🍺general

[thin wren]

Joined 2018 but doesnt know..... Fake fan........

[native fox]

7 years is a technicality but yea

[oblique heart]

Did you work on fruma today?

[muted pebble]

i need help, can anyone assist me

ingame issue

[gray bramble]

When fruma news

[gaunt epoch]

what's up

[muted pebble]

brah

i started playing wynncraft 2 days ago, i progressed an assassin profile to level 70, i just started a new profile on mage around 10 mins ago

got thru tutorial just fine and as soon as i get to ragni, my game keeps freezing nonstop and crashed twice.

[wheat aurora]

im keep crashing aswell

[boreal abyss]

What is this Fruma All Talk about? I am new 😄

[thin wren]

New endgame region that has been in the works for 7 years

[boreal abyss]

Ah ok 🤣 Thy

[proud forge]

Fruma is very cool

[boreal abyss]

Is there this typical Trinity in this game? Like Tank/Heal/Dps? or do u Rush Raids & Dungeons with DPS only?

[thin wren]

Wynn is very dps centered but

Healer and tank exists but for raids typically only dps and healer is useful with few exceptions for tanks

[wild dock]

i need help qira quest pls

[boreal abyss]

So First class better be a healer or dps right?

[thin wren]

Well you play whatever you like

[boreal abyss]

Or does healing work different here in Wynn?

[thin wren]

Idk what that implies

[proud forge]

Mage is a good first class to go with

I like my mage

[boreal abyss]

So all classes have some selfheal Skills or do they rlly depend on a healer class later?

[tight solstice]

not all

mage shaman warrior only

[thin wren]

Warrior is not really a proper self heal though

[tight solstice]

i mean overheal

[thin wren]

Thats not a heal

Its overhealth

And fallens self heal is meant as a resource refill not actual heal

All class can make use of +Greed though

But anyways yea just pick mage cause it can do a lot of damage while still having heals (unless you go Arcanist, which removes Heal.)

[twin tiger]

asassin too

[tight solstice]

from what becouse i didnt experience it while farming

[twin tiger]

asassin trickster can overheal when absorbing tricks

[wispy meteor]

Cleansing breeze + rhythm of the seasons

[thin wren]

Ok but thats not built into warrior, also its not rots exclusive smh

[native fox]

yes

[boreal abyss]

What Client Version is wynncraft? Because Play.wynncraft.com it tells me „Can’t Connect to the Server“

[errant patio]

iirc 1.21.2+
recommended is 1.21.4

[boreal abyss]

It works! 🙂

[errant patio]

ggs :D

[brave falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771205305719455756/962953142738243584/image_2022-04-11_015126419.gif

[neat parrot]

so what is that annoucment gonna be you think

[amber rapids]

the announcement is gonna be "fruma Q3 2028"

[gaunt epoch]

Announcement?

[elder thorn]

Hello evryone! So, who know a RU or UA translater mod for this server?

[thin eagle]

Wynntils mod

[willow wolf]

[supple bolt]

[wispy meteor]

-# I was being satirical

[spice nymph]

@opal kiln

[prime gazelle]

whats the best set and wand that i can use at lvl 50

[torn stump]

Depends on your build and what you acquire in the skill tree!

[dry sun]

and?

if it's dont relate to fruma, don't care

https://tenor.com/view/goku-appear-angry-ssj-super-saiyan-gif-5905969777846646404

[molten flame]

Cring

[proud forge]

<@&268142859327242242>

[strange frigate]

Thanks for the investments

[proud forge]

get that bag

[dry sun]

good job team

https://tenor.com/view/team-cat-touch-my-hands-cute-gif-15423319

[upbeat bison]

[onyx kettle]

<@&268142859327242242> 🤔

[covert laurel]

W mods W alla

[onyx kettle]

again!???

<@&268142859327242242>

[obtuse harbor]

anyone lagging?

[dire bison]

I am, getting huge ping spikes, don't know if it's a coincidence or something else

[mellow oak]

not me

[civic sphinx]

I wonder, is it possible to for wynncraft to be in hytale? xd

[inner parcel]

I don't think so
We gotta wait for full game release and look how it does with mods / custom servers

[civic sphinx]

True, hopefully though.
The animations and mod potential in hytale are so high for wynncraft
Although everyone might have to start over...

[inner parcel]

Another problem is
Will hytale stay alive when it fully releases or not

A lot of games eho got hyped end up losing most players after release

[onyx kettle]

please no wynntale

whatever

its ccalled

[civic sphinx]

yeah we'll see

[inner parcel]

Can't wait for cash grab servers in hytale

[barren yarrow]

Yay im hero now

[storm terrace]

Once I again, it should be remembered that unless Wynncraft would have seperate Minecraft and Hytale versions which seems very difficult to maintain, if it moved to Hytale then the current playerbase would be forced to buy another game in order to continue playing. I don’t know about you, but that kinda sucks imo

[grizzled tapir]

It very much does suck, yes.

[junior finch]

Wynn would die if it forced moved to Hytale

[twin tiger]

Wynn would die if everyone stopped playing

[glossy falcon]

I wake up to no announcement

[wooden shuttle]

i hate assignments

[wooden shuttle]

same

[wooden shuttle]

3/11 🔥

[plucky fog]

wynncraft > hytale

[raw nebula]

yes, hytale hungry game, wants half my ram

[thin eagle]

wynn when the 100 qol and performance mods eat the other half

[raw nebula]

mc (w/ mods) and luanti (with mclonia2) can run perfectly fine with <20% of my ram hehehe

[raw nebula]

trueee

[ocean bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-elden-ring-albinauric-pointing-fingers-gif-25305896

[fervent cloak]

you dont get it

30 more and for the 5 fps bosst

[surreal gulch]

where's fruma

[ocean bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/ado-odoru-ponpokorin-cute-gif-7684311187471553836

ODORO POMPOCORIN~

[ruby gulch]

not here

[candid cobalt]

when is it even supposed to come out??

like early this year is nearly over 😢

[raw mortar]

We're still in the first 10% of the year
Release date soon™

[molten flame]

I am joker persona 5 (im running off 4 hours of sleep)

[zealous lagoon]

fruma 31th december 2026!!!

[gaunt epoch]

it's been 20 days

and we've had 2 teasers in the past 3 days

[candid cobalt]

hmmm

maybe its just bait

but hope dies at last

[gaunt epoch]

well it is bait but it is also an actual teaser

[ionic tartan]

the bait is “wynntale” and it drives engagement

[hard falcon]

someone needs to make hytale mod that connects to wynncraft

make wynntale a reality

[boreal abyss]

Can someone explain me, please which different chats exist in wynncraft? See ppl in my eu server list (tab) but no one is chatting or even answering maybe I do something wrong? 😄

[ionic tartan]

i think its based on distance from one another

[boreal abyss]

Is there no “world” or “server” chat where all ppl can talk, search groups, trade items or even just ask questions? 🙂

[ionic tartan]

you can see some chats from other worlds if youre in the same location but worldwide i dont think so

[gaunt epoch]

no

it's based on your distance to other people

[boreal abyss]

Are there city’s that are extremely populated then? 🙂 or kinda like social hangout hubs?

