tawdry delta
Your guild mate just got worse :/
coarse pollen
Nah players were nerfed overall not towers getting buffed
uh, I mean it's an update, meta just changes like it has always
empty pecan
likely
white plank
guild mate said meds got harder so i just assumed they got buffed
They nerfed items and players
empty pecan
i do want some incentive for big guilds to fight eachother
and if that is buffing their eme seeking, it should be buffed
white plank
em seek is just toxic gameplay
acoustic karma
em seek is just toxic gameplay
🤓
white plank
noone enjoys killing meds for 10 hours a day
dawn glade
Em seeking just encourages big guilds to afk on their claims, not fight each other
acoustic karma
how it's harder?
there is just enough wood to boost anything now
empty pecan
Em seeking just encourages big guilds to afk on their claims, not fight each oth...
then maybe eme's for taking a territory?
acoustic karma
Em seeking just encourages big guilds to afk on their claims, not fight each oth...
SO whats the point of the current state then
big guilds are rn just sitting in their claims not fighiting each other
pure belfry
Em seeking just encourages big guilds to afk on their claims, not fight each oth...
yeah so
at least there was more big guilds than claims
coarse pollen
and if that is buffing their eme seeking, it should be buffed
people get everything from raids and world events in the amount no one gives a shit to have additional 1stx/day for entire big guild tbh
white plank
so at least people were actually getting attacked
they were not dread
once a month is an inconvinience at most
pure belfry
they were not dread
pipe down bro you have been afk for a year
pulsar raft
big guilds are rn just sitting in their claims not fighiting each other
told salted this 30 thousand times he does not care
pure belfry
plains and corkus actually sometimes got contested
acoustic karma
told salted this 30 thousand times he does not care
literally bro before there were atleast other big guilds attacking each other
like etkw x ilq
etc etc
now the only fight happens either on ffa or desert
dawn glade
Etkw backed down because they didn't have the timezone coverage
white plank
pipe down bro you have been afk for a year
so what? I was playing when guilds had 40d treasuries?
dawn glade
Pretty sure
acoustic karma
Etkw backed down because they didn't have the timezone coverage
yeah i know but you see
there were other people attacking other claims
pulsar raft
Back when I was a mod this was a problem and I knew it would only get worse. I keep sounding the alarm on mega alliances over and over again but he literally does not care
acoustic karma
now there is NO one attacking NO ONE
pure belfry
so what? I was playing when guilds had 40d treasuries?
yeah prefer everything i say over this guy because it is more recent
acoustic karma
beacuse warring is DEAD, em seeking is DEAD and ATTACKING is dead
dawn glade
Womp
empty pecan
with graids giving emes and SR, the only reason to war atm is tomes
acoustic karma
before 2.1
coarse pollen
this in example
just play raids and stonk
empty pecan
this in example
tbf i think this happened last season
dawn glade
It did
empty pecan
atleast with seq
acoustic karma
but not by that much
white plank
yeah prefer everything i say over this guy because it is more recent
go back to selling tols
acoustic karma
what im saying is not reverse em seeking cap
but just increase the cap
would be actually good
empty pecan
imo there should be more rewards for taking territories
dawn glade
Dev time
empty pecan
512 or 1024 emes
pulsar raft
imo there should be more rewards for taking territories
lol no
acoustic karma
512 or 1024 emes
i once suggested this and doggc told me to kms
dawn glade
Gg
pulsar raft
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guilds-bad.306954/
I still stand by this thread
acoustic karma
i just have this one big issue that i always never understand
empty pecan
i once suggested this and doggc told me to kms
average ico member
pulsar raft
why there are literally 1 content team member
its not even a ct thing
wars and guilds are more of a dev thing
acoustic karma
wars and guilds are more of a dev thing
also another issue
acoustic karma
its not even a ct thing
but i think
there would be better suggestions/ideas
made up
if there were more people in the game
that know how the game works
acoustic karma
yeah like when selvut was like
its literally this
lofty tundra
Devs don’t care about guilds
empty pecan
i would care to think of suggestions if i knew they were considered
lofty tundra
They will never fix warring
pulsar raft
Bascially my proposal is to make it so mega alliances are impossible and change how working works
empty pecan
Bascially my proposal is to make it so mega alliances are impossible and change ...
that sounds good
acoustic karma
blud mega alliances dont exist anymore
its everyone x everyone but no one cares to attack anyone
which is BORING
pulsar raft
blud mega alliances dont exist anymore
yes they do, its de facto a mega alliance on map rn
white plank
I love mega alliances
pulsar raft
if youre not attacking each other your allied
white plank
especially their guild leader's discord
acoustic karma
yes they do, its de facto a mega alliance on map rn
i mean if you look at that point yeah mega alliances are a thing but not like it used to be in the past
empty pecan
its not a collusion alliance, just agreeing to keep the borders
pure belfry
if youre not attacking each other your allied
💀
white plank
if youre not attacking each other your allied
lmao what
acoustic karma
if youre not attacking each other your allied
bro
pure belfry
north korea and the usa are political allies
pure belfry
I mean that at a hyperbole
bro please be like crystal dino
just post gifs
nothing else thanks
acoustic karma
can we move that discussion to a #1019649786799996980
pulsar raft
bro please be like crystal dino
so insufferable
acoustic karma
so there is more recognition.......
tender ginkgo
so there is more recognition.......
