🍺general

[frail drum]

you know what

i'm just not gonna watch youtube now

[stone cloak]

Hey, don't use language like that here

[frail drum]

remove your existence youtube

is that better?

[austere star]

uhm

[frail drum]

are you happy pal?

[austere star]

lf adblocker

[stone cloak]

I suppose yes

[cyan nymph]

no crap sherlock, ive definetly tried a number of times already and when i ask for help i get jack all

tell me something i havent been told 100 times

[lucid hazel]

do you want someone to read your mind

[frail drum]

anyone found a way around youtubes anti-adblock

[cyan nymph]

they already know the issue exists

[frail drum]

i feel like sending a fucking pipe bomb to the youtube hq

[cyan nymph]

do it

[lucid hazel]

there's prob some adblockers that arent patched yet

not sure

[lucid hazel]

its like 30 seconds max for an ad its not that bad bro 😭

[cyan nymph]

i just use opera gx lmao

[frail drum]

this is what i'm using

i am using the integrated adblocker

[austere star]

that wont work

[cyan nymph]

oh, then idk ive never had that issue

[austere star]

youtube can detect it

most of the time

try ublock origin chrome extension

opera gx is chromium it should support it

[frail drum]

you're like fuckin "leave the multibillion dollar company alone" man

[frail drum]

detected

[austere star]

purge the cache

right click extension > options > update now

[cyan nymph]

detect deez nutz

[frail drum]

how far back should i delete

[austere star]

.

[frail drum]

it's fully updated

[zinc frost]

9 dollar shipping is crazy

[sterile shadow]

Hello 👋

[pallid gust]

Tbf this is the first time I even saw that Wynn partners up to make plushies lol I haven’t played Wynn in years and I only recently got into it again and this is the first time I joined the Discord

I’m absolutely getting this tho, it’s so cute ;;

[slow shell]

ur adblocker just sucks at getting around youtube's anti adblock

[frail drum]

switched to firefox now

works perfectly

fuck chrome

[slow shell]

that works too

[carmine ocean]

@radiant sequoia Hello, please read my dm's

[near rose]

yeah chrome sucks

[thick ibex]

chrome being the good child and folloing orders

while firefox just ignores them :D

[near rose]

well in this day and age we need rebels

[mystic galleon]

is there an official place/server/website for price checks

or is it just #💰trade_market

[thick ibex]

yes

its just #💰trade_market

[rich flax]

bro's leaking DMs

[undone python]

Let's goooo 3rd orphion pet is real

[hazy drift]

excuse me

can we do a collab with jjk

[cyan nymph]

3rd?

[undone python]

Yeah I own 2 rn

The plushy equals 3

[cyan nymph]

how i only have 1

[undone python]

Both bundles gave 1 heh

[cyan nymph]

[rich flax]

money

[wild fern]

Nice phone number of your friend lmao

[tawny pagoda]

how does one come up with a crew to play wynncraft

[lone moth]

wahts the best class for craftsmen

[tough nacelle]

ummm why is it everytime i do the bottomless pit boss i get crashed out of my mincraft? does anyone else have this problem as well?

[velvet marten]

Do u play on a Mac?

[tough nacelle]

nope

[velvet marten]

Oh then I have no idea

Search up if other people have this issue maybe there is alr a fix

[tough nacelle]

ok

[distant granite]

see, usually crashes are resolved by the game telling you what went wrong, known as a "crash report"

[verbal sun]

That only devs can understand

[upbeat cedar]

its not hard to read even if you dont know the first thing about devving, it usually even directly says the name of the mod that causes the crash

you really just need to understand how to read and use deductive reasoning, there are even mods that make it even more clear what the crash is caused by too (or try to)

[west fiber]

hi chat should i be scared

[austere star]

bro didnt even look at the report

interpreting texts is kind of a middle school skill

[upbeat cedar]

people see big error and no "crashed because of (reason)" and they just refuse to actually give it any earnest effort

[kind holly]

ate a chili dog absolutely dogshit

this is why I do not eat American food

[odd oak]

does anyone else get spammed with "buster disconected" when using the Fuygg mod for wynncraft

[cyan nymph]

then you got a horrible chili dog

[tender salmon]

Did the server die again?

[serene belfry]

o.o

[kind holly]

shut up
holds good food at you like a crucifix to a vampire

[cyan nymph]

yea the one on the right looks hella good

left looks ok, not my cup of tea

im just used to smothering everything in gravy, if it has any gravy at all lmao

i also used to work in a small diner so my taste in food is probably dumb af

what are both of those dishes

[grand rivet]

dog

[upbeat bison]

Cats and dogs and Orphion

[cyan nymph]

LMAO

[alpine dirge]

hey guys, how to see item show from other guys

[cyan nymph]

try hovering with your mouse cursor

[alpine dirge]

cant

f

[cyan nymph]

[lusty whale]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-cat-silly-funny-goofy-gif-6311279246441804246

[noble scarab]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/889814163701006337/996137827576320091/FurrySaying.gif

[grand rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401

[distant granite]

"a fking foxxo" ?

[devout wren]

is everyone getting the Error Protocol kick on wynn?

bro i cant play for 2 mins without getting kicked

[tender salmon]

Wynn is on crack

[cold nest]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-cat-wet-blow-dry-gif-7939752469942194028

[stone jetty]

Get outta here

[devout wren]

Protocol network issue

fix it

[main ice]

what are u doing here

bro

😭

[stone jetty]

[obtuse grove]

Good evening everycrafter

[willow nymph]

What is happening

[stone jetty]

Im gon do something freaky to you

[main ice]

your gonna wish p diddy got to you after im finished

[cold nest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1158507857646469210/A8D25DB9-6341-41D9-9D98-AF8336549E21.gif

[stone jetty]

Little did you know

I am p diddy

[main ice]

its an honor

[cold nest]

from the jail cell 😭

[main ice]

hes rich he got the gaurds to give him a setup

[cold nest]

hows the jail's wifi

[main ice]

nuts

[devout wren]

Network error still in wynn?

[noble scarab]

Has it ever left?

[devout wren]

I legit dont know if its a global issue or just some players have it

have you found a solution?

[noble scarab]

It’s global

[noble scarab]

Just logging back in

[devout wren]

Then why do i see players at the scrapyard that arent affected?

