📚lore_discussion

[split night]

someone discovered doom yuri today

an angel grew a new wing

[limber swan]

dont people know that people get exiled to wynn?

[split night]

no 😭

[solid ibex]

so many doom couples in wynncraft 🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

Epilogue for 2.2.1 idk

[split night]

why do you think they keep it a secret

[hybrid gazelle]

Surely

We don’t need to wait for major update for fruma epliogue

Surely

[solid ibex]

have you guys met the recruiter guy yet

in ragni

[limber swan]

there is literally dialogue where Rex says her brother got sent to Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I seen him

[solid ibex]

the recruiter from the strong survive

yea its a cool detail

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they said they gonna do that

But also habe some plan

[split night]

intels from the leaves??
you know that the propaganda also state that Wynn is a barren wasteland right

[hybrid gazelle]

Have some other plan

Idk wtf it gonna be

[limber swan]

yeah I know that

[split night]

it would be weird to have that be public information and have the public not doing anything about it

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait

What public info?

[split night]

that's like public execution but you don't know when it is your turn

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh the Wynn thing

[split night]

yeah the recruiter program thing

[hybrid gazelle]

What about it

[split night]

the guy you blocked ask whether or not if frumanese know about it

[hybrid gazelle]

That barely narrow anyone down

But sure

[split night]

damn you have a huge shield

xd

[limber swan]

wait I just realized they changed the dialogue

from beta

oh my god

[hybrid gazelle]

According to Zeph who believe in the propaganda

It said that the crown make everyone believe the outside world is dead

[split night]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

I think you also can tell Rurie you are from Wynn

But idk what the dialogue is for that reply

[solid ibex]

he says we are an interesting spy

for roughworks, makes sense

apparently

auburn was less believable to him

[low ether]

Either youre a veeeeeeerrry clever spy, orrrr

Regarding the wynn reply

It's funny since all the replies aren't incorrect by technicalities

Deadass woke up not even 10 minutes ago dont mind me

[split night]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777590827237113906/1096569083547357285/guh_-_Copy_-_Copy.gif

[hybrid gazelle]

Like

God I hope 2.2.1 is about epilogue

[young dock]

Sui opens up a bakery

[hybrid gazelle]

2.2.2 is more stuff on ascension

[solid ibex]

what are the...

implications here

[hybrid gazelle]

She open up bakery

[young dock]

she makes bread for those in auburn

gives back to the community

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay but fr things looking bleak for sui

[low ether]

Can also be therapeutic!!

[solid ibex]

let the roughworks guys do that sht

had an entire quest stealing bread

[young dock]

sui drains the bog and makes it into a wynnmart

[low ether]

Okay but what if it's a type of bread the roughworks residents don't normally make

[split night]

when am i getting Freedom ascension

everyone is trapped in a prison while im the free one

i want more

[young dock]

Freedom with the detainment ID 🤔

[solid ibex]

okay im suddenly wanting to eat bread

fucking hell its 2 am i dont wanna be hungry and be a fuckin chud

[low ether]

Whoops! but also felt on starting to want some

[split night]

that sounds so fitting but what does it do

[hybrid gazelle]

Fable ascension or some shit

I would love fable ascension

As more affordable option for nob mythic ascension

[solid ibex]

Sui inventing cinnamon roll or smth

lmfao

[young dock]

I really like Triyaka ngl

what a fun spear

[hybrid gazelle]

Actually wait

Usually tjis small update come with archetype rework

What archetype in need of reworking

[solid ibex]

is ritualist smth

to be reworked on

[split night]

ritualist definitely
give bolt a bit of dmg while we're here 🥺

but yeah, ritualist being consistently the least played archetype in raid throughout updates is funny

[golden flicker]

unironically wished that if you've done "The Missing Piece" beforehand

you'd get different dialogue choices

[low ether]

SAME SAME SAME AAAAA

At least give her
...either piece of mind or break her heart, either or, but NO

[golden flicker]

"knowing she's still alive-"

SHE'S DEAD!!! 🗣️

[vale sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-hanging-peter-peter-griffin-peter-suicide-gif-8083915497740974021

missing piece experience

[low ether]

And thats why im saying, piece of mind or break her heart, cause theres no shot the player would outright tell her 100% of the time

[unique jungle]

there aint even a noose bro is just floating

[vale sonnet]

btw on the wiki tutorial the quest has 54 stages

[low ether]

Wasn't AHC the longest prior to that or not

[vale sonnet]

no idea tbh

[low ether]

Well missing piece beats the longest quest into the ground, which is
interesting. Can be bad, but it's interesting to me

[golden flicker]

ngl it didn't feel that long

[low ether]

But nooope, cant bring it up so you just sit there as Syndra believes her lover to be alive like

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

thats the wrong gif but its the only one that loaded in time

[golden flicker]

i honestly found the quest with the boat minigame feeling longer 😭

[low ether]

As far as Im aware it's because each update counts as a stage, and the updates within the bread factory tend to be quick ones

[young dock]

into the pipes was awesome, accidently started it without realizing it

[signal bough]

Syndra arriving in the afterlife to find Elise waiting for her and saying that someone who looked exactly like the Player got her some bread and took her to the old lookout be like:

[low ether]

I sucked ass at driving the boat if thats the boat one Even when I slowly turned i still hit corners

[signal bough]

No that’s not the boat one

[low ether]

why must you hurt me in this way

wait which quest is it then, I forgor

[signal bough]

And then Mora shows up

[golden flicker]

i didnt use* the rocket at all LOL

the grapple hook was pretty damn good

[vale sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/icicle-break-the-ice-f-winter-cracking-the-ice-jukin-video-gif-14245016

[low ether]

Think I only used the rocket once, and it was when I noticed a straight line, otherwise hell no I didnt use it

[vale sonnet]

Gikyo spoilers

[low ether]

but yeah which quest is into the pipes again--

[signal bough]

We see Takan in Beyond the Grave and he’s from a lvl 30 quest so I guess processing can take some time

At least after that Syndra would not see anyone she knows, although I suppose we don’t know where Jiro is or when he died

[low ether]

Fucker probably went into hiding after the infiltration was done

[signal bough]

No it was a changeling

We do not know what happened to OG Jiro

And it’s not as if a changeling needs to eat the original person to copy them

[low ether]

Hence why I said after the infiltration, cause he fookin dead

And the only thing here? lol no thats not him

[signal bough]

I don’t think a character has ever died off screen like that before

[low ether]

Least the common consensus is that this isnt actually Jiro anymore

[signal bough]

Yes

But there was a Jiro originally

It’s likely that he’s dead but it’s not certain

I would expect further content

A SD or possibly him still being alive in Deraj

[formal bridge]

Someone's pointed it out before but at one point Jiro's eye color in portraits changes color after he gets swapped

I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up again though

Jiro wasn't THAT significaint

[light zealot]

I can't wait for Deraj. Hearing everyone hyping it up across Fruma really makes me want to fight through it

I wonder how they will do it, actually

[low ether]

Which is true! plus the hair over the eye's a lil bit effed at the bottom, too
Surprisingly subtle, though with the similar colors and whatnot it's easy to not catch it

[light zealot]

It being a dungeon would be very cool

[low ether]

if im being honest I just want more interactions with characters
I am FIENDING for interactions rn after Apotheosis/WTP

[hybrid gazelle]

It would be a shame if deraj prison is not a dungeon

Also deraj prison not being a dungeon would make finding a place that could be a dungeon in fruma rhat much harder

Which is why I believe in that wasteland updare will come with dungeon system rework

[young dock]

deraj raid

souped up timelost sanc

[icy juniper]

IS SEIGFRIED JUST PUNXSUTAWNEY PHIL

[zenith coral]

deraj settlement

rymek 2.0

you get to intern at orus

[young dock]

the entire quest is just processing papers for our 8 hour shift at orus

[regal spire]

I’m praying for a dungeon rework within this year/early next year. Ever since 2.0 had teased the idea of dungeon challenges, I’ve been wanting to experience it so bad, or at least experience anything new/variable with dungeons at all

[vale sonnet]

Spoilers bro

[golden flicker]

Bruh...