❌
empty pecan
can we move that discussion to a <#1019649786799996980>
what a 'Fix warring' post?
acoustic karma
what a 'Fix warring' post?
No
empty pecan
i dont think suggestions will be heard
acoustic karma
Increase emerald seeking cap post
tawdry delta
A 'We love CT ' post disguised as a fix wars post
white plank
Increase emerald seeking cap post
well that's not happening
pulsar raft
listen you're gonna immediately get opposition from the guilds on map so whatever posts u make arent going anyway
lol
acoustic karma
well that's not happening
i just dont see why
they cant increase it to like 10 or sum
white plank
i just dont see why
idk all the big guild leaders voted so don't ask me
dawn glade
Dawg it's 8 already
acoustic karma
Dawg it's 8 already
oh i thought it was 5
acoustic karma
idk all the big guild leaders voted so don't ask me
what they get from not increasing it 😭
just peace
those lazy mofo dont want to do anything
pulsar raft
^
coarse pollen
just kill the guilds, fix a problem by not having to deal with it 
empty pecan
512 or 1024 emes
would fix it
dawn glade
oh i thought it was 5
💀
white plank
wars are boring unless you try and snipe hqs
pulsar raft
the system is fundamentally broken and I do not think there is a good solution
empty pecan
wars are boring unless you try and snipe hqs
yeah
pulsar raft
wars are boring unless you try and snipe hqs
ur experience is showing
acoustic karma
IT AINT THAT DEEP
empty pecan
I MISSED THE NUMBER BY 3
8 is nearly double of 5
dawn glade
Lmao
acoustic karma
still a small number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dawn glade
Dev time
pure belfry
me when i have a syndicate centered around the destruction of houses
pulsar raft
I wanted to create a cassus belli system and slow down warring
dawn glade
Cassus belli?
pulsar raft
yes
coarse pollen
cant they just make a sindicate for warring as well
this sound controvertial from lore and logic perspective, wtf some syndicate owns guilds
dawn glade
Ok now explain what that is
white plank
ur experience is showing
I have done a lot of wars and I have seen even more, don't need to prove anything
empty pecan
this sound controvertial from lore and logic perspective, wtf some syndicate own...
the king of cinfras
pulsar raft
Ok now explain what that is
basically a justification to go to war. Instead of letting guilds war freely at any time. You justify a war over a period of time and then youre allowed to attack after the time period
tawdry delta
Guild Master
pulsar raft
yes
acoustic karma
so clash of clans
dawn glade
Lmfao
pulsar raft
so clash of clans
lot of games do that
vale lake
a justification to go to war
acoustic karma
guys hlicky called me a monkey i guess i have to dry dude hq
dawn glade
Dawg noones gonna be able to agree on a time
pulsar raft
the guild getting declared on will instantly pull in its allies
dawn glade
coarse pollen
So you have to like
no, you have to perform Gleiwitz incident sorts of to have right to war
acoustic karma
shadow may i get an invitation to gl server
empty pecan
all in all give 512 emes to take a territory
pulsar raft
no, you have to perform Gleiwitz incident sorts of to have right to war
you can have different reasons like trade dispute (guild has closed borders). Guild has too high taxes
dawn glade
Bean is full on slots I think
empty pecan
give fub a slot
dawn glade
you can have different reasons like trade dispute (guild has closed borders). Gu...
Reason: I don't like you
pulsar raft
Reason: I don't like you
that too
dawn glade
acoustic karma
Bean is full on slots I think
how many people per guild
dawn glade
Ok then there isn't any need for justification
vale lake
we have determined the Detlas Bombings were perpetrated by Calvish [bean], as such we will be invading their lands in 3 days time
pulsar raft
different reasons can do different things
empty pecan
we have determined the Detlas Bombings were perpetrated by Calvish [bean], as su...
sounds like them
coarse pollen
you can have different reasons like trade dispute (guild has closed borders). Gu...
declaring war on SEQoia, reason: get out of my swamp
acoustic karma
sounds like them
aint you from hoc
empty pecan
no
empty pecan
yeah
dawn glade
how many people per guild
pulsar raft
how eu4 does it is like this. You can take money, land, or humiliate, your enemy.
coarse pollen
this is very important discord server
pulsar raft
each concession depends on the justification
empty pecan
we got no people in this discord
vale lake
how eu4 does it is like this. You can take money, land, or humiliate, your enemy...
if you can be attacked by humiliation does that mean bean receives self damage
pulsar raft
my suggestion is to basically copy eu4
coarse pollen
we got no people in this discord
I assure you it's not a big loss
empty pecan
it prolly isnt
acoustic karma
isnt bean leaders only optial and closier
dawn glade
No idea
acoustic karma
isnt bean leaders only optial and closier
this was the worst betryal ever btw.....
pulsar raft
also since guilds have economies. we should change how eco works
dawn glade
I'm just trying to excuse you not being there
acoustic karma
I'm just trying to excuse you not being there
i just wanna see what gl looks like.....
empty pecan
also since guilds have economies. we should change how eco works
eco's are so fucking confusing
dawn glade
so add me <:like:700049689487343735>
Ask one of the mods of the discord
rapid arch
acoustic karma
eco's are so fucking confusing
they are not
dawn glade
i just wanna see what gl looks like.....