[noble scarab]

not everyone is affected, but anyone can be affected

that’s what I meant with global

[devout wren]

ill switch to a different version and lyk

[noble scarab]

go ahead

[devout wren]

Same error

[graceful cargo]

Met ManePear

[simple rapids]

meow

[wispy acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlift-happy-deadlift-deadlift-day-make-progress-enjoy-gif-1193896946226325492

[long monolith]

can someone help w this T_T

[devout wren]

Go to ragni and go full MrBeast

[merry heron]

anyone wanna play together im fairly new and im trying to level up im currently lv 35

[hybrid pilot]

cat erpillar

[hybrid pilot]

wawzers

[devout wren]

Is the Network issue still on?

[hybrid pilot]

i beat clownpierce in a wynn duel once so im basically the deadliest minecraft player

[warm ice]

I download one extra mod and all the sudden my pc craps the bed lol

Task host Window is shutting down backround apps my butt >:(

Got it fixed though, sfc scannow did the trick

Was preventing me shutting my pc down

[bright dew]

who is an acolyte shaman

[high geyser]

Yeah, I just give out LE

[glad epoch]

i like how i was given false info even after gpt fact cheched

[fair nymph]

yes ragni zombies drop ancient coins fr fr

[fair nymph]

on wc1 ofc ofc

[waxen sparrow]

Was watching a looni video and saw this, do any of yall know what this server is?

[glad epoch]

even if they did thats not ragni coords

[fair nymph]

ye

[glad epoch]

so my statement atill stands

[fair nymph]

i was just going along with gpt as a joke let me be funny 😭

[knotty hornet]

trusting chatgpt for that is actually wild

[glad epoch]

some times its correct its just everything for the server is 6 years old

[devout wren]

The server network isnt fixed yet

please help

i keep getting kicked for Network error every 2 mins

[glad epoch]

then just use the mmo server

[devout wren]

what?

[knotty hornet]

try using a vpn

[devout wren]

Just did, same issue

theres a few other people having the same issue

[oak patio]

that quest took so long

i didnt even get a level from it either

[wind perch]

Monumenta, If you give it a try, make sure not to quit before the white wool dungeon, it will get easier after that one

[hybrid pilot]

6 years?

[wind perch]

also someone help me, i'm stuck in the ground in maltic

[hybrid pilot]

/class /kill

rejoin

worst case /kill

[wind perch]

I don't wanna die

and /class won't fix it

[hybrid pilot]

have you done the other two

have you done /class and spammed jump

do you have anything that /kill will lose

[wind perch]

Idk

i have some rune's I don't wanna lose those

[hybrid pilot]

they dont get lost i dont think

[wind perch]

ok ty, I didn't lose anything

[kind holly]

what the fuck

i got 2 mythic tomes from one reward chest

[sudden merlin]

What’s the chance of that?

[tame ivy]

Is the lag coming from the server or is it client side

[sudden merlin]

It depends on what kind of lag you’re experiencing

[spice gulch]

It’s from the weight of your body expanding spacetime along your Ethernet cable

[tame ivy]

Alriight

[tame ivy]

My ping is displayed as all green but it's really laggy for some reason

[kind holly]

no clue

dragon & pegasus tome from TCC

[sudden merlin]

Good ping doesn’t mean good internet

You could have perfect ping but if your internet is running at 0.5 mbps you’ll still struggle

[tame ivy]

How do I test

[sudden merlin]

Are your frames dropping?

[steel burrow]

update it

[tame ivy]

Game crashed

Rip

[devout wren]

BRUH THE GAME IS STILL KICKING ME

the server

[glad epoch]

since like 2019

or early

[wind perch]

I got the ragni ball all the way to ahmsord only to have it despawn because I couldn't figure out how to get to the top of that stupid city

[cyan nymph]

ahmsord is a struggle fr fr

[west obsidian]

already funded... and I havent even ordered mine yet.

[proper cargo]

why does 5th beacon not appear in my lootruns

[sudden merlin]

Turn off wynntils custom beacons

[proper cargo]

how do i do that

oh nvm thanks

[proper cargo]

it doesnt work tho

[sudden merlin]

There should be a setting that disables vanilla beacons

Turn that off

[proper cargo]

oh nvm works now ty

[tawdry yew]

...

So having good internet doesnt mean good internet

Make sense to me

[last jolt]

Ping is your latency it has absolutely nothing to do with the speed or stability of the connection itself.

It just means you have a good connection to the host, not that the transfer rate over that connection is stable or fast

[tawdry yew]

Ok

Wait

Wym

I just searched on google

And google is contradicting you

Ping = speed of the connection

[granite kraken]

Speed of the connection to the host

[last jolt]

Ping is the time it takes for the user to connect to the host not the speed of file transfer between the server and the host

[tawdry yew]

It is the speed of file transfer

[last jolt]

It literally is not

[tawdry yew]

From what i saw on Google
Ping = speed of file transfer
Mbps = speed to download the files

[tawdry yew]

It fucking is

[last jolt]

Ms is milliseconda

[tawdry yew]

Mbps*

[last jolt]

Mbps is not a measure of ping

Ms is

Ping is measured in milliseconds

[sterile shadow]

Hellew

[tawdry yew]

Thats why i said mbps

M FUCKING B P S

[last jolt]

Ping is not measured is mbps

[tawdry yew]

I know

THATS WHY I SEPARATED THEM WITH 2 FUCKING DEFINITION

Can you not fucking read

[last jolt]

You are still arguing that Ping is the transfer speed when it blatantly isnt

It's the latency between host and the user

[tawdry yew]

Alright time to pull out the screenshot

[last jolt]

Please do

[tawdry yew]

Its indeed the latency

[cedar basin]

mbps is megabytes per sec ms is millisec

[tawdry yew]

AND THAT IS HOW FAST A FILE TRANSFER

[last jolt]

No

It isn't

[tawdry yew]

Now youre just denying straight claim with proofs

[last jolt]

You used a heavily cropped screenshot that supports Mt side

My*

Love autocorrect

[cedar basin]

MOONTOWER MENTIONED RAAAHH

[tawdry yew]

These 2 screenshots are saying ping = speed

[last jolt]

Speed of an electrical current =/= transfer speed of the internet service

[tawdry yew]

Youre only right about the part where you say ping is latency

Thats all

[last jolt]

That's the entire argument

[tawdry yew]

No

[last jolt]

Ping is not the speed of the internet as your internet speed is measured in maps.