[vale sonnet]

☺️

[vale sonnet]

Do The missing piece next

Peak quest

[golden flicker]

i already did it before

lol

[golden flicker]

😔

[vale sonnet]

Lol i replied to that

[golden flicker]

forgotten that you've already replied to it 😂

[vale sonnet]

W timing

Queen got dxp

[golden flicker]

son lmao

[vale sonnet]

for the kill

[raw badge]

Ngl I am curious about Deraj Prison - especially with how it's called "Gravity's Monolith", which almost feels like it could be a sort of prison that could likely have an aura or something that disables magic? I could be wrong

Or maybe the prisoners are just trapped in a sort of stasis with gravity as they would be stuck to a wall or floor?

The magic thing might be a bit weird as it could likely be a bit extreme for Wynncraft, but the trapping of prisoners might make a bit more sense imo?

[signal bough]

It's gonna be Nova Prospekt from HL2

[paper wyvern]

Magic disabling is a special cell made specifically for the palace

although there might be mroe there

[low ether]

Could be Oru's blessing also having an effect on the place, if memory serves from what little I can recall, dialogue wise

'm fuckin smooth, of course it's in True Colours that it was first alluded to
ill get the text in a bit, fuckin I the one that has to check things despite being the furthest away

[zenith coral]

orus blessing is him being allowed a interface that lets him interact with deraj like a prison sim of your choosing. he is very bored

[low ether]

As far as we can tell. We don't have a single record of a successful escape attempt. Supposedly, the Warden's blessing keeps the prisoners in line.
-Fuhue to Sui
So it could be that physically, they're screwed and cant leave, like a disconnect between mind and body if they even attempt to escape on their own?

[zenith vigil]

i feel like it just makes you fall towards it

so you have to escape vertically

from your perspective

[low ether]

Question now is how strong does the hold have to be to effectively trap you
Rurie doesn't elaborate on that, just says "there is no escaping its pull once it gets a hold of you!"
so is it like

you get a figurative chain on your neck from the jump? or does it have a threshold

Threshold sounds more reasonable imo

[signal bough]

yeah one of the Canopy speculated mind control

[signal bough]

also its important we did finally get a successful escape, I remember the only detail was a lot of manual labor

[low ether]

Mightve been Fuhue, and if its anything outside True Colours im not checking on a phone

[low ether]

Soul-crushing manual labor and Quill did not come out of it unscathed iirc
Though the successful escape being off screen has me gritting my damn teeth

Like
cmon, info, info in the future, I wanna know how that went down

[formal bridge]

If we assume it's a literal thing with gravity's monolith, maybe it's like a achilles and the tortoise thing/infinity from JJK

Say you have a center of the prison, and the outside edge. you move halfway between the points, and then it feels like the next half is the same distance as the previous as you suddenly have more gravity against you. Then you move another half distance, and then the gravity increases more and more. Each half distance becomes harder to cross, and due to being able to infinitely half the distance between the two, it gets infinitely stronger and nobody is ever able to escape

the reason why Oru never left the prison to join in the story might be cause they're subject to it as well

[low ether]

Skill issue on Oru's part /j
Watch it be that they'd rather be a recluse, on their own terms

[paper wyvern]

I mean they have to have us actually go there for wastelands update

[low ether]

gods that better not require playing through with a new char

If it does that would suck
I get it, but it'd suck

[paper wyvern]

it probably wont

although it might have minor dialogue change and than I need to send another char through fruma to see them

[junior thunder]

Is it just me or was corruption the only thing that was actually PROTECTING the world from getting fucked?

[formal bridge]

I mean we don't really know for sure til the future

We mostly have the queen's word to go off of and she isn't exactly unbiased

[junior thunder]

Then why does the shit two show us match up?

[formal bridge]

I mean can we trust two either?

[junior thunder]

||Bro is getting 7k LE from Orphion||

[slim belfry]

I think we can because Two doesn't like the light and dark but also not entirely opposed to letting the player kill anathema

queen herself even said she felt Two shift

but couldnt bring herself to fault her

[regal spire]

I think it’s pretty clear that they’re both just negative influences on the world, regardless of potential bias.

[raw badge]

||That sure is a lot of LE; especially since it would be ~109.375stx||

[summer bluff]

||damn i'd sell out the province for that much too||

[chilly tulip]

With that money you could by one pre-Fruma Labyrinth

[frozen turtle]

Two cannot be trusted. Orphion is the good guy, I mean he's literally light incarnate he's obviously good

[full jackal]

Oh my goodnes #🌎wynncraft is still pissy about the antisemitism fart club thing

[zenith coral]

-the average elf

[woeful plume]

i'm wondering something about the desert empire that preceded almuj

on the wiki, it states that hashr killed his father in 1400BP

but in the secret discovery it references as a source, it's clearly said that hashr killed his father in 688BP?

is this outdated text on the wiki?

[exotic bough]

it is

a new timeline is being worked on with all the dates in years ago, bp/ap, and the fruman calendar

not to mention all the fruma events

[woeful plume]

is it publicly accessible?

the discovery itself also says 688BP though...

[exotic bough]

yeah but its also very wip so its also not meant to be seen by the public yet

[woeful plume]

maybe it's possible that the empire existed from 1400BP until 688BP

[exotic bough]

theres no definite time when the empire started

it ended in 688 bp

[woeful plume]

yeah

frankly i have no clue where the wiki even got "1400BP" from

[exotic bough]

the disc was updated in 2.2

it was 1400 bp

[woeful plume]

ohhhhhhhhh

[exotic bough]

(also if you want to see all the timeline stuff and just a general story summary here is a google doc made by me so its obviously amazing with all the events)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/119UJDgULyjSy-suC8W1w-oibhDvT6uPq4RwxzqBTzjE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.k5ycjjae8l2l

[woeful plume]

okay, thank you, you made it make sense for me lol i'm trying to figure out whether the desert empire's people also came from fruma or not, because it is not officially recognised by the ancient frumans as a colony

considering fruma was named as the homeland of humans, i'm trying to think of a reason why there was an entirely separate desert empire long before frumans colonised wynn

[exotic bough]

also if there are any mods in chat could someone pin this please

[regal walrus]

what caused light and dark to be serpaeetd from the physcical realm

[exotic bough]

🤷

[full bough]

Me i ate them

[regal walrus]

oh ok thanks

[sick quest]

So many of the western gavel SDs r super buggy

[woeful plume]

this is a really good writeup btw, well done

[jovial ember]

Is death even powerfull? Does he rank up there with orphion Saphanis and Anathema or do we just not know enough about him to say

Like is death the realm beast of the realm of death?