Literally nothing happens
pulsar raft
eco's are so fucking confusing
not really
dawn glade
Eco isn't that confusing
empty pecan
they got shit goin on
rapid arch
i just wanna see what gl looks like.....
you're missing out on absolutely nothing
pulsar raft
theyre really static imo. Since guilds usually occupy similar shapes on the map
empty pecan
also doesnt help that testing on prod (wynncraft) is bad
dawn glade
Ah yes surely I will force all ct into a war rp on gm
pulsar raft
I dont like the resource system in which guilds need to have certain things to buy certain defenses
frail niche
@wide shadow do u fw skibidi
dawn glade
empty pecan
I dont like the resource system in which guilds need to have certain things to b...
i wish trading could happen
between guilds
dawn glade
Bro
rapid arch
❔
dawn glade
Have you never heard of tributes
pulsar raft
i wish trading could happen
the current system doesnt really incentivize trading
dawn glade
❓
acoustic karma
i wish trading could happen
⁉️
dawn glade
Ok?
dawn glade
My guild has been trading emeralds for ore with whatever guild has been holding detlas for like the past 3 years now
💀
empty pecan
i dont want to force people to do anything
acoustic karma
i dont want to force people to do anything
then whats wrong with it
pulsar raft
do you want to force people to trade?!
no but eco should be completely reworked
acoustic karma
no but eco should be completely reworked
yeah i kinda agre
empty pecan
that tributes is not the trading system im envisioning
pulsar raft
copy eu4 trading and eco its literally perfect
white plank
since when is eco considered hard?
acoustic karma
that tributes is not the trading system im envisioning
then elaborate
acoustic karma
since when is eco considered hard?
today
white plank
and have the ppl that say its hard ever touched it?
pulsar raft
Basically this is how I envision eco. Each territory has a good produced. Each good travels freely to a trade node. Guilds spend resources trying to get influence in a trade node.
tawdry delta
Hi shadow!!!
empty pecan
then elaborate
menu to set up trades to be public, have a price and resource to sell, so ex ILQ could be openly selling 10k ore for 10k wood
empty pecan
It's FUB so I mean
alr my eco's are good...
tawdry delta
Come hang out with me at Riverbank Knoll
pure belfry
@empty pecan
acoustic karma
menu to set up trades to be public, have a price and resource to sell, so ex ILQ...
so you want a trade market for res?????
pure belfry
ARE YOU FROM FRUMAN BEE
empty pecan
alr my eco's are good...
other members..
white plank
to spend a hour trying to eco a set land
then you are not good lmao
acoustic karma
ARE YOU FROM FRUMAN BEE
yeah ffa guild is speaking
pure belfry
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
dawn glade
💔
frail niche
fruman bee should not be allowed to talk about guild balance
pulsar raft
completely get rid of taxes on resources moving through your own land and buff territory's production value
empty pecan
so you want a trade market for res?????
kind of i guess, im thinking of rust vending machines in my head
tawdry delta
The eco learning curve is brutal starting from 0 tho
pulsar raft
instead your territories pay you tribute
tawdry delta
If you have a cool PDF and some guild bosses to help it's not bad at all
dawn glade
The eco learning curve is brutal starting from 0 tho
If you have territories it's pretty easy to learn
With trial and error
acoustic karma
i think every guild should present an fix to this current state of warring
dawn glade
If you have a cool PDF and some guild bosses to help it's not bad at all
Bro the eco pdfs are all public
acoustic karma
and we do a tournment
dawn glade
💀
pulsar raft
I remember seeing guilds producing more resources than they had storage for
that was a funny sight
acoustic karma
I love this channel
thanks geb
tawdry delta
People are going around sharing eco docs with non guild members?
pulsar raft
People are going around sharing eco docs with non guild members?
yeah
empty pecan
People are going around sharing eco docs with non guild members?
ano, melt, etc are all leaked
dawn glade
Yeah
quiet merlin
multiple eco docs have been posted here before
pulsar raft
eco isn't really a secret
tawdry delta
You need to join a big guild to learn and have access to get the doc itself was my understanding
dawn glade
Eco isn't a secret yeah
white plank
I have never seen someone actually learn from the pdfs, everyone just tries and after a bit it clicks
tawdry delta
Color me surprised
dawn glade
It's just a matter of learning and applying general principles
acoustic karma
https://docs.google.com/document/u/3/d/1IXeVfYcE3h71x1SOP6vbPjg2sImk4mn5Hxff06Cf6pw/mobilebasic#h.41j3qubbmjd5
https://docs.google.com/document/u/3/d/1vHyyVifRWESJ5Qsp1x0VIIkBYiU13W59hcwqQYml5I8/mobilebasic
pulsar raft
You need to join a big guild to learn and have access to get the doc itself was ...