Ping is the latency and is measured in ms

[tawdry yew]

The argument is about wether ping is the speed of a file going from a point to another OR if its the speed of a file to be downloaded

[last jolt]

Your own evidence contradicts you and supports my claim

[tawdry yew]

no it doesnt

It only support your claims on ping = latency

[last jolt]

Ping is not the speed of a file going from one point to a other as many gigabytes or terabytes of files cannot be transfered in a few milliseconds.

Think for a second and you might realize your mistake

[tawdry yew]

Yet another screenshot that prove my fucking argument on ping = speed

[tawdry yew]

IT LITERALLY IS

[last jolt]

You are mistakenly connecting two separate aspects of a connection and treating them as one and the same

[tawdry yew]

EVERY SCREENSHOTS I SENT SHOWS THAT IT IS

[last jolt]

Do you know what a data packet is

[tawdry yew]

This gotta be ragebait

[last jolt]

<@&268142859327242242>

[tawdry yew]

Im not gonna waste my time anymore

[cedar basin]

uhhhh this ss connects latency to ping which is not speed

[tawdry yew]

Latency is the fucking speed

[last jolt]

Message was deleted I was told to kill myself

[tawdry yew]

They deleted it

[last jolt]

Please do something about this

They need to mute tou

[tawdry yew]

I didnt delete it

No they dont

[last jolt]

They genuinely do

[tawdry yew]

All youre doing is disprove my claims without significant material

[teal yew]

goodbye bungus

[last jolt]

Thank you @teal yew

Much love

[teal yew]

wasn't me

[last jolt]

Whoever it was

to you

[gaunt epoch]

What a pleasant and mature individual

[last jolt]

Their attempt to prove US wrong(as multiple people disagreed with them) proved us right

And they were so nasty about it

[cedar basin]

alright now that theoldplayer is gone someone needs to be devils advocate

so i will now prove to you why latency is speed

uhhhh

where do i start

[teal yew]

it's so insane there was a guy doing the exact same thing like 4 days ago and then this guy shows up right after

[last jolt]

It's a measure of speed, just not internet transfer speed

[cedar basin]

this screenshot clearly shows us that latency is speed

[last jolt]

As the screenshot he provided shows its the time it takes for a single packet(which is usually only a couple dozen bytes of data) to travel between the server and the host

This establishes the latency to the host

But you need many packets of data to actually do anything

One packet is generally worthless on its own

[cedar basin]

also r they not giving you media back?

[last jolt]

I have media

[cedar basin]

on dc

[last jolt]

Just discord broke again and I'm too lazy to fix

Happened to me once already

[cedar basin]

womp

[last jolt]

I was told how to fix it quickly but I'm too lazy to go back and check what that was

I'll do it eventually

If ping was the speed of your internet then it wouldn't be horrendous when I connect to Australians vs connecting locally

My speed stays the same. But the latency changes

[thick ibex]

make your own
or wait

until they start shipping

[onyx oasis]

All ppl that buy orphion plushie is a furry

(real)

[last jolt]

I'm gonna do a giveaway for one soon since it's super cute and my dungeon master is about to do nexus of light so it seems fitting

[last jolt]

I bought 3 what does that make me

[cedar basin]

dangerously cheesy

[thick ibex]

3 pets

[last jolt]

Lol

[last jolt]

3 irl and 3 in game 🙂

[thick ibex]

join what?

#🔥announcements message

[last jolt]

It hasn't started yet. I'll make a video and a forum post about it when it happens

Wish I had done it for the orange wybel plush but it only crossed my mind after the fact

It really is

[tight sphinx]

I do not know why, but I made a mashup of the new and old versions of Face of Extinction...

[austere lake]

I guess wynncraft is now breaking patents by nintendo

[regal idol]

honestly given Nintendo's history this isn't even that surprising

[vapid quartz]

will most likely get declined because its a general thing. hopefully they dont bribe the people reviewing the patent.

its like patenting the color red

[tight scaffold]

Huh wtf
They tried patenting "open-world"
Then patenting "capture devices"
Now that?

Is nintendo trying to monopolize (if not already)

[austere lake]

They also patented breeding so

Guess ark is breaking that point too

Or what is this about

[tight scaffold]

damn, stardew valley breaking that too ig

[thick ibex]

not to mention any game that has breeding implemented

[empty lake]

breeding horses on wynn

[tight scaffold]

Forget that
Minecraft itself having breeding

[empty lake]

[dull hearth]

Nintendo needs to be destroyed

Steam deck plays the games better

[solar parcel]

If you are not playing games on pc or console you are not playing games at all

[sullen sun]

This man speaking facts

[fallen flame]

if you are not playing games you are not playing games at all

[dusty gyro]

But mobile games are games so you are playing games at all

[solar parcel]

Nope

[dusty gyro]

Liar

unCT him

[wanton pollen]

How tf do these even pass

Or still ongoing

[manic bluff]

I have to play my ds emulator on phone because I get better reaction Time on some new super Mario bros ds

[hallow stone]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-gif-5750196720983083288

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

[shy tartan]

selam türk varmı bende başlayacağımda

[solar parcel]

Var

[solar parcel]

.

[shy tartan]

hocam oyunda savaşlar dönüyormu

normaldeben mmo oyuncusuyumda bu biraz karışık geldi 🙂

[mental onyx]

huh? rains in wynncraft?

[solar parcel]

Wait until the hurricane update

[orchid charm]

🐴

[chilly crown]

🐴

[alpine sequoia]

i dropped my weapon while fighting and died can i get the weapon back

or should i just forget about it

[chilly crown]

forget about it

[alpine sequoia]

damn it

i thought i had /lock on it already

[tiny cloud]

How do I play here, I'm new

[thick ibex]

join
play.wynncraft.com with java edition

[unkempt vigil]

unbind drop key

wynncraft doesnt really need you to use q to drop

[thick ibex]

unless a quest needs you to drop certain items but you can just drag those

or rebind your drop key

[tiny cloud]

tks, what is the version?

[thick ibex]

1.20.2 or later

[tiny cloud]

tks

[strange frigate]

Corruption portal gets flown to a faraway land

[winter nymph]

Hey, how can I open my crate?

[thick ibex]

/crate

[winter nymph]

tysm

[mild pelican]

this is one week of bottles and cans from my school (backpack included)

[lusty whale]

Alcoholic

[mild pelican]

cheers i drink to that lol

[lusty whale]

Amen

[tepid ice]

aussie?

