📚lore_discussion

[signal bough]

90% sure we'll get a proper lvl 120 with wastelands

[frozen turtle]

i think wasteland would work better as an offshoot to the mistwood questline but it could be that too

or maybe even spanning more levels

[hybrid gazelle]

eyah

[frozen turtle]

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

and the true colour seems to suggest so

[frozen turtle]

like we better be going into the prison to break out the people

like surely

[hybrid gazelle]

the lack of dungeon in Fruma really feel like Wasteland should be side content

and having it being splitter off from Mistwood would make the wasteland be on par the same leve as Highalnd

[signal bough]

I think we're gonna have Rurie say 'well there's only one active field army left in Fruma, let's go to Deraj!'

[hybrid gazelle]

which make it enjoyable for those who finish Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

This seems very weird for epliogue LOL but sure

like looking at the story onward

having the end of the climax and jsut have

"Okay guys let's deal with wasteland"

just very weird pacing for the story

than to just has an epliogue

[signal bough]

there's gotta be something there tying in with Dern

[hybrid gazelle]

and we know there going to be epliogue as a quest

also it just weird to have 120 quests with no progression

that just

that just weird LOL

[frozen turtle]

there could potentially be a random epilogue type quest after apothesis similar-ish to AHC ig which doesnt progress the main story as much

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

there will be

CT said it

[frozen turtle]

oh yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

that epliogue will be a quest

or at least something similar to it

that why I skeptical about Wasteland to be epliogue thing

[frozen turtle]

so maybe it'll be apart of wasteland or at least, release at the asme time

[hybrid gazelle]

and just side story happen along side fruma main story

[signal bough]

also don't we know what's coming next? 'The Butterfly Effect'?

[frozen turtle]

i dont know hwy the epligue would be there

[hybrid gazelle]

Butterfly effect is the raid tiself

because ANathema theme is butterfly effect

also that been removed in release

which tbh I think that what they tryin to say

that Butterfly effect chapter is the raid itself

[frozen turtle]

unless the wasteland has more lore potential than we know and an epliogue would work idk

[spring kernel]

nah

[hybrid gazelle]

ah I see

[signal bough]

based on my understanding of the term it would be the consequences

[frozen turtle]

it may not even be in fruma but be in wynn potentially

[signal bough]

cause its 'a butterfly flapping its wings can cause a tornado on the other side of the world'

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird that they remove it and has Anathema theme being butterfly effect lOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwUGOc8SLGo&list=RDjwUGOc8SLGo&start_radio=1

[untold warren]

What would Avos taste like?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes that

what the term mean yeah

the butterfly effect likely refering

to how Orphion and Saphanis will take action

after Anathema is out of the picture

[signal bough]

you could argue that the queen turning into an evil ass moth and opening a rift is consequences enough but I disagree

[untold warren]

what if Fruma is just consequences?

[signal bough]

Fruma 2

[hybrid gazelle]

The consequence of Fruma story is literally

that Orphion and Saphanis free to take action

which is set up for future story

again I highly dbout Wasteland will be that important because it seems to be more fruma side story

like according to what we know about wasteland

the story in the wasteland is not deemed imporant by CT to be part of Fruma update

[untold warren]

knowing Orphion, him doing anything is as likely as the Player getting a romantic partner

Theres a chance, but its ehhh

[frozen turtle]

consquences would be corruption may start acting weird, and light & dark stuff maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

the

[frozen turtle]

but idk if they'd put light and dark stuff into the game before dern is released

like

[hybrid gazelle]

the story spell it out

the consequence

of the story

Guys

[untold warren]

I'm not entirely listening to this conversation, sorry

[spring kernel]

Anathema says what the consequences would be of her not being around anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

like she said it

in every dialogue branch

[frozen turtle]

yeah that light and dark would be free to conquer and shit

i would also assume the realm of war would be affected in some way

[signal bough]

I hope deraj is like nova prospekt from hl2

shame the only explicit hl2 content we got sucked(airboat)

[mossy widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1507046505003880478/IMG_1699.gif

why does this gif kind of have mold on it

[hybrid gazelle]

the mold grow,,,

from content prespective

having wasteland as side content counterpart to Highalnd

would help a lot with level gap

and add more end game contents that coudl be enjoy by those who finish Fruma nad also by those who has not finish fruma

and also would open a space for Fruma dungeon

if that the case ofc

[signal bough]

the problem with leveling is almost entirely in mistwoods

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably add new quest like adasaur quest

just likely

not sure

[untold warren]

Rex is ancient

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not ocunting on it

but it a lot more plausible

than them just adding new region without increasing level cap

also it just create a good split story

between Sui and Yusano

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DZnAOGzm7VLgOsnuZZackUJLJO-v53a3F1kL8YrySME/edit?usp=sharing

again most of my point explain in the doc

too lazy to say it

[untold warren]

Next max level is 131 btw

I feel like at some point in time, they'll stop increasing the level cap

[hybrid gazelle]

do we know that this is max level

as come from the CT themselves

[untold warren]

Nah, its from an item drop in WTP

[hybrid gazelle]

that

I dont think that a good level indicator

[untold warren]

Charm of something something, combat experience between lvl 120 to 131

[hybrid gazelle]

what items

[untold warren]

yeah but its a good basis

[untold warren]

Its a charm in WTP

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that

at least it's an evidence

[untold warren]

it could be higher though, i dunno

[signal bough]

damn thought it would be 126

[untold warren]

But at what point are they gonna stop at a certain level cap? Because we're getting really close to needing 1B just for a single level

[signal bough]

10 delicious levels of dern 😍

[untold warren]

How much is xp needed to go from 119 to 120 again?

I'll just guess 115m

so by around lvl 142, we might need a billion xp just to get to lvl 143

[signal bough]

we are fine until it takes 2147483647 xp to get to the bonus level

[untold warren]

I feel like it'll overflow so that we'll need negative of that and we automatically hit the bonus level

[drifting aurora]

oh the charm?

it's a loot bonus charm that's 111 to 131 in order to not stack with the tcc charm

[cedar kernel]

Nah it’s up to 131 for future proofing

For when 131 content is added properly

[untold warren]

oh it wasn't combat xp? 😭

[drifting aurora]

no

[hybrid gazelle]

omg what if Dern is like SE 2 where level cap become 125 with 3 quests in the entire expansion

[solid ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201054803506245644/1483561770923855872/caption.gif

[stray karma]

If it comes out in a year it's fine

If it comes in 7...

[formal bridge]

17 years for 1 quest

AHC rekindled

Now it's 50 stages with even more esoteric places to trigger cutscenes

The corkus section is half the quest now

[limber swan]

pretty likely

why would dern need a shit ton of quests

I guess maybe it has like 5 quests and a ton of caves

I don't see how it could even have a town

the ROL doesn't have a town

why would Dern?

