🍺general

[icy seal]

they did

[dapper sage]

@gaunt epoch he def need more space

[icy seal]

often

sir

[gaunt epoch]

or well they don't often

[craggy pier]

brooooo my time

[icy seal]

u never took part of anni

?

[subtle cave]

so much for staying up til 2

[wicked glade]

fr

[icy seal]

legit it kicks u out of the game mid fight

[gaunt epoch]

i have been there for practically every annie

[icy seal]

or it crashes lags and stuffs

[wicked glade]

its 2am now

[plush mirage]

@icy seal that dose not matter at all

[icy seal]

well they do

[sudden crag]

we stay til 2am

and crash

[wicked glade]

^

[plush mirage]

it often crashes doesnt mean its fine

[sudden crag]

so fing good

[icy seal]

idk what u telling me bro but im not saying its fine im complaining

servers can t handle

the ammount of players

[wicked glade]

@gaunt epoch is there a chance we get back in or something

[icy seal]

just upgrade atp

no

u got no chance of going back

[dapper sage]

how many annis have there been since its release and theres still these shit ass issues

[sudden crag]

just remove some eu server

and add some as server

[dapper sage]

youd think they learn

[icy seal]

its no point removing a server

servers need a upgrade

they can barely handle

the players

[sudden crag]

nah

[icy seal]

and the slots are devious

[short hemlock]

Connection Reset During ANNI is now funny 🙂

[sudden crag]

cuz only few as server

[gaunt epoch]

why would they do that

[surreal rapids]

a lot peoples servers crashed eh

[icy seal]

bro eu servers kick u out too idk what u telling me about asia servers

[tribal flare]

server close in anni is fun

[icy seal]

it doesen t happen only there

[plush mirage]

almost one year of anni

yet still crashes

[haughty scroll]

I lost my rewards because the server crashed 😄

[sudden crag]

keep balance?

[plush mirage]

omfg i love my life

[surreal rapids]

the servers are separately hosted

[hollow escarp]

well good wynn

[icy seal]

if it crashed there is nothing u can do

[surreal rapids]

i dont see how eu servers would affect NA

[icy seal]

there is no getting ur scrolls or anything back

its gone

[wicked glade]

fr

[craggy pier]

wp guys

[plush mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-14390726165144583214

[wicked glade]

and we wait so long for NOTHING

[dapper sage]

godly devs 🙏

[icy seal]

@sullen tartaninvest some of those profits into the servers big man

maybe then nobody would complain

[wicked glade]

very cool item

[tribal flare]

we got this bro

[strange frigate]

Its been half a year

[dapper sage]

wowow right after anni is over i get into the server

[plush mirage]

instead of this

[dapper sage]

thanks salted

fuck me

[short hemlock]

wtf

[wanton verge]

I love when some people don't understand how server and hosting infrastructure works

[gaunt epoch]

well yeah why do you think you weren't getting in

[lone field]

so true

[dapper sage]

salted is a stingy mf thats why

[icy seal]

he got in because most of the guys crashed XD

[dapper sage]

and devs arent proactive

[sharp copper]

Its funny to watch

[dapper sage]

thast why

[plush mirage]

my 69stx lq emerlad :(

[gaunt epoch]

it's because it's a SATURDAY AFTERNOON ANNI

[dapper sage]

AND SALTED WANTS MORE MONEY AND DOESNT WANT TO BUY MORE SERVER SPACE

[plush mirage]

o7

[icy seal]

yea and with upgraded servers would this happen?

om a SATURDAY AFTERNOON

[dapper sage]

@gaunt epoch ?

[lusty whale]

you dont understand it do you?

[gaunt epoch]

fr

[icy seal]

there is no finding excuses here

[dapper sage]

i understand salted's rent got raised and he needed more money

thats what i understand

[icy seal]

explain it to us

lil bro

[lusty whale]

you dont understand it

[icy seal]

then explain it to him fam

[dapper sage]

i also understand theres been 10s of 20s of annis since it got released and these issues arrise almost every single time

[sharp copper]

Bro thinks salted got infinite wealth or sum

[unborn pendant]

https://youtu.be/aA7HkW63JkY

[icy seal]

stop yapping ohhh u don t understand shit about servers

[wanton verge]

You have 10 hours of free time? I can try ^^

[icy seal]

u trynna be smart

[dapper sage]

just say ur dumb

[icy seal]

or sum shit

?

[dapper sage]

lmfao

[icy seal]

acting like that ain t finna get u nowhere lil bro

[dapper sage]

bro just yapping out his ass atp

[sand surge]

can we keep anni exactly the way it is please this is very funny

[subtle cave]

im not the sever developer all i know is that anni crashes

[wicked glade]

as3 i will remember u as my first anni

[icy seal]

if u own a server u would try to do anything u can to upgrade the slots keeping in mind u have an event that will break the servers due to overload

like

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/tomori-tomori-takamatsu-takamatsu-tomori-mygo-maigo-gif-16054319193803204563

[dapper sage]

smooth brain ape acting like he knows his shit if you really knew about it you could explain in less than 5 mins but u gotta be a little smartass and say "oh me need 10hours to explain ^^" tryna be all cutesy

shut up

[icy seal]

its braindead to sit here and say mannn u don t understand shit about servers

[plush mirage]

u need 10hrs of time to explain things?