[mild pelican]

nah, much more upnorth

[tepid ice]

fair enough

[wraith verge]

huh

[thin wren]

Skibidi government country, you mean?

[tepid ice]

Lol

[thin wren]

Same

[gaunt epoch]

wynncraft skyblock gamemode coming soon

[plush rune]

wynntale

[honest hollow]

god forbid

[warm ice]

Game just started massively stuttering for me, had to force exit the game lol

[tardy gorge]

Btw guys

I am wondering

what to do after u completed everything?

like max level

[warm ice]

Retire /j

[tardy gorge]

oh 😄

[warm ice]

No but I really dunno, havent made it there yet!

[gaunt epoch]

raids of lootrun i guess

[tardy gorge]

are they fun 😄

[gaunt epoch]

do all quests, secret discoveries, boss altars

[strange frigate]

If you complete everything then u can do other stuff like new class, experiment with builds and stuff. Its like any other MMORPG

[lusty whale]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-the-rot-goofy-goober-silly-schizophrenia-gif-12414327510351470727

[frank frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/mariojudah-gif-22652778

[hallow stone]

wynntale

fuk sm1 alrdy make that joke 😭

[mild shuttle]

lootrun for big moneys, get aspects/tomes from raids, make money with profs, get godly build for raids/lootrun, do challenge modes (Hardcore, Ironman/Ultimate Ironman, Craftsman, Hunted), tons of stuff

join a guild, do wars

max quest book

[hallow stone]

all altars perhaps

[proven flower]

fr

[mild shuttle]

?

[hallow stone]

https://tenor.com/view/rei-chiquita-gif-22832541

[mild shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[vagrant notch]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-scary-jumpscare-meme-funny-gif-25838955

[mild pelican]

Were eating plank

[jaunty marsh]

man crafting my own weapons armour and trinkets sounds cool af but its a shame crafting is kinda fucky

i've heard that its not even worth looking at until endgame

that everything you identify through most of the game'll just be better for way less effort

come to think of it, the names of the weapons are approximately randomly generated right? its a shame u can't name your own crafted weapons

[abstract bluff]

the thing abt crafted gear is that it's only marginally better than normal gear

so in the time you spend lvling a prof while progressing, you'd have been better off just leveling up for normal gear

[austere star]

does he know?

HE DOESN'T KNOW

fair enough this only applies to endgame

touching crafteds before endgame is a sin

unless ur doing hich

[jaunty marsh]

hich?

[austere star]

hardcore ironman crafted hunter

[austere star]

also, you can rename and relore them

but it requires a rank + you to be the crafter

[lone moth]

wtf is going on at ragni gate

[jaunty marsh]

awwww rank requirement booooo

[austere star]

its fine

[jaunty marsh]

i can't call all my weapons david ):

[austere star]

you can ask whoever crafted them to rename them for you

or relore

[jaunty marsh]

ye but what if im the one who makes them ):

[austere star]

well tough luck then

but hey

[jaunty marsh]

tis a tragic thing

[austere star]

are you really gonna get lvl 103 in all profs

[thorn wren]

when does annihalation spawn?

[jaunty marsh]

eh i mean if i run out of stuff to do

Oh yea what even IS annihilation i've been outta the loop only started playing again a few days ago

[abstract bluff]

marginally better until you're maxed and are able to use all the best ingredients...

[jaunty marsh]

eh i mean at least the rank stuff isn't as annoying as the olden days xD

i hated assassin being locked off unless you paid xD

[wispy acorn]

whos joey

[abstract bluff]

oh it's a world event that happens every few days with very good rewards

[thorn wren]

do you know when it happens next?

[austere star]

fair warning u wanna be online at least 1h before the event to get a party

[jaunty marsh]

ooooh? what level can i do it at? and where does it start?

[austere star]

otherwise you wont get into any world unless you got champion rank

[rich flax]

30, roots of corruption

[austere star]

starting at lvl 30, would recommend using a 105 class, no1 knows yet

[jaunty marsh]

oh is it the kind of thing i'd def need a proper party for? or is me and my 1 mate good enough

[austere star]

oh where

[jaunty marsh]

wtf

[austere star]

where is always roots of corruption

when

we dont know

[rich flax]

It's near Detlas

[jaunty marsh]

it opens at level 30, but you reccomend 105 class for it?

[austere star]

dude im just not mentally ok today what the fuck lmao

[jaunty marsh]

why does it even open at 30 if its that hard xD

[rich flax]

it scales to your level

[abstract bluff]

proper party is preferable

[jaunty marsh]

ohhhh

wait so why should i wait until 105 if it'll scale to my level?

[rich flax]

you will have more abilities

[austere star]

it'll scale to the strongest player in the party

[rich flax]

and better gear

[abstract bluff]

all the good gear like mythics is locked behind high lvls

and yea more ability points

[austere star]

and it will gain a lot of hp per extra player in the party

starting at 30m, up to 170m with a max party size of 10

[jaunty marsh]

30 million health? against level 30 players?

wtf how is that even doable at that level xD

[lethal thunder]

youre absolutely gonna want champion rank for bomb bell if you wanna try that, professions are unfortunately practically unplayable later-game without bombs

[austere star]

with a 10 stack of lvl 30s ig

[jaunty marsh]

awww man thats such a shame

[austere star]

which is stupid

because the rewards are all for endgame

[abstract bluff]

30 mil at lvl 105

[austere star]

and you get way worse rewards if not at endgame

[lethal thunder]

also cool pfp :3

[jaunty marsh]

crafting is so cool conceptually but the fact that it basically feels like only people who pay for microtransactions can do it sucks

[jaunty marsh]

she's so scrungly :3

[abstract bluff]

buy bombs with silverbull shares..