[lilac ruin]

detlas

[ionic tartan]

lutho

[gaunt epoch]

kinda

you can change it so that you can see players from every server and talk to them all at once

[boreal abyss]

How? 🙂

I played yesterday two hours and I didn’t see anyone in the starting area

[gaunt epoch]

do /toggle ghosts all

[frigid depot]

Theres shout bombs

You type in a message and everyone will see it

Costs money through

[livid drum]

Is it not a universal urge the animal is following?

[fierce scroll]

Well in this case it’s self preservation it’s following and not necessarily suffering

[livid drum]

Is self preservation not merely the avoidance of suffering?

[fierce scroll]

If it believed in the moral truth of suffering it wouldnt cause other things to suffer

If moral truth existed other things must not suffer in consequence of its attack

[thin wren]

Oh my goodness

They continue

[livid drum]

That the animal doesn't have the capacity to always (mind you, many animals do) consider every other living agent besides itself is not enough to disprove the pinciple in my view. If the animal is already avoiding suffering and seeking happiness, is that by itself not enough proof of the existance of this as a universal moral rule?

[livid drum]

Are we harming you by doing so?

[thin wren]

No

[fierce scroll]

I just dont see suffering as moral in it of itself

It’s more like a state of being

Now if you were to say “it’s wrong to cause suffering” now that’s a moral claim

[livid drum]

Perhaps, but is it not a moral truth that avoiding suffering is good?

[fierce scroll]

Well no that’s still just a state of being. It’s like saying “avoiding getting wet is bad/good” like that doesnt mean anything

[livid drum]

No? So if I hurt you thats not bad?

or it depends on perspective?

If I hurt you for no other reason than that I want to do so

Is that not evil?

[fierce scroll]

Well yeah, getting your teeth pulled out can hurt

You wouldnt say that’s bad

[livid drum]

I meant in a vacuum^

[fierce scroll]

Well you’re asking someone who’s an emotivist so no I wouldnt say that it’s objectively bad

I would say by our subjective moral standards that yes it is bad

[livid drum]

Okay, thats enough of a ground for me. Why is it bad?

[fierce scroll]

Because I think it is

[livid drum]

Why do you think its bad?

[fierce scroll]

Because I believe so

[livid drum]

Well now were in an endless loop wherein i can always ask you "why do you believe this" and youll answer because you do

[fierce scroll]

Hmm well I mean

Yeah cuz it hurt that’s why I think it’s bad

[fierce scroll]

That doesn’t mean it’s objective

Objective truth would mean you would be forced to not hurt me no matter what

[livid drum]

The proof for it's objectivity is simple: attempt to give a proof for why it's bad WITHOUT referring to suffering and happiness

[livid drum]

Well, can I tell a lie?

That I am able to lie doesn't disprove the existance of truth, no?

Maybe I killed someone and lie about it.

[fierce scroll]

Well that’s the thing, those are states of being

[livid drum]

perhaps but the moral truth is that one of those states is good and the other is bad

[fierce scroll]

Ok but how is suffering universally bad if good can come from it

[livid drum]

Its universally bad, not absolutely bad

There can be suffering which results in good

[fierce scroll]

Oh definitions

[livid drum]

No this is actually pretty distinct

If the good outweighs the bad, its good

if the bad outweighs the good, its bad

[fierce scroll]

Well see universal and absolute are synonymous

[fierce scroll]

And you measure that how

[livid drum]

Not exactly: we can universally avoid suffering (we dont like to suffer) but that doesnt mean we wont sometimes sacrifice for happiness (suffering now = 10x happiness later)

[livid drum]

Well it's very difficult but that doesn't disprove the principle

that we cant measure a metre exactly doesn't disprove the existance of length

[fierce scroll]

Well how else can you prove that there is a way to say that good outweighs the bad

[livid drum]

That you cant measure something exactly doesnt mean that we cant discern them over very big differences

If i save a person from death but slap him in the face, is this not a moral and just act?

if i kill him but give him flowers, is this not evil?

(in a vacuum of course, again)

[fierce scroll]

Moral based on our principles yes

But if you were to ask something that isnt human if it was moral it varies

[livid drum]

Yes, and what are those principles but the avoidance of suffering and the search for happiness?

That is what I believe is universal

The differences simply arise from different (often reasoned out) views on how to go about this

[fierce scroll]

See I think we’re arguing whether or not suffering and happiness are morals themselves

[livid drum]

No, i dont dispute that theyre states of being

But the avoidance or seeking of those states of being is what is immoral or moral

[fierce scroll]

So you’d say that “happiness is good” as long as no one is harmed yes?

And that’s universal yes?

[livid drum]

Yes, as long as suffering doesn't come from said happiness

Or at the very least as long as happiness outweighs the suffering

[fierce scroll]

Ok the example I have in mind is completely out of pocket

Dym I hit it in dms

[livid drum]

Uhh

Sure I guess if it breaks tos lol

I'll respond here though

Yes that probably would have broken tos

Yeah well I mean it's possible to come up with states of being that are counterintuitive or otherwise bizarre followings of the principle of utility

[fierce scroll]

But that’s my point, it just aint universal in those cases

[livid drum]

But that's not what im after, in attempting to prove the universality of the principle of utility: even the person in your example is doing that because they gain pleasure from it

I cant in good conscience call your example outright bad either in a vacuum - provided theres appropriate consent and all of the rest

The universality im after is simply that any proof of something being "moral" always is reducable to utility

[fierce scroll]

So would you say, in the example i gave, that what the person is doing is morally and universally good

[livid drum]

Well youve accurately found the gray zone of utilitarianism, and youve put me in a bit of an embarrassing position but in all honesty if theres no harm from it and as mentioned appropriate consent is given and the rest, then yes

[fierce scroll]

And that’s why I can’t believe in utility either

[livid drum]

Right but attempt to prove to me it's bad

I wager you wont be able to do that without referring to utility

[fierce scroll]

I dont think it’s universally bad

Id say it’s subjectively bad

[livid drum]

Perhaps but any proof of any bad or good still ends up in the same place

Yes, sometimes if we then apply the "discovered" principle to very far extremes we find grayness in it

but any reduction still ends up in the same place

[fierce scroll]

In the case that in my example the dead person did not consent would it then be morally bad

[livid drum]

Well it's a little gray for sure, i'll give you that

There are some ways to rectify this, but theyre not always elegant and smooth

We could refer to the concept of dignity, which is commonly applied to both the living and the dead in todays legislation

[fierce scroll]

But I mean so the issue lies in that if we start applying it to every situation (what I mean by universal) it doesn’t always work

Mb my brain is scattered just finish your point

[livid drum]

Nono, your point is accurate to some extent

There is an example called the utility monster - wherein a hypothetical creature gains more happiness from any resource given to it than the resource had