[hot kiln]

just horsing around

[neat oriole]

corrupted horse

[vestal sentinel]

wouldnt dern be basically the end

for wynn's story

[hybrid gazelle]

It's the end of War of the Realm story

but as MMORPG goes

it will continue

through different storyline

I think CT did say they have some open thread they can pull for new story

[dim plover]

There's going to be another two realms that's like, above the Light and Dark realms

Like, on the next universal existence above

[drifting aurora]

play jenga with the realms

[slim belfry]

open thread you say...

[dim plover]

And they're going to be at war with each other as well

[vestal sentinel]

maybe they should branch over to sth like

[dim plover]

What should we call the realms

[vestal sentinel]

collecting wools and put them on monuments

[dim plover]

The Realms of Dight and Lark

[hybrid gazelle]

next storyline we going to have story about realm of good and evil

and we gonna have

good beast and evil beast

and there is no morality gray in this story at all,

it straight up just forward we gotta kill evil beast

[golden flicker]

imagine if the next story was one affected by the players in real time

that'd be the craziest thing

the fate of Wynn is in the playerbase's hands

[hybrid gazelle]

it already is

espically after Fruma

but having wynncraft react dynamically to what player does

is depend like

to what extend??

[golden flicker]

i mean it like a war scenaario

[vestal sentinel]

let's make guild war canon

[golden flicker]

LOL

[vestal sentinel]

@grok, read the entirety of #guild_community and turn it into a story

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by war scenerios

[golden flicker]

like a civil war over

something

lmao

probably wouldnt make sense

but i think it'd be interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont understand

[golden flicker]

i dont understand either tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

is not the whole story revovle around war to begin with?

[golden flicker]

im just throwing out ideas

[vestal sentinel]

maybe like after corruption and war of realms is somehow solved, conflicts between humans and/or villagers could rise again

[golden flicker]

^

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah that could be plausible

but taht entirely depend if the story can be engaging as war of the realms to the next story of wynncraft story

[golden flicker]

afaik, the player went into war with the corruption, then with agents of darkness (dern), and then eventually the fruman monarchy

[dim plover]

Is this falcon-looking thing supposed to be her crown or smth

It's a different red compared to the rest of the model

[hybrid gazelle]

Player barely even battle corruption but sure

maybe when they rework early game, you probably right

player mf be getting soldier title when they doing bare minimum of months of service for millitary

at least they take out important target I guess

if Charon that important

I guess

[slim belfry]

player is a rank just below private somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably be in special unit but at the same time it not liek they ever do a lot of millitary operation

and even some of them that close to millitary operation, they just wander around randoml and people take them in

[vestal sentinel]

world renowned hero never got a promotion 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah because

why would they get promotion

they dont even do anything for millitary itself

that just your own thing

[vestal sentinel]

perhaps

[golden flicker]

i mean

[hybrid gazelle]

that shit is like you should get promotion because you doing your own personal project

like no I am not fucking paying you extra

[golden flicker]

if we take world of warcraft as a comparison

[hybrid gazelle]

just becuase you decide to go to italy and do fuck all

[golden flicker]

the player is more or less

an adventurer

[hybrid gazelle]

they are

[golden flicker]

and a champion of wynn

[dim plover]

Is Anathema the most powerful thing in the Realm of War

[golden flicker]

so even without an official military designation

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

yeah sure nothing suggest otherwise

[vestal sentinel]

if u dont do much for the military at which point would you just get kicked out

[hybrid gazelle]

Player probably should get kick out

but apperantly Tasim is the only one who deserted

and not player

[vestal sentinel]

fire

[hybrid gazelle]

but like to be fair Tasim left earlier than the player did

but like all of them should be deserter

which tbh I dont know how they allow to walk free in Wyn

but sure why not

mf don even parcipate in large scale battle like

they never do any of that

at all

[slim belfry]

hard to say since her power was distributed among sovereigns

[vestal sentinel]

did ragni king want to rid of wynn excavation again

[hybrid gazelle]

the closet thing is Charon stuff

Yes

Ragni King been fighting against wynnex

but that more war through politic

than actual fighting involve

[vestal sentinel]

well, we did fight for the nation's interest

[hybrid gazelle]

well there likely fighting involve

[vestal sentinel]

maybe that's why we havent been kicked out

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah we did but that does not mean you are part of millitary,

rank in millitary often measure how much you can lead people

becuase the higher you go, the more people you will lead

so like just because you take out cthullu does not mean you have a social skill and ability to lead 100 peoples or more

peopel probably WILL respect you

but leadership is another skill

so no

yhol shit

mr beast

so no

[vestal sentinel]

mr beast pls give me 3 dollars

i need it

[hybrid gazelle]

just becuase you killing god-like beings without millitary's word

you aint getting promotion

unless SPECIFIC circumstance

[vestal sentinel]

just saying maybe that's why we dont get punished for kinda deserting

[hybrid gazelle]

also even more so player does not even live up their service

[vestal sentinel]

like a pardon or sth idk

[hybrid gazelle]

that would explain it

[vestal sentinel]

same with tasim

somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

nah Tasim got call out

Jenprest call him out on his deserting

but there probalby more pressing matter at hand

tho I pretty sure if he stay in Detlas any longer

admiral aegis probably jump him

[slim belfry]

it's sad given many recruits don't even wanna fight

[hybrid gazelle]

still tho pretty irresponsible thing for player to do

again

not saying that they own their life to Wynn

it just Wynn also has troubled with the undea

[vestal sentinel]

owe* now explode

[hybrid gazelle]

it's morally gray zone thing that Wynncraft never fukcing talk about despite have the whole quest about gray morality

[golden flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/meme-minor-spelling-mistake-1

[hybrid gazelle]

it's odd is not it that one of the most morally gray aspect of the game which is whatever Fruman recruits should be serve their service for province that they never know exist

never really talk about

[vestal sentinel]

wait did caid desert

like

tf was he doing

[hybrid gazelle]

0 idea

He probably transport stuff for wynn

but again 0 idea

but you can probalby come up with your own intereptation

[drifting aurora]

caid quit the war

[vestal sentinel]

like resign?

wait is he supposed to be old

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think it ever specify when he get to Wynn

so I think that fine

he probably live out his service

[vestal sentinel]

what did tasim do in gavel again

[golden flicker]

he just adventured around there afaik

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Orc War

we know he is part of orc war

and also wandering around

but beside that

we dont know

bujt he defintiely deserted

[vestal sentinel]

huh where is that mentioned

[hybrid gazelle]

Queen's recruit

and Festival

[vestal sentinel]

ic

[golden flicker]

and in dialogue during wynnter fest

[hybrid gazelle]

we will see what he do in orc war

but consider Jenprest reaction I dont think it that bad

so I highly dbout he help the orc

but probably butt head with Kymer

[slim belfry]

he and kymer's interaction

[vestal sentinel]

like, from a rework?