[lethal thunder]

diabolical elf being

[austere star]

just dont buy bombs leech them

its tough sometimes since prof worlds can fill up fast

[jaunty marsh]

but man i hope someday crafting gets a HUGE overhaul to be a lil more like

[abstract bluff]

prof worlds always got like a 10 player queue man

[austere star]

but it aint that bad

[jaunty marsh]

i dunno

worthwhile?

cause rn its totally unattractive unless you spend real money

[abstract bluff]

it is worthwhile but it's also just

[austere star]

if ur in a guild and they warn you of bomb bell

[jaunty marsh]

which sucks cause custom gear sounds badass

[abstract bluff]

not a fun grind

[lethal thunder]

id wait longer and play more before making the decision to get champion tank

*rank

[austere star]

^

[jaunty marsh]

i've played a long time, i'm a wynnboomer xD

[austere star]

champ is kinda useless other than joining annie late and proffing

[jaunty marsh]

since before the resource pack, before gavel, before most things tbh 💀

but im also just a broke mf who can't pay for ranks and bombs and the like xD

[lethal thunder]

o oki

[rich flax]

do you have any enchanted gear

[jaunty marsh]

enchanted? whats that

[rich flax]

like vanilla enchantments

from pre-gavel

[jaunty marsh]

Ohhhh

i remember

nah sadly, i lost my old account

[rich flax]

oof

[lethal thunder]

i wish i had a shiny :c (ik thats not what youre talking abt)

[jaunty marsh]

my old minecraft account prob has them

[abstract bluff]

you can get bombs for free they're just

[jaunty marsh]

but its gone for me

[abstract bluff]

kinda expensive emeralds wise

[jaunty marsh]

i'm pretty sure my old gmail got hacked since the password i KNOW it was was incorrect

[austere star]

plus you always gotta pop prof bombs in a ratio of 1/2 for xp/speed respectively

[jaunty marsh]

one smol thing i miss from old wynncraft

i miss janky mage teleports

[austere star]

and they are only sold in packs of 3 per silverbull share

[jaunty marsh]

being able to clip into detlas hourglass

[lethal thunder]

wait you can stack prof bombs i didnt know that

that makes a lot more sense for why the world fill up so much then lol

[austere star]

so u gotta buy at least 1 xp and 2 speed at once

thats 3 shares

for 30 mins of proffing

[abstract bluff]

700k for an hour of boosts 😔

[austere star]

i mean 60 mins

mb

bro oh my fucking god im so braindead today i wanna kms what happened

[lethal thunder]

just be lootrunning on 3 alt accounts at the same time

ez

[jaunty marsh]

i do miss my old minecraft account

i really wanted to hop back on it on wynncraft for ole times sake

[lethal thunder]

speaking of which has anyone seen the stasis + chronokinesis lr strat

actually goes hard

[austere star]

everyone has seen it i think

[jaunty marsh]

ooo one thing i want y'alls opinion on both in a "what you desire" and "what you think will happen" scenario

do y'all think we'll ever get another class?

[lethal thunder]

i gotta try it sometime

[jaunty marsh]

or are they gonna just continue to polish the existing ones?

[austere star]

at all? possible

but its also very possible we will just keep the current ones

[lethal thunder]

salted said hed like to add another

[austere star]

anyway its not coming anytime soon

[jaunty marsh]

oooo has he given any info on what kind of class it'd be?

[lethal thunder]

id say theres probsbly a 60% chance of it getting added if so

[lethal thunder]

nah

[jaunty marsh]

oof

ok lemme shift the question

archetypes

d'yall think we'll get a 4th archetype for any or all classes?

[lethal thunder]

shotgun type of weapon might be interesting

[lethal thunder]

doubt it

[austere star]

not gonna happen

would generate a lot of ability tree issues

[lethal thunder]

theyll probably keep reworking existing ones tho to balance

[austere star]

ud need more ability points for it, and if they added that it would completely break the other 3 archetypes

break in the sense of making shit kind of op

[jaunty marsh]

i suppose yea xD

i wonder if they did add a new class what kind would be cool

maybe a barehanded class?

that uses gauntlets or smth

[austere star]

not barehanded anymore

[jaunty marsh]

could maybe somehow make use of minecrafts innate offhand system

[lethal thunder]

feel like thatd be too similar to warrior

[jaunty marsh]

well yea i moreso just meant a pugilist

[lethal thunder]

idk hmm

[jaunty marsh]

like have a seperate weapon in eachhand

[austere star]

with warrior you could literally make it a monk fighter and it would be the same

[jaunty marsh]

3 archetypes could be like

[austere star]

bash you just punch the ground

uppercut you just do a loop kick

war scream you well scream

[jaunty marsh]

1. a grappler
2. comboheavy alternating strikes
3. maybe something parry based?

[austere star]

charge you just jump

[lethal thunder]

wait what if they added a class with powerfull spells but low base dps and it could heal itself

oh wait nvm

[austere star]

trapper has grapple

[austere star]

acrobat

[jaunty marsh]

hmm i guess

[lethal thunder]

ok what if they added like a powrrful aoe class but it has rly low base def

[austere star]

for the 3rd one ig theres nothing

[lethal thunder]

aw man nvm

[austere star]

but implementing a parry mechanic would be

[jaunty marsh]

does trapper have a grapple or a root

[austere star]

really fucking weird on the coding side i think

[jaunty marsh]

because they're different

[lethal thunder]

well acrobat technically already has parry

[austere star]

💀

[jaunty marsh]

when i say grapple i don't mean a root or stun

i mean like, one that allows you to manipulate the enemy think like

have u played elden ring

think like hoarah loux

[lethal thunder]

trapper grappling hook does that (not very powerful tho)

it can pull enemies to you tho it sucks

[jaunty marsh]

lock an enemy, drag them around, slam them into walls and other enemies, maybe have damage based on your momentum

i do think a class with momentum mechanics would be cool

you deal more damage depending on how fast you are at the moment of impact, or how far the enemy fell

[austere star]

lmfao i died in se and respawned in rymek

wynncraft moment

[lethal thunder]

i only recently learned respawn location is determined by the closest city to you, not the city you were last in

[austere star]

yup

[lethal thunder]

i wish rymek and the mesa as a whole didnt exist >:c

[austere star]

i wish the desert was bigger

like way bigger

[lethal thunder]

(and i learned it from the same rymek thing happening to me lol)

[austere star]

full on wasteland of dunes with some massive structures here and there

[lethal thunder]

yea thatd be cool

[austere star]

and a desert raid

[lethal thunder]

lvl 30-40 progression is kinda too meh rn imo

[jaunty marsh]

oooo what about a gunslinger class?

[austere star]

its such a free theme to build around

[lethal thunder]

ig the 2.1 quest improvements helped with that a little tho

[jaunty marsh]

one with 2 flintlock pistols, maybe have a reloading mechanic and varied ammo types to swap between?