I have a public channel annyone can read lol
dawn glade
I have never seen someone actually learn from the pdfs, everyone just tries and ...
True
acoustic karma
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
empty pecan
I have never seen someone actually learn from the pdfs, everyone just tries and ...
on god i looked at the size of those docs and clicked off
rotund lotus
mald eco guide goes hard
empty pecan
and learned by trial and error
rotund lotus
I have never seen someone actually learn from the pdfs, everyone just tries and ...
i did
tawdry delta
Same
quiet merlin
im pretty sure ESI also had an eco guide at some point
acoustic karma
mald eco guide goes hard
on skibidi
quiet merlin
im pretty sure ESI also had an eco guide at some point
yeaa
that one is a bit more stright forward but also outdated I think
rotund lotus
who want the fuy eco guide
empty pecan
never seen that before
tawdry delta
Thenelston did change the game with eco access
empty pecan
Did nelston's vid go into eco much
dont think so
that is what i used to learn warring
white plank
what I meant to say is no matter how much you read you arent gonna succeed if you don't do it ingame
tawdry delta
Getting terms and basics going
acoustic karma
nelston got banned before he did a very detailed guide
frail niche
free the nelston ban shear
acoustic karma
who want the fuy eco guide
meeeee
tawdry delta
Shear appealed
acoustic karma
free the nelston ban shear
free thenelston ban all the others wynntubers
wynntubers are like moderators
90% of them gotta go
tawdry delta
Olinus10 😭
frail niche
olinus10 gets to stay...
pulsar raft
90% of them gotta go
so true bestie, restore me back to power too
quiet merlin
and its all just lies
frail niche
hes trying his best
quiet merlin
wadahell that was posted to official wynncraft youtube channel...
pure belfry
I have never seen someone actually learn from the pdfs, everyone just tries and ...
daddyrinke did teach me eco though
quiet merlin
wadahell that was posted to official wynncraft youtube channel...
they have been spamming shorts over there like crazy.....
white plank
daddyrinke did teach me eco though
ah now it makes sense
dawn glade
to be fair... its been effective
lofty tundra
The wynncraft brainrot 😭
lofty tundra
to be fair... its been effective
How do you know?
dawn glade
its guh
lofty tundra
Show me the stats
rotund lotus
daddyrinke did teach me eco though
😭
dawn glade
Show me the stats
nah
lofty tundra
Pull them up
frail niche
How do you know?
they track the ip
rotund lotus
i forgot he changed his name
pure belfry
did he
empty pecan
show me the powepoints
lofty tundra
Whar
pure belfry
did he respond
dawn glade
lmao
frail niche
noone would watch
pulsar raft
i sent this idea to nelston other day
gotta put some family guy clips or subway surfers to get anyones attention
acoustic karma
did he respond
empty pecan
i want there to be more incentive to war, and the scales should be tipped more to attacking than defending
lofty tundra
You win this time buddy
frail niche
i want there to be more incentive to war, and the scales should be tipped more t...
how much do you know about attacking
empty pecan
how much do you know about attacking
ive attacked once or twice in my lifetime
white plank
ive attacked once or twice in my lifetime
💀
frail niche
me me i know
this guy might be smart
pulsar raft
i want there to be more incentive to war, and the scales should be tipped more t...
opposite imo
rotund lotus
are war servers still unplayable chat
pure belfry
I THOUGHT HE WAS COOL
empty pecan
FRUMAN BEE PING IS STUPID 😭
no i am NOT
frail niche
You can snipe an HQ before the defender can reclaim a conn
dawn glade
^
frail niche
how is that not attacker focused already
dawn glade
its already attacker focused yea
rotund lotus
oh not this again
dawn glade
i know this and i afk in se 😭
pulsar raft
its literally wait to be sniped rn
empty pecan
because people arent fighting for more
frail niche
oh not this again
im not complaining im just saying
white plank
just move hq smh
pulsar raft
make me a wynn dev and ill fix guilds in 3 months
empty pecan
also while people are here who wants to buy this idol
dawn glade
go apply then
pulsar raft
u guys will hate me but it'll be fixed
pulsar raft
go apply then
did
empty pecan
im willing to hear it out
dawn glade
cool
empty pecan
always room for one more
dawn glade
i havnt seen a new dev so i mean
empty pecan
didnt someone say the devs have 2nd jobs
dawn glade
who knows
pulsar raft
didnt someone say the devs have 2nd jobs
yes
pulsar raft
salted refuses to let me work for free
ill sign whatever NDA or whatever I dont need money
empty pecan
salted refuses to let me work for free
sounds like you just want to be CT
empty pecan
but dev work aswell
pulsar raft
dev does much more than CT
empty pecan
unpaid dev intern
pulsar raft
and wynn needs wayyy more devs
empty pecan
dev does much more than CT
i think they handle the servers idk
pulsar raft
unpaid dev intern
works for me
pulsar raft
i think they handle the servers idk
no basically, devs make the tools for CT to use. CT does the creative stuff and uses the tools dev make to make the game
pure belfry
make me a wynn dev and ill fix guilds in 3 months
j
quiet merlin
make me a wynn dev and ill fix guilds in 3 months
you should apply for developer yep
make your dreams a reality
or something
acoustic karma
i think every guild should present an fix to this current state of warring
@dawn glade this a good take tho
tawdry delta
Increase em seek (20x)
quiet merlin
<@267455704938315787> this a good take tho
what would your fix be mr bean
acoustic karma
too long to explain
quiet merlin
okayyyy
pulsar raft
just ping salted
He sees them he’s just ghosting me smh
tawdry delta
Where is the forums post
empty pecan
He sees them he’s just ghosting me smh
dm him
pulsar raft
spring storm
jacob why is you not mod anymore
shrewd osprey
Fr
pulsar raft
jacob why is you not mod anymore
Jacob
dawn glade
lmao
pulsar raft
Funny thing is that I need experience for my resume
So a Wynn dev would be sickkkkk for me
I also know Java and Kotlin
And bukkit/spigot
lofty tundra
Were you a mod?