This might be dumb questions lol

[regal walrus]

what are psionics

[exotic bough]

nah the realm beasts outclass him

i dont think he can kill necessarily

he just oversees the people who die

[exotic bough]

id imagine people who didnt have latent magic but still had some psychic abilities

theyre mentioned to be treated the same as the cursed during the royal age

[jovial ember]

So hes more of just the supervisor of the death realm rather then being some omni potent being

[exotic bough]

i think so yeah

[regal walrus]

how does magic evern work

what does the weavea nd its strands mean

[jovial ember]

Thats intresting thanks

[exotic bough]

uhhhhhh

ig with most people they need smth to channel it to use magic in the form of mana

sui has latent abilities to use magic as it is in the world (the weave) and doesnt need a focus/weapon

[jovial ember]

Isnt it just some people are able to manipulate those weaves and strands and it just depletes their mana

[exotic bough]

and with the focus or being a manaweaver (ie sui) then the elements around can be manipulated

[jovial ember]

Did the queen ever physically fight off the corruption? If the queen was so fond of the physical plane why didnt she intervine when the portal opened

[uncut cradle]

||The queen opened the portal, she's fighting Dark and Light, not Corruption||

[jovial ember]

||Oh so the portal was opened in order to defend the physical plane?||

[dim plover]

Wdym fight off the corruption

[jovial ember]

Yeah i got the lore messed up in my head

[dim plover]

I guess she started the recruit program?
That wasn't the main goal of starting it but that kinda helped with fighting off the corruption

[jovial ember]

She is the corruption no?

[uncut cradle]

She opened it because she was trapped in the Realm of War and wanted to get out

[uncut cradle]

Yes

[dim plover]

She's the War Beast yeah
She kinda hates it though

[jovial ember]

Yes but her being here was the thing that prevented from either light or dark taking more over

[dim plover]

Was it?

I thought her existing in general was what preventing light and dark from taking over

She said that she threatened total destruction if Orphion or DB tried

But we kinda killed her so we're screwed now probably

[jovial ember]

She did also say that orphion and sephanis made a massive mistake regarding the player if i remember correctly

[regal spire]

Her existence was the implication of controlled destruction. With her gone, her influence just kinda mindlessly flails as it always did, slowly spreading. Darkness/Light will have plenty of time to overpower its potential by then

[whole river]

No the portal opened as a response to the elves

[jovial ember]

mutually assured destruction or controlled destruction

[whole river]

The elves did the funny tree thing which opened the portals again

[dawn otter]

Let’s hope the entire RoL questlines and side stories get retconned

[jovial ember]

Chopping down the tree?

[whole river]

Yeah

It’s essentially their fault Orphion and saphanis returned

and I guess responsible for Fruma in a way

[dawn otter]

Yeah they

Apparently misheard something

And that lead to them opening the portals

[jovial ember]

The elves?

What

[whole river]

Basically Prometheus got visions like dullahan had

[jovial ember]

Indirectly or directly

[whole river]

And he assumed one of his visions was to chop the tree down to open orphions realm

In a way, he was right

[jovial ember]

Yeah yeah i just read about that

Then direcrly after that the portal opened

[whole river]

And to answer an earlier question

She cannot control the corruption in Wynn

she mentions that the war realm, like the theme of the name itself, heeds no one

[dawn otter]

Who, Anathema?

[jovial ember]

She is just the strongest out of all of the annihilations?

[dim plover]

She's not an Annihilation

She's a moth thing

The Annihilations are like these humanoid devils from what we've seen

Or I guess all the devil enemies are humanoid

[whole river]

She’s not one of those they just live there

[jovial ember]

Oh i thought all creatures in there are called annihilations mb

But other then being incredibly strong was there something special seperationnherr from the other entities in the realm of war

[warm flicker]

marius be like my stupid chud son didnt survive the realm of war

[regal spire]

At least my funeral wasn’t boring!

[whole river]

She’s basically like the amalgamation of hatred and corruption in one being, I guess her being a realm beast and the others are just varying power-levels of devils

[jovial ember]

That makes sense thanks for the help understanding the lore more lol

[dawn otter]

Yeah

Can we at least praise the Queen for keeping both of them at bay

For who knows how long

[whole river]

She could’ve done that without the oppression

Would’ve probably given her more fans

[dawn otter]

What if she has to do that

[whole river]

I find it hilarious that she was stopped by you, two gay men and a traumatized orphan

[full bough]

Is tasim really gsy

[whole river]

Yes

[remote river]

very

[formal bridge]

at the very least he likes men

could be bi

[full bough]

Idj i js assumed he is just missin his first og breastie aledar and not gay mabye i am nkt the observer

[dawn otter]

When you say it like that, this actually applies to a lot of Hero’s Journey or whatever other stuff.

[whole river]

I mean tasim doesn’t treat you like he treated aledar and yall are friends

Even pre-tournament

[full bough]

True

[dawn otter]

He was just depressed

Understandable

[ember coyote]

guys how is tasim gay

[full bough]

Idk how mucu aledar and tasim intracted with each other i havent done new qjests yet

[ember coyote]

am i just blind

[full bough]

As in i havent done a playthru in 4? years

[ember coyote]

i dont see it

[formal bridge]

tasim literally asks you to kill him so that he can be with aledar again

also he gets asked to his face if he likes dudes

people can tell lmao

[whole river]

And he blushes and stutters as a response

[ember coyote]

he did?

i don remember that

[full bough]

I remmebred that being a diff char being asked abt boys mabye im misremeberer

[ember coyote]

i do remember when he gets asked if he likes guys

[ember coyote]

yea he was asked that by linton in queens recruit quest i think

[whole river]

by uh linton

[full bough]

Maec sense

[whole river]

It’s been awhile lemme pull it up I could be misremembering

[dawn otter]

Of course Linton would ask

[full bough]

I remmbeted it as linton being asjed if he liekd bboys i am not geniu

[dawn otter]

Dude are you typing with one finger

LMAO

[full bough]

Im pro typer.

Woild never make a typo.

[whole river]

Nvm he goes silent

And then mentions Aledar like right after lmao

[full bough]

My goat is gAY

Ol mabye he is not gay from thst idk

[whole river]

Also the post raid letter is very much written as a love letter ngl

[ember coyote]

oh yea he did ask the player to kill him so he could be with aledar

huh

ig im just blind then

[full bough]

I can see him being gay i suppose

[full bough]

We are blind on gang

[ember coyote]

ahh

i see

but he calls aledar "friend"

[formal bridge]

I mean he's clearly not out of the closet or very comfortable admitting it

[ember coyote]

ig

[formal bridge]

and they don't seem to have actually gone serious

[ember coyote]

closeted

[formal bridge]

with the line of how much it meant to him vs to aledar

[whole river]

Have you ever told you homie in a heterosexual manner that in another life you and him have a happy ending

Specifically the term we

[paper wyvern]

I don't think it's closeted I think it's more like it never had a chance to get that far

[whole river]

Idk I feel like the only way it would be more obvious is if Orphion popped into the screen and went “Tasim is a homosexual”

[formal bridge]

Again, could be bi

But yeah I think it's mostly just Tasim being a very shy kind of person

[paper wyvern]

Like if taism hasn't run off they would have been together assuming aledar reciprocated

[whole river]

Until I see him paying attention to girls, then I don’t really see the bi angle

[formal bridge]

I just say it for the sake of it

[paper wyvern]

But because they weren't really spending time together nothing actually came out of it

[formal bridge]

no bi erasure and all that

I personally headcanon aledar as bi and tasim as gay

[whole river]

Nah

We have bi characters anyway no need to try to shove a very obvious gay man into it

[formal bridge]

I mean

is there evidence that he doesn't like women then?