Any life sacrificed results in a numerical increase

[fierce scroll]

Ohh yeaah I have heard about this

[livid drum]

Im not crazy enough to argue this is good lol

But even so, any proof of why this is bad will still end up referring to suffering

Suffering inflicted on the lives sacrificed, for one

Thats the extent of "provable" universality i guess, even though this proof too is a negative one and not a positive one

[fierce scroll]

Ig to say what I’m looking for in universal moral truth is that it can be applied to any situation and it be correct thus it’s both universal (any situation) and true (correct)

[livid drum]

Fair enough, It is in all real honesty not reasonable to contend that these extreme situations are "good"

But any attempt at moral groundwork will inevitably end up in utility

And so i cant accept a fully relative or emotivist order either

[fierce scroll]

But wouldnt utility just always rely based on the number of beings who experience “good”

[livid drum]

And the extent, yes

Bentham in his original proof of the principle laid out something later dubbed the felicific calculus, which has the areas of utility mapped out

It's quite elegant, though of course impossible to quantify in any absolute sense

sorry im getting esl:d

i didnt mean intent

extent, yes, as in depth of how much suffering or happiness

[fierce scroll]

So if you were left alone on a planet with one psychopath who wanted to kill you, in what utility would you argue against the psychopath that you musnt be killed for their happiness

Is that tos? Should I delete that

[livid drum]

Nah I think youre good

[fierce scroll]

Aight

[livid drum]

Well for starters, i probably couldn't convince a psychopath of anything but if the psycopath attempted to ever reason to me why they should be allowed to kill me they would have to eventually refer to their own happiness for it

But of course in classical utilitarianism the pain on me (death) is greater than the happiness for the psycho, therefore my death is bad

[fierce scroll]

Ig in that case it would be based on happiness that is correct

But in the situation that the psychopath feels no discernible emotion

[livid drum]

Well people are still capable of acting out immoral things, and i doubt any proof can be conceived as to why the psychopath murdering me might be moral in such a vacuum

[fierce scroll]

True, but would it be immoral is my question

[livid drum]

I think its possible to argue its immoral but no way to argue its moral

At least no way without referring to happiness, which can then be used to reduce it to a principle

[fierce scroll]

But I mean my argument is that it isnt moral at all since what the person did isnt out of any desire

Or sorry

Cannot be based on morality

[livid drum]

Does my suffering in that situation not matter then?

Is an act's only morality reducable to its intent? I dont think so

[fierce scroll]

In this world where there’s only two of you?

Who’s to say

[livid drum]

Well I mean I think I can say that its bad

[fierce scroll]

And your proof of it being bad is because you can experience suffering

[livid drum]

Any proof any observer might have would end in the same

[fierce scroll]

Wuh

Oh i get it

Sorry it’s like 4 hours past by bed time

[livid drum]

np lol

yeah I mean youre right that I cant say that every situation will end up objectively "good" if we follow the principle of utility absolutely

[fierce scroll]

Except by his observation because he feels no moral justification or injustification in your death

[livid drum]

Yeah but that he doesn't care about morals doesnt disprove the existance of morality

Its the animal again

Even if he doesnt care, he's still doing that for the same reason i dont want it to happen: he seeks to maximize his happiness and I mine

[fierce scroll]

Like I said this person doesnt feel any emotions

[livid drum]

I mean I dont think that matters, does the animal feel provable emotions?

[fierce scroll]

Hunger, fear

[livid drum]

Does the psychopath not feel those?

[fierce scroll]

Not all of them

[livid drum]

Maybe but since suffering and happiness are the source of morals, theyre not tied to emotions

[fierce scroll]

Although perhaps hunger is more of a state of being

Fear however is

[fierce scroll]

Would you say a psychopath who feels no fear or happiness has nor morals then

Or sorry, suffering

[livid drum]

Yes

Well psychopaths can still suffer and find pleasure

[fierce scroll]

Not all of them

[livid drum]

but a hypothetical creature without capacity for happiness or pain (lets say, a rock)

is an amoral creature

[fierce scroll]

Wait so is a person in a coma amoral then?

[livid drum]

Theres some gray zone to that, but we can refer to concepts like dignity again or the potential for that person to awaken

As you already pointed out, I cant prove to you that every applied situation ends up perfectly moral through this principle

[fierce scroll]

Mm alright yeah I think I’ll say “Fair enough” and thank you for the conversation

[livid drum]

but I can (although it is a negative proof) prove that this principle cannot be questioned as the source of proofs

[livid drum]

It was a fun chat, have a good one chief

[fierce scroll]

But yeah ig to me this is the last thing that needs to be proven for me to believe that there is such a thing as a univeral morality

Not universal states of being

But morality itself

[livid drum]

Fair, though I'd say to this that the inverse is also full of holes: a fully relativist or emotivist worldview would ignore the inherent universality (even if that universality is not complete and also has holes) that pain and happiness have

[fierce scroll]

Yup, all’s fair. You have a good one too gamer

[livid drum]

👋

[slow carbon]

||catherine|| what is this discussion ||triflame|| even about ||ivodad||

[cerulean raven]

Where Fruma

[ruby crescent]

Frums 2028

[ember knoll]

Are there any prof bombs out there? Need to hit lv 100

[signal parcel]

Actually soon

[ember knoll]

A few months probably

[signal parcel]

I think the announcement is in the next couple of weeks

They're posting teasers on X n all that

[ember knoll]

It WAS suppose to release before 2026 but they needed more time

I bet late March or April

[signal parcel]

Yeah I think that too

Beta is probably late February

[near plank]

Generational fumble, who is gonna have time to play during those months?

[ember knoll]

I bet most ppl

plus newcomers

[silent siren]

ok so hytale came out before fruma

let’s see now if gta 6 does the same thing

[bronze isle]

wynncraft will be moving over to gta 6

[raw mortar]

More crypto nonsense, mods get it out of here :P

[hasty nebula]

<@&268142859327242242>

[gaunt epoch]

unfortunately i think they may have had a slight delay

[bronze isle]

salted is getting the next pipe bomb

[raw mortar]

Gta is moving their game engine to hytale

[gray bramble]

When furma

[ashen sonnet]

when i sneeze

[silent siren]

u mean gta 6 or fraudma?

[gaunt epoch]

Well it wasnt salteds house that had an explosion and got set on fire

[silent siren]

well than maybe yall might win the race

in like 2029

[cerulean raven]

https://tenor.com/view/rabies-beavis-and-butt-head-skunk-feral-wild-animal-gif-9658052923009453608

[near plank]

Yeah, it was his third yacht

🤣

Lowkey though, props to salted for actually going through with Fruma, been waiting almost a decade and it'll be worth it.

[ruby crescent]

Fruma never btw

[ember knoll]

Fruma in 2 months

trust

[cerulean raven]

we should start a riot

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

[rich flax]

funnily enough, someone actually modded hytale to make gta 5 playable within it somehow

along with DOOM and an alpha Minecraft version

from within the fcking in-game map

[raw mortar]

yeah seems like they can just run any executable loll

[muted scaffold]

for real

[opaque star]

is that the SBR logo

[muted scaffold]

what is sbr

[opaque star]

..