[icy seal]

he just acting smart

[tulip shore]

hmm

[icy seal]

that is what everyone here is doing

even if they are dumb as a rock

[subtle cave]

i dont need to know how to cook to know something tastes shit

[plush mirage]

it took me 5 mins to start a server in my pc

[wanton verge]

Do you know how you connect to internet, do you know how information travels, do you know secure connections?
Do you know the cost and synchronization of server and informations between those servers

[icy seal]

?????????

the google information on server hosting hits hard

[plush mirage]

can u actually give us some information instead of just asking question u dont even know how to answer

[tribal flare]

stop talking shit bro , we lost our time and got nothing now

[surreal rapids]

we dont know exactly how the wynncraft infrastructure is set up

[icy seal]

yes the cost might be high but when u have a HIGH FUCKING PLAYERBASE trying to connect to ur SERVER

[austere star]

not saying that there arent several technical difficulties associated with a minecraft server of this scale

[dapper sage]

blud pulled this shit straight out of a google search 🙏

[austere star]

but its no reason to not complain

[icy seal]

u might do everything in ur fucking POWER

to upgrade

ur damn servers

is that not simple enough

[deep maple]

lol

[unkempt ingot]

true 3k people is alot not like theres another server with more than 12x the player base

[austere star]

hard to implement or not ur still wasting ppl's time

[surreal rapids]

the only thing we can really blame salted for is to not implement some sort of temporary expansion feature

[dapper sage]

there have been 20-50+ annis since release and 90% of the time these problems arise yet the devs arent proactive enough to do anything about it

[wicked glade]

wynns content are great except the servers

[surreal rapids]

since extra permanent servers would just be a waste of resources and money

[dapper sage]

they just let people complain and not even do anything to fix

[plush mirage]

i can accept it if its the fking first time of event like this

but its not

[surreal rapids]

and since we dont know how the infrastructure is set up

[shell fossil]

stayed up till 2am just for server to crash gg

[plush mirage]

and this issue appears everytime

[austere star]

they do things to fix

[icy seal]

its hard to implement for u but that might be the reason he got fucking DEVELOPERS

[subtle cave]

thing got worse overtime 💀

[austere star]

but said fixes generate more issues

and its just a never ending cycle

[surreal rapids]

we cant know for sure if it is feasible to quickl;y boot up a new server

[lusty whale]

@lone nacelle come explain this guy how it works
Annie has been WAY better then it was in the beginning

[dapper sage]

salted got +1 yaht for ur suffering

[plush mirage]

AND THE FIRST TIME IT DID NOT ACTUALLY CRASHES

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-absolute-cinema-gif-11357734032629135578

[surreal rapids]

and for it to be connected to all the essential services

[austere star]

nowadays servers are fine but the proxies seem to be absolute dogshit

the 20 tps 20000ms moment!

[plush mirage]

THE FIRST TIME ATLEAST IT JUST FROZE INSTEAD OF CLOSING ITSELF

[gaunt epoch]

i don't think it's proxies

they're largely fine

[calm tartan]

[surreal rapids]

yo

[gaunt epoch]

it's a weird combination of like, bad internet + proxy lag + models

[austere star]

idk any proxy that isnt eu fucks me over with a single mage teleport

[surreal rapids]

i am in NA

and EU servers work better for me

[wicked glade]

🔥

[austere star]

i dont lack bandwidth

[lusty whale]

my condolences

[icy seal]

wait man it will be implemented in the next year

[craggy pier]

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-cookedd-am-i-cooked-gif-7478847585523279700

[surreal rapids]

yea same

[tribal flare]

[surreal rapids]

😢 get me out

[icy seal]

in eu servers u got every chance in the world to crash urself not the whole server

[austere star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1326582208626032670/attachment.gif

[wanton verge]

Depending when you play. Sometimes I go NA servers because they are sleeping and EU is more full XD

[icy seal]

but its not a better situation than the whole server

[dapper sage]

@lusty whale explain this one 🙏

[mortal dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550350265383911433/1274429928221180095/caption.gif

[dapper sage]

they just bald face lying to the playerbase atp

[austere star]

yea ive heard ppl with 30ms in na reporting na servers are fucked recently

[surreal rapids]

mhm

[dapper sage]

HI ROVER

[surreal rapids]

NA is unplayable sometimes

[haughty magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1334629259268063243/wynnin.gif

[icy seal]

its just server issues u can t argue

with that

like

stop defending its a high cost shi

[lusty whale]

it is

[icy seal]

u can t expect to host a event this big

[austere star]

when eu servers first launched i still had to play na because the eu ones were so bad for me

[icy seal]

and the cost to be low

bro

[deep maple]

you're so silly lol

[austere star]

now its the opposite

[haughty magnet]

stop yapping i deal with 270+ ping all the time so its fine

[feral tree]

Killed boss and server died as soon as chest appeared 😭

[austere star]

bro its not 270 ping its 270000

[icy seal]

wonder why bro

[fervent wing]

Delete anni from the game

[icy seal]

maybe because the servers can t handle the players

[surreal rapids]

2 annies ago my game was 5min behind real time

[icy seal]

maybe

[austere star]

at this point id be satisfied with 500

[surreal rapids]

i was playing in the past

[austere star]

15 minutes here

[deep maple]

you're playing a game for free, why are you so mad

[austere star]

started right when i arrived at roots

[dapper sage]

id assume this is salted's main money maker so why would he not invest into it....

[surreal rapids]

yea

[icy seal]

he just a d rider

[plush mirage]

cuz im not?

[subtle cave]

ok but people with ranks are complaining what

[deep maple]

not you dw

[craggy pier]

sorry my bad

[plush mirage]

then i can complain right?

[icy seal]

even for free for a server this big u would expect a nice experience

is it that hard to understand lmao

[plush mirage]

then why tf a champion acc is like $170 usd

[icy seal]

stop d riding lil bro

[dapper sage]

gang i payed 70$ to support my favorite mc server and they fuck me over like this 🙏

[icy seal]

it will not get u anywhere

[dapper sage]

what is free

[plush mirage]

and they cant afford to pay for a better server hosting

[surreal rapids]

why is it that hard to understand that they are probably trying to fix it

its a complex system

[icy seal]

legit a guy spent 500$ 2 days ago on this server

a single guy

[plush mirage]

yea ik they are fixing it

[icy seal]

from thousands

[dapper sage]

anni has been out for like months

[icy seal]

and yall yapping the cost are big

[plush mirage]

and tried for like fking half an year

[icy seal]

when he does have a revenue

[surreal rapids]

its not really just costs

[austere star]

back when regional servers werent a thing there were no desync issues it was just server tps dying

[surreal rapids]

its tech

[plush mirage]

if its just high cost and no revenue

[austere star]

now its the opposite

[plush mirage]

why tf do they host a server for this long

[dapper sage]

real

truth

so much truth

[surreal rapids]

like yes opening more servers would fix the queue issue

but it would not fix the lag

cuz thats just not how it works

[dapper sage]

tps isnt horrid...