acoustic karma
I also know Java and Kotlin
i dont think you have what it takes jacob
pulsar raft
Were you a mod?
Yuh
lofty tundra
Moco u should be dev
pulsar raft
During Covid and after I resigned
acoustic karma
Moco u should be dev
im a dev for a server already
acoustic karma
yeah
lofty tundra
Are they dumb or smthing
acoustic karma
people who need stuff to be done
pulsar raft
Are they dumb or smthing
💀
acoustic karma
lofty tundra
people who need stuff to be done
What server
acoustic karma
What server
a minehut one
lofty tundra
What’s it called
acoustic karma
wife
acoustic karma
yeah
lofty tundra
What do you do
acoustic karma
What do you do
code
lofty tundra
acoustic karma
What do you do
what you expected 😭
lofty tundra
I was expecting you to make a guild called Moco and singlehandly take every territory and hold it for the whole season
By yourself
acoustic karma
I was expecting you to make a guild called Moco and singlehandly take every terr...
nah
lofty tundra
Lame
pulsar raft
https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-1219838...
Maybe read what I said before hand. “Us” lol
odd junco
could you put them in a nice succinct list because ive scrolled up and only seen like 3
pulsar raft
Shore
odd junco
and fuck no casus belli system is dogshit
because the majority of conflicts or reasons for guilds attacking each other are external to the system
me when AVO tells bean to let them daily snipe them (they cannot retaliate because /msg is not a valid reason...)
torpid ore
He sees them he’s just ghosting me smh
bro 😭 💀
odd junco
me when Mag and TNL get kicked from valhalla and cannot attack ILQ (external reasoning)
pulsar raft
Tf you mean external reasoning
You can justify whenever you want
And mega alliances would be dead under my system so that wouldn’t even apply lol
odd junco
so then whats the point of having an ingame justification for attacking if someone can just attack for any reason they want...
link your forum thread i cannot find it
pulsar raft
Because there can be set objectives for what a war achieves
Forums thread is outdated idk if I even say anything about a new system in it
torpid ore
Shore
Waiting for the list btw
I wanna be part of this discussion but I have no fucking clue what either of u are talking about
odd junco
after a brief read of your suggestion i still have no information as to how a casus belli system would work other than that you want less wars
which is kinda the worst take i've ever heard
green elbow
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guilds-bad.306954/
where is the 25 question quiz
pulsar raft
yes im working on a more detailed proposal
odd junco
ok give a basic rundown then
pulsar raft
well basically to keep the territory system id have to do a complete overhaul of most systems
so heres a gist
torpid ore
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/guilds-bad.306954/
This is ass
pulsar raft
on map guilds should have a slight advantage over attackers. Any guild who wants to attack another guild needs to have a reason for going to war (the reasons are a set enum) the reason determines the objective of the conflict. There is set range of time it takes for finish justification. Once justification is over. All in game of allies of the defending guild are called into the conflict to help defend.
pulsar raft
Before anyone sees it and shits on you
we get it bro you dont like my proposal
green elbow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264338162411503657/1284963731998244996/g...
too much dev time
torpid ore
Idk if salted is even reading your msgs but if he was I would understand why hes ghosting u bro...
I wouldn't let u work for free either...
pulsar raft
Idk if salted is even reading your msgs but if he was I would understand why hes...
ur so smart
salted is reading all of this rn
odd junco
on map guilds should have a slight advantage over attackers.
no.
Any guild who wants to attack another guild needs to have a reason for going to war (the reasons are a set enum) the reason determines the objective of the conflict. There is set range of time it takes for finish justification.
pick the justification with the shortest timeframe
Once justification is over. All in game of allies of the defending guild are called into the conflict to help defend.
why would i want to help allies??? it doesnt affect me in the slightest so they would likely 9/10 not even bother helping because it takes longer for the defending guild to reclaim if another guild is interfering in their defending
torpid ore
ur so smart
Thanks I get that a lot 😊
odd junco
where is zuid holland when you need him to say ad hominem...
pulsar raft
> on map guilds should have a slight advantage over attackers.
no.