[muted scaffold]

im new

[opaque star]

2nd highest rated manga of all time

[muted scaffold]

idk

like not everyone watch manga

[fierce glen]

wynntale...

[umbral pumice]

2wynn2craft

[muted scaffold]

wynncraft2?

[fierce glen]

wynncraft 3

we alr had wynncraft 2

[muted scaffold]

bro

[fierce glen]

we are on wynncraft 2

will fruma be 2.2 or 3.0

[muted scaffold]

so is a new game

or just update

[fierce glen]

no its not lol

just update

[muted scaffold]

cool

[fierce glen]

supposedly the biggest

this is gonna be do or die for wynn

[muted scaffold]

when is the last update

[fierce glen]

last big update was 2.1 in august 2024

[muted scaffold]

more mythic gear

or new class

i want them add more mode

like raid lootrun

[ruby crescent]

2.2

[toxic frigate]

[plucky python]

Wynntale coming? 👀👀

[muted scaffold]

what is wynntale

[plucky python]

Wynncraft ok hytale..?

On*

[narrow halo]

why would it

tell me the release date of hytale

[plucky python]

didn't they literally post a teaser

[narrow halo]

think logically here

[narrow halo]

yeah but what do you think it was for

[nocturne dagger]

Why do you want wynntale more than fruma?

[plucky python]

I didn't get that far into wynncraft to know what drums is bruh

Fruma

[nocturne dagger]

Then get further

[plucky python]

Yeah but I'm so gooood tho

[frank nova]

Wynntale would be cool for getting more people into wynn but I’m excited for fruma

[solid silo]

literally the tutorial of the game is "we are coming from fruma and our cart crashed"
how could you not know what fruma is

[plucky python]

i didn't pay attention to the tutorial bro I did it once and then skipped the rest

[solid silo]

Didnt pay attention to peak smh

[nocturne dagger]

I just skip through all the dialogue

[solid silo]

sad

[narrow halo]

i mean fruma is pretty much throwaway dialogue if you have just started

gets more relevant a few dozen levels in

[solid silo]

you can know what fruma is without caring about it

[narrow halo]

no like you wouldnt pass any thought into it without having any context at all

until later on as mentioned

[nocturne dagger]

The player is supposed to be from fruma, right?

[narrow halo]

yea

[muted scaffold]

like wynntale is hytale?

[narrow halo]

where all humans are from

[plucky python]

I got to level 50 bro but gathering gear is a pain

So like I'm good

[plucky python]

I thought I saw a teaser on twitter from wynncraft

[nocturne dagger]

How are you level 50 and don’t know about fruma bro

[plucky python]

It was just wynncraft and then a blurred hytale logo

[plucky python]

CUZ IM GOOD OFFA THAT...

[narrow halo]

its not hytale dawg

how do you think a 10+ year old server is going to be ported to a game thats only been released a few days ago

people got to ask that to themselves

[muted scaffold]

i search a viedo from youtube

[thin eagle]

salted has been in kahoots with riot and hypixel for 7 years

he has it ready to go

[muted scaffold]

xd

[plucky python]

This is why

[narrow halo]

facepalm

how do you think a 10+ year old server is going to be ported to a game thats only been released a few days ago

[thin wren]

Not even a official hytale account btw

[plucky python]

Dude obviously im not saying I expect shit to be out next week

I mean if it's even considered or in the works

[narrow halo]

what do you think "we've been waiting 7 years for this" means then

[plucky python]

This maybe

[narrow halo]

hytale has been on and off development cycles being repeatedly cancelled and transferred ownership between riot

[gaunt epoch]

don't blame people

every sentence in that tweet is specifically made to be hytale bait

[narrow halo]

it hasnt been developed for 7 years at a single cycle

[narrow halo]

yeah and that was a stupid idea

[plucky python]

Yeah but it's not like that was from the get go

That happened later

[narrow halo]

you get people being misled

[plucky python]

Waiting for 7 years is literally the very first teaser of hytale

[gaunt epoch]

the tweet didn't get 400k views by coincidence

[plucky python]

Before it was sold to riot or whatever

[plucky python]

I mean

Looking back at the tweet now

There's red in the blurred logo so it couldn't even have been

still bait tho

[hollow trellis]

It's not hytale.

[icy rivet]

dont listen to this guy

brah

man but I'd love to get hytale rn

[winged radish]

the engagement bait was so successful

[forest rapids]

does somebody know if wynncraft is custom coded from the ground up or based on something like papermc?

[west fiber]

wynn has roots in 2013

[forest rapids]

yh so?

[raw mortar]

paper didnt exist back then
so yes built from the ground up

edit: spigot did exist already, nevermind

[errant patio]

frumtale CONFIRMED!!!!!

[thin wren]

Ok so watch the video and see he says it wont be lol

[hot idol]

i dont get the hype around wynntale

[tight shuttle]

hello

[hot idol]

like hytale is cool but wynncraft already exists in mc, why would it need to be recreated lmao

would take a ton of time and money to replicate it in a game that only released in early access a few days ago

[thick ibex]

and a lot of stuff would probably need to be cut because hytale is in early access

[reef geyser]

It shouldn't be replicated if they do decide to try something there. May as well start over with something new

[hot idol]

yeah like its fun and definitely has a ton of promise, but iots very mechanically limited atm

[steel burrow]

💔

[hot idol]

yeah maybe, though from a business perspective it might not be worth it when the hype for hytale eventually levels out

[plucky python]

I think it's just cause hytale is already more RPG and exploration like than Minecraft

[hot idol]

yes right

it definitely leans way more into the rpg style atmosphere for its base mechanics

[thin wren]

Cause your average hytale fan doesnt know it takes money to make games

[hot idol]

lmao tragic

[hollow trellis]

Hytale and Wynn are still extremely different tbh. It'll just take an insane amount of work to port Wynn over there, for basically no reason at all

[thin wren]

More rpg doesnt make it more mmorpg style.

[plucky python]

Yeah, there's gonna be RPG servers on hytale eventually anyway

[hot idol]

as of now i think its not mechanically possible either, given hytale is in early access and doesnt yet have msot of its features

[hollow trellis]

Not to mention we'd basically have to abandon almost all of the current playerbase, since it's an entirely different game

[thin wren]

And all the items...