[warm flicker]

realm beast propaganda, clearly tasim and aledar are roommates

[formal bridge]

if you're so sure he doesn't

I don't mind people calling him gay, as I said I think he is in my own headcanon

[whole river]

The burden of proof would rely on you to explain which women he would be interested in

I can’t prove he doesn’t like women because 99% of his story is with Aledar in which he has feelings for this one man lol

There’s very few interactions of tasim and a girl and all of them are cordial

[ember coyote]

how old do you guys think the player is

[slim belfry]

we were roommates with Tasim in QR but at what cost 😔

[ember coyote]

i remember in forbidden quest there was dialogue where another prisoner said we were young

[whole river]

The throuple that could’ve won it all

[whole river]

I’d say in his 20s-30s

[paper wyvern]

The player probably looks late20s

[whole river]

Old enough to drink so not the anime protagonist age

[whole river]

Queen’s recruit dialogue if it was good /s

[ember coyote]

bruhhhh

[ember coyote]

true

[regal spire]

No wastelands and no Fruma epilogue make lore_discussion go crazy

[slim belfry]

scenario so powerful that Aledar's soul comes back together and kills the dern beast

[full bough]

Wynncraft is WOEK

[whole river]

Mel is lowkey funny wish we had more quests with the recruits

[slim belfry]

we might in the future

[whole river]

Can’t wait to tell Picard we put Majin on a t-shirt

[warm flicker]

give picard a "I ❤️ Timasca City" t-shirt

[regal spire]

I went to Fruma, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt

[whole river]

It’s good that the player is heroic by nature and he didn’t loot the hell out of the palace now that I’m thinking about it

Pre-Fruma player would’ve taken the loot

[ember coyote]

what do u guys think might be in the wastelands

gravity monolith prison for sure

[whole river]

Hoping for more of those mythic alters

Think we got architect and restitution rn

[regal spire]

Revolution next fo sho

[ember coyote]

btw

do any of u guys happen to know where to find world event ost

[low ether]

Might be in the lootrun ost video I think

Sounds similar but I barely paid attention

[ember coyote]

ok imma check

[cedar kernel]

The cutscene for the fruman tour only goes through Xima, Auburn, and Highlands

It also implies that you take the dam elevator to get up

[whole river]

Imagine they make the alter appear if you kill the queen with revolution

Themes and such

[cedar kernel]

Thereby skipping the other two districts that are seen as “lesser” in a sense

[ember coyote]

i think youre right

ty

[whole river]

It’s honestly kinda insane how long the canopy has held out against the Crown pre player

[low ether]

Something something they have their ways
and before Caetal disappeared, uhhh. dude was an Owl AND a Sovereign, aint no way they would get decimated at that point
once Gikyo entered the picture theyyy probably had some additional casualties ngl

[cedar kernel]

Did caetal rebel?

[low ether]

Not much is given on him, so either he rebelled and got put six feet under for it, or my personal thought, this mf got captured, is still alive because of a Sovereign's passive immortality, but is trapped within Deraj, courtesy of Oru
for what reason, I did not think that far ahead

[whole river]

👀

[low ether]

It's mostly fragmented thoughts that popped up since I saw that Caetal had portraits, even if it's two of them

[whole river]

I want a plot twist prisoner in there

So that would be kinda cool

[low ether]

actually wait no it's because he does have two portraits that it made me think that

One's used as the literal portrait in the university, but he has a speaking sprite

which I first thought as a surprised sprite but uh. guess it isnt lmao

The wiki does say his status is dead, but uh
but what if he isnt, he's just locked up in Deraj and hasn't been killed off

And his initial disappearance felt like a MIA, vocally turned KIA

[vestal rivet]

oh dang really?
this is my first time hearing of this

wonder why they would leave him alive, if he is still alive

[low ether]

Leverage, threats or punishment if we take the passive immortality into account

I'm willing to lean into punishment since he was the orator for the first wickerman 'n all that

[vestal rivet]

true
it's implied that Soosu was going to see some pretty nasty stuff if Her Majesty wasn't toppled in the end

[low ether]

Ooohhh fuck, right, forgot about that
Punishment by not removing Her blessing and having her golems torn apart, and who knows what else would have happened

Oh thats a fucked thought, having her own matter be manipulated violently
iirc her trying to manipulate the blessing not only didnt work, but hurt like hell

[slim belfry]

the immortality can also be a punishment

[low ether]

^Yeah you'd just have to avoid actually killing her if it works as a passive thing

Hurt, but dont fatally wound

[stray karma]

Prison cell instructions imply she would have spent a few hundreds years there

[slim belfry]

whoops I meant forced life longevity not resilience

[low ether]

Hitting her with wellspring water to make sure she keeps living, oh thats effed

[vestal rivet]

that's a dif incident
she got especially upset one day and tried to use her power on herself, which we know was agonizing and completely destroyed her hands based on her diary in her hidden room in her workshop
her metal gauntlet things are her hand replacements, she uses a mix of those and her golems to compensate for the fact her original hands may as well gone through a meat grinder

[low ether]

gooooodddd damn I need to eventually read through these things again, refresh my memory outside of like. the two quest tabs I have open for reference..

[slim belfry]

do we actually know this to be the case about her hands

[vestal rivet]

the gauntlets are a guess, but the hand thing is confirmed in-game in the hidden bedroom in her workshop

I mean
we know her hands were wrecked
and now she has big metal gauntlet hands
2 and 2 methinks

[low ether]

On the one hand the gauntlet hands could also help with precision when using the powers from her blessing
on the other cant exactly touch things and feel them anymore
spitballing, dont mind me

[vestal rivet]

that and we see her telling Flowers to hold something still for her, I don't see why she wouldn't give other golems similar orders to help her

[slim belfry]

I don't remember that being mentioned

not even the word hands

[low ether]

I can check

[slim belfry]

but I do remember the marks itself she tried to basically rip off

[vestal rivet]

I imagine that it's hard to recreate let alone surpass the precision you would get with having touch receptors and maintenance-free joints with metal, even with her blessings and ingenuity

[slim belfry]

possibly a lot more than that

she said that the marks still remain

which ow I do not wanna imagine how that went down

[vestal rivet]

read her diary in her room
idk if it's accessible after you've already done the quest but you can check

[low ether]

Mightve been the loose notes, but I found the attempt on her mark

Tried to use my blessing on myself. Grab at the flesh and blood poisoned by the mark, and twist is into anything, anything other than what it is now.
Agony. Like the pain from receiving the blessing in the first place, but multiplied tenfold. A hundred times. A million screaming signals from nerves that were no longer real...
When I came to, the mark was still there. As if nothing had ever happened. Flowers had a cubic meter chunk of soil missing from his body. Easy to repair, but...
... Never do that again.

No mentions of the gauntlets so far, or what likely happened to her hands either

[vestal rivet]

so both then
tried to remove the mark by trying to fing earthbend her own hands

[low ether]

Both if the mark is on her hands, yeah
and those marks tend to be easy to spot if not covered

[vestal rivet]

well
we don't see her mark do we?

unless it's stenciled on the gauntlet

[low ether]

Nnnope, one of the few sovereigns whose marks are hidden

[vestal rivet]

and she said the nerves were destroyed, sounds a little irreversible to me

[low ether]

Or at least hidden from immediate sight, like covered up and such

[vestal rivet]

I'm still leaning on the idea it was on her hand or forearm or something
and in an attempt to remove it with her powers she turned her hands into a bloody mangled mess of body horror

[slim belfry]

her marks are on her face

BUT

like the other sovereigns that's only what's visible because it flows everywhere in them

she probably started there then went out

[low ether]

imma be honest I've never been able to figure out if the two stripes are part of her mark, or is the main mark itself

Like going off Zhiraok, Majin and Caetal, Zhiraok especially since he's the youngest before Tasim, those marks dont tend to be small bits by default

If her mark is just the two stripes though, it feels weird that they'd be so...idk, small?