> Any guild ...
you get the call you can choose not to answer
on map guilds have much more to lose
odd junco
you get the call you can choose not to answer
so whats the point of having it if nobody would answer?
torpid ore
thats shocking
Yea envy drives people crazy I can understand why you're shocked
pulsar raft
the justification with the shortes time frame might have a different objective
than u want
odd junco
like there's literally no reason for an ally to help another ally? this is like 2020/2021 line of logic back when people used to help other guilds
pulsar raft
some jsutifications might not let u take land
empty pecan
on map guilds should have a slight advantage over attackers.
yeah that seems like a bad idea
that favors big guilds
torpid ore
I ain't trynna be personal but bro
Like your suggestion is just bad idk what to say
It's not good
pulsar raft
like there's literally no reason for an ally to help another ally? this is like ...
idk bro maybe u want other people to answer the call with u
torpid ore
There doesn't have to be an objective reason to attack
odd junco
they will NOT be picking up.
torpid ore
Forcing and restricting people into certain ways and methods of warring will make the system even worse
odd junco
bro ask SEQ if they give a single fuck if TAq or ICo is next to them
pulsar raft
There doesn't have to be an objective reason to attack
yeah thats insanely stupid
pulsar raft
bro ask SEQ if they give a single fuck if TAq or ICo is next to them
bro they have no reason to fucking kill taq or ico either
odd junco
SEQ would let any guild next to them rot if it meant they got 500 more SR than them
torpid ore
bro they have no reason to fucking kill taq or ico either
They do
odd junco
bro they have no reason to fucking kill taq or ico either
that's my point? they usually ally the guild next to them lol
odd junco
so who cares if they're "allied" through ingame diplomacy? most guilds dont give a shit about anyone but themselves
pulsar raft
that's my point? they usually ally the guild next to them lol
they can do that but if you force them to have limited amounts of allies u can reduce the power block
odd junco
there is no power block bro 😭
torpid ore
You haven't explained why onmap guilds would have advantage over attacks
pulsar raft
You haven't explained why onmap guilds would have advantage over attacks
because on map guilds have a target on their backs
torpid ore
because on map guilds have a target on their backs
Ok ??
pulsar raft
mega-alliances are NOT an issue
yes they fucking are lmao
torpid ore
That's the price of generating sr emeralds and tomes
empty pecan
because on map guilds have a target on their backs
they do not
odd junco
guilds just backstab, betray, then make up with each other like its 1984
odd junco
yes they fucking are lmao
who????
empty pecan
not a single person cares to attack prof, dude, seq
carmine sorrel
All I see are vhigh treasury guilds sitting on their terrs for months without being attacked
odd junco
there is no standardised alliance? they just dont attack each other for mutual benefit
frail niche
guilds just backstab, betray, then make up with each other like its 1984
chiefs literally planned alliance maps with the guilds we were betraying before we even betrayed them
one of the main reasons i left
pulsar raft
All I see are vhigh treasury guilds sitting on their terrs for months without be...
now tell me why people dont attack them
empty pecan
now tell me why people dont attack them
no incentive
pulsar raft
no incentive
exactly
empty pecan
small guilds dont attack because you arent ousting seq
big guilds dont attack because they know it isnt worth the rewards
pulsar raft
you can have an alliance system that actually works so smaller guilds can take bigger ones down
empty pecan
you can have an alliance system that actually works so smaller guilds can take b...
like multiple guilds joining as one guild for territories?
pulsar raft
like multiple guilds joining as one guild for territories?
in a sense
carmine sorrel
Map terrs are separated into claims way too much, you either get a lot or a pile of nothing
pulsar raft
Map terrs are separated into claims way too much, you either get a lot or a pile...
yes I would reform resources for that reason
empty pecan
like FUB can attack as "Alliance 1', while MELT can also attack as 'Alliance 1'
that isnt a bad idea
a lot of kinks to iron out there though
odd junco
you can have an alliance system that actually works so smaller guilds can take b...
im gonna type in big letters because there are yapaholics who are yapping over me but my point is:
mega-alliances are not a problem at the moment
guilds just don't attack each other because there's 0 reason to attack a neighbouring guild and compromise the SR you gain by doing so
pulsar raft
# im gonna type in big letters because there are yapaholics who are yapping over...
yes theres no mega alliance in name rn, but mega alliances are a problem
pulsar raft
you act like theyre just off the table now
odd junco
ok what is the current mega alliance?
torpid ore
how are they a problem if there hasn't been a mega alliance in years ???
pulsar raft
ok what is the current mega alliance?
ok is there a world where people can form a mega alliance and take over the map
potent shale
nope
pulsar raft
is it remotely possible at all
potent shale
Wouldn't happen
pulsar raft
in any reality
empty pecan
Map terrs are separated into claims way too much, you either get a lot or a pile...