[hollow trellis]

And abilities

Plus the entire map

[plucky python]

I know, but I'm just saying it'd probably be easier and more in tune with the game I guess to make an mmorpg out of hytale than Minecraft

[thin wren]

And all the money spent on ranks cosmetics

[hollow trellis]

• All the other various systems

[plucky python]

Like, if hytale came alongside Minecraft

I guarantee you wynncraft would be on hytale not Minecraft, sadly it didnt

[thin wren]

I mean like if you went to hytale everyone would lose their shit they spent months or even years trying to get (like green mythics)

And that would make people so piss they quit on the spot

[hollow trellis]

Exactly

[hot idol]

honestly it depends on the customizability of the game's server mechanics more than anything

[thin wren]

no

[plucky python]

yeah but that evolved aswell

Evolves*

[hot idol]

true

[plucky python]

spigot and Bukkit didn't exist since the beginning on Minecraft either

[hot idol]

i hope though that hytale tries mroe to diffrentiate itself from mc

[plucky python]

Hytale is just new

It doesn't have the tools now

[plucky python]

same tbh

[hot idol]

like minecraft already exists and it doesnt need a direct competitor, hytale has a chance to do its own thign which i like

[plucky python]

I'm gonna buy it soon but I hope it's not just a Minecraft look alike

[steel burrow]

papermc is already being made on hytale

[plucky python]

That's dope lmao

Hytale also provides excellent modding support

Minecraft didn't do that until really recently with their unobfuscated code versions

[thick ibex]

hytale is pretty barebones compared to mc

[plucky python]

It's early access tho

And they sure as hell didn't work on it for 7 continuous years

Imo they should've waited a little

But then hype would die out, they had to release after they said they bought the game back

[thick ibex]

and they sold it and repurchased it from riot

[plucky python]

yeah

But imagine, they say on "we bought the game back and were developing it again"

And then they say "expect it in a year or two"

Lmao nobody would care anymore

especially not after 7 years

they were basically forced to deliver the game asap

[raw mortar]

Well people did manage to keep the momentum going for 7 years, i could see 2 more years being possible at that point xd

[plucky python]

not really

the game only got the hype back when the news about it being bought back released

i mean besides some fanatics people thought hytale was dead

If they waited another year or two people would be like "oh hytale released, eh whatever" I swear there was a game like that

[fringe dome]

im hoping wynntale comes out next week like salted promised

[raw mortar]

There is no other possible outcome

[hollow trellis]

[fringe dome]

waaat

i think that message got deleted so i wont repeat my idea

gg staff ❤️

[fast parcel]

if it was instant deleted it was prob the bot doing it

[limpid viper]

how did i get Tera into my ingredient pouch lol

thats the leggings

lol

[thin wren]

Visual bug

[ruby crescent]

bug is so negative, it's useful for storage

[wooden shuttle]

i remember in one game I was playing there was a bug where you could wear 2 backpacks instead of one for like a week

it was so fun

[patent pivot]

e

[muted scaffold]

do we have a website to check this week's raid chest

[fierce glen]

wynnpool

[muted scaffold]

cant see the tomes

[fierce glen]

they are always the same except for notg

nol and tna have damage/he%

tcc has armor and mysticism tomes

[muted scaffold]

oh really

[dry valley]

FRUMA QUEST LEAK!

At some point an NPC will tell you to hunt down a player by the name of "Eginix_Bexem". This NPC will tell you that once you find this player you are to give all your belongings to him. You HAVE to do this.

[fervent rapids]

Its optional dw about it

I did my research

[muted scaffold]

new raid?

[thin eagle]

grook is this true

[muted scaffold]

if we got new raid

what about the tomes

slot

[nocturne geyser]

Wynncraft in Hytale when?

[thick ibex]

[thin eagle]

we're all waiting for more teasers!!!

it looks like we're still on the one per 3 day schedule

[charred plinth]

this is missing important context i will point out

simon essentially brought the game and went back from a stage of when we first heard of the game

I.e that seven years of development wasn't put in to the game simon released. (i'm guessing this build is from around the time he retired)

[muted scaffold]

just dont make the game more die

[fierce glen]

we dont rly need to get new tomes

[umbral pumice]

phew, 75

[fierce glen]

seeing as tcc is the only raid with fixed armor/mysticism tomes rn that would prob be the best to have in the new fruma raid

[umbral pumice]

im probably not even half way to 100 lol

[thick ibex]

have fun with bob

[fierce glen]

then the rest is just gear drops exclusive to that raid

[wooden shuttle]

bob raid

Tbf bob was supposed to kind of be a raid

a hard multiplayer boss

[thin wren]

Everytime this is asked you're delaying it by 5 years. Right now we are looking at a 3125 year release date

[ruby gulch]

when is wynntale
is wynntale coming
is wynncraft moving to hytale
will hytale also have wynncraft

[patent brook]

i spent like half an hour trying to kill Death in the tower of ascension with my glass cannon fallenmonk build and I think it just ain’t happening at level 71 boss

i might need to like, hire mercs or something

how can i nearly solo galleon and get STOMPED by death lol

[thin wren]

Is new tweet about wynntale?
Hytale trailer 7 years ago 👀
Wynn would be MUCH better in Hytale
Wynn should completely give up on MC
Port Wynn to Hytale, is fast and easy
Wynntale logo confirmed??

[muted scaffold]

do u think new player should lv up first then do the raid or lv50 just do the raid for troll

[charred plinth]

raid's scale

[patent brook]

can’t really nuke a 400k hp bar ranged unit from orbit like you can most other bosses with normal patterns i suppose

[thin wren]

Just do notg when you unlock it

[muted scaffold]

tru

i did 70% dmg for solo notg

[charred plinth]

Death is a power jump i'd like to point out btw

[muted scaffold]

2 player lv60

[frigid depot]

its called levelscaling

[muted scaffold]

and just die

[patent brook]

I can tell

[muted scaffold]

and saying shit thing

[patent brook]

I’m getting torn asunder out here

[thin wren]

ToA was made with 8 player parties in mind

[charred plinth]

doesn't help that some of the bosses are really good at one shotting you

[thin wren]

2014 was a different time

[charred plinth]

i think two? of the bosses death can summon are outright one shots

unless you're so heavy on the ehp it's stupid

[patent brook]

To be fair if and when i DO take this thing out i think the champ set is like the biggest power jump i’ll get since broken balance

[frigid depot]

Bullshit game design 💔

[crimson olive]

wait what

[charred plinth]

you need to be level 75 btw

[patent brook]

as it is in many ways a perfect late-midgame upgrade to my current millennium+brokenbalance paradigm of “can’t kill me if we’re all dead”

[charred plinth]

you do get punched in the face if you're below 75 when you do it

[naive snow]

THE LOGO CLEARLY HAS GREEN LEAVES UP AND DOWN

IT'S OBVIOUSLY WYNNTALE

[patent brook]

I’m level 71, by the time i stop sucking at Temple of Legends enough to actually complete it I’ll probably be 75

[charred plinth]

can't remember is CoW reverted?