[slim belfry]

it's likely much more spread out yeah

[slender copper]

We're able to see their marks?

[low ether]

Yep! Zhiraok, right arm
Majin, chest
Caetal, neck

Lil bit lower than the neck but it's still close to it

[slender copper]

Wait that star pattern and the weird red rings are the mark??? I thought it HAD to look like Anathema's symbol, not just having a red color-

[low ether]

Actually shit idk if you can see it on Caetal's player model, but their portrait in the library has his mark on his neck

[low ether]

Star..pattern? if you mean Majin it's the uhhh
fffucking a i need to use phone for this brb

[slender copper]

...doesn't it look like a shining star? And yes I am talking about Majin.

Or is it an eye...

[low ether]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/images/SovereignMajinPortraitNeutral.png?df8d40=&format=original The thing on the chest? Yeah thats his mark

[slender copper]

Damn, I can't tell if it's even either of the two options I gave 💀

[low ether]

No idea if it has symbolism with its design tho
yes this does mean he strikes himself on the blessing twice in his fight

I mean if it's a star-like mark then fair enough
no idea what that would make of Zhiraok's being on his arm tho

and that one's only visible cause of the model

[exotic bough]

id imagine smth like a watch

[low ether]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Sovereign_Caetal#/media/File:SovereignCaetal.png It's the portrait in the university

it looks like a torture cage 💀

Blessing of voice yet the mark looks like a restraint/torture device smh my smh

wWWWHEN DID FIRST WICKERS SPARK GET ITS DIALOGUE--

I swear to god if it was within the past 3 days im gonna be so upset

21st are we fr, I could have used that way sooner for f's sake, I needed more Gikyo dialogue to go off of

[exotic bough]

yay procrastination

[low ether]

not even that, trying to not character assassinate for literature purposes

[exotic bough]

oh i thought you were talking abt 1st wickers sparks dialogue on the wiki page appearing on the 21st

[low ether]

And uhhh
limited dialogue in one quest kinda makes filling in the accuracy blanks a pain!
and yes it's that, just a bit irked that it's after im done with Gik's custom dialogue on this word file

timing being bad and whatnot
Meh, guess it can work for revisions

I just realized I cant recall which other Sovereign had a visible mark
only thing I vaguely remember is it being a forehead mark

[exotic bough]

selium

[low ether]

O, ty ty, so thats at least four with a mark that isnt covered up, five if we count the stripes on Soosu's face as part of it

[slim belfry]

I have a theory that gikyo's is on their back

[low ether]

All ears!

[slim belfry]

well that's it I have no backing to it

[low ether]

Oh, aww, fair enough tbh, simple one sentence theories are good to gnaw into as well

[mossy widget]

wait guys i can use my gay image now

ignore that im late

[vestal rivet]

Linton's question is unrelated and everything else could still be close friend stuff

I see how it's possible though

[regal spire]

I still think it’s more tragic and interesting for it to be a one sided romantic attraction

[cedar kernel]

would aledar have taken tasim as a fifth if he appeared in the middle of the wynn part of ajb or kicked out the player

[regal spire]

Probably a fifth

It was a dumb idea to only bring 4 anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim is the fourth that Aledar invite,

And idk

He probably realize how dangerous the expendition is

So he decide to just leave immediately after realizing player joined

[hybrid gazelle]

I think ct comfirm that linton is not flirting and he just detecting gay energy from Tasim

Which tbh should have guess consider two of them keep mentioning each other

[tough pond]

has anyone translated the Tahkashtel on the stela and the other secret discovery

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

Well just stela

Stela just the same text as the English

[tough pond]

oh is it

[vestal rivet]

people sometimes call it the Rosetta Stone

because well

it's an equivalent to it

[mystic fulcrum]

Tasim is gay?

[hybrid gazelle]

Grass is green

[tough pond]

so has anyone managed to translate the rest of the tahkashtel

[mystic fulcrum]

It's impossible to translate that

[tough pond]

or is it just at the transcription stage

[tough pond]

unfortunate 😔

[vestal rivet]

I recommend checking the Old Fruman Language thread, it has a lot of resources for that kind of stuff
if there's a full translation phrase by phrase then it'll be pinned there

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1489836179665981621

[vestal rivet]

???

[tough pond]

oh neat

[mystic fulcrum]

You just translate an unknown language to another unknown ond

[vestal rivet]

literally already translated to english on the same stone its written on

unless you don't mean that stela

[mystic fulcrum]

I am talking about the ancient scroll and other stuff

[vestal rivet]

oh
well still not impossible to translate anyways

[mystic fulcrum]

In other fruma discoveries

[vestal rivet]

sure, we'll find words we don't know the meaning of, but we still often get context from the words that are known

[cedar kernel]

A second one exists ofc

Everyone

Forgets

About

It

Or more likely people really don’t think they’ll put something in the west mountains of the roughworks

[limber swan]

I wonder if Dern is gonna have a similar effect to the mistwoods

but the creatures can jump at you ay any second

[zinc quarry]

i hope not mistwoods is agony to try to quest in

[warm adder]

i just turned off fog and it looks fine lo

[regal spire]

Dern is going to be a fucking hellscape

[frozen turtle]

The fog is a cool effect, the player just needs a bigger sight radius

[quartz mist]

...what

genuinely what.

This was directly after Linton learned Aledar and Tasim knew each other.

After Mel and Lanu finally saw that guy that Aledar kept talking about, to paraphrase.

Like, with all due respect? How the hell could it be unrelated.

I was sitting like this after seeing that message for like a solid three minutes

how in-denial are you my dude

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean selvut, Linton might be just curious to Tasim homosexality randomly

dont you ever just ask random guy you met about his attraction to men

smh

[solid ibex]

do you like men

[split night]

i do-ish, though this answer would be biased cuz i'm a woman

[split night]

"They are just friends" type historians

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

do you like men

[low ether]

aaand thats what i get for abstaining on a "and they were roommates" response, it got done first

[quartz mist]

"Sunday Friend"-ass

[weary sigil]

"While Tasim never took a woman lover, he was quite good friends with a man named Aledar. They were roommates for 50 years and even shared a bed."-ass comment

[frozen turtle]

I just think Tasim had a deep appreciation and care for Aledar in a platonic way, like best friends. Linton asked “do you like guys” as in do you enjoy being friends with guys which he does

[dim plover]

When I first saw Linton's message I legitimately 100% thought that he was just hitting on him

It wasn't until like two months later when I saw this and had the biggest shock in my life

Maybe I'm just stupid or whatever but I didn't for a second think that Tasim and Aledar had anything between them lmao

[mossy widget]

YALL

[warm adder]

:minionminionlaughing:

[slim belfry]

Tasim in overture carried gigantic "HOW DARE YOU TAKE HIM AWAY FROM
ME" energy

[quartz mist]

okay there's a difference between not noticing(especially given the gap between when you see Tasim again) and just looking at a dog on the couch and saying there's no animals in the house

[hybrid gazelle]

do you platonically like guys? - Linton
Fruma writing if it was actually good

[slim belfry]

LOL

[quartz mist]

the former is you, and that's fine. the latter is what sunsassin did

[mossy widget]

[drifting aurora]

someday ...