[lethal thunder]

itd have to be some magic/medieval interpretation of guns tho

[austere star]

i mean he did say flintlock

and rymek luke exists

[lethal thunder]

yea

[jaunty marsh]

could be an archetype

like one archetype allows you to be a magic gunslinger, utilising runic technology or smth to control elemental damage or smth

or having homing shots or smth

[austere star]

tbf

sharpshooter has a bow skin that is literally a rifle

[lethal thunder]

yea was gonna say lol

tho thats just a cosmetic

but yea

[jaunty marsh]

i mean i was less thinking rifle and more dual pistols

but maybe the archetypes could be the firearm type actually

archetype that gives you a single long distance sniper with high single target damage

another with dual pistols focused on fast movement, comboing your shots, finding opportunities to reload and swap ammo types

and a last one thats maybe based on a shotgun or smth for crowd control?

or perhaps some sort of explosive ordnance like a cannon

brooooo that'd be so fun

[lethal thunder]

i have been wanting shotgun type ability for a while

given that enemies already have it

[austere star]

commander heavy specialist ong

[jaunty marsh]

it could be either its own archetype, or an aspect of the dual pistol archetype

one pistol fires normal bullets with high single target damage (maybe can swap ammotypes/elements/effects), the other is a slower firing grapeshot blast

[lethal thunder]

oo or maybe a class like necromancer from telos realms

[jaunty marsh]

maybe even effected by gravity so you can fire in the air to rain down shots

[lethal thunder]

(despite its name its not a summoner type)

[jaunty marsh]

the only other class i can think of is kinda unrealistic and would make the dev team work WAY too hard

some sort of like, sorcerer/natural magic mage, and his gimmick is he steals spells from enemies instead of having his own

but it'd mean every enemy in the game would need a spell to steal that is both balanced for the enemy and for a player to use xD

[lethal thunder]

steal a level 3 zombies insane ability to do basic melee attacks 🔥

[jaunty marsh]

XD i dunno maybe a level 3 zombie could give u a close range bite that deals damage and poisons the enemy?

guard golems could give u a spell that launches the enemy skyward

[lethal thunder]

wait

insane relevation

[jaunty marsh]

but yea i feel gunslinger or pugilist might be the best ones xD

[lethal thunder]

boltslinger and acrobat are transgender

[jaunty marsh]

wat

[lethal thunder]

they have double jump abilities

[jaunty marsh]

XD

[lethal thunder]

so they must be trans women

comfirmed

[jaunty marsh]

or brazilian

[austere star]

i was not expecting that reference

[lethal thunder]

lol

[jaunty marsh]

oooo i just had a piss and thought of another class

have y'all played dota 2

theres a character from there called invoker

[lethal thunder]

honestly the thing id ask for most in wynn rn was for more archetypes' ultimate abilities to actually be good

[jaunty marsh]

and his gimmick is he has 3 orb slots, and 3 elemental orbs

[winter brook]

lightbender

[lethal thunder]

timelock, crep ray, etc are all pretty bad rn

[jaunty marsh]

he can combine the orbs however he wants, then when he presses invoke, they form a spell entire custom to the orbs

[jaunty marsh]

nono read the next bit

[winter brook]

buff poison on gobb

[jaunty marsh]

so essentially a character who crafts his own spells on the fly

[lethal thunder]

imagine if crep ray was melee dps and not spell dmg

[winter brook]

hmm

[austere star]

omg

[winter brook]

have you seen that guy that made a custom ability tree of only spells

[jaunty marsh]

no?

[winter brook]

theres like RLLRRL as its own spell or smth

[jaunty marsh]

yea that sounds awkward to execute

[winter brook]

i cant remember who did it

[lethal thunder]

HOLY SHIT that gave me an idea

[jaunty marsh]

i moreso meant it like

[lethal thunder]

spell combos but like an actual thing

[winter brook]

real

[lethal thunder]

having abilities that activate depending on casting multiple different spells quickly

[winter brook]

the problem with it is how do you fit that with the wynncraft 4 spells

i guess

[jaunty marsh]

rlr summons red orb,
rll summons blue orb,
rrr summons green orb,
then do rrl to INVOKE them and activate the corresponding spell

[lethal thunder]

no like not adding more spells

[winter brook]

yeah

[jaunty marsh]

like that

[winter brook]

yeah

[jaunty marsh]

^

that way

he only has 4 spells

[winter brook]

but how much mana do they all cost

[lethal thunder]

giving ritualist vibes

[winter brook]

i imagine the orbs are zero

[jaunty marsh]

its a similar concept but with a different end goal

[winter brook]

and the cast is based on the orb combo

cost i mean

[jaunty marsh]

probably zero yea

[winter brook]

worn soldier gambit on its way

ong

20 mana orb casts

[jaunty marsh]

the invoke could either cost based on how much each orb technically costs, or each spell combo has its own preset cost

[jaunty marsh]

whats that

[winter brook]

all spells cost at least 20 mana

in raids its a gambit

[lethal thunder]

or having different things happen depending in which combination of orbs you currently have active

[jaunty marsh]

yea thats the idea

[winter brook]

maybe like the orbs from uhh slay the spire type thing

[jaunty marsh]

like for example, red blue green could be a giant white light blast that knocks enemies away and blinds them

red red red could be a flamethrower

[lethal thunder]

ah ok

but yea having to cast 4 spells to do anything is kinda hmm

[jaunty marsh]

true but to compensate the spells would be pretty good

[winter brook]

heavy flamethrower

[lethal thunder]

also like

when youre just starting out you only have 1 spell so how would that work lol

[jaunty marsh]

you offset the cost of having to do 4 spells by giving the player a HUGE plethora of tools to work with

[winter brook]

launch the orbs ong

[jaunty marsh]

thats true, the way dota does it is each orb also has a passive effect

[lethal thunder]

a

[jaunty marsh]

like red boosts damage, green provides regen, blue provides mana regen or smth

[wise egret]

is the wynncraft resource pack available somehwere

[jaunty marsh]

and ideally you'd start off with invoke by default alongside 1 of the orbs

which does break the convention, but i don't think thats a bad thing

so 3 orbs would mean 27 potential spells

[lethal thunder]

wait wuh

[white scroll]

ew

[jaunty marsh]

the gimmick of the character is that he's more complex to play than most and takes longer to cast, but to make up for it his spells are of good strength and he has options for every scenario

[white scroll]

imagine telling players to remember the 27 potential spell combos.

thats bad.