also dm shadow so we we can get some people in the guild discord
odd junco
explain the context
torpid ore
That logic is so flawed
odd junco
like completely new guilds?
odd junco
also dm shadow so we we can get some people in the guild discord
OML MF IF YOU'RE TALKING TO SOMEONE DM HIM
😭
SHUT UP
empty pecan
you are yapping
pulsar raft
no I mean in any hypothetical scenario
torpid ore
Nope
pulsar raft
thats just a lie
odd junco
you are yapping
we're discussing soemthing i dont want you guys yapping about your troglodyte bee guild publicly like this shit is an e-public display of affection shut up pack it up and take it to dms
torpid ore
thats just a lie
I'm saying nope that it isn't bad
Bc I know what youre saying and it's dumb as shit
odd junco
if the system allows for maga alliances
it can allow mega-alliances in the current state yes
torpid ore
You wanna completely limit and restrict guilds to behave in the exact way you envision them to be
That will never work
odd junco
my point is that mega-alliances are dead and buried
carmine sorrel
we're discussing soemthing i dont want you guys yapping about your troglodyte be...
Bro said that after interrupting a discussion with max size letters for no reason
empty pecan
again 512-1024 emes per attack
pulsar raft
my point is that mega-alliances are dead and buried
cool so idk why you would be opposed to making it truly a dead concept
empty pecan
would make big guilds wanna attack
odd junco
and your proposal does would not solve it if one showed up
because the ally part is optional
pulsar raft
yes it does
odd junco
how???
torpid ore
cool so idk why you would be opposed to making it truly a dead concept
You don't have to be ingame allies with a guild
To be allied with them
odd junco
explain your line of reasoning
torpid ore
And your methods not only affect mega alliances but regular alliances aswell
pulsar raft
because id incentivize guilds on map attacking and you could not give allies territoy back
easily give them back*
empty pecan
If we used fortnite's idea of alliances, where mutliple guilds can conglomerate under 1 guild but the SR and rewards are equally distributed, big guilds wont go into an alliance so they can get everythin for themselves
torpid ore
If we used fortnite's idea of alliances, where mutliple guilds can conglomerate ...
How would you do that
odd junco
because id incentivize guilds on map attacking and you could not give allies ter...
so then allies wouldn't help
like they do right now?
empty pecan
How would you do that
dev make it idk
odd junco
lol
empty pecan
multiple guilds can fight under the same name
pulsar raft
so then allies wouldn't help
yes they would. I would change how allied warring works
pulsar raft
they get SR and an alliance
torpid ore
If you mean multiple guilds allying against one greater guild that's already possible to coordinate and has happened many times in the past
torpid ore
pulsar raft
u cant just re ally
odd junco
they get SR and an alliance
SR from attacking is absolutely miniscule compared to the actual amount you receive from just sitting there and afking
and if someone calls me and says "hey can you help us reclaim" i would decline on the spot
@thorny bluff
pulsar raft
SR from attacking is absolutely miniscule compared to the actual amount you rece...
yes im reforming literally everything like I said
empty pecan
If you mean multiple guilds allying against one greater guild that's already pos...
no, not as mutliple random guilds fighting, but multiple guilds fighting under a single name
1 hq
pulsar raft
and if someone calls me and says "hey can you help us reclaim" i would decline o...
congrats bro you can be allyless
like im not forcing u to make friends
odd junco
brother ask ANY guild leader if they would help a neighbouring "ally" guild reclaim
lmfao
9/10 will say no
empty pecan
this is just too busted
it would still be bad for SR gain or tomes/emes
torpid ore
it would still be bad for SR gain or tomes/emes
i mean theres just no reason to
pure belfry
is fun a justificable reason
empty pecan
but it would help smaller guilds try to win against the likes of seq
torpid ore
i prefer a system where guilds ally but each still has their own hq and territories
pulsar raft
is fun a justificable reason
yes actually. Humiliation cb. You can attack a guild and get sr from it but you cant take any of their land
pure belfry
yes actually. Humiliation cb. You can attack a guild and get sr from it but you ...
what 😭
what the FUCK are you cooking
odd junco
yeah they can play at a disadvanage if they want
what fucking disadvantage???
they do it currently LOL
pure belfry
you literally just want to roleplay bro
pulsar raft
what fucking disadvantage???
1 guild vs 3 medium sized guilds
empty pecan
i prefer a system where guilds ally but each still has their own hq and territor...
i mean it works that way, but an umbrella guild for warring would imo give smaller guilds more people to war with, then giving them more of a chance to take and hold
odd junco
"ilq would likely help avo/ano? though the most we've done in the past is gift res"
nobody is fighting YOUR GUILD'S wars
like why tf would i fight someone else's wars
pulsar raft
I dont give af if the current map guilds dont want to help eachother
odd junco
when im privy to being targetted after by the guild that was raiding them for helping that guild?
torpid ore
wouldnt this make mega alliances even more encouraged anyways
torpid ore
wouldnt this make mega alliances even more encouraged anyways
but instead of allying the entire map you're allying your neighboring guilds
and whenever they attack you can just defend for them
frail niche
"ilq would likely help avo/ano? though the most we've done in the past is gift r...