Because if not that's probably the only reason temple of legends is difficult

[patent brook]

Not relevant, i keep dying to the miniboss trio in the first step 😔

[hidden marlin]

i just started why are there boats everywere

[thin eagle]

your texturepack didnt load ronald

[patent brook]

NONE of these clowns are weak to water and they do WAY too much damage

[thin eagle]

are you using lunar

[hidden marlin]

oh

ya

[thin eagle]

it do be doin that

boatcraft

[patent brook]

I cannot figure out a way to start a combo reliably. My standard Knockback Charge -> Half-Moon Uppercut opener doesn’t work

Because when i impact target i am then turned into a fine red mist

[hidden marlin]

what do you think i can use i use thats not luner

[thin eagle]

vanilla should be fine

a lot of people here just use vanilla launcher + sodium + qol mods

[hidden marlin]

ok

[patent brook]

get wynntils. lets you put waypoints.

is nice.

[patent brook]

The thing is my build struggles with combat based on a bell curve

On one end is very large amounts of small enemies

On the other is one very large enemy

Three decently large enemies is too few to blitz with AOE and too many to properly focus a target without leaving myself vulnerable

I think that like the tower this is a scenario where i need backup

But anyone who’s interested in doing ToL has probably already done ToL… it’s one of those situations

[patent brook]

Probably just gonna have to hire some mercs with emeralds and elemental protection scrolls

[twilit coyote]

@west obsidian you're STX annihilator ingame yeah?

[west obsidian]

yes

[twilit coyote]

would you be cool with me dming you some pics of old stuff in my bank, unsure how interested you'd be in them or if they're even tradable but thought you'd want to take a look

[west obsidian]

ok sure

[twilit coyote]

bet

[pallid jackal]

Hey

i am invisible of a kind

[muted scaffold]

bro who are u

i cant see

[frigid depot]

I cant say your name

Is your memories gone?

Are you feeling numbs?

[muted scaffold]

are u ???

[modern knoll]

Looking for ToA F7 boss party

[twilit coyote]

bugged out class while looking at old stuff that I wanted to share with everyone else lol

[ruby crescent]

peam song

[onyx kettle]

z\

[raw mortar]

Again with the cryptoslop / scambait...

Should really blacklist that url

[barren yarrow]

vulcan mod just imcomptive with wynntil

[mental tapir]

1.21.11 version is compatible if you disable the auto apply resource pack feature

[barren yarrow]

tks i ll try

[barren yarrow]

where i can disble this

[mental tapir]

Wynntils settings menu

[barren yarrow]

Does it have a significant impact on gameplay?

[mental tapir]

The resource pack feature? No not really, just means it gets applied when the game launches vs when joining the server

[final torrent]

how do u guys pronounce aldorei

aldor-ay, or aldor-eye

[frigid depot]

Note that Vulkan isnt supported by most mods

[barren yarrow]

just test it out

[frigid depot]

OpenGL is still the standard of Minecraft

[barren yarrow]

not gud

back to sodium

[vestal raven]

why go to Vulkan though?

[thorn parcel]

al door eye

[barren yarrow]

because i have free time

[final torrent]

i'm ignoring you because you're wrong, thank you for your time

/joking
thank u for ur input

[vestal raven]

Aaah yes that explains

Sodium it is then

[barren yarrow]

just kidding
vulcan provide more fps compared to sodium

and my monitor up to 300hz

[vestal raven]

it does give more>

?*

but isnt vulkan basically only good for AMD?

[barren yarrow]

200x make me unpleasant

[barren yarrow]

its depand on pc

[vestal raven]

ofcourse it does

[barren yarrow]

not really

That 2019 mindset

But vulcan better on mobile device, smaller device

[mental tapir]

There's a resource pack on modrinth that fixes some issues with the wynn rp and vulkan

[barren yarrow]

damnn

Tks

tks

[vestal raven]

Yes that's when I tried to use it

[frigid depot]

Vulkan onlys work on newer hardwares

Compared to OpenGL / DirectX Vulkan gives way more fps

With DirectX you got DXVK (backed by Valve afaik)

For OpenGL I dont think theres any converters

[vestal raven]

Okay but there has to be something wrong with vulkan otherwise many games would support it right

[frigid depot]

Lazy devs, game too old or both

[barren yarrow]

Because game developers don’t want to take risks

[frigid depot]

Vulkan is relatively new

Most of the time you can just throw DXVK in and it Works™

Doom Eternal does has native Vulkan support

[barren yarrow]

It’s similar to how app and game developers sometimes make backdoor deals with hardware vendors, which is why you may feel that one brand runs more smoothly in certain apps, a typical example being NVIDIA and AMD

[lofty parcel]

what is the best mage archtype for lootruns? (preferably using warp mythic)

[shut stag]

I like cats

[barren yarrow]

me too, they taste good🐧

[barren yarrow]

wait why on 1.21.11 the scoreboard dissappear

[frigid depot]

Do you have wynntils

[barren yarrow]

yes

[frigid depot]

Wynntils is doing that

Scoreboard is hidden unless you are in a party afaik

[barren yarrow]

oki

[mental tapir]

Various features that mimic the scoreboard info have options to remove the scoreboard counterpart, can all be turned off if you prefer the scoreboard though

[fast parcel]

<@&268142859327242242>

[gaunt epoch]

they got george bush

[fast parcel]

Dude he was so real he revived dukio in the wynndata discord

Dude popped out after 5 years 2mo just to ban George bush in 30 seconds 🫡

[fervent cloak]

what the f

[strong breach]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[shy mulch]

Hmmm im back

[thin wren]

Without dming him, heres how

Download curseforge, modrinth or prism, use discover mods, you're welcome

[shy hemlock]

thanks!

i didnt know how to do this.

[thin wren]

!!!!!!!!!!!

Guy made his discord yesterday and joined here today, nice try scamming

[frigid depot]

How about a report on yourself?

[raw mortar]

Can we just go back to mr beast :(

At least the -71% on aura is legit

[elder gazelle]

[strong breach]

this did not work, my head is stuck in the washing machine now, step-brother help! 😱

[thin wren]

Ok try downloading his malware script

[strong breach]

this worked tho, my game is now ray traced and i became one with salted thru assimilation om nom nom

[strong breach]

it worked out just fine for me

[thin wren]

48 hours remain.

[manic surge]

[solid tendon]

This guy's a scammer right?

[frigid depot]

Take a wild guess

[solid tendon]

Hmmm

Nahhhhh

He looks legit fr

[molten flame]

I like sending ---- to scammer bots because its funny

Plus what are they gonna do about it

Its a bot

[solid tendon]

Jk but i was just interested in what this guy is sending the people that sliding into his thing

[solid tendon]

It told ya anything or nah

[molten flame]

Nah i havent dmed it

Dont care to either

[solid tendon]

Alr

[worthy chasm]

we do noww!!!!