[mossy widget]

shoudl have signed off the letter as rest well my platonic great friend

[hybrid gazelle]

Mel,,,

[slim belfry]

theoretical flashback of tasim and aledar making out and people will say they're good friends

[golden flicker]

achilles and patroclus ahh

[dim plover]

I think it didn’t help that I actually saw Linton’s dialogue about the guard guy when he was in his Fruma bedroom and then only saw the Tasim interaction in a later playthrough

So I already had the pre-knowledge of “Linton likes guys”

[quartz mist]

YEAH THATS UNDERSTANDABLE

[dim plover]

So when I saw the Tasim dialogue I immediately thought of him seeing if he had a chance with Tasim

[quartz mist]

that's just you having missed things

[dim plover]

I sure missed a whole lot then lmao

I played through the entire questline and still didn’t clock Tasim

[quartz mist]

but sunsassin had like, the 95 Theses stapled to his face and still went like "no thats just coincidence"

[dim plover]

I was like “Why on earth is Tasim this angry about us not telling him about Aledar how close were they”

Without actually even considering that they might have been together

Not even once

I ship like every fictional character in existence I should be better than this

I’m losing my touch man

[hybrid gazelle]

the difference between how Tasim see his relationship with the palyer and Aledar is kinda

very very difference

this is vice versa to Aledar too

remidner Aledari s the one who invite Tasim to expendition

not even the player

just Tasim

[dim plover]

I’m starting to feel like a Historian with how many times I remember going “wow they must be really close friends” to every single piece of dialogue in this image when I saw them while playing

[hybrid gazelle]

you are hamster third wheeling this shit I will be real

[quartz mist]

failing a spot check is different from getting a dissertation from someone with a phd and going "nah youre wrong"

[drifting aurora]

i really oughta remove the "friend" in his letter. i think that is what he would actually write but i also think its giving people the wrong impression

[dim plover]

He simply got friendzoned

Sadge

:(

[whole river]

I mean I can’t believe people actually took the friend thing literally

[drifting aurora]

mmm

[hybrid gazelle]

it's same as Gikyo proniun

Gikyo refer their title as it/its once

and some people take it literally and think their pronoun is it/its

[whole river]

We need more gay media for this reason the friend thing is like a classic staple

[drifting aurora]

i want to add a character that actually uses it/its pronouns

i like them

[dim plover]

I mean, to be fair the person saying it compared to other people referring to them takes higher priority I feel like

[frozen turtle]

Doesn’t saphanis use that

Tho if y mean a human then yea

[dim plover]

I actually wanted to do this as well for some other non-Wynncraft thing but I sort of hesitated because it felt kinda demeaning/ dehumanizing

[drifting aurora]

there's something there about gikyo dehumanizing themself

[frozen turtle]

Or well not a realm beast

[drifting aurora]

shrug

[quartz mist]

I could be misremembering, but far as I'm aware Saphanis hasn't been referred to with pronouns except as like, a force of nature rather than a person

[hybrid gazelle]

it actually depressing how Giyko as character is so in deep with the idea they are nothing but a tool for the crown that evne their blessing is just extension of their own changeling ability

[quartz mist]

so their pronouns wouldn't actually be known yet

[hybrid gazelle]

so they feel shallow because they see themselves as shallow

you cant even try to connect how Gikyo's blessing emphassis their characterl ike Majin or Zhiraok

because Gikyo blessing is literally just extension of their changeling ability and nothing more

[dim plover]

I need to learn the dark arts and possess Salted for 5 seconds to officially make DB canonically use female pronouns (If they don’t already)

Does anyone have access to a necronomicon? Willing to pay 5-10 stx of LE

12stx, even, if I get desperate

[drifting aurora]

wow you want another realm beast using she/her pronouns? greedy, much? /s

[low ether]

I mean
If you really wanna say fuck it, they can just go with any and all pronouns, with a high preference for they/them, maybe it/it's on the side

[dim plover]

The Twilight Beast will use male pronouns

To sort of balance it out

[frozen turtle]

I mean the dialogue was changed to describing saphanis as they to “it”

They might’ve been referring to the force of darkness tho

[dim plover]

Also yeah I legit forgot queen exits

Damn I guess we do have a female Realm Beast now

Whatever I still want my female DB

[hybrid gazelle]

I kinda want Saphanis to stay as it/its

[brittle prism]

I guess you can say you only want one mr. beast??

???!!

!!

[dim plover]

Regardless of what DB is I will immediately ship them with Orphion

I’m making their model the moment it’s revealed in-game and doing deranged things with both of them

[chilly thorn]

orphion goes by any pronouns, anathema goes by she/her, saphanis goes by it/its #staywoke

[dim plover]

Like sitting outside a coffee shop drinking at a table

[drifting aurora]

waow......

[dim plover]

Or like, in a bedroom talking about anime

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion having different prounoun depending on which elves culture would be epic ngl

[low ether]

the frick, Orphion going by any is a new one, especially since even the dialogue calls Orph by He

[hybrid gazelle]

I would love that

[dim plover]

Anathema can’t stay woke she’s asleep

(Permanently)

[chilly thorn]

fuckkk... i should've told her before the boss fight

[hybrid gazelle]

NOTICE HOW GAY COUPLE IN FRUMA GOT KICK OUT WHILE THE YURI STAY

[chilly thorn]

hits head repeatedly aww stupid stupid stupid

[dim plover]

Why did we even kill Anathema

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma Yuri Theory

[dim plover]

I’m sure the rift wasn’t causing that much damage

[chilly thorn]

the yuri didn't stay syndra and elise are dead yo...

[drifting aurora]

sure.........

[hybrid gazelle]

They could just send Elise out into Wynn for all they care

but they did not

imply there are BIAS against yaoi in Fruma

[dim plover]

Btw how did we hurt Anathema enough to not kill her immediately yet still succumb to death minutes later

We must be very precise

[chilly thorn]

or she's just very tough

[low ether]

Physical, no
mental because of the uncertainty though....

[formal bridge]

I mean most dying people take longer to perish than you think

[low ether]

death by a thousand cuts probably

[formal bridge]

Unless you crush the brain or heart entirely you'll be bleeding for a decent while

[dim plover]

This doesn’t apply to people who die via combat

[drifting aurora]

there is a reason for it (insert gif here)

[chilly thorn]

i can imagine her death being from exhaustion or something, plus people take like forEver to actually die irl. kinda scary haha

[formal bridge]

No, it does

You can live for surprisingly long with a spear in your stomach

[dim plover]

Elise will be too powerful outside of Fruma

[formal bridge]

I assume the same goes even moreso with realm beasts

[chilly thorn]

sometimes people get shot in the head and can kinda function before everything shuts off. the body is very persistent lol

[dim plover]

Give her like a big hammer or something

I don’t know why it just feels right

[chilly thorn]

ohhhhh that explains everything

[formal bridge]

Just bled out in front of us for a few minutes while we tried to pour a heaking potion on her head

[dim plover]

Who in Fruma who we haven’t already killed is most likely to be the Shadow Crystal boss

[hybrid gazelle]

Elise,,,

I seen a really good fanart for Syndra and Elise

I still thinking about it

[drifting aurora]

ok but seriously. consider who elise is being kept around for, and for what reason that might be

[chilly thorn]

it's like in undertale where we pour water on undyne's head but it fails instead

[formal bridge]

Oru, duh

[chilly thorn]

for sure it's to lure out syndra right

[hybrid gazelle]

bargain chip against Syndra

[drifting aurora]

zeph. he has a darkness inside him

[hybrid gazelle]

that all I can think of

[dim plover]

The player is an idiot the potion is meant to be taken orally

[low ether]

and trauma!

[dim plover]

Stupid ass player

[drifting aurora]

i think hyhet is kind of a shadow crystal boss if you think about it

[formal bridge]

Its all the head trauma we have

[chilly thorn]

it has to be some super secret enemy... old man azael...

[dim plover]

I’m still surprised that he’s meant to be fought post-Apotheosis

Post raid, even, chronologically-wise

[drifting aurora]

hyhet? why?