[slim belfry]

yeah

[vestal sentinel]

ooh

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[vestal sentinel]

so is current orc related stuff just not gonna be canon in the future

[hybrid gazelle]

depend

I am not sure

hard to say

the main meat likely going to stay the same but with Tasim

dont see anything else to change about orc war beside having them more connected

[vestal sentinel]

sounds nice

[hybrid gazelle]

there probalby more but we dont know

we also need to have Tasim interact with light and dark stuff

probably again in Gavel

[vestal sentinel]

it's mentioned he's aware of that b4 fruma too right?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

imply at least

he does not seems to surpirse when he talk about how the queen talking about the war been Light and Dark

[frozen turtle]

it's basically confirmed

"Sovereign Tasim: Sigh... You remember what she said, don't you? A ceaseless, meaningless war, fought by forces beyond our power?
Sovereign Tasim: Haven't you seen the symptoms, the consequences? Light and Dark and the War they leave in their wake?
Sovereign Tasim: If one side wins, everything ends. Fruma, Wynn, Gavel- nothing will matter if they get what they want.
Sovereign Tasim: That's... what the tournament was for. She wanted someone powerful, who was from Fruma, but who had also seen... all of it."

She wanted someone powerful, who was from Fruma, but who had also seen... all of it.

..I guess that someone was me.

Though basically all the other tournament people i dont think have seen all of it

tbf Tasim hasn't really either, only the player has but oh well

[narrow kestrel]

he fucked off pretty early from Wynn so yea he didn't see much

though aledar and tasim together can probably match whatever Player has seen

[split night]

quest update should include us with Aledar or Tasim doing stupid fun little quest more often to build friendship

[hybrid gazelle]

the issue is that

there just no other quest that Tasim and Aledar can build a bond later

I can see them reunite again later down the line

but mannn they shot themselves in the foot with making Tasim left for Gavel

but IDK maye they have other plan

[limber swan]

they can quit

like I know they can quit

but why

I feel like with a thing like the corruption War you would not be allowed to leave the army

[frozen turtle]

tasim sometimes feels like originally they were like "oh lets send him to gavel so we dont have to deal with him" and completely forgot that the player goes to gavel for like, like half the game

[dim plover]

I wonder if there’s a hard limit as to how much quest xp Wynncraft allows itself to give us per combat level

As in if someone plans to add a new questline in an already existing level range, like 80-90 for example

Then they’ll have to be careful about quest bloat

[rustic nexus]

it's not just soldiers that wynn would likely need to have a functioning society, so it could be that he sails to catch fish or transport goods, while only fighting if necessary

[frozen turtle]

my solution to quest bloat is to remove stupid quests

[rustic nexus]

I think it's better to rework them where possible

[frozen turtle]

ultimate weapon

[rustic nexus]

no

free money

ultimate weapon should stay

[frozen turtle]

just make whatever quest u replace it with give more money

replace it with like, an actual good quest about the region which leads to free le

[dim plover]

Can someone theoretically add a new questline in 100-110 or will that plus Fruma quests be too much xp

Or even 110-120

I guess we can only have 1 major location per level range I suppose

[rustic nexus]

I think if there's any quests planned for fruma/wastelands currently, the xp amounts already account for that

[frozen turtle]

tell the CT that

[rustic nexus]

but for future additions I'd imagine it would depend

[dim plover]

I’m trying to figure out if I can slot in a set of quests into the already existing set of official quests

I remember back when I was rewriting WynnEx I did make a few new quests for like, level 101-108

[frozen turtle]

level 90 to 100 already struggles with some region-quest bloat

[dim plover]

If I were to add them in now I dunno if it will conflict with Fruma

xp-wise

[frozen turtle]

there is no lvl 82 quest

[dim plover]

Like, I assume Wynncraft doesn’t want the player to be able to level up only via quests?

Like, am I guessing correctly here

[frozen turtle]

ig? well

late game it seems like it

early game u get xp like crazy just by going through the questline

[stray karma]

Quests aren't enough but the content book is (now)

You can just not kill a single mob outside of content book activity and reach 120

Well you may be able to use crafteds for massive negative xp so you don't get enough for the 1-time dungeon completion of content book... But you must be deranged to think about that

[cinder cedar]

Caid might have retired from active military fighting duty, but he is still part of the logistics

Im really wondering how good Wynn's logistics are

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that why I dont expect wasteland to have that much quest

4 quests at best

[rustic nexus]

4 feels too much for just the wastelands tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

3 also more plausible

DEFINITELY 2 mainline

1 prtobalby gonna feature Sohso cameo

depend on what Wasteland also come wityh

[frozen turtle]

i want 5 questline of just Sohso

[dim plover]

If it helps I made 1

[limber swan]

I don't see why it can't have 4 quests

even the Mistwoods has 4

and its side content anyways

why not give it a bunch of sidequests

I'd love to see some more quests like olmic rune

especially a horror quest thats kinda similar to olmic rune

that would be awesome

[warm flicker]

secret dialogue unlocks if u talk to sohso while having completed ??? quest

source: trust me

[full jackal]

I think early-game gives wayyy too much xp

to the point where I'm at least 6 levels overlevel for any content

[compact agate]

67

[full jackal]

But late-game exp grinding even when you try to do as much content as possible is pretty insane

I mean I think secret discoveries shouldn't be so... necessary to level up since they're y'know, secret

and level grinding should only be left for those who don't do all the quests

[indigo wedge]

there are definitely a lot more quests up until around level 85-90

[full jackal]

i mean like i think doing all caves, some WEs and quests should be enough to get from one level to the next

[indigo wedge]

fruma is sparsely populated in the quest department

[full jackal]

Like Early-game exp reqs should be way higher

[full jackal]

yea but that's because

[indigo wedge]

quantity-wise not quality wise

[full jackal]

every quest is so good

[indigo wedge]

yeah

well not every quest

[full jackal]

So like honestly i'd rather have 21 good quests than 50 mid quests

[indigo wedge]

20 out of 21 fruma quests are good

[full jackal]

I mean when I can't think of a bad fruma quest

[indigo wedge]

celebrations in smoke

[full jackal]

tf do you mean??

[indigo wedge]

i might’ve missed something but it feels like off the rails but worse

it’s an okay quest but fruma quests have raised the standard so much that it feels out of place

[full jackal]

That quest was nice, I always like a good mystery

I mean I wish there was a deduction mechanic like in ace attorney investigations

but that's a pretty big expectation and insanely hard to work out

[full jackal]

?????????