[verbal moth]

when fruma

[ashen sonnet]

when the sun goes down

[cyan mantle]

ermgi

[tiny magnet]

Hey total noob question but how do the crates work I bought like 10 but can’t figure it out

Nvm I figured it out

[thin eagle]

your a pro now

[raw nebula]

caps lock key was annoying me
changed it to a second escape key <3

[junior horizon]

bro what

[tiny magnet]

Thanks for the vote of confidence haha

[muted scaffold]

wtf ur wynnpool dev

[raw nebula]

blinks "why is it dark"
memory sauce

[gentle quarry]

anyone wanna do ??? with me

[leaden trellis]

hello peeps

[fierce glen]

‼️

[muted scaffold]

u see

they just add

[cerulean raven]

https://twitter.com/Wynncraft/status/2013685862567919759

Wynncraft, the Minecraft MMORPG (@Wynncraft)

🦋⚖️

X · Jan 20, 2026, 6:51 PM

chat fruma confirmed

https://tenor.com/view/jeong43va-crabs-are-these-crabs-fish-gif-12132424976319059537

[thin eagle]

aeq confirmed

[cerulean raven]

butterfly and justice

[gaunt epoch]

The canonization of aeq in fruma has been confirmed

i worked so hard for this

[normal dirge]

Is this like the guild content everyone was waiting for?

[muted scaffold]

what does that mean

[normal dirge]

You havent heard of the famous TBUH guild?

They used to live in little wood Ragni

[muted scaffold]

idk

[urban pecan]

Community hate

I am ch

[patent brook]

is the trade market JUST for items or can i put out a request for services as well

because i kinda wanna hire some mercs to help me with the three minibosses near the start of ToL

[onyx kettle]

you Are ch

[patent brook]

i can fight a single target with high power just fine. three targets is too many - i can't split my damage like that

[narrow halo]

trade market is in fact an auction house mechanic that you will find in any mmo ever

so no

[patent brook]

yeah, yeah, as in the discord channel, wiseguy

[narrow halo]

just open a public party with /party

or #🔍looking_for_group

[patent brook]

i guess that could work

thanks

[narrow halo]

chances are your build sucks which is why you are having trouble so go do caves around your level to quickly loot better shit onlevel

or whatever other loot procurement method

[patent brook]

my build is actually pretty decent - i can beat most stuff on-level

the issue is, uh... i'm a bit of a glass cannon

[rare needle]

does this thing have ause by now?

[steel burrow]

i like the idea to treat wynncraft like a real mmorpg

[patent brook]

i have a hybrid fallen-battlemonk thing going that's actually pretty powerful against bosses and large crowds of weak enemies

[narrow halo]

okay dont use hybrid archetypes during progression

[patent brook]

but i can't handle small groups of powerful enemies without someone to draw aggro

[narrow halo]

ur better off focusing one archetype

and avoid battlemonk 😹

difficult archetype to play

[patent brook]

i'm not too much of a rookie you know

just countered by this one specific instance

[narrow halo]

as in you get much more power focusing one archetype with the general rule that you get more powerful down the skill tree

but if its been working who am i to say then

[patent brook]

lemme recreate my build

[steel burrow]

i wouldnt trust xxtentacion fan

[patent brook]

if i could find a helmet that sucked less than AVALANCHE for my build we might be in a better spot so i might consider scrounging around for something that doesnt suck lol

[steel burrow]

1973

[narrow halo]

crosspathing is generally relegated to late to endgame where you have ap to spare after getting all the mileage out of one archetype

[steel burrow]

cant you look online

and hten buy it

[thin eagle]

it does not

[patent brook]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/#CN0+SW-6m62o6W6EMS1l7APWB53A00B0M0K8O1GSW7l1yxldZfE0

Wynnbuilder build:
Avalanche
Millennium
Prayer
Broken Balance
Photon
Sarnfic's Lost Treasure
Vindicator
Witherhead's Talisman
Heaven's Gate []
(Has Tomes)

i'm mostly scrounging for accessory and a helmet upgrade right now

I’ll definitely admit SOME of this gear is under par

[narrow halo]

2k non agi ehp

safe to say thats not a lot

[patent brook]

I said i was a glass cannon XD

[narrow halo]

i think adventurers set literally matches that ehp

💀

[patent brook]

usually they evaporate before they manage to touch me, but unfortunately they are managing to touch me now

level 75 unlocks champion armor which is gonna COMPLETELY change the game on that front

[narrow halo]

i mean like dumping 70 sp into both def and agi and still like 1.7k non agi so w/e

anyway you can just use partial morph and equip more all the way to 8/8 at level 100 to basically cheese progression so theres that

[patent brook]

yea

[patent brook]

the issue is there is very few armor sets that have both good spell damage AND good health that i can realistically use

so I’m sort of made of glass

[narrow halo]

morph

relatively speaking

[patent brook]

i could morphmax yeah

i might redistribute stats and see if i can skirt past this with 6/8 morph

but Broken Balance basically doubles my damage due to that +100% spell dmg mod

and 5/8ths morph with broken balance would actually provide LESS overall HP than my current build does

[naive snow]

+100% isn't double damage

[patent brook]

you can see why i wanna just hire someone to draw aggro for me while i tear the minibosses apart with 5k dmg uppercuts now

[naive snow]

it's a increase to your raw spell damage

[patent brook]

alright fair enough

[patent brook]

In this context

How much of my spell damage output is broken balance related

Because checking the math of no boots versus yes boots it’s at least 40%

[austere lava]

Quick question, what's the weakest class in Wynn?

for a challenge

[onyx kettle]

mage

idk actually

[patent brook]

All of them, if they’re working alone

Two players fighting 20 monsters will be far easier than one player fighting 10.

[austere lava]

Then I'm gonna do one I've never done before! Shaman

[patent brook]

Shaman’s the most complicated but it’s very fun

[patent brook]

So I can’t really take off the boots that want me to die because they’re the backbone of my build right now

ultimately my best option might be to finish ToA and get the champion gear then grind to level 75 and use it

[silent gull]

.

[patent brook]

But then I have to figure out how to kill Death.

It all circles around to “I probably need a party for this in one way or another” XD

[gloomy stump]

fruma when

[narrow halo]

No it doesnt

More ehp + you have skill points to dump in str/dex

or def/agi for ehp

And you get -5 raw mana costs for 2nd and 4th spell

[patent brook]

The more skill points I am dumping in str and dex, the lamer my spells are

[narrow halo]

Str/dex are a multiplicative boost

[patent brook]

The dex buff is only to main attack and basically all of my damage is from spells-

[patent brook]

oh, now you have my attention.