[lethal thunder]

oh right bc you can have multiple of the same orb nvm

[jaunty marsh]

hey man if they don't wanna they can either stick to like 3 or just play another class xD

27 spells combos isn't that bad to memorise

[lethal thunder]

well

[white scroll]

complexity doesn't inherently mean good design

[lethal thunder]

on the other side thatd also be really tough to balance

[jaunty marsh]

true but nor does simplicity and the removal of it

[lethal thunder]

and there would probably only be like 2-4 good ones out of the 27

[jaunty marsh]

again to anyone who doesn't like remembering the spells they can just use their favs

[winter brook]

kazuya smash bros moment

[lethal thunder]

like most class playstyles rn already ignore the vast majority of abilities

[jaunty marsh]

true balancing could be difficult but i think it'd be a worthwhile endeavour

[winter brook]

or any fighting game for that matter

[white scroll]

I don't think an argument for complexity for those who disagree is to just not utilize the complexity.

[jaunty marsh]

it'd be a great thing for a huge amount of players

[lethal thunder]

thats why i love acrobat so much bc its one of the only archerypes (another being arcanist) where almost all abilities are rly useful

[jaunty marsh]

i mean think about it. in most games theres easy characters and hard ones

does that makes those games bad games?

does it mean the games can't be played by some people?

[white scroll]

and is that applicable to wynn?

[wise egret]

does anyone here know the resource packs name as a file rn

[jaunty marsh]

of course

its a game with several classes of varying difficulties

so why is it such a bad thing to continue with the same trend

[lethal thunder]

CITY IS GETTING AN ANIME

[white scroll]

by making it the most complex out of all by an insane margin?

[jaunty marsh]

again i don't see why thats a bad thing

[white scroll]

why is it a good thing?

[jaunty marsh]

if a class is too complex that you don't find it attractive, don't pick it

[white scroll]

that is a really bad argument to have for supporting complexity

[jaunty marsh]

because theres a lot of people who would be very happy to play that class

[jaunty marsh]

ok but at the same time your argument for locking out complexity is "Some people won't like playing it"

[lethal thunder]

well we do have 2 archetypes that are insanely simple by an insane margin but yea idk this still feels too complex

[jaunty marsh]

some people don't like ritualist

[lusty shard]

Hey, I'm new in Wynncraft, currently lvl 85 and I saw that there's a function to join guilds. Do guilds have any positive advantage?

[jaunty marsh]

so they play warrior instead

[lethal thunder]

maybe just stick it to only having 1 of a certain orb active at a time, so you have 6 possible combos instead of 27

[jaunty marsh]

does that mean ritualist is badly designed?

[lethal thunder]

or wait

thats not 6

[white scroll]

you play with others, get a weekly objective, and can get special rewards depending on the size of the guild

[lethal thunder]

unless the order of orbs matters then you could have 6

[austere star]

you can also do guild wars (no one does them rn) and guild raids (everyone does them rn)

[jaunty marsh]

again, the "problems" you find with this idea are already intrinsic to wynncraft

[austere star]

also get access to guild tomes which are crucial for a lot of builds

[lusty shard]

oh nice and I saw something about "graids", are those raids with the entire guild?

[lethal thunder]

and get guild tomes

yea

[jaunty marsh]

when a class isn't for you, you play another class

[lusty shard]

oh okay

[white scroll]

1 4 player party of guild members

[jaunty marsh]

just because you'd hate to learn 27 spells, doesn't mean everyone would hate to use them xD

[white scroll]

so you'd want the devs to have to balance each and every combo of the 27 spells, or else there's only going to be 3 or 4 that are good?

[winter brook]

guild. tomes.

[lethal thunder]

idk i think having 6 stronger abilities would be better than 27

[jaunty marsh]

obviously ideally yes, a consistent balance is a good thing

but i know its hard

which is what i led with

[white scroll]

that is outrageous to ask of them

[jaunty marsh]

I literally led with that

please dont' act like i didn't xD

its by all means a tough thing, but i think it'd be a worthwhile addition if it piqued their interest

[lethal thunder]

if you make it so you can only have 1 of a certain orb active at a time, and that the order of active orbs matters, then youd be restricted to 6 abilities and i think thatd work better

then itd be like basically an advanced spellcaster class

[jaunty marsh]

yea i mean either would work

[white scroll]

6 is better than 27

[jaunty marsh]

i dunno if i'd say either is strictly better

you might prefer six personally, but i know many folks who'd love 27

[white scroll]

easier for players to remember, less total balancing involved, less total work for devs to do everything

and is still more complex than current classes.

[jaunty marsh]

true

i just like the idea of 27

[white scroll]

instead of a spike from little to max complexity
go from little to some

[jaunty marsh]

i mean true, but then players are left wanting more and then theres pressure to go a step up

then the 7th class will have like 12 possible spells

[white scroll]

you mean players like you, who want extreme complexity

[jaunty marsh]

then 20

[lethal thunder]

wait what if there was a class where you had to solve a randomized definite integral problem to do burst dmg 🔥 am i cooking

[jaunty marsh]

yes

players precisely like me

[white scroll]

so appealing to a minority group?

[jaunty marsh]

i'd not call it a minority group. it just feels that way to you because the idea is foreign to you

[white scroll]

I think people who really want FF14 type complexity in Wynn is a minority.

[winter brook]

go solve this binomial expansion to do the binomial expansion amount of damage where x is equal to 7

[jaunty marsh]

oh come on its not ff14 level xD

its 27 spells

[white scroll]

6 outputs base that can be expanded upon in the colors by archetypes would be better than 27 outputs base + archetypes

[jaunty marsh]

and again i'd still not call it a minority

[winter brook]

27 spells… as opposed to wynn’s 4

[white scroll]

^

[jaunty marsh]

again just because it isn't identical to what currently exists doesn't mean its a bad idea

[white scroll]

a more than 600% increase in spells

[winter brook]

i mean

the classes in wynn are balanced to be roughly equal

[lethal thunder]

truuu

[winter brook]

adding a class with 27 different spells would uhh

interrupt that

[jaunty marsh]

in balance yes

they should all be roughly equal in strength

[winter brook]

also the classes are based on separate things

[jaunty marsh]

but equal in complexity is totally seperate

[winter brook]

like i feel like invoker would take on the same role as mage

[jaunty marsh]

im not saying i want this class to just be the most powerful

hell he could be the weakest statistically

and maybe the way he compensates is with more flexible tools

[winter brook]

Spell combo boutta be longer than acrobat

[white scroll]

why not make it an elementalist

[jaunty marsh]

well thats what it basically is in a way

3 elemental orbs

all combined to create a spell

[winter brook]

casts RLRLLLRRRLRLRLLLRLRLRLLLRRLLLRRLLLRLLLLRRRRLRLRLRL

[white scroll]

that is just mage + assassin in the end of it though

[jaunty marsh]

not all at once, scroll back up and see the casting details

theres a storage system in place

[winter brook]

yeah but like

[white scroll]

mage orbs with assassin details

[winter brook]

i mean the orbs need to be cast

so

[jaunty marsh]

is it?