[plush mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[icy seal]

if u had a server and u notice there are problems like this would u try to make it work investing in the hosting and all of those things to fix it right ?

[dapper sage]

even if it drops down to 5 at least u can get into the server and get rewards...

[echo rapids]

anybody wanna play in a party? I'm a lv34 paladin

[surreal rapids]

its part hosting part software imo

[austere star]

dont think the current issues are hosting related

[dapper sage]

not sit in an 80 player queue for 20 mins to not gain anything but anger

[surreal rapids]

like when you have so many people trying to connect to server instances at once while running taxing software

[plush mirage]

i feel like u are in the middle of a gunfight

[surreal rapids]

issues are bound to happen

[dapper token]

at least they need to open more server during the event

[surreal rapids]

it is more an optimization thing

oh yea for sure they do lmao

[austere star]

heres some food for thought

[surreal rapids]

but it is not the single thing that will fix the lag

[austere star]

ok fine you cant fix this desync issue with all players

[surreal rapids]

cuz thats simply not how software works

[austere star]

then dont make a major event that happens every 3 days where ur the most likely to lag out of everywhere else in the game

[cosmic estuary]

you are getting bully for free why you so mad

[austere star]

make it more lenient if its such a gamble with your connection

[dapper sage]

they know its gonna happen yet they dont do anything about it .....

not a single thing waas done to compensate for the player count/lag

[surreal rapids]

yea that would be great

[real acorn]

get a job and make your own server

[icy seal]

?????????

[real acorn]

no lag that way

[fading marsh]

🔥 ✍️

[dapper sage]

they just sit there meat in hand staring at the screen doing nothing

[icy seal]

are u dumb

[silent flume]

🗣️

[austere star]

🔥 ✍️

[dapper token]

In my experience, I have good connection but the server side lag is like shit

[plush mirage]

tf does it matter

[deep maple]

lol, lmao even

[icy seal]

nah bro the d riders are dropping in here like the avengers

[austere star]

they just wanna shittalk lmao

[fading marsh]

🗣️ 🔥

[austere star]

dont fall for the ragebait

[plush mirage]

yea

we are

cuz we are mad that we couldnt play the thing we wanted

[icy seal]

nah i don t think the nerds are able to ragebait

[dapper sage]

me

[plush mirage]

and couldnt get the mythics we wanted

[austere star]

im not saying you are shitalking lmao

[plush mirage]

ik

[austere star]

im on the lagged ppl's side

[plush mirage]

yea sry

[dapper sage]

i was in a 80+ player queue 15 mins before anni was happening

[austere star]

because for 2 weeks now ive been fucked over by it

[dapper sage]

and couldnt even get into the server until anni was over

[plush mirage]

couldnt control myself now

[real acorn]

awww we couldn't get the mythics 🥺

[austere star]

all guild wars and most raids are all in na

[tropic brook]

as3, one of crashed server, was full of champions and heros

[austere star]

i lag like hell in both

im forced to solo annie in eu nowadays cuz all my friends are in na

[plush mirage]

if i cant even complain

[silent flume]

imagine paid and fucked over by lag

😭

[plush mirage]

then fk this shit

[real acorn]

there were servers with zero people doing anni shouldve joined one of those

[austere star]

and in wars i have to dip out of sniping if the server decides to fuck me over

[austere star]

surprise surprise wouldnt have fixed the issue 🤯

[dapper sage]

im a hero and i couldnt even get into the server 🔥

[plush mirage]

except theres none with like 30 queue with each asia server

[icy seal]

nah bro he is the servers detective

he found them

[plush mirage]

i dont care if i didnt get the mythics

[icy seal]

empty servers with a 70 man que

make it make sense

[austere star]

you can be in a 1/50 server and ull still die of desync

[plush mirage]

hell i could just grind and get them from the market

[dapper sage]

this is while anni was going on btw!

[plush mirage]

but the issue is still there

[dapper sage]

sure do love my goated wynncraft server

[plush mirage]

an event in a 2000+ server

makes the server crashes

yet they do nothing about it

or aleast

not doing enough to compensate the problems

its not like they dont have time

they had half an year

and not like they have no money to fix it at all

[dapper token]

Imagine someone earn your money and give you a shit

[plush mirage]

i am both mad and sad that i cant fight a world boss that the devs put so much work into

[real acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/spunch-bop-spongebob-crying-cube-mr-krabs-gif-19973394

[plush mirage]

yea thats me now

crying

like a baby

right

[plush mirage]

and i was getting criticized for feeling sad cuz i cant play a server i like

[halcyon flower]

doesn't even use a collapse; the collapsing comes from doing profs

[austere star]

beware of armor stands

[plush mirage]

nvm i should not complain at all cuz they put effort into fixing it right?

[wanton verge]

Armor stands are buggy so only use them cautiously

[plush mirage]

they spent half an year yet not able to make it not crash

but i shouldnt be mad abt that at all

cuz i dont matter

cuz players in the game doesnt matter

[leaden swallow]

not that deep

[dapper token]

I experienced at least 3 times server crash during anni

they didnt do anything for it

[plush mirage]

yeah not that deep

i know they did smth to try to fix it

but

just

not enough

[leaden swallow]

if they charged money to play the server maybe they could get better servers

you don’t really get to complain about something you choose to play entirely for free

[plush mirage]

so $170usd is not enough

ok

[wanton verge]

Not for a whole new hardvare server

[leaden swallow]

good contribution but no

[subtle cave]

nah bro we have people buying shout bombs shouting meow everyday

[leaden swallow]

not even close

[subtle cave]

$$$

[plush mirage]

then maybe focus on imporving instead of branching out such as making asia servers

fine

[leaden swallow]

thats what was supposed to improve the servers

[wanton verge]

That was improvements. You are closer to server if you are in asia or EU

[halcyon flower]

I can probably estimate wynn's hosting costs, but it's orders of magnitude more than $170.
And the hosting costs aren't even the main expense; I would imagine the main expense is dev time

[leaden swallow]

asia players experienced the most crashes lmao

[wanton verge]

Imagine annie if you are at the other side of the world and only america servers were live

[craggy pier]

and crashed

ok

[leaden swallow]

salted said 8k or smth just to keep it up but that was a while ago

[plush mirage]

its not like arguing with u guys can actually fix anything

why the hell am i even spending time here

[leaden swallow]

real

[plush mirage]

i guess i am the dumber one here

[bleak vault]

For an event as resource-intensive as Annihilation, “buy better server” isn’t likely going to fix it. They’d still be better off to stretch the workload across a few hours than to have 600+ players each generating server requests at the same time

[dry lark]

should i take a gamble chat

[gaunt epoch]

take it

[bleak vault]

Tf are you gambling for

[gaunt epoch]

that's a good roll

you got 95% on two of the important stats and 60% on the other

[wanton verge]

Biggest help if we could accurately pinpoint the cause the server is having problems
It never helps i you just say, something is broken. The help is when you can at least guide the owner where the problems comes from.