we used to resnipe swamp for aeq just so they could get back the ore trib faster
odd junco
we used to resnipe swamp for aeq just so they could get back the ore trib faster
this isnt helping attack though
this is helping defend
frail niche
this isnt helping attack though
oh yeah mb
pure belfry
bro this cassus belli suggestion is just stupid
empty pecan
yeah i dont fw that
pure belfry
aside from how it doesnt target the root cause
frail niche
i mean avo and taq split wiped ano once but yeah usually that doesnt happen
pulsar raft
and whenever they attack you can just defend for them
no they're not mega anymore theyre at most regional
frail niche
yeah i dont fw that
empty pecan
but i fw the umbrella guilds tho
odd junco
like if im defending, i dont want some random ass ally queueing shit i've already queued, having to organise wars with them, then having to wait for the terrs they took to go off cd
just makes warring slower and more agonising
pure belfry
it is just extra fu ckjing steps
odd junco
no they're not mega anymore theyre at most regional
they aren't even alliances anymore 😭
because literally nobody cares?
pulsar raft
they aren't even alliances anymore 😭
Yes CMT I KNOW
pure belfry
if chinggis khan wanted to beat my ass for 4 days but on the last day he decided he wanted to for 4 more days
god wouldnt stop him 💀
odd junco
like AVO / TAq literally backstabbed each other one season and the next they're sitting next to each other in the same region
pulsar raft
There is no incentize to attack eachother
pure belfry
like AVO / TAq literally backstabbed each other one season and the next they're ...
my bad
odd junco
Yes CMT I KNOW
so why are you trying to prevent / stop alliances when allies arent even allies anymore
torpid ore
no they're not mega anymore theyre at most regional
chain effect
odd junco
brother you cannot make a post that changes human behaviour....
torpid ore
And yea theyre still mega
young iron
@pulsar raft stop cooking
pulsar raft
chain effect
no you'd only have to deal with 1 link of the chain
empty pecan
chat, 1024 emeralds for attacking a territory.
odd junco
why would i expend effort for like 1k more SR when i can just afk for like 1 hour for it lol
torpid ore
no you'd only have to deal with 1 link of the chain
Then links of that chain can ally with the other neighboring link
Checkmate liberal
pulsar raft
why would i expend effort for like 1k more SR when i can just afk for like 1 hou...
my brother in christ, im not leaving the guild system in the state its currently in
im overhauling the entire system
vale lake
i recognise this discussion from somewhere
odd junco
fuck i'd rather let the system rot then add this idea 😭
torpid ore
im overhauling the entire system
thank GOD salted is ghosting
frail niche
<@206078276614094850> stop cooking
stop talking you are banned
odd junco
i recognise this discussion from somewhere
no this is like literally not a good suggestion in the slightest
because it tries to fix a problem that is a non problem
and add a feature that nobody will use
pure belfry
because it tries to fix a problem that is a non problem
hold up wait a minute
what problem is it trying to fix 💀
pulsar raft
yeah listen to the people who benefit from the system about how to fix it
empty pecan
give big guilds an incentive to attack, legit anything
pure belfry
yeah listen to the people who benefit from the system about how to fix it
BROOOOO
THEY DONT BENEFIT!!!!!!!!!
odd junco
yeah listen to the people who benefit from the system about how to fix it
what benefit do i get.....
thorny bluff
<@251831773904896000>
What's up? TLDR?
odd junco
What's up? TLDR?
vale lake
iunno guilds much so i cant speak much but like
pulsar raft
what benefit do i get.....
not u your guild is dead
torpid ore
yeah listen to the people who benefit from the system about how to fix it
Both attackers and defenders are against u in this chat bro 😭
pure belfry
30 LE PER HOUR IS NOTHING!!!!
vale lake
doesnt attacking just suck ass rn
torpid ore
doesnt attacking just suck ass rn
No
pulsar raft
Both attackers and defenders are against u in this chat bro 😭
bro I do not care
thorny bluff
Everything sucks ass right now
torpid ore
bro I do not care
Keep coping
empty pecan
attacking did get harder from player nerfs
but its about the same
there just is no reason for on map guilds to war rn
pulsar raft
Its funny because you guys offer no suggestion but attack me
odd junco
LMFAOOOOOO
pulsar raft
u guys are so far up your own asses lmao
empty pecan
Its funny because you guys offer no suggestion but attack me
ive been saying, 1024 emes per territory taken
pulsar raft
like you know the system is broken
empty pecan
it would work
odd junco
Its funny because you guys offer no suggestion but attack me
feel free to take a read:
simple oar
empty pecan
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q8iySXil5tIs6U5RI-ETp0pbD7fgpKmrRkPtywEsOKQ/...
i fw proposal 1 and 2
pulsar raft
ill give him the benefit
vale lake
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q8iySXil5tIs6U5RI-ETp0pbD7fgpKmrRkPtywEsOKQ/...
terrible suggestions who wrote this shit