[white scroll]

they mean in the grand scheme it'll become that

[jaunty marsh]

how is it just mage/assassin

[lethal thunder]

it gives you a missing constant in an equation for a 3d surface and you find the best constant in a certain range of values that would give the biggest partial derivative with respect to x at a given point and getting it right does burst dmg

how does that class sound chat

[white scroll]

make them turn a sphere inside out without intersections

[winter brook]

solve the binomial expansion of (3x-72)^15

[jaunty marsh]

bro it ain't that bad lmao

[lethal thunder]

each spell is a different type of surface to solve for

[jaunty marsh]

its just "oh i have 27 spells, what would be best for right now? ok i'll pick spell a"

[white scroll]

yeah let me remember all 27 combos

[jaunty marsh]

again people do it

invoker exists in dota

[white scroll]

again this is wynn

[jaunty marsh]

and people play him proficiently

[white scroll]

not dota

[jaunty marsh]

i know

but why shouldn't there be a class like that man xD

[winter brook]

play acrobat please

[white scroll]

all the classes are similar but uniquely different
4 spells to 27 is such a leap

[winter brook]

or ritualist

[jaunty marsh]

the only argument i've really gotten is a. would be hard for devs
b. i don't like it

[white scroll]

you want complexity because you, and a minority group, would like to have this extreme complexity in comparison to every other class in the game

[lethal thunder]

nah ritualist is actually way easier than it seems

[jaunty marsh]

again i like that they're similar in STRENGTH. but i'd like a more strongly varied Complexity

[lethal thunder]

bc you either just use lunatic mask with another archetype or if you do full ritualist you just totem spam with fanatic to get awakened for hmelee

[jaunty marsh]

again its not much of a minority

[winter brook]

average wynncraft argument:

[white scroll]

it really is in the grand scheme of wynn

[lethal thunder]

acrobat is the only actual complex playstyle in wynn imo (probably biased)

[winter brook]

dont worry i didnt actuLly report it lol

[wise egret]

guys can anyone help me with something

[winter brook]

yeah

[wise egret]

i want to get the resource pack

[jaunty marsh]

but i want strength to be equal, not difficulty

[white scroll]

acrobat is complex because its a combo of their 4 spells

[wise egret]

and i got the past ones

but not current ones

[white scroll]

you can have complexity without big numbers

[jaunty marsh]

true

[white scroll]

you don't need 27 spells

[winter brook]

spell weaving!!!!!

[jaunty marsh]

but its not inherently bad to have 27 spells

you hate it and thats fine

[white scroll]

6 types, like what emiuna said, works

[jaunty marsh]

you don't have to play invoker

but those of us who adore complexity will

[lethal thunder]

nah more like the vast majority of people wouldnt like it

[white scroll]

the only argument for complexity is: a. you don't have to play it
b. i like it

[jaunty marsh]

i dunno man i've met lots of folks who like very complex characters in games in general

[jaunty marsh]

i and many others like it

and the difference here is

[white scroll]

yeah, your minority clique

[jaunty marsh]

I'm arguing FOR its existence

[lethal thunder]

its hard to emphasize but 27 all reliant on very long combinations of R and L is just far too much for wynn's simplicity

[winter brook]

least conplex acrobat spell chain:
RLRRRRRRLRLRRRRRLLRLRRRRLRRRRLR

[jaunty marsh]

you're arguing AGAINST its existence

if it gets added to the game

[white scroll]

6 spells work better than 27

you have to remember that kids also play this

[jaunty marsh]

it makes people like me VERY happy and doesn't effect people like you

[winter brook]

tbh i doubt anything like this would get added anytime soon lol

[jaunty marsh]

if it DOESN'T get added

[white scroll]

and why make a character if only a select few will play them

[jaunty marsh]

it makes people like me kinda sad and doesn't effect people like you

[winter brook]

cos i think the concept 6th class was some form of summoner

[white scroll]

why suggest a character when an argument for its existence is that you can just not play it

[winter brook]

“summoner”

[jaunty marsh]

im just measuring the happiness levels caused by both outcomes

[white scroll]

shaman archetype

[jaunty marsh]

then by that logic we shouldn't have added shaman since people could just refuse to play it

[lethal thunder]

it would affect us and the vast majority of ppl if a class almost no one liked got added instead of a class almost everyone likes

[winter brook]

erm ackshually trapper

[white scroll]

true true

[lethal thunder]

mfw trapper has more summons than summoner

[white scroll]

😔

[jaunty marsh]

i mean in some manner yes you'd be like "shucks i didn't get my summoner class" but like

thats a temporary upsset

its not like you'd go back to playing warrior and be like

"grrrr the existence of invoker really ruins my gameplay"

[white scroll]

An elementalist could make sense, but it'd have to be more unique than Big Combo Strains My Fingers

[jaunty marsh]

again

my argument is

[white scroll]

I just shouldnt play it?

thats a poor argument, man

[winter brook]

also

[jaunty marsh]

the amount of happiness increases if its added

[lethal thunder]

wait i just realized blood sorrow is medic tf2

[winter brook]

what archetypes would invoker have

like

[lethal thunder]

everything is tf2

no one can escape tf2

[winter brook]

what would the different playstyles be

[jaunty marsh]

hmmm, i have a few ideas

[winter brook]

for example sure you can have too big spell combo

[white scroll]

in what way can invoker have a different playstyle than just complex spellcasting

[jaunty marsh]

one thats kinda esoteric and one thats more grounded

[winter brook]

but you could also do the funny thing that is lightweaver orbs

[white scroll]

also why not name it Evoker