[wanton verge]

That is a good roll, keep it

[leaden swallow]

could make it so annihilation runs constantly but the timer instead is on each individual only being able to do it every week or smth

[dry lark]

health regen dont matter?

[gaunt epoch]

not at all no

[leaden swallow]

or maybe make it so players have to sign up for anni in detlas with the general like 11 hours before it starts

[gaunt epoch]

on acolyte you're constantly healing from your blood pool

[leaden swallow]

and theres a cap on signups

[gaunt epoch]

the hpr% is irrelevant

[leaden swallow]

idk

[wanton verge]

That's not better. That means more people will collect and rush and bomb the server at the same time

Because I know there will be goups doing the same time

[surreal rapids]

i feel having an individual cooldown on people is not perfect either

[wanton verge]

Not much unless other armor brings it a lot down to minus

[oblique oasis]

how about anni happen everyday but people are only able to do one anni per 3 days

[surreal rapids]

since wynn doesnt have the highest playercount it might be hard to make parties

[oblique oasis]

so they get option to do any anni in those 3 days

[surreal rapids]

ohh

thats smart actually

i remember someone suggesting annie can be done at anytime but rewards can only be claimed once every 3 days

that would kinda fix the party issue

[wanton verge]

Anni is supposed to be group event... That would make it feel like you need to do it alone and not a group effort

[surreal rapids]

whatever they do i just pray they get it fixed before fruma drops

since theyll prolly add another major world event too

[wanton verge]

I think there was a conversation about multi accounts and problem like that

[surreal rapids]

fair

imagine 2 major world events so the server is just dying every other day

[gaunt epoch]

sooooo many people have suggested that

but yeah it would absolutely be abused by alt accounts

[surreal rapids]

yea understandable

[wanton verge]

Thank god they can schedule it so it will never happen at the same time if they want XD

[halcyon flower]

$8k over what time period?
But yeah, that's probably negilgable compared to development salaries

and also probably outdated

[surreal rapids]

welp time to go take the networks class at my uni

[halcyon flower]

I'll do some napkin math eventually

[surreal rapids]

get hired at wynn

and fix it myself 👍

[wanton verge]

I am done with that subject, teacher was ass in my class XD

[halcyon flower]

I know enough about the task at hand to know that wynn is doing the best it can.
With only a handful of full time developers, maintaining a stack with this much legacy code and technical debt is an absolute nightmare.

it's not something I envy

[oblique oasis]

yeah server hosting costs a lot of money xD actually its easy for us to say why dont they fix this and that but that costs loads of money xD

[surreal rapids]

yea dev time is expensive

i remember back in the day before spellbound

people said it was impossible to add more ids

[halcyon flower]

Server hosting is a decent amount of money, but there is no way it is the main expense

[surreal rapids]

because of how the code is setup

the amount of legacy spaggethi must be insane

[halcyon flower]

Development is going to be a lot more expensive than the infra alone

[oblique oasis]

yep but infra only costs a lot too XD

[halcyon flower]

true

[wanton verge]

Also... It's in Minecraft, so they have to heavily calculate how that one is developed and how it works

[surreal rapids]

true

at least its java and not bedrock

thats another whole can of awful code

[halcyon flower]

I believe they also use a custom server wrapper implementation (hard fork of something probably), which adds a whole new dimension to the maintenance burden

[wanton verge]

That is true. I tried to work with bedrock, but it was pain...

[dapper token]

anyone know how to change the recommended region?

[wanton verge]

That is calculated as far I know

[surreal rapids]

you can switch your region in the main lobby

but reocmmended i dont think so

[wanton verge]

But you can ignore that

[oblique oasis]

it is pain fr xD

[dapper token]

It always send me to EU

[strange frigate]

Try logging in via one of the following IPs:
lobby.wynncraft.com
as.wynncraft.com
na.wynncraft.com
eu.wynncraft.com

As for asia
Na for north america

[gaunt epoch]

the backend is still on 1.8 too

[leaden swallow]

could also make anni work similarly to a raid where people have to sign up in a group (maybe a larger group than there would be in a raid). and use that idea of the rewards only being claimable every 3 days

[halcyon flower]

that doesn't surprise me

[leaden swallow]

anni would run constantly as well

[wanton verge]

Multi account abuse 👍

[leaden swallow]

can people not already do this with raids

[wanton verge]

🫡 Respect for still working with that

[gaunt epoch]

raids aren't every 3 days and can't give you a reward worth 30 stacks

also it is not allowed

[leaden swallow]

or wait you mean running it every 3 days yea

[surreal rapids]

damn unlucky

1.8 is over 10 years old 💀

man im old

[leaden swallow]

code is balanced like jenga

lmao

[strange frigate]

1.8 came out yesterday it feel

[surreal rapids]

yea

i started in 1.7.2

[shut prairie]

Assassin dead

ty

[surreal rapids]

i dont remember anything after 1.9

[strange frigate]

I started in 1.6.4 was that what it was called

[surreal rapids]

in fact how tf are we at 1.21 suddenly

[wanton verge]

Welcome to the world of programming. Where everything is more than 10 years old and somehow still works

[strange frigate]

Actually

[gaunt epoch]

I don't really have any insider info cause I'm not a dev but i believe the devs have said in a few places the issues wynn has with the backend

[strange frigate]