[dim plover]

Idk that’s what I’ve been told

I wasn’t aware of that

[drifting aurora]

he's post-apotheosis because he goes insane looking into the rift

like the apotheosis quest req is there for a reason

[low ether]

aaaand theres the mental damage that the rift sure as hell was bound to cause

[dim plover]

Yeah I didn’t know I thought he just gone mad from years of growing more and more distrustful of the Queen

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah Hyhet boss fight only possible after Apotheosis

cause it make 0 reason

[drifting aurora]

i think its less the rift itself and more the, uh

[formal bridge]

I mean seeing said queen turn into giant moff probably didn't help

[hybrid gazelle]

he literally was on newpaper

[low ether]

could be that, with the rift being the straw that broke the camel's back

[dim plover]

I only found out about this because the boss altar couldn’t activate and I asked around here

[drifting aurora]

shattering of his preconceptions of the queen as a god

[dim plover]

The game doesn’t tell you the quest requirement

[drifting aurora]

isnt it listed in the content book

the req

[dim plover]

Oh is it

[drifting aurora]

ig the altar should probably say it too

[dim plover]

I didn’t see the content book

[hybrid gazelle]

to be fair if my queen turn into giant moth, I would question everything too

[chilly thorn]

i'm just wondering, did he purposefully blind himself or is that a side-effect of the rift

[formal bridge]

Bro saw a random dude from wynn show up and kick the queen and two sovereigns' asses

And then the queen turned into a moff

[hybrid gazelle]

the light house

[dim plover]

I have no idea where this is

[drifting aurora]

Lighthouse

[hybrid gazelle]

he got blasted by Light House

[dim plover]

Oh that makes sense

Wait why tho

[hybrid gazelle]

Hyhet feel like a revisit Skien LOL

cause he geniunely a fucking beast

for a guy

[hybrid gazelle]

he preaching abot how the queen is wrong

[formal bridge]

Hyhet is well written skien

[hybrid gazelle]

and other soldiers think he gone insane

so they just blasted him

[dim plover]

Oh

[drifting aurora]

and yet he lived

good for him

[chilly thorn]

ohh, i see

[dim plover]

Was he the only one who saw the moth

[formal bridge]

He realizes the queen was wrong cause she turned into a moth

If she turned into butterfly he'd be chill

[hybrid gazelle]

I think he is the ONLY ONE who draw connection between Anathema and the queen

[formal bridge]

Cause all the aesthetics were butterfly, not moth

[hybrid gazelle]

or something IDK

[dim plover]

Oh ok

[hybrid gazelle]

depend on how you interpet it

[dim plover]

If the blast didn’t kill him why didn’t they shoot him again

[formal bridge]

He's also high ranked so he was probably closer by to see what was going down

[chilly thorn]

trueeeee

[hybrid gazelle]

in my intereptation I think he was the one who trying to tell everyone that the moth and the queen are one and the same

which is ofc that

sound fucking insane

so they blasted him

[chilly thorn]

he said "fuckkkk this province was so thematically tied together why'd she have to be a mothhhh" and all the other soldiers went "?"

[formal bridge]

Probably a combination of him overhearing some conversations with two over the years and then a giant moth with the queen's eye colors showed up

[hybrid gazelle]

The queen definitely on the spectrum

cause no way she is like

this hyperfixated on butterfly

and moth

SHE HAS

A FUCKING LIGHT HOUSE

ON HER CITADEL

she so fucking commit to the bit

[dim plover]

Do we know why his head just exploded at the end of the fight

[chilly thorn]

who in fruma isn't on the Big S

[formal bridge]

Two finding the queen just hugging the light house spotlight every night

[chilly thorn]

he got hit hard enough it's like shonen anime rules

[formal bridge]

Double tapped by the lighthouse, duh /s

[dim plover]

I mean, it can’t be the lighthouse again, we’re in an enclosed room

[chilly thorn]

you get hit hard in the stomach, you throw up blood. u get hit hard enough, ur head explodes

[formal bridge]

They shot him so hard it passed through the wall

Also it's the inly unarmored part of the body

Its like how 70% of heat escapes out your head

With gendarme, 70% of blood does

[dim plover]

Also why does his body float when he dies

[hybrid gazelle]

uhhh

[dim plover]

The floating is part of the actual model

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly have 0 idea

[formal bridge]

He ingests helium every day

[hybrid gazelle]

Light house

[formal bridge]

Its part of the workout routine

[hybrid gazelle]

he probably able to like withstand it for so long

but then after the end of the fight, it probably fianlly caught up

and blow up

[dim plover]

It’s still kinda wild how he’s technically like, the final Fruma boss chronologically

[chilly thorn]

yeah exactly

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the queen would fucking gaming on city builder simulation

[dim plover]

It can’t be before the raid because story-wise the player has to deal with the rift ASAP

[formal bridge]

To be fair epilogue isnt out yet

[chilly thorn]

i consider him more of a miniboss over anything tbh, it would've been cool if he was a superboss tho hahaha

[hybrid gazelle]

She be playing the sim city

[formal bridge]

We'll probably fight oru

[dim plover]

Do we know if the epilogue contains fights?

[formal bridge]

I dont see why it wouldnt?

[dim plover]

I thought it’s just talking with the NPCs

Are we getting another quest?

[formal bridge]

Eventually

[dim plover]

Oh

[formal bridge]

The beta teased the butterfly effect after apotheosis

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I would put him somewhere before the queen if Fruma has a boss rush

[formal bridge]

So theres at minimum 1 more quest

[drifting aurora]

yea

[dim plover]

I thought the butterfly effect would be like, the first quest of the next storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

what,,,

[drifting aurora]

epilogue's gonna be a whole thing

[dim plover]

Like the realm storyline or whatever

[formal bridge]

Nah its epilogue

[chilly thorn]

we're getting a whole subsection of fruma added so i sure hope so haha

[dim plover]

Dern

[dim plover]

Damn

The raid felt like a finale tbh

[drifting aurora]

we might do some npc interactions before we get epilogue out but thats up in the air still

[low ether]

please please please please plea--

[dim plover]

I didn’t know the epilogue would still have actual major events

And stakes

[chilly thorn]

that's why it's an epilogue haha

[dim plover]

Or like, a climax

[formal bridge]

I mean I hooe we'd get an epilogue regardless of if fruma was the end of the story

[hybrid gazelle]

epliogue will be

epliogue

[drifting aurora]

well, it is. but we're still gonna do an epilogue to deal with actual fruma province consequences

[formal bridge]

Just for narrative satisfaction lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

like the only climax probably gonna be hint toward dern story

but I dont think climax should be in epliogue 😭😭

[formal bridge]

Compared to every other region which just ends right at the dungeon or raid

And we never see anything after

[hybrid gazelle]

WYNN IS SO FUCKED

[drifting aurora]

we have some loose ends to tie up in fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

I think some people are not aware

how fucked up Wynn is

[chilly thorn]

is it gonna be like the little tasim cutscene post WTP ?

[hybrid gazelle]

like

THERE IS NO FRUMA RECRUITS

[drifting aurora]

it'll be at least a quest

[hybrid gazelle]

unless Anathema being gone calm down corruption

Wynn is FUCKED

[chilly thorn]

sorry, i worded it weirdly, will it have more little moments like that outta quests ?