[narrow halo]

Quadratically with their respective elements as well

Boosts all damage otherwise

Note that crits on dex are a 100% additive boost so ur not magically doing 4x damage with thunder weapons

[patent brook]

For the record most of my damage is water

Which to me justifies the int level

[narrow halo]

Int is less important

For example -raw mana costs from morph are more effective

[patent brook]

oh that IS raw mana cost

[narrow halo]

Full morph you get -5 cost to all spells

[patent brook]

for the record I didn’t know how to put it on wynnbuilds but my spear is double water powdered

[patent brook]

what if I split half my current int stat investment into str and either def or dex

conceptually I don’t want to rely on crits

[narrow halo]

powder format you put (e/t/w/f/a)(1 to 6)

[patent brook]

thx

[narrow halo]

e.g. w4

and concatenate them for more slots like w4w4 to activate weakest water powder special

[patent brook]

of course I have curse 1 on it

albeit I don’t really… use powder specials often as a spell-based build

I do have kill streak on my chestplate currently but that’s about it

[narrow halo]

water gets the added benefit of having the best armor powder special with concentration for free additional water damage on mana use

which is free damage for spell builds

[patent brook]

oh yeah I really should waterpowder my armor too

fair enough

[patent brook]

let me change the stat distribution

[narrow halo]

why kill streak when you dont have thunder damage

kill streak is also very situational anyways

[patent brook]

are those damage buffs type specific

I was hoping not

[narrow halo]

yea

specific to their elements

[patent brook]

ah, whatever

I’ll try and get some water4s for my leggings then

how about this stat split instead

if I need to I can also cook some potions/scrolls/food I DO have at least 40 in all the consumable professions

Including a +15% elemental resist scroll kicking around in storage for when the stars align

[narrow halo]

you shouldnt need consumables from professions at any point or professions at all really

the niche is at endgame e.g. annihilation event with scrolls

[patent brook]

Actually, it’s saved my hide a couple times. You can make some stock loot and XP buffs pretty easily if you know where to rummage

[narrow halo]

you shouldnt need anything more than the skill pots from the potion merchant

[patent brook]

I should be spamming skill pots more yeah

[patent brook]

plus, you can get aforementioned elemental resist as soon as little wood

like its preposterously early lol

[narrow halo]

and i would say to avoid professions until you are well into endgame and desire to level them to be self sufficient instead of relying on others to craft certain broken af crafted item builds

otherwise they arent that useful to be honest

[patent brook]

I’ve just been trying to level them as I go so I don’t have to go back and grind them later. Because that would be lame.

I am well aware of the fact that most crafted GEAR sucks, but scrolls and food are free buffs that don’t have equivalents from merchants and therefore are a priority of mine for the free stats they provide. You can make pretty good loot bonus and xp bonus food early for instance

[narrow halo]

well good luck cuz it gets much progressively harder to level as if youd just left them till endgame with having a dedicated profession crafted item build from having it crafted for you or buying from trade market

[patent brook]

And the less grindin enemies I need to do the better XD

[patent brook]

I’ll probably drop it around level 50 for all of them

[narrow halo]

its a massive time sink

[patent brook]

Yeah

I might just do it opportunistically when skill bombs drop after a certain point

either way,

[patent brook]

you think this’ll work better?

Might do NotG a couple more times for more tomes/aspects also tbh I might be able to cheese old content with new gear

[narrow halo]

if you are running morph you shouldnt need to dump a lot of sp into int or agi

only as much needed for weapon reqs

[patent brook]

fair enough

an even split I think isn’t exactly efficient either though since my weapon primarily deals water and air damage after the powders

[narrow halo]

you still get more damage dumping into str/dex split though

[patent brook]

is it not multiplicative with the +% water and air damage

[narrow halo]

due to order of operation shenanigans

[narrow halo]

global damage boosts from str/dex apply after everything

it should be more damage but you can tinker with the sp distributions and find out

[patent brook]

correct me if I’m wrong… so the order is
Normal damage on weapon is transmogrified to water damage by powder,
then water damage is buffed by int,
then str/dex global boost applies

[narrow halo]

theres a damage calculation graph somewhere

[patent brook]

this is all complicated by the fact that my boots, which will continue to be vital to the function of this whole system until I can manage to finish tower of ascension, are a -7 to ALL skills

but I NEED to wear them for the absurd +101% spell damage

[narrow halo]

attack speed already compensated for with the base dps of the weapon thats used for spells

[ember portal]

good class with healing and ok damage

[patent brook]

the thing is, right, that once I manage to get ahold of a set of champ armor from the tower I can have my cake and eat it too

[narrow halo]

mage has built in healing

and has mediocre damage so there you go

[patent brook]

since that has both 7000 raw hp bonus and a +75% spell dmg multi simultaneously

[patent brook]

Okay so raw IDs apply BEFORE multipliers

Balatro style

[narrow halo]

no

raw ids apply after

otherwise they would be mega broken

[patent brook]

…

So they apply BEFORE conversions, yet AFTER multis?

[hexed sigil]

Wynncrat hytale mod when? Would be so sick

[narrow halo]

(base dps * conversion values * ids) + raw spell for spell damage general gist

[narrow halo]

thats melee damage

[patent brook]

so flat melee damage gets mixed in BEFORE conversions, but flat spell dmg gets mixed in AFTER

[narrow halo]

wait nvm i read that wrong

uhh basically the raw ids arent multiplied by the percent ids

so you dont get mega mongo scaling from that

[patent brook]

okay okay so I do not care about raw IDs very much

good to have that officially confirmed

[narrow halo]

no you will care for raw ids for weapons with lower base dps

e.g. mage generally has lower base dps weapons

but yeah its sort of a decision between spell percentage and raw spell

on paper atleast

[patent brook]

i still feel like I should probably hire some goons to help me finish tower of ascension lol

I’m not killing death myself that ain’t happening I’ve given it a good try and the best I can get is like 60% hp left

[narrow halo]

should clarify the interaction

[patent brook]

I’ll try 5/8ths morph with broken balance and even stat spread and see what the results look like

[wispy meteor]

what level are you?

[patent brook]

here’s an example of a single bash hit from my build pre-any alteration

[patent brook]

71, I’m just a glass cannon and can’t sustain against Death without some backup

[wispy meteor]

if you ask me, wait until 75

not only is that the best level to maximise rewards from the quest

[narrow halo]

i cant tell you what are good damage numbers for low levels

[wispy meteor]

you can use 6/8 morph

[narrow halo]

also what sayori said

[wispy meteor]

which will probably help a bit

[patent brook]

yeah yeah morph I get it

[wispy meteor]

idk it was just the build you said you were using-

what archetype is this

[patent brook]

If I use the boots I lose like, 40% of my spell damage

[patent brook]

It’s a mess is what it is

[wispy meteor]

may i see?

i might be able to help a lil

[narrow halo]

if they took my advice theyd be either going pure fallen or paladin

[wispy meteor]

since i'm currently levelling my warrior too

[patent brook]

^

[wispy meteor]

i beat ToA sometime in the last few days

[narrow halo]

bloodpact paladin hybrid is also possible to use but just shying away from crosspathing for now

[wispy meteor]

crosspathing fallen/bmonk is a bit weird

[fierce glen]

it works

[patent brook]

While it may seem ridiculous to be splitting between fallen and battlemonk at level 71, I have tested it vigorously throughout the game up to this point and it works gloriously. Until I get hit.

[fierce glen]

just not below endgame

[wispy meteor]

wait can i share a build i'm currently building for once i hit around ~100

because then apollo can also judge me and tell me how to improve the gear

[narrow halo]

yeah hence not crosspathing until then

[wispy meteor]

while you look at the skill tree

[narrow halo]

fallenmonk does work tho on select endgame builds

[narrow halo]

just go pure fallen brudda