I might have started in 1.5.2

[surreal rapids]

yessir and then you finally decide to upgrade to a later version as older ones get depreciated and suddenly everything breaks

[buoyant finch]

Delete everything make wynncraft 2

[surreal rapids]

in an ideal world rewritting everything from scratch would fix so many issues

but we will also not get updates

for like 5 years

[wanton verge]

In some way it would be worth it

[covert ice]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-inches-gif-24817486

[wanton verge]

But here where many people want new content, it's really not possible easily

[surreal rapids]

yea

realistically the server would kinda just die

if there wasnt anything new for that long

[buoyant finch]

Is that why you never see anyone from the content team online anymore

[surreal rapids]

xd

like classic old wynncraft with no repeatable end game content or market

was just

finish update -> quit till next one -> repeat

[wanton verge]

They are trapped below bedrock in the content dungeon XD

[gaunt epoch]

Salted's basement

[trail valve]

Code debt in a nutshell

[surreal rapids]

man i applied for scripter in ct and they just arent gonna review it since they dont need people rn

which makes sense tbh since they are prolly in the end of the development cycle for fruma it would be weird to bring new people in at that time

[trail valve]

I think the CT spends too much time nerfing and buffing things instead of revisiting old content like forgery that needs some serious tlc

[wanton verge]

That is also difficult to balance between new update, fixing and backend update, and just general rebalancing

[trail valve]

Very true

[buoyant finch]

I mean both are important it just the changes are mind boggling sometime

[surreal rapids]

mhm

[trail valve]

Is ct really doing backend stuff though?

[gaunt epoch]

i hope you know that those two things are done by seperate people

[trail valve]

I thought the paid devs were

[coral pond]

i love lagging during watch phase in tna

it's so fun

[surreal rapids]

last patch was huge tho

so for sure they havent been just like twiddling their thumbs

[gaunt epoch]

there are seperate teams for these things, server stuff is done by the devs while items and abilities are all done by different branches of the ct

[surreal rapids]

as a former league player this balance team is not the worse

[austere star]

this is still going on

[quiet furnace]

is 2xp start on weekends or

[strange frigate]

No

Its not every weekend to get 2x xp

[quiet furnace]

word

[strange frigate]

Its quite unannounced when they drop dxp weekends

[gilded sun]

Is there an admin on rn

if so could someone please get ingame and tp my chaarcter out, TNTexpert2403, im the ground

[strange frigate]

/kill

[gilded sun]

thanks

[drowsy juniper]

are people griding raids not friendly towards people doing it for the first time?

[celest talon]

Yeah some people aren’t

Especially if multiple are in the party

That pretty much guarantees a fail

[drowsy juniper]

i even told the guys i was doing it for the first time and they immediatly started commenting on my build and that it would take like 40 mins, really not cool

[celest talon]

Were you the last one alive in the boss?

[leaden swallow]

yes

[drowsy juniper]

2 of them died so it was me and another guy towards the end

[leaden swallow]

pfinder is kind of hit or miss

[celest talon]

Likely both of you were using builds that had no chance of killing the boss

And they wanted you to /kill

[drowsy juniper]

the comments were before we even started the boss :(

[leaden swallow]

grootslang makes new players especially annoying bc it uses them as health packs

[celest talon]

Yeah that’s not cool

[trail valve]

Ya I mean it is a little annoying if you’re the last player left alive and you’re doing minimal dps

[fleet marsh]

only to re-introduce new tech debt

the cycle continues

welcome to software engineering 101

[surreal rapids]

Yep

I love my field

[trail valve]

I used to work at amd and the tech debt was a shitshow

[celest talon]

Seems like you guys are trying hard with the infrastructure though

[trail valve]

So much stuff running on the most rickety setups

[surreal rapids]

"Why does it work"
"Why doesn't it work"
"Who write this shitty code, oh wait it's me"

[fleet marsh]

yes but god forbid we accidentally have a server crash issue with the latest update

clearly we need to do better and not let the server crash to begin with ./s

[trail valve]

I remember we had an automation framework and with newer versions it didn’t work on Linux and instead of fixing it they made me write a workaround automation script that would do the same thing

[celest talon]

Yeah it’s gotta be tough when if something bad happens the community goes wild

[trail valve]

Only problem was I was the only person who knew how to operate it

[celest talon]

Especially during an event like annihilating that’s such a big deal to everybody

[trail valve]

Ya problem is it can be functioning fine on prod/test server but you can’t really predict when it’s deployed mass scale

[celest talon]

I will say, from what I’ve seen Wynn servers are REALLY good at not crashing. They may lag, but I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve seen them crash

[fleet marsh]

yes but unfortunately people do not always understand that

[trail valve]

The lag for annhilation is frustrating but apparently it’s not a server issue but client side relating to packets which is a tough situation.

[celest talon]

Minecraft limitations 🔥

[fleet marsh]

you can make so many improvements and spend so much money on improving things but the people that still end up getting affected will be the vocal minority

[trail valve]

Minecraft actually spaghetti code

Servers don’t run properly past 1.12

[fleet marsh]

what works for one person doesn't work for others

[trail valve]

[celest talon]

It’s more so it’s just not designed to do what Wynn is doing

And Wynn has to use a lot of hacky solutions to add cool stuff

[trail valve]

Yes, but at same time these are issues even with vanilla servers

[fleet marsh]

the last time i looked at annihilation to look into the potential lag issues, couldn't reproduce any of them, f3 chart was a solid 10ms without any spikes in EU, it's not always our problem

[celest talon]

Yeah but Wynn’s server is far from vanilla

[trail valve]

It’s impossible to have more then around 200 people on a server at the same time without using sharding and such for example if it’s running past 1.12

[celest talon]

Yeah I assume sometimes the hosting provider is to blame

With outages/network limitations or buffering

[trail valve]

I understand annhilation but lately even on regular days NA has been near unplayable at times

Anyways that’s my complaining done for the day

[celest talon]

Yeah proxies have been under a lot of stress I assume. Maybe they’re spreading thinner with the added regions

[fleet marsh]

if you provide an MTR during said times, happy to look into

[leaden swallow]

i dont have any of the lag issues people are talking about

[fleet marsh]

prime example of how annoying these issues are

[glass scaffold]

Same

[fleet marsh]

what works for some does not work for others

[leaden swallow]

i’m NA and everyone says it’s dying but im fine

[fleet marsh]

vocal minority is the loudest though

[celest talon]

How does the localization of proxies work on a sub region level?