[formal bridge]

I doubt corruption will get worse

[dim plover]

Man I’m about to start playing the Fruma update I can’t wait to see where the whole thing about removing recruits’ memories go I wonder if we’ll get ours back

[drifting aurora]

^

[formal bridge]

The bigger question is what will the other realm beasts do

[hybrid gazelle]

it really does not matter because it will be worse for Wynn because there no fruma recurits

they source of replenishment is gone

[formal bridge]

I mean

[hybrid gazelle]

now they only relying on themselves for soldiers

[dim plover]

They’ll be fine

[chilly thorn]

anathema was never able to control corruption iirc, considering corruption is purely chaos

[formal bridge]

Now we have established ties to fruma itseld

[hybrid gazelle]

whcih is bad cause CORRUPTION

[chilly thorn]

fiyahhh

[hybrid gazelle]

it gonna take years for Fruma to reform

and stable enough to send out soldiers again

[formal bridge]

I assume zhiraok who probably will take over will still help however he can lmao

[chilly thorn]

i look forward to the 20 minute long dialogue chain of just speaking to rex ^_^

[formal bridge]

Rather than keeping all the soldiers inside just to suppress the populace

[drifting aurora]

TRUE

[low ether]

unironically same

[drifting aurora]

i had ideas for a rex interaction already

[hybrid gazelle]

Something tell me that Rex is your favorite fruma character,,

[dim plover]

Via plot armor and gameplay we’re either somehow fixing the War of the Realms by the same year of 1000 AP (So like, within a few in-universe weeks) or the entire world just goes down the drain

Either way the loss of the recruitment program won’t matter

[chilly thorn]

let's beat metal gear solid 4's world record of longest cutscene in a game

[formal bridge]

A couple wings is better than occasional randos that they sent out before out of anathema's weird experiment

[hybrid gazelle]

Caid's boat somehow find its way to Fruma nad just go "Hey player! I finally got it unstuck"

[chilly thorn]

oh man

[low ether]

Anything for character development and player bonding, positively or negatively

[chilly thorn]

oh man oh man

foams at mouth grgrggrhghrggh

[drifting aurora]

but can rex beat the 70 dialogue long cutscene in ensemble

[hybrid gazelle]

this imply the wing and gendarme still intact

and not needed to be cull due to their loyalty to the crown

[formal bridge]

Can't wait for the 300 message long rex interaction

[chilly thorn]

she can and she will #itrustmygoat

[drifting aurora]

or the like.... 120 lines of dialogue in apotheosis' big cutscene

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder that FRUMA

[formal bridge]

I mean itll be messy, yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

IS A dictator empire that relying on propoganda and indoctrination

in order to instill loyalty

[drifting aurora]

god fruma quests have so much dialogue.

[chilly thorn]

will epilogue have the rumoured dating sim ?

[hybrid gazelle]

so those wings and gendarmes probably have indoctrination drill into their brain to actually give a shit about the new ldearship

[drifting aurora]

i could even say maybe too much for my own sanity but all of it felt necessary

[formal bridge]

I mean if we're reallt worried about that

[hybrid gazelle]

and some constables gotta go

[formal bridge]

Then two has control over the inquisitors

[hybrid gazelle]

I love Harvin and Maurey but they actually are bad cops

[stray karma]

Where are all those who promised to help during Wartorn Palace?

[formal bridge]

She can probably help

[drifting aurora]

ya

[dim plover]

We’re about to die to Anathema in the battle then suddenly out of nowhere Caid’s ship launches itself up onto the spire platform and crashes into her, saving us.

“Hey, <playername>! Finally got this thing out of the river! You need a hand?”

Suddenly him and all the Wynn/Gavel NPCs from Queen’s Recruit jump out of the ship and we finally understand why that quest included all of them

[low ether]

Gives people more to chew on
if they even read it

[hybrid gazelle]

inqusitors are spies, I dont think they have heavy tie to politic of WYnn

Wing I can see some of them being intact

[dim plover]

We then beat Anathema up

[low ether]

dibs on Rurie you cant stop me

[hybrid gazelle]

but they direftly work under Majin

[chilly thorn]

the thing is, is the opinion of the remaining sovereigns positive enough to lead those soldiers ? or will they lead like a coup d'etat

[hybrid gazelle]

so it hard to say

[formal bridge]

Plus the thing is

[hybrid gazelle]

some of the wing I can see but like all wings are directly serve under Majin

[dim plover]

We revive the queen just to ask her out

[formal bridge]

Whose going to know that like, Zhiraok betrayed the queen for instance

[chilly thorn]

awetum !!!!! clicks my heels

[hybrid gazelle]

while Gendarmes are literally wtihin the palace so they would been more influence by the queen

ALSO

have you seen lancers???

[chilly thorn]

majin's dead

[formal bridge]

Most of that stuff happened out on the dam which not maby were paying attention to then a giant moth appeared

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I know but that piece of shit probably let his shit on them

[formal bridge]

They can probably spin it that the evil giant moth killed the quern

[drifting aurora]

ok but the real question: if you had to choose, queen or anathema

[stray karma]

Majin has disappeared
Probably dead

[chilly thorn]

i mean like, do people like zhiraok, soosu, and tasim enough to be like "okay we'll listen to you"

[dim plover]

Ask the people that are into her idk

[low ether]

"Probably"

[hybrid gazelle]

I can hardly see the elite soldiers of the queen would turn a new leaves

[stray karma]

Anathema in my vivarium

[hybrid gazelle]

regional guards and constables I can see

[formal bridge]

I wonder what the changelings will get up to mainly

[hybrid gazelle]

50% of the wing i can see yeah

[drifting aurora]

Hmmm

[formal bridge]

Considering most of them don't really seem the most well directed and now their leader is dead

[chilly thorn]

not to mention that the public turned around after killing majin, so following that will they lump zhiraok and soosu with everyone else ?

[dim plover]

One of the NPCs is now a changeling

[chilly thorn]

not mentioning two coz she's kinda down low

[dim plover]

Sui is a changeling she’s actually dead

[chilly thorn]

lari... grrrr

[drifting aurora]

Two is um. guys i dont think she's sticking around

[formal bridge]

I wouldn't be surprised if theoretically Azael took over Fort Hegea and reformed it

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I think that more of Majin never properly manage Highland that people of highland give a shit compare to the Wing who Majin would be directly aboe them

but I can see what you talking about

still no idea on the gendarme tho

[formal bridge]

Yeah Two is probably going to walk into a mirror and do spooky stuff elsewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably killing themselves once they realize they failed at their job

tbh

[dim plover]

I can’t believe she was killed during the Anathema fight

[hybrid gazelle]

if we see what lancers do

[chilly thorn]

epilogue where the remaining soldiers lead a coup d'etat on king zhiraok

[hybrid gazelle]

that not even a joke

gendarmes literally kill themselves

[drifting aurora]

tragic

[stray karma]

Two is the only one garanteed to win and just observes

[dim plover]

Not from Anathema herself, she just sensed Anathema dying and gave up and crumpled to the ground

[hybrid gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041788896540897320/1489214381152669827/SovDead-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[formal bridge]

Unironically Zhiraok is in an excellent position to take over lmao

He was already running half the country already

He's from the highlands even if his family isnt the most popular

[chilly thorn]

big rock fell on her noggin when we weren't looking

[hybrid gazelle]

Zhiraok probably will be leader of Aburn

Either that or he move to Highland but IDK it just

it just hard to tell

[formal bridge]

And mistwoods wouldn't like anyoen else anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

but what I feel lik going to happen

[stray karma]

Do you mean Zhiraok has a good angle to dominate the sequence?

[hybrid gazelle]

if each district will have representation

they will form the council

[formal bridge]

The real question is

Will tasim stay there

And if so, what role does he get

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Fruma would be too truamatize by having one single person hold power

[drifting aurora]

Lol