Off the rails is goated asf

[indigo wedge]

yeah

[full jackal]

Oh wait no

[indigo wedge]

celebrations in smoke is a copycat

[full jackal]

sorry i misread

[full jackal]

uhh yea i mean the two quests are kinda similar but like CiS does more like active investigation with more movement

[hybrid gazelle]

feel liek celebration in smoke and off the rail only share one common thing is that they are more mystery solving genre of quest

[full jackal]

OtR is more of a puzzle thing

[hybrid gazelle]

but they definitely have different tone

they actually does pretty well to show how wynncraft quest writing are different from the past

as they become more consider to the region they are in to fit with the theme of said region

so despite these 2 quests sharing the same genre

they have different message and tone

so even if they are similar to some people, I still believe that they are pretty good demostration to the modern quest writing to capture each region tone that the quest take place in

[full jackal]

true

[full jackal]

I mean like also CiS is a pretty good expository quest on Aldwell's attitudes towards clans and changelings though

And I liked how you have to confront the suspects after gathering evidence

(though i wish there were actual "wrong" options)

I mean though like I do wish there were wrong options

Like I feel the "right" options make it a bit too easy y'know like make the player actually have to think about what they're saying and the logical conclusions of the evidence they've gathered

But uhh like yea other than that

It was a great quest imo

other than gathering the medallion fuck that shit

wait there's actually a middle finger emoji what

🖕

holy fucking shit

[slender copper]

👆

[full jackal]

this is the equivalent of a caveman discovering fire

but uhh without the implication of me analogizing myself as a caveman

healing the world with comedyyyyy making a literal difference metaphoricallyyyyyyyyy

Oh but uhhh is there actually any lore behind the guardians of the plains

and the construct stuff

like uhh wait

"What instructs the old constructs were given have long been forgotten, and now they attack all that comes across their path with indiscriminate hatred."

So like were these built by the olm?

But they look a bit like villagers...

huh

maybe they're like early prototypes of golems????

Not sure honestly

[slender copper]

Here I am haven't having been able to progress even if there isn't any wrong option 💀

[full jackal]

I guess it's time to do architecture studies of wynn now

yay

(it's 10:48pm and i have school tomorrow)

[full jackal]

you know what FUCKING PISSES ME OFF

I took screenshots of the wynncraft cities

in minecraft and I'm trying to access the files

but it directly opens it in preview instead of directing me to the FUCKING FILE

why

[split night]

starwalker

[full jackal]

wait is zhiraok wearing a headdress or his his hair white

cuz i only ever seen it drawn as white hair

but he looks like he's wearing one of those head accessory things

[full jackal]

fuck i was doing research for wynnswap using google

and now they give ai answers for the "people also ask" section

who even asked for this

JUST READ THE WEBSITE GODDAMNIT

[split night]

wynnspin

[full jackal]

what?

[cedar kernel]

What color is their build

I meant

Beard

[full jackal]

... brown

but everyone draws his head thing as white

and as his hair

so like i'm genuinely confused

[regal spire]

Considering that the entirety of Deraj, the rest of the available region, and some kind of potential well of changelings are all pieces of content within the wastelands, you could end up with more than 4

Deraj alone could be 1-2 quests, and 2 side quests dedicated to changelings escaping, or helping prisoners, etc etc isn’t unreasonable to expect. And, if the wastelands extends to the underground, you could have even more tied to it

[rustic nexus]

I think deraj will be one quest

[regal spire]

Maybe it’ll just be a prisons server

It’s more so wondering what exactly could be under the wastelands. I keep feeling like there will be a huge af underground expansion

If not as an actually explorable expansion, as a dungeon of some sort

[hybrid gazelle]

I imagine like

1 quest is wasteland introduction

and then 2nd quest is deraj prison raid

where you prepping for deraj prison

and the quest only end after you complete the dungeon

or something along that line

or mayb just like aranhind ascend

where you get epliogue

[regal spire]

It’s crazy to me that Deraj has a train station

I wonder how far into the prison it will go

Also, I wonder if the wastelands will get a fog of its own

[rustic nexus]

I hope not

[regal spire]

I do

I like the fog

[limber swan]

fog is cool

[rustic nexus]

probably not far

like

near the entrance probably

[limber swan]

I just hope we get the answers for what tf the player is

[rustic nexus]

the player is

[regal spire]

I honestly think it might go into a storage facility type station that leads directly into the side of the prison

[wispy flicker]

player is

there

it exists

[wispy flicker]

just close off every fog with sodium extras mod.

[limber swan]

an anomaly that we cannot explain but we know they are weird

[wispy flicker]

I mean it would ruin the atmosphere

[regal spire]

I just think it’s really funny that a civilian train is also supposedly used to transport people (maybe even prisoners) to the wastelands

[limber swan]

apparently there are rail lines in Corkus now too

I'm pretty sure

no clue what an electromagic train would look like though

[hybrid gazelle]

Dungeon rework for 2.3 please,,,

Like my baseless prediction rn

[regal spire]

2.3: Dungeons and Deraj

[wispy flicker]

2.3 will be assasin update

[hybrid gazelle]

Is they going to updare the dungeon system but not update every single dungeon

[wispy flicker]

assasin will be the meta

in 2.3

[regal spire]

There is a not 0% chance Charon does not change

[hybrid gazelle]

It just gonna to be some dungeon getting rework for the new system

Yeah I don’t think underworld getting chanfe

Maybe later

[wispy flicker]

just update corrupted dungeons

and add new ones

[regal spire]

Charon needed a rework more than LS, in hindsight

[wispy flicker]

should be easier then fixing lutho quests

[regal spire]

The main problem with LS anyways was lore

[hybrid gazelle]

But I thinking that ds and ip will get updare to test out the new dungeon system

Because we already pass the point of tjose dungeon with the story rework

And tjose 2 dungeons are early game that probably be simple to rework

Compare to the rest

[regal spire]

The fact that DS and IP got a boss rework, and that’s it

[hybrid gazelle]

And deraj prison would be entirely new dungeon that build with new system in mind

[regal spire]

Charon just bugged for 1.5 years

[hybrid gazelle]

But idk depend the amount of content of 2.3 but this is just my prediction

Forgery idk how they gonna update it

[regal spire]

Idt I can go another dungeon related change update where UC stays the way it is rn, or SST still has Hashr

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like forgery would be whwre all the work go into

I really want dungeon rewrok because it gojng to updare end game content

Cause rn frum has no dungeon

And dungeon system is pretty outfated

[regal spire]

If they do a dungeon system update, it means I can do another dungeon items only challenge run

[hybrid gazelle]

Updating dungeon would at least add some variety to end game than just raid and lootrun

[regal spire]

Grinding EO for tools would be more fun

[hybrid gazelle]

I think core part of the dungeon will stay but idk

I still think having dungeon as exploration map with challenges in order to progress would be nice and keep the whole simplicity

[golden flicker]

bro

i feel sad for sui bro

i want to give her a hug

gotta say though, i like her sense of urgency despite the absolute tragedy going on rn

another tragedy is that i need to do world events again for a bit more xp before doing the other lvl 116 quest 🫠

[low ether]

Girlie needs a hug if she's fine with hugs, eesh

[marble lantern]

there are many people who need hugs in wynncraft

[zenith coral]

you guys think sui could 'loose herself' in her powers egodeathing into an elemental being? the whole natural manaweaver thing seems like unexplored territory and i am skeptical of her power cuz it seems to strong with no real drawback

[whole river]

I don’t think she has the potential to reach the heights of the strongest ngl.