Like is it sub region based?

Or there’s just one pool of NA proxies for the whole region

Because it seems like often times hopping on a VPN solves some of the proxy issues, but I’m not sure if that’s just because of network routing or if I’m actually being sent to a different proxy

[fleet marsh]

plenty of proxies distributed across NA, plenty of proxies distributed across the world, no capacity issues at any point of time even during annihilation

all of our hardware/servers are carefully configured to prevent those issues

[leaden swallow]

some people just have shitty internet as well. no matter what they’ll be having ping spikes

[fleet marsh]

100%

[gaunt epoch]

i lag during pretty much every anni, but then again

[surreal rapids]

?????????

[minor pagoda]

how do you exist

[agile sail]

what the fuck

[surreal rapids]

thats some vile internet speed

[true wave]

How is discord running

[fleet marsh]

yeah it's been said before but wynncraft is gonna be pretty demanding on networking especially compared to your average minecraft server

[gaunt epoch]

i usually get like 5

[lusty whale]

dawg close your window you're letting the internet out

[glass scaffold]

How

[agile sail]

that's not network, that's undulation

[leaden swallow]

bro plays wynn like turn based combat

[agile sail]

go yell at your ISP to fix jank jesus christ

[fleet marsh]

"but it's only wynncraft that lags and not hypixel" one server has x50 the content utilizing all of the modern minecraft features and the other does not

[celest talon]

Yeah but I also tend to lag a lot on my gigabit college ethernet.

[minor pagoda]

just casually downloading any game sigh

[leaden swallow]

hypixel is still running on 1.8 if you run past that it shits itself too

[gaunt epoch]

it's usually around this

[celest talon]

Its more so the armor stand and particle animations

[gaunt epoch]

at least during this time of day, it gets very bad around the end of the day

[leaden swallow]

that would be fps more than ping no?

[celest talon]

The game version doesn’t contribute a lot to connection bloat

[agile sail]

those speeds are not normal in the year of our lord 2025

[celest talon]

Not ping directly, but it requires a ton of network traffic going out to the clients

[gaunt epoch]

german internet 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[celest talon]

Because of the nature of how those animations are created

[minor pagoda]

ah germany, my condolences

[agile sail]

can't be worse than aussie internet
(disclaimer: not aussie)

[celest talon]

Which both causes server stress to send all those packets out, and higher potential packet loss and/or throttling

[spare forum]

You WILL choose a side in the conflict on the other side of the planet and it DOES affect us

[manic bluff]

Pirouette my baby

I will forever miss you piroulette assassin

[gray bramble]

how do i up the % of weapons

[manic bluff]

Re id

There’s also amplifiers

[gray bramble]

ah damn its way more expensive

where do i get those amplifiers

[manic bluff]

Lvl 80 boss raids

Or 4 man dungeons

[gray bramble]

ok ty

[molten moss]

does the Sorcery ID effect Masks from shaman too?

[gaunt epoch]

it should

[molten moss]

why thats so annoying

i dont want a 30% chance to switch to a different mask after switching to the right one to begin with

[gaunt epoch]

yeah it's just uproot, i don't sorcery could change just by selecting a specific ability

[molten moss]

what is this fabled leggings again that i could get somewhere in the Silent Expanse?

[gaunt epoch]

there's quite a few fabled leggings

which ones are you referring to

[molten moss]

where you can buy helmet, chestplate, leggings and boots but equiping more gives a very bad stat pentalty

[gaunt epoch]

oh ornate shadow?

[molten moss]

ah yeah thanks

where can i get them?

[gaunt epoch]

in lutho

[molten moss]

thank you very much

[clever girder]

yo assasian or warrior?

[leaden swallow]

warrior

[clever girder]

alr

[boreal vault]

wynntils moment

(mt wynn)

[plush canopy]

anyone want to help me with tower of ascension

[lusty whale]

@knotty hornet ?

[viscid island]

anybody mind helping killing corrupter of worlds? (temple of legends)

[thick scarab]

can someonme spoil me with good late game warrior set?

[fickle tartan]

which version should i use for wynncraft and are there any mods?

[gaunt epoch]

1.21.X any for mods just use performance mods or whatever you need

[fickle tartan]

ok is badlion client a viable option?

or feather client?

[gaunt epoch]

wouldn't recommend

their built in mods don't pair well with wynn quite commonly

[clever goblet]

Wynntils is awesome, I also pair it with performance mods

[civic finch]

fix the servers lag plsssssss

[plush canopy]

whats a good build for lvl 50 assassin

[dapper sage]

tps having a stroke and a half bro wtf

i need to prefire my spells 10 seconds in advance

+2 yahts for salted ig

fuck me

[fast rose]

whats best lr camp rn?

[celest talon]

Molten I think

It has warp

[thin wren]

any raid actually

[hexed kiln]

anyone know how to consistently get the 1.3x xp boost in a party?

[trail valve]

I believe you need a Shaman

[trail valve]

You probably want to just level to 105 before investing in a build I would wear morph set or champions.

[thin wren]

thats from being in a party with someone you recruited (or that they recruited you)

otherwise you will not get that bonus

[hexed kiln]

i'm partied with the person who recruited me, is it just not a "on every kill" xp boost?

[thin wren]

it should be everything except quests

[minor pagoda]

yep

pretty sure atleast

[urban dagger]

[slow quartz]

can someone buy me vip pls uwu i i got 2 enderchests filled with for-sale items
PLS

[thin wren]

You know you can buy more pages right

[slow quartz]

HOWWWWWWWWWWWW

TEACH ME

[thin wren]

Step 1

Go to your bank

Step 2

Use your eyes to see that the UI has more buttons than just next page

Step 3

Swap to account bank

[slow quartz]

oh i mean i want auction slots

bcs i want money

[thin wren]

Step 4

Buy pages

Oh only tm slots

Yea thats rank exclusive... Surely you can buy that tho..

[thin wren]

didnt you get banned...

[austere star]

oh hey its you

[thin wren]

wtfrick

[urban oasis]

can you trade in this game?

[leaden swallow]

yes there’s player-to-player trading and a global trade market

[patent mauve]

whats a standard gxp set

[celest talon]

Gathering xp crafted gear

Pit player spotted btw

[patent mauve]

pit pit pit

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[patent mauve]

no way!

im lf the recipe

[celest talon]

I don’t have them on me, but Keldorn sells them for cheap on trade market

So I would look there first

[patent mauve]

can you search by player on tm?

[celest talon]

I don’t think so, but you can search for items with gathering xp identifications which can only be crafted

And it will say the player who crafted them

[urban oasis]

anyone doing timelost sanctum

[clear folio]

k

[thin wren]

no

You will forever bow down to us higher prestiges.

[patent mauve]

lallala

[thin wren]

Only if they named it something

[patent mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-head-turn-thing-idk-gif-16553853065807910158

[thin wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1303504621850988574/attachment.gif

[tight scaffold]

extremely budget gxp armor is like t1 dernic mats, x6 worm sign

[thin wren]

He needs that

[celest talon]

Yeah, keld names all his stuff

He even puts like disclaimers of the original price as the lore to prevent reselling

[chrome oyster]

yo anyone know where Eppo is to start the frostbite quest, I must be doing something wrong because he is missing for me

[patent mauve]

just spent a stx on gxp armor D:

[thin wren]

Ye thats true

[thin wren]

Dw you make it back

I didnt even do much profs this dxp weekend but i made 20stx~ profit

[knotty hornet]

nah you can /sign it

[thin wren]

What.......

Ok i didnt know that

Coolio

[knotty hornet]

its just naming it auto signs it lol

[thin wren]

Thought it was the only way

[polar jetty]

Hey, IS there Guild for new players ?

[neat pewter]

Never forget and never forgive

[hybrid nimbus]

anyone wanna team up im lvl 18 archer

[viscid fjord]

Acrobat rework actually seens so fun.

[lost spindle]

anyone know how to fix these beacons?

[viscid fjord]

But uh. I say this as someone who hasnt played endgame

Knowing what i do know about endgame though

It seems like stomp is just gonna kill you for using it

[stuck rapids]

Not at all, the real issue is that the damage is somehow lower, and Acrobat already had bad endgame damage

[viscid fjord]

Oh. I also hear stacking the momentum for the slam feels kinda bad, takes too long

I love the new skill placement though! Getting the flight acrobat is known for much earlier instead of

Level 48

(what a meme)

Ive been playing telos for

115 hours apparently, so. I'll start a new slot to test how it feels

[neat pewter]

Murderous beggars

[acoustic iron]

If you’re talking about wynntils, have you updated it to the latest version?

[stuck rapids]

I think it's a good charge time even on a single enemy, but it needs to do more damage to make up for how much time you spend building up to it

[rugged saddle]

hey guys

who remembers the release of rekindled world

the general chat during that time

it was certainly an experience

[echo rapids]

what is the pwrcentage chance of getting a black horse by combining?

[visual turtle]

Take or rr

I have 2 rerolls

(214 pulls each)

[frank palm]

reroll

[visual turtle]

Like the lr chest?

Aight

[upbeat bison]

Convergence has been ruined for me forever ever since...

[rotund venture]

yeah no i cant look at it the same way again

that weapon should just be left to rot

[rotund venture]

yeah rr

[obtuse wraith]

Hi

[upbeat bison]

Your name encapsulates this server perfectly

Except me of course

[wispy acorn]

some of yall are toxic as hell

[wintry bison]

[obtuse wraith]

Meow

[ionic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/gang-shit-cat-fist-bump-gif-1116355200121716008

[cosmic ore]

@spiral mica just wanted to let you know tex finally got bonder after using a max lb build

[spiral mica]

ooooh, good for them

[buoyant finch]

are you an lb expert

do you guys feel like fort is working

[austere star]

its bugged rn unless u have the aspect iirc

[buoyant finch]

idk my friend with the max aspect still said it not working

[warm dew]

ever since what

[spiral mica]

nope

[oak patio]

ngl i wanna make a new profile

but frfr im only level 48 on my first one it seems like a waste

[buoyant finch]

take like 2 hours to go from 1 to 48 lol

[spiral mica]

nothing stopping you

[oak patio]

yeah i honestly dont feel like doing all the quests again over though--

[spiral mica]

pls don't tell new players to mob grind, they will burn out faster

[buoyant finch]

like quests dont burn you out too

[spiral mica]

oh nvm, if you want to skip the quest

[buoyant finch]

can always grind to the level they were at and then do the quest from then

[spiral mica]

yeah tbh, on the 9th class, doing any quests is painful

[buoyant finch]

it only fun like the first round xc

well maybe again if they change it a lot

[oak patio]

yeah but still the quests

its boring to redo them

assasin kinda boring..

yk what might aswell do it just bc

[buoyant finch]

it depend on what you like, i find questing tedious so i speed level to max and grind raid

[oak patio]

ive never beaten the game really

so i dont wanna speed level it

but i dont wanna take forever grinding quests

[strange frigate]

Speed level to 48 again then continue questing

[oak patio]

what about all the other ones

yk what nevermind

just come back to them later

assasin is fun but il come back to it another day ig

i wanna do craftsman-

yeah no im speedleveling

whats the command to skip the tutorial i forgot it

[buoyant finch]

./skiptutorial

but... i think it bug atm

[oak patio]

yeah i think so too

i swear there was one

[strange frigate]

Its that command

[oak patio]

yep

[strange frigate]

But its bugged

[oak patio]

welp time to do 15 minutes

[lusty escarp]

hi

[oak patio]

it looks alot better honestly

yep they definetly changed the tutorial alot

that bridge was NOT there from my memorys

they changed alot dang

rekindled world made it alot better ig lol

does archer have a different spell imput?

or is it just me

[naive snow]

nope, you don't want to

[rain burrow]

archer spell input is reverse compared to every other class

[oak patio]

yeah makes sense ig

[rain burrow]

every other class spell start with r but archer is L

[naive snow]

true archer is L

[oak patio]

where do i start speed grind?