Bob is just that different

[whole river]

Bring back old Charon just refined ngl

If they’re going to go with dungeons being more narrative based they might as well make the bosses more unique again

[zenith coral]

she wont be the next bob indeed (jjk brainrot)

[golden flicker]

i just want sui to remain as sui 😭

genuinely cannot handle losing another character to a bleak fate

[zenith coral]

atp im just stuck in the mindset that the rex and zhiraok death scene wasnt that good and was overdone (and not killing rex off cuz they didnt wanna kill off an interesting character made me wary) so i am just mentally awaiting an apology angst death. no, you dont get to make a new character for the purpose of killing them off thats a cop-out

[abstract snow]

yeah i didn’t love it either

realistically tasim could have cut rex’s arm off and not kill her and basically nothing would change except the nasin charm (which i don’t think should be a thing anyway lol) would still be charged

[low ether]

With Rex it could have been just her arm getting sliced off--fuck I got sniped

[abstract snow]

her “dying” and zhiraok “dying” does basically nothing at the end of the day except being a fake out

[low ether]

Zhi's third death though, I kinda do...sorta understand? Considering he overworked the fuck out of himself again, and it probably wasn't the first time he's worked himself to death post-blessing

[abstract snow]

i mean kinda but doesnt he have a revival blessing anyway

[low ether]

Though unless Soosu was able to get a leash on him, he went back to it after he took Rex to a medic

I dooont think the blessing is revival

[abstract snow]

self healing maybe

[low ether]

Doubt, it's more linked to some type of time manipulation
or just manipulation of something since he moves so damn quickly

[abstract snow]

possibly yeah

[low ether]

Which pairs uncomfortably well with how he feels like he has to constantly be on the move, if memory serves

need to check those diary entries again...

[zenith coral]

i am fine with his death cuz his name literally foreshadows it frame 1

[low ether]

That only works if you know Japanese

[zenith coral]

i just respect the foreshadowing the minute he is introduced

[low ether]

Honestly fair, not gonna deny that after learning that bit of trivia

[zenith coral]

so yes i am looking forward to the death of a major character that is well-established (two doesnt count devs)

[low ether]

But yeah the charms probably on him as a result of overworking the breaks out of himself
repeatedly

[zenith coral]

i feel like i am owed a death

[low ether]

Revival from combat is a secondary

[low ether]

Only question is who will be the one that falls, out of the characters that have been fleshed out

..suppose thats part of the fun tho

[zenith coral]

one of the steelworks brothers, yusanu or sui would be my bet

tasim is flag-free till dern happens

[low ether]

So at least three, cause im not sure they'd kill off Yuman not saying they wont, just that the chances are lower with him

[azure tangle]

one of Zeph and Yuman are dead men walking

[zenith coral]

[wintry sky]

Kinda weird idea but I think some archetypes of classes can be traces to locations

Paladin - realm of light
Battlemonk - air temple and ravine area
Fallen - Silent Expanse

What would be other examples of that you think?

Like in a head canon way the character learns or masters the archetype in that area

[azure tangle]

Riftwalker feels Bantisu coded too

Lightbender is obvious

Trapper feels Dernal Jungle

[wintry sky]

Would acolyte be troms?

Seeing that the other shaman managed living sacrifices your player learns the value of blood but uses his own

[zenith coral]

riftwalker is more se than anything

fallen in se doesnt make any sense

i feel like acrobat is bantisu

[low ether]

Fallen has affinity for corruption, so at least realm of war adjascent

[wintry sky]

One of the abilities mentions bak’al and it fits the theme

[zenith coral]

bak'al isnt a darkness person he is a corruption person

[wintry sky]

I would imagine after going through se the player gets corrupted by the horrors and hunters calling

[low ether]

Also Anathema recognizing when youre a Fallen

[zenith coral]

that wouldnt induce corruption in any way tho

[wintry sky]

Would give explanation to why you can kill easily in fruma

[zenith coral]

frankly fallen could easily be headcanoned as 'controlled zombie virus'

it isnt like that but basically you get infected and can control it without going mad

in controlled bursts ofc

[low ether]

Getting a crunchy screenshot, hang on

[zenith coral]

theres no corruption in se

[wintry sky]

It doesnt have to match

Just thematically

[zenith coral]

well thematically fallen would be more like the corruption portal

[wintry sky]

I dont think you go there in any quest?

[low ether]

She calls what a Fallen has 'mere embers'

[zenith coral]

i dont mean inside the portal

that would just be suicide

[wintry sky]

Yeah but were trying to headcanon archetype changes to the story

Hence why the trauma from se causes you to become fallen

[low ether]

So it's likely a warrior that got a wee bit cooked by said corruption, just not even close to the extent that Bak'al had to deal with

But theyre at least able to control it
Mostly anyway

[zenith coral]

i think riftwalker still fits into se more, theres literal rifts right there in se and your black hole literally has multiple eyes poking out

[zenith coral]

the names of some of fallens nodes beg to differ

"uncontainable corruption", "beyond salvation" etc

[low ether]

💀 Before hitting those nodes then

[zenith coral]

even after were fine

[wintry sky]

I dont play assassin but would shadestepper fit almuj?

[zenith coral]

feels like a lore inconsistency but what do i know

[zenith coral]

shadestepper is more a generic thing so you can hc it pretty much anywhere

fallen riftwalker and lightbender feel explicitly very "influency"

[wintry sky]

Oh ridtwalker is a mage archetype my bad 🙃

[zenith coral]

mage having 2 archetypes drawing from the realm of influence bodes well for their sanity and free will

[wintry sky]

Then where would arcanist fit?

[low ether]

Something something just an empty vessel to be controlled //speaking out of my ass

[wintry sky]

Or the source of the power they are tapping into

[zenith coral]

the "normal" mage stuff

[wintry sky]

Order of the grook

[zenith coral]

but if we ever have a show with the mc having a defined personality the mage could very easily end up as an abomination and have to be put down in their epilogue

this is also what is balancing riftwalker (i heard its really stronk rn); a guaranteed bad ending

[wintry sky]

Maybe the queen had a point about the cursed lol

[zenith coral]

the problem with stuff like that is we only learn basic magic lore in fruma which is insane

all this stuff about talents affinitys and the weave should have been lvl20 stuff lol

[wintry sky]

Mc is built diff

Learned magic from vibes and managed to reclaim rol, fix wars and fend of beasts

All in less than a year

Lari had a valid crashout

[zenith coral]

actually canonically the storyline takes as long as you need to complete it. therefore in a speedrun case all of wynncraft canonically could take place in a day

[wintry sky]

That would be funny

[zenith coral]

its canon. its in the lore

[wintry sky]

Also whats the origin of the mc?

[low ether]

aaand thats another one

[wintry sky]

Iirc in recover the past it was said that the memories didnt exist

[low ether]

<@&268142859327242242> Got another one

[zenith coral]

again?

[low ether]

right as i send enter fml

[wintry sky]

Hence ur like an anomaly?

[zenith coral]

we were birthed by tasim in the cart

[wintry sky]

… oh god no

[zenith coral]

canon lore.

[low ether]

oh i hate it

[wintry sky]

But does that mean there another unknown force that got us in an area that would be least conspicuous

Would explain why mc is built diff

[zenith coral]

wdym

[wintry sky]

If there are no memories to recover

Player didnt exist in fruma

So how did u end up in the cart

[zenith coral]

yeah we dont have much canon lore but we do seem to have connections to the yellow resistance guys from fruma

they invented the class system apparentley

which is prolly a MASSIVELEY IMPORTANT clue

[wintry sky]

Bob must be a wanted criminal to them

[zenith coral]

one of my hc was that (based on the final moments of the yellow guys where they curse anathema and my jjk like) we were a literal and physical manifestation of a curse to kill anathema that got caught and whose memories got erased (the erasure process was harder cuz they were basically erasing the fundamental reason the curse exists [knowledge of the queen]) so now the player is left with all this destructive impulse but no outlet whatsoever. cue our general assholery and thuggishness in quests and otherwise

[wintry sky]

I can see that

The mc is very prone to violence

Although mc is only sometimes an asshole

[zenith coral]

i mean in actions

a number of caves we raid are probably not something we should raid

also the citizen damage test thing

[wintry sky]

But on the other hand you stop generational wars and create peace

Help ppl solve their day to day problems

While also robbing banks

[zenith coral]

i think we just help anyone who asks

cant sit still

[wintry sky]

What if someone really evil asked

[zenith coral]

see worid

but no we dont have such an example i think

or maybe we do idk

[wintry sky]

Nah hes just…. Sick

[wintry sky]

Although in wynnexcavation you dont fully cooperate

I think the warrior logs from the soundtracks fit best

Mc is just a simpleton with too much power

Try to do good but get tricked or resort to violence cause you dont fully get the task

[hushed zinc]

it's pretty ambiguous but likely something relating to the void considering the one anathema dialogue about her seeing something familar buried by emptiness and nothing where there should be something?

[zenith coral]

honestly at this point even if we disregard my joke theory about tasim birthing us in the cart the chances we popped into existence in the cart or a short while before and our 'benefactors' (see anathema dialogue, someone helped hide our hidden stuff) integrated us by integrating false memories are fairly high

or maybe tasim had a miscarriage and something breathed new life into the corpse and that void is the original us

[hushed zinc]

yeah the player kinda just popped in and someone hid whatever that familar spark but also got us into the recruit program probably?

or atleast made it look like we were

[wintry sky]

I dont think you even need false memories

[zenith coral]

yeah this would be the most likeley explanation if the yellow rebels didnt exist

[wintry sky]

If you would be popped into existence the gates of ragni are perfect

[zenith coral]

cuz the class system is a big deal lore-wise apparentley

[wintry sky]

Fruman soldiers are exiles so no one cares about them and you dont remember anything

[wintry sky]

Oh

[zenith coral]

so yeah we prolly didnt pop into existence there

[wintry sky]

Probably in the transport train then

[zenith coral]

we just gotta fit in why we have access to such power that we really shouldnt have

[wintry sky]

Smuggled out of the province

Yeah why do fruman recruits have classes

[zenith coral]

they dont

we do

[wintry sky]

Tasim and aledar do?

[zenith coral]

more on that in that one fruma discovery in auburn

no they dont

thats the thing

[wintry sky]

Havent done any discoveries in fruma so idk

[wintry sky]

Huh

[zenith coral]

atleast not like us

[wintry sky]

Dont they also enter with a weapon in hand

Even in a journey home they had class weapons when you would hide from them

[zenith coral]

anyways the class system appears to be a huge deal and we are directed by yellow rebel people who dont speak to the discovery

who seem unnaturally friendly given everyone else mistakes us for a guard

[wintry sky]

Hmm

[zenith coral]

like this is probably a huge deal

[wintry sky]

I guess we have to wait for fruma 2

[zenith coral]

and while it is possible (maybe probable) that the queen then just made this knowledge known for recruits specifically (given that soldiers in fruma dont use it) our interactions with the yellow guys should be studied

the whole brainwash process should shed light on this

[wintry sky]

Yeah it doesnt make sense how youre able to just shoot magic from a stick when you come from a province where magic is illegal

[mellow bone]

Guardian Of The Forest shouldnt have stopped me from killing Lari

I could have ended this all

[zenith coral]

the guardian of the forest is a simp for orphion

[wintry sky]

Are you strong enough to do that

[zenith coral]

so a furry

[wintry sky]

Didnt lari spend hundreds of years for his attention too

[zenith coral]

it turns out orphion is a highly sought after guy who everyone fawns over

[wintry sky]

And you become his pulse with no effort on your part

[mellow bone]

Yes it was like 30 seconds and she had 70K hp left

My Uppercut + warscream can end all this f

[hushed zinc]

I mean if you take these words from the secret discovery "concept coincidentally rediscovered for the War beyond Fruma's walls" it's kinda just like the class system was something rebels did and then it vanished for a bit and then it came back for dealing with the corruption? So there is no problem with the player having a class, yeah?

like you pop into existence, become a recruit with them none the wiser of the hidden spark due to whatever/whoever made you pop into existence

[zenith coral]

i meant our interaction with them

they just direct you into their secret hideout

then they vanish

[hushed zinc]

we have a class and that's familar to them so they try to have us learn more about them? makes sense to me

like their whole class thing was rediscovered which meant it was undiscovered for a time, so they see us with it and we appear as one of their own to that past rebel due to it

[cinder cedar]

ages of progress and work, just to create us

not that they did

but it is what we are

[hushed zinc]

200AP is when the Queen becomes Monarch and starts RA as a timing, the revolt happens in 200 RA so 400 AP, it has been 600+ years since the revolution seen in remains of the cursed, I think it's completely understandable to lose and regain the class sytem in that time and if you're something familiar to them it makes sense for whatever rebel's ghost/spirit to try and point towards their history

it still makes sense to have something/someone (probably related to the void? who knows) have you pop into Fruma as your existence, you become a recruit which is why you get a class, Fruma recruit program wipes the memories of which you didn't really even have any in the first place, thrown together with Aledar and Tasim and the rest is history

[cinder cedar]

what if salted is the realm beast of plane of influence aka wynn world?

because we have cow churches in all providences and silverbull

[whole river]

It makes perfect sense though

the recruits were never meant to get their memories back so for all they know they just had magic in Fruma and then hopefully they never dig deeper

[slender copper]

Pardon but, what do you mean our origin isn't from Fruma?

[frozen turtle]

i mean there is a theory that the player isnt actually from Fruma

i thin kthe evidence is just the lack of player-connection to Fruma, Recover the Past & the Caravan Driver/3 recruits coming together

[zenith coral]

yeah we were birthed by tasim on the train to the border

[frozen turtle]

our parents are aledar and tasim yeah

[zenith coral]

and tasim had a miscarriage, and we died. our sponsor then brought us back, and the void is our dead self

[full bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447330404288827502/1456027659325804584/togif-7.gif

[zenith coral]

https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-cat-catmeme-funnycats-v6HmjWFF80ByC2JcRl

[slender copper]

I did find it interesting that all of the recruits we come across come in pairs of two compared to us that was shipped in threes.

[slender copper]

"our sponsor" wdym 😭

[paper wyvern]

counterpoint "...something's prickling at the back of your mind. Weren't you asleep like this when you first arrived, too?" from a jounrey home

and they obviously arent going to go into what the player was doing in fruma before getting sent away cause that should be up to however you want to interpret it

[slender copper]

Yeah, our wynn character is basically summed up by the quote "a character that is up to the player's interpretation however is seperate from the player"

So they are from Fruma, you are just allowed to decide what they were doing.

[slim belfry]

homeless player vs rich player

[slender copper]

...What does this mean? Before Wynn or after lol.

[slim belfry]

I meant before

[wintry sky]

I mean thats the standard interpretation but why would they go out of their way in recover the past and say that the memories dont exist. Feels like they are trying to say that there is something more

This is why i think there is more to the players origin than just a recruit

Personally i imagine the player is sent to restore balance to the world

[exotic bough]

fandom wiki detected, use the official wiki at wynncraft.wiki.gg instead and download the indiewikibuddy extension to avoid fandom links in the future

[stray karma]

There's also the moments where it's implied we have no soul/there's a problem with ours
And Two being surprised we're doing fine despite that

[wintry sky]

How the hell did u find that from a cropped screenshot

[exotic bough]

the font

[paper wyvern]

its outdated

[wintry sky]

Bruh

I just used the first url

[paper wyvern]

the wording is slightly different (same meaning though)

[wintry sky]

Anyways

To add to my point

Of all the provinces the ragni fruma gate is the most perfect area to sneak in and give opportunity to restore balance

Cause no one will notice if there is an additional recruit on the ragni side since they just accept whoever comes and from the fruman side they dont care

And being a soldier gives a lore wise justification to go around fixing stuff and fighting the corruption

[wintry sky]

Also while not canon, the ost logs also feature similar language

[slim belfry]

I think this is more about the music no longer being used anymore

[wintry sky]

That makes much more sense

[slender copper]

I do agree with you that player lore is going to be explored more in the future (insert Salted interview here), but I do think that what you're thinking of may override the interpretation thing of the <character>. Like with the player being sent to do something... wouldn't that suggest a more complex backstory which won't really go around interpretation?

[hybrid gazelle]

Ngl I hope every mount got their own quest

Would be nice world building and stuff

[slender copper]

Dude I read this as variant and I was like "that's going to be soo time consuming".

But yeah I 100% agree with you, funnily enough I thought we were going to do like a HTTYD scenario with the wyverns, but nah... we just buy them.

[drifting aurora]

it probably will happen at some point in the future

[golden flicker]

the player is the harbinger of war /j

[frozen turtle]

its not a very sound theory yeah. A large part of it is likely Writers just want interoperation by the player. though i guess you could say the player actually not being from fruma is an interoperation itself

So using the lack of history of the player as evidence the player didnt exist, is a bit counterinuitive

However saying that the memories "didnt exist" by Dr Picard + the fact that in all other recruits they came into Wynn as pairs, however we came as a Trio

I do not know what they are planning, if they wanted to have Player be from Fruma but have no other lore, in Recover the Past could've they of made the prison/mind erasing part be from our memory instead of Tasim?

[hybrid gazelle]

Stable story really need to be updare cause while mount tutorial exist

It just not very detailed and very surface level

[slim belfry]

stable story implying that mounts can fight

[regal spire]

This is the single greatest response to anything in this channel

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the story is okay it just one of those quest

Thst made back in those day

Coukd be better but it okay as what it is

But definitely can be bettr with modern quest writing

The thing is that while stable story is okay I still feel like the quest could be use for world building to the world

Instead of

Whatever these cow people are

Cause in more modern quest writing like fruma quest for example

Even side quests actually go out of its way to explore and expand the region or even the world that the quest is in

So I want to see that mentality in future remake quest

[regal spire]

Stable story seems to really like maintaining the Woc aspect of itself, and idk if any of it will ever truly be narratively important or not, considering how much of a joke stable story is intended to be

[hybrid gazelle]

I will be real I just do not think woc should be introduce that early in the story

Especially when most of them are just joke

Just not a fan of how they implement in the story

Because it feel like they just relic of the past that they feel obligated to be included in

Like yeah as a joke it fine but like

You telling me people will fucking remember drale from tunnel trouble to cowfusion

But like thst fine

But not stable story I just

Are they even woc?

Drale don’t even mention them or anything

They just crazy cow people

[golden flicker]

everything just happening in the wynn province 😭

[regal spire]

Everything that has to do with the Woc’s is so fucking weird

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that the point theu jsut meant to be a joke

[regal spire]

Supposedly, the big cow dudes like Stable Story’s dudes, and Durum’s Boss altar are all wocs

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess??? I just

Feel like there otjer intresting you can focus on in the quest

Than

Funny cow people

Especially for stable story

[regal spire]

Ternaves never stood out as a place where Woc’s would even exist, anyways

[signal bough]

yeah its an unserious quest isnt it

[hybrid gazelle]

Also love how player just

Sabotage a ranch in Ragni

And this Apparently just

Has no consequence

[golden flicker]

i mean

the player at the time was young and dumb

[regal spire]

Katoa actively getting fucked by both a grook, and us

[golden flicker]

LOL

that's what ill chalk things up as

[regal spire]

This poor ranch. Nothing going its way

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think Wynn give a shit if you are young and dumb because that ration loss for soldiers at the front

[golden flicker]

ahh, they'll be missing a couple gallons of milk

[split night]

honestly so glad that wynn doesn't have an actual escort quest, the fetch quests in here is already hell enough

[golden flicker]

no biggie

[hybrid gazelle]

Like what if there is platoon in need of thst ration

[golden flicker]

this

[regal spire]

Technically, it was a slaughter house

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it is

[regal spire]

Those were not milking cows

[golden flicker]

oh

well

[split night]

escort quest with Temple of Legend type gameplay:

[golden flicker]

doing peta a service /j

[regal spire]

Well, they WERE milking cows, but not milking cows

[signal bough]

maybe the player has an alibi? they were opening up the tunnel

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude wtf ranch gonna do when they did not met their ration delivery quota

[regal spire]

Also, 2 years later, and that stupid fucking raft still goes straight into the coast

[golden flicker]

ngl i unironically miss the old setup where you just bring a bunch of quest items and then

boom

done

you just kill CoW

[golden flicker]

LOL yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah try to explain the admiral how freeing cows and deprive Ragni army of their ration has to do with clearing up tunnel

Like just try

[golden flicker]

they'll never know

what happened in the tunnel stays in the tunnel

[hybrid gazelle]

I think he would love to fucking hear your story about alien cow people

[golden flicker]

tunnel vision, you could say

[signal bough]

yeah exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

There literally farmer seeing our face

[split night]

we have like, equal amount of good deeds to the amount of problematic shits we did that is a headache to the army or atleast admiral aegis

xD

[golden flicker]

exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

This is early in the story so no

[signal bough]

farmer says a recruit stole his cows and broke his golem, well what time? can't have been this one cause he was helping with the tunnel project at the time...

[golden flicker]

also there are more things to worry about than a couple of cows tbh 😭

[regal spire]

It’s so funny to me that they actively went out of their way to update the location, but going through with said effort just ended up making the cutscene look stupid

[golden flicker]

Woc magic

[split night]

we commit breaking and entering, stole a few cows, destroy a guy life-saving type of money golem

[golden flicker]

they can phase through matter

[regal spire]

Like, the raft just pushes out to sea, but gets stopped by a huge pile of sand

[split night]

in just a single quest

xD

[hybrid gazelle]

Logistic is pretty important in land filled with war

[signal bough]

and then it CONTINUES ONWARDS!!!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Loss of daily ration meant the soldiers at the front got no food

[regal spire]

It just rolls on the fucking land

Seems Drale had time to implement wheels!

[golden flicker]

does anyone remember the 2014 halloween masqurade quest

[hybrid gazelle]

And even more so since now the ranch have loss all of their cows

[regal spire]

We all do

[golden flicker]

those were the days

[regal spire]

We all remember what was taken from me specifically

[hybrid gazelle]

It would take more time to repopulate and replace all the missing cows

[golden flicker]

what was taken from you

[regal spire]

They could’ve just made it a cave 😔

[golden flicker]

lmfao

[hybrid gazelle]

And even more so that ranch would be unable to produce milk and beef for a long time

[regal spire]

This quest was MINE

MY quest

[golden flicker]

OH?

[regal spire]

Same with Craftsmas

[hybrid gazelle]

This would mean more ration loss for the soldiers that likely go for months

[golden flicker]

DAAAAMNNNN

[regal spire]

Not like that

No, I just liked them

[golden flicker]

oh I see 😂

[split night]

the cow ranch should be in detlas or at least near Ragni too
so like
it suprised me that no higher ups talk about it to us or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

Whcih is really fucking awful if you are army fighting undead apocalypse in which resource is hard to come by

[golden flicker]

but yeah, those were silly quests

don't you get a mask at the end of it?

[regal spire]

You do

[hybrid gazelle]

Do you honestly think area around Detlas is capable of growing food

[split night]

also like

[golden flicker]

i wonder if that would sell for a lot as a collector's item

lmfao

[split night]

who keep their cow in a basement??

[hybrid gazelle]

Also

[signal bough]

they do, somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

Apple farm is corrupted

The closet thing is that sheep fence

Thst exist near detlas

[signal bough]

there's a couple grain fields

[split night]

so the cow ranch should be very near Ragni

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think their production can match Ragni

[split night]

hm

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it comfirm to be kotoa ranch

So yeah

[split night]

Ragni fort have like a field of wheat, judging the amount of cows in that ranch

i can say that it should be close

[hybrid gazelle]

Ragni likely responsible for majority of food production in Wynn

Also cow in basement coukd make sense for Wynn province

To prevent cow from being attack by undead

[split night]

I find it funny that details like this is dismissable for early CT making Wynn quest without thinking the potential problem and the bigger picture

[hybrid gazelle]

Also

[split night]

xD

[hybrid gazelle]

Do you guys ever think of implication

Of how hell butchery is in Wynn

[split night]

yeah

[signal bough]

dwarf fortress haunted biome problem

[split night]

since corruption take over the dead

[hybrid gazelle]

You can only kill animals in certain location and yoh need to properly dispose the corpse

[signal bough]

butcher the dromedary
its guts begin moving if left alone too long

[split night]

Butchery have to be like, in some place extremely corruption-free to do it

[hybrid gazelle]

Butchery in Wynn probably dangerous job

[split night]

i mean i think if it pays i would do it

it's like cutting meat and avoid a zombie mushroom

that can reanimate almost any living matter

is height an issue for corruption?

i don't see corruption appear much often in very elevated lands

[hybrid gazelle]

Every new lore about Wynn is making sure how horrible that place is

[signal bough]

there's a big incursion in southern rymek

[split night]

huh

so corruption do reach very high places

[hybrid gazelle]

And Therr some mf out there that genuinely believe Wynn is not that horrible place to live

[split night]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

The fruma arg in question

[split night]

You'll get drafted before you learn to speak

why would anyone want to live in Wynn

or gavel by extension

Fruma is like a paradise compare to these two

[lavish knot]

Wynn is in a constant state of danger

So you think a lot of people do indoor gardening for food because of corruption concerns?

[split night]

corruption behave like a mushroom

[dry drift]

it’s because i eat whatever is outside

im hungry sorry

[split night]

with the red dirt grass thing look like red mycelium

i don't think hiding the plant in would do anything much

xd

[slim belfry]

oh yeah corruption is kinda like a fungus

[signal bough]

just live in Troms? smh