im in nivila forest rn

[naive snow]

zombie tree

until lvl 14 (or when you have your basic spells unlocked)

then black road until 25, then saints row until 40

then llevigar spider cave until 55, then herb until 60 - 65, then waterfall (if you have a party) or flesh cave if you're going solo until 80

then scrapyard all the way up to 105

easy

[rain burrow]

mt wynn is not bad if you dont want to bother questing to get saints row

[naive snow]

mt wynn has been so nerfed that i prefer to do one quest for a better grind spot ngl

like, literally one quest for a better grind spot

[oak patio]

i cant find zombie tree. minecraft wont let me see coords

[naive snow]

use wynntils

[rain burrow]

its to the south west corner of nivia forest

[oak patio]

wht do i need to download it

[naive snow]

look on modrinth

just, don't use the lunar client version

lunar sucks

[oak patio]

aight leme hit modrinth up

[fathom sequoia]

Guys what is this

[oak patio]

nah wynncraft doesn use curseforge?

[naive snow]

yea

[cobalt torrent]

ok

"Paper Paper"

[naive snow]

Paper Paper of Paper

[cobalt torrent]

Exactly

[naive snow]

Effect:

• Paper: Paper
• Paper: Paper Seconds

[cobalt torrent]

lmao

[naive snow]

✅ Paper Lv. Min: Paper

Crafted Paper

[cobalt torrent]

Ok now that's confusing

[oak patio]

ok i got optifine..

i mean fabric

idk how i messed that up

whats a perfect refined bow-

[patent ravine]

Black road is just better (I stay until 35)

[rain burrow]

prob dont gotta deal with the annoying pull 🙏

[rain burrow]

perfect means it roll max on the stat for the item

[oak patio]

are you kidding me- i got one on a level 1 req item

[astral cove]

Low level perfects are pretty common because they have really small roll ranges tbh

[pulsar harness]

i just came home from school and they gave my report card for my class test i got 9/15 on my english and my home language

=[

[neat pewter]

rip

Some people are evil, some people are weirdos

[patent mauve]

how long does it take to reach lvl 110 in any gathering? (with gxp set)

[patent ravine]

Nowhere near SB

Just a few hours

Like

6?

At lvl 100-110 it's like 200 nodes per level

I think

Anyways I

Did just get 100/10/100/100 profs in like

Less than a day of proffing

(With bombs ofc)

[patent mauve]

im lvl 60 in mining in sb

for reference

[patent ravine]

Yeah no it takes nowhere as long as SB skills

For 110 at least

[patent mauve]

okie

[patent ravine]

Lots of SB refugees here

Recognised you by name

[patent mauve]

thats crazy

[patent ravine]

I sure as hell don't want to spend another 200 hours of my life mining mithril to level one pet

!!!

[tawny umbra]

Is SB leveling straight up Runescape with time consumed

That's at least how people make it sound

[patent mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/coal-hub-cu-rabi-hub-coal-rosegold-addons-gif-25126256

[patent mauve]

thats why you go mine gemstone and buy a lvl 100 instead

[patent ravine]

I played Ir*nman

And was ping taxed

[patent mauve]

gg

[patent ravine]

With a hypermaxed setup excluding alloy

I was making 17m per hour

Mithril was like

13?

[patent mauve]

lowkey might play sb again…

[trail valve]

Uh ya it’s more then that lol

[patent ravine]

I mean

Foraging 50 would take you what

Nearly 100 hours

Under normal circumstances

💀

[trail valve]

Gathering profs aren’t too bad though just take it at your own pace

[patent mauve]

I remember powder mining for so long…

[trail valve]

The problem is everyone tries to max them all out at once

[patent ravine]

Yeah a few hundred :/

Hours

...

[patent mauve]

yep…

I watched like 100 podcast episodes

[patent ravine]

And then I can just pop over and get 110 across the board in

idfk

[trail valve]

I enjoy grinds but sky block just seems mindless

[patent ravine]

under 24h

[patent ravine]

There's no redeeming factor about that game

Grinds are shit

Community is shit

Game is shit

Staff team is shit

[patent mauve]

skyblock makes skills grinding more fun than wynn but its so much longer

[oak patio]

is there any passive that makes arrows not affected by gravity

[patent ravine]

Monetisation shit

[patent ravine]

Homing shots for main attack

[patent mauve]

the tracking thingp

[patent ravine]

And a sharp node for arrow bomb that makes it fly straight

Otherwise no

[oak patio]

aw man

[severe river]

get triple shots and homing shots it's good trust

[oak patio]

its kinda annoying having to aim a little bit up

[patent mauve]

just stand in them 👍

max dpsp

[fading rampart]

t

[trail valve]

I’ve gotten through so many tv shows while proffing

[patent ravine]

I watched the entirety of One Piece and ran out of things to watch when leveling in HSB 💀

[trail valve]

I’ve tried with one piece a few times I can’t seem to get into it

[patent ravine]

Reading is much nicer than watching ngl

The pacing in the

Second half is...

Not the best

💀

Awful

💀

[trail valve]

I’m not a big anime guy but you should check out solo levelling

[pulsar harness]

i say one piece is the greatest creation since electricity and the wheel

[trail valve]

Best anime I’ve seen other then attack on titan (I haven’t seen many)

Kaiju no.8 is also good

[patent ravine]

Korean writing 🔥

idk i just mostly show up to watch some wholesome yuri now and then nowadays

[trail valve]

Very true

Anyways I’ve never seen a point behind hsb grinds they’re not even for anything specific but moreso just to get your level in stuff increased and maybe marginal dps increases

Crafteds add a lot to the game in Wynn

[patent ravine]

Number go up

The most riveting HSB gameplay is literally Epoch tierstack

💀

Well

Weapons

Dungeons and Kuudra are

Pretty fun

But just

The game as a whole is way too excessively grindy

And has really bad issues

It's not respectful of your time at all

And the monetisation is awful

Imagine just

Needing silverbull shares to play the game in any capacity at all

And they last 4 days

And are like idfk 10stx

[brittle palm]

I think that sums up hsb pretty well lol

Stopped playing